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Oldtimer
02-26-2022, 06:53 PM
Post any news here

Auzzy
02-26-2022, 08:30 PM
Post any news here

Thanks for all you do Oldtimer to keep this forum organized!!!!

Greatest Ripoff
02-28-2022, 05:03 PM
Red Bulls have signed Ashley Fletcher on loan from Watford. Decent player in the Championship but didn’t do much in the premier league. I don’t remember him being terrible at West Ham but just looked it up and he didn’t score a goal while there but still sold for about £10 million when he left West Ham.

I am quite interested to see how he gets on. Only 26 years old. Wonder if he’ll put numbers like Wright-Phillips or Luke Rodgers?

https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/new-york-red-bulls-sign-striker-ashley-fletcher-on-loan-from-watford

Amir.
02-28-2022, 05:04 PM
NYCFC sign midfielder Maximo Carrizo, 14, as youngest player in MLS history (https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/nycfc-sign-maximo-carrizo-14-as-youngest-player-in-mls-history)

NotoriousGoonie
03-10-2022, 07:56 PM
https://www.lagalaxy.com/news/la-galaxy-sign-el-salvador-international-defender-eriq-zavaleta

🤔🤔🤔

Ultra & Proud
03-10-2022, 08:27 PM
https://www.lagalaxy.com/news/la-galaxy-sign-el-salvador-international-defender-eriq-zavaleta

🤔🤔🤔

I enjoyed the promo video the Galaxy put out to announce his signing. The Salvadoran Magician is some kind of nick name.

Auzzy
03-10-2022, 09:58 PM
https://www.lagalaxy.com/news/la-galaxy-sign-el-salvador-international-defender-eriq-zavaleta


Pretty strange they don't mention in the press release that Vanney is his uncle. I mean they were upfront about it when Eriq came to Toronto.

CBTFC
03-16-2022, 11:34 AM
A team that's not even technically part of MLS yet, St Louis, already has a better GK than we do...and maybe the rest of the league as well. They just officially signed Roman Burki from Borussia Dortmund.

I don't get it.

There must be TONS of high quality 2nd and 3rd string keepers all across Europe who (I believe/think) wouldn't mind being a starter here. Why are we settling for Westberg and Bono? Is there something I'm missing?

OgtheDim
03-16-2022, 11:56 AM
St. Louis is working with 2023 budgets which are set to go up with TV revenue.

But, I agree this is the sort of move we should be making. I suspect Bono is around because his contract is a boat anchor.

Ultra & Proud
03-17-2022, 03:06 PM
St. Louis is working with 2023 budgets which are set to go up with TV revenue.

But, I agree this is the sort of move we should be making. I suspect Bono is around because his contract is a boat anchor.
I don't see why we're not planning for 2023 as well and loading up the NextPro team with some guys for next year.

OgtheDim
04-07-2022, 06:45 PM
Just gonna put this here for the next time somebody says we should go young South American on a DP again...

https://twitter.com/johnspacemuller/status/1511866434112172032

ag futbol
04-07-2022, 07:22 PM
Just gonna put this here for the next time somebody says we should go young South American on a DP again...

No argument from me! I think our strategy for DO recruitment is the right one (and a good fit for the club in general). The idea of buying and selling-on is mostly a pipe dream.

That said, not opposed to TAM signings, provided the transfer fee is low-ish

Ultra & Proud
04-08-2022, 08:26 AM
No argument from me! I think our strategy for DO recruitment is the right one (and a good fit for the club in general). The idea of buying and selling-on is mostly a pipe dream.

That said, not opposed to TAM signings, provided the transfer fee is low-ish
I'd rather just look for Auro level/cost guys from SA to fill out the roster than gamble on even TAM level guys like Gallardo.

Canary10
04-08-2022, 09:10 AM
Just gonna put this here for the next time somebody says we should go young South American on a DP again...

https://twitter.com/johnspacemuller/status/1511866434112172032

That's really interesting. Someone should send that to that guy on Twitter who can't let go of criticizing us for signing Insigne.

MikeForbes
04-21-2022, 11:10 AM
https://twitter.com/SoccerInsider/status/1517130092824117249?s=20&t=VQgw2MVe4RqymsjV-5foQQ

leedsandTFC
04-21-2022, 01:12 PM
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1517198492091011073

really, really hope it's not us.

don't think it is tho

jabbronies
04-21-2022, 01:48 PM
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1517198492091011073

really, really hope it's not us.

don't think it is tho

If it is - what would you pay him?

jloome
04-21-2022, 05:10 PM
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1517198492091011073

really, really hope it's not us.

don't think it is tho

Not worried about his age? I admit, I haven't seen him play except perhaps during the Euros.

Edit: Also, he just signed a deal with Juventus until 2023, so we'd be shelling out serious cash of some sort for a 37-year-old.

Also interesting that this was speculated a month ago on a Juve fan news page.
https://www.juvefc.com/giorgio-chiellinis-future-three-hypothesis-emerge/

OgtheDim
04-22-2022, 06:16 PM
Zardes to Colorado


Fraser finally gets his #10 - problem being he has a rock for a touch

Richard
04-22-2022, 06:45 PM
https://twitter.com/SoccerInsider/status/1517130092824117249?s=20&t=VQgw2MVe4RqymsjV-5foQQ

Perhaps Bale should just retire from club football and keep fit to only play for Wales.

I'm sure he would be absolutely happy playing golf at all the American courses in the meantime.

jloome
04-22-2022, 07:14 PM
Perhaps Bale should just retire from club football and keep fit to only play for Wales.

I'm sure he would be absolutely happy playing golf at all the American courses in the meantime.

He was decent at Spurs on loan, 11 goals in 20 games last year. Even at half-speed, half-interest, he'd still be a double digit scorer in MLS

noxx98
04-22-2022, 09:14 PM
He was decent at Spurs on loan, 11 goals in 20 games last year. Even at half-speed, half-interest, he'd still be a double digit scorer in MLS
Bale to TFC for a year and a half would look pretty good on the right wing...

Bushmancan
04-23-2022, 02:21 PM
Going to be hard to beat Washington area for quality golf courses.

Red CB Toronto
05-17-2022, 11:14 AM
Get ready for the traveling road show, the circus is coming to town at an MLS Stadium near you in 2023.


FOX Soccer on Twitter: "Argentinian Star Lionel Messi will join Inter Miami in 2023 when his PSG contract runs out, per @Alex_candal His reported contract includes a 35% stake in the club and will be signed this August. https://t.co/s2qV0kauE4" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/FOXSoccer/status/1526583430787497984)

Lil'John
05-17-2022, 11:44 AM
French radio says they're signing Suarez too.

MikeForbes
05-21-2022, 10:14 PM
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1528190455241916416?s=20&t=E6KD2y9PjnQuOj65mV5TPw

jloome
05-22-2022, 10:01 AM
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1528190455241916416?s=20&t=E6KD2y9PjnQuOj65mV5TPw

This now reeks of bullshit. (I mean, it always did. He's 37 and LA already has five centre backs.)

He agreed on a contract with LA before even getting an okay from his family to move there? I find that even more hard to believe.

They aren't aware of his situation, given that Sky Italia is reporting it? No one in his family has watched the news in the last month?

Just has that odor of Frabrizio trying to cook up a deal that doesn't exist on behalf of some agent.

Mr. Inbetween
05-23-2022, 03:05 PM
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1528190455241916416?s=20&t=E6KD2y9PjnQuOj65mV5TPw


This now reeks of bullshit. (I mean, it always did. He's 37 and LA already has five centre backs.)

He agreed on a contract with LA before even getting an okay from his family to move there? I find that even more hard to believe.

They aren't aware of his situation, given that Sky Italia is reporting it? No one in his family has watched the news in the last month?

Just has that odor of Frabrizio trying to cook up a deal that doesn't exist on behalf of some agent.

Chiellini might be coming to MLS, but what is being stated, the way it's being stated...

Fabrizio Romano... Huh?

On this, couldn't agree more. Well dissected jloome!

FR is starting to indulge while basking in his own self glory... jumping the shark... a crash as it is happening!

Mr. Inbetween
05-23-2022, 03:40 PM
Get ready for the traveling road show, the circus is coming to town at an MLS Stadium near you in 2023.


FOX Soccer on Twitter: "Argentinian Star Lionel Messi will join Inter Miami in 2023 when his PSG contract runs out, per @Alex_candal His reported contract includes a 35% stake in the club and will be signed this August. https://t.co/s2qV0kauE4" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/FOXSoccer/status/1526583430787497984)

Question? Curiosity is cold killin this cat...
Could share remuneration / shareholder status impact DP consideration / amortization in such contracts?
I suspect perhaps... only if and when a contract does not run it's term; early termination by the team/league, a la Jozy?
Still, could shares be utilized as a DP workaround?
I suspect such an agreement can't even be ex parte since the 'league' owns the contract?
Moreover, any significant stakeholder change in team ownership would have to be disclosed?

jloome
05-23-2022, 04:04 PM
Question? Curiosity is cold killin this cat...
Could share remuneration / shareholder status impact DP consideration / amortization in such contracts?
I suspect perhaps... only if and when a contract does not run it's term; early termination by the team/league, a la Jozy?
Still, could shares be utilized as a DP workaround?
I suspect such an agreement can't even be ex parte since the 'league' owns the contract?
Moreover, any significant stakeholder change in team ownership would have to be disclosed?

Nah more fiction.

His agent told The Guardian a few days ago it's total nonsense.

It was ridiculous from second one. They're not giving a near-retirement player hundreds of millions of asset value. When Beckham got his franchise rights, a new one was only 10M!

It's just more looney bullshit from excited simpletons in the unfiltered modern
media. They will pounce on or create any pseudo-plausible news rumour to get attention.

OgtheDim
05-23-2022, 08:16 PM
I think neither Messi nor Ronaldo will come to MLS.

Life is too comfortable for them somewhere in Europe & they don't need the $ MLS would offer.

Initial B
05-25-2022, 08:24 PM
I'd just like to point out that Miami is the 6th most important city in the world for Ultra-High-Net-Worth-Individuals (UHNWIs - aka the 0.002%), just behind London, New York, Hong Kong, Singapore, and Shanghai. 'Important' to them means lifestyle choices and things to do, so I wouldn't be surprised if either of them don't at least consider it.

Kamp Berg
05-31-2022, 09:45 AM
I’m surprised to see that Charlotte already fired their head coach, especially considering they are just outside a playoff spot. Another shit FO maybe?

OgtheDim
05-31-2022, 05:28 PM
This happened April 11

https://twitter.com/ImagesMls/status/1531757842235068420

MikeForbes
05-31-2022, 07:50 PM
Allegedly an 18 month TAM deal.

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1531779505551036416?s=20&t=ZsiWjsqUsbG-tDWFLf5paQ

jloome
05-31-2022, 10:15 PM
Allegedly an 18 month TAM deal.

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1531779505551036416?s=20&t=ZsiWjsqUsbG-tDWFLf5paQ

I still don't believe this one. Maybe I'm naive but he's 37 and LAFC have five centre backs of MLS quality already.

But maybe they figure his leadership is needed. Is he bilingual?

I dunno. Fabrizio keeps pushing this one but there's not a peep over here.

los sonadores
05-31-2022, 10:38 PM
I still don't believe this one. Maybe I'm naive but he's 37 and LAFC have five centre backs of MLS quality already.

But maybe they figure his leadership is needed. Is he bilingual?

I dunno. Fabrizio keeps pushing this one but there's not a peep over here.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/ap-source-italys-giorgio-chiellini-making-mls-move-to-lafc/sn-amp/

Bushmancan
06-01-2022, 12:16 PM
^this just hurts the league. I mean I love to see him, but that was 5 years ago in Italy

jloome
06-01-2022, 03:19 PM
https://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/ap-source-italys-giorgio-chiellini-making-mls-move-to-lafc/sn-amp/

Yeah, the league site mlssoccer.com is reporting it as well, although they’re also citing the public reports, not a confirm from the club. Maybe it’s a player coach role?

This league is so pinball-like compared to the tactical discipline in Europe, I can see a guy his age getting really badly beaten when isolated, if he can even stay healthy. Remember how quickly Danny D went down hill, and he blamed the travel as a big part of it.

Auzzy
06-01-2022, 11:29 PM
Chiellini did not look good in the game vs. Argentina on Wednesday...

Bushmancan
06-13-2022, 08:21 AM
I dont get this one…

https://twitter.com/chiellini/status/1536317598392061952?s=20&t=YwmBZfYh3xlJwjas7-44Vw

jloome
06-13-2022, 09:05 AM
I dont get this one…

https://twitter.com/chiellini/status/1536317598392061952?s=20&t=YwmBZfYh3xlJwjas7-44Vw

If you have a very stable and competent back line, a guy like this probably makes it more stable and more competent. Plus, major leadership.

But the risk is considerable. Teams are going to start setting up a drop-back counter with a low line of engagement, so that LAFC has a high back line. If anyone manages that, I’ll be impressed if a 37-year-old doesn’t look extremely 37ish.

Kamp Berg
06-13-2022, 10:03 AM
Deila is gone from NYCFC. Released to take Standard Liege gig.

Lil'John
06-13-2022, 04:36 PM
Are standard now part of the City Group?

OgtheDim
06-13-2022, 06:06 PM
Standard paid a release clause - NYC didn't figure out how to keep him.

jloome
06-13-2022, 11:17 PM
Standard paid a release clause - NYC didn't figure out how to keep him.

In "the low seven figures", apparently. Wowza. Million-dollar transfers for managers now. MLS is coming up in the world.

OgtheDim
06-14-2022, 06:43 AM
Deila is the sort of manager MLS teams should be looking for - a guy down on his luck after experiences with top leagues in B level countries like Scotland or Belgium who is looking for another option. Doesn't always work out (see DeBoer) but that level can get teams places. Deila took an underachieving team & made them champs in a grinding cup event. That's a skill set teams should be finding for their managers.

Smokecell
06-14-2022, 10:25 AM
Deila is the sort of manager MLS teams should be looking for - a guy down on his luck after experiences with top leagues in B level countries like Scotland or Belgium who is looking for another option. Doesn't always work out (see DeBoer) but that level can get teams places. Deila took an underachieving team & made them champs in a grinding cup event. That's a skill set teams should be finding for their managers.


DeBoer is not a comparable. Maybe Hernan Losada is a recent comparable that didn't work out? But agreed, these types of managers should be looked at by some MLS clubs.

Kamp Berg
06-14-2022, 10:32 AM
Deila is the sort of manager MLS teams should be looking for - a guy down on his luck after experiences with top leagues in B level countries like Scotland or Belgium who is looking for another option. Doesn't always work out (see DeBoer) but that level can get teams places. Deila took an underachieving team & made them champs in a grinding cup event. That's a skill set teams should be finding for their managers.

That’s kind of what we got with Bob.

MikeForbes
06-17-2022, 05:15 PM
As someone who is 25% German, this would make me so sad.

https://twitter.com/ManuelVeth/status/1537877875008757761?s=20&t=fCyrJNxUkYnrBVUTX2jntw

Auzzy
06-17-2022, 07:12 PM
As someone who is 25% German, this would make me so sad.

https://twitter.com/ManuelVeth/status/1537877875008757761?s=20&t=fCyrJNxUkYnrBVUTX2jntw

Only 25% German? Wow that's minor league... ;)

MikeForbes
06-18-2022, 02:22 PM
Another big time signing coming to MLS. A 23 year old coming from England is a big deal.

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1538207306571206658?s=20&t=Nq0hb1hoEYjnGabKayzwkw

Canary10
06-18-2022, 03:35 PM
Another big time signing coming to MLS. A 23 year old coming from England is a big deal.

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1538207306571206658?s=20&t=Nq0hb1hoEYjnGabKayzwkw

Wow. That’s a big signing.

Not done yet though. I’m a little skeptical.

Mr. Inbetween
06-21-2022, 06:16 AM
Deila is the sort of manager MLS teams should be looking for - a guy down on his luck after experiences with top leagues in B level countries like Scotland or Belgium who is looking for another option. Doesn't always work out (see DeBoer) but that level can get teams places. Deila took an underachieving team & made them champs in a grinding cup event. That's a skill set teams should be finding for their managers.


DeBoer is not a comparable. Maybe Hernan Losada is a recent comparable that didn't work out? But agreed, these types of managers should be looked at by some MLS clubs.


That’s kind of what we got with Bob.

Sometimes, just every once in a while, during a media interaction, I'd like a peekaboo into BBradley's make-up...
A little cheeky push back, some Yogi Berra 'isms'... a la Gattuso's recent sono un gattino o leone?

https://youtube.com/shorts/lFofKDDiJWU?feature=share

Areathrasher
06-21-2022, 07:50 AM
Cucho will be great in MLS IMO.

I think his profile. Guys that have had a few years in Europe as opposed to plucking the Barco, Soteltdo and Almada types is the way to go if you're gonna splash big fees

Canary10
06-21-2022, 10:16 AM
Wow Cucho is official. I agree with Areathrasher, that's a significant signing. He should do well in MLS.

ag futbol
06-21-2022, 12:48 PM
https://twitter.com/GraficoTigres/status/1538847394640502784
Translation: Tigres is analysing the offers by Yeferson Soteldo, he is based on his indisciplines and his null commitment to make pre-time with the team. We'll see what's going on with the future

My fake translation: somebody likes to party

Inklink
06-21-2022, 12:59 PM
So... Who wants Laryea back on loan?

https://www.tsn.ca/nottingham-forest-richie-laryea-loan-canada-canmnt-1.1815737

Canary10
06-21-2022, 01:00 PM
https://twitter.com/GraficoTigres/status/1538847394640502784
Translation: Tigres is analysing the offers by Yeferson Soteldo, he is based on his indisciplines and his null commitment to make pre-time with the team. We'll see what's going on with the future

My fake translation: somebody likes to party

Someone was asking for the "proof" that Yeferson was a locker room cancer a few weeks ago.......

RealG-TFC
06-21-2022, 01:04 PM
Though the DP tag is still a hefty one, and he does come off as quite social too, Salcedo still gives me a better impression when it comes to commitment and team spirit. Glad we offloaded Yefe.

PizzaEatingYeti
06-22-2022, 03:14 AM
https://twitter.com/GraficoTigres/status/1538847394640502784
Translation: Tigres is analysing the offers by Yeferson Soteldo, he is based on his indisciplines and his null commitment to make pre-time with the team. We'll see what's going on with the future

My fake translation: somebody likes to party

This dude will be never a serious professional.
Was born a clown, will die as a clown...

Mr. Inbetween
06-23-2022, 12:16 PM
https://twitter.com/GraficoTigres/status/1538847394640502784
Translation: Tigres is analysing the offers by Yeferson Soteldo, he is based on his indisciplines and his null commitment to make pre-time with the team. We'll see what's going on with the future

My fake translation: somebody likes to party

My Spanish is rusty but I have nuanced the translation as...

'Tigres is analyzing two offers for Yeferson Soteldo, this is because of his indiscipline and zero commitment to do pre-season with the team'.

It seems like he's decided not to either participate properly or even show up for Apertura training?

Wow! Once again a team is cutting the cancer out before it metastasizes.

However, with two offers he seems to be able to keep circling the drain.

The profession really needs to flush this guy once and for all.

Smokecell
06-25-2022, 10:24 AM
Apparently Gareth Bale to LAFC will get over the line and not take up a DP slot. This ought to raise some eyebrows.

MikeForbes
06-25-2022, 11:05 AM
Apparently Gareth Bale to LAFC will get over the line and not take up a DP slot. This ought to raise some eyebrows.

As a non-DP is a shocker. Gotta be some extra perks included under the table.

MikeForbes
06-25-2022, 11:09 AM
And they just re-signed Vela. Quite the day for them.

https://twitter.com/TaylorTwellman/status/1540722446851907586?s=20&t=MkPbj0su-vlAyVgTWfkQNw

OgtheDim
06-25-2022, 11:14 AM
Nuance to the Bale deal

TAM now but would be DP IF he stays into 2023...

https://twitter.com/PaulTenorio/status/1540724081380556800

Bushmancan
06-25-2022, 11:15 AM
Well, that changes everything for the big clubs.

OgtheDim
06-25-2022, 11:22 AM
Not really...Bale was in talks with DCU but that didn't get over the line. Is he going to destroy MLS defenders? :noidea:

Insigne is the more game changing signing.

Bushmancan
06-25-2022, 11:56 AM
I was more thinking of the LA tweaking the rules.

TFC/Everton
06-25-2022, 12:15 PM
Not really...Bale was in talks with DCU but that didn't get over the line. Is he going to destroy MLS defenders? :noidea:

Insigne is the more game changing signing.

Agreed. Bale is almost 2 years older than Insigne and hasn't been in really good club form for awhile. Insigne, on the other hand, has been in great form for club and country.

Initial B
06-25-2022, 01:26 PM
I was more thinking of the LA tweaking the rules.
But they've always tweaked the rules for LA clubs. This is nothing new, and honestly I'm for it if it means that the Salary Cap rises and some of these cheapskate owners or forced to pony up more cash or sell to someone who will.

OgtheDim
06-25-2022, 01:29 PM
Is this really tweaking the rules?

He comes in as TAM for half a season & then either retires or stays around as a DP - we were just discussing this approach this week for a TFC DP to get around having 3 right now.

Bushmancan
06-25-2022, 01:40 PM
Is this really tweaking the rules?

He comes in as TAM for half a season & then either retires or stays around as a DP - we were just discussing this approach this week for a TFC DP to get around having 3 right now.

I just thinks its awesome that they are the first ones to implement it. Yes, we would/should do it as well.

ag futbol
06-25-2022, 01:56 PM
Is this really tweaking the rules?

He comes in as TAM for half a season & then either retires or stays around as a DP - we were just discussing this approach this week for a TFC DP to get around having 3 right now.
100%.Doesn’t sound particularly ground breaking to me.

Interested to see what Bale has left in the tank but at face value I would much rather have LA and am excited to see who else we add next.

jloome
06-25-2022, 02:38 PM
100%.Doesn’t sound particularly ground breaking to me.

Interested to see what Bale has left in the tank but at face value I would much rather have LA and am excited to see who else we add next.

He looked pretty damn good for Wales. Honestly, getting him on TAM is a fucking coup.

MightyDM
06-25-2022, 02:43 PM
Imagine Bale attacking Kosi or Petrasso? Seriously. He will make a great impact. Weird deal though. Sounds like he is retiring at end of World Cup - unless he falls for LA

Bushmancan
06-25-2022, 02:45 PM
Well lets look at the bright side, now BB has to spend more than his old club.

And if playing time for the World Cup is the real reason (after golf), then we should be able to get Junior Hoilett much needed playing time right into Oct/Nov.

MikeForbes
06-25-2022, 05:14 PM
Imagine Bale attacking Kosi or Petrasso? Seriously. He will make a great impact. Weird deal though. Sounds like he is retiring at end of World Cup - unless he falls for LA

This lineup attacking any MLS defense is scary.

https://twitter.com/tombogert/status/1540779900940034048?s=20&t=kl_Yf7adI5jei0HfAjKmFg

MikeForbes
06-25-2022, 05:39 PM
Official confirmation from the man himself.

https://twitter.com/GarethBale11/status/1540813308974043136?s=20&t=t9CxKNm_JCeC3Ouuptz63Q

OgtheDim
06-25-2022, 06:24 PM
He was on a golf course

Mr. Inbetween
06-26-2022, 02:52 PM
This lineup attacking any MLS defense is scary.

https://twitter.com/tombogert/status/1540779900940034048?s=20&t=kl_Yf7adI5jei0HfAjKmFg

With that lineup one might also see trade opportunities; no Blessing, no Henry.

Mr. Inbetween
06-27-2022, 04:34 AM
Came across a couple of interesting articles; thought I would share for those whom may care.
IMHO they may be relatable background to current MLS/TFC on-goings.
For instance...
The latest MLS/TFC European/SerieA transfers; in particular DP's or MLS 'LAMs' / '4th DPs'
As well as, the league's overall cap and each teams' salary/player strategy implications.

My noteworthy takes...
Italian Football challenges, their footballers or SerieA as a source for MLS/TFC.
Given SerieA business issues and the Italian football player; the 'Crescita Decree', lack of representation amongst the top salaried, etc...
Ancillary insight into the European player gross V net salary discussion.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/24/sports/soccer/paulo-dybala-juventus.html

https://www.marca.com/en/football/2022/03/31/6245737f268e3e93668b45f6.html

MikeForbes
07-07-2022, 01:40 PM
Noted TFC killer Sergio Santos moving to Cinci.

https://twitter.com/tombogert/status/1545106521616531458?s=20&t=H5L7HJIIExPicDq_Uq_G9w

jloome
07-11-2022, 07:58 PM
Soteldo is of to PAOK in the Greek league, apparenrtly. Sigh. He gets millions to be a jackass.

Mr. Inbetween
07-12-2022, 08:32 AM
Soteldo is of to PAOK in the Greek league, apparenrtly. Sigh. He gets millions to be a jackass.

Noticed this yesterday... yesh!
This cat really has got 9 lives!
And that's a solid, popular and (EDIT: RealG-TFC - mostly) reputable team!
I really do not understand this given the 'public' knowledge stench that seems to be following him.
His recent hot potato-ing around teams and leagues.
I do not think the 'Greek' lifestyle is going to do him and the organization any favours.
Maybe the language barrier may help curtail some of his bad boy behavior; yet a lot of the world gets by on broken English these days.

benito
07-12-2022, 09:01 AM
Report: Wayne Rooney will become next DC United head coach

https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/source-dc-united-wayne-rooney-hold-talks-about-head-coach-position (https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/source-dc-united-wayne-rooney-hold-talks-about-head-coach-position)

RealG-TFC
07-12-2022, 09:02 AM
The owner of PAOK is a Russian-Greek oligarch that once stormed onto the field with a handgun holstered onto his person after a disallowed goal. Yefe shouldn't fuck around.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/12/sports/soccer/greek-soccer-suspended.html

Mr. Inbetween
07-12-2022, 11:21 AM
The owner of PAOK is a Russian-Greek oligarch that once stormed onto the field with a handgun holstered onto his person after a disallowed goal. Yefe shouldn't fuck around.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/12/sports/soccer/greek-soccer-suspended.html

Yeah.
Intense.
Yet everything seems to be relative with FIFA and each country's National Governing Body.
Seems the Russian Oligarch from a recommendation of five got a 3 year ban!
Allegedly, he threatened the referee directly by showing his gun and stating you'll never ref again!
There was a monetary penalty; a non issue.
Moreover, it seems the team only got fined/docked three points!
IIRC, for 2006 Calciopoli, the influencing/aka match fixing of and by referees by team managers for a few SerieA teams- Juventus, Milan, Fiorentina, Lazio and Reggina resulted in the stripping of titles, docking of points and relegations to lower tier leagues.
I believe only one individual end up in jail.
The many others involved were saved by statue of limitation.

MikeForbes
07-14-2022, 04:34 PM
Biggest transfer window in MLS history?

https://twitter.com/MLSist/status/1547688893985611776?s=20&t=8gSqwFb1E6zQ9IMPZ9WWaQ

Mr. Inbetween
07-14-2022, 06:06 PM
Biggest transfer window in MLS history?

https://twitter.com/MLSist/status/1547688893985611776?s=20&t=8gSqwFb1E6zQ9IMPZ9WWaQ

Mos def.

Though...
Got a relation.
Adamant its a stalking horse situation.
He is going to the Hammers!

Bert-ern-adeschi? ! :)

MikeForbes
07-14-2022, 08:06 PM
We get the Italians, DCU gets the English (though Ravel represents Jamaica).

https://twitter.com/SoccerInsider/status/1547741059286835202?s=20&t=y5OgO8PRJ-X2uCpX6uRYJg

Bushmancan
07-14-2022, 08:43 PM
Morrison had so much potential, but never did anything with it, so many times was up and down at West Ham. Tons of skill but always problems… risky DP deal even at 29 years old.

MikeForbes
07-14-2022, 08:54 PM
Morrison had so much potential, but never did anything with it, so many times was up and down at West Ham. Tons of skill but always problems… risky DP deal even at 29 years old.

Turns out it is a TAM deal.

Bushmancan
07-14-2022, 08:59 PM
Turns out it is a TAM deal.

Makes way more sense, tx

Greatest Ripoff
07-15-2022, 02:32 AM
When ravel was on, he was on. I was in the away end at WHL when he scored this goal. I remember a few other nice goals but he was very rarely on. I am interested to see how it goes for him.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Zo6FIlvXo6Q

Re: Lingard. At the beginning of the summer I was pretty desperate for him to sign with West Ham but now I’m jus annoyed as this is the 3rd window in a row where it’s been dragged out. Happy for him to go to DC.

ensco
07-15-2022, 05:38 AM
Morrison was getting Davies level hype, about 10 years ago, “would be the best player in Concacaf” etc… back when he was at MUFC and was deciding between England and Jamaica. I lost track of him long ago. (All of that would have made me nervous if the Canada v Jamaica game in March had mattered to Jamaica - he was basically the only scary player in the Jamaica lineup in that game, best I could tell)

Kind of a cautionary tale about what can happen to “can't miss” young stars…

Bushmancan
07-15-2022, 06:40 AM
Hey any player that helps beat the Spurs 3-0 at White Hart Lane is ok by me, but seriously it was always reports about his attitude and work rate. But Lingard, Rooney, Ravel and “Pogba” all played in the MUFC youth club in the early 2010s.

Mr. Inbetween
07-15-2022, 06:52 AM
What was and could have been.
Lots of pure talent and lots of promise.
A troubled Manc.
Exacerbated by his medical condition.
Never understood why no one chose to pick up the cause on his behalf 'a la Bosman' and challenged the EFL/Federation/FIFA ruling.
I wonder if anything about that position status has changed since.
Another West Ham - Lazio connect.
If anyone can relate and understand Ravels situation it would be Wayne; with all the antics he has endured.
Didn't both start EPL play young; mid teens?
Still, a risk signing.
I wonder what the over and under odds will be that he lasts 30 matches?

Smokecell
07-15-2022, 08:16 AM
Gressel to the Caps for 900k. That’s what we should have been in on.

noxx98
07-15-2022, 08:38 AM
Gressel to the Caps for 900k. That’s what we should have been in on.
That seems like good value. I don't know if he would be the right fit for our system, but good get for the Caps.

jloome
07-15-2022, 11:27 AM
Morrison was getting Davies level hype, about 10 years ago, “would be the best player in Concacaf” etc… back when he was at MUFC and was deciding between England and Jamaica. I lost track of him long ago. (All of that would have made me nervous if the Canada v Jamaica game in March had mattered to Jamaica - he was basically the only scary player in the Jamaica lineup in that game, best I could tell)

Kind of a cautionary tale about what can happen to “can't miss” young stars…

Ravel has ADHD, one of the developmental disorders I have. During his years with Manchester United, the Premier League refused him an exemption to take his medication for it, so he has spent several years with unbalanced neurochemistry.

It’s extremely debilitating with respect to emotional signalling, and generally includes retardation or slower growth of the prefrontal cortex of the brain, which leads to slower emotional development. Typically, the neuroplastic (chemically adaptive) brain makes up for it in some areas with other gifts, such as his athletic skill.

But people with it tend to have very low dopamine production, so motivation and focus are extremely difficult. Empathy can develop later than normal due to the emotional arrests, and child-like naïveté with respect to other adults is quite common. Unless taught otherwise, we tend to see the world in very binary terms of everything being obvious or not, and nuance is difficult.

Anyway, in his case, he had a lot of legal trouble when he was younger. He’s been charged with assault multiple times although also acquitted twice, as well as with witness intimidation. So it’s possible that like Luke Rodgers he will have trouble getting a work permit, although hopefully they accept it was mistakes as a kid.

Anyway, that’s probably why he bottled his career. His coach at Lazio said he was “world class” but “crazy.”

Bushmancan
07-15-2022, 12:34 PM
Gressel to the Caps for 900k. That’s what we should have been in on.

Gressel sounds like he wasn’t in the know

https://twitter.com/JulianGressel/status/1547929014190321667?s=20&t=wlDm24XZE8hYJOhKq4BELw

jloome
07-15-2022, 12:36 PM
Gressel sounds like he wasn’t in the know

https://twitter.com/JulianGressel/status/1547929014190321667?s=20&t=wlDm24XZE8hYJOhKq4BELw

Rooney would’ve made this call. He played his team very narrow at Derby County and I’d expect the same there, so he’ll use fullbacks instead of wingbacks or wide midfielders, and then play a 4-2-3-1. Gressel is the highest value they can immediately shed for wiggle room.

los sonadores
07-16-2022, 01:07 AM
Rooney would’ve made this call. He played his team very narrow at Derby County and I’d expect the same there, so he’ll use fullbacks instead of wingbacks or wide midfielders, and then play a 4-2-3-1. Gressel is the highest value they can immediately shed for wiggle room.

We’re also playing pretty narrow and don’t use wingbacks.

Smokecell
07-19-2022, 05:14 PM
LAFC snags MF Seba Mendez from Orlando for 750k Garber bucks over 3 seasons. Wonder if they are still going to be active in the trade market…

Bushmancan
07-21-2022, 05:42 PM
Lingard to Forest not MLS

https://twitter.com/NFFC/status/1550184845371908097?s=20&t=hDORUqUalN3Wki2s4SmxWw

jloome
07-24-2022, 02:41 PM
Mo Farsi from Calgary Cavalry has been signed by Columbus after leaving the CPL for a sting in MLSNEXTpro. So that pathway seems to be working already. Two Canadian kids signed by Columbus in a month.

Kamp Berg
07-28-2022, 07:36 AM
DC just traded for the GK Ochoa from RSL. I wonder if they are looking to trade Hamid?

rydermike
07-28-2022, 12:48 PM
Jozy Altidore apparently headed to Liga MX

https://twitter.com/tombogert/status/1552672683640463364

JoesphNdo
07-28-2022, 04:28 PM
Jozys agent has to be the best in football, I'd love someone like that on my side next time I'm job hunting

los sonadores
07-28-2022, 07:07 PM
Jozys agent has to be the best in football, I'd love someone like that on my side next time I'm job hunting

Reputation is worth a hell of a lot (off the pitch) in football… Jozy’s clearly still got cred in Liga MX and it was well earned. I hope he somehow does well on loan.

Ultra & Proud
08-02-2022, 02:48 PM
Romano Tweeting that Puig will transfer from Barca to LA.

Going by whatever transfer fee they have to pay plus his wages I can't see him being a non-DP even for a half season. This is probably feulling the 5 DP rumors as it was the MLS 1.0 & 2.0 way to change the rules to keep the Galaxy competitive.

Smokecell
08-03-2022, 12:35 PM
So far today, ahead of tomorrow's deadline:

CB Christian Makoun from CLT to NER for GAM
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CB Adilson Malanda to CLT from Ligue 2 club Rodez.
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Sebastian Lletget from NER to FC Dallas for $600K GAM
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ST Danny Musovski from LAFC to RSL for $250K GAM

MikeForbes
08-05-2022, 02:17 PM
Looks like Christian Benteke was transferred to DCU last minute.

https://twitter.com/BBCSport/status/1555627790866829317?s=20&t=zdKcWBZo8GEaeaSYMF4dqA

Ultra & Proud
08-05-2022, 02:22 PM
Looks like Christian Benteke was transferred to DCU last minute.

https://twitter.com/BBCSport/status/1555627790866829317?s=20&t=zdKcWBZo8GEaeaSYMF4dqA
Not sold on this one at all. Haven't heard numbers but heard "record signing" multiple times.

Kamp Berg
08-06-2022, 12:02 PM
Looks like Mertens is joining Galatasaray

Smokecell
09-02-2022, 05:09 PM
Tyler Pasher, who just signed 24 days ago, has had his contract terminated by NYRB.

rydermike
11-09-2022, 05:44 PM
Not MLS, but Phoenix Rising in the USL Championship signed former TFC TAM player Erickson Gallardo. Scored 10 goals in 31 games in Venezuela top tier.

https://twitter.com/PHXRisingFC/status/1590449152210657287

leedsandTFC
11-10-2022, 03:25 PM
Big move here.

https://twitter.com/effzehNSC/status/1590476898744029184?s=20&t=A-niuPm1V1aRrdM9iIyGdg
look again lol

MikeForbes
11-10-2022, 03:29 PM
look again lol

Loving the new Twitter.

jloome
11-10-2022, 04:24 PM
Loving the new Twitter.

LOL, Twellman retweeted it. Fuck TV reporters are stupid. (I mean.... believe me, many many reporters weren't appearing on Mastermind any time soon, but at least in print they usually checked the source.)

jloome
11-23-2022, 07:14 PM
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/alistair-johnston-celtic-transfer-target-28570152

Less than two hours after the Belgium game.

Blindside16
11-24-2022, 03:58 AM
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/alistair-johnston-celtic-transfer-target-28570152

Less than two hours after the Belgium game.

After that body of work yesterday, there is a 0% chance he plays another minute for Clubbed Foot. He took his game to another level yesterday. It is nuts to think that only 3 years ago he was playing for Vaughan Azzurri in League 1

Mr. Inbetween
11-24-2022, 06:19 AM
After that body of work yesterday, there is a 0% chance he plays another minute for Clubbed Foot. He took his game to another level yesterday. It is nuts to think that only 3 years ago he was playing for Vaughan Azzurri in League 1

Agree, his progression has been absolutely cuckoo!

MikeForbes
11-24-2022, 02:15 PM
Montreal is going to be absolutely pillaged this upcoming transfer window.

https://twitter.com/mlsnetwork/status/1595851970300022784?s=20&t=KLcORQv9zYgTqT7lD7A61A

613reppingTFC
11-24-2022, 04:37 PM
That's on top of losing Mihalovic and Wanyama too

MikeForbes
11-24-2022, 04:46 PM
That's on top of losing Mihalovic and Wanyama too

Yep, with Johnston likely to leave and Miller putting himself on the map. They could go from close to first to worst in a single window since we know Joey hates spending money.

SilverSamurai
11-24-2022, 10:58 PM
Yep, with Johnston likely to leave and Miller putting himself on the map. They could go from close to first to worst in a single window since we know Joey hates spending money.

Don't forget Kone is also poised to leave too.
Just a matter of time.

rydermike
12-03-2022, 09:45 AM
Alistair Johnston officially off to Celtic. Nice little move for CFM. Traded some imaginary Garber bucks and made a bunch of real money 12 months later

https://twitter.com/CelticFC/status/1599040181486624769

ag futbol
12-03-2022, 12:10 PM
https://twitter.com/GalindoPW/status/1599072649019523072
Man, I thought club foot was going to be unrecognizable next year but sound like that is an understatement. Interested to see how this works out. They are going to be FLUSH with Garber bucks but the pantry is empty.

Mr. Inbetween
12-03-2022, 08:25 PM
^
Reply of the day to this matter...

And I am more than ok with it...

https://twitter.com/PaulMcN1996/status/1599074545386033152

MikeForbes
12-04-2022, 01:02 PM
Another one gone.

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1599456680172867584?s=20&t=aZRrNvwEqjcuq-oGDycP6Q

nick.mastro
12-04-2022, 01:17 PM
Really wish he was going to a first division league …

Would’ve loved to see him in Serie A, if that was one of the offers on the table.

NK Toronto
12-04-2022, 02:00 PM
Really wish he was going to a first division league …

Would’ve loved to see him in Serie A, if that was one of the offers on the table.

Better to go to a Championship League team and play then a 1st division club and be a reserve. If he does well he won't be in Watford long.

benito
12-04-2022, 06:28 PM
In this article, it says the plan is to join Watford in January and move to Udinese in the summer of 2023.

https://football-italia.net/udinese-and-watford-do-deal-for-montreal-midfielder-kone/ (https://football-italia.net/udinese-and-watford-do-deal-for-montreal-midfielder-kone/)

ensco
12-04-2022, 07:14 PM
Pretty damn interesting business model for Montreal. They were a cup contender and have made a boatload here.

It'd be interesting to understand the math on Johnston and Mihailovic. I am pretty sure a decent percentage of those guy's fees belong to Nashville and Chicago.

This is your annual reminder that Johnston is a GTA kid who was rejected by the TFC Academy because he was “too small”.

noxx98
12-04-2022, 07:19 PM
Pretty damn interesting business model for Montreal. They were a cup contender and have made a boatload here.

It'd be interesting to understand the math on Johnston and Mihailovic. I am pretty sure a decent percentage of those guy's fees belong to Nashville and Chicago.

This is your annual reminder that Johnston is a GTA kid who was rejected by the TFC Academy because he was “too small”.
Nashville apparently gets 10% of any fee over $1m. So, ~$250k going their way.
https://www.tsn.ca/cf-montreal-acquires-canadian-international-defender-alistair-johnston-from-nashville-1.1739212

Chicago gets 10% of any fee for Mihailovic. So $600k going their way. https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/montreal-impact-set-acquire-djordje-mihailovic-chicago-fire-tom-bogert

ensco
12-04-2022, 07:52 PM
Nashville apparently gets 10% of any fee over $1m. So, ~$250k going their way.
https://www.tsn.ca/cf-montreal-acquires-canadian-international-defender-alistair-johnston-from-nashville-1.1739212

Chicago gets 10% of any fee for Mihailovic. So $600k going their way. https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/montreal-impact-set-acquire-djordje-mihailovic-chicago-fire-tom-bogert

Wow. Not much.

The whole league has a lot to learn from Montreal. Not a happy thing to realize, but the facts are what they are.

noxx98
12-04-2022, 07:59 PM
Wow. Not much.

The whole league has a lot to learn from Montreal. Not a happy thing to realize, but the facts are what they are.
A challenge for the league will be making it so teams can stay competitive even after selling players. Montreal is going to have a huge exodus of talent this offseason. Selling players is a good thing, but I highly doubt Montreal is going to be competitive next year - even if Montreal re-invests into the team with all the new GAM they have (which I doubt they'll do fully). With the current roster rules it's tough for a team to sell multiple starters and be able to be competitive the following season.

ensco
12-04-2022, 08:07 PM
A challenge for the league will be making it so teams can stay competitive even after selling players. Montreal is going to have a huge exodus of talent this offseason. Selling players is a good thing, but I highly doubt Montreal is going to be competitive next year - even if Montreal re-invests into the team with all the new GAM they have (which I doubt they'll do fully). With the current roster rules it's tough for a team to sell multiple starters and be able to be competitive the following season.

This is true. But it depends on what else you are doing.

Just look at us (and Atlanta, and a bunch of others) who spend and spend, without much on field success.

Atlanta and Toronto are in the same hole Montreal is, but have wasted time and money getting into that hole. Montreal made bank and competed well along the way… to wind up in the same place.

Its always about talent evaluation, one way of the other. Montreal has been damn good at it.

noxx98
12-04-2022, 08:28 PM
This is true. But it depends on what else you are doing.

Just look at us (and Atlanta, and a bunch of others) who spend and spend, without much on field success.

Atlanta and Toronto are in the same hole Montreal is, but have wasted time and money getting into that hole. Montreal made bank and competed well along the way… to wind up in the same place.

Its always about talent evaluation, one way of the other. Montreal has been damn good at it.
It's probably a good target for TFC and other MLS teams to have transfer tables that look something like Anderlecht. They buy a handful of younger, high potential players each year and flip the successes for profit. Usually their inbound transfer fees are in the 10-20M range, outgoing around 20-30M. No reason MLS teams couldn't be similar (other than complex roster rules and potential difficulty in recruiting players)
https://www.transfermarkt.us/rsc-anderlecht/alletransfers/verein/58

ensco
12-04-2022, 08:36 PM
Agree re Anderlecht as the model. Or the Portuguese teams.

All those clubs can attract the best kids, because they have credibility when they tell the kid and his parents that they know how to help the kid on his journey. That's something Montreal might be able to say now. We are the club that told Johnston (and Mitrovic and a bunch of others) to buzz off. Our experiment with kids hurt us this year, because of the lack of success.

It¡s depressing. We are NEVER getting a truly top GTA prospect that can be sold to Europe.

MikeForbes
12-04-2022, 09:00 PM
Pretty sad the last two days we have talked more about Montreal than TFC.

Mr. Inbetween
12-04-2022, 11:58 PM
Maybe.
Perhaps CFM's situation is an anomalous happenstance of circumstances culminating through a World Cup?
SirMister sure is cashing in his lottery tickets; how Quebecois of him.
A flip-side view...
Situation typically being the rug is pulled from underneath a team- clean house- because of a failure to perform.
This other 'disruptor' suggestion being that it is pulled from underneath the team- clean house- because you have performed?
Which makes more reasonable sense as a clubs long term business model?
Given the operational complexities and confines of MLS?
While disrupting the league, CFM are also disrupting themselves.
Any reasonable hope for their own club continuity and progression is interrupted; maybe lost.
What's the point of that from a supporter's viewpoint?
Imagine if the circumstances were slightly different and TFC decided to enjoy a fire-sale at end of season 2015 or even 2016?
The equation requires balance.
I suspect it will be a matter of an ownership's perspective and goal.
A business motto of 'Re-Build Due To Success' does not calculate for me.
There absolutely 'is' a fine line between a 'winning' or an 'entertaining' business model.
Between moving one or two prospects a season or another and having annual/biennial/triennial clearance auctions.
Also agree with JPL- Anderlecht as a study case, apart from this season so far.
As well as several PL clubs; say Porto, Sporting and Benfica?
BTW, Portugal outright owns this aspect of the Transfer Market Place.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/steveprice/2021/09/01/how-portugals-primeira-liga-was-the-most-profitable-in-the-transfer-market-this-decade/?sh=2f8590af6690
These examples may be perennial domestic league and international contenders yes.
Yet, other than within their own domestic leagues...
When is the last time that they really competed and won a club International; a Euro Championship League?

noxx98
12-05-2022, 12:57 AM
Agree re Anderlecht as the model. Or the Portuguese teams.

All those clubs can attract the best kids, because they have credibility when they tell the kid and his parents that they know how to help the kid on his journey. That's something Montreal might be able to say now. We are the club that told Johnston (and Mitrovic and a bunch of others) to buzz off. Our experiment with kids hurt us this year, because of the lack of success.

It¡s depressing. We are NEVER getting a truly top GTA prospect that can be sold to Europe.
Hopefully that's changing now - we have Nelson and JMR playing minutes and potentially moving to Europe. Priso got time with us. Shaff picked us coming out of high school in the US. We had a lot of misses at the youth level (Johnston and Buchanan are great examples). Hopefully this is getting fixed now with different staff in place compared to 5+ years ago, but its a hard reputation to break. Having a few case studies to show potential youth players are important. A path to the first team and commitment to youth development, willingness to transfer players abroad when the situation is right, and support for players who maybe aren't cut out for it but will learn and develop. From a total outsider it seems we're not there yet.

OgtheDim
12-05-2022, 07:45 AM
I am VERY leery of operational models that are based on 1 year or less then 4 players.

In the last 7 years, I've seen these teams offerred as the "model for the future"

Seattle
Toronto
Vancouver
Atlanta
LAFC
NYRB
Columbus
SKC

now Montreal


Only Seattle has had some sustainability


Success in this league is more based on GM & President capability then "approach"

ensco
12-05-2022, 07:47 AM
Good point re Shaff. The one that got away. Not too sure about the others. Nelson, maybe. JMR, I have never seen it on the pitch.

There is a big difference between development and minutes played. Montreal had both for young Canadians. TFC had only the latter, and we all know now that, as it turns out, our young Canadians were just cheap placeholders for expected reinforcements. No WC calls or transfers here…

Development was what Oso got here btw. He earned his way into a talented lineup.

ensco
12-05-2022, 08:11 AM
I am VERY leery of operational models that are based on 1 year or less then 4 players.

In the last 7 years, I've seen these teams offerred as the "model for the future"

Seattle
Toronto
Vancouver
Atlanta
LAFC
NYRB
Columbus
SKC

now Montreal


Only Seattle has had some sustainability


Success in this league is more based on GM & President capability then "approach"

I buy your point. But I think we have very much become a selling league.

I guess I would amend to say, Montreal is winning, by a mile, the early innings of that new game.

Your point that it is not enough to declare them victors of the game does seems right.

The Anderlecht/Portuguese conversation is where we need to go. There are going to be 2-3 of those teams in MLS. Who will they be?

I think, if we want to seriously address this, we have to buy Sigma. Or something similar.

ag futbol
12-05-2022, 08:32 AM
I think Montreal’s strategy is a “play the cards you have” situation. We have better options at our disposal. For every year Porto makes a run a deep run in CL, the Barca, Man City, and others mega-clubs of the world make 4.

I think our issue is really a lack of identity beyond high priced talent. And also questions if the management team can actually execute on the vision in the manner required to win.

Mr. Inbetween
12-05-2022, 09:44 AM
...I think, if we want to seriously address this, we have to buy Sigma. Or something similar.

Wholeheartedly!
At the moment... more likely?
'Or something similar'.
Seems SirMister has in the recent past and may already again be entertaining the notion...
Excuse the pun, to 'Forge', such a possible tenuous relationship.
Seems CLM may have considered Bobby Smyrniotis only to engage Wilfred Nancy as manager.
Seems SirMister vetoed the selection because of his lack of French.
Now supposedly the once CFM manager candidate may be under serious consideration again.
Makes sense in a developmental- buy/sell model.

https://twitter.com/aminesabri514/status/1597709187890704384

https://twitter.com/Cpl2Canada/status/1596789765726035969

Smokecell
12-05-2022, 10:57 AM
Good point re Shaff. The one that got away. Not too sure about the others. Nelson, maybe. JMR, I have never seen it on the pitch.

There is a big difference between development and minutes played. Montreal had both for young Canadians. TFC had only the latter, and we all know now that, as it turns out, our young Canadians were just cheap placeholders for expected reinforcements. No WC calls or transfers here…

Development was what Oso got here btw. He earned his way into a talented lineup.

The bolded part is key IMO. There are a lot of calls on here for opportunity to be simply given. We haven't seen many earn it over the years and this is why we see them cast off. Those that have what it takes will show it one way or another, and sometimes that takes a change of scenery. Hindsight is of course 20/20 but I'd argue that we've seen a lot of kids get here and coast thinking that they have 'made it'. I'm not sure that talent recognition is as broken as it has been made out to be at TFC.

ag futbol
12-05-2022, 11:21 AM
The bolded part is key IMO. There are a lot of calls on here for opportunity to be simply given. We haven't seen many earn it over the years and this is why we see them cast off. Those that have what it takes will show it one way or another, and sometimes that takes a change of scenery. Hindsight is of course 20/20 but I'd argue that we've seen a lot of kids get here and coast thinking that they have 'made it'. I'm not sure that talent recognition is as broken as it has been made out to be at TFC.
Agreed, but let me say this:

Certainly we can either 1) find better local youth players who understand the effort and intensity required to actually make it in the league (given many have left and excelled elsewhere). 2) do a better job of coaching so the youth players we have better understand the assignment.

Most of guys we graduate look incredibly naive.

ensco
12-05-2022, 11:43 AM
I know this got dunked on severely when I posted it a few weeks ago… but I still fear that Oso may wind up in Montreal…

TheGoodson
12-05-2022, 12:41 PM
I know this got dunked on severely when I posted it a few weeks ago… but I still fear that Oso may wind up in Montreal…

The only way I could have seen that happen is if Montreal could offer what ever they wanted. But a 15% raise is what they can offer due to the CBA. I can’t see TFC letting him go for that Just my 2 cents

ensco
12-05-2022, 01:38 PM
^My concern isn’t about what TFC will offer, its more that , one, we let this guy get out of contract - Oso may privately resent that. Two, whatever we think about Manning and the BB/MB setup, well, he may feel that too. This hasn’t been a great 2-3 years here.

ag futbol
12-05-2022, 01:50 PM
^My concern isn’t about what TFC will offer, its more that , one, we let this guy get out of contract - Oso may privately resent that. Two, whatever we think about Manning and the BB/MB setup, well, he may feel that too. This hasn’t been a great 2-3 years here.
^ I think it was his choice this time to play it out. But, he may still want a change of scenery. Not going to be surprised if he signs elsewhere in MLS

leedsandTFC
12-05-2022, 06:16 PM
wilfried nancy signing for columbus.

so montreal has lost their 4 best players and their coach this offseason.

but hey i guess those transfer fees can help offset the losses joey was complaining about.

OgtheDim
12-05-2022, 07:10 PM
About TFC & Sigma

Sigma exists to give the Symiotis family a powerful soccer tool for their own soccer success - and as a way to stick it to people who they don't like. Guess who they don't like the most?

If Bobby goes to Club Foot, its because they offer a pathway for Sigma to get involved in Quebec - that's a business deal.