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OgtheDim
05-17-2022, 06:32 AM
to get what you need


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwHi10qX8u8


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Have at It People

MikeForbes
05-17-2022, 07:23 AM
DC has a game tomorrow against NYCFC. Might be able to catch them with heavy legs and steal a win.

Lil'John
05-17-2022, 11:04 AM
I'll be down there with my son!!!

OgtheDim
05-19-2022, 06:19 PM
https://twitter.com/SoccerInsider/status/1527416190162849814

MikeForbes
05-19-2022, 08:47 PM
New kickoff time.

https://twitter.com/SoccerInsider/status/1527460947329273866?s=20&t=u71Fk7lxr1Jt77KYg9Z2HA

jloome
05-20-2022, 01:29 PM
From his comments this week it feels like we’re going to see a 3-4-1-2, with Pozuelo in the hole, Ayo and Jesus up top, two mids in front of the back line.

Super central formation. Maybe realistic given how many teams are playing a high press. WBs are going to be working their butts off.

Kamp Berg
05-21-2022, 08:10 AM
Anyone know if Poz is available today?

noxx98
05-21-2022, 08:51 AM
Anyone know if Poz is available today?
Apparently questionable (same with Shaff). I wouldn't be surprised if they hold Poz out for this and have him ready for the Canadian Championship on Tuesday.

MikeForbes
05-21-2022, 05:00 PM
Never seen a game thread so dead. July can't come soon enough.

ag futbol
05-21-2022, 05:00 PM
Apparently questionable (same with Shaff). I wouldn't be surprised if they hold Poz out for this and have him ready for the summer transfer window
Fixed your post.

MikeForbes
05-21-2022, 05:02 PM
Anyways, here is the lineup. Ayo starts. Oso on the bench.

https://twitter.com/TorontoFC/status/1528129116028936192?s=20&t=N9OS_wGEb-352rhNdEm6hg

MikeForbes
05-21-2022, 05:53 PM
A Vic Rauter game. That will get everyone fired up.

rydermike
05-21-2022, 05:59 PM
Mehdi Essoussi on the bench. A new TFC2 player making his bench debut

MikeForbes
05-21-2022, 06:02 PM
Rauter thinking every DCU player is Taxi Fountas will be fun.

rydermike
05-21-2022, 06:04 PM
Welp

rydermike
05-21-2022, 06:04 PM
Horrendous defense

jloome
05-21-2022, 06:05 PM
Rauter thinking every DCU player is Taxi Fountas will be fun.

We look asleep and overwhelmed.

Kids are just so nervy.

MikeForbes
05-21-2022, 06:05 PM
Help us, Diego Laxalt. You are our only hope.

alex andrew
05-21-2022, 06:05 PM
tried it thrice in 5 minutes, it was a matter of seconds

ag futbol
05-21-2022, 06:06 PM
That was really bad. Maybe it’s just better to check in for July

OgtheDim
05-21-2022, 06:06 PM
Sorta glad the power is out here and the data coverage is spotty.

MikeForbes
05-21-2022, 06:07 PM
We are getting absolutely battered. Have our midfield or forwards even touched the ball?

ag futbol
05-21-2022, 06:07 PM
Stupid foul, but also a very soft yellow

Bobo
05-21-2022, 06:07 PM
This club deserves Rauter calling its games the rest of the season.

jloome
05-21-2022, 06:09 PM
I swear Vic went to the Shatner School of Broadcasting.

Bushmancan
05-21-2022, 06:09 PM
Stupid foul, but also a very soft yellow

Agreed and agreed , did he even touch him?

Section 223
05-21-2022, 06:12 PM
That was really bad. Maybe it’s just better to check in for July
My God did Bob Bradley really sign Salcedo to 2.3 million this season? Just allowed thAt cross on the goal with such a feeble effort. FFS

jloome
05-21-2022, 06:12 PM
As usual by the time we get it into the box they have nine men back

jloome
05-21-2022, 06:15 PM
Fuck me the young guys pass backward a
lot.

noxx98
05-21-2022, 06:22 PM
My God did Bob Bradley really sign Salcedo to 2.3 million this season? Just allowed thAt cross on the goal with such a feeble effort. FFS
Lots of issues on the goal - Salcedo let Estrada get too far infront of him. MacNaughton was in no mans land not really defending anyone. Thompson let Flores get in front of him and couldn't get back to defend him. Midfield was non-existent coming back to support.

ag futbol
05-21-2022, 06:22 PM
That’s just a poor couple of set pieces from Nelson. No way the first should hit the wall from out that far and just over baked the second

MikeForbes
05-21-2022, 06:23 PM
Jayden Nelson taking our setpieces is a sign of how bad our roster is.

benito
05-21-2022, 06:23 PM
Sorta glad the power is out here and the data coverage is spotty.

Consider yourself lucky.

tfcfans
05-21-2022, 06:27 PM
I have literally no thought that this team will actually be competitive this season -- giving up goals in the first 10 minutes or the last 10 minutes of a game is still a thing with this group (chasing games or blowing games) -- again --- we are just throwing away season after season since 2017 -- 2019 was a bit of a mirage, and 2020 was a flame-out with zero goals in a playoff game. We are literally throwing away 2021 and 2022 to turn over a roster so we can "start again" in 2023 --- Jesus is about the only thing that excites me from this year (the one signing that has "over-achieved" based on expectation) -- the kids are still kids (sometimes good, sometimes bad, rarely consistent), Salcedo is more or less a bust at this point based on salary and expectations (and to think I thought he would be a stabilising force on the back line - silly me) - Pozuelo will want $$ for next year -- is he still a DP difference maker at this point as he continues to age (his MVP season led us to what exactly?) and are we paying him as such for a team that is finishing last or close to it for 2021 and 2022? and unless Insigne is the next 30 point player in MLS (and can play goalie and defend as well - ha ha ha), he is not saving this group by himself.....oh, is Westberg even alive? is there any particular reason why Bono plays every minute of every game considering his stats seem to indicate he is not worthy of such deference?

I've been here since 2007 and this is just depressing and uninspired to watch most of the time -- this is simply another year to see if any kids can actually play on a starting 11 of a championship team one day (not sure any of them are consistent starters in this league) --- if this year was about development why is MB playing over a kid at that position, I appreciate everything that MB has done for this club, but he is not a 90 minute player anymore, and if we are transitioning to a "new era" then shouldn't we be doing that now and not later? --- it's really hard to watch a team that apparently has all the resources in the world to be successful (at least in MLS terms), continually play this poorly again and again....I'm aware they were "unlucky" the last few games (VAR nonsense) -- but at some point if it was all "bad luck" wouldn't it go the other way too?

I watch Seattle and think - it is possible to have sustained excellence and competitiveness over time and win championships too -- they are the model franchise of this league, it's definitely not us and hasn't been us since 2017.....we just keep fumbling about making the same mistakes over and over again and hope that we can buy our way out of our problems -- on rare occasions it works, most of the time it doesn't.....

noxx98
05-21-2022, 06:32 PM
Good goal. The Ayo and Jesus connection looks good.

tfcfans
05-21-2022, 06:33 PM
Good timing by me (LOL) -- Bradley to Jesus to Ayo.....nice play....

MikeForbes
05-21-2022, 06:33 PM
Great play by Priso to force that turnover.

benito
05-21-2022, 06:33 PM
Nice finish by Ayo!

OgtheDim
05-21-2022, 06:35 PM
I can't understand what is causing every youth player to stall momentum and play it back. It has to be orders because it's too consistent.

ag futbol
05-21-2022, 06:37 PM
I don’t know if DCU is taking us lightly if is just that bad defensively. Either way, we could find some points here despite the odds.

tfcfans
05-21-2022, 06:37 PM
I can't understand what is causing every youth player to stall momentum and play it back. It has to be orders because it's too consistent.

I agree -- it reminds me of how every rush up the ice in hockey now involves dropping the puck back to the last guy so that everyone can race to the opposing blue line and then stop so as to not go offside and let the trailing man carry the puck over the line while everyone stands still -- drives me nuts.....sorry for the hockey reference....but I agree with your point -- it is being coached into them it seems....

Auzzy
05-21-2022, 06:37 PM
A Vic Rauter game. That will get everyone fired up.

The worst of both worlds: Rauter + Caldwell.

I didn't know that we have a player named Petrazzo.

Caldwell so proud of being totally out-of-date, questioning why teams have somebody lie down behind the wall.

TFC mostly looking totally out of it, then a great goal, wow! Then out of it again.

This broadcast mostly sucks. No replay on a bunch of interesting situations.

MikeForbes
05-21-2022, 06:39 PM
Definitely taking it to them right now. Gotta capitalize before the half.

MikeForbes
05-21-2022, 06:45 PM
Classic Bono.

portu
05-21-2022, 06:45 PM
If Ayo and Jesus can play together in a front 3 it solves a lot of future problems

Auzzy
05-21-2022, 06:50 PM
Classic Bono.

He had the classic+ giveaway right in front of goal, and all his other run-of-the-mill classic clearances and goal kicks straight to DC, but at least in their own half.

Thomas
05-21-2022, 06:53 PM
Quite a bit of the criticism of MB has been warranted this season so far, but he has had a pretty good game this far.

OgtheDim
05-21-2022, 06:55 PM
DCUs midfield is about as slow as ours - same with the forwards. The difference between them and us in terms of quality is keeper and defence.

Auzzy
05-21-2022, 07:10 PM
Nelson should have cut it back to Jiminez in front of goal, he was all open.

At the other end, Nelson let a guy walk in on goal out of midfield, and was only lucky he missed the open goal.

ag futbol
05-21-2022, 07:12 PM
Priso is starting to look like he’s shaking off the rust

noxx98
05-21-2022, 07:13 PM
What on earth was Bono doing? Just claim that ball.

MikeForbes
05-21-2022, 07:14 PM
Disasterclass.

alex andrew
05-21-2022, 07:14 PM
sniff..

Auzzy
05-21-2022, 07:14 PM
Like a dull knife through extremely soft butter.

ag futbol
05-21-2022, 07:14 PM
What on earth was Bono doing? Just claim that ball.
Agreed. It looks like Kosi was shielding the DCU player off the ball (although he started out of position)

Bono just made a hash of it

MikeForbes
05-21-2022, 07:15 PM
Fountas is an absolute animal though. Has absolutely torn Thompson to shreds since switching sides.

benito
05-21-2022, 07:15 PM
Bono needs to be more aggressive on that. Very poor.

What does Westberg need to do to get playing time?

Auzzy
05-21-2022, 07:19 PM
I would love to see Salcedo redeem himself, but it just doesn't seem to be happening. He does not solidify the defence.

MikeForbes
05-21-2022, 07:22 PM
Crazy the difference a top keeper like Hamid or an Andre Blake can have.

alex andrew
05-21-2022, 07:23 PM
Bono needs to be more aggressive on that. Very poor.

yes he is a bit shy, but he never had costacurta and baresi in front of him

portu
05-21-2022, 07:25 PM
Nelson starts a great counter in the 67th

tfcfans
05-21-2022, 07:25 PM
Is anyone surprised at this point? Just keep playing Bono every game - clearly he’s the present and future of this team in goal (LOL) — at what point does anyone wake up and realize what an embarrassment this group is defensively and in goal?! This isn’t bad luck it’s just a truly awful team last year continuing to be a truly awful team this year...losing to Cinci back to back and Vancouver - both MLS powerhouses wasn’t a sign to change things up? This is simply embarrassingly bad play over and over again — I’m a long time STH and I couldn’t imagine ever giving them up but I think my time and money invested in this club isn’t worth the “enjoyment” I get from watching this team crap the bed repeatedly - it just feels like punishment most games waiting for the other shoe to drop every week. I guess being mad and frustrated at least means I still care - at some point apathy is going to kick in and that will be really sad for me.

portu
05-21-2022, 07:26 PM
Nelson takes a poor corner.. why is he on set pieces?

Section 223
05-21-2022, 07:26 PM
I would love to see Salcedo redeem himself, but it just doesn't seem to be happening. He does not solidify the defence.
That’s not on Curtis as everyone here likes to say , it this disaster Bob Bradley , how in sweet baby Jesus did Bradley agree to bring in this player as a DP, I want Bob Bradley canned asap, this team is a friggin embarrassment

portu
05-21-2022, 07:27 PM
Why would you bring Westberg back at such a high number to sit on the bench full time???

Auzzy
05-21-2022, 07:28 PM
So TFC had a great counter-attack there. However despite the speed of the attack, DC got 7 players back in time. You just don't see that with TFC. Yes our defenders aren't great, but it's much harder to defend if you only have 2 or 3 guys back. We have too little speed in our midfield, and our fullbacks don't try hard enough to get back.

MikeForbes
05-21-2022, 07:30 PM
Just getting shelled now. Turnover after turnover.

MikeForbes
05-21-2022, 07:30 PM
And DC can just casually bring on Ola Kamara late in the game. We can bring on... Achara?

ag futbol
05-21-2022, 07:33 PM
Midfield of this team simply does not work. New fullbacks and LA might make things feel more balanced but I doubt I’ll be changing my opinion on this front.

tfcfans
05-21-2022, 07:34 PM
Why would you bring Westberg back at such a high number to sit on the bench full time???

shhh....don’t ask questions — stop making sense — just accept that everything is under control - we’ve got 13th place locked up again and are on pace to give up 65-70 goals - but hey, just wait for July, Insigne is going to fix all that....Yeesh....

Auzzy
05-21-2022, 07:34 PM
That’s not on Curtis as everyone here likes to say , it this disaster Bob Bradley , how in sweet baby Jesus did Bradley agree to bring in this player as a DP, I want Bob Bradley canned asap, this team is a friggin embarrassment

I'm not convinced about Bob Bradley. However Salcedo was a stupid face-saving way to get rid of Soteldo. That's on Curtis, Armas, Bradley, and especially Manning. They should have either found a way to play with Soteldo, or just write him off and don't bring in another sub-standard DP to try to hide your screw-up.

MikeForbes
05-21-2022, 07:36 PM
Singh - "I thought Jayden Nelson was the greatest player to ever touch the Audi Field pitch, why did you take him off in the 77th minute?!"

OgtheDim
05-21-2022, 07:39 PM
Red card

portu
05-21-2022, 07:39 PM
How many of the kids really deserve a spot on the first team roster? Nelson, Petrasso, Shaff, Priso, JMR. That’s it for me.

portu
05-21-2022, 07:39 PM
Red card
Very fortunate

MikeForbes
05-21-2022, 07:40 PM
Not a red card. Shut up, Caldwell. That tackle was not nearly as bad Oso's against Muyl in the playoffs a couple years ago.

portu
05-21-2022, 07:40 PM
Achara is on the pitch. Of course. God these matches are difficult. Going to be a long winter.

OgtheDim
05-21-2022, 07:41 PM
That's going to be a suspension for next week

MikeForbes
05-21-2022, 07:42 PM
Achara is on the pitch. Of course. God these matches are difficult. Going to be a long winter.

Achara still living off that tap in goal from two years ago.

Auzzy
05-21-2022, 07:44 PM
So I guess the kick in the head balances the cleats in the shin. Will both get retroactive discipline, or neither?

OgtheDim
05-21-2022, 07:44 PM
Team so bad that losing only 2-1 feels like a good result

MikeForbes
05-21-2022, 07:45 PM
The summer of Perruzza is gonna happen in the CPL at this rate.

MikeForbes
05-21-2022, 07:47 PM
They might not lose!

Auzzy
05-21-2022, 07:47 PM
Don't quite start the car, but please put the key in the ignition and get your seatbelts on...

benito
05-21-2022, 07:47 PM
Red card man with the goal!

portu
05-21-2022, 07:47 PM
A draw!

tfcfans
05-21-2022, 07:48 PM
A draw!

you really are that confident ? LOL

ag futbol
05-21-2022, 07:48 PM
Nice play by Perruzza. What’s wrong with a low hard shot into the keeper? Nothing, more of our guys should try it rather than trying to be heros picking the far corner.

Auzzy
05-21-2022, 07:53 PM
Don't quite start the car, but please put the key in the ignition and get your seatbelts on...

OK start it, rev it, and burn some rubber!

benito
05-21-2022, 07:53 PM
Make the final! TFC 2, DC united 2.

jloome
05-21-2022, 07:53 PM
Take that and head home.

Good homestand coming up.

MikeForbes
05-21-2022, 07:55 PM
Laxalt, Insigne and a new DM could make this team decent.

Bushmancan
05-21-2022, 07:55 PM
That's going to be a suspension for next week


If that is a suspension then so is Brad Smith kicking Achara in the head. Just saying MLS can’t keep giving us reds the next day.

OgtheDim
05-21-2022, 07:56 PM
Not sure we stole that as much as DCU just left it out there for us to take.

ag futbol
05-21-2022, 07:57 PM
Laxalt, Insigne and a new DM could make this team decent.
I am sure this will be unpopular in some quarters but I think this team has exactly 1 starting quality midfielder and absent getting 2 more it’s going to be tough sledding

OgtheDim
05-21-2022, 08:03 PM
Nice play by Perruzza. What’s wrong with a low hard shot into the keeper? Nothing, more of our guys should try it rather than trying to be heros picking the far corner.

I think sometimes this team is over coached-I'm not sure the Bradley doing that overcoaching is the new one.

Auzzy
05-21-2022, 09:10 PM
I think sometimes this team is over coached-I'm not sure the Bradley doing that overcoaching is the new one.

Wow that's a very interesting thought!

MightyDM
05-21-2022, 09:42 PM
My God did Bob Bradley really sign Salcedo to 2.3 million this season? Just allowed thAt cross on the goal with such a feeble effort. FFS

No. Bradley did not sign Salcedo. That was Manning cleaning up Curtis leagacy.

MightyDM
05-21-2022, 09:53 PM
How many of the kids really deserve a spot on the first team roster? Nelson, Petrasso, Shaff, Priso, JMR. That’s it for me.

kosi

Section 223
05-22-2022, 07:44 AM
No. Bradley did not sign Salcedo. That was Manning cleaning up Curtis leagacy.
Yeah sure whatever you say , but since Bradley was signed as our new saviour GM a full two months before the Salcedo deal was done, this is all on Bob , what at bust this Mexican is at 2.3 million wasting one of our DP spots

OgtheDim
05-22-2022, 07:51 AM
Wow that's a very interesting thought!


I just think the peer pressure to get to the "right decision" comes internally from within the group - a lot of that comes from Bradley - the game has changed since 2017 - I'm not sure MB's internal thought processes have changed with that.


I THINK Oso has adapted. I'm not sure Poz or MB have.


*****

Both Vanney & BB (and even last year's coaches & Nelson) have rued our inability to move the ball quickly & forward. The ONE constant since 2014 is MB.

jloome
05-22-2022, 10:23 AM
I think what appeared to be a tactic involving holding the ball at the midpoint yesterday by the wingbacks was .... a tactic.

They were lined up as wingbacks but effectively played as fullbacks. It was subterfuge, with the high winger on the weak side playing as a false nine.

So when the left side was high, the right side held back. The left wingback went high, the left wing cheated in to the back post (and vice versa, as it was designed to use Ayo in a three up top).

It's a tactic. He started it a week earlier with Peruzza on the right side.

I kept wondering why we kept cycling through central midfield and never just switching fields, and it's because it's designed to set up something methodical, while leaving back an extra defender on the weak side.

That way, when teams try to just dump it over the top, we should be able to cover it.

And for the most part, it worked. But when it didn't, it was because Kosi is quite clearly NOT a defensive player.

In the second half, BB had Ayo drift inside because the ball was always advancing on the left, leaving our weakest WB always backpedalling (as on the second goal).

But we kept cycling through the middle to give us time to set up between the lines and advance into the box; it just went vertical more quickly, as we had more players on the inside.

ag futbol
05-22-2022, 10:41 AM
No. Bradley did not sign Salcedo. That was Manning cleaning up Curtis leagacy.
My take on this is, if Bob’s going to allow any moves while he’s in the seat, they are on Bob.

Professionally, if you allow other people to stake out your territory and make your decisions, that is your risk.

MikeForbes
05-22-2022, 10:49 AM
I assume during Bob's honeymoon stage that any bad signings will be attributed to Manning and any good ones to Bradley.

Kamp Berg
05-22-2022, 10:59 AM
I thought the team played well overall, the defence, but especially the outside backs being the weak links. I was a little scared every time someone passed back though.
Crispness was better, but still an issue.
Some real bright spots going forward, especially Kerr and Ayo.

OgtheDim
05-22-2022, 11:04 AM
BB described the tactical change he made in his post match presser - worth watching (BB losing his patience with the journos a bit - Singh in particular, again, for trying to create a narrative)


https://www.torontofc.ca/video/post-game-bob-bradley-may-21-2022

PawTar711
05-22-2022, 01:23 PM
I think its been a while since I've been to a game at BMO and I wouldn't mind coming out. I think that were not far off from a playoff spot and the season has just begun. I think that by going to gamess it helps promote the sport domestically, and if I can make it out I will do my best to be satsified for results, we annot be too complacement.

Prof
05-22-2022, 02:21 PM
I have literally no thought that this team will actually be competitive this season -- giving up goals in the first 10 minutes or the last 10 minutes of a game is still a thing with this group (chasing games or blowing games) -- again --- we are just throwing away season after season since 2017 -- 2019 was a bit of a mirage, and 2020 was a flame-out with zero goals in a playoff game. We are literally throwing away 2021 and 2022 to turn over a roster so we can "start again" in 2023 --- Jesus is about the only thing that excites me from this year (the one signing that has "over-achieved" based on expectation) -- the kids are still kids (sometimes good, sometimes bad, rarely consistent), Salcedo is more or less a bust at this point based on salary and expectations (and to think I thought he would be a stabilising force on the back line - silly me) - Pozuelo will want $$ for next year -- is he still a DP difference maker at this point as he continues to age (his MVP season led us to what exactly?) and are we paying him as such for a team that is finishing last or close to it for 2021 and 2022? and unless Insigne is the next 30 point player in MLS (and can play goalie and defend as well - ha ha ha), he is not saving this group by himself.....oh, is Westberg even alive? is there any particular reason why Bono plays every minute of every game considering his stats seem to indicate he is not worthy of such deference?

I've been here since 2007 and this is just depressing and uninspired to watch most of the time -- this is simply another year to see if any kids can actually play on a starting 11 of a championship team one day (not sure any of them are consistent starters in this league) --- if this year was about development why is MB playing over a kid at that position, I appreciate everything that MB has done for this club, but he is not a 90 minute player anymore, and if we are transitioning to a "new era" then shouldn't we be doing that now and not later? --- it's really hard to watch a team that apparently has all the resources in the world to be successful (at least in MLS terms), continually play this poorly again and again....I'm aware they were "unlucky" the last few games (VAR nonsense) -- but at some point if it was all "bad luck" wouldn't it go the other way too?

I watch Seattle and think - it is possible to have sustained excellence and competitiveness over time and win championships too -- they are the model franchise of this league, it's definitely not us and hasn't been us since 2017.....we just keep fumbling about making the same mistakes over and over again and hope that we can buy our way out of our problems -- on rare occasions it works, most of the time it doesn't.....

You are frustrated and have been a supporter from 2007. Think of the poor souls who have followed the Leafs the last 55 years.:drinking:

MightyDM
05-23-2022, 11:21 AM
My take on this is, if Bob’s going to allow any moves while he’s in the seat, they are on Bob.

Professionally, if you allow other people to stake out your territory and make your decisions, that is your risk.

fair enough. But we all know that Insigne process started before BB arrived and Soteldo exit process as well. So posters saying “terrible signing BB is a disaster” aren’t fair or accurate, or even responsible. I am sure he could have said “no” but really these are Manning moves. Everything else, particularly the clear out, is BB’s responsibility, for better and for worse.

MightyDM
05-23-2022, 11:22 AM
I assume during Bob's honeymoon stage that any bad signings will be attributed to Manning and any good ones to Bradley.

funny. My take is above.

ag futbol
05-23-2022, 12:09 PM
fair enough. But we all know that Insigne process started before BB arrived and Soteldo exit process as well. So posters saying “terrible signing BB is a disaster” aren’t fair or accurate, or even responsible. I am sure he could have said “no” but really these are Manning moves. Everything else, particularly the clear out, is BB’s responsibility, for better and for worse.
I understand where you are coming from. Some things are always in process before a new coach or GM arrives. Now that said, before Bob agrees to come in he would certainly have a conversation with Manning about what is in process and if he agrees with it.

Otherwise the job is potentially non-tenable even before he starts. The position is no longer Coach / Manager, it’s basically signing up to be Bill Manning’s bag-man. Anyone foolish enough to go for that, deserves what they get.

As far as I’m concerned they are both in play. Bob is an experienced enough guy who has publicly been given enough responsibility where he wears everything top-to-bottom. Manning is coming off some poor choices and a team that is overall underperforming it’s spend. If this doesn’t lead to some solid success by end of next year, they can both be shown the door.

Not passing any judgment on Bob as yet. Manning I’m skeptical of because of the whole Curtis / Armas fiasco. Anyway, I guess we shall see where it all goes.

MikeForbes
05-23-2022, 12:37 PM
funny. My take is above.

You made some good points. This is pretty common for any fanbase to do. As a Dolphins fan, I remember Miami firing Mike Tannenbaum and promoting his assistant Chris Grier to GM. All the previous bad draft picks were automatically attributed to Tannenbaum and the hits were all the doing of Mike Grier.

Lil'John
05-23-2022, 03:59 PM
Just back (very delayed) from DC. Fun day. Great stadium.
The defence looked shaky every time we lost the ball in midfield. Salcedo is a shitshow.
We don't get past the half way line when we try to build from the back, but either long high passes forward (we now have Akinola and Kerr to bring them down) or fast low passes through the lines (to Nelson, for example) are working well.
We also look much livelier up front. We spoke to Jimenez after the game and he seemed pretty pleased to have Akinola beside him. Kosi is very good coming forward. Nelson makes things happen (although he needs to improve his final pass).
Kerr was our man of the match. Physical, skilful, fast. It was he that won the ball and gave to Jimenez for the first goal.

tfcfans
05-23-2022, 08:19 PM
You are frustrated and have been a supporter from 2007. Think of the poor souls who have followed the Leafs the last 55 years.:drinking:

I have suffered through about 50 years of that too (LOL)....sadly it’s turned to apathy now with the Leafs for me for another 11 months or so until the playoffs start again in 2023, as the rest of the regular season games seem meaningless to me now, as the Leafs will be judged solely on what they do in the playoffs — getting 115 points and AM scoring 60 goals ultimately meant nothing in the end - the season was a failure to me as they literally ended the same as the year before, in Game 7 of Round 1 and blowing a series lead in doing so.....

......obviously there is no comparison to TFC who’ve had an all time season in 2017 but they are becoming a parody right now to me of a team who doesn’t actually know how to develop players (or keep them healthy) despite having all the resources to do so - since 2018, how many new TFC academy players start regularly now for TFC?! (by that I mean play over 2000 minutes in a season which is about 65% of the Available minutes in a 34 game MLS season - in 2017 we had 10 (!) players play at least 2000 minutes that year....right now our best bets to reach those numbers are Alex Bono and Michael Bradley - yikes! and Jimenez (the best signing they’ve had in ages based on salary and performance) and Petrasso - the only “kid” that might stick as a full time starter right now (Nelson and Rutty still need to grow quite a bit).....

MightyDM
05-23-2022, 11:26 PM
I understand where you are coming from. Some things are always in process before a new coach or GM arrives. Now that said, before Bob agrees to come in he would certainly have a conversation with Manning about what is in process and if he agrees with it.

Otherwise the job is potentially non-tenable even before he starts. The position is no longer Coach / Manager, it’s basically signing up to be Bill Manning’s bag-man. Anyone foolish enough to go for that, deserves what they get.

As far as I’m concerned they are both in play. Bob is an experienced enough guy who has publicly been given enough responsibility where he wears everything top-to-bottom. Manning is coming off some poor choices and a team that is overall underperforming it’s spend. If this doesn’t lead to some solid success by end of next year, they can both be shown the door.

Not passing any judgment on Bob as yet. Manning I’m skeptical of because of the whole Curtis / Armas fiasco. Anyway, I guess we shall see where it all goes.

Fair. about where I am at too.

Oldtimer
05-24-2022, 08:13 AM
You made some good points. This is pretty common for any fanbase to do. As a Dolphins fan, I remember Miami firing Mike Tannenbaum and promoting his assistant Chris Grier to GM. All the previous bad draft picks were automatically attributed to Tannenbaum and the hits were all the doing of Mike Grier.

Vanney had a strange kind of reverse of that throughout his tenure (among a certain subset, at least). Every loss was "his fault." Winning the treble was "just because MLSE spent so much on players and had zero to do with him." Great signings were because of Lieweke or Bez. Bad or mediocre signings were "a Vanney signing." He's the only coach I know who won everything except the continental championship and still had people clamoring for him to be let go. I think some people were thinking we'd get a top 10 world class coach to replace him... but then what would you win beyond what Vanney won? Maybe if we had Klopp the CCL as well? TFC came awfully close to that too under Vanney.

Blindside16
05-25-2022, 01:30 AM
I agree -- it reminds me of how every rush up the ice in hockey now involves dropping the puck back to the last guy so that everyone can race to the opposing blue line and then stop so as to not go offside and let the trailing man carry the puck over the line while everyone stands still -- drives me nuts.....sorry for the hockey reference....but I agree with your point -- it is being coached into them it seems....

I literally yelled at my tv every time the Leafs did this

MightyDM
05-25-2022, 09:53 PM
Vanney had a strange kind of reverse of that throughout his tenure (among a certain subset, at least). Every loss was "his fault." Winning the treble was "just because MLSE spent so much on players and had zero to do with him." Great signings were because of Lieweke or Bez. Bad or mediocre signings were "a Vanney signing." He's the only coach I know who won everything except the continental championship and still had people clamoring for him to be let go. I think some people were thinking we'd get a top 10 world class coach to replace him... but then what would you win beyond what Vanney won? Maybe if we had Klopp the CCL as well? TFC came awfully close to that too under Vanney.

he did a great job for us and despite all of that unfair criticism - which you have reported accurately - will always be a legend here. The Tims played their part too; and we should never forget that MB, Gio and Jozy carried this team but the arrival oF Moor, VV, Morrow and Beitashour really put us over the top