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OgtheDim
10-18-2021, 06:29 AM
We can say we tried



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PCauQozne0


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Have at It People

jloome
10-18-2021, 04:35 PM
For some reason the schadenfreude from making Phil Neville’s life more difficult appeals to me. It’s petty but we sort of owe them for that bullshit goal in the last game.

jloome
10-18-2021, 05:27 PM
Perez says JMR will start and his removal was tactical in the last game.

Oh, to be a fly on those office walls.

MightyDM
10-19-2021, 12:06 AM
Perez says JMR will start and his removal was tactical in the last game.

Oh, to be a fly on those office walls.
He’s a kid. But he looks years away to me.

jloome
10-19-2021, 12:37 AM
He’s a kid. But he looks years away to me.

I'm not sure. His nerves must be up given the hype, and he had some positional issues. But he also made a really nice offensive sortie and late cross, and he had a great saving tackle tracking back that saved a goal. I guess we'll see as he goes, if they actually commit to giving him time.

His timing on that slide tackle required exceptional timing and acceleration. He has very quick feet. I don't think the speed will be an issue and if his technique is as advertised, it'll be up to confidence and reading the game.

PizzaEatingYeti
10-19-2021, 04:19 AM
He’s a kid. But he looks years away to me.

This!

IMO the first season when he needs to have a serious look at by featuring in at least 25 MLS matches (starter or a max. 30 minutes sub) will be the 2023 season.
In the next (2022) season he should have a very remote role in the first team, just a little bit more than he had this season.

If next season he'll have a much serious role in the first team than what he had this year, that can only mean that TFC has yet another extremely bad season...

MikeForbes
10-19-2021, 09:10 AM
The JMR being declared the starter for tomorrow reeks of coming from upstairs. Who declares their starter days before the game? I agree with Achara and Delgado missing the game, he should start and probably should start most of the remaining games this season. I just don't see the need to state on a Monday JMR is starting.

noxx98
10-19-2021, 09:13 AM
There's a lot to like about JMR's game, just needs reps to figure it out and put it all together. His run and slide tackle in the 60th minute was terrific. He made up a lot of ground (at the end of the clip below).
https://twitter.com/GalindoPW/status/1449842496087990272

Announcing in advance that JMR is playing is silly though. There's no purpose to it. I liked that Perez said his best 11 will start. He could have left it at that and come Wednesday we'd see JMR starting.

613reppingTFC
10-19-2021, 09:23 AM
so Delgado, Achara, Auro not making the game. Are Mavinga, Endoh, and Peruzza still on the injury list too?

noxx98
10-19-2021, 09:48 AM
so Delgado, Achara, Auro not making the game. Are Mavinga, Endoh, and Peruzza still on the injury list too?
Endoh's out a bit longer. Mavinga was listed as questionable before, and was in training photos last week so hopefully he's ready. Not sure on Perruzza. I fear the summer of Perruzza has been delayed to 2022.

MikeForbes
10-19-2021, 10:01 AM
Endoh's out a bit longer. Mavinga was listed as questionable before, and was in training photos last week so hopefully he's ready. Not sure on Perruzza. I fear the summer of Perruzza has been delayed to 2022.

If he has chronic back issues at 20, good chance the summer or Perruzza might be relegated to the CPL and summer of 2024.

Richard
10-19-2021, 03:41 PM
JMR should be starting every game until the seasons end. At no other time are you going to get the situation we are in. It's MLS, not the Prem.

There is no pressure for team performances so lets see what these young guys got.

ag futbol
10-19-2021, 03:48 PM
I dunno. I think his playing time has to at least partially be a function of what he’s capable of.

To draw a comparison, throwing Henry into the deep end probably did his career little in the way of good. He likely picked up a lot of the bad habits that he still has today.

So I would say minutes yes but caveat that it has to be with some level of performance. Like if he runs around like Jayden Nelson without a sense of position, then he should go back to TFC2 and they should drill that out of him.

Despite what the V’s board might think, giving players minutes is not the cure for everything youth development, as much as I found Perez’s decision last game bizarre.

OgtheDim
10-19-2021, 06:05 PM
FWIW

https://twitter.com/SportsAviation/status/1450590375295557640


My dog remains unimpressed

https://twitter.com/OgtheDim/status/1437141996045541378

noxx98
10-19-2021, 06:36 PM
If he has chronic back issues at 20, good chance the summer or Perruzza might be relegated to the CPL and summer of 2024.
In the most recent Twitter post from TFC you can see Perruzza in full training. Hope that’s a positive sign.

Lil'John
10-19-2021, 07:11 PM
Very interested by the game tomorrow evening. We will watch it in the Firkin on Harbour.
I'm particularly interested by the idea of Noble Okello replacing (our wonderful - except in Mexico) Marky. It's intriguing to imagine Ralph replacing Michael (who MUST stay in the club) and Noble as cover for Marky.
After the game in TO, when we should have won, I'm keen on a win in Miami.
Justin M should be on the field - please do it one last time for us, you wonderful man!!

gracos
10-19-2021, 09:55 PM
why is the club focused on winning now, its time to play all your youth players, and get a better draft pick, then we can release Curtis, Manning and Perez

MikeForbes
10-20-2021, 10:20 AM
Auro's red card was upheld (as was Barco's) and he will miss tonight's game. Good chance Morrow starts with Richie moving back over to RB.

jabbronies
10-20-2021, 10:53 AM
why is the club focused on winning now, its time to play all your youth players, and get a better draft pick, then we can release Curtis, Manning and Perez

The club isn't focused on winning anything in MLS - that isn't why Jozy and Poz came on last game.

The club is focused on winning the Canadian Championship and they believe having Poz and Jozy in the lineup for those games is key to winning. But you can't do that if they don't get back up to speed. You can't play them in CCL matches if they have played zero games leading up to them. And you don't throw them in a game and start them for 90 minutes. You bring them in as subs so they have get a run in to start. They came in last game to get minutes. That's it.

Also - this isn't the NHL - the draft isn't a good place to get players. So you don't need to tank to get a better spot.

Ultra & Proud
10-20-2021, 02:14 PM
The club is focused on winning the Canadian Championship and they believe having Poz and Jozy in the lineup for those games is key to winning. But you can't do that if they don't get back up to speed. You can't play them in CCL matches if they have played zero games leading up to them. And you don't throw them in a game and start them for 90 minutes. You bring them in as subs so they have get a run in to start. They came in last game to get minutes. That's it.


Not sure anyone should be thinking Poz + Jozy in our starting XI would make us better at this point. If anything the last run of matches should be proof otherwise. Well maybe Poz wouldn't hurt but Jozy would just waste space like he did for 30 minutes on Saturday.

noxx98
10-20-2021, 04:59 PM
Is definitely important to get Poz minutes. The team needs to figure out how he and Soteldo can play together, so lets use these games to test that out. Alternatively, if he wants to go back to Spain/Europe, getting him some minutes at the end of the season is important to showcase him.

Jozy matters less, but even in his current form he's our best "striker" even if he doesn't fit into our best XI.

MikeForbes
10-20-2021, 06:00 PM
Weird lineup tonight.

jloome
10-20-2021, 06:10 PM
Weird lineup tonight.

Looks like a 532 with JMR and Shaff as wingbacks?

OgtheDim
10-20-2021, 06:13 PM
3-4-3 I suspect

Both Higuain bro's start

OgtheDim
10-20-2021, 06:39 PM
There is a pre-game on TSN?!?!?!

jloome
10-20-2021, 06:53 PM
Nervous start. Have we ever played this setup before?

Gringo Starr
10-20-2021, 06:56 PM
This drumming is giving me tribal rhythm nation flushbacks

jloome
10-20-2021, 07:00 PM
JMR missing an opportunity to beat the back line when Bradley was loading up, as Miami’s defender is playing too narrow.

MikeForbes
10-20-2021, 07:00 PM
Noble Okello just stands still when they are passing the ball around. He does not try and get into space to receive a pass.

portu
10-20-2021, 07:00 PM
That about sums up the season

MikeForbes
10-20-2021, 07:01 PM
New keeper next year, please.

noxx98
10-20-2021, 07:01 PM
Bo-Oh-No.

Shaff and Rutty looking good. Mullins looking awful. Soteldo doesn't trust Mullins enough to pass to him.

Gringo Starr
10-20-2021, 07:01 PM
Great pass from Bono

jloome
10-20-2021, 07:01 PM
Jesus Christ.

A reminder that confidence starts at the back.

Not good enough to start, still. Add him to the list of roster issues hurting us.

spe18
10-20-2021, 07:02 PM
Uhhh.....do we get to see Westberg back in goal in advance of the derby match this weekend?????????

OgtheDim
10-20-2021, 07:02 PM
No words...

rydermike
10-20-2021, 07:03 PM
Bono already kicked a ball off a player into the net this season, now he passes directly to one.

portu
10-20-2021, 07:03 PM
That move starting out of the back was beautiful, JMR showing poise

MikeForbes
10-20-2021, 07:03 PM
Gonna be a high scoring game. Both these teams kind of suck.

jloome
10-20-2021, 07:03 PM
Daaaaamn

Soteldo gets in too early.

Thomas
10-20-2021, 07:03 PM
Boner move from Bono. Why doesn’t Westberg even get a sniff?

MikeForbes
10-20-2021, 07:04 PM
JMR looks decent today. Maybe not as good as Caldwell thinks, but good.

rydermike
10-20-2021, 07:05 PM
Reminder that Bono makes $482,000

noxx98
10-20-2021, 07:05 PM
Rutty looking very good. TFC also playing well with Poz dictating the game.

OgtheDim
10-20-2021, 07:08 PM
If you don't care about the result, the game is actually not all that bad for us...youth getting minutes, Poz & Soteldo working together, Lawrence as CB solidifying what he does.

MikeForbes
10-20-2021, 07:10 PM
Whatever happens tonight good or bad, we all just gotta remember that this is the equivalent of garbage time.

MikeForbes
10-20-2021, 07:16 PM
Nice try by the bad Higuain. He will never compare to his brother, Frederico.

MikeForbes
10-20-2021, 07:21 PM
I miss 2019/2020 Pozuelo.

Thomas
10-20-2021, 07:22 PM
We can beat these guys. JMR seems to be playing a bit smarter and not just running around endlessly

OgtheDim
10-20-2021, 07:22 PM
Have to mute those drum...

jloome
10-20-2021, 07:23 PM
Okello looks lost out there.

Playing okay otherwise. Too nervy and
slow around the box.

Bushmancan
10-20-2021, 07:23 PM
Millinho is having a Bono type game but the other way..

OgtheDim
10-20-2021, 07:25 PM
Free header in the box &...it falls to Zavs

MikeForbes
10-20-2021, 07:26 PM
Soteldo has a party he needs to get to.

OgtheDim
10-20-2021, 07:26 PM
Okello looks lost out there.

Playing okay otherwise. Too nervy and
slow around the box.


He's mostly playing DM....drops in front of the back 2 well.

Gringo Starr
10-20-2021, 07:28 PM
Which 2 clubs have a higher payroll than us

jloome
10-20-2021, 07:28 PM
He's mostly playing DM....drops in front of the back 2 well.
Oh I get the intent. He’s just completely static, to the point he’s been late back a couple of times.

He’s filling passing lanes but I’m not sure he even has a tackle yet.

jloome
10-20-2021, 07:29 PM
Which 2 clubs have a higher payroll than us
No one. They always quote start-of-season positions but Soteldo put us well over Atlanta and Miami. Oops LA.

benito
10-20-2021, 07:30 PM
Which 2 clubs have a higher payroll than us

the galaxy and atlanta

Gringo Starr
10-20-2021, 07:31 PM
No one. They always quote start-of-season positions but Soteldo put us well over Atlanta and Miami.

\thanks

MikeForbes
10-20-2021, 07:32 PM
Love how Caldwell is always wrong whenever he predicts how the lineup will look after a sub.

OgtheDim
10-20-2021, 07:33 PM
Union put out the figures today - we are 3rd

jloome
10-20-2021, 07:33 PM
I suspect this is the worst ref in MLS . He’s just consistently wrong, both ways.

Areathrasher
10-20-2021, 07:33 PM
No one. They always quote start-of-season positions but Soteldo put us well over Atlanta and Miami. Oops LA.

The midseason update came out today. TFC are third.

jloome
10-20-2021, 07:35 PM
Union put out the figures today - we are 3rd
I stand corrected.

MikeForbes
10-20-2021, 07:35 PM
Yaaaay.....

OgtheDim
10-20-2021, 07:35 PM
FWIW

Soteldo is only on 1.7 million


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Still not caring about the results

jloome
10-20-2021, 07:35 PM
Bleh.

Well at least the kid has looked decent today.

MikeForbes
10-20-2021, 07:36 PM
Bradley just missed on that.

MikeForbes
10-20-2021, 07:36 PM
FWIW

Soteldo is only on 1.7 million

Was very surprised to see that Ryan Gauld has a higher salary.

jloome
10-20-2021, 07:38 PM
FWIW

Soteldo is only on 1.7 million


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Still not caring about the results

Thats much better than we’d heard.

OgtheDim
10-20-2021, 07:38 PM
Most interesting part of this game might be what Kilbane & De Guzman say at the half.

Thomas
10-20-2021, 07:48 PM
Honest commentary from Kilbane.

ag futbol
10-20-2021, 07:50 PM
Little bit flattering to Miami given Mullins missed a sitter and we gifted them a couple poor goals but what can you say? Lacking that last piece of sharpness to win

Edit: curse me for saying it but I still think Poz is our best player. They’ve just epically failed in giving him some supporting pieces that actually make sense.

MikeForbes
10-20-2021, 07:51 PM
Honest commentary from Kilbane.

Absolutely love what he contributes. No agendas or vendettas, just facts. He should be the color guy.

benito
10-20-2021, 07:51 PM
Both goals were brutal and summarize this season perfectly.

Auzzy
10-20-2021, 07:52 PM
Bradley & Mullins screwed up on the 2nd goal.

Jokes aside, I don’t understand what anyone sees in Mullins. I think he’s utterly useless. There are much better backup strikers in MLS.

MikeForbes
10-20-2021, 07:53 PM
Jozy for 45 minutes?

MikeForbes
10-20-2021, 07:55 PM
Hey. Jozy has already touched the ball more than he did Saturday.

MikeForbes
10-20-2021, 07:56 PM
Not sure what Okello's best position is, but it isn't in the midfield.

OgtheDim
10-20-2021, 07:57 PM
Most interesting part of this game might be what Kilbane & De Guzman say at the half.


They did not disappoint

ag futbol
10-20-2021, 07:58 PM
Not sure what Okello's best position is, but it isn't in the midfield.
Specializes in being just behind the play at all times

MikeForbes
10-20-2021, 08:00 PM
Good shout from Bono that no one heard.

jloome
10-20-2021, 08:01 PM
There’s an on field metaphor for the season.

jloome
10-20-2021, 08:02 PM
This is Bradley’s Roy Kent season.

Auzzy
10-20-2021, 08:02 PM
Take a friggin shot on net guys, stop passing it around in the god damn 18 yard box.

Did you call for the ball Bono? I didn’t hear anything. Maybe we’ll see Westberg.

MikeForbes
10-20-2021, 08:03 PM
Specializes in being just behind the play at all times

His body type screams CB. His playstyle does not.

ag futbol
10-20-2021, 08:06 PM
Ehhh, Bradley’s passing has been sub subpar. Needs to be said. He’s slow to make decision and often picks the wrong option.

OgtheDim
10-20-2021, 08:06 PM
Funny but I see Okello pointing out where players are - a lot like Osorio does. He can be bypassed.

Reminds me of a younger Oso. Interested to see what he does with Osorio beside him & not Bradley.


Edit - he's a prospect for 2 years from now

MikeForbes
10-20-2021, 08:07 PM
I wish Jayden Nelson was as good as his hair.

Auzzy
10-20-2021, 08:08 PM
Not sure what Okello's best position is, but it isn't in the midfield.


Specializes in being just behind the play at all times


His body type screams CB. His playstyle does not.

Okello looked decent earlier in the season. Seems TFC training is making him worse.

Thomas
10-20-2021, 08:09 PM
Yes, another guy that runs all over the place

ag futbol
10-20-2021, 08:09 PM
We deserve to lose. The defending is amateurish

MikeForbes
10-20-2021, 08:10 PM
This seals the deal for Perez, I think.

jloome
10-20-2021, 08:10 PM
Well this is a little embarrassing.

3-0 to a team that hasn’t won in six (against us). Truly we are shit.

Thomas
10-20-2021, 08:10 PM
Zavs….another long term liability

Auzzy
10-20-2021, 08:11 PM
Holy heck we suck

OgtheDim
10-20-2021, 08:11 PM
Own goal off a CB's back off a corner....


TFC goals against becoming like playing Scorigami

MikeForbes
10-20-2021, 08:12 PM
Cesc Fabregas? One of the greatest passers of the past 25 years? You think, Stevie?

Auzzy
10-20-2021, 08:12 PM
JMR like Fabregas lol

Thomas
10-20-2021, 08:13 PM
I wish Caldwell would be more honest about our shit performance tonight versus gushing non stop about JMR

MikeForbes
10-20-2021, 08:14 PM
No wonder most of these kids disappoint when the voice of the team is here comparing them to all time greats based on a game in Miami in garbage time.

jloome
10-20-2021, 08:14 PM
JMR needs to hit them
first time occasionally.

ag futbol
10-20-2021, 08:15 PM
It’s like chuck swirsky making hay of nothing when the raptors are losing by 20 points

Auzzy
10-20-2021, 08:15 PM
OMG this is extra embarrassing, this game is being shown live in the UK.

Then again hopefully nobody would be up at 2am to watch this garbage.

Thomas
10-20-2021, 08:17 PM
Jayden lost out there….Jozy done

MikeForbes
10-20-2021, 08:17 PM
It’s like chuck swirsky making hay of nothing when the raptors are losing by 20 points

Still waiting on Joey Graham to become one of the best perimeter defenders in the NBA.

OgtheDim
10-20-2021, 08:21 PM
Funny thing is the guys have, for once, been crashing the goal & all the passes have been cut backs.

MikeForbes
10-20-2021, 08:26 PM
Even the drummer for Inter Miami has packed up and left. Game over.

Thomas
10-20-2021, 08:27 PM
Ha ha….like that Forbes

ag futbol
10-20-2021, 08:28 PM
Do we not have prospects better than Okello and Nelson ready to get minutes?

MikeForbes
10-20-2021, 08:28 PM
Look! It is our all-time leading scorer, Jordan Perruzza.

Thomas
10-20-2021, 08:28 PM
I wish we did

Thomas
10-20-2021, 08:30 PM
Embarrassing result….but that’s what we need to start cleaning house

Thomas
10-20-2021, 08:33 PM
Buenas noches

MikeForbes
10-20-2021, 08:34 PM
Good to see Jozy give a solid 10ish minutes of effort before dropping the head and walking around with his hands on his hips.

Auzzy
10-20-2021, 08:41 PM
Some games there should be injury time.

Some games (like this one) there should be mercy time, where you end it 2 minutes early.

MikeForbes
10-20-2021, 08:43 PM
Whatever. No one will remember this one come December.

OgtheDim
10-20-2021, 08:46 PM
Whatever. No one will remember this one come December.


Heck, I'm trying to forget it by tomorrow.

ag futbol
10-20-2021, 08:47 PM
Whatever. No one will remember this one come December.
Agreed, is what it is.

Gringo Starr
10-20-2021, 09:09 PM
I think perruzza had more touches than jozy did

Richard
10-20-2021, 11:12 PM
Good to see Jozy give a solid 10ish minutes of effort before dropping the head and walking around with his hands on his hips.

Going to resurrect this for the lols.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Cunnytfc.jpg/220px-Cunnytfc.jpg

Can we get an insurance buyout on this guy already. Jeez.

noimpactinmtl
10-21-2021, 08:02 AM
His body type screams CB. His playstyle does not.

I always thought he had potential as a ball playing CB. His awareness needs to be addressed.

jabbronies
10-21-2021, 09:45 AM
Not sure anyone should be thinking Poz + Jozy in our starting XI would make us better at this point. If anything the last run of matches should be proof otherwise. Well maybe Poz wouldn't hurt but Jozy would just waste space like he did for 30 minutes on Saturday.


ya I agree with this Jozy assessment . I think a healthy Poz make us better, but I'm also not sure if we have enough time to figure out the best combo to properly fit him in.