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OgtheDim
10-28-2021, 01:13 PM
Got Nothing Left



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUGhri0UCW0

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Have At It People

MightyDM
10-28-2021, 02:03 PM
At this rate we are going to end up with Oso and Marky at CB…

Ultra & Proud
10-28-2021, 03:30 PM
At this rate we are going to end up with Oso and Marky at CB…
They can take turns double pivoting the ball out of our net.

PizzaEatingYeti
10-30-2021, 03:13 PM
Is this thread the absolute negative record in this forum's history, concerning number of posts in match threads, before match start?

There are only 2 hours until match start, and my post is the 4th of the thread!

noxx98
10-30-2021, 03:56 PM
Is this thread the absolute negative record in this forum's history, concerning number of posts in match threads, before match start?

There are only 2 hours until match start, and my post is the 4th of the thread!
Interest in the club is basically nil at this point... Sadly.
With Canadian Championship on Wednesday, we will be resting a lot of players. I imagine Oso, Richie, Poz, Jozy, and Shaff are all rested. Maybe Marky and MB rest as well. Bono apparently has a small knock, so Westberg should be getting the start. Hopefully the summer of Perruzza can get started now.

MikeForbes
10-30-2021, 04:29 PM
The B team featuring Pozuelo and Altidore tonight.

OgtheDim
10-30-2021, 04:34 PM
Interested in the yutes, especially Dunn.

Result is meaningless.

No injuries. Have fun. Don't get embarrassed.

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 05:21 PM
Well. Quite the line up. All for one

jloome
10-30-2021, 05:21 PM
Don't get embarrassed.

That'll be a stretch. New lineup, new formation. We're going to get hammered.

jloome
10-30-2021, 05:24 PM
Interesting how we're moving the ball. It's like staggered one-twos between the lines. Perez may have put this together to keep pressure in Atlanta's end. Can't get caught on too many breaks though or we're hosed.

OgtheDim
10-30-2021, 05:25 PM
Not exactly a full stadium.

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 05:26 PM
Quite hard to figure out who is playing where. Hope it is easier for the players…

OgtheDim
10-30-2021, 05:26 PM
Zonal marking on the corner - Westberg physically placing Gonzalez & Altidore.


Young kids not used to the turf.

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 05:29 PM
Alternating between looking ok and terrible

alex andrew
10-30-2021, 05:30 PM
so far so pretty good

OgtheDim
10-30-2021, 05:30 PM
Not sure DeLeon is going to come back up north from this game.

SoccMan2
10-30-2021, 05:31 PM
Not exactly a full stadium.
We are drawing flies maybe a 1000 a game the last what 7 homes game ? That stadium
is rocking and maybe over 35000 easily . We keep drawing flies and goodbye TFC in a few years . Plus Atlanta Braves have a home World Series game in Atlanta tonight .

jloome
10-30-2021, 05:31 PM
It's spreading the field wide and Atlanta are used to playing tight. It's interesting. Still seems defensively risky, but who knows.

jloome
10-30-2021, 05:33 PM
Dunn with the smart stutter step to push Barco onto his weak foot. He's learned a few things in three years, perhaps.

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 05:35 PM
I’m listening to the US feed and they are basically saying “how on earth are Toronto this bad” on the season and specifically “how can they go from second to giving up 60+ goals” and mention Bono pass to Higuain

OgtheDim
10-30-2021, 05:36 PM
That stadium is not using the upper bowl & is half full at that - 20K, maybe. The issue with Atlanta always what happens when another local team does well & Atlanta has not been doing so well.


Edit

https://twitter.com/FelipeCar/status/1454573173396082690

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 05:36 PM
Oh FFS

MikeForbes
10-30-2021, 05:36 PM
Gonna need two new keepers next year.

jloome
10-30-2021, 05:37 PM
Jesus Christ, what a stupid goal to give up.

OgtheDim
10-30-2021, 05:37 PM
I’m listening to the US feed and they are basically saying “how on earth are Toronto this bad” on the season and specifically “how can they go from second to giving up 60+ goals” and mention Bono pass to Higuain


JINX

SoccMan2
10-30-2021, 05:37 PM
Get rid of these hopeless keepers both of them total crap , get a real job give up total crap embarrassing.

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 05:38 PM
“That’s a dreadful goal. Reminiscent of the one against Inter Miami with Alex Bono in goal. So avoidable”

PizzaEatingYeti
10-30-2021, 05:38 PM
For next season we need 2 new goalkeepers.

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 05:39 PM
JINX

Usually Jinx is when you praise them…

ag futbol
10-30-2021, 05:40 PM
Let’s be fair to Westberg here, while that’s an obvious error, in the entire time he’s played with TFC that’s the only time I’ve seen him whif like that with the ball at his feet. Unfortunate, but it happens in the long run.

Morrow also has a habit of playing his teammates under pressure, probably shouldn’t have used the keeper there although Westberg still had enough time to deal with it

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 05:40 PM
“We’ve seen Toronto play in the front foot this year, but they never seem to score, they never seem to win games”. Brutal.

jloome
10-30-2021, 05:41 PM
Gonzalez lets Martinez drift behind him. Terrible positioning.

MikeForbes
10-30-2021, 05:42 PM
I see something in Okello and JMR. I just can't see it with Nelson.

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 05:44 PM
Let’s be fair to Westberg here, while that’s an obvious error, in the entire time he’s played with TFC that’s the only time I’ve seen him whif like that with the ball at his feet. Unfortunate, but it happens in the long run.

Morrow also has a habit of playing his teammates under pressure, probably shouldn’t have used the keeper there although Westberg still had enough time to deal with it

I really like Westberg and love his distribution, but he has made that kind of move on many occasions - it’s always wrong and he has been caught at least once before.

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 05:45 PM
I see something in Okello and JMR. I just can't see it with Nelson.

Agree. I never have. Pace and skill but doesn’t seem to be able to apply it within a structure.

ag futbol
10-30-2021, 05:46 PM
I really like Westberg and love his distribution, but he has made that kind of move on many occasions - it’s always wrong and he has been caught at least once before.
I don’t recall but it’s a fair assessment. Doing a cruyff turn on your goal line is never the answer. He had enough room to put his foot though it.

Auzzy
10-30-2021, 05:47 PM
Gonna need two new keepers next year.

Totally agree. Bono with the 3rd-worst save percentage in the league this season, but one of the higher GK salaries.

Westberg really seems to have lost his sharpness. I seem to remember a similar gaffe earlier this year. TFC might have had a decent reason not to play him much this year. Despite all of Bono's problem, our record with Westberg has actually been worse this season.

Dunn could have gotten a yellow earlier. He seems to suffer from a malaise I've seen from many young Cdn players on TFC: that they somehow feel they have to act cool on the field. Dunn had a step on the Atlanta player, but somehow felt that jogging and sliding would be enough.

OgtheDim
10-30-2021, 05:48 PM
Atlanta is defensively not all that good.

MikeForbes
10-30-2021, 05:48 PM
Also, what happened to Poz? He just looks so average right now.

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 05:49 PM
I don’t recall but it’s a fair assessment. Doing a cruyff turn on your goal line is never the answer. He had enough room to put his foot though it.

I can’t remember the game but I remember thinking before that he was going to get caught on one of those. And then he did. To be fair to him it’s only one. Well, two…

ag futbol
10-30-2021, 05:51 PM
Also, what happened to Poz? He just looks so average right now.
Dude looks depressed, has for a while. Let’s hope if we make the changes rumoured he snaps out of it and starts playing the way he did before 2021.

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 05:51 PM
Nelson always seems to be behind the play defensively and sprinting to catch up.

alex andrew
10-30-2021, 05:52 PM
in my books it was an accident, it happens

might help us in the end

my theory with don't do harm...don't take advantage...

we'll do good

jloome
10-30-2021, 05:52 PM
Agree. I never have. Pace and skill but doesn’t seem to be able to apply it within a structure.

He's looked pretty good today. He looked pretty good last game.

I dunno... he looked confused a couple of seasons ago when they played him inside but he looks at least reasonable wide.

OgtheDim
10-30-2021, 05:53 PM
For next season we need 2 new goalkeepers.


Yeh, I've been high on Westberg but the Covid era has broken him I fear.

jloome
10-30-2021, 05:54 PM
Jozy just refuses to play any role except running off the back shoulder. Watch him. He rarely moves into space to support or to help retain possession. He drifts between the two centre halfs waiting for a chance to break the offside.

I'm sure it's where he's most dangerous but it makes him pretty limiting.

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 05:56 PM
He's looked pretty good today. He looked pretty good last game.

I dunno... he looked confused a couple of seasons ago when they played him inside but he looks at least reasonable wide.

Fair enough. You are right that we shouldn’t be too harsh.

OgtheDim
10-30-2021, 05:56 PM
Jozy just refuses to play any role except running off the back shoulder. Watch him. He rarely moves into space to support or to help retain possession. .

Saw him a couple of times linking up dropping in deep at the start of an attack but he needs quick ball to be good & Okello & Deleon & Poz just slow everything down.

Auzzy
10-30-2021, 05:56 PM
Westberg has been taking distribution lessons from Bono. ;)

MikeForbes
10-30-2021, 05:58 PM
A whole lot of out stretched arms and blaming teammates happening on the field.

OgtheDim
10-30-2021, 06:04 PM
A whole lot of out stretched arms and blaming teammates happening on the field.


Funny little thing I've noticed the last few weeks. The most "hey, nice try" sort of guy out there with his teammates is Jozy. Applauding the youngster's efforts.


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Of note, we are getting possession because Atlanta knows our attack is poor & our defence worse.

https://twitter.com/FelipeCar/status/1454580990186229768

ag futbol
10-30-2021, 06:04 PM
I think there’s some of the old guard here that have reached the end of their road.

Okello looks good. He’s not just taking the first option but wheeling around to cut passes inside or play reverse balls.

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 06:05 PM
Well done Nelson

Auzzy
10-30-2021, 06:05 PM
Also, what happened to Poz? He just looks so average right now.

I agree Pozuelo has often looked average the last few games. However watching a number of plays tonight, it's often tied to general problems with the team. Sometimes they look decent; sometimes they don't know where the hell to go or how to interact with each other. Watch how often everyone stops and stares at Pozuelo when he has the ball. Little movement; few options.

And yes it is time for Caldwell to STFU once more. What he calls the "modern game" has been the game for at least 30 years. You can't hack through people from the back to get to the ball, even if some of those fouls didn't get called in TFC's benefit the past few games.

Amazing recovery by Nelson.

MikeForbes
10-30-2021, 06:07 PM
Funny little thing I've noticed the last few weeks. The most "hey, nice try" sort of guy out there with his teammates is Jozy. Applauding the youngster's efforts.


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Of note, we are getting possession because Atlanta knows our attack is poor & our defence worse.

It is nice to see Jozy encouraging the guys. He used to be the worst offender for yelling and throwing his hands up in disgust.

jloome
10-30-2021, 06:09 PM
Meh. We're playing okay. The problem with setting up to counter the other team's movement with a formation we don't normally play is that having strong support play and possession at ANY point is very difficult. So we're getting a lot of the ball but it's mostly between the midfield and box, very little danger.

Still, Atlanta look just as loose. They have better weapons and haven't fucked up yet but it's pretty even without the inevitable boneheaded gaffe.

jloome
10-30-2021, 06:10 PM
It is nice to see Jozy encouraging the guys. He used to be the worst offender for yelling and throwing his hands up in disgust.

Both he and Mullinho have encouraged both Nelson and JMR today. Good to see.

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 06:11 PM
I think there’s some of the old guard here that have reached the end of their road.

Okello looks good. He’s not just taking the first option but wheeling around to cut passes inside or play reverse balls.

DeLeon and Justin Morrow look off the pace. Jozy has had some great touches, but doesn’t seem to have any acceleration, even when he is clearly hustling. Poz seems slow reacting sometimes.

Gotta give them credit for not collapsing.

OgtheDim
10-30-2021, 06:12 PM
If you don't care about the result & the tactics & the quality of play....its not a bad game.

ag futbol
10-30-2021, 06:15 PM
Kilbane is bang on, as usual.

alex andrew
10-30-2021, 06:15 PM
If you don't care about the result & the tactics & the quality of play....its not a bad game.

exactly

looking forward to the second half

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 06:16 PM
Spurs v Man U was no roaring hell either

MikeForbes
10-30-2021, 06:17 PM
I'd personally take Jozy off early in the second half. No need to risk him before Wednesday and he is coming off the first full 90 minutes he has played in a loooong time.

MikeForbes
10-30-2021, 06:17 PM
Kilbane is bang on, as usual.

He is awesome. He needs to be the color guy next year.

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 06:17 PM
Kilbane is bang on, as usual.

What’s the gist? I have the Atlanta feed

jloome
10-30-2021, 06:18 PM
We should've called up Rothrock for this game and given him a start. He's been great for TFC II over the last six weeks.

OgtheDim
10-30-2021, 06:18 PM
The tools commercial where 3 out of 4 are out for the season & 1 of em ain't gonna play until we absolutely have to put him in.

MikeForbes
10-30-2021, 06:19 PM
The tools commercial where 3 out of 4 are out for the season & 1 of em ain't gonna play until we absolutely have to put him in.

Also, what the hell is Soteldo gonna do with that drill when he catches it while leaning over the ball?

OgtheDim
10-30-2021, 06:20 PM
What’s the gist? I have the Atlanta feed


Toronto makes a ton of bone head mistakes & that is what has cost them all season

Young guys learning a lot & getting better

Atlanta should be winning by a lot more because Toronto has been gifting them opportunities but Atlanta's finishing has been poor

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 06:21 PM
I'd personally take Jozy off early in the second half. No need to risk him before Wednesday and he is coming off the first full 90 minutes he has played in a loooong time.

Probably about right. Who comes in though?

OgtheDim
10-30-2021, 06:21 PM
Also, what the hell is Soteldo gonna do with that drill when he catches it while leaning over the ball?


I think its an air compressor.

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 06:21 PM
Toronto makes a ton of bone head mistakes & that is what has cost them all season

Young guys learning a lot & getting better

Atlanta should be winning by a lot more because Toronto has been gifting them opportunities but Atlanta's finishing has been poor

That’s what I’m seeing too.

jloome
10-30-2021, 06:22 PM
Probably about right. Who comes in though?

Eh, stick Shaff up there, see how he does as a striker. He has speed, he knows how to be at a trap. We could do worse; he'd score more than Mullins or Dwyer.
EDIT: Hey! Peruzza gets some time. Good.

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 06:23 PM
Looks like several subs for Toronto.

MikeForbes
10-30-2021, 06:23 PM
Smart subs.

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 06:27 PM
43,372 they just said attendance is, if I heard correctly

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 06:29 PM
What a let off

Auzzy
10-30-2021, 06:29 PM
LOL, Atlanta being extra nice to TFC tonight.

OgtheDim
10-30-2021, 06:30 PM
I don't know which is more "No way" - that attendance figure or Martinez missing so many.

jloome
10-30-2021, 06:30 PM
Damnnn... Dunn did well there. Why hasn't he had a chance so far, anyway?

Auzzy
10-30-2021, 06:31 PM
Holy fuck Westberg, put your foot through it there.

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 06:32 PM
Damnnn... Dunn did well there. Why hasn't he had a chance so far, anyway?

Very good question.

ag futbol
10-30-2021, 06:32 PM
I feel like these subs were about the upcoming game and not tailored to who has been playing well.

Otherwise, I definitely would have pulled Mullins and DeLeon

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 06:33 PM
I don't know which is more "No way" - that attendance figure or Martinez missing so many.
LOL!

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 06:34 PM
They cannot let those offsides go so long. Ridiculous. That’s how Priso got hurt.

jloome
10-30-2021, 06:34 PM
That was the latest "it's already back in play" offside I've ever seen.

OgtheDim
10-30-2021, 06:36 PM
They cannot let those offsides go so long. Ridiculous. That’s how Priso got hurt.


Should be a rule in place that once 2 more passes are made the flag goes up.

ag futbol
10-30-2021, 06:38 PM
They cannot let those offsides go so long. Ridiculous. That’s how Priso got hurt.
In fairness, Priso more than likely broke his ankle the play before when Bou stepped on it and his leg buckled. It just took some more standing on it before it fully cracked.

But none the less, they should whistle that dead.

noxx98
10-30-2021, 06:38 PM
Summer of Perruzza is still not starting. Bad miss.

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 06:40 PM
Should be a rule in place that once 2 more passes are made the flag goes up.

I’m ok with the actual rule. Raise the flag.

Auzzy
10-30-2021, 06:40 PM
Wow so many screw-ups before the off-side goal. JMR coughs up the ball and decides to slow-jog in response. Then a moment later he had another chance to help on defence and doesn't even try.

Next, Lawrence lets the ball through for absolutely no reason.


A while later we saw why Dunn hasn't played more. Very hot and very cold.

Why the hell did Delgado wait so long and play such a soft pass to Perruzaa? Sure he should have scored, but he could have had time & space with a better pass from Delgado.

OgtheDim
10-30-2021, 06:42 PM
JMR does a foul throw every time & its going to get called one game.

Auzzy
10-30-2021, 06:43 PM
Oh no Nelsen has been taking lessons from Soteldo...

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 06:46 PM
DLeon looks gassed

Edit: in more ways than one. He has been a good and faithful servant for TFC but looks like he has reached the end.

ag futbol
10-30-2021, 06:46 PM
Oh no Nelsen has been taking lessons from Soteldo...
It’s moments like this whether I wonder if 90% of our coaching staff are just a bunch of grifters.

Has nobody been able to articulate to these youngsters the basics tenants of playing first team football? Or heck, football period.

OgtheDim
10-30-2021, 06:49 PM
Summer of Perruzza is still not starting. Bad miss.


He is basically a clone of Mullins - just slightly more positional awareness.

OgtheDim
10-30-2021, 06:52 PM
Delgado looking tired & he came on this half.

Auzzy
10-30-2021, 06:54 PM
DLeon looks gassed

Edit: in more ways than one. He has been a good and faithful servant for TFC but looks like he has reached the end.

I totally agree, but looking at the bench, who do you put on? I guess Shaff coming on now, they didn't want to tire him out.

Delgado also looks gassed and he only came on at half, or just unmotivated.

Auzzy
10-30-2021, 06:55 PM
Delgado looking tired & he came on this half.

Jinx.

jloome
10-30-2021, 06:55 PM
I totally agree, but looking at the bench, who do you put on? I guess Shaff coming on now, they didn't want to tire him out.

Delgado also looks gassed and he only came on at half, or just unmotivated.

DeLeon has a spare tire developing; dude has lifted his shirt a couple of times and he does NOT look optimally fit.

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 06:55 PM
I totally agree, but looking at the bench, who do you put on? I guess Shaff coming on now, they didn't want to tire him out.

Delgado also looks gassed and he only came on at half, or just unmotivated.

Agree. Glad to see Shaff on though. Weird about Marky. Totally unmotivated is how it looks.

Auzzy
10-30-2021, 06:56 PM
Who on TFC passed the ball to Martinez earlier?

jloome
10-30-2021, 06:57 PM
Who on TFC passed the ball to Martinez earlier?

Delgado didn't see him.

OgtheDim
10-30-2021, 06:57 PM
Its like Atlanta is coming up to TFC's house & saying "Trick or Treat!" & we are just giving them the candy.....and then they drop it all on the way out the driveway.

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 06:59 PM
BTW I’m not so sure those are foul throws. The action is two handed and over his head

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 07:01 PM
Atlanta commentators saying “no one is going to be scared of them going into the playoffs”

Auzzy
10-30-2021, 07:03 PM
Its like Atlanta is coming up to TFC's house & saying "Trick or Treat!" & we are just giving them the candy.....and then they drop it all on the way out the driveway.

Can you imagine if TFC nicks a goal here? Might have to start the car and rev that motor already...

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 07:05 PM
Can you imagine if TFC nicks a goal here? Might have to start the car and rev that motor already...

Yup!

Auzzy
10-30-2021, 07:05 PM
Too many frigging gaffes by Westberg.

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 07:06 PM
Atlanta have been shockingly bad near our box. should have been out of sight

OgtheDim
10-30-2021, 07:07 PM
Considering his lack of experience & who he has been playing beside in the midfield & in front of...Okello's been not too bad.

noxx98
10-30-2021, 07:07 PM
Summer of Perruzza is BACK ON.

Auzzy
10-30-2021, 07:07 PM
START the FREAKIN....

jloome
10-30-2021, 07:07 PM
LOL, are we going to play spoiler again? Three teams in three games.

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 07:07 PM
Can you imagine if TFC nicks a goal here? Might have to start the car and rev that motor already...

Vroom, vroom

ag futbol
10-30-2021, 07:07 PM
Best summer ever, hahah!

benito
10-30-2021, 07:08 PM
Nice cross by nelson and cushion header by Dwyer to Perruzza with goaL.

jloome
10-30-2021, 07:08 PM
Summer of Perruzza is BACK ON.
LOL, Perfect.

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 07:08 PM
Considering his lack of experience & who he has been playing beside in the midfield & in front of...Okello's been not too bad.

Yes. Promise.

Auzzy
10-30-2021, 07:10 PM
My god damn TSN Live feed froze...

jloome
10-30-2021, 07:10 PM
It's going to be a shame if Perez loses his job after this season. I don't know how much more he could've done with our roster and personality issues but he has, at the very least, turned the second half of the season into less of an embarrassment and gotten the kids some time.

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 07:11 PM
US commentators praising the Shaff

Auzzy
10-30-2021, 07:12 PM
START the FREAKIN....

CaRRRRRRR!

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 07:12 PM
It's going to be a shame if Perez loses his job after this season. I don't know how much more he could've done with our roster and personality issues but he has, at the very least, turned the second half of the season into less of an embarrassment and gotten the kids some time.

You are right, and I like him a lot. But. Is he really the right guy?

jloome
10-30-2021, 07:12 PM
My god damn TSN Live feed froze...
Mine's still going through a browser window.

OgtheDim
10-30-2021, 07:12 PM
Can you imagine if TFC nicks a goal here? Might have to start the car and rev that motor already...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlWCLw75XnE

ag futbol
10-30-2021, 07:13 PM
Imagine giving the guy who scores in the academy, USL-1, and USL-Pro a chance to score a goal in MLS.

Novel concept

Auzzy
10-30-2021, 07:13 PM
LOL 47k in attendance not even close. Less than half that.

Auzzy
10-30-2021, 07:14 PM
Mine's still going through a browser window.

I had to refresh in the browser. Froze just before Atlanta's corner and I missed a couple minutes.

MikeForbes
10-30-2021, 07:14 PM
Good stuff. The team actually looked better after those three halftime subs.

noxx98
10-30-2021, 07:15 PM
Lots of positives to take from that game, despite a lot of the errors. Dunn was dependable. Perruzza demonstrated his ability as a poacher as our 3rd striker next season. Okello looked good. Nelson had his ups and downs, but had a great pass to Dwyer to set up the goal. Perez has done a good job of settling down the team in the stretch run. I don't know if he should be the coach next season, as we can really spend some money on a coach, but I hope he can be back as a top assistant and get his shot later on.

alex andrew
10-30-2021, 07:16 PM
we won

i don't count atlanta's goal

bravo tfc

SoccMan2
10-30-2021, 07:20 PM
LOL 47k in attendance not even close. Less than half that.
Lol should be the embarrassment that is the TFC attendance for most of this season , I doubt we’ve had more than 1000 a game most games this season . Even when if there was 22000 there tonight still a lot better than just friends and family at TFC games this season , TFC attendance has been a complete embarrassment by far the worst in the league it’s not even close , how about we stop making comments on other teams attendance when ours has been totally embarrassing!

Auzzy
10-30-2021, 07:26 PM
Lol should be the embarrassment that is the TFC attendance for most of this season , I doubt we’ve had more than 1000 a game most games this season . Even when if there was 22000 there tonight still a lot better than just friends and family at TFC games this season , TFC attendance has been a complete embarrassment by far the worst in the league it’s not even close , how about we stop making comments on other teams attendance when ours has been totally embarrassing!

I agree that TFC's attendance has brutally sucked especially after the end of the summer. But that's a separate issue from Atlanta publishing such an obviously false number, it's embarrassing. Why did you see that as a comparison to TFC's attendance anyway, a bit sensitive perhaps? Two different things can be embarrassing in different and unrelated ways.

And if you really want to compare, if TFC was still in a playoff race, their attendance would have been better than Atlanta today. Especially if TFC had an indoor stadium and no weather issues as an extra excuse.

EDIT the last thing was false: Atlanta actually kept the roof open today despite some rain.

OgtheDim
10-30-2021, 07:32 PM
Personally wondering why anybody in Toronto is really even concerned about attendance here, let alone thinking it means anything. None of us have to go to any games unless we want to - everything is opt in.

And...covid still exists (unlike people in the UK & the States who seem to think its gone so why not go around everywhere)

Lets see what uptake is like next season when you either buy a membership or look for a ticket on the day.


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Good day for the yutes.

Still need to clean house.

noimpactinmtl
10-30-2021, 07:39 PM
You are right, and I like him a lot. But. Is he really the right guy?

There is no right guy; just the right circumstances.

MightyDM
10-30-2021, 07:53 PM
There is no right guy; just the right circumstances.

Very interesting way of putting it.

OgtheDim
10-30-2021, 09:53 PM
Watched the goal a few times now & that was a result of how ATL likes to play.

They have everybody back at first for the FK (quickly taken after put down again btw).

Then, when the ball goes out from their defenders, all their forwards rush out quickly in case there is a counter (JMR actually begins to drop back seeing it while Shaff runs hard in) & all their defenders go right to the 18 to put pressure on the return & hopefully start a counter. Well that certainly creates a lot of pressure on the ball back in because if its wrong they are off to the races quickly. BUT, if the ball is back in, their discipline of getting to the line doesn't allow them to notice anybody behind them.

Its a good ball in from Nelson & a good instinctive header back across from Dwyer. And Peruzza buries it. He's wide open because they forget to watch for the man.

Its a GREAT poacher's goal - taking what they give you.

MightyDM
10-31-2021, 05:10 AM
Watched the goal a few times now & that was a result of how ATL likes to play.

They have everybody back at first for the FK (quickly taken after put down again btw).

Then, when the ball goes out from their defenders, all their forwards rush out quickly in case there is a counter (JMR actually begins to drop back seeing it while Shaff runs hard in) & all their defenders go right to the 18 to put pressure on the return & hopefully start a counter. Well that certainly creates a lot of pressure on the ball back in because if its wrong they are off to the races quickly. BUT, if the ball is back in, their discipline of getting to the line doesn't allow them to notice anybody behind them.

Its a good ball in from Nelson & a good instinctive header back across from Dwyer. And Peruzza buries it. He's wide open because they forget to watch for the man.

Its a GREAT poacher's goal - taking what they give you.

Gotta give Dwyer some love. Excellent header, perfectly placed.

PizzaEatingYeti
10-31-2021, 06:04 AM
With all the young guys thrown in, TFC played surprisingly good except defense/defending, which of course was horrible (Atlanta should have won with at least 4 goals), and was horrible all season.

I am tempted at this point to suggest something totally crazy:
In the offseason invest all your effort in bringing new players exclusively for defense (including goalkeepers), which needs a 100% overhaul except Lawrence, Auro and Richie!
And do not bring anyone new who has profile from defense up the field.

Yeah, we lack badly a good center forward, but we were so shit the whole season because of the utter shit defense.
With a strong defense and the same so and so attack performance we would be a solid playoff team.

(But of course this will never ever happen, first because bringing in no matter how good defense guys, will not put more bums in the seats at BMO field.)

Gringo Starr
10-31-2021, 09:09 AM
Gotta give Dwyer some love. Excellent header, perfectly placed.

I hope Perruzza gets the Mullins/Dwyer minutes next year

Ultra & Proud
10-31-2021, 10:43 AM
I hope Perruzza gets the Mullins/Dwyer minutes next year

His back problems might prevent that. I wonder if we had a new GM & manager that brought in a good physio staff instead of what we have now if they could work on him and turn it around. Currently our physio team is obviously terrible. Same injuries over and over.

MightyDM
10-31-2021, 06:38 PM
With all the young guys thrown in, TFC played surprisingly good except defense/defending, which of course was horrible (Atlanta should have won with at least 4 goals), and was horrible all season.

I am tempted at this point to suggest something totally crazy:
In the offseason invest all your effort in bringing new players exclusively for defense (including goalkeepers), which needs a 100% overhaul except Lawrence, Auro and Richie!
And do not bring anyone new who has profile from defense up the field.

Yeah, we lack badly a good center forward, but we were so shit the whole season because of the utter shit defense.
With a strong defense and the same so and so attack performance we would be a solid playoff team.

(But of course this will never ever happen, first because bringing in no matter how good defense guys, will not put more bums in the seats at BMO field.)

I think you are right. Maybe address the Pozuelo / Soteldo skill overlap, but otherwise get solid at the rear as the first and only priority

Gringo Starr
10-31-2021, 06:58 PM
His back problems might prevent that. I wonder if we had a new GM & manager that brought in a good physio staff instead of what we have now if they could work on him and turn it around. Currently our physio team is obviously terrible. Same injuries over and over.

Is his back issue chronic or was it a strain that just took a while to get over?

jloome
10-31-2021, 07:23 PM
Is his back issue chronic or was it a strain that just took a while to get over?

I think they called it 'recurring' but that could just mean he re-strained it. Given how regularly he played prior to this year I would tend to think the latter, just a temporary thing.

Ultra & Proud
10-31-2021, 07:35 PM
I think they called it 'recurring' but that could just mean he re-strained it. Given how regularly he played prior to this year I would tend to think the latter, just a temporary thing.

Either way, with our current medical/physio team it, much like everyone else's strains, will always be recurring.

Initial B
10-31-2021, 08:44 PM
(But of course this will never ever happen, first because bringing in no matter how good defense guys, will not put more bums in the seats at BMO field.)
But you could argue that it has to happen because a steady defense will mean more wins which will in turn put bums in the seats as people hear the TFC is a good team again.

Canary10
11-01-2021, 08:48 AM
With all the young guys thrown in, TFC played surprisingly good except defense/defending, which of course was horrible (Atlanta should have won with at least 4 goals), and was horrible all season.

I am tempted at this point to suggest something totally crazy:
In the offseason invest all your effort in bringing new players exclusively for defense (including goalkeepers), which needs a 100% overhaul except Lawrence, Auro and Richie!
And do not bring anyone new who has profile from defense up the field.

Yeah, we lack badly a good center forward, but we were so shit the whole season because of the utter shit defense.
With a strong defense and the same so and so attack performance we would be a solid playoff team.

(But of course this will never ever happen, first because bringing in no matter how good defense guys, will not put more bums in the seats at BMO field.)

How has Dayne St. Clair been doing this year? He might be a good target for a new keeper.

613reppingTFC
11-01-2021, 11:09 AM
Either way, with our current medical/physio team it, much like everyone else's strains, will always be recurring.

I know it's not everything but I remember watching this video they put out earlier in the season- red reflections https://youtu.be/xkVSdNNhz6E and it was one of the sports therapists history. Not that you can't change professions and he does have his masters in sports therapy but he started out going to school for agriculture.
Also reminds me one of the trainers running on the field earlier this year and he pulled up with probably a "lower body" injury himself when going to help someone that was down on the field.

Red CB Toronto
11-01-2021, 10:03 PM
While Covid still exists, I do not think you can use it as the reason for the TFC attendance. It is pretty simple, the team is not very good and the fact everything has been an opt in , even when capacity went back to 100%. The Jays in the push to the post season got the crowds in their final 6 games with a 30 capacity limit. People go when the team wins.

MLSE could have just activated everyones tickets for the final 5 games when capacity limits were removed if the wanted too but kept it as an opt in thing. Montreal on the other hand, were not so gracious, they took your money for the rest of the reason and everyone had their tickets if they wanted them or not. 2022 will be more telling though when people have to decide if they want to keep their tickets or not. That will tell the real story on where things are.


Personally wondering why anybody in Toronto is really even concerned about attendance here, let alone thinking it means anything. None of us have to go to any games unless we want to - everything is opt in.

And...covid still exists (unlike people in the UK & the States who seem to think its gone so why not go around everywhere)

Lets see what uptake is like next season when you either buy a membership or look for a ticket on the day.


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Good day for the yutes.

Still need to clean house.

OgtheDim
11-02-2021, 06:30 AM
The biggest issues for attendance are what you say - the opt-in ticket approach & how bad the team is.

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Just to go over the covid thing a bit.

One of the metrics used for how mobile people is cell phone mobility usage.

Its still down 9% over 2 years ago. OK, maybe there are less people working (Toronto's unemployment rate is 9.6%) & more people working from home.

But, people are still husbanding their "going out time" way more then they did 2 years ago.

Anecdotally, I made a choice to go to one game in Oct/ Nov because I still don't feel all that safe on the TTC yet in the evening, especially when their union took a pro - "Vax is my choice" stand. That concern was doubled when Ford basically told all the anti-vaxxers they can ride out being responsible because by March it will all be over.

Its mentally still a thing. :(

Joe Kool
11-02-2021, 08:17 AM
The biggest issues for attendance are what you say - the opt-in ticket approach & how bad the team is.

I agree with this as being the main reason. But as it is stated also, safety is still a concern for many as well. Life has changed. For some it won't fully go back. I have not gone to any games yet this season and I know other supporters that have done the same. It is what it is this year.

Ultra & Proud
11-03-2021, 03:10 PM
I didn't bother due to the opt-in as well but our lost season didn't help. I have zero Covid concerns but knew I would be missing a few of these matches due to work + studio conflicts and it wasn't worth the hassle to switch things around when it seemed possible it could get shut down again. Plus I haven't had any days off work except for Sundays & stats since this pandemic started and I use every minute I'm spared to relax on the couch and enjoy time with my dogs.