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OgtheDim
10-14-2021, 05:36 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAhQmNBTkbg


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Have At It People

Red CB Toronto
10-14-2021, 10:33 AM
Looking at Ticketmaster this morning it looks like tickets are actually moving for this game and we will have a good crowd. That will be especially nice after the amazing time BMO saw last night with the Canada victory. Wonder if that has people looking for a little more in person footy after all the Canadian hype. I also looks like we will see the return of Poz.

MikeForbes
10-15-2021, 11:01 AM
That international break was fun as a Canadian soccer fan, but I am excited to have TFC back.

noxx98
10-15-2021, 02:27 PM
Jozy and Pozuelo may be able to play tomorrow. Would be nice to have Poz back on the field to start developing an on field relationship with Soteldo.

OgtheDim
10-15-2021, 05:53 PM
Soteldo is questionable - got injured on international duty. I think they hold off on him until the Montreal game in a week.

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One of the reason why I'd like us to win this game is then its very likely some other team goes out of the playoff chances before we do - nice to see the "e" beside other people first.

(We are not going to get the top draft pick)

noxx98
10-15-2021, 06:03 PM
Soteldo is questionable - got injured on international duty. I think they hold off on him until the Montreal game in a week.
There were some reports that said Soteldo wasn't actually hurt, but he got in trouble for going out and partying and showing up late the next day. Apparently a few senior players on the team confronted him and basically told him to leave because this has been a recurring problem.

Article here: https://puranoticia.pnt.cl/yeferson-soteldo-habria-sido-sacado-de-la-seleccion-de-venezuela-por-sus

Gringo Starr
10-15-2021, 09:15 PM
I was really starting to love our speed game up top, not looking forward to seeing Jozy again

OgtheDim
10-15-2021, 09:40 PM
There were some reports that said Soteldo wasn't actually hurt, but he got in trouble for going out and partying and showing up late the next day. Apparently a few senior players on the team confronted him and basically told him to leave because this has been a recurring problem.

Article here: https://puranoticia.pnt.cl/yeferson-soteldo-habria-sido-sacado-de-la-seleccion-de-venezuela-por-sus


Davidson article quoted team saying Soteldo is questionable so :noidea:

ensco
10-16-2021, 05:59 AM
With the caveat that this is the internet… wow.

It would be a rare thing for a valuable player to be so much of a jerk that teammates on a team desperate for WC success nevertheless excommunicated him. If that is remotely true…

(Mind you, it’s over for this cycle, for Venezuela - they have totally flamed out in qualifying.)

PizzaEatingYeti
10-16-2021, 07:39 AM
Soteldo is questionable - got injured on international duty. I think they hold off on him until the Montreal game in a week.


This is getting out of the realm of ridiculous, and going into the "ageless globetrotter circus" area.

I mean it's never ever possible this season for TFC's 3 DP's to have an official match playing together, while all 3 are in good shape.
No sir, that's just not happening, it's a better chance to have a +20 Celsius day at 8:00 PM at Christmas in Toronto, than this... :facepalm:

PizzaEatingYeti
10-16-2021, 07:46 AM
MATCH DAY!

:scarf:

ag futbol
10-16-2021, 07:48 AM
This whole outcome, 3 DP’s who basically never see the field together and disappear for stated reasons that defy belief, should be enough to get Manning fired.

He’s out there floating ridiculous stories in the press about important players he might sign when the most important ones he has have become dysfunctional. This is clear ineptitude.

MikeForbes
10-16-2021, 11:03 AM
I assume Poz plays today. I seen a picture of Jozy in training, is he close?

MikeForbes
10-16-2021, 12:57 PM
Josef Martinez is out for tonight's game.

OgtheDim
10-16-2021, 03:13 PM
I assume Poz plays today. I seen a picture of Jozy in training, is he close?


The talk is that Poz might start, Jozy might be on the bench & Soteldo is the most unlikely to be in the squad.

jloome
10-16-2021, 04:41 PM
With the caveat that this is the internet… wow.

It would be a rare thing for a valuable player to be so much of a jerk that teammates on a team desperate for WC success nevertheless excommunicated him. If that is remotely true…

(Mind you, it’s over for this cycle, for Venezuela - they have totally flamed out in qualifying.)

He has Jamie Tartt levels of overconfidence.

His on-field mannerisms and looks of disgust seem to pop up whether it's the other person's fault or his, so one sense a certain degree of primadonna self-delusion. Give a 23 year old who can dance with the ball the #10 shirt at Santos and that's what happens.

Fans down there think he's the second coming. It's sort of weird, frankly, given that both Brazil and Argentina produce players that good in their regional leagues. If he thinks he doesn't fit here, imagine what he'd be like in a top league. Your Fonzie reference springs to mind; most of the EPL is built like that.

Maybe the Brazilian league ain't what it used to be, because I imagine he'd have trouble holding onto a starting winger job in Argentina's top flight.

Having said all that, he's definitely a DP-caliber player by MLS standards. He doesn't score enough and makes terrible shot choices but he can feed a pass through a needle and beat most players on the dribble. He's p. fucking fast, too.

MikeForbes
10-16-2021, 05:59 PM
Soteldo starts. Poz and Altidore on the bench.

MikeForbes
10-16-2021, 06:00 PM
https://twitter.com/TorontoFC/status/1449506725153890308?s=20

portu
10-16-2021, 06:01 PM
Soteldo starts. He’s getting way too much shade considering the fact that he’s one of the only players in this team who consistently looks motivated to win and pissed off when we lose. Bigger fish to fry than the guy who is actually good at his job, everyone.

OgtheDim
10-16-2021, 06:02 PM
Status of my dog

https://twitter.com/OgtheDim/status/1449344088793309184

MikeForbes
10-16-2021, 06:03 PM
6 years later and we still rock the same midfield. That is cool to me.

OgtheDim
10-16-2021, 06:04 PM
False 9 by ATL is an interesting choice...


https://twitter.com/FelipeCar/status/1449507793892003845

jloome
10-16-2021, 06:46 PM
Good chance tonight. Hotlanta is sorta Notlanta without Josef Martinez.

613reppingTFC
10-16-2021, 06:48 PM
Any idea what's up with Mavinga? Not in the lineup at all, is he injured?

MikeForbes
10-16-2021, 06:49 PM
Any idea what's up with Mavinga? Not in the lineup at all, is he injured?

It is weird. I do think we see a complete revamp of the CB's next year.

jloome
10-16-2021, 06:51 PM
Soteldo starts. He’s getting way too much shade considering the fact that he’s one of the only players in this team who consistently looks motivated to win and pissed off when we lose. Bigger fish to fry than the guy who is actually good at his job, everyone.
He’s a good player but he’s only 24 and it’s hard to ignore some of the attitude issues. Like I said he’s definitely DP quality but we need better goal production and it would be nice if the stories about how unhappy he is in MLS stopped — although my sense is that maybe it’s a lot of over-hyped bullshit.

SoccMan2
10-16-2021, 06:54 PM
A sprinkling of just family and friends it seems , so we are to believe that next year like a miracle the stands will be full again I highly doubt it .

MikeForbes
10-16-2021, 07:02 PM
Honestly, I feel like Atlanta is our biggest rival outside of the geographically fuelled Montreal.

samuraizero
10-16-2021, 07:02 PM
anyone got a half way to decent stream? Everything I can find dies after 30 seconds

jloome
10-16-2021, 07:03 PM
Bono making things nervy.

MikeForbes
10-16-2021, 07:03 PM
Achara's touch is pretty bad so far.

Thomas
10-16-2021, 07:09 PM
Yes, he seems ineffective thus far…let’s hope he proves me wrong

portu
10-16-2021, 07:12 PM
He’s a good player but he’s only 24 and it’s hard to ignore some of the attitude issues. Like I said he’s definitely DP quality but we need better goal production and it would be nice if the stories about how unhappy he is in MLS stopped — although my sense is that maybe it’s a lot of over-hyped bullshit.
I’d be willing to bet that he’s not upset about MLS and it’s more about how shitty the players and coaching around him have been. If you build a team that isn’t a literal joke he’ll be happy.

MightyDM
10-16-2021, 07:13 PM
It is weird. I do think we see a complete revamp of the CB's next year.

He’s been hurt and apparently hasn’t recovered yet.

OgtheDim
10-16-2021, 07:14 PM
Atlanta playing that Seattle "slow them down all the time" sort of game.

MikeForbes
10-16-2021, 07:15 PM
Achara is 100% coming off for Pozuelo at the half.

MightyDM
10-16-2021, 07:16 PM
Achara has been off it a bit. Pressing impressive so far. Bradley full of energy.

MikeForbes
10-16-2021, 07:16 PM
He’s been hurt and apparently hasn’t recovered yet.

He has been hurt a lot in his tenure here.

Thomas
10-16-2021, 07:17 PM
I hope Achara goes to the bench

MightyDM
10-16-2021, 07:17 PM
Good save but what was that rebound? Holy cow.

portu
10-16-2021, 07:18 PM
If Achara can’t stay fit then the club needs to move on

MikeForbes
10-16-2021, 07:19 PM
Impressed by how much the guys are out there battling for each other.

Thomas
10-16-2021, 07:21 PM
No, not Rutty

MikeForbes
10-16-2021, 07:22 PM
The greatest Canadian prospect ever coming in. Let's see him do something big.

jloome
10-16-2021, 07:22 PM
JMR getting some time. Time to See if any of the hype shows up.

OgtheDim
10-16-2021, 07:23 PM
Time to see what JMR can do in non-garbage minutes.

MikeForbes
10-16-2021, 07:23 PM
No, not Rutty

He needs to prove himself. I am not sold on him, but these are the minutes he needs.

OgtheDim
10-16-2021, 07:30 PM
The lack of defensive presence from JMR is beginning to tell.

Edit - and offensive - on that Shaff run he should have been busting a gut to get forward.

portu
10-16-2021, 07:32 PM
Miles Robinson is what Manning thinks Omar Gonzalez is

OgtheDim
10-16-2021, 07:35 PM
Soteldo with 3 guys on him & JMR is just watching?


OK, I'll stop now but gosh he really has no idea of finding or creating space

MightyDM
10-16-2021, 07:36 PM
Rutty looks positionally lost but there are flashes of brilliance with his touch. He is only 17. Glad he is getting a chance to improve.

portu
10-16-2021, 07:36 PM
Soteldo with 3 guys on him & JMR is just watching?


OK, I'll stop now but gosh he really has no idea of finding or creating space

That was really hard to watch. I almost wanted to Yefe to let him have it there.

He’s definitely not a top rated prospect for his intelligence or work rate at this level.

MightyDM
10-16-2021, 07:36 PM
Brilliant ball by Bradley a couple of minutes ago.

jloome
10-16-2021, 07:37 PM
Soteldo with 3 guys on him & JMR is just watching?


OK, I'll stop now but gosh he really has no idea of finding or creating space
No he was correct there. Even if he closed to assist they were four on two and his defensive channel would be left open. The only way to play that safely. Soteldo should’ve rotated the ball back.

MightyDM
10-16-2021, 07:38 PM
By the way Barco is a whiny cheating diver. Edit: damn.

MikeForbes
10-16-2021, 07:38 PM
Bono looked super bad there.

jloome
10-16-2021, 07:38 PM
Shit, flukiest chip in history.

MightyDM
10-16-2021, 07:39 PM
If that was Richies man he needs to start tracking back EVERY time. The Panama goal was his man too.

Thomas
10-16-2021, 07:40 PM
Rutty running everywhere…that’s about it

MightyDM
10-16-2021, 07:40 PM
Jakeel must be showing some serious technical skill in training because it sure isn’t his positional play that has him at first team level.

jloome
10-16-2021, 07:41 PM
Atlanta’s playing a high recovery press but the rest of the time is leaving the line deep enough that our speed can’t hurt them. We need to adjust, figure out where we can overload with a midfielder. Attacking Robinson’s side one on one is just a waste
of time.

we need to break away from the direct speed
game here and build up around the box patiently.

MikeForbes
10-16-2021, 07:42 PM
JMR looks like he is good technically, but I do not see much burst, workrate or awareness from him out wide. His best position might be as a 10.

portu
10-16-2021, 07:42 PM
I really really don’t see what the fuss is about JMR. Akinola, Priso, Okello, Shaff I get it. Hell even I even get it to a degree with Jayden Nelson. But I just do not understand the JMR hype.

OgtheDim
10-16-2021, 07:45 PM
No he was correct there. Even if he closed to assist they were four on two and his defensive channel would be left open. The only way to play that safely. Soteldo should’ve rotated the ball back.


JMR didn't move but wasn't occupying a space. He was literally on the outside of a 3 guy group & giving Soteldo no help by trying to occupy one of those 3. The thing to do there is draw a defender away through movement. Even if Soteldo drops it back, then somebody is in a different space.

JMR is playing based on where the ball is not where the spaces are & its like playing with only 10.5 people. I know he's young but this sort of thing should have been coached into him by now.

jloome
10-16-2021, 07:54 PM
JMR didn't move but wasn't occupying a space. He was literally on the outside of a 3 guy group & giving Soteldo no help by trying to occupy one of those 3. The thing to do there is draw a defender away through movement. Even if Soteldo drops it back, then somebody is in a different space.

JMR is playing based on where the ball is not where the spaces are & its like playing with only 10.5 people. I know he's young but this sort of thing should have been coached into him by now.

Nope, they had zero chance of winning that and wading in When three of Atlanta’s four players were attacking the ball wouldn’t have changed that. It just would’ve put him ten yards further forward when the inevitable defensive sequence started. Agree
to disagree on that one.

for as little as he saw of the ball he did okay. Achara contributed fuck all before his injury.

MikeForbes
10-16-2021, 07:56 PM
Atlanta has a really nice set of jerseys.

OgtheDim
10-16-2021, 07:56 PM
Anyways, this game was always going to be tougher against opponents who probe & figure out where there are weaknesses & a defence that can't be run through with the long ball or the one on one winger drive.

Good things for me are Lawrence in the middle & Osorio finding spaces well.

Richie is tired & Shaff has to find a different place to do his attacks.

MikeForbes
10-16-2021, 07:58 PM
Robinson will be in Europe next year. He is really good.

jloome
10-16-2021, 07:58 PM
Who comes out here I wonder?

Thomas
10-16-2021, 07:59 PM
Lets try Poz soon…don’t even bother with Jozy

MikeForbes
10-16-2021, 08:00 PM
Who comes out here I wonder?

Two of Soteldo, Shaff, Delgado and Osorio.

MikeForbes
10-16-2021, 08:01 PM
Great save Omar.

Thomas
10-16-2021, 08:02 PM
Yeah…good one from Omar….we look like shit right now

MightyDM
10-16-2021, 08:03 PM
Bono incredibly poor distribution. Really shocking.

MikeForbes
10-16-2021, 08:03 PM
I'd personally take Auro out, move JMR to RB and put on Pozuelo.

MikeForbes
10-16-2021, 08:05 PM
Caldwell so wanted to suggest bringing on Liam Fraser there.

portu
10-16-2021, 08:09 PM
Caldwell so wanted to suggest bringing on Liam Fraser there.
I strongly believe he needs to be at the club next year. Oso, Delgado, Fraser, Priso, Okello is an excellent core of midfielders.

Thomas
10-16-2021, 08:11 PM
MB has played pretty well

OgtheDim
10-16-2021, 08:11 PM
That was good - JMR has had a better half.


Edit- OWCH

portu
10-16-2021, 08:11 PM
JMR off is a SHOT to the confidence of a 17 year old who is supposed to be a world beater and only came on 30 mins ago

MikeForbes
10-16-2021, 08:13 PM
That's tough for JMR.

MikeForbes
10-16-2021, 08:13 PM
Marky was there first.

jloome
10-16-2021, 08:13 PM
Great play from the kid there.

Then gets taken off? Ouch.

Skill looks good, read of the game needs work. But not sure how smart that was.

My guess is Perez told him “tactical”
when he came out.

no review on that? Another PRO classic.

MikeForbes
10-16-2021, 08:15 PM
Beauty tackle. Starting to believe Lawrence is a CB next year.

Inklink
10-16-2021, 08:16 PM
Delgado taking that stupid long shot again I see.

jloome
10-16-2021, 08:16 PM
Our shape seems really loose and poor this game. Maybe just because of how well Atlanta have pressed.

SoccMan2
10-16-2021, 08:16 PM
JMR off is a SHOT to the confidence of a 17 year old who is supposed to be a world beater and only came on 30 mins ago
Your don’t take a 17 year old with promise off who you had just subbed in before , he was not playing that badly what a piece of shit coaching , great way to kill a kid’s confidence in a nothing fucken game , shame on you TFC!!

MikeForbes
10-16-2021, 08:17 PM
I love Jozy for everything he has done for this club, but his workrate has become pathetic. So static.

jloome
10-16-2021, 08:18 PM
Pineda is a smart coach. We’re down a goal and have to press so they’ve switched to a half-field counter.

Thomas
10-16-2021, 08:19 PM
Where is Jozy….is he out there?

OgtheDim
10-16-2021, 08:21 PM
Where is Jozy….is he out there?


Team isn't getting the ball out from the sides. Nothing is getting to the middle.

MikeForbes
10-16-2021, 08:24 PM
Bono with some wonderful distribution to the Atlanta bench.

jloome
10-16-2021, 08:25 PM
Need to change our defensive look. what we need right now is to pin
them back— and we don’t exactly have the speed up top to press. Yikes.

MikeForbes
10-16-2021, 08:25 PM
Insigne would have us up 2-1. Just saying.

jloome
10-16-2021, 08:26 PM
Osorio looking leggy. Made the wrong sub with the kid, I suspect. Need legs and speed when you’re down.

OgtheDim
10-16-2021, 08:26 PM
Yeh, looks like starting all the CONCACAF players was a bad idea.

portu
10-16-2021, 08:27 PM
It’s so hard to get into these final matches when I’m thinking in the back of my head that half the team prob won’t even be here next year

portu
10-16-2021, 08:28 PM
If I was Herdman I’d be livid that Oso starts 4 matches in 2 weeks

benito
10-16-2021, 08:30 PM
Insigne would have us up 2-1. Just saying.

Very true! :lol:

OgtheDim
10-16-2021, 08:30 PM
Whomever thought it was a good idea to play at home in grey while our opponents play in red should go back on furlough.

MikeForbes
10-16-2021, 08:32 PM
Aw. The most overrated player in MLS is hurt.

benito
10-16-2021, 08:32 PM
Whomever thought it was a good idea to play at home in grey while our opponents play in red should go back on furlough.

They have the sell the remaining stock of away kits before the new one is released

jloome
10-16-2021, 08:34 PM
What the fuck?

OgtheDim
10-16-2021, 08:34 PM
Jozy not putting up with Atl diving & Atl don't like being told in Spanish they are...ahem...softies

MikeForbes
10-16-2021, 08:34 PM
Maybe a replay would be nice to see TSN?

jloome
10-16-2021, 08:35 PM
Why couldn’t we see this level of energy from their play…

wopchop
10-16-2021, 08:35 PM
Aw. The most overrated player in MLS is hurt.
That loser freaking launched himself off his feet.
Ridiculous.

MikeForbes
10-16-2021, 08:37 PM
Show me what fucking happened. Jesus. Is that so hard?

jloome
10-16-2021, 08:38 PM
Bleh. Barco maybe deserves a card there but not Auro. That’s ridiculous. Fuck
PRO sucks ass.

MikeForbes
10-16-2021, 08:39 PM
So they both got into a non-violent argument and got a red card? Should be two yellows.

OgtheDim
10-16-2021, 08:39 PM
Those are not red cards offences for head butts - maybe some stuff done on the side of the pitch was but that was nothing.

jloome
10-16-2021, 08:42 PM
Pretty poor officiating from the start and we were
jobbed out of a penalty.

MikeForbes
10-16-2021, 08:42 PM
Looks like a high school game when two teams get pissed off.

jloome
10-16-2021, 08:43 PM
Laryea’s temper is going to ruin any chance of a move to Europe.

MikeForbes
10-16-2021, 08:44 PM
Oh, man. Thought Omar buried that.

benito
10-16-2021, 08:45 PM
Yeah, that looked like a goal.

jloome
10-16-2021, 08:46 PM
Maybe deserved a point tonight, maybe just short. Atlanta dive a lot.

Thomas
10-16-2021, 08:48 PM
Terrible

Thomas
10-16-2021, 08:49 PM
Atlanta are by far the better team tonight.

jloome
10-16-2021, 08:50 PM
And that’s the season, boys.

Damn do we ever need a rebuild.

A fair number of games this season where it felt like PRO decided the game. Officiating doesn’t appear
to be keeping up with the league’s growth.

portu
10-16-2021, 08:50 PM
What was the attendance tonight

OgtheDim
10-16-2021, 08:50 PM
My dog has thoughts on this game & I tend to be in agreement

https://twitter.com/OgtheDim/status/1437141996045541378

jloome
10-16-2021, 08:51 PM
Once we went down Atlanta just took control, played more patiently.

MikeForbes
10-16-2021, 08:51 PM
They were just better tonight. It is what it is.

OgtheDim
10-16-2021, 09:01 PM
They were just better tonight. It is what it is.


Yeh, pretty much that. Atlanta use the speed of their pitch & when not on turf, you can see how a play develops like it would on turf but doesn't quite come off. They play a 5-2-3 that becomes a 3-4-3 in transition. There problem is usually defensive lapses & no pressure from their defensive midfield.


What bugs me about that team is Atlanta plays a certain chippy South American way that isn't quite CONCACAF - done so since the beginning. They whine more & do the obvious dives (see Barco). CONCACAF teams tend to be quiet stoic "don't mess with me man" sort of stuff & "my leg hurts Ref" sort of gamesmanship when tackled.

Think Osorio facing up to people & Delgado rubbing his leg after a tackle - that's CONCACAF & most of MLS.

Atlanta is more rolling around & incredulity.

Auzzy
10-16-2021, 09:27 PM
That was a friggin annoying game to watch in the stands. After a number of fairly professional & motivated performances by TFC, that was mostly shite. They let themselves get controlled by Atlanta’s shithousery. And Osorio desperately needed to be subbed off. Did Perez even make all 5 subs?

I wonder if there will be any supplemental discipline. What was the video review for? The two red cards had already been given. Did the video review official suggest further red cards and the ref overrode that?

The ref was great at acting tough and getting way too close in players’ faces right from the start of the game, but really bad at actually controlling the game.

Auzzy
10-16-2021, 09:31 PM
Oh and Jozy finally back, but now Achara injured. I bet Lawrence is pretty banged up as well. This team is doomed.

tfcfans
10-16-2021, 09:31 PM
What was the attendance tonight

7490....if people think STM are coming back in droves next year they are going to be sorely surprised I think - even Leafs tickets to start the year have not been sold out for any games so far....yes they will ultimately sell and the Raptors (somewhat surprisingly) sold well in their various on sales this week —- but TFC with a crappy record is way closer to Argos (cough cough), level of interest in this city than Leafs and Raptors level of interest even with a likely less than stellar Raptors team this year.

Add in a Jays team that is on the upswing and capturing the City’s interest with “stars” like Vlad and Bo that will take the casual sports fan towards the Dome and not BMO next spring/summer.

The management of this team needs to start thinking of a way to make people want to come to BMO again. We saw on Weds that there is interest in Soccer in this town if given the right product and a buzz gets created - but right now there is no product, and there is no buzz around this team, other than the old 2017 guard needs to be changed over and top level younger talent - including an all important “A” level striker — needs to be playing for TFC by 2022.

But hey they will likely just tell us that they are “holding ticket prices” and that the DPs will be healthy next year, as if that’s a big thing at this point....where is the Liewicki letter for this season?!

noxx98
10-16-2021, 09:35 PM
What was the attendance tonight

Attendance also did not match what was showing up on Ticketmaster. I opted against buying my seasons for the remaining games and am buying per game depending on what I can attend. There were not many seats available online except in the super expensive zones. In person there were LOTS of gaps. The play right now is to just buy the cheapest seats and sit wherever you want.

Auzzy
10-16-2021, 10:49 PM
7490....if people think STM are coming back in droves next year they are going to be sorely surprised I think - even Leafs tickets to start the year have not been sold out for any games so far....yes they will ultimately sell and the Raptors (somewhat surprisingly) sold well in their various on sales this week —- but TFC with a crappy record is way closer to Argos (cough cough), level of interest in this city than Leafs and Raptors level of interest even with a likely less than stellar Raptors team this year.



I think actual real-life attendance for the Argos has been as good or better than TFC. Who would have thunk it!

Hala Hrvatska
10-17-2021, 04:53 AM
Another game, another loss....when will this s.hitshow of a season end?

Sign some DP striker the second the season ends...one milli second after that complete waste of space Altidore is bought out. Enough is enough of him literally walking around the field. He touched the ball once in his walking display. Ffs...gets paid over $5M a year...5th highest salary and he can't be bothered to even move in a 30 minute appearance, absolutely disgraceful. Look at Atlanta's forwards move and create chances...now look at ours:

...a not ready for prime Shaffaleburgh-God bless him for his effort but he is not good enough. RUns like a chicken with his head cut off and continually gets dispossessed trying to get by guys.
...Acharra-not his fault we don't have a DP striker but he is simply not good enough. Is better than journeymen Mullins but that's not syaing much. Hope the kid isn't hurt bad though and I wish him a speedy recovery.

And Altidore. Absolute highway robbery with that contract extension in 2019. Always hurt, zero effort. On and off the field team cancer. His return to us for to pay him to be always hurt, or sit out games as an activist or go on 9 week holidays to London and Paris to watch his gf play tennis you ask? A grand total of 2 goals last year and this year...for 4 goals. Gets paid $10M in that two year period...a very nice $1.25M / goal. Get rid of him now.

Just disaster of a year...and the damage done to fans losing interest is immense. Less than 8k in attendance....and no the covid exuse is done...as the maple laughts are getting fans and spo did the jays. Ffs the s.hitty argos who shouldn't be at bmo but some run down high school field even get more attendance.

Curtis and Manning and Altidore must go...now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cheers boys.

OgtheDim
10-17-2021, 08:08 AM
Interesting that attendance was down for a Saturday night game compared to the Sunday afternoon game a few weeks ago. People have choice right now & if you are going to go out in the midst of a pandemic, the night choice better be a decent team or its not going to happen.

It will be different next year as the idea of real membership returns & we all get more used to this - have to buy if you want to guarantee.

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Something I noticed - Molinaro's having somebody do a tactics column. They discussed Soteldo this week - called him here really as an assist space creating machine. The column said that he really needs a #9 to play off of. Discussed how Akinola could help with that but really needed a quality #9. NO discussion of Jozy.

I think word has gotten out that Jozy is going. Oh, and for those asking, a buyout can't take place officially until 2021. There will be a cathartic "the following contracts are not being renewed" moment within 48 hours of the last game. But that is unlikely to include Jozy at that point.

Hala Hrvatska
10-17-2021, 08:41 AM
Interesting that attendance was down for a Saturday night game compared to the Sunday afternoon game a few weeks ago. People have choice right now & if you are going to go out in the midst of a pandemic, the night choice better be a decent team or its not going to happen.

It will be different next year as the idea of real membership returns & we all get more used to this - have to buy if you want to guarantee.

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Something I noticed - Molinaro's having somebody do a tactics column. They discussed Soteldo this week - called him here really as an assist space creating machine. The column said that he really needs a #9 to play off of. Discussed how Akinola could help with that but really needed a quality #9. NO discussion of Jozy.

I think word has gotten out that Jozy is going. Oh, and for those asking, a buyout can't take place officially until 2021. There will be a cathartic "the following contracts are not being renewed" moment within 48 hours of the last game. But that is unlikely to include Jozy at that point.

If Altidore isn't shown the door, the team will be a disaster next year as well. We are the only team in all of MLS that doesn't have a legit DP striker. Altidore is completely finished. That embarrassing 30 minute display last night was shocking. Literally walked around a bit and touched the ball once. Surely a legit South American or Eastern Euro striker can be bought for a fraction of the cost that would you know, actually run, give Solteldo and Poz someone to play off of and actually score goals. 4 goals in 2 years on the 5th highest MLS salary is not cutting it. And no wonder we are so bad. Watching Shaffelburge, Mullions, Acharra run around aimlessly while teams like Atlanta have skilled strikers is frustrating to say the least. No wonder attendance is in the toilet and sinking fast.

MightyDM
10-17-2021, 09:20 AM
Impressed with Lawrence. He is growing into his role.

Very poor goal to give up (the first one).

Oso should have been subbed, was showing fatigue, but i assume Perez was worried about defensive balance.

the defender (Robinson) dealt with Shaff very well. Good lesson for Shaff

MikeForbes
10-17-2021, 09:22 AM
Impressed with Lawrence. He is growing into his role.

Very poor goal to give up (the first one).

Oso should have been subbed, was showing fatigue, but i assume Perez was worried about defensive balance.

the defender (Robinson) dealt with Shaff very well. Good lesson for Shaff


Robinson is very likely Euro bound in January. No shame in being shut down by one of the best in MLS.

stevep
10-17-2021, 09:25 AM
In person there were LOTS of gaps. The play right now is to just buy the cheapest seats and sit wherever you want.

and next year the play is to buy seats in the aftermarket for 50 cents on the dollar from season seat holders that can't make any individual games
or buy tickets when tfc has promotion packs available for sale, buy the cheapest seats possible and move to the good seats as there should be many empty seats at bmo next year

ps: don't tell anyone, we want lots of ssh renewing this offseason

MightyDM
10-17-2021, 10:12 AM
PS. As a day one supporter who has seen lots of downs, and brilliant ups, I have completely lost confidence in Manning and Curtis. There seems to be no plan whatsoever - Soteldo acqusition being a perfect case in point - DP worthy player but not the player this team needed, we needed a second DP striker who could play off Pozuelo. Lots more to criticise here and we have all made them, but thats the place to start in the rebuild for me.

MightyDM
10-17-2021, 10:13 AM
Robinson is very likely Euro bound in January. No shame in being shut down by one of the best in MLS.

yes, exactly. Shaff now knows what the best looks like and that you have to upgrade your angles etc etc

MightyDM
10-17-2021, 10:14 AM
Interesting that attendance was down for a Saturday night game compared to the Sunday afternoon game a few weeks ago. People have choice right now & if you are going to go out in the midst of a pandemic, the night choice better be a decent team or its not going to happen.

It will be different next year as the idea of real membership returns & we all get more used to this - have to buy if you want to guarantee.

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Something I noticed - Molinaro's having somebody do a tactics column. They discussed Soteldo this week - called him here really as an assist space creating machine. The column said that he really needs a #9 to play off of. Discussed how Akinola could help with that but really needed a quality #9. NO discussion of Jozy.

I think word has gotten out that Jozy is going. Oh, and for those asking, a buyout can't take place officially until 2021. There will be a cathartic "the following contracts are not being renewed" moment within 48 hours of the last game. But that is unlikely to include Jozy at that point.

Og do you mean 2022? Its been a long couple of years...

jloome
10-17-2021, 12:07 PM
We got everything wrong tactically last night. The players didn't make a huge number of positional or unforced errors, they were just covered perfectly.


Pineda used the press when we tried to play from the back, then switched to a midfield block when we played through the middle. It was really clever and shut down the 433 direct completely.


I think maybe the way to counter it was to switch to a staggered midfield, with an an anchor and a number eight between the lines, so we could advance the ball through the middle of the park, then swing it wide when they dropped into the block, then switch field when they pushed wide again.


But we rode the same offense five games in a row and unlike "we play our system" coaches, Pineda obviously studies his opponents and adapts. I suspect the league is getting past the "make them play our way" mentality, as teams rarely have enough quality to be "all possession" as we used to be or "all press" as Philly used to be.


Teams are throwing out new looks based on situational tactical changes, and that's what we ran into yesterday.


But if you go back and look, aside from Achara's inability to track back defensively, we were pretty solid in most positions. In the second half, you could tell Perez was trying to get us to play tighter as a unit and use short passing to break down their pressing, but we're too sloppy now at the control game to carry it off.


Delgado and Bradley both played pretty well, Osorio played pretty well until his legs went, around minute 60, and we inexplicably left him on.


But our forward line was a total shitshow, Richie was largely ineffective on the flank (again, tired legs maybe). Auro was good defensively but is very much a fullback at this point, not a winger.


I sort of feel like we needed to go to the 5-3-2 with Lawrence-Gonzalez-Auro at the back and maybe Shaff-Laryea wide, as both play both directions pretty well. But we don't have the strike force to pair someone with a false nine, unless Pozuelo plays the entire game just behind Soteldo (who can't hit the broad side of a barn shooting; they're both false nines, really, in that they're natural midfielders).


How much Altidore is paid is moot; it's the roster spot that's the issue, not the money. I don't give a shit about other people's money but I do give a shit about what he's done to help this club to a title, multiple cups and three finals.


So I have nothing but love for the dude and would given him a backup roster spot until he retires, if his deal could be bought out. Ditto with Bradley. And there's not much point bitching about Gonzalez right now; he's too expensive and too inconsistent to be the number one, but he's played really well in the last three games.


We need to get rid of a lot of dead wood. Achara is not starting calibre, not yet. He might be, eventually, if he's not too fragile. But I suspect his read of the game isn't quite fast enough, which is why he keeps getting caught high up the pitch when we're tracking back.


Shaffelburg has skill but Robinson played him onto his weaker foot and wide all night, which is technique. Someone needs to teach him how to cut inside properly and when to do it to avoid being shepherded by a stronger defender or that shit'll happen every game. Again, he looks like he could round into a solid starter but his play is naive, still, and that needs addressing.


Soteldo was pretty awful yesterday. Just one bad decision after another. I see DP quality speed and ball skills, but not a DP quality brain. He has three trailers coming into the box and he's looking for a free man only, which he's not going to get. He has the ball wide and he always takes one more cutback, at least, than is necessary.


When he pulls stuff off it looks amazing but that's because it's all high risk, low return. His shot choices, his crossing choices. It's like he's demanding to influence the game when it isn't going to happen and ignoring the simpler choices that work.


When he eschewed that in the two prior games, he and Shaff and Achara hooked up really well. Yesterday, he kept drifting out of the central channel and wide constantly, instead of when a switch made sense, as if he was trying to force being allowed to play wide left.


I dunno, I just get the sense he's not the guy we need in that position. I know he has 10 assists and that's great, but he plays like a slugger who's always looking for the knockout punch for 90 minutes instead of leaving the low-percentage choices for last-minute desperation or heroics.


Biggest letdown last night was Perez. They were countering whatever we tried and we didn't adjust much. When it was clear they weren't going to play a high line, we should've slowed things down and moved to a shorter buildup using the whole pitch. Instead we tried to bomb it wide and got shut down again and again.

EDIT: And the JMR sub reeked of internal politics. He clearly didn't have confidence in him, or he would have taken off Osorio, who was gassed, instead. The kid clearly isn't ready, but the front office is clearly still pushing him as a commodity. pulling him off after a half-hour sub appearance is just terrible for a kid's confidence.

He had a nice piece of skill and buildup that led to a decent cross in the second half, a nice dispossession and counter, and a nice saving slide tackle on a breakaway, so he wasn't awful or ineffective, just out of his depth positionally, particularly on defense.

Kid could really benefit from a loan to a USL-C team where he plays every week, or maybe League Two/National clubs in England, where the skill level is fairly high but the athleticism and pace are slower. Like Singh, he seems to have speed and technique but very little game sense.

OgtheDim
10-17-2021, 03:12 PM
Og do you mean 2022? Its been a long couple of years...


Man...its been a looong 19 months.

buddies
10-17-2021, 05:23 PM
Hated that they took JMR off last night. Dumb thing to do with a kid trying to prove himself. Not making excuses for Perez but about the only thing I can think of is that they are focused on winning the Canadian Championship. Maybe with Poz and Jozy coming on he felt that he needed to get all of his guns on the field at the same time given their lack of playing time together this year. Osorio or Laryea were the obvious victims to be replaced with all they've played lately. It was there for all to see. They were both gassed and at risk of injury with all the miles on them lately but he took the kid off. Makes no sense otherwise.