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OgtheDim
05-09-2022, 06:39 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixvyqLcm7Kc



28 degrees is the forecast for the city that day

Sure, the team isn't very good but you can't tell me we all haven't been looking forward to a warm day near the lake to watch a game

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Have at It People

Red CB Toronto
05-09-2022, 12:50 PM
The burning question before anything else is who is in, whose out and will we see another short term signing or two? Also Kobe and Steffen have maxed out there short term deals for the season so will they potentially be signed to a home grown first team deal like Themi was last week? Lots could change over the next couple days, we simply do not know what the team will look like come Saturday. Time will tell.

MightyDM
05-09-2022, 05:00 PM
I am enjoying seeing the younger players get a look in - suspect its challenging for the coaches given it isn't just one or two, but they did OK v Vancouver. Admittedly, Vancouver is terrible. Still.

OgtheDim
05-13-2022, 06:11 AM
Orlando has a lot of speed - just not much scoring capability. Another team who likes to win 1-0.

MikeForbes
05-13-2022, 08:36 AM
Antonio Carlos is out for Orlando tomorrow. He is one of the best CBs in MLS, in my opinion.

MikeForbes
05-13-2022, 12:46 PM
https://twitter.com/LeachCityNewsTO/status/1525160318875357185?s=20&t=B8VmpJpFyRiK35QIxxiIJA

Red CB Toronto
05-13-2022, 03:28 PM
https://twitter.com/LeachCityNewsTO/status/1525160318875357185?s=20&t=B8VmpJpFyRiK35QIxxiIJA
Oso and Noble also out too. Hope it is not too serious for Oso, seems to be dragging its feet.

OgtheDim
05-13-2022, 07:37 PM
FWIW, Orlando flew in today

https://twitter.com/SportsAviation/status/1525243855356022784

MightyDM
05-14-2022, 12:43 AM
Is Priso back? I hope he gets the start. Poor kid was devestated v Cincy

Red CB Toronto
05-14-2022, 06:51 AM
Is Priso back? I hope he gets the start. Poor kid was devestated v Cincy

Yep he will be, served his one game suspension last Sunday when the Reds took on the Whitecaps.

jloome
05-14-2022, 11:41 AM
My conspiracy self says maybe Oso is sitting a couple for tightness and maybe he wants BB to recognize that Michael doesn’t have the transitional pace to start any more. Abs are a little sore, timing is right….

Probably not, I know.

Add a solid DM to prevent the team being caught out of defensive shape and 80% of our problems disappear.

OgtheDim
05-14-2022, 12:45 PM
It is a great day for a game. Been 3 years since we have enjoyed a summer game. Going to enjoy the weather and the feeling.

MikeForbes
05-14-2022, 01:34 PM
The lineup. No Pozuelo and a rough looking bench.

https://twitter.com/TorontoFC/status/1525540160854704131?s=20&t=bn93Yifa2fNGHPZSJwZbzQ

noxx98
05-14-2022, 01:41 PM
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the summer of Perruzza gets going on the first summer matchday of the season.

OgtheDim
05-14-2022, 01:57 PM
Even when we are crap, people want to see a game. Expect 20k plus today.

MikeForbes
05-14-2022, 02:20 PM
Let's see if Priso can get to the 10 minute mark today.

OgtheDim
05-14-2022, 02:21 PM
I have decided that the only way to enjoy this year is to be slightly drunk.

Through the anthems, it seems to be working.

rydermike
05-14-2022, 02:25 PM
4-3-3 like TSN showed or would a 4-4-2 withe perruzza and Jesus up front be more likely?

MikeForbes
05-14-2022, 02:26 PM
Orlando only starts one American. I wonder if their fans get upset about the lack of domestic players?

jloome
05-14-2022, 02:27 PM
Is Pozuelo injured?

MikeForbes
05-14-2022, 02:28 PM
Is Pozuelo injured?

According to Wileman he picked up a knock in training yesterday.

rydermike
05-14-2022, 02:28 PM
4-3-3 like TSN showed or would a 4-4-2 withe perruzza and Jesus up front be more likely?

Looks like a 4-1-4-1

jloome
05-14-2022, 02:32 PM
Am I going to start hating on PRO this early in the game? Really?

Just once, I want an MLS game that doesn't hang on the ref mistakes.

MikeForbes
05-14-2022, 02:33 PM
Kara is an absolute monster of a man.

jloome
05-14-2022, 02:36 PM
I wonder if we'll deal Poz.

He isn't positionally disciplined and he isn't fast anymore. He's had more good games than bad, but I can see Bradley seeing him as part of the reason we're so poor in transition.

He might consider his trade value on a deal year and try to move him.

MikeForbes
05-14-2022, 02:41 PM
Started pretty brightly here.

jloome
05-14-2022, 02:43 PM
That was a little concerning. They had an obvious press situation after the turnover and Peruzza had to call Nelson up to press properly.

jloome
05-14-2022, 02:49 PM
Our young guys are pretty naive. Nelson should've been guiding that fullback to his outside foot by pressing tight, instead he shoves him in the back in clear view of the ref.

If he forces him to his outside foot, the guy has to either boot it down the line or cut it back to the goalie, at which point, Jimenez is a threat to intercept it.

jloome
05-14-2022, 02:50 PM
Geez McNauhgton did brilliantly there. Dummied staying in cover, then closed and blocked him.

OgtheDim
05-14-2022, 02:55 PM
To anyone who says this team means nothing in this town. Every section is 2/3 rds full.

Sure the team is crap.

But this game means something in this city.

jloome
05-14-2022, 02:57 PM
Clean, you stupid ref! All ball and shoulder!

Fuck me, none of these guys are ever officiating at a higher level.

portu
05-14-2022, 02:57 PM
Anyone have a stream can't find one

MikeForbes
05-14-2022, 03:00 PM
Orlando starting to get going now. Our guys just don't look likely to create that big chance. This is the kind of game Insigne will make all the difference.

jloome
05-14-2022, 03:00 PM
AAARGh. Nelson going backwards when we we're on the front foot with numbers.

He's not having a terrible half, they're all playing okay, at least. But he does a lot that's infuriating.

MikeForbes
05-14-2022, 03:02 PM
AAARGh. Nelson going backwards when we we're on the front foot with numbers.

He's not having a terrible half, they're all playing okay, at least. But he does a lot that's infuriating.

I'll give him a pass because he is young, but right now he has "all the tools, no toolbox".

OgtheDim
05-14-2022, 03:02 PM
Priso is.... useful

jloome
05-14-2022, 03:03 PM
Priso is.... useful

Yeah, he's looking very slick and decisive so far.

EDIT: He's also playing as a true anchor which is really cutting down on Orlando's ability to move around the middle.

Auzzy
05-14-2022, 03:03 PM
Sometimes I've been critical of MB but he's played decent so far. Some critical interventions, and some good ball movement.

I was worried who would move the ball forward with Poz and Shaff both out. But they've done some good things so far this game, moving it via committee. And yes that makes me wonder about Poz a bit.

Hard to see how long TFC keeps this up. Sad to have such a thin bench in this weather. Defence still a bit shaky but not cracking yet.

Perruzza seems off the pace so far. Hopefully he'll prove me wrong soon.

MikeForbes
05-14-2022, 03:04 PM
Perruzza is not exactly made to play as a RW.

jloome
05-14-2022, 03:06 PM
Sometimes I've been critical of MB but he's played decent so far. Some critical interventions, and some good ball movement.

I was worried who would move the ball forward with Poz and Shaff both out. But they've done some good things so far this game, moving it via committee. And yes that makes me wonder about Poz a bit.

Hard to see how long TFC keeps this up. Sad to have such a thin bench in this weather. Defence still a bit shaky but not cracking yet.

Perruzza seems off the pace so far. Hopefully he'll prove me wrong soon.

With MB not having to always scramble back because Priso is already there, and Kerr able to get back and play two ways from speed...

So... yeah, I think Poz being slower is an issue in the transitional game. He does bring a lot offensively, but he's never been a two-way player, let's face it.

MB's issues can be reduced greatly with a DM out there.

Fucking great save from Bono.

Auzzy
05-14-2022, 03:07 PM
Ok let's be honest: could Westberg have saved that freekick?

MikeForbes
05-14-2022, 03:08 PM
Ok let's be honest: could Westberg have saved that freekick?

Nah. That is the advantage Bono has. He is tall. And dreamy.

jloome
05-14-2022, 03:09 PM
For a league in which the Refs miss so much, it really is way too strict the rest of the time. There's not an inch given or benefit of the doubt to the defender EVER. And a yellow for passing the ball back a split second late? Fuck off.

jloome
05-14-2022, 03:10 PM
Both teams playing very solidly defensively.

ag futbol
05-14-2022, 03:12 PM
Perruzza is not exactly made to play as a RW.
I was going to write exactly that. This is a pretty lazy use of a decent prospect

MikeForbes
05-14-2022, 03:13 PM
Orlando's depth is gonna kill us in the second half.

Auzzy
05-14-2022, 03:14 PM
Nah. That is the advantage Bono has. He is tall. And dreamy.

When is Adrian Cann going to start a modelling agency for current and former TFC players?

FootBallAZ
05-14-2022, 03:15 PM
Nah. That is the advantage Bono has. He is tall. And dreamy.

I would think so the ball curled back towards the middle. Was a easier save than looked, wasn't truly top corner.


The real questions is how much longer can you live with Bono turning the ball over and lose possession.

Even when he used his arms or passed to Salcedo passed it back to Bono then out of bounds.


Possession is really being under rated here unless the philosophy is to kick it as hard and inaccurate as possible to either cause chaos or allow them to have the ball so tfc can press

FootBallAZ
05-14-2022, 03:17 PM
How did Bradley get a yellow, when their own player fell over themselves.

Peruzza is insanely selfish, can't make the right pass to for the sake of the team.

I ll never get passing backwards or playing so slow.


Or the fact there is no support when we have the ball- it's always 1 red vs 3 or 4 Orlando

Auzzy
05-14-2022, 03:17 PM
I would think so the ball curled back towards the middle. Was a easier save than looked, wasn't truly top corner.


The real questions is how much longer can you live with Bono turning the ball over and lose possession.

Even when he used his arms or passed to Salcedo passed it back to Bono then out of bounds.


Possession is really being under rated here unless the philosophy is to kick it as hard and inaccurate as possible to either cause chaos or allow them to have the ball so tfc can press

True, but sometimes it's ok to have a beer and admit that Bono is tall and dreamy. ;)

ag futbol
05-14-2022, 03:17 PM
I don’t think anyone has any illusions here about how bad Bono is with the ball at his feet.

Now that said, it was a fine save. That wasn’t a regular curling shot, he had all sorts of movement on it. It would have been an easy one to whif at and watch it sail into the net.

OgtheDim
05-14-2022, 03:18 PM
Yeah, I'm expecting a goal against in the first 10 of the next half


But there are way worse places to be then BMO on a sunny day with 20 k or so.

Based on half time fitness, Ayo and O'Neil may be in some time in the second half.

OgtheDim
05-14-2022, 03:19 PM
True, but sometimes it's ok to have a beer and admit that Bono is tall and dreamy. ;)

I've had 4 and that's not enough to call him dreamy.

MikeForbes
05-14-2022, 03:19 PM
I was going to write exactly that. This is a pretty lazy use of a decent prospect

And you just know he is gonna be the first guy subbed off in the second half.

ag futbol
05-14-2022, 03:24 PM
And you just know he is gonna be the first guy subbed off in the second half.
Am I nuts for thinking the obvious thing to do is play 2 up top? Jimenez isn’t great at holding up the ball and JP is actually decent at it

MikeForbes
05-14-2022, 03:24 PM
If the team is really in for Destro, where exactly does that leave Perruzza? He is gonna be behind him, Jesus and Ayo. A loan to a CPL side might be the best thing for him.

jloome
05-14-2022, 03:24 PM
And you just know he is gonna be the first guy subbed off in the second half.
I suspect that's a tactical choice. They expect most of our balls in to come from the left so they want him going to the back post,
as teams
will key on Jesus in the middle.

MikeForbes
05-14-2022, 03:25 PM
Am I nuts for thinking the obvious thing to do is play 2 up top? Jimenez isn’t great at holding up the ball and JP is actually decent at it

I thought this lineup was screaming out to be a 4-4-2 with Kerr as the wide guy on the right and Perruzza and Jesus upfront.

jloome
05-14-2022, 03:26 PM
He's playing as a "false" wing, with Kerr handling the transition on that side.

Bushmancan
05-14-2022, 03:27 PM
Don’t like that substitution at all. Hope I’m wrong.

Thought Priso was playing really well.

MikeForbes
05-14-2022, 03:28 PM
Very interesting change.

jloome
05-14-2022, 03:29 PM
Don’t like that substitution at all. Hope I’m wrong.

Very aggressive, not sure why he did that.

Maybe he sees Orlando as beatable with our normal non-anchor system, but it seems a hell of a gamble, especially as the kid was playing well and moving us forward.

Auzzy
05-14-2022, 03:30 PM
I've had 4 and that's not enough to call him dreamy.

4 BMO Field beers? Did you win the lottery?

We won't get a clean sheet until they end the clean sheet challenge. They always jinx it at halftime.

OgtheDim
05-14-2022, 03:31 PM
Priso already missed - big fat hole in the middle

jloome
05-14-2022, 03:31 PM
He'd begun to creep forward and help offensively towards the end of the half. Maybe Bradley saw something in how poorly Orlando reacted to the #6 hole being empty and decided we could use another scorer.

OgtheDim
05-14-2022, 03:32 PM
4 BMO Field beers? Did you win the lottery?



Went to the Craft before I got here.

jloome
05-14-2022, 03:33 PM
He may figure Orlando doesn't have the team speed to transition quickly, period. Otherwise, doesn't make sense except as a bold gamble to overpower them, which seems unlikely.

DSouzaZ
05-14-2022, 03:33 PM
Am I nuts for thinking the obvious thing to do is play 2 up top? Jimenez isn’t great at holding up the ball and JP is actually decent at it

This is exactly what I have been saying. Jimenez is not someone that can lead the line. He'd be great with a partner that can hold up the ball and link up well. The kind of player that occupy defenders and create even more space for Jimenez to find space in the pockets between the lines.

MikeForbes
05-14-2022, 03:34 PM
For a fleeting second Alex Bono thought he was Alisson.

MikeForbes
05-14-2022, 03:35 PM
Honestly, Kosi might be the best of the kids.

jloome
05-14-2022, 03:35 PM
Man... Thompson beats two guys and both strikers are inside their cover... and he pulls it back.

Ouch.

Auzzy
05-14-2022, 03:36 PM
What a find Lukas MacNaughton was. Perfectly executed shoulder tackle, makes Orlando put it out for a goal kick.

jloome
05-14-2022, 03:37 PM
Also... how many crosses are we going to drop short this year?

Auzzy
05-14-2022, 03:38 PM
Yes Torres the BMO Field pitch is very nice, why don't you lie down and relax for another 10 minutes?

MikeForbes
05-14-2022, 03:39 PM
Alright. Perruzza off.

jloome
05-14-2022, 03:39 PM
Good, Rothrock has potential. Not that Jordan doesn't, but he's not really a winger.

Rothrock played really well at TFCII last year.

rydermike
05-14-2022, 03:40 PM
Interested to see what Rothrock can do with more than 2 minutes of play time. I liked what I saw from him last year with TFC2.

This is the last time he can play on 4days

jloome
05-14-2022, 03:42 PM
Bad choice, Ayo. Shit. Jimenez isolated his man and could've gone behind there.

Auzzy
05-14-2022, 03:42 PM
Paging Red CB, the howmanyeth player is that to see the field for TFC?

I missed that Rothrock already played previous TFC I games?

MikeForbes
05-14-2022, 03:42 PM
0-0 draw incoming.

jloome
05-14-2022, 03:43 PM
0-0 draw incoming.

Don't fucking say that. Jesus.

rydermike
05-14-2022, 03:44 PM
0-0 draw incoming.
Last game you called Bono clean sheet and they scored tight after lol

MikeForbes
05-14-2022, 03:46 PM
Last game you called Bono clean sheet and they scored tight after lol

6-0 Orlando win incoming.

jloome
05-14-2022, 03:46 PM
6-0 Orlando win incoming.

That's more like it.

portu
05-14-2022, 03:47 PM
The fact that this TFC doesn’t get railroaded is testament to Bob Bradley

jloome
05-14-2022, 03:50 PM
Has Ayo grown more or is he just bigger than I remember?

Auzzy
05-14-2022, 03:52 PM
I hope that Ogthedim will let me say that MacNaughton is dreamy: sees that Akinola is in a tight spot, immediately gets in position to receive an easy backpass & relieve the pressure.

MikeForbes
05-14-2022, 03:55 PM
Has Ayo grown more or is he just bigger than I remember?

He definitely looks wider. In a good way.

rydermike
05-14-2022, 03:55 PM
Has Ayo grown more or is he just bigger than I remember?
He's always been a bit big, but he definitely looks a little pudgier than I remember, but maybe it's because I'm comparing him to Nelson and Co who are super slim guys

jloome
05-14-2022, 03:55 PM
Orlando may lead the league in dramatic bullshit. Guy shoves his man right in front of the ref but Oh, they are so aggrieved. It's practically Shakespeare.

jloome
05-14-2022, 03:58 PM
Man, you have to give Jayden credit for his ball sense. He'll be a force as a defensive forward if he works on his speed of pressing.

MikeForbes
05-14-2022, 03:58 PM
Alex Pato never reaching his potential is a sad story. What a player he was for Milan.

rydermike
05-14-2022, 03:59 PM
Toronto: has children on the bench
Orlando: has a former Serie A and Brazil international on the bench

jloome
05-14-2022, 04:00 PM
Alex Pato never reaching his potential is a sad story. What a player he was for Milan.

To be fair, the hype was ungodly. I saw him play in Edmonton as a 17 year old and the journalists were basically writing, "He will be the greatest striker in the history of football." It must've been impossible pressure to live with.

OgtheDim
05-14-2022, 04:00 PM
I hope that Ogthedim will let me say that MacNaughton is dreamy: sees that Akinola is in a tight spot, immediately gets in position to receive an easy backpass & relieve the pressure.

McNaughton is dreamy. End of

Bono is not

jloome
05-14-2022, 04:04 PM
Caldwell misses Rothrock being pushed on the challenge, which caused the trip.

He's more inconsistent than PRO.

jloome
05-14-2022, 04:07 PM
Give Bradley credit, too: he realized Orlando didn't have the team speed to take advantage of our defensive issues and we've been more dangerous with Ayo on. (Rothrock's done really well, too.)

jloome
05-14-2022, 04:08 PM
Orlando has switched defensively to a central block to account for our extra attacker.

Auzzy
05-14-2022, 04:08 PM
Caldwell misses Rothrock being pushed on the challenge, which caused the trip.

He's more inconsistent than PRO.

And Caldwell almost never admits he's wrong even when it's totally obvious in the replay.

He earned two STFUs from me early in this game. Like "there wasn't much in it" after a blatantly obvious foul against TFC.

jloome
05-14-2022, 04:09 PM
BetFair made Jesus joint favorite to win the Golden Boot yesterday.

jloome
05-14-2022, 04:10 PM
And Caldwell almost never admits he's wrong even when it's totally obvious in the replay.

He earned two STFUs from me early in this game. Like "there wasn't much in it" after a blatantly obvious foul against TFC.

Oh yeah, we breathe on a guy and he says we committed a foul. They shove a TFC player to the ground and "he went down pretty easy."

(And as I say that he gets one right.)

jloome
05-14-2022, 04:10 PM
Rothrock working the crowd. Awesome.

MikeForbes
05-14-2022, 04:11 PM
Nice touch from Rothrock. I would imagine he'll get a contract for a year or two.

jloome
05-14-2022, 04:12 PM
Ayo's been really strong this half. Dude plays like this for 60 plus a few times, he's going to get goals.

rydermike
05-14-2022, 04:13 PM
Of course

jloome
05-14-2022, 04:13 PM
FUCK.

OgtheDim
05-14-2022, 04:13 PM
Lol....

MikeForbes
05-14-2022, 04:14 PM
Fuck!!!

MikeForbes
05-14-2022, 04:15 PM
The guys probably didn't deserve to win, but they definitely did not deserve to lose this.

jloome
05-14-2022, 04:15 PM
That's a hard one, boys. Not like we played badly today. Not enough created offensively, lots of small poor decisions based on experience, but no boneheaded shit.

Felt they deserved a little more.

jloome
05-14-2022, 04:17 PM
Harsh, harsh, harsh.

MikeForbes
05-14-2022, 04:17 PM
And the depth was the factor. Pato to Smith.

rydermike
05-14-2022, 04:18 PM
Are we back to 2007-2013 tfc? Giving up goals in the last 5 minutes to lose all the time

ag futbol
05-14-2022, 04:18 PM
McNaughton is dreamy. End of

Bono is not
McDreamy was a good pickup.

OgtheDim
05-14-2022, 04:18 PM
2023 is ok but damn....

Auzzy
05-14-2022, 04:20 PM
Ok suggestion for a new contest for TFC: dropping points in extra time = one free beer for everyone at BMO.

It was nice chatting, I'm out.

Auzzy
05-14-2022, 04:22 PM
McDreamy was a good pickup.

© will go to ag futbol, McDreamy is Lukas' new nickname.

stevep
05-14-2022, 04:25 PM
Well that’s $22 I won’t get back
what a boring game
tfc2 players
not even worth $22
note to self l: don’t even think if going to see this team till July

OgtheDim
05-14-2022, 04:25 PM
This has 2014 vibes...

stevep
05-14-2022, 04:39 PM
The fact that this TFC doesn’t get railroaded is testament to Bob Bradley
No it’s not
orlando was deliberately not trying
kicking the ball right at Bono or out of play
even with Orlando not really trying this sad sack. Re could not score

OgtheDim
05-14-2022, 04:48 PM
You know we lost.

&

24k came out to see a crap team.

stevep
05-14-2022, 04:50 PM
26k was the attendance

rydermike
05-14-2022, 05:04 PM
Well Antonoglou has now been loaned to TFCII ahead of their game in 15 minutes at BMO. He and Pearlman both starting since they didn't play for the first team
https://www.torontofc.ca/news/toronto-fc-loan-themi-antonoglou-to-toronto-fc-ii

notthesun
05-14-2022, 06:22 PM
I couldn't watch, how was Priso?

Really rooting for him to get back to himself after a tough start. He has everyday starter potential IMO.

Red CB Toronto
05-14-2022, 10:03 PM
To be fair, the hype was ungodly. I saw him play in Edmonton as a 17 year old and the journalists were basically writing, "He will be the greatest striker in the history of football." It must've been impossible pressure to live with.

I saw play for Brazil in Met Life vs. the US in August of 2010, almost a mere 12 years ago. He scored in that match and the thing to remember from a that match, a 2-0 Brazil win was it marked Neymar's first cap.

Hala Hrvatska
05-15-2022, 05:50 AM
Where to start? What an absolute s.hit show this team has become. Its worse than the expansion days...the product on the field is frankly embarrassing and sorry, won't be paying to watch untalented cpl and tfc kids lose game after game. 5 in a row and 3 were against teams almost as bad as us in Cini and Van. The sad part is, we haven't even hit rock bottom.

I went to the home opener and sat through that humiliation and said here we might not win a game again unitl Insigne comes and that it would be too late by the time he came, we'd be too far out of the playoff spots. Well, somehow we won a few games but now with 5 losses in a row, including being shut out the last 3, we are in a free fall and back to where I thought we'd be, the worst team in all the mls by far.

Filled with cpl level (at most) and tfc kids without any potential apart from say 1 or 2...yet we start like 7 of them and it shows, we blow. Whose idiotic idea was it to not have any msl calibre full backs on the roster? Bradley the american college coach or manning the cluelss baseball exec?

We are large market and one of the highest payrolls in the league, and this is the absolute garbage team put out there? Attendance will plummet as this team continues to lose.

And why the phuck was Bradley hired? Another clueless American running us to the ground. And making it worse his way past his prime and slow as molasses son is on the team..and won't be taken off ever. Dear old dad sees nothing wrong as his son jogs around at half pace and our midfield gets run over game after game...both bradley's have no business on this team, and now we are stuck with them for years....unbelievable.

And can someone tell me how Manning continually escapes any accountability for this disaster of a team? Highest payroll and large market yet now will miss the playoffs for the third time in 4 years. What will it take for the club to get rid of Manning ffs? The worse he runs us into the ground the more he seems to entrench himself into getting more leeway for some damn reason...

Sorry for the rant, but this is an absolute fiasco what has happened this year...and there is no ending in sight. Insigne will come and nothing will change...he'll be surrounded by crap and we'll be so far out of the playoffs already it won't matter. I can only imagine what he is thinking if he is watching this drek....the money is great but imagine going for playing at the top level to playing with these cpl/tfc2 level players...shocking.

(rant over, thanks guys...had to get that off my chest).

stevep
05-15-2022, 08:13 AM
Where to start? What an absolute s.hit show this team has become. Its worse than the expansion days...the product on the field is frankly embarrassing and sorry, won't be paying to watch untalented cpl and tfc kids lose game after game. 5 in a row and 3 were against teams almost as bad as us in Cini and Van. The sad part is, we haven't even hit rock bottom.

I went to the home opener and sat through that humiliation and said here we might not win a game again unitl Insigne comes and that it would be too late by the time he came, we'd be too far out of the playoff spots. Well, somehow we won a few games but now with 5 losses in a row, including being shut out the last 3, we are in a free fall and back to where I thought we'd be, the worst team in all the mls by far.

Filled with cpl level (at most) and tfc kids without any potential apart from say 1 or 2...yet we start like 7 of them and it shows, we blow. Whose idiotic idea was it to not have any msl calibre full backs on the roster? Bradley the american college coach or manning the cluelss baseball exec?

We are large market and one of the highest payrolls in the league, and this is the absolute garbage team put out there? Attendance will plummet as this team continues to lose.

And why the phuck was Bradley hired? Another clueless American running us to the ground. And making it worse his way past his prime and slow as molasses son is on the team..and won't be taken off ever. Dear old dad sees nothing wrong as his son jogs around at half pace and our midfield gets run over game after game...both bradley's have no business on this team, and now we are stuck with them for years....unbelievable.

And can someone tell me how Manning continually escapes any accountability for this disaster of a team? Highest payroll and large market yet now will miss the playoffs for the third time in 4 years. What will it take for the club to get rid of Manning ffs? The worse he runs us into the ground the more he seems to entrench himself into getting more leeway for some damn reason...

Sorry for the rant, but this is an absolute fiasco what has happened this year...and there is no ending in sight. Insigne will come and nothing will change...he'll be surrounded by crap and we'll be so far out of the playoffs already it won't matter. I can only imagine what he is thinking if he is watching this drek....the money is great but imagine going for playing at the top level to playing with these cpl/tfc2 level players...shocking.

(rant over, thanks guys...had to get that off my chest).

what dumbfounds me is the nerve of TFC to start that lineup yesterday for all the people that travelled from far and wide in the province and to pay MLS ticket prices for essentially a TFC2 game??
They truly have zero respect for their fans.
what also dumbfounds me is no anger on this board from this action, I guess everyone here doesn't care about spending $150 for a pair of tickets for TFC2 games

Hala Hrvatska
05-15-2022, 08:36 AM
what dumbfounds me is the nerve of TFC to start that lineup yesterday for all the people that travelled from far and wide in the province and to pay MLS ticket prices for essentially a TFC2 game??
They truly have zero respect for their fans.
what also dumbfounds me is no anger on this board from this action, I guess everyone here doesn't care about spending $150 for a pair of tickets for TFC2 games

And add in parking and beer and food and its a huge amount of money to watch this absymal crap put out there...

Many here (I guess) are fine with using the "kids" but most if not all won't even be in the league in a few years...using "kids" if its a rebuild and they are talented and have a future is one thing...but these guys are not and are also out of position....its a fiasco.

Using "kids" if I may use Europe as an example..using a Vini Jr, Rodrygo or Camavinga at Real is okay as they have massive talent and potential...or a Pedri at Barcelona.....(not that any msl players are this level but my point is about using "kids")....you know they are super talented and you play a them in spots...

We are using cpl level (that's why they were there in the first place, simply not good enough) or tfc kids (again not good enough) as starters here...and we continually lose.

Am just dumbfounded that Manning wasn't already fired last year....yet he was allowed on and he brought bradely who remarkably with his idiotic roster decisions has made it worse than even that other cluelss american armas was...

I love tfc and watching games with my son and buddies....its a fun time out, but not anymore...until the team is entirely revamped I won't waste my money watching this crap. If I wanted to watch crap, I'd to watch forge or tfc2 or opdl and the ticket cost would be way less and I'd have way lower expectations....

#manningout!

noxx98
05-15-2022, 08:44 AM
Lukas MacNaughton was the only former CPL player to suit up for TFC last night. I actually thought he was good overall for us and was hardly the reason we lost. He's 27, so not exactly a "kid" but a good low cost squad player for the team.

Gogon
05-15-2022, 09:04 AM
(rant over, thanks guys...had to get that off my chest).

I like it. I agree . Word for word.

Gogon
05-15-2022, 09:07 AM
Using "kids" if I may use Europe as an example..using a Vini Jr, Rodrygo or Camavinga at Real is okay as they have massive talent and potential...or a Pedri at Barcelona.....(not that any msl players are this level but my point is about using "kids")....you know they are super talented and you play a them in spots...

This is exactly right. Another great example is how BVB introduced Sancho and Bellingham into the first team. TFC uses young players simply as fillers. Supporters pay the price figuratively and literally.

reggie
05-15-2022, 09:49 AM
they played hard yesterday and were unlucky to not to get points the last 2 games,other than tuning out at the end of the game to allow those 2 goals,but when paul rothrock no offence to him he gave them a spark,is taking your frree kicks late in a game,shows how bad this off season has been that is on bradley and manning,and what is with the injuries old guy young guys and the guys made of glass mavinga.

Initial B
05-15-2022, 09:50 AM
We need to remember that team building is not just something you can throw money at. You need to find which pieces work together the best and BB still in the process of this.

In my mind, the fiasco was last year. We've spent the last 18 months digging out from the hole that Armas and Curtis created. We knew what we were getting into this season and I'm surprised TFC was as high in the standings as they were at the quarter season mark. This is just a regression to the mean. I always want to give coaches 3 transfer windows to craft a team before rendering judgement (but the results last year made that impossible), so I'm waiting to see what next year brings. We should know by this time next year if the BB experiment has worked.

stevep
05-15-2022, 10:16 AM
they played hard yesterday and were unlucky to not to get points the last 2 games,other than tuning out at the end of the game to allow those 2 goals,but when paul rothrock no offence to him he gave them a spark,is taking your frree kicks late in a game,shows how bad this off season has been that is on bradley and manning,and what is with the injuries old guy young guys and the guys made of glass mavinga.


disagree completely about your off season comment
this off-season has been an an absolutely brilliant success
bring in a brand name coach, have him spew a bunch of bravado about a lot of work to do
play 7 youngsters that you are paying nothing and sell 26,000 tickets and $15 beers
the profit and the profit margins are out of this world
Absolutely brilliant!!
makes up for the last two years when you lost your shirt

reggie
05-15-2022, 10:29 AM
disagree completely about your off season comment
this off-season has been an an absolutely brilliant success
bring in a brand name coach, have him spew a bunch of bravado about a lot of work to do
play 7 youngsters that you are paying nothing and sell 26,000 tickets and $15 beers
the profit and the profit margins are out of this world
Absolutely brilliant!!
makes up for the last two years when you lost your shirt

dude ,,,i support the team win or lose,
i have a suggestion for you and the other part time supporters dont GO TO THE GAMES,

Hala Hrvatska
05-15-2022, 10:44 AM
dude ,,,i support the team win or lose,
i have a suggestion for you and the other part time supporters dont GO TO THE GAMES,

We won't...and ultimately as the attendance plummets, even less funds to fix this mess.

You can support win or lose...but this isn't some small market team with zero expectations...this is a complete disaster and zero squad planning and building.


I truly don't understand how Manning escapes any accountibility for this mess he created. HE brought in the overhis head curtis...HE brought in the over his head Armas....HE brought in clueless Bradley which also meant Bradley jr who has no business on the team anymore is here for many more years as well....

Supoorting win or lose is nice to say as a fan...but surely we are expecting to win...not being a laughingstock missing the playoffs yet again and being literally worse than expansion teams now....

What kind of roster has zero outside fullbacks on it? This is ALL on Bradley and the baseball guy Manning....

I think Manning must have nudes on MLSE leadership...its the only way explanation I can see that allows him to continually get away with disasterous decisions and running this team into the ground.

reggie
05-15-2022, 11:03 AM
We won't...and ultimately as the attendance plummets, even less funds to fix this mess.

You can support win or lose...but this isn't some small market team with zero expectations...this is a complete disaster and zero squad planning and building.


I truly don't understand how Manning escapes any accountibility for this mess he created. HE brought in the overhis head curtis...HE brought in the over his head Armas....HE brought in clueless Bradley which also meant Bradley jr who has no business on the team anymore is here for many more years as well....

Supoorting win or lose is nice to say as a fan...but surely we are expecting to win...not being a laughingstock missing the playoffs yet again and being literally worse than expansion teams now....

What kind of roster has zero outside fullbacks on it? This is ALL on Bradley and the baseball guy Manning....

I think Manning must have nudes on MLSE leadership...its the only way explanation I can see that allows him to continually get away with disasterous decisions and running this team into the ground.
i do agree with you on manning he is minor league caliber

noxx98
05-15-2022, 11:16 AM
I truly don't understand how Manning escapes any accountibility for this mess he created. HE brought in the overhis head curtis...HE brought in the over his head Armas....HE brought in clueless Bradley which also meant Bradley jr who has no business on the team anymore is here for many more years as well....

...

What kind of roster has zero outside fullbacks on it? This is ALL on Bradley and the baseball guy Manning....

Michael Bradley only has one more year (this year + an option next season) on his contract. If he's back again next year on a high salary we can call it a bad move, but when Bradley moved down to a TAM deal it was nearly unanimously lauded on these forums.

Manning also has never worked in baseball. If you're going to complain at least be accurate.

It's fair to place blame on Manning for the past few years, including Armas/Curis/Jozy/Gio. If you wanted him fired for that, I wouldn't argue with you. This year is all about resetting though and building for the future. We haven't given out a contract that handcuffs us. We've cleared out aging players. Insigne is coming soon. I don't think the moves this season in anyway support wanting Manning fired.

jloome
05-15-2022, 11:48 AM
We won't...and ultimately as the attendance plummets, even less funds to fix this mess.

You can support win or lose...but this isn't some small market team with zero expectations...this is a complete disaster and zero squad planning and building.


I truly don't understand how Manning escapes any accountibility for this mess he created. HE brought in the overhis head curtis...HE brought in the over his head Armas....HE brought in clueless Bradley which also meant Bradley jr who has no business on the team anymore is here for many more years as well....

Supoorting win or lose is nice to say as a fan...but surely we are expecting to win...not being a laughingstock missing the playoffs yet again and being literally worse than expansion teams now....

What kind of roster has zero outside fullbacks on it? This is ALL on Bradley and the baseball guy Manning....

I think Manning must have nudes on MLSE leadership...its the only way explanation I can see that allows him to continually get away with disasterous decisions and running this team into the ground.


Two weeks ago you were on this board apologizing and now you're calling one of the winningest coaches in the western hemisphere "clueless".

Do you never learn?

It's a rebuild season. We all knew that bringing in a guy with a resume and track record meant tearing it down and beginning again.

And even the most pro TFC folk don't have a lot of patience left for Manning.

But this outrage and sky-is-falling bullshit is juvenile and embarrassing to read. You act like you're owed something. You support a football club. You don't own the football club.

We just signed a top 100 player in the world, we got the co- Golden boot winner for 600k, and despite playing what amounts to an U23 team while we rebuild, we've beaten Philly and NYFC, two of the league's best.

if all that doesn't auger well for the future, i don't know what to tell you. The very definition of a fair weather fan is that they do nothing but complain and quit except when winning.

TheGoodson
05-15-2022, 11:53 AM
There were moments yesterday where you can see Bradley’s ideas on the pitch…

the problem is the majority of the kids which a lot of people on here were complaining to give the minutes are not good enough. And they were never good enough. But a lot of you thought you knew more then the coaching staff They need an influx of talent this window and imo this team will look significantly different and the results will improve

to everyone moaning, bitching and complaining why do you go to games? Everyone knew this is a transition year and if you expected a title contending team well then there is not much to say. So if you aren’t going to support the team don’t go. Fuck it seems like a lot of you just like to complain and you seem to be happy they loose.

honestly go support another team you all are exhausting

Hala Hrvatska
05-15-2022, 12:07 PM
Two weeks ago you were on this board apologizing and now you're calling one of the winningest coaches in the western hemisphere "clueless".

Do you never learn?

It's a rebuild season. We all knew that bringing in a guy with a resume and track record meant tearing it down and beginning again.

And even the most pro TFC folk don't have a lot of patience left for Manning.

But this outrage and sky-is-falling bullshit is juvenile and embarrassing to read. You act like you're owed something. You support a football club. You don't own the football club.

We just signed a top 100 player in the world, we got the co- Golden boot winner for 600k, and despite playing what amounts to an U23 team while we rebuild, we've beaten Philly and NYFC, two of the league's best.

if all that doesn't auger well for the future, i don't know what to tell you. The very definition of a fair weather fan is that they do nothing but complain and quit except when winning.

Yes I appologized about 4 weeks ago...and then this disaster of a 5 game losing streak happened which included to losing 3 games to two absolute dog s.hit teams in Cinci and Vancouver and 3 straight shut outs...

I never heard anyone say this is a "rebuild" season meaning we can miss the playoffs again? Did Manning and co say that anywhere?

Having no outside full backs isn't rebuilding, its a completely derilection of duty by Manning and Bradley. Playing "kids" that have no future here is not "rebuilding"...its pocketing money that the season ticket holders forked over expecting way more than this....

Call my comments juvenile or whatever you like but I think part of the reason Manning gets away with this s.hit (missing the playoffs yet again) is some fans like yourself are die-hard fans (great to see, and I am a loyal fan but my patience only goes so far....) guilably believe all the excuses and blindly follow and there is ZERO accountabilty for Manning. So he continues the bs and nothing changes.

My question, when is enough for Manning? How many more mistakes can he orchestrate before he is fired?

Hala Hrvatska
05-15-2022, 12:11 PM
There were moments yesterday where you can see Bradley’s ideas on the pitch…

the problem is the majority of the kids which a lot of people on here were complaining to give the minutes are not good enough. And they were never good enough. But a lot of you thought you knew more then the coaching staff They need an influx of talent this window and imo this team will look significantly different and the results will improve

to everyone moaning, bitching and complaining why do you go to games? Everyone knew this is a transition year and if you expected a title contending team well then there is not much to say. So if you aren’t going to support the team don’t go. Fuck it seems like a lot of you just like to complain and you seem to be happy they loose.

honestly go support another team you all are exhausting

A transition year? Is that what you were told? What does transition mean? Finish out of the playoffs again and be the worst team in the league like last year? I thought last year was a transition? How many molre of these transition years can we have?

We are playing "kids" that won't be here...they simply are not good enough and no amount of game time will make them good...most if not all have no future here. So we are further delaying the "transition" as we will need to keep changing the roster.

Sorry, that's the way I see it.

Like I said above, Vini Jr, Camavinga, Pedri etc is an example of playing "kids". They have talent and a future, we ware playing "kids" to fill roster spots and lose and they simply wont be good enough ever.

stevep
05-15-2022, 12:49 PM
A transition year? Is that what you were told? What does transition mean? Finish out of the playoffs again and be the worst team in the league like last year? I thought last year was a transition? How many molre of these transition years can we have?

We are playing "kids" that won't be here...they simply are not good enough and no amount of game time will make them good...most if not all have no future here. So we are further delaying the "transition" as we will need to keep changing the roster.

Sorry, that's the way I see it.

Like I said above, Vini Jr, Camavinga, Pedri etc is an example of playing "kids". They have talent and a future, we ware playing "kids" to fill roster spots and lose and they simply wont be good enough ever.

I suspect a lot of these replies are from bots, im pretty sure the reggie character is a bot

Richard
05-15-2022, 12:56 PM
At least we're not the Leafs!

OgtheDim
05-15-2022, 01:12 PM
to everyone moaning, bitching and complaining why do you go to games? Everyone knew this is a transition year and if you expected a title contending team well then there is not much to say. So if you aren’t going to support the team don’t go. Fuck it seems like a lot of you just like to complain and you seem to be happy they loose.




There are people complaining about this game who are not here when we win


***********


I'm not sold on Priso being crap but I am coming to the conclusion that Nelson can get to the ball but has no clue what to do when with it.


Akinola showed a lot in that second half - he is good & will do well off the bench or starting in July.




Bradely & Poz can't play together but I don't think what Bradley provides is more important then what Poz does.

Section 223
05-15-2022, 01:28 PM
There were moments yesterday where you can see Bradley’s ideas on the pitch…

the problem is the majority of the kids which a lot of people on here were complaining to give the minutes are not good enough. And they were never good enough. But a lot of you thought you knew more then the coaching staff They need an influx of talent this window and imo this team will look significantly different and the results will improve

to everyone moaning, bitching and complaining why do you go to games? Everyone knew this is a transition year and if you expected a title contending team well then there is not much to say. So if you aren’t going to support the team don’t go. Fuck it seems like a lot of you just like to complain and you seem to be happy they loose.

honestly go support another team you all are exhausting. and for all you loyal supporters where were you last season? Lucky if 1500 were in the stands. I suspect that without the news of Insigne coming in the numbers would be similar as to what we saw last year.

TheGoodson
05-15-2022, 01:32 PM
Mods ban me if you are inclined, but I take this shit anymore

SteveP - you are annoying as fuck all you do is complain. Honestly got get a hobby or something seriously. Your negativity is exhausting

Hala - no idea who you are. But if you are dumb enough to compare World class youth talent to players coming through an MLS academy maybe you stick to watching European football. Also, if you couldn’t see that there was need for a rebuild without explicitly being told it. I don’t know what to tell you.

TheGoodson
05-15-2022, 01:34 PM
. and for all you loyal supporters where were you last season? Lucky if 1500 were in the stands. I suspect that without the news of Insigne coming in the numbers would be similar as to what we saw last year.

i was at every game… had tickets since day 1. But go on…

where were you when we were shit? All of these whiners don’t understand how terrible this team has been. The majority of you only became fans when Seba showed up. So go on tell us how it is

Section 223
05-15-2022, 01:37 PM
Mods ban me if you are inclined, but I take this shit anymore

SteveP - you are annoying as fuck all you do is complain. Honestly got get a hobby or something seriously. Your negativity is exhausting

Hala - no idea who you are. But if you are dumb enough to compare World class youth talent to players coming through an MLS academy maybe you stick to watching European football. Also, if you couldn’t see that there was need for a rebuild without explicitly being told it. I don’t know what to tell you.
Goodson. You had some great info as to who this club was bringing in July , but man, I just don’t understand your thinking at all, we deserve better, I totally agree with everything that Hala and Steven have to say

TheGoodson
05-15-2022, 01:44 PM
Goodson. You had some great info as to who this club was bringing in July , but man, I just don’t understand your thinking at all, we deserve better, I totally agree with everything that Hala and Steven have to say

then you all don’t understand the realities of building a squad.. in a league with weird rules and having a calendar that is different then the majority of the world. The non sense on this board, is fucking exhausting. The majority only complain when we loose and besides that crickets..

so I think they should just fuck off and get a new hobby as they add absolutely nothing to the discussion.

again if the mods want to ban me I’m fine with it. I’m just sick of it all

Hala Hrvatska
05-15-2022, 01:46 PM
Mods ban me if you are inclined, but I take this shit anymore

SteveP - you are annoying as fuck all you do is complain. Honestly got get a hobby or something seriously. Your negativity is exhausting

Hala - no idea who you are. But if you are dumb enough to compare World class youth talent to players coming through an MLS academy maybe you stick to watching European football. Also, if you couldn’t see that there was need for a rebuild without explicitly being told it. I don’t know what to tell you.

Dude, take a deep breathe and carefully read what I wrote...I used those guys as an example as you keep this fale hope of us playing "kids"....like the future is bright with them. It isn't, they are not quality and have no business playing let alone us starting 7 of them and losing. tfc2 is a gong show...there isn't some Aphonso Davies there....and yet, we are starting them when even at tfc2 they are not good....

Manning has pulled the wool over your eyes....he never said we'd miss the playoffs this year and be so horrible...surely even as clueless as Manning is, he must know playing without actual full backs is not feasable unless you are tanking the season? And back to back diasaster seasons missing the playoffs...who cares if Insigne comes...we will miss the playoffs yet again and how many more losses will we have in May and June until he comes? And even when he comes, he is playing with cpl and tfc2 kids that should only be in cpl and or tfc2. He'll be shocked when he sees this s.hit or looks behind him and sees Bradley walking around and still taking free kicks...lol or Bono belting the ball out of bounds continually....

Face it, Manning must go and Bradley (both) shouldn't be here.

We'll be "rebuilding" next year again...for this unicornish "transition". Embarrassing for how big a club and market we are that we have to keep putting up with this crap.

reggie
05-15-2022, 01:47 PM
I suspect a lot of these replies are from bots, im pretty sure the reggie character is a bot
bots cant call you a moron like you really are...sorry a part time supporter moron

Hala Hrvatska
05-15-2022, 01:48 PM
then you all don’t understand the realities of building a squad.. in a league with weird rules and having a calendar that is different then the majority of the world. The non sense on this board, is fucking exhausting. The majority only complain when we loose and besides that crickets..

so I think they should just fuck off and get a new hobby as they add absolutely nothing to the discussion.

again if the mods want to ban me I’m fine with it. I’m just sick of it all

I won't "fuck off". I am a poster here and if the mods don't see any problem with my posts, surely I won't leave because some random guy like you is throwing a hissy fit because we are calling out the s.hit show this team is now. We all want better. This is completely unacceptable.

reggie
05-15-2022, 01:51 PM
Mods ban me if you are inclined, but I take this shit anymore

SteveP - you are annoying as fuck all you do is complain. Honestly got get a hobby or something seriously. Your negativity is exhausting

Hala - no idea who you are. But if you are dumb enough to compare World class youth talent to players coming through an MLS academy maybe you stick to watching European football. Also, if you couldn’t see that there was need for a rebuild without explicitly being told it. I don’t know what to tell you.
thank you.... :scarf:

stevep
05-15-2022, 01:55 PM
they played hard yesterday and were unlucky to not to get points the last 2 games,other than tuning out at the end of the game to allow those 2 goals,but when paul rothrock no offence to him he gave them a spark,is taking your frree kicks late in a game,shows how bad this off season has been that is on bradley and manning,and what is with the injuries old guy young guys and the guys made of glass mavinga.
Again I have to disagree with you
Mavinga is not made of glass
the Mavinga injuries are fake injuries
he is not really injured
they didn’t even bother trying to fake the Mavinga injury
they just had him pretend he pulled a muscle or whatever nonsenses injury they made up
i suspect he is playing elsewhere

reggie
05-15-2022, 01:58 PM
Again I have to disagree with you
Mavinga is not made of glass
the Mavinga injuries are fake injuries
he is not really injured
they didn’t even bother trying to fake the Mavinga injury
they just had him pretend he pulled a muscle or whatever nonsenses injury they made up
i suspect he is playing elsewhere
holy shit man....mavinga has been injured alot the last 3 years.tell me mr insider why would they fake a injury?

TheGoodson
05-15-2022, 02:02 PM
Honestly are you that Fucking dense???

do you think manning had anything to do with the day to day operations of the team? Decided who we sign and who gets traded. JFC. As I said in another thread yes Curtis was mistake, a big one. But let’s look at what manning actually has done:

puezelo - mvp good signing
Seba - not extending him was great. He fell off the cliff after he left so we would have been saddled with that contract
Jozy - bad extension knee jerk because of Seba
Curtis/Armas - terrible decision. But I will caveat if you sign a coach that wants to play a specific way you don’t give him the players what would you expect?
Bradley Jr - getting him to sign a tamdeal was fantastic and gave an option to find another dp
Bradley Sr - great hire accomplished coach in the league and has contacts all over the world see Jesus

so anyone who watched this team knew it needed to be rebuilt or retooled or what ever the fuck you want to call it. But because they didn’t explicitly say it…

I really don’t know what to tell you

stevep
05-15-2022, 02:22 PM
Honestly are you that Fucking dense???

do you think manning had anything to do with the day to day operations of the team? Decided who we sign and who gets traded. JFC. As I said in another thread yes Curtis was mistake, a big one. But let’s look at what manning actually has done:

puezelo - mvp good signing
Seba - not extending him was great. He fell off the cliff after he left so we would have been saddled with that contract
Jozy - bad extension knee jerk because of Seba
Curtis/Armas - terrible decision. But I will caveat if you sign a coach that wants to play a specific way you don’t give him the players what would you expect?
Bradley Jr - getting him to sign a tamdeal was fantastic and gave an option to find another dp
Bradley Sr - great hire accomplished coach in the league and has contacts all over the world see Jesus

so anyone who watched this team knew it needed to be rebuilt or retooled or what ever the fuck you want to call it. But because they didn’t explicitly say it…

I really don’t know what to tell you

this post is incongruent
At first you state Manning has nothing to do with the day to day operations of the team
which is correct
but then you state Manning was responsible for all these good actions

you need to calm down man
this board is a bastion of free speech
embrace it

TheGoodson
05-15-2022, 02:29 PM
Sorry I forgot to add he only deals with anything to do with DP’s the balance of what I said is correct

yes it’s free speech on this board and I stand by everything I said

Section 223
05-15-2022, 03:17 PM
Sorry I forgot to add he only deals with anything to do with DP’s the balance of what I said is correct

yes it’s free speech on this board and I stand by everything I said
Big 3 DPs we’re already in place when Manning arrived , we do not win MLS cup without the 3. Four years later under his watch look where we are.

Hala Hrvatska
05-15-2022, 03:30 PM
this post is incongruent
At first you state Manning has nothing to do with the day to day operations of the team
which is correct
but then you state Manning was responsible for all these good actions

you need to calm down man
this board is a bastion of free speech
embrace it

Well said bro. Not sure who this goodson is with all the swearing and ranting and raving and telling posters to f off...wow! lol

Maybe he's Manning's agent or something, who knows...lol

Bushmancan
05-15-2022, 03:31 PM
Lots to take in so a couple of thoughts…. and no need for the rage ( lots of opinions and not always going to be aligned)

Yes we can expect more from this team and we should. Yesterday we had no finishing or even real playmaking at all in the final 3rd (or at least some attempts that made Orlando work). Three scoreless games in a row against the bottom feeders of the league (ok maybe not Orlando) but we need to make teams worry. It is not good enough that management, even without our injuries have left the cupboard so bare.

So my hot take,

I thought Akinola looks really rusty and i hope all that it is, had a couple of opportunities to either play give and goes or send Jimenez on his way and didn’t. But yes he looks like he has bulked up.

Priso looked solid, stepping in and anticipation balls, I wonder if he was pulled for fitness reasons (haven’t seen any post game things) but if he can get in a grove he is a serviceable MLS (maybe more) player.

For the life of me, unless Rothrock is a spectacular free kick taker, why is he taking that free kick, that should never happen (you will remember 80+ Minute edge of the box and he sends it right into the wall)…uggh. That was a leadership failure, whether the coach or on the field. But that just cannot happen, there appeared to be no set play… shocking!!

On Mavinga, I wish i could remember the game but i can see the play clearly where he turned off last year under Armas, i honestly believe he doesn’t want to be here and is finishing his contract. Regardless, you cannot put Salcedo and Mavinga on at the same time (too similar) and dangerous. I thought McNaughton and Salcedo were solid most of yesterday. Salcedo takes risks but i kind of like him, be great if he can be bought down and bring in one more DP.

Why do I go to the games because I get to have a couple of beers with my friends and hopefully we can see some passion in our players and get to see some decent football with results. Pretty shitty when we play like this but I would spend the day a BMO before going to any other team…

BTW… we need a new bar to meet at.

Hala Hrvatska
05-15-2022, 03:32 PM
Big 3 DPs we’re already in place when Manning arrived , we do not win MLS cup without the 3. Four years later under his watch look where we are.

Right on the money....we are about to miss the playoffs for the third time in 4 years...all while having the highest payroll in the mls at his disposal last year....great job by Manning...not. A complete failure.

Credit to Manning though, the Insigne signing is a distraction from all his horrible hires/descisions and this season being another s.hit show like last year....

Hala Hrvatska
05-15-2022, 03:40 PM
Lots to take in so a couple of thoughts…. and no need for the rage ( lots of opinions and not always going to be aligned)

Yes we can expect more from this team and we should. Yesterday we had no finishing or even real playmaking at all in the final 3rd (or at least some attempts that made Orlando work). Three scoreless games in a row against the bottom feeders of the league (ok maybe not Orlando) but we need to make teams worry. It is not good enough that management, even without our injuries have left the cupboard so bare.

So my hot take,

I thought Akinola looks really rusty and i hope all that it is, had a couple of opportunities to either play give and goes or send Jimenez on his way and didn’t. But yes he looks like he has bulked up.

Priso looked solid, stepping in and anticipation balls, I wonder if he was pulled for fitness reasons (haven’t seen any post game things) but if he can get in a grove he is a serviceable MLS (maybe more) player.

For the life of me, unless Rothrock is a spectacular free kick taker, why is he taking that free kick, that should never happen (you will remember 80+ Minute edge of the box and he sends it right into the wall)…uggh. That was a leadership failure, whether the coach or on the field. But that just cannot happen, there appeared to be no set play… shocking!!

On Mavinga, I wish i could remember the game but i can see the play clearly where he turned off last year under Armas, i honestly believe he doesn’t want to be here and is finishing his contract. Regardless, you cannot put Salcedo and Mavinga on at the same time (too similar) and dangerous. I thought McNaughton and Salcedo were solid most of yesterday. Salcedo takes risks but i kind of like him, be great if he can be bought down and bring in one more DP.

Why do I go to the games because I get to have a couple of beers with my friends and hopefully we can see some passion in our players and get to see results. Pretty shitty when we play like this but I would spend the day a BMO before going to any other team…

BTW… we need a new bar to meet at.


Well said Bush. The sheer audacity of Rothrock to even think of taking a free kick is a shocking indictment of the team...surely Bradley talks to the team before and discusses who takes penalties, free kicks, etc...or maybe not. Wow.

Mavinga is collecting a paycheque, and running down the contract. A shame...he was good a few years back...but now has packed it in.

And Nelson, sorry but he runs around like a chicken with his head cut off...never looks up, dribbles until he loses it and has zero awareness on the defensive end...one time in the first half he had no idea his man ran in behind him in our box....or like in earlier games, literally "chickens" out of tackles and we've given up goals as a result like away at Columbus....

Bradley is useless...was good before but just can't move and gets overun in the midfield which is shocking because he doesn't even run box to box...he can't. Yet we know his dad won't take him off and he is an automatic starter no matter how bad he plays...and imagine what that does to the morale of the team seeing dad favour his son so much...even a game or so ago in the media blaming Poz for his son's mistake....unbelievable.

jloome
05-15-2022, 04:03 PM
thank you.... :scarf:

Certain folks are only interested in toxicity.
I have to remind myself to login; that
block function comes in handy at times like this.

Red CB Toronto
05-15-2022, 04:40 PM
On the bar front, you talking about Brazen Head , we just moved there after some stop gap time at Corks, which from the whole grocery store thing turned some off. Brazen has been very accommodating so far and have brought in our beer.


Lots to take in so a couple of thoughts…. and no need for the rage ( lots of opinions and not always going to be aligned)

Yes we can expect more from this team and we should. Yesterday we had no finishing or even real playmaking at all in the final 3rd (or at least some attempts that made Orlando work). Three scoreless games in a row against the bottom feeders of the league (ok maybe not Orlando) but we need to make teams worry. It is not good enough that management, even without our injuries have left the cupboard so bare.

So my hot take,

I thought Akinola looks really rusty and i hope all that it is, had a couple of opportunities to either play give and goes or send Jimenez on his way and didn’t. But yes he looks like he has bulked up.

Priso looked solid, stepping in and anticipation balls, I wonder if he was pulled for fitness reasons (haven’t seen any post game things) but if he can get in a grove he is a serviceable MLS (maybe more) player.

For the life of me, unless Rothrock is a spectacular free kick taker, why is he taking that free kick, that should never happen (you will remember 80+ Minute edge of the box and he sends it right into the wall)…uggh. That was a leadership failure, whether the coach or on the field. But that just cannot happen, there appeared to be no set play… shocking!!

On Mavinga, I wish i could remember the game but i can see the play clearly where he turned off last year under Armas, i honestly believe he doesn’t want to be here and is finishing his contract. Regardless, you cannot put Salcedo and Mavinga on at the same time (too similar) and dangerous. I thought McNaughton and Salcedo were solid most of yesterday. Salcedo takes risks but i kind of like him, be great if he can be bought down and bring in one more DP.

Why do I go to the games because I get to have a couple of beers with my friends and hopefully we can see some passion in our players and get to see results. Pretty shitty when we play like this but I would spend the day a BMO before going to any other team…

BTW… we need a new bar to meet at.

Bushmancan
05-15-2022, 04:45 PM
On the bar front, you talking about Brazen Head , we just moved there after some stop gap time at Corks, which from the whole grocery store thing turned some off. Brazen has been very accommodating so far and have brought in our beer.

Awesome, see you next game.

stevep
05-15-2022, 07:01 PM
Certain folks are only interested in toxicity.
I have to remind myself to login; that
block function comes in handy at times like this.


you’ve got your head in the sand buddy
these tfc2 guys are not at all mls quality
youre fooling yourself
if you want to spend your money paying top dollar to watch these guys play
i can’t understand it at all, but to each his own
but I can tell you this I will check the lineup one hour before the game starts
and if the staring lineups contains these tfc2 players there is no way I am going to buy your tickets off of you on ticketmaster for 50 cents on the dollar
find yourself another sucker
you pay $100 a ticket for yourself your friends your family
Go to town man
i won’t even pay $20
i won’t even pay $5 a ticket

MightyDM
05-15-2022, 07:38 PM
I’m with The Goodson. It’s interesting and exciting seeing the young players get their chance. From a roster building perspective, BB likely was over optimistic about being able to turn wingers into full backs (Shaff and JMR) but for me nothing else is a mistake - it you are going to clean house, clean house. It’s not like we can get relegated and if we are going to miss the playoffs the year when the CMNT is in the World Cup is the year to do it. While some of the youth might not be good enough, some have shown more than expected - Kosi for example - and taken their chance. Priso and Bradley looked like they are good together and he (Priso) will be brought along. My biggest worry is Poz. While we missed his creativity yesterday, he wasn’t himself last year and has been off the pace this year. Bob Bradley has been a breath of fresh air from the Armas/ Curtis debacle. I’d far rather see us start over the way he has than try to keep a few short term players who don’t want to be here just to get results. And Goodson, there are people in these boards you should just ignore. I do.

portu
05-15-2022, 07:40 PM
Largely out of hand (and off topic over here). Do we still have mods?

MightyDM
05-15-2022, 08:18 PM
FWIW I have never rated Manning. But he was smart to bring in BB who is a builder. And for those of us who are all over MB, he does a whole range of important things game after game that nobody notices he does them so well. Next time you go to BMO just watch him. Ignore everything else and you will see what I mean. Regardless, he’s a legend and deserves respect in these Boards. They way some talk about him is not worthy of a supporter of this club.

Blindside16
05-16-2022, 01:47 AM
Just my 2 cents but anyone that thinks this is bad was obviously not around in 2012 - 2013. Those 2 years I practically had to drag myself to BMO at times but I was still there. Should Manning be fired? I thought we should have gotten rid of him a few years ago, but I cannot make that call. None of us can. If you don't like the product in front of you, don't watch and don't go. No one is holding a gun to your head forcing you to shell out money if you don't want to. I could give a fiddlers fuck about how much people would or wouldn't spend to watch the game. To each their own

portu
05-16-2022, 08:59 AM
Just my 2 cents but anyone that thinks this is bad was obviously not around in 2012 - 2013. Those 2 years I practically had to drag myself to BMO at times but I was still there. Should Manning be fired? I thought we should have gotten rid of him a few years ago, but I cannot make that call. None of us can. If you don't like the product in front of you, don't watch and don't go. No one is holding a gun to your head forcing you to shell out money if you don't want to. I could give a fiddlers fuck about how much people would or wouldn't spend to watch the game. To each their own
Part of me thinks this is worse, at least as a fan. In the dark days my expectations were nil, so I was happy to go to BMO and see Robert Earnshaw nip a goal. Watching this team get on the stump and preach about how amazing they are and want to be and then completely faceplant has been so much harder for me.

Oldtimer
05-16-2022, 09:37 AM
then you all don’t understand the realities of building a squad.. in a league with weird rules and having a calendar that is different then the majority of the world. The non sense on this board, is fucking exhausting. The majority only complain when we loose and besides that crickets..

so I think they should just fuck off and get a new hobby as they add absolutely nothing to the discussion.

again if the mods want to ban me I’m fine with it. I’m just sick of it all

Not banning you at this point, but negativity when a team is losing is pretty common in all sports (especially in Toronto), so I'm going to suggest that you don't get upset about a few people who want to vent and tear everything down. :chillpill: Especially don't get so worked up that you are telling people to "fuck off." Leave the keyboard, talk a walk. Ignore them.

You've been on since 2015 and haven't seen some of the epic board meltdowns that happened 2011-2014! Those of us who have been around for a while know how dire it can get (when the team is in a funk) and how great it can get (when you win the treble). We also know from experience that changing coaches every year doesn't end well (basically every coach before Vanney).

For those of you who want to tear everything down and fire everybody because they couldn't convince Insigne to leave mid-season in Italy for Toronto, take a breath, step away from the keyboard, and go for a walk. It's beautiful weather and spring has come. Mid-season we'll get Insigne and almost certainly a few more players. Peace.

ag futbol
05-16-2022, 10:18 AM
epic board meltdowns that happened 2011-2014!
My still favourite thread of all time was the 100 pages on De Rosario which included a section where we discussed if Earl Cochrane should have received a trial request from Celtic in his fax machine, hahaha

Richard
05-16-2022, 11:44 AM
Yeah these boards are quite tame now. When we had Mo, Bernie and Cochrane running the ship everything was much more dire.

Although I will say in the short time Curtis and Armas were here they did quite a lot damage.

Richard
05-16-2022, 11:55 AM
FWIW I have never rated Manning. But he was smart to bring in BB who is a builder. And for those of us who are all over MB, he does a whole range of important things game after game that nobody notices he does them so well. Next time you go to BMO just watch him. Ignore everything else and you will see what I mean. Regardless, he’s a legend and deserves respect in these Boards. They way some talk about him is not worthy of a supporter of this club.

MB is a legend but just like with Jozy it doesn't mean we shouldn't move on. The team needs a destroyer DM who has pace and can pass with sharpness, we are not winning anything by covering his liabilities. I don't expect anything out of this season, however I do expect to see long term replacements brought in this season for the position MB plays.

In my opinion MB should have been phased out of a starting role three years ago, but hey we had Curtis with his head in the sand, and this year I am somewhat disappointed in Bob insisting on starting MB every game.

Bushmancan
05-16-2022, 12:50 PM
Ok seriously, where does Crisito play. CB with Salcedo? or LB with McNaughton, Salcedo and Thomson? or something else.

It is pretty obvious Salcedo is a risk taker (much like Mavinga a couple of years back), who is the steady CB marshaling the line?

No even going to speculate on who the DM is... but if we cannot stop goals from coming in, we better have the best offense in the league and a passable back line.

Section 223
05-16-2022, 01:19 PM
Ok seriously, where does Crisito play. CB with Salcedo? or LB with McNaughton, Salcedo and Thomson? or something else.

It is pretty obvious Salcedo is a risk taker (much like Mavinga a couple of years back), who is the steady CB marshaling the line?

No even going to speculate on who the DM is... but if we cannot stop goals from coming in, we better have the best offense in the league and a passable back line.
Criscito gives the back line instant stability, Salcedo settles down with Criscito on the field O’Neill and Mavinga also benefit with the experienced Italian, I have no worries , can’t wait this will be good

jabbronies
05-16-2022, 01:40 PM
Criscito gives the back line instant stability, Salcedo settles down with Criscito on the field O’Neill and Mavinga also benefit with the experienced Italian, I have no worries , can’t wait this will be good

Salcedo isn't the CB marshal I thought he'd be. He seems. more like a Mavinga type who destroys up high and moves the ball out from the back.

I'm assuming Cricito would fill that role of stay at home organizer?

Ultra & Proud
05-16-2022, 01:50 PM
I'm assuming Cricito would fill that role of stay at home organizer?

Probably will be this guy but does anyone know if he speaks English? I have no idea.

jloome
05-16-2022, 03:49 PM
Old defenders never work out in this league. I don’t think signing him will answer anything.

Plus, our defensive problems begin because we’re easily knocked off the ball and have poor midfield speed, leading to unstable transitions where we’re continually out of position. Having someone Marshall the back line won’t stop them from being pulled out of shape if they’re covering for an absent midfielder or two.

The DM should still be the priority.

Having said that, a stay at home defender who’s playing fullback in Italy is, at least, more likely to be fit and fast enough to put up with the insane disorganization in MLS compared to better leagues.

But, not a solution on his own.

Insigne will change a lot; if we’re getting twice as many balls into the box and shots on goal — which is what we’d require to be among league leaders — that’s a lot of time we’re not spending in our own end or transition.

Think about every ball one of the kids had in a good position to cross into the box or slip to a forward breaking the line and froze, or turned back, or chose the wrong pass.

Now consider half of those being dangerous crosses and diagonal balls to Jimenez. Plus, Insigne’s deadly from the top of the box. If they try to double him and close him, he puts it in for the forward. If they leave him open, he puts shots on goal.

If all we added was a DM and Insigne, we’d already be challenging for a playoff spot.

But without a more defensive midfield we’re fucked. We’ll pick up extra goals over our expected all season from Jimenez and Pozuelo because they’re both dangerous from anywhere around the box. But if we spend half the game chasing unmarked diagonal crosses into our own box, we’re fucked.

Bushmancan
05-16-2022, 04:57 PM
^ My thoughts exactly on having a much better offense, but we also need to work on the right side or teams will over play us much like they did with Piatti, that said he is far better. Have no clue what they are going to do in the midfield, would help with a healthy Priso, Osorio, Poz, Okello etc. but alas still no destroyer. :deadhorse:

los sonadores
05-16-2022, 07:16 PM
^ My thoughts exactly on having a much better offense, but we also need to work on the right side or teams will over play us much like they did with Piatti, that said he is far better. Have no clue what they are going to do in the midfield, would help with a healthy Priso, Osorio, Poz, Okello etc. but alas still no destroyer. :deadhorse:

Good analysis by JLoome.

About that destroyer, has Bob Bradley ever played with one? I don’t think he favours either destroyers or stay at home central defenders, not to mention conservatively positioned backs. It’s not simply that he ran out of time with having to run training camp and field a side but also a certain idea of how he wants his roster to play. It would not make sense for Vanney to play kids out of position at wing back but it does for Bradley.

It can be exciting football to watch when it works but we’ll probably have to wait for that stage.

Blindside16
05-17-2022, 02:06 AM
Part of me thinks this is worse, at least as a fan. In the dark days my expectations were nil, so I was happy to go to BMO and see Robert Earnshaw nip a goal. Watching this team get on the stump and preach about how amazing they are and want to be and then completely faceplant has been so much harder for me.

Fair point. I can remember thinking to myself at the start of the 2013 campaign thinking maybe things will get better this year but that quickly got stomped out. We know that given the right tools this team can be much better than what it has shown. Insigne alone is going to make a mockery of most MLS defenses and that should open Jesus a little more. I just wish that we could get a real medical and training staff on board. I get people are frustrated with playing the kids but who else is there...?? Oso and Mavinga have 1 good leg between them at the moment, Poz picked up a knock, JMR is still a month out, Shaff out hurt and the list goes on. Does that ultimately fall on BB and Manning's lap? Absolutely but there is nothing anyone can do about it right now. We are stuck with what we have until the transfer window ups in July. I was not expecting us to make the playoffs this year and will be happy if we manage to go on a run and do so. I am willing to be lenient and trust the process for now. However, come the start of next season I expect a contender for every trophy.

FootBallAZ
05-17-2022, 08:53 AM
i wanted to stop buying beers but the weather dictated other wise.

game was ugly- when they managed to press successfully bradley couldnt even make the simple pass/play.

my question ultimately is - why is bono still in need- id rather have westberg in and let that shot from the free kick that bono saved to get better control/command from the backline and most importantly to not give up possession so easily.

Is Bono being trained to kick it out of bounds or directly to the other team- so TFC can press to cause a turnover? It is not working.

every game I count minimum 10 turn overs-unforced errors really- the possession could have been easily 55% tfc- this is being over looked and is very questionable when Bono's best pass has been with his arm or 3 yards out(but then again our team keeps playing it back to bono -for another turnover)


its difficult enough to get the ball and once TFC gets it -it's turned over ASAP - how can there be any consistency or stability even for the young guys- no wonder they all look like they are running around with their head cut off.


most frustrating part- they lost back to back games on set pieces- why is TFC defending corner's difficult i dont understand they have 10 men back and jesus literally in the 18 yard back.


As for jesus- the old man shouldnt be required to come to half to help gain possession .

I also though akinola was better than most, he was able to hold up and control possession- his passing still off but he basically was the most dangerous and energetic player on the field .

Definitely missing Osorio and man Laryea speed alone was good for a corner, a cross,a free kick. hard not to be frustrated with manning

stevep
06-10-2022, 09:46 PM
i just watched the orlando goal in slow motion.
ayo why did you jump when the ball was already past you? did you not have enough time to jump when the ball was coming right at you from 100ft away?
Ayo why did you tilt your head sideways when you went to head it away? why didn't you jump straight up to meet the ball and head it away
ayo you are much taller than the little guy on orlando that scored, how did this happen? #really confused please explain Ayo
why did Caldwell say it was poor marking? i think it was not poor marking at all, it was an easy header away for TFC
#reallyconfused