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OgtheDim
03-27-2022, 10:32 AM
https://i.imgur.com/zqfI3xp.jpg


We always seem to have epic games against these guys


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Have at It People

Yuushalinsky
03-28-2022, 09:04 AM
Pigeon vs Hawk? Great photo

This one was really really interesting and if I didn't have a whole bunch of stuff this weekend I'd probably be going.

MikeForbes
03-30-2022, 09:57 AM
I selfishly hope Oso doesn't see much of the field tonight.

jloome
03-30-2022, 01:25 PM
I selfishly hope Oso doesn't see much of the field tonight.

they need to lose by a lot to lose the top seeding. They should play the fringe guys who always show up but don’t get regular time and the kids. Kone, Millar, Crepaud, Ugbo etc

Ultra & Proud
03-30-2022, 01:39 PM
they need to lose by a lot to lose the top seeding. They should play the fringe guys who always show up but don’t get regular time and the kids. Kone, Millar, Crepaud, Ugbo etc
If nothing was on the line I would agree but the chance to move up into Pot C is worth going for since it's right there. Besides if TFC can't survive without Osorio at 100% then we don't deserve to get a result versus NYCFC anyway.

dmacd
03-30-2022, 01:40 PM
Top seeding doesn’t really matter though. It’s world ranking. Winning today may be the difference between being pot 3 and pot 4 for World Cup draw.

JonO
03-30-2022, 02:48 PM
they need to lose by a lot to lose the top seeding. They should play the fringe guys who always show up but don’t get regular time and the kids. Kone, Millar, Crepaud, Ugbo etc
Aren't we only +4 on the US? We looked dangerous in Costa Rica and were unlucky to come away without any goals, even down to 10 men. Not saying it will happen, but it would not surprise me if the US put 2 or 3 past them.

jloome
03-30-2022, 04:57 PM
Aren't we only +4 on the US? We looked dangerous in Costa Rica and were unlucky to come away without any goals, even down to 10 men. Not saying it will happen, but it would not surprise me if the US put 2 or 3 past them.

So they require five to top us, due to the head to head. Add in us probably getting a goal no matter what group we put out there and it’s a six-goal swing, in all likelihood. I’d say that’s pretty safe.

Section 223
03-30-2022, 05:19 PM
[QUOTE=Ultra & Proud;1957342]If nothing was on the line I would agree but the chance to move up into Pot C is worth going for since it's right there. Besides if TFC can't survive without Osorio at 100% then we don't deserve to get Not much difference in teams in pots C and D , not saying Canada’s going to mail this one in but I expect a depleted line up and not a chance we will see David , management at Lille would not be very happy to see David out there in this meaningless game.

MikeForbes
03-30-2022, 07:39 PM
No Oso starting tonight. No problem with him playing 25 minutes, but at this point it is all about TFC until after the season.

OgtheDim
03-31-2022, 07:10 PM
Based on Manning's interview with Molinaro, don't expect Bono to be anywhere but in the nets - he was talked about as a leader. Now that might mean management is trying to pump him up to actually become a leader - not sure. But, he is going to start until the world ends I suspect.

ag futbol
03-31-2022, 08:10 PM
Based on Manning's interview with Molinaro, don't expect Bono to be anywhere but in the nets - he was talked about as a leader. Now that might mean management is trying to pump him up to actually become a leader - not sure. But, he is going to start until the world ends I suspect.
Oh god… why is every coach so stuck on this guy? He’s not even in the top half of MLS keepers (and I think that’s a generous assessment)

jloome
03-31-2022, 08:32 PM
Oh god… why is every coach so stuck on this guy? He’s not even in the top half of MLS keepers (and I think that’s a generous assessment)

It's probably strategic. He plays better when he's confident, plus he has some defense in front of him now. If he has a good season, they can move him for some money even if they're actually concerned about his consistency.

But maybe they just think that facing fewer shots and being more of an occasional big stop reaction keeper, he'll come good, or at least be tolerably decent.

Ultra & Proud
04-01-2022, 11:55 AM
It's probably strategic. He plays better when he's confident, plus he has some defense in front of him now. If he has a good season, they can move him for some money even if they're actually concerned about his consistency.

But maybe they just think that facing fewer shots and being more of an occasional big stop reaction keeper, he'll come good, or at least be tolerably decent.
Even with our most solid defense ever (2017) he was still guilty of at least one boner move per match He was just lucky and not punished as we had good defensive cover when he dropped balls or misjudged coming out for crosses.

Richard
04-01-2022, 02:47 PM
Based on Manning's interview with Molinaro, don't expect Bono to be anywhere but in the nets - he was talked about as a leader. Now that might mean management is trying to pump him up to actually become a leader - not sure. But, he is going to start until the world ends I suspect.


Oh god… why is every coach so stuck on this guy? He’s not even in the top half of MLS keepers (and I think that’s a generous assessment)

Same reason Harry Maguire starts for England and ManU.

ag futbol
04-01-2022, 03:04 PM
Same reason Harry Maguire starts for England and ManU.
Cause it would kill the English to admit there is a better CB that plays in Italy? :)

OgtheDim
04-01-2022, 03:13 PM
Cause it would kill the English to admit there is a better CB that plays in Italy? :)


In our case, it seems it would kill our long term GK coach to admit that he is wrong - I have come to the conclusion that Westberg was brought in by Vanney under cover of being a backup & was just better then Bono enough for Vanney to make the switch over Conway's objections.

OgtheDim
04-01-2022, 03:18 PM
https://twitter.com/TorontoFC/status/1509983934163075079

Oh look...a defender called up for short term duty.

Richard
04-01-2022, 03:44 PM
Cause it would kill the English to admit there is a better CB that plays in Italy? :)

Haha.

If we extend his contract at the same wage(480K) I would be concerned, even half that is too much for what is really a backup keeper, well find out soon enough near the year end, or summer if they had plans to trade him.

Derko
04-01-2022, 05:04 PM
Is anyone else having trouble with the stupid fucking TFC app to acess tickets. telling me it requires an update but will not update nor open. Great timing

Super
04-01-2022, 05:48 PM
Is anyone else having trouble with the stupid fucking TFC app to acess tickets. telling me it requires an update but will not update nor open. Great timing

Same here on Android. They're not ready to go paperless.

OgtheDim
04-01-2022, 06:05 PM
Same here - 2 tequila shots and a large glass of wine later is why I thought there was an issue but guess not.

Super
04-01-2022, 08:32 PM
The app is working for me now.

Captain
04-01-2022, 09:55 PM
Last year we were given food credits for leaving our season tickets money with TFC. Can anyone tell me how to access it?

MightyDM
04-02-2022, 09:41 AM
Last year we were given food credits for leaving our season tickets money with TFC. Can anyone tell me how to access it?

It’s a bit complicated. In fact I cannot find it anymore. But I think you start with stadium.

OgtheDim
04-02-2022, 11:38 AM
It’s a bit complicated. In fact I cannot find it anymore. But I think you start with stadium.


Login (now requiring a browser connection that goes back to the app)

Stadium

Membership Central

mowe
04-02-2022, 02:31 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/TorontoFC/status/1510333945132560393

Looks like a 3-4-3, I like it.

MikeForbes
04-02-2022, 02:31 PM
Osorio starts. Thompson also.

https://twitter.com/TorontoFC/status/1510333945132560393?s=20&t=vsMdc17fBA0x0BHf1_qhJw

OgtheDim
04-02-2022, 02:58 PM
Lots of GO cops including the dog unit. Sooo much fun afters....

ag futbol
04-02-2022, 03:08 PM
Is Chung injured? (Assume that’s the case)

MikeForbes
04-02-2022, 03:11 PM
Just noticed Nelson was dropped. Petrasso has definitely out played him and Jayden might benefit from facing some tired legs.

PizzaEatingYeti
04-02-2022, 03:27 PM
That stadium looks like not more than 60% full... :facepalm:

jloome
04-02-2022, 03:34 PM
Wow, that's incredibly soft. Did he even catch him?

jloome
04-02-2022, 03:35 PM
There's no way Caldwell could see that as "definitely clipped". He's so full of shit it's coming out of his ears, unless he's viewing angles we're not.

No, fucking dive on the other angle.

jloome
04-02-2022, 03:36 PM
Fucking Caldwell. Either delusional or zero humility whatsoever. He clearly dives on the replay. Clearly.

SirBobSaget
04-02-2022, 03:36 PM
How is Caldwell always wrong, and he is always on the anti-TFC side.

notthesun
04-02-2022, 03:36 PM
I've had it with Caldwell, what a complete moron. Please get Kilbane back on I can't stand this guy anymore

Donald Duck
04-02-2022, 03:36 PM
Caldwell should just stfu!!!

ag futbol
04-02-2022, 03:37 PM
Dare I say it, I agree with Caldwell? Var absolutely bungled this one.

Thought he clearly clipped him but I would like to see a slower replay to be sure.

jloome
04-02-2022, 03:43 PM
Dare I say it, I agree with Caldwell? Var absolutely bungled this one.

Thought he clearly clipped him but I would like to see a slower replay to be sure.

You can say it but I think you're wrong. The reverse angle showed Magno taking a full stride past him before he suddenly went over. That was Greg Louganis-level dive.

Webdogg
04-02-2022, 03:43 PM
Did Cadwell just say to book Bradley for hitting the ref?

ag futbol
04-02-2022, 03:45 PM
You can say it but I think you're wrong. The reverse angle showed Magno taking a full stride past him before he suddenly went over. That was Greg Louganis-level dive.
Clipped his heel on the way up, threw him off balance as he took his next step (based on what I though I saw)

jloome
04-02-2022, 03:47 PM
Clipped his heel on the way up, threw him off balance as he took his next step (based on what I though I saw)
...But he didn't throw him off balance. Even if he clipped his heel, it wasn't what caused him to go down. He takes a full, totally balanced stride after the supposed contact and doesn't go down until the next stride.

So he felt the clip but went down too late, making it clear it was a dive. And VAR had three separate angles including front and back, so...

PizzaEatingYeti
04-02-2022, 03:48 PM
Caldwell go comment just on Montreal and Vancouver games, you shameless idiot!

ag futbol
04-02-2022, 03:51 PM
...But he didn't throw him off balance. Even if he clipped his heel, it wasn't what caused him to go down. He takes a full, totally balanced stride after the supposed contact and doesn't go down until the next stride.

So he felt the clip but went down too late, making it clear it was a dive. And VAR had three separate angles including front and back, so...
IMO the rubber hits the road when you try and plant the foot that was clipped. It might not throw off your other leg but chances are your ankle placement will be off when the clipped foot plants and you’ll tumble over.

But you could be right. I’d want to see it again

PaceyWinger
04-02-2022, 03:54 PM
IMO the rubber hits the road when you try and plant the foot that was clipped. It might not throw off your other leg but chances are your ankle placement will be off when the clipped foot plants and you’ll tumble over.

But you could be right. I’d want to see it again

He clipped his own leg and went down. They showed it 10x.

jloome
04-02-2022, 03:56 PM
STONE. COLD. KILLER.
Dude is a baller boys. We might have a 15-goal striker again.

ag futbol
04-02-2022, 03:56 PM
He clipped his own leg and went down. They showed it 10x.
Right, but again, someone kicks your foot as your extending it back, your stride is going to be funny on the way down.

Anyway, I admit I might be in the wrong here but that was my honest $0.02 based on what I saw live and through the course of a replay or two.

Cheers

mowe
04-02-2022, 03:57 PM
Great goal. So nice having a proper number 9.

PaceyWinger
04-02-2022, 03:58 PM
Great ball from Oso and nice finish from Jiminez

notthesun
04-02-2022, 03:58 PM
That's a striker's goal, great run off his defender, one touch and finish. Beauty.

ag futbol
04-02-2022, 03:58 PM
Great goal. So nice having a proper number 9.
Shopping list: right sided everything (except CB)

Loved that goal though. Dude definitely showing he can finish

tfcfans
04-02-2022, 03:59 PM
So far Jesus has been a wonderful pick up - its been so long since we’ve had a consistent striker who can finish his chances - more specifically, one that stays on the field for 90%+ of the available minutes.

PaceyWinger
04-02-2022, 04:01 PM
Right, but again, someone kicks your foot as your extending it back, your stride is going to be funny on the way down.

Anyway, I admit I might be in the wrong here but that was my honest $0.02 based on what I saw live and through the course of a replay or two.

Cheers

Why would VAR overturn it if there was contact.. They wouldnt even call the ref over.

ag futbol
04-02-2022, 04:02 PM
Why would VAR overturn it if there was contact.. They wouldnt even call the ref over.
Let’s not take what VAR does as an indicator of anything. We’ve seen enough nonsense from them so far this year

notthesun
04-02-2022, 04:07 PM
Should we even be after a DP striker still? Jimenez is quality and Akinola is coming back soon.

Feels like we'd be better off with a DP right winger or center mid.

MikeForbes
04-02-2022, 04:08 PM
Should we even be after a DP striker still? Jimenez is quality and Akinola is coming back soon.

Feels like we'd be better off with a DP right winger or center mid.

Should be tampering with Carlos Vela like crazy.

MikeForbes
04-02-2022, 04:09 PM
OG for the win.

tfcfans
04-02-2022, 04:11 PM
I’m shocked at this scoreline based on the play this half — happy, but shocked....LOL...

MikeForbes
04-02-2022, 04:11 PM
NYCFC has more talent, we seem to be better managed. Weathered their storm and are now taking over.

jloome
04-02-2022, 04:13 PM
I’m shocked at this scoreline based on the play this half — happy, but shocked....LOL...

NYFC today look like we used to look: lots of technique and talent and possession, not much shooting or end product.

jloome
04-02-2022, 04:16 PM
Every time Bradley talks about Jimenez he reins it in as much as possible. Ego management.

gracos
04-02-2022, 04:16 PM
love the scouting of Jesus Jimenez, if we have to take our time finding these diamonds, its well worth it, well done TFC being able to adapt to B Bradleys new coaching style

jloome
04-02-2022, 04:17 PM
Worth noting Bradley had a killer half there. He was everywhere shutting shit down.

Petrasso and Shaff make a dangerous pair on the wing. One of them just needs to attack the box more. They're both very tentative about trying to beat the first man inside.

OgtheDim
04-02-2022, 04:17 PM
That stadium looks like not more than 60% full... :facepalm:

Its about 70 now

jloome
04-02-2022, 04:18 PM
love the scouting of Jesus Jimenez, if we have to take our time finding these diamonds, its well worth it, well done TFC being able to adapt to B Bradleys new coaching style

A former coach of Bradley's from Norway was coaching in Poland and told him Jimenez was the best attacker in the Polish First Division, which is the same league that produced Adam Buksa. The dude is a baller. He directs traffic, too.

Oldtimer
04-02-2022, 04:19 PM
Thoughts at the half:

Osorio on fire!
Bradley has the team playing a very attractive style.
The team is building confidence and looking good. Excited for the second half of the season when the team will be further improved.

MikeForbes
04-02-2022, 04:20 PM
love the scouting of Jesus Jimenez, if we have to take our time finding these diamonds, its well worth it, well done TFC being able to adapt to B Bradleys new coaching style

The success of players coming from Poland into MLS should be noticed.

jloome
04-02-2022, 04:21 PM
Caldwell just won't give it up even though there's a) no way you can see a clip of the heel from those angles and b) the slow motion reverse angle shows him balanced and taking a full extra stride before he suddenly loses balance.

He's... arrhg.

OgtheDim
04-02-2022, 04:25 PM
From 116 today.

They were living in a pocket between Poz, Bradley and Thompson.

They are very good at transition.

Bono can't distribute worth a jar of pee.

Bradley's passes miss out way more than before.

Salcedo doesn't suffer fools lightly.

Castellanos is very good.

Petrasso & Shaff are going to kill teams when one of them works with Insigne.

MikeForbes
04-02-2022, 04:28 PM
Talles Magno is the best player on the field today. Osorio is a very close second.

MikeForbes
04-02-2022, 04:30 PM
Game won. Magno was dominating Thompson.

Oldtimer
04-02-2022, 04:43 PM
Caldwell just won't give it up even though there's a) no way you can see a clip of the heel from those angles and b) the slow motion reverse angle shows him balanced and taking a full extra stride before he suddenly loses balance.

He's... arrhg.

So frustrating. The reverse angle was clear and obvious it was a dive.

MikeForbes
04-02-2022, 04:45 PM
Drew Fischer is a joke of a ref, tbf

PizzaEatingYeti
04-02-2022, 04:47 PM
How idiot is Caldwell?

jloome
04-02-2022, 04:50 PM
Both teams have slowed right down this half. NYFC seems to struggle without a quick transition.

MikeForbes
04-02-2022, 04:52 PM
I can forgive Okello for his technical issues, I cannot forgive him for losing physical battles.

jloome
04-02-2022, 04:53 PM
We're dropping too deep already. A bit worrisome.

ag futbol
04-02-2022, 04:57 PM
I can forgive Okello for his technical issues, I cannot forgive him for losing physical battles.
He’s way too passive. Needs to get stuck in and close down tighter

jloome
04-02-2022, 04:59 PM
Good to hear Bono screaming to the defense to watch out for the quick corner.

notthesun
04-02-2022, 05:00 PM
Bono going after Okello immediately after that turnover goes out for a corner and I don't blame him.

Makes me think of Brian Burke's quote about Bobby Ryan: "He can't spell intensity."

jloome
04-02-2022, 05:04 PM
Lol, McNaughton's a smart player. He's not getting up too quickly right now.

alex andrew
04-02-2022, 05:05 PM
macnaughton is punished for being very good

alex andrew
04-02-2022, 05:13 PM
these fine young gentlemen can't run 96 minutes or so

MikeForbes
04-02-2022, 05:15 PM
Bradley might of saved the season by switching to a 3 at the back system.

ag futbol
04-02-2022, 05:16 PM
MacNaughton looking like an absolute steal.

MikeForbes
04-02-2022, 05:17 PM
Just because it is kind of funny for Bono to never have a clean sheet again.

ag futbol
04-02-2022, 05:18 PM
MacNaughton looking like an absolute steal.
Damn I cursed it

Oldtimer
04-02-2022, 05:19 PM
Good game despite losing the clean sheet.

ag futbol
04-02-2022, 05:19 PM
Nice win! These results go a long way over the course of a season

notthesun
04-02-2022, 05:19 PM
Shame to lose the clean sheet but solid performance, we grew into the game after a tough start. Jimenez is awesome.

alex andrew
04-02-2022, 05:20 PM
congratulations

MikeForbes
04-02-2022, 05:21 PM
Great game. We need to stay strong at home until Insigne and friends get here. Impressed by Thompson. He wasn't flashy, but did a job.

jloome
04-02-2022, 05:21 PM
Solid defensively, good counterattacks, Petrasso causing them all sorts of problems, the kids playing well.

alex andrew
04-02-2022, 05:27 PM
best game in recent memory

wopchop
04-02-2022, 05:41 PM
Caldwell just won't give it up even though there's a) no way you can see a clip of the heel from those angles and b) the slow motion reverse angle shows him balanced and taking a full extra stride before he suddenly loses balance.

He's... arrhg.
It was a clear as day no PK.
Perfect view in 110.

Hala Hrvatska
04-02-2022, 05:58 PM
Nice win boys.

And may I formally apologize...I sat thought the opening day fiasco...and I perhaps in a bit of a pissed off over reaction said I didn't see us winning any games until the Italians come..lol....and now two nice wins. Apology boys...and please lets never speak of this again! ))))

Bushmancan
04-02-2022, 06:10 PM
Defense did a really nice job holding shape!!

Great finish by Jesus!

A couple of beautiful reaction saves by Bono!

Fun game to be at!!

James17930
04-02-2022, 07:12 PM
Boy was that ever needed. I really, really hope we can keep rolling from this and stay in a playoff position all year.

Slick
04-02-2022, 08:11 PM
Couldn't make it to BMO today.

I nearly smashed my TV listening to that idiot of a colour commentator Caldwell. What an absolute moron.

Oso was MOTM. Jimenez is one solid pickup. Bradley also had a very good game.

OgtheDim
04-02-2022, 08:22 PM
FWIW

https://twitter.com/GameFlowxPG/status/1510410735821725701

ManUtd4ever
04-02-2022, 09:00 PM
Well deserved victory against a strong squad. Bradley Sr. has them well organized defensively, and we have enough skill to capitalize on the counter, despite our injuries.

Very enjoyable game to watch.

JoeBackyard
04-02-2022, 09:10 PM
I can forgive Okello for his technical issues, I cannot forgive him for losing physical battles.
What's maddening about Okello is how physically imposing he looks but how he plays so soft. Equally maddening is Nelson's trait to jog when covering his man (watch a replay of NYC's goal). It's as predictable as the sun rising in the morning.

AdamAM
04-02-2022, 09:42 PM
Man, Okello is just… not the one. I understand many will say I’m calling it too early but there’s something about his game that just doesn’t click for me. It feels like he is always looking at the wrong spots to make a pass to, and just very awkward on the ball in general. I never watched him at TFC 2 so I can’t comment on what he looks like against lesser competition but it feels like he adds no new dimension to the team whenever he’s on the field which is insane considering his extremely unique physical traits

DavemTFC
04-02-2022, 10:42 PM
Another great all-around performance. Thompson a very pleasant surprise, much better than his previous sub appearances. I think Oso may be about to have a career year. Jimenez is legit.

Only embarassing performance was from Caldwell really

gracos
04-03-2022, 12:52 AM
How does Caldwell feel that the Talles Magno play is worthy of a PK, Talles Magno pushes off of the last player then dives, no way being intentional of grounding Talles Magno

ag futbol
04-03-2022, 07:03 AM
Right, but again, someone kicks your foot as your extending it back, your stride is going to be funny on the way down.

Anyway, I admit I might be in the wrong here but that was my honest $0.02 based on what I saw live and through the course of a replay or two.

Cheers
Saw the replay again. He definitely dove, not sure why I couldn’t see it the first 5 times, haha


Man, Okello is just… not the one. I understand many will say I’m calling it too early but there’s something about his game that just doesn’t click for me. It feels like he is always looking at the wrong spots to make a pass to, and just very awkward on the ball in general. I never watched him at TFC 2 so I can’t comment on what he looks like against lesser competition but it feels like he adds no new dimension to the team whenever he’s on the field which is insane considering his extremely unique physical traits
Have to agree. I know it’s an early call but despite all the physical traits the mental approach to the game just isn’t there for me. He defers too often and is incredibly passive. Hot potato’s the ball when in possession too.

Yuushalinsky
04-03-2022, 07:32 AM
Jimenez is so so good dude. Can't be beat by anything other than hard, honest defending since if you cheat on technique, he simply uses another part of his toolkit or even passes. He is clearly helping Poz get his touch back too.

BritSOL
04-03-2022, 07:47 AM
Another great all-around performance. Thompson a very pleasant surprise, much better than his previous sub appearances. I think Oso may be about to have a career year. Jimenez is legit.

Only embarassing performance was from Caldwell really

To me, It looked like a few times that Thompson was in a good positional spot, but other players wouldn’t pass to him.

OgtheDim
04-03-2022, 09:10 AM
Thompson was naive defensively a few times - they got around him pretty easily. An adjustment was made to move McNaughton over more & take out that lane. You could see a serious discussion after the first goal between Poz, Salcedo & McNaughton.

Bushmancan
04-03-2022, 09:17 AM
The encouraging thing about yesterday, there were at least 3 plays if we were more ruthless on the through balls with the counter and we could have scored more.

Big lineup question for me is where/when does Akinola play? He is not replacing Jimenez.

jloome
04-03-2022, 10:51 AM
Man, Okello is just… not the one. I understand many will say I’m calling it too early but there’s something about his game that just doesn’t click for me. It feels like he is always looking at the wrong spots to make a pass to, and just very awkward on the ball in general. I never watched him at TFC 2 so I can’t comment on what he looks like against lesser competition but it feels like he adds no new dimension to the team whenever he’s on the field which is insane considering his extremely unique physical traits

I'll be the dissenting voice on this one and say I think you're all nuts.

He played well yesterday barring losing possession once in our end.

People think he's weak or frail because he's tall or skinny, but he's largely playing as a number eight, not a centre back. He was muscled off the ball exactly once yesterday, and fouled on the second occasion without a call.

Nope. You're all nuts, and I'll stand by that. He completes quick passes that keep the ball moving, he retains the ball in traffic and he can cover ground quickly.

He's a talented young player and his game still needs work. He has a higher top end, to me, than Jayden Nelsen and on evidence so far, JMR. JMR is five years younger which is why he's such a hot prospect, but he's not as ready for the first team right now as Okello is. Neither is Jayden.

I have zero complaints about Okello, because he's not a number six. I think people have misperceptions about the type of player he should be because he's tall and thin.

EDIT: I'll add that a lot of people here also saw little value in Marky Delgado, who did basically the same job. But we wouldn't have won a title without him. Teams need a guy whose job is just to keep the ball moving between the lines and to retain possession.

He's not a number six. He's a number eight; he connects the lines and he breaks up passing channels.

jloome
04-03-2022, 11:02 AM
The encouraging thing about yesterday, there were at least 3 plays if we were more ruthless on the through balls with the counter and we could have scored more.

Big lineup question for me is where/when does Akinola play? He is not replacing Jimenez.

I'd almost say it forces us to play a variation of a 4-3-2-1 if we're going to get both of them on the field, with Pozuelo and Jiminez underneath ...but insigne is a winger, not a wide midfielder, so that doesn't help either.

I'd say you need two top strikers in this league to compete, so he's going to be coming off the bench until the other guy loses his place.

If we had two anchoring midfielders we could play the ol' foot-to-the-floor 4-2-4, but nobody plays that anymore for obvious reasons, and we don't have the personnel.

AdamAM
04-03-2022, 01:19 PM
I'll be the dissenting voice on this one and say I think you're all nuts.

He played well yesterday barring losing possession once in our end.

People think he's weak or frail because he's tall or skinny, but he's largely playing as a number eight, not a centre back. He was muscled off the ball exactly once yesterday, and fouled on the second occasion without a call.

Nope. You're all nuts, and I'll stand by that. He completes quick passes that keep the ball moving, he retains the ball in traffic and he can cover ground quickly.

He's a talented young player and his game still needs work. He has a higher top end, to me, than Jayden Nelsen and on evidence so far, JMR. JMR is five years younger which is why he's such a hot prospect, but he's not as ready for the first team right now as Okello is. Neither is Jayden.

I have zero complaints about Okello, because he's not a number six. I think people have misperceptions about the type of player he should be because he's tall and thin.

EDIT: I'll add that a lot of people here also saw little value in Marky Delgado, who did basically the same job. But we wouldn't have won a title without him. Teams need a guy whose job is just to keep the ball moving between the lines and to retain possession.

He's not a number six. He's a number eight; he connects the lines and he breaks up passing channels.

I like this take, that he fulfills Marky’s role, but his decision-making is just not quick enough. His ceiling is insane but he has not improved game over game yet like some of the other young guys.

On the other hand I can see why JMR is so highly rated, he’s super mobile and possesses good link up ability, as well as a good touch and good instincts. Not surprised at all that Premiership teams are interested because he’s exactly the mold of player you want running up and down the wings in a fast-paced league.

Initial B
04-03-2022, 01:38 PM
For all you guys slagging Caldwell. It looks like he had the PK call right. Unless this is just PRO covering things up.

https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/pro-issues-statement-on-week-5-game-between-toronto-fc-and-nycfc

noxx98
04-03-2022, 01:43 PM
For all you guys slagging Caldwell. It looks like he had the PK call right. Unless this is just PRO covering things up.

https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/pro-issues-statement-on-week-5-game-between-toronto-fc-and-nycfc
In that clip you can actually see that Thomson's knee clips Rodriguez's foot.

Honestly, VAR owed us one from the calls in our first game, so I think it evens things out now.

OgtheDim
04-03-2022, 01:44 PM
Still looking for that angle that shows a clear PK.

I can see it not being clear & obvious that its not a PK.

But if that was called no PK, those tv angles would not indicate it be turned over.

ag futbol
04-03-2022, 01:53 PM
EDIT: I'll add that a lot of people here also saw little value in Marky Delgado, who did basically the same job. But we wouldn't have won a title without him. Teams need a guy whose job is just to keep the ball moving between the lines and to retain possession.

He's not a number six. He's a number eight; he connects the lines and he breaks up passing channels.
Forgive me for saying so, because I find analyzing this sort of player to be a bit of a rorschach test, but I have difficulty spotting Okello doing the type of things a number 8 does.

Delgado to the naked eye made a large number of recovery runs at least and progressively carried the ball. He was always the guy who is sorting out odd-balll situations on the field for the team. Okello to me is too passive, he defers to his teammates on almost everything.

OgtheDim
04-03-2022, 01:58 PM
To me, Okello is a long term project as a replacement for the mid that turns 30 this year - I remember Osorio making many of the same mistakes.

jloome
04-03-2022, 02:31 PM
Still looking for that angle that shows a clear PK.

I can see it not being clear & obvious that its not a PK.

But if that was called no PK, those tv angles would not indicate it be turned over.

The contact isn't definitively what caused him to go down, as he actually trips himself.

But it could be argued that wasn't deliberate and the initial contact changed the angle of his foot enough to make him trip himself.

Either way, you're right, the MLS site story says it wasn't "clear and obvious" so it shouldn't have been overturned. It also says it did reveal "foul contact", so if he'd gone over right away it would've been a good call.

stevep
04-03-2022, 07:56 PM
ive watched the YouTube video of the var play over and over
I played it at 0.25 speed. I cannot see any contact
there is no way Caldwell could see contact 200 ft away in the tv broadcast booth
yet he was so adamant that there was contact and he kept at it
his behaviour feels scripted to me
i can’t figure out the logic for this behaviour
it’s a distraction of some sort but I can’t figure out what it is yet
Caldwells gotta be a shill

Blindside16
04-04-2022, 02:07 AM
Congratulations to Bob Bradley in tying the legendary Chris Armas in total wins. Also Jesus has half as many goals this season as Jozy had the previous 2

portu
04-04-2022, 05:38 AM
Been too busy to add my usual grimacing, but I wanted to express how impressed I was with this win. I still think the squad is an unacceptable shambles, but if Bradley pulls results off like this with a makeshift backline I’m very very excited for a real backline.

burlington Red
04-04-2022, 06:51 AM
very good performance, enjoyed the game. I thought there would have been a bigger attendance. Playing defending champs, good kick off time, the feel good factor of Canada qualifying for world cup. Maybe covid fear is an issue for people. It's a pity as that was a very good game to watch.

mowe
04-04-2022, 08:49 AM
5 games in we are in a playoff position. Can’t complain.

3 tough games coming up (@RSL, PHI, @NYC) that should be good tests for this team.

Canary10
04-04-2022, 09:07 AM
very good performance, enjoyed the game. I thought there would have been a bigger attendance. Playing defending champs, good kick off time, the feel good factor of Canada qualifying for world cup. Maybe covid fear is an issue for people. It's a pity as that was a very good game to watch.

This was me. I'm going away in two weeks and can't get Covid before. Also still can't give away tickets to games I find.

wopchop
04-04-2022, 09:10 AM
ive watched the YouTube video of the var play over and over
I played it at 0.25 speed. I cannot see any contact

I don't see how that video somehow vindicates PRO and makes this a PK.
It seems more like he trips himself up then a foul.

Gringo Starr
04-04-2022, 10:09 AM
I hope BB can find a few more minutes for Perruzza, it was good to see him get on the field for a bit.

jloome
04-04-2022, 11:18 AM
I don't see how that video somehow vindicates PRO and makes this a PK.
It seems more like he trips himself up then a foul.

but that’s irrelevant to the rules. The initial contact could be deemed a foul in the box so it wasn’t a “clear and obvious error”

so whether he tripped himself or not, it shouldn’t have been reviewed.

PaceyWinger
04-04-2022, 02:13 PM
If VAR looked at the play and assessed there was no contact on a play that resulted in a penalty, that would be pretty clear and obvious. Whether or not they had access to the right view is seperate.

Ultra & Proud
04-04-2022, 02:28 PM
but that’s irrelevant to the rules. The initial contact could be deemed a foul in the box so it wasn’t a “clear and obvious error”

so whether he tripped himself or not, it shouldn’t have been reviewed.
This is why VAR is a failure. Sure having a video that can show a foul frame by frame in 4K or a program to draw offsides lines on the screen help determine things but at the end of the day the decision whether or not to use the VAR comes down to humans and therefore is subjective.

I said this many times; VAR should be used for determining if a ball crosses the goal line, handballs in the box, and card worthy fouls that might be missed because they happen off the ball. That's it.

wopchop
04-04-2022, 06:14 PM
but that’s irrelevant to the rules. The initial contact could be deemed a foul in the box so it wasn’t a “clear and obvious error”

so whether he tripped himself or not, it shouldn’t have been reviewed.
Well, maybe the rules are shit?
I can see how using that angle, it isn't a "clear and obvious" error made by the ref. Sure. His view from behind was obstructed by our player, so yeah, it would appear to him there was a foul.

I can buy that, but still not think it is a foul. This new angle they provided still doesn't show a foul IMO. The other angles don't show it either (and the refs at the field agreed).

If they want to use VAR for this, then they need to step up the camera placements to provide the required views.

Oldtimer
04-05-2022, 09:58 AM
Well, maybe the rules are shit?
I can see how using that angle, it isn't a "clear and obvious" error made by the ref. Sure. His view from behind was obstructed by our player, so yeah, it would appear to him there was a foul.

I can buy that, but still not think it is a foul. This new angle they provided still doesn't show a foul IMO. The other angles don't show it either (and the refs at the field agreed).

If they want to use VAR for this, then they need to step up the camera placements to provide the required views.

That's the thing. It's not the concept of VAR that is an issue, it's the implementation that is flawed. I'd still rather have it any day over the situation we had before. This type of technology is now in a lot of sports for good reason, overall it improves officiating.

jloome
04-05-2022, 06:54 PM
Well, maybe the rules are shit?
I can see how using that angle, it isn't a "clear and obvious" error made by the ref. Sure. His view from behind was obstructed by our player, so yeah, it would appear to him there was a foul.

I can buy that, but still not think it is a foul. This new angle they provided still doesn't show a foul IMO. The other angles don't show it either (and the refs at the field agreed).

If they want to use VAR for this, then they need to step up the camera placements to provide the required views.

no argument here mate, just pointing out the rationale.

MightyDM
04-06-2022, 11:27 PM
I hate VAR. it ruins the most beautiful thing about soccer, that moment when the entire stadium rises for a goal. Now everyone everywhere is looking over their shoulder for a foul.

Goal line tech is fine. It works and doesn’t interrupt the flow. But VAR always will be subject to error, so it doesn’t matter if it is sometimes a bit better than the referee. The game is worse for it, like with the ridiculous delayed offsides. Train the referees and AR’s to be the best they can be, and get on with it.

Prof
04-07-2022, 07:10 AM
I hate VAR. it ruins the most beautiful thing about soccer, that moment when the entire stadium rises for a goal. Now everyone everywhere is looking over their shoulder for a foul.

Goal line tech is fine. It works and doesn’t interrupt the flow. But VAR always will be subject to error, so it doesn’t matter if it is sometimes a bit better than the referee. The game is worse for it, like with the ridiculous delayed offsides. Train the referees and AR’s to be the best they can be, and get on with it.

I agree 100%. I have been saying this for awhile. Goal line technology is quick and helpful. VAR is killing the game. Get rid of it in MLS especially. :hump:

jabbronies
04-07-2022, 09:50 AM
I never expected VAR to be used for fouls and offsides. I think those two things are killing the game.

MightyDM
04-07-2022, 11:37 PM
I never expected VAR to be used for fouls and offsides. I think those two things are killing the game.

Yes. To Review a red card or a penalty - when the game is already stopped - might have an argument. But everything else, leave it alone.

Kamp Berg
04-08-2022, 12:58 PM
Yes. To Review a red card or a penalty - when the game is already stopped - might have an argument. But everything else, leave it alone.

The process needs to be simplified. It’s obvious the refs cannot function in the current setup. They can’t even bring consistency to when VAR is used!