Match Day 17 - CBus @ TFC Wednesday June 29 7:38pm - I'm Living...

[OgtheDim]

For the Light


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdc_6YvJfFo


Another night to win a trophy....:smilewinkgrin:

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Have at It People

[Canary10]

Is Cucho available for this, or is he in the same boat as Insigne?

[Smokecell]

Is Cucho available for this, or is he in the same boat as Insigne?

Same boat.

Let's see if the boys can keep the momentum going. The return to form of Priso is huge IMO.

[Auzzy]

Same boat.

Let's see if the boys can keep the momentum going. The return to form of Priso is huge IMO.

And Oso back.

Plus many of the folks that weren't hustling much, especially the young guys that should have lots of stamina, are suddenly hustling like crazy. Three or four players incoming, and lots of competition for spots in the line-up, surely help to light the fire under people.

[jloome]

Hey… wait a second… where did all those guys go: You know, they all showed up after the NYRB game to once again remind us that everything about MLSE and TFC is shit? And here we are, two games later, and nowhere in sight (or site).

Hmmm….

[Ultra & Proud]

Hey… wait a second… where did all those guys go: You know, they all showed up after the NYRB game to once again remind us that everything about MLSE and TFC is shit? And here we are, two games later, and nowhere in sight (or site).

Hmmm….
They'll be back in full swing the next time we drop points.

[leedsandTFC]

columbus on a very mediocre run and have key players out.

if we play with the same intensity and concentration we displayed the last two games should be able to win comfortably.

[James17930]

columbus on a very mediocre run and have key players out.

if we play with the same intensity and concentration we displayed the last two games should be able to win comfortably.

I certainly hope so. Always love smashing them.

[noimpactinmtl]

columbus on a very mediocre run and have key players out.

if we play with the same intensity and concentration we displayed the last two games should be able to win comfortably.

This is going to be our third game in a week. There is going to be switch-offs and concentration lapses, even though Columbus is also on the same amount of rest as we did. As long as we rest well, focus on execution and trust the chemistry, we should get a good result.

[Mr. Inbetween]

Hey… wait a second… where did all those guys go: You know, they all showed up after the NYRB game to once again remind us that everything about MLSE and TFC is shit? And here we are, two games later, and nowhere in sight (or site).

Hmmm….

I'll be your huckleberry. :troll: :D
Lots of works in progress.
Lets also see who those 3rd and 4th arrivals are.
For now a hop, skip and jump away back to...
I'm still hearing the screams for Jesus in the tall grass of 20 & 21.
Beginning to believe... again.
Expecting the best, prepared for the worse.

[MikeForbes]

Excited for this. I love Wednesday night games.

[Kamp Berg]

Regardless of what happens tonight, it’s a joy to see the team coming together 😃

[PawTar711]

I hope the rain doesnt keep the team away from playing. Usually, when it does rain though, we still play. and with this being said, we can hope to look towards a playoff spot.

[Gringo Starr]

Rain is supposed to be done by 6 or so.

[ag futbol]

Wait, what? There’s a game today?

Caught me off guard but definitely a nice surprise. Hope we can keep this form going.

[MikeForbes]

Let's give JMR the start tonight. He looked good at LB against Atlanta.

[MikeForbes]

Sources tell me that Alex Bono is starting...

[MikeForbes]

Q and Salcedo out.

https://twitter.com/TorontoFC/status/1542279808339566594?s=20&t=NKoqY-64P1ct4YlK_SZzaA

[OgtheDim]

Westberg is injured, apparently....or covid... we will find out soon

as is Salcedo.

[Kamp Berg]

Hopefully the defence can still hold it together without Westburg, but I wouldn’t put money on it.

[Oldtimer]

Westberg is injured, apparently....or covid... we will find out soon

as is Salcedo.

I thought Q had a tweak?

Anyway, Bono. :( I hope our D manages OK.


Hopefully the defence can still hold it together without Westburg, but I wouldn’t t put money on it.

My feelings exactly.

[MikeForbes]

I am happy to see Priso getting another start. A game like tonight would of been a prime time to give Bradley (he has been playing great! Relax.) a partial night off though.

[Kamp Berg]

I thought Q had a tweak?

Anyway, Bono. :( I hope our D manages OK.



My feelings exactly.

Can Ranjitsingh really be more of a risk than Bono?

[OgtheDim]

Anybody know if the rules for the hardware the boys are all mightily fighting for tonight includes away goals?

[MikeForbes]

JRR starts tonight for the Crew the same day he was traded. You just know he is scoring tonight.

https://twitter.com/ColumbusCrew/status/1542278953573965824?s=20&t=Qwvj4wtJV4mnyjFgMQq8cQ

[OgtheDim]

Pride night tonight so we of course are wearing our white & black uniforms....


Villareal is the ref - he's usually pretty consistant & not afraid to go to VAR.

[James17930]

That back line + Bono scares the crap out of me.

Is it wrong to think we're going to concede on the first 5 mins?

[MikeForbes]

Nagbe is one of the best midfielders I have ever seen in MLS.

[OgtheDim]

Hmm..Salcedo out for personal reasons.

[MikeForbes]

Hmm..Salcedo out for personal reasons.

His wife is pregnant. Hope it has nothing to do with that unless she is giving birth.

[James17930]

His wife is pregnant. Hope it has nothing to do with that unless she is giving birth.

They had the kid recently.

[MikeForbes]

They had the kid recently.

Happy to hear. Let's still hope it is nothing to do with his child.

[MikeForbes]

Bradley and Priso looking great as a midfield duo. Not quite prime Oso and Delgado, but still extremely effective.

[OgtheDim]

We look the better team but need some actual shots.

[MikeForbes]

Jayden Nelson and Petrasso playing like guys who know their team just signed their replacements.

[MikeForbes]

JRR is good and that was an absolute bang. Ripped that by our backup keeper.

[OgtheDim]

Sigh...

[Kamp Berg]

Can’t say i’m surprised. I worry about every shot at Bono.

[James17930]

The English commentator I'm listening to seems to think that goal was a result of bad TFC marking, but that seems a bit harsh to me.

Seemed like just a great shot.

[OgtheDim]

Hey… wait a second… where did all those guys go: You know, they all showed up after the NYRB game to once again remind us that everything about MLSE and TFC is shit? And here we are, two games later, and nowhere in sight (or site).

Hmmm….

About 90 minutes away from their descent...

[Kamp Berg]

Who’s leading the backline? Is anybody?

[MikeForbes]

I miss Carlos Salcedo already.

[OgtheDim]

No speed & not much energy off the ball.. we do well on the counter but otherwise, we look ponderous.

[MikeForbes]

Lazy, lazy foul by Poz in the midfield. Surprised he didn't get a yellow there.

[Kamp Berg]

Could really use our new Italian tonight

[OgtheDim]

About 90 minutes away from their descent...


Or maybe in about 30 minutes...

[MikeForbes]

JRR with a casual two assists against us tonight. Also, Bono is garbage.

[jloome]

Could really use our new Italian tonight

From our hesitancy tonight, I wonder if the team so lacks confidence in Bono that it's affecting their play. We started well but disappeared quickly.

[MikeForbes]

Is that legit Ayo's first touch?

[OgtheDim]

Yeh, this isn't going to happen in a few weeks with the 2 people we are getting on the left side.


No hesitation moves anymore from our left sided attacker & no "oh where'd he go?" from our LB

[Kamp Berg]

From our hesitancy tonight, I wonder if the team so lacks confidence in Bono that it's affecting their play. We started well but disappeared quickly.

Seems likely. Hard to blame them when every shot looks like a possible goal.

[OgtheDim]

Everytime they mention that stat of "how many shots Thompson has" ...he gives up the ball - led to the second goal.

[jloome]

Pedro Santos is, without a doubt,
the league's worst actor.

[Kamp Berg]

I’d be surprised if more than one or two of the kids see many minutes after reinforcements arrive.

[jloome]

Hesitancy really killing us tonight.
strikers In good positions but no delivery,
forwards with good runs but no pass...

Need a much better second half

[jloome]

I’d be surprised if more than one or two of the kids see many minutes after reinforcements arrive.
I suspect it'll be a lot of post 65th minute appearances.

[barticusz]

I blame myself. First game I’ve been able to watch in some time and they’re back to their losing ways.

Priso needs to control the ball better. His giveaways aren’t helping today.

[MikeForbes]

Poz has been really good tonight. Everyone else...

[OgtheDim]

We have no width speed - Shaff please


Priso looks slow & ponderous

[MikeForbes]

Jayden Nelson as a super sub - yes.

Nelson as a starter- god no.

[barticusz]

Priso has to get subbed off at the half. Just terrible.

[MikeForbes]

Shaff for Nelson, Oso for Priso and JMR for Petrasso.

[barticusz]

That sounds good to me. At least we’re still creating some chances. If we can pop one in there’s definitely a chance to get a couple more. Columbus doesn’t look great defensively to me.

[jloome]

We really had enough opportunities in that half that we should have scored at least one.

[YYZ_Fan]

Crew giving so much space to operate on the outside. Asking TFC to prove they can do something with that space. This level is not for Nelson. So many wasted crosses.

[jloome]

Man, I'm watching a different game. I thought Priso was pretty good. Decent passing, a few scattered efforts, decent defense.

I figure most of our issues in this game have been general sloppy passing and total hesitancy around the box. Just need the final
product to be quicker and more decisive.

[Kamp Berg]

I suspect it'll be a lot of post 65th minute appearances.

It would be better for their development.

[Auzzy]

We really had enough opportunities in that half that we should have scored at least one.

Columbus sets up much more solidly in defence than TFC.

[MikeForbes]

We really had enough opportunities in that half that we should have scored at least one.

This is the difference between Alex Bono and Eloy Room.

[Kamp Berg]

It’s a different team with Westburg. Isn’t Bono’s contract finished this year?

[MikeForbes]

It’s a different team with Westburg. Isn’t Bono’s contract finished this year?

I believe both contracts are done in January. I would put money on two new keepers being here on 2023's opening day.

[bhandsome90]

Bono signed until 2022. 😞

[tfcfans]

It’s like when I see Bono in the Starting lineup it’s like deciding to go to a Jays game when Kikuchi starts for the Jays - sure they might win but I can’t justify the hour plus trip downtown knowing that we will need to have a ridiculous offensive game to do so....

[Bushmancan]

We are coming back, JMR for Kosi.

[MikeForbes]

Kerr for Akinola? Questionable.

[MikeForbes]

The summer of Perruzza looks to be pushed back to 2023.

[Kamp Berg]

I believe both contracts are done in January. I would put money on two new keepers being here on 2023's opening day.

It could be a real turning point.

[James17930]

Man, I'm watching a different game. I thought Priso was pretty good. Decent passing, a few scattered efforts, decent defense.

I figure most of our issues in this game have been general sloppy passing and total hesitancy around the box. Just need the final
product to be quicker and more decisive.

I agree. We haven't been terrible, just not great. Too many extra touches, as you say.

[bhandsome90]

Any reason why Poz is playing wing?

[jloome]

Smaaaaart run. Jimenez delays his run and no one picks him
up

[tfcfans]

Jesus !

[Kamp Berg]

Beautiful header!

[MikeForbes]

Jesus doesn't save. He scores.

[James17930]

Kerr for Akinola? Questionable.

He's still coming back from injury and we have 7 games upcoming in July. Don't want to break him again.

[James17930]

Okay boys, one more!

[MikeForbes]

Oso the GOAT.

[Kamp Berg]

Osorio is on a different level this year.

[MikeForbes]

We gotta acquire Ettiene at some point. The guy just owns us.

[MikeForbes]

Also, Osorio and Insigne are gonna create so much magic together. Both are so smart and creative.

[Kamp Berg]

Also, Osorio and Insigne are gonna create so much magic together. Both are so smart and creative.

For sure! Should be a tale of two seasons this year.

[MikeForbes]

Alex Bono is like Manuel Neuer if Neuer completely lost his mind.

[MikeForbes]

I think we get a point out of this.

[James17930]

Every single time JMR brings the ball up he never attacks his player, he just cycles it backwards.

[Bushmancan]

Ok Shaff for Kosi. We are coming back.

[Kamp Berg]

Good, Nagbe is off.

[OgtheDim]

Every single time JMR brings the ball up he never attacks his player, he just cycles it backwards.


Or he loses it in the middle by trying to do too much tricky stuff....

[James17930]

Mavinga having a great game.

[jloome]

Aaargh. Started to play in the second half once Oso came
On but already too late.

[tfcfans]

Wake me up on the ninth when the season starts. I guess we will see if we can save a season by winning 10 of the last 17 games or so — likely will be too big a mountain to climb.....will be interesting to see what this team looks like next March or so....

[MikeForbes]

The contract of Insigne will hopefully lead to us scoring more than the summer of Perruzza.

[stevep]

One more game left

[James17930]

So many wasted chances ...

[Section 223]

Wake me up on the ninth when the season starts. I guess we will see if we can save a season by winning 10 of the last 17 games or so — likely will be too big a mountain to climb.....will be interesting to see what this team looks like next March or so....
Puzzling how a team needing points and playing a team fighting us for probably the final playoff spot doesn’t start Oso in this game.

[Auzzy]

Every single time JMR brings the ball up he never attacks his player, he just cycles it backwards.

I agree regarding JMR, but a bunch of TFC players were similar. The few times Columbus came forward out of their bunker in the 2nd half, TFC would win the ball back, but rarely push it forward quickly. I felt like TFC would use the occasion to take a break instead of everybody sprinting forward and moving the ball with speed to catch Columbus off-balance.

Also so much hesitancy to shoot from the edge of the box or just outside.

[Auzzy]

Puzzling how a team needing points and playing a team fighting us for probably the final playoff spot doesn’t start Oso in this game.

Welcome back! So nice to see you again. We were just desperate for your return. Osorio was out for a long time, 3 games in the week. BB would rather he is available for the whole season rather than back on the treatment table within a few weeks.

Do stay for a while, it's not the same without you.

[stevep]

Puzzling how a team needing points and playing a team fighting us for probably the final playoff spot doesn’t start Oso in this game.

yes. Funny. Not funny haha funny weird

[stevep]

Bono and O’Neil as centre back lost is this game
the crew stinks

[Yuushalinsky]

Defensively, not good enough. Some of those goals were kinda travesties.

Offensively, sparks but no fire. No lack of trying but try doesn't win games sometimes. Encouraged by the fact that this team finally looks like they want to generate, but executing in the final 3rd is key.

[DavemTFC]

Hey… wait a second… where did all those guys go: You know, they all showed up after the NYRB game to once again remind us that everything about MLSE and TFC is shit? And here we are, two games later, and nowhere in sight (or site).

Hmmm….

Bono and O’Neil as centre back lost is this game
the crew stinks
:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

[ag futbol]

You lose Westberg, Osorio, and Salcedo from the starting 11… a lot of passing quality that’s not made up by their replacements.

We did okay attack wise. The parked the bus pretty hard in the second half.

Ironically, I would say the first half hold up play / 2 assists from the academy player we threw in the garbage was the difference over 90 minutes

[DavemTFC]

We were bound to lose an unlucky one like this soon enough. Priso and Shaff were rough but we played some real fun stuff. Playing against a bunker is frustrating

Jacen Russel Rowe looks a real talent. The TFC fan in me isn't happy to see him on the other side but the CanMNT fan is looking forward to him hopefully getting a good run of games this year

[Section 223]

Welcome back! So nice to see you again. We were just desperate for your return. Osorio was out for a long time, 3 games in the week. BB would rather he is available for the whole season rather than back on the treatment table within a few weeks.

Do stay for a while, it's not the same without you.
So you get behind two goals and then bring him on ?

[James17930]

So you get behind two goals and then bring him on ?

He's coming back from injury. He can't go a full 90 yet.

[Section 223]

He's coming back from injury. He can't go a full 90 yet.
I fully understand that, but when you are already down your DP centre back in Salcedo, you don’t further complicate things by not starting your best ball winner. Start Poz if you get a lead you give him his 50-55 minutes and reshape the squad in a defensive formation the rest of the way. This was a lost 3 points that I blame solely on this new gaffer of ours who has frankly disappointed .

[MightyDM]

Should have been 1-1 on the day. In the stadium we were in control and created lots of chances, just not really great ones. Sucks to lose against them but if we play this way with quicker ball movement (and Q) we will be in with a chance. From stadium, Shaff’s injury looked serious. He was not running properly when he came in - I am guessing he is recovering from a pulled groin and could go 80 per cent not 100 - and that tackle looked like he might have torn it. All a guess. Nice night at BMO is my only takeaway from the game. Oh, and the build up around 89th minute to an almost chance on goal was incredible.

Oso has elevated his game. Holy cow.

[ag futbol]

Should have been 1-1 on the day. In the stadium we were in control and created lots of chances, just not really great ones. Sucks to lose against them but if we play this way with quicker ball movement (and Q) we will be in with a chance. From stadium, Shaff’s injury looked serious. He was not running properly when he came in - I am guessing he is recovering from a pulled groin and could go 80 per cent not 100 - and that tackle looked like he might have torn it. All a guess. Nice night at BMO is my only takeaway from the game. Oh, and the build up around 89th minute to an almost chance on goal was incredible.

Oso has elevated his game. Holy cow.
Took an elbow to the face and was bleeding from around the eye. Didn’t think there was much more to it.

[James17930]

Took an elbow to the face and was bleeding from around the eye. Didn’t think there was much more to it.

He looked dazed, like he couldn't stand properly. Hopefully it was under the eye and not directly on it.

[MikeForbes]

These two might forever be linked now.

https://twitter.com/MichaelSingh94/status/1542335921441443840?s=20&t=WmvySN8OCRQ3VFDrNOkhlw

[portu]

These two might forever be linked now.

https://twitter.com/MichaelSingh94/status/1542335921441443840?s=20&t=WmvySN8OCRQ3VFDrNOkhlw
What position does Kerr even play? I’ve seen him up top, on the wing, everywhere in midfield.

[leedsandTFC]

we played pretty well for the most part, missed a ton of chances.

the team is definitely playing the system well, just need more quality parts in there to win consistently.

thank god only one more game til the window opens.

[Hala Hrvatska]

Hey… wait a second… where did all those guys go: You know, they all showed up after the NYRB game to once again remind us that everything about MLSE and TFC is shit? And here we are, two games later, and nowhere in sight (or site).

Hmmm….

Came to feed you some humble pie....;)

[Hala Hrvatska]

Ffs...that was an easy must win 3 pointer against a team going for the last playoff spot we are trying to sneak into and lose....horrible effort...the D was a shambles...

Petrasso or whatever his name attempting to play left back got used and abused in the first half by some kid from Brampton that we cut ffs....O'Neil, where the hell was he on the second goal? There were a few other great Columbus chances as well, one just missed wide as our d was continually asleep and Bradley and Priso got overun time and time again in the midfield...

First goal, Bradley and Priso just stand there like dummies and let some journeymen hack blast it, great "effort" ffs...shameful.....while Bono reacts after the ball already is in the back of the net....secong goal, carved apart so easy...Priso and Bradley again standing around...petrazzo, oniel and mavinga ball watching as some journeyman just runs by them off a simple pass from the brampton kid we cut...and Bono, being bono watches the ball go in the net...horrible, bush league defending....

Poz did well, same as Oso when he came on. Why would you not start Oso in a must win? And don't give me the bs about 3 games in 3 nights or whatever...ffs, Bradley no matter what will play his 90 minutes...walking around at a snail's pace as his man skins him time and time again....

Bradley Sr, when will this clown be fired? Outside defenders that are not defenders...and this is the result game after game, s.hit goals...no ability to win offer width, etc....BUY SOME OUTSIDE BACKS FFS!!!!!!

Bono-sorry, every shot at him is danger...is useless. And inspires fear and no confidence around him. Get rid of him for ffs.

I'll be there on the 9th, looking forward to Insigne but as he was watching last night, he must be going what the hell did I get myself into...some of these "kids" are not mls calibre and never will be.

Nelson runs around like chicken with his head cut off...petrozza is a cpl maybe bench guy...oneil, a journeyman that should never touch the field....Priso, ffs, that was horrible last night, what the hell was he doing out there? Shafleburgh, hope he is alright, that was nasty, but that doesn't excuse how bad he was when he was on...Poz set him him time and time again and he doesn't have the ability to do anything, not his fault, he just isn't good enough...he can sprint and that's it.

Oh well....another no playoff year....despite massive spend again.

PS what would it take for Bradley to not start, or be subbed? Does he have some clause in his contract that says he cannot be taken off no matter what? And its even worse, his dear old college coach dad has blinders on and won't take him off either...must be demoralizing for the team knowing the slow as molasses son is favoured and plays no matter what.

[Hala Hrvatska]

Opps forgot Akinola...had what 9 touches the entire first half....was literally invisible and like we were playing a man down....

And God Bless Jesus for his goal and work rate...he literally was the only forward we had going up against 5 guys himself....shalfelburgh and kerr up front with him was basiclaly himslef all alone....

And JMR, what is the hype all about? Offers absolutely nothing going forward....all he does is gets the ball...then stops, turns around and passes it back...time after time...so predictable and wasteful.

We are down 2-1 and the last 10 minutes you have jmr and nelson on a walkabout....zero urgency. If I was Poz I'd be pulling my hair out playing with all these "kids"....

Side note, enough with the "kids" excuses...most will never have a careeer in the Mls they are not good enough...and in terms of "kids"...Vini Jr and Rodrygo and Camavinga at Real just won a CL...and they are younger that some of our "kids". Either you are good enough, or you aren't. And ffs, we cut a kid who torched us last night....our scouting department is as clueless as manning....

[Mr. Inbetween]

Hey… wait a second… where did all those guys go: You know, they all showed up after the NYRB game to once again remind us that everything about MLSE and TFC is shit? And here we are, two games later, and nowhere in sight (or site).

Hmmm….


I'll be your huckleberry. :troll: :D
Lots of works in progress.
Lets also see who those 3rd and 4th arrivals are.
For now a hop, skip and jump away back to...
I'm still hearing the screams for Jesus in the tall grass of 20 & 21.
Beginning to believe... again.
Expecting the best, prepared for the worse.


Ffs...that was an easy must win 3 pointer against a team going for the last playoff spot we are trying to sneak into and lose....horrible effort...the D was a shambles...

Petrasso or whatever his name attempting to play left back got used and abused in the first half by some kid from Brampton that we cut ffs....O'Neil, where the hell was he on the second goal? There were a few other great Columbus chances as well, one just missed wide as our d was continually asleep and Bradley and Priso got overun time and time again in the midfield...

First goal, Bradley and Priso just stand there like dummies and let some journeymen hack blast it, great "effort" ffs...shameful.....while Bono reacts after the ball already is in the back of the net....secong goal, carved apart so easy...Priso and Bradley again standing around...petrazzo, oniel and mavinga ball watching as some journeyman just runs by them off a simple pass from the brampton kid we cut...and Bono, being bono watches the ball go in the net...horrible, bush league defending....

Poz did well, same as Oso when he came on. Why would you not start Oso in a must win? And don't give me the bs about 3 games in 3 nights or whatever...ffs, Bradley no matter what will play his 90 minutes...walking around at a snail's pace as his man skins him time and time again....

Bradley Sr, when will this clown be fired? Outside defenders that are not defenders...and this is the result game after game, s.hit goals...no ability to win offer width, etc....BUY SOME OUTSIDE BACKS FFS!!!!!!

Bono-sorry, every shot at him is danger...is useless. And inspires fear and no confidence around him. Get rid of him for ffs.

I'll be there on the 9th, looking forward to Insigne but as he was watching last night, he must be going what the hell did I get myself into...some of these "kids" are not mls calibre and never will be.

Nelson runs around like chicken with his head cut off...petrozza is a cpl maybe bench guy...oneil, a journeyman that should never touch the field....Priso, ffs, that was horrible last night, what the hell was he doing out there? Shafleburgh, hope he is alright, that was nasty, but that doesn't excuse how bad he was when he was on...Poz set him him time and time again and he doesn't have the ability to do anything, not his fault, he just isn't good enough...he can sprint and that's it.

Oh well....another no playoff year....despite massive spend again.

PS what would it take for Bradley to not start, or be subbed? Does he have some clause in his contract that says he cannot be taken off no matter what? And its even worse, his dear old college coach dad has blinders on and won't take him off either...must be demoralizing for the team knowing the slow as molasses son is favoured and plays no matter what.


Opps forgot Akinola...had what 9 touches the entire first half....was literally invisible and like we were playing a man down....

And God Bless Jesus for his goal and work rate...he literally was the only forward we had going up against 5 guys himself....shalfelburgh and kerr up front with him was basiclaly himslef all alone....

And JMR, what is the hype all about? Offers absolutely nothing going forward....all he does is gets the ball...then stops, turns around and passes it back...time after time...so predictable and wasteful.

We are down 2-1 and the last 10 minutes you have jmr and nelson on a walkabout....zero urgency. If I was Poz I'd be pulling my hair out playing with all these "kids"....

Side note, enough with the "kids" excuses...most will never have a careeer in the Mls they are not good enough...and in terms of "kids"...Vini Jr and Rodrygo and Camavinga at Real just won a CL...and they are younger that some of our "kids". Either you are good enough, or you aren't. And ffs, we cut a kid who torched us last night....our scouting department is as clueless as manning....

Huzzah! You go HH; you do you.
I acquiesce my 'huckleberryness'.

[Yuushalinsky]

Hmm, so people understand how 4 games in 14 days can have adverse effects without player management...

and yet still want to do bad player management because they think 3 points now is worth potentially losing a player of Osorio's importance during the season?

#ArmchairManagement

[Hala Hrvatska]

Hmm, so people understand how 4 games in 14 days can have adverse effects without player management...

and yet still want to do bad player management because they think 3 points now is worth potentially losing a player of Osorio's importance during the season?

#ArmchairManagement

It was a must win and easy 3 points at home...that we lost to a direct rival....horrible game management. We absolutely needed those 3 easy points against a depleted crappy side...and lost them.

When you are about to miss the playoffs for the third time in 4 years, you can't afford to "rest" guys....who already have barely played as it is.

How about we "rest" Bradley. He is apparently so critical to our success that he quite literally never comes off no matter what. Knowing Manning, he'll give Bradely a 3 year contract extension...ffs.

[OgtheDim]

Hey… wait a second… where did all those guys go: You know, they all showed up after the NYRB game to once again remind us that everything about MLSE and TFC is shit? And here we are, two games later, and nowhere in sight (or site).

Hmmm….

Man, did you ever call that one right....

[Smokecell]

With every passing game I feel like I’m liking the O’Neil signing less and less.

[Kamp Berg]

With every passing game I feel like I’m liking the O’Neil signing less and less.

He’s a fine 3rd CB, when he has someone leading him. Any defence without a leader is going to look isolated and disorganized.

[MightyDM]

Took an elbow to the face and was bleeding from around the eye. Didn’t think there was much more to it.

I hop you are right. Right before that play we had been commenting on how he was getting beat for pace and the guy beside me pointed out that he was limping. Which he was.

[MightyDM]

He’s a fine 3rd CB, when he has someone leading him. Any defence without a leader is going to look isolated and disorganized.

that’s my take too. It’s noticeable how much better we are with Q on the pitch commanding boththe box and his D.

[Ultra & Proud]

I hop you are right. Right before that play we had been commenting on how he was getting beat for pace and the guy beside me pointed out that he was limping. Which he was.
Watching that over again I think he wasn't limping but wobbly. Probably saw stars and needed concussion protocols. He took a good one right in the soft spot around the eye.

[Bushmancan]

Opps forgot Akinola...had what 9 touches the entire first half....was literally invisible and like we were playing a man down....

Yeah, I noticed that as well, i will be honest i dont know how to read Ayo, is he a target man to hold up and muscle through or something else. Or maybe he just had a really bad night because there was absolutely no hunger for the ball, no movement, no finding spots, no running channels.. concerning

Going back to Salcedo, if you watched the last two games, he has really taken over marshaling the back line (he was missed last night). At worst it should have been a tie. One or both of those don’t go in if he is playing (hope everything is ok)

Also, i felt bad for Bono, after the 30th minute they would not pass back at all.

The soccer gods did not like us last night but the result was also self induced, bad defence and shoddy finishing. Team effort.

Still lots of work required…. Can’t give up on the playoffs, but this one really hurt.

[Ultra & Proud]

that’s my take too. It’s noticeable how much better we are with Q on the pitch.
He is what's needed to marshall the backline. You take him and Salcedo out and we automatically reverted to the kind of defense we played earlier in the season.

Also, while still not worth a DP spot, you can see the value Salcedo has when on the pitch especially more recently with Q.

With a lot of people on here nobody gets a chance. Everyone expects new players (especially TAM & DPs) to walk in and tear it up on day 1 and if they don't then they will never climb out of that dog house.

Question is what do we do with Westberg? Firstly we need to dump Bono and after than make a hard decision on Q. Unless we can score a GK with a legit GK IQ that has comparable marshalling, stopping, and distribution skills then maybe we should offer him a 1 year extension or a 1+1.

[stevep]

According to gameflow
expexted goals for tfc 2.24
Expected goals for cc 0.70
according to expected goals chart
the spot on the field where Columbus scored the first goal
had an expected probability of 2.5% to result in a goal

[Kamp Berg]

According to gameflow
expexted goals for tfc 2.24
Expected goals for cc 0.70
according to expected goals chart
the spot on the field where Columbus scored the first goal
had an expected probability of 2.5% to result in a goal

Those are some rough stats. On the plus side, creation isn’t the issue. But Bono is done here, he needs to move on, and Conway’s coaching needs to be scrutinized.

[Kamp Berg]

that’s my take too. It’s noticeable how much better we are with Q on the pitch.


He is what's needed to marshall the backline. You take him and Salcedo out and we automatically reverted to the kind of defense we played earlier in the season.

Also, while still not worth a DP spot, you can see the value Salcedo has when on the pitch especially more recently with Q.

With a lot of people on here nobody gets a chance. Everyone expects new players (especially TAM & DPs) to walk in and tear it up on day 1 and if they don't then they will never climb out of that dog house.

Question is what do we do with Westberg? Firstly we need to dump Bono and after than make a hard decision on Q. Unless we can score a GK with a legit GK IQ that has comparable marshalling, stopping, and distribution skills then maybe we should offer him a 1 year extension or a 1+1.

It’s about time TFC picked up a top end keeper, it’s been shaky since Frei left, Westburg being the only exception.

[Hala Hrvatska]

It’s about time TFC picked up a top end keeper, it’s been shaky since Frei left, Westburg being the only exception.

Fully agreed.

Bono is so nervous and its panic time anytime the opponent gets in our end...our defenders don't even want to pass it back to him....too risky or it just ends up given back to the other team or in row 323 and and a throw in.

[Ultra & Proud]

According to gameflow
expexted goals for tfc 2.24
Expected goals for cc 0.70
according to expected goals chart
the spot on the field where Columbus scored the first goal
had an expected probability of 2.5% to result in a goal

The Bono Equation

[reggie]

cbus had no business winning last night.but thats futbol sometimes.to me when you have a mavinga/bono combo its a lack of communication disaster on the backline,and oso should of started it was a 6 pointer last night

[noxx98]

Came to feed you some humble pie....;)
Every single one of your posts is complaining about TFC. I get being critical of the team, but only coming on here when the team loses or you want to complain about a poor decision by Bradley (either of them) is tiring. Get a better hobby.

[Oldtimer]

It’s about time TFC picked up a top end keeper, it’s been shaky since Frei left, Westburg being the only exception.

I'd like an upgrade on Westberg, but compared to Bono he organizes defense well, doesn't panic, and has decent distribution. In my ideal world Westberg is the backup (which is what they originally got him for) and someone like a Frei is the primary.

[Kamp Berg]

I'd like an upgrade on Westberg, but compared to Bono he organizes defense well, doesn't panic, and has decent distribution. In my ideal world Westberg is the backup (which is what they originally got him for) and someone like a Frei is the primary.

I agree, Westberg would be a top notch backup. A younger version of him isn’t optimum, but would probably do fine. Either that or a true CB leader like Moor.

[jloome]

Man, did you ever call that one right....

It’s not even about the football; it’s about the need to proselytize, earn attention good or bad. The notion that any of us commenting here has the insight to comprehensively shit on any of these guys is beyond arrogant. I take them about as seriously as I take literary critics; but some people find critiques deeply entertaining, so whatever floats people’s boats, I guess.

I just try to remember to login before commenting; enables a fairly healthy ‘block’ list, so I generally only see this stuff when it’s quoted by others now.

We dominated them in xG, shots and shots on target, possession, passing percentage. But we lost duels and total tackles, which is how you lose two goals on the press or break.

Parity league. But we should’ve got a point last night. Felt within reach to get that or more.

[MightyDM]

Watching that over again I think he wasn't limping but wobbly. Probably saw stars and needed concussion protocols. He took a good one right in the soft spot around the eye.

Good, I hope what you saw is all there is - but just to be clear, it was before this that he was limping

[Ultra & Proud]

Good, I hope what you saw is all there is - but just to be clear, it was before this that he was limping
Hopefully he didn't roll something by trying to run while dazed from the elbow.

[Hala Hrvatska]

Hopefully he didn't roll something by trying to run while dazed from the elbow.

Hope the league reviews, that was a dirty cheap shot by the columbus guy. Hope Shaff is okay but would be surprised he didn't have a concussion and has a nasty gash requiring stitches.

[ag futbol]

Bono’s ability with the ball certainly didn’t help last night but I don’t think the average MLS keeper stops either opportunity.

It was frustrating to lose but all-and-all I don’t think we played that poorly. It was just in some of those key sequences Bradley and Priso got out foxed by the crew midfield and then that led to the balling getting to their forwards in some pretty good positions. Also, Jacen Russell Rowe also made Mavinga and others look a bit foolish. A 19-year old debutant should not be made to look to have super human strength, holding off 2-3 defenders. If that’s actually him, he’s going to have a pretty damn solid career

[stevep]

Bono’s ability with the ball certainly didn’t help last night but I don’t think the average MLS keeper stops either opportunity.

It was frustrating to lose but all-and-all I don’t think we played that poorly. It was just in some of those key sequences Bradley and Priso got out foxed by the crew midfield and then that led to the balling getting to their forwards in some pretty good positions. Also, Jacen Russell Rowe also made Mavinga and others look a bit foolish. A 19-year old debutant should not be made to look to have super human strength, holding off 2-3 defenders. If that’s actually him, he’s going to have a pretty damn solid career

The probability of scoring from the spot the first goal was shot from is 2.5%
the average mls keeper stops the first shot 97.5%!of the tome
is this too difficult for you to understand

[stevep]

It’s not even about the football; it’s about the need to proselytize, earn attention good or bad. The notion that any of us commenting here has the insight to comprehensively shit on any of these guys is beyond arrogant. I take them about as seriously as I take literary critics; but some people find critiques deeply entertaining, so whatever floats people’s boats, I guess.

I just try to remember to login before commenting; enables a fairly healthy ‘block’ list, so I generally only see this stuff when it’s quoted by others now.

We dominated them in xG, shots and shots on target, possession, passing percentage. But we lost duels and total tackles, which is how you lose two goals on the press or break.

Parity league. But we should’ve got a point last night. Felt within reach to get that or more.

what I find really interesting is that somebody that lives in the middle of no where Canada and doesn’t spend a cent on tfc tickets has the audacity to get angry at people that spend there hard earned money on tfc tickets and are treated to garbage football
and are not allowed to complain
How dare you

[Canary10]

The probability of scoring from the spot the first goal was shot from is 2.5%
the average mls keeper stops the first shot 97.5%!of the tome
is this too difficult for you to understand

That isn't what the xG stats means. It's just the chances of scoring from a shot from that spot. Doesn't mean that it's saved 97% of the time.

[stevep]

That isn't what the xG stats means. It's just the chances of scoring from a shot from that spot. Doesn't mean that it's saved 97% of the time.
You mean shots could be blocked
Or shot off the net
is that what you mean

[noxx98]

You mean shots could be blocked
Or shot off the net
is that what you mean
My understanding is that xG doesn't consider the quality of the shot from that spot. It's based on the average shot from that position. So, maybe Bono could have/should have stopped the first goal, but it was a hard shot driven into the top corner. That shot certainly goes in more often than 3% of the time

[JoesphNdo]

The probability of scoring from the spot the first goal was shot from is 2.5%
the average mls keeper stops the first shot 97.5%!of the tome
is this too difficult for you to understand

That's not at all what that means, like at all. If I flip a coin I've a 50% chance of it landing on heads. That doesn't mean that the person I'm betting against should prevent it from landing on heads 50% of the time, and that if it lands on heads this one time they've done anything wrong. If Messi scores an absolute world class goal from a tight angle with a 2.5% xg that doesn't mean a better goalkeeper saves it 97.5% of the time, if the shots good enough, every goalkeeper saves it 0% of the time.


Think people are very results orientated. We were the better team and we win that game more often than we lose. I think we still have issues (Not great on the full back, still think Michael Bradley is a huge issue and was very poor last night, we continue to use our best player by a wide margin in a less than efficient manner) but overall we're doing okay with the resources we have and played decently. The real test now is who else we can get in and what we do with them once we have it

[jloome]

what I find really interesting is that somebody that lives in the middle of no where Canada and doesn’t spend a cent on tfc tickets has the audacity to get angry at people that spend there hard earned money on tfc tickets and are treated to garbage football
and are not allowed to complain
How dare you

It's your football club, not a happy meal. Had you ever once
posted anything that wasn't petulant whining people might take some of your incessant bitching seriously, rather than mocking it.

Take your mock outrage back to whineville, you sound like an
Impact fan.

[OgtheDim]

Well it is a change from the whole "MLS is corrupt & all the games are fixed" stuff we used to hear from certain quarters.

***********

Complain, sure.

Constantly find the worst & only be on here during the worst? :troll:

[FootBallAZ]

So Im not sure what the majority of y'all saw. But what I saw every time TFC had possession was 1 TFC player with the ball surrounded by 2-3 CLB players consistently.

No one made a move or provided support it was literally always TFC being out numbered offensively and even defensively CLB always had more players surrounding TFC.

The high press doesnt work as Bradley' isnt clutch - as you seen from the easy tap in he had. I do feel bad as the whole stadium doesnt understand his shooting accuracy and it is unfortunate twice in the game he had the best chance to shoot from 18 Yards out.

The game definitely changed when OSO jumped in, the most annoying part is the backwards passing or the obvious passing from inexperienced players to, bradley or poz everytime without fail.

This changed once OSO was on, OSO and POZ and sometimes Jesus would play within themselves - with OSO the ball kept moving forward and his subtle shifts opened up so much. The key factor was they never even looked to the center of the pitch to involve bradley except when they need a release valve.


The backwards passing and always going to bradley or pozo is something that is being coached in them including poz - he isnt the same player and doesnt make sense that he was receiving the ball in front of TFC's CB-no sense at all.

I get he is doing well and great at tackling but - I rather conserve his energy in the offensive side of the field.

Nelson was bad.
Bono was bad - made one pass by his feet rest with his arms- no command and control by contrast to when Q salcedo and mavinga were playing.

Happy for Jesus goal- the wins against shitty teams doesnt change the fact this team and the payroll should be in a much better position -especially considering the fact manning has been here and a consistent for years.

Im not sold on Bob- as he seems sometimes his choices are personal based vs performance based.

The game was boring and the build up was insanely slow- compared to the two previous wins.

why it took Q to get a look that long into the season never makes sense- the shut out was first of the season but first in two seasons -correct going back to 41 games or something?

crowed clearly was not impressed.

[stevep]

It's your football club, not a happy meal. Had you ever once
posted anything that wasn't petulant whining people might take some of your incessant bitching seriously, rather than mocking it.

Take your mock outrage back to whineville, you sound like an
Impact fan.

actually i was quite complimentary of tfc after the impact game.

[Hala Hrvatska]

So Im not sure what the majority of y'all saw. But what I saw every time TFC had possession was 1 TFC player with the ball surrounded by 2-3 CLB players consistently.

No one made a move or provided support it was literally always TFC being out numbered offensively and even defensively CLB always had more players surrounding TFC.

The high press doesnt work as Bradley' isnt clutch - as you seen from the easy tap in he had. I do feel bad as the whole stadium doesnt understand his shooting accuracy and it is unfortunate twice in the game he had the best chance to shoot from 18 Yards out.

The game definitely changed when OSO jumped in, the most annoying part is the backwards passing or the obvious passing from inexperienced players to, bradley or poz everytime without fail.

This changed once OSO was on, OSO and POZ and sometimes Jesus would play within themselves - with OSO the ball kept moving forward and his subtle shifts opened up so much. The key factor was they never even looked to the center of the pitch to involve bradley except when they need a release valve.


The backwards passing and always going to bradley or pozo is something that is being coached in them including poz - he isnt the same player and doesnt make sense that he was receiving the ball in front of TFC's CB-no sense at all.

I get he is doing well and great at tackling but - I rather conserve his energy in the offensive side of the field.

Nelson was bad.
Bono was bad - made one pass by his feet rest with his arms- no command and control by contrast to when Q salcedo and mavinga were playing.

Happy for Jesus goal- the wins against shitty teams doesnt change the fact this team and the payroll should be in a much better position -especially considering the fact manning has been here and a consistent for years.

Im not sold on Bob- as he seems sometimes his choices are personal based vs performance based.

The game was boring and the build up was insanely slow- compared to the two previous wins.

why it took Q to get a look that long into the season never makes sense- the shut out was first of the season but first in two seasons -correct going back to 41 games or something?

crowed clearly was not impressed.

Well said and fully agreed.

My question, the elephant in the room if you will, what would it take for Bradley jr to get benched or subbed? No matter how he plays, he stays on. Will his dad ever bench him if he isn't playing well?

[Hala Hrvatska]

what I find really interesting is that somebody that lives in the middle of no where Canada and doesn’t spend a cent on tfc tickets has the audacity to get angry at people that spend there hard earned money on tfc tickets and are treated to garbage football
and are not allowed to complain
How dare you

Agreed.

I sat through that opening day s.hit show and was fuming. That wasn't even competing, that was an absolute embarrassment. Am excited about Isngine coming though, can't wait to see him on the 9th. HIm and Poz and Jimenez should make a great trio.

[Ultra & Proud]

Well said and fully agreed.

My question, the elephant in the room if you will, what would it take for Bradley jr to get benched or subbed? No matter how he plays, he stays on. Will his dad ever bench him if he isn't playing well?
I say not until Priso shows he can do the job consistently as good as Bradley or else in 2024. Whichever comes first. At present I expect MB to start this year and next no matter how tattered and worn down he must be.

[leedsandTFC]

Well said and fully agreed.

My question, the elephant in the room if you will, what would it take for Bradley jr to get benched or subbed? No matter how he plays, he stays on. Will his dad ever bench him if he isn't playing well?
it's a fair question but not too relevant so far this year as he's been one of our better/ best players.

there's no point in the season so far where i thought we'd have been improved by taking MB off.

[Canary10]

You mean shots could be blocked
Or shot off the net
is that what you mean

Yeah, exactly. Shots from outside the box almost always have a lower xG than closer range. It was actually a great strike imo that Bono didn't have much chance on. Should really have been closed down by a defender though.

[stevep]

Yeah, exactly. Shots from outside the box almost always have a lower xG than closer range. It was actually a great strike imo that Bono didn't have much chance on. Should really have been closed down by a defender though.

did Bono have a chance on that shot
let’s analyze and see
a quick search on Google yielded the following
On a penalty kick the keeper can move from the centre of the net to one of the posts in 600 milliseconds
the shot arrives in approximately 500milliseconds
now the Columbus shot was taken roughly at twice the distance from goal as the distance a penalty kick
I actually watched it on YouTube and it took around 800milliseconds ( I timed it)
now Bono did not have to move the full four yards from the centre to the post
he only had to move about one yard
so his travel time is roughly 150 milliseconds
also, watch the play on YouTube in 0.25 speed
Bono dives sideways not upwards to meet the ball
So to sum up travel time 800milliseconds of ball
time Bono needed to get to ball 150milliseconds
you make your own conclusion
i have made mine but I’m not going to post it

[stevep]

did Bono have a chance on that shot
let’s analyze and see
a quick search on Google yielded the following
On a penalty kick the keeper can move from the centre of the net to one of the posts in 600 milliseconds
the shot arrives in approximately 500milliseconds
now the Columbus shot was taken roughly at twice the distance from goal as the distance a penalty kick
I actually watched it on YouTube and it took around 800milliseconds ( I timed it)
now Bono did not have to move the full four yards from the centre to the post
he only had to move about one yard
so his travel time is roughly 150 milliseconds
also, watch the play on YouTube in 0.25 speed
Bono dives sideways not upwards to meet the ball
So to sum up travel time 800milliseconds of ball
time Bono needed to get to ball 150milliseconds
you make your own conclusion
i have made mine but I’m not going to post it

this is why expected goal is 2.5% or slightly more maybe double
the physics don’t lie

[Ultra & Proud]

this is why expected goal is 2.5% or slightly more maybe double
the physics don’t lie

The XG should just be double whenever Bono is in net.

[stevep]

The XG should just be double whenever Bono is in net.
He pulled a very similar stunt in the Columbus game earlier in the year
A grandmother could have stopped that shot in the Columbus game in March
please explain to me how he does not stop that shot
watch it slow motion on YouTube
he had to move a foot to reach the shot

[Kamp Berg]

Prediction: Bono takes massive pay cut on his next contract (hopefully somewhere else).

Question: How does he play so badly, but never gets called out by the media that follows the team? Except for little comments in-game. Is he so sensitive he can’t take it? If so, professional sports is probably not his thing.

[Ultra & Proud]

Prediction: Bono takes massive pay cut on his next contract (hopefully somewhere else).

Question: How does he play so badly, but never gets called out by the media that follows the team? Except for little comments in-game. Is he so sensitive he can’t take it? If so, professional sports is probably not his thing.

I could see him take a Zavaleta type deal to be a back up at LAG and Vanney will use him more than he should.

[Kamp Berg]

I could see him take a Zavaleta type deal to be a back up at LAG and Vanney will use him more than he should.

Sounds about right, all the power to him.

[MightyDM]

it's a fair question but not too relevant so far this year as he's been one of our better/ best players.

there's no point in the season so far where i thought we'd have been improved by taking MB off.


exactly.

[613reppingTFC]

I'm not trying to defend him on this as I also thought he should have saved the shot. But in the replay I saw him leaning to his right because it looked like he was screened and then the shot went to his left and he didn't react quick enough