MLS Match Day 26 - TFC @ Colorado Sat Sept 25 8:08pm - Like it used to be with me

[OgtheDim]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ry0LEZFsaE




Here Comes the Night

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Have at It People

[MikeForbes]

Poz suffered a setback and is out.

[Joe Kool]

Too bad they weren't playing here at BMO so we could get some help from the low altitude :) TFC need all the help they can get.

[613reppingTFC]

Poz suffered a setback and is out.

was this reported somewhere? I just haven't seen anything yet

[OgtheDim]

was this reported somewhere? I just haven't seen anything yet


Presser today

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/1441083283232727040

[Graeme]

Poz has only played 13 games this season. Jozy currently at 12 (including non-MLS games).

[MikeForbes]

Reminder that Bradley is suspended for this game.

[Lil'John]

Osorio and Delgado in front of the back 4?

[OgtheDim]

FWIW

Team flew into Colorado yesterday afternoon

https://twitter.com/SportsAviation/status/1441531698659741701


The dog remains unimpressed

https://twitter.com/OgtheDim/status/1429615426456236033

[PizzaEatingYeti]

https://twitter.com/OgtheDim/status/1429615426456236033

That little guy right here is a fine footy conoisseur!
I guess if TFC would be a top 5 MLS team this season, he (she?) would have been impressed at least a few times so far...

:thumbsup:

[PizzaEatingYeti]

MATCH DAY!

Just saying...
Because the silence in this thread is deafening (yet again)...

:scarf: :flare: :drum:

[jloome]

MATCH DAY!

Just saying...
Because the silence in this thread is deafening (yet again)...

:scarf: :flare: :drum:

It's somewhat telling about the lack of faith in the first team that the only team in USL-1 regularly getting thousands of views (other than Romeo Beckham's first game) on their YouTube videos is TFCII.

Everyone else struggles to make the hundreds of views let alone thousands.

TFC II gets 2,000 plus for every game. That' desperation, right there.

[MikeForbes]

https://twitter.com/TorontoFC/status/1441905026931249156?s=20

[OgtheDim]

We seem to be in "don't sit anybody at all for the sake of the kids" mode.

[MikeForbes]

I was absolutely racking my brain trying to figure out who 'Silva' was. What happened to Q?

[OgtheDim]

I was absolutely racking my brain trying to figure out who 'Silva' was. What happened to Q?


2 GK's on the bench - oh boy

[OgtheDim]

Kilbane sighting...

[rydermike]

2 GK's on the bench - oh boy
So Julian Dunn got sent to TFC2 for their game today and Jayden Nelson doesn't make the bench in favour of 2 Goalkeepers. Clear as day that Perez doesn't rate them at all.

[jloome]

So Julian Dunn got sent to TFC2 for their game today and Jayden Nelson doesn't make the bench in favour of 2 Goalkeepers. Clear as day that Perez doesn't rate them at all.

I don’t understand that move, and I don’t understand the formation change. We finally get something working and ditch it against a difficult team?

[gracos]

the announcer for TFC is saying the last shot is a warning sign, i feel all of our season is a warning that Curtis would never work here

[jloome]

Mullins movement is shit.

Soteldo is looking for a run and he just drifts sideways.

[MikeForbes]

Barrios would of scored if he didn't have such a stupid haircut.

[MikeForbes]

Soteldo looks lively tonight.

[jloome]

Has Osorio touched the ball yet?

Sixteen minutes in and we haven’t strung more than four passes together.

No threat from this lineup, no flank speed. No build, either, in the alternate.

I see us losing this 1-0, maybe 2-0. They’re moving us around already, we’re just trying to feed Soteldo, who shows no sign of becoming a prolific goal scorer.

[MikeForbes]

Auro as a RWB is not the way.

[jloome]

The last lineup worked because Soteldo is well suited to being a false nine, feeding two wing forwards with speed.

I don’t see where the build or threat will come from this lineup.

edit: maybe he’s holding Achara and Shaffelburg for later due to the altitude. Might be it.

[ag futbol]

Has Osorio touched the ball yet?

Sixteen minutes in and we haven’t strung more than four passes together.

No threat from this lineup, no flank speed. No build, either, in the alternate.

I see us losing this 1-0, maybe 2-0. They’re moving us around already, we’re just trying to feed Soteldo, who shows no sign of becoming a prolific goal scorer.
Yeah it’s a pretty mediocre performance so far. I can’t tell if this is just cause he has a long stride but it always seems to me like Okello never quite runs and is never quite in the play. Sort of a problem for a central midfielder

[MikeForbes]

Yeah it’s a pretty mediocre performance so far. I can’t tell if this is just cause he has a long stride but it always seems to me like Okello never quite runs and is never quite in the play. Sort of a problem for a central midfielder

If Okello reaches his potential, it will not be as a central midfielder.

[jloome]

If Okello reaches his potential, it will not be as a central midfielder.
I think he’s a striker, to be honest. His instinct is always to go to goal, he finishes well, he doesn’t have great two-way movement. With his height he could be a real threat.

But he’s been touted as a midfielder for his whole career, I think.

[ag futbol]

Delgado is allergic to the final 3rd. Should have kept pressing there rather than just passing to Mullins and looking to retreat.

[MikeForbes]

Mullinho juuust a bit outside.

[MikeForbes]

I think he’s a striker, to be honest. His instinct is always to go to goal, he finishes well, he doesn’t have great two-way movement. With his height he could be a real threat.

But he’s been touted as a midfielder for his whole career, I think.

I agree that he shows more promise going forward. That finish Wednesday night was very nice. I just can't see someone who is that big and tall being a midfielder for long.

[jloome]

Ah, shit.

any chance of a result in this is about to go south.

[portu]

Mavinga being made of glass is enough reason for me to want him gone next year. Only getting older.

[OgtheDim]

Second half is going to be a slog as the altitude kicks in

[MikeForbes]

Honestly done with Mavinga. He has regressed badly and is always hurt. Completely okay with Giovinco and Soteldo as the starting CB's next year.

[OgtheDim]

Ugh...

[benito]

This team is injury prone.

[SoccMan2]

Ya ok Mavinga go home I’ve had enough of you always injured down he goes again give me a break with the same players injured over and over again with this team !

[jloome]

Zavaleta is where starting a move goes to die.

[jloome]

Our weak spot is Noble in front of Omar. That’s where they’ll try to sneak ina trap break or trailing mid.

[OgtheDim]

:sleep::sleep::sleep:

[jloome]

I suspect this approach is all about clock killing due to altitude. He won’t put in any speed or change things until the last third of the game unless we’re losing. Probably smart. Boring as fuck though.

[MikeForbes]

Who has been our best player? Delgado? Soteldo? Haven't really noticed anyone else.

[OgtheDim]

When the highlight of the first half is what goals the CWNT players have scored today.

[jloome]

Who has been our best player? Delgado? Soteldo? Haven't really noticed anyone else.

Kemar Lawrence is doing well. Nobody awful yet except Mullinho, who looks unlikely to do any damage, his movement and anticipation are so poor.

Omar has a left-side blind spot. Never outlets that way, never tracks runs from oblique angles to his left. Interesting to see if they take advantage.

[jloome]

On the plus side, Colorado looks like they all ate heavily before the game, they’re moving so slowly. On the downside, Barrios and Shinyashiki are genuinely dangerous all the time.

[jloome]

That was … bleh. Two teams putting six men behind the ball at all times does not exciting football make.

[OgtheDim]

When the highlight of the first half is what goals the CWNT players have scored today.


Wait...we have another highlight of the game so far...the Ryobi tools commercial.

[jloome]

Kilbane calling out Mullins’ lousy movement and decisions.

The dude is not a starting striker in MLS. If he’d even tried to run in behind on that play, it would’ve created room for Soteldo to shoot by dragging the defender with him.

he just has no idea what he should be doing. I just don’t understand why we would start a guy as striker in a two-man front who doesn’t know what to do off the ball.

that kind of crap is as much why he got moved from position to position at New England and DC as anything. He had a lot of limiting injuries, yeah, but it’s not like he took the chances he got.

Use him as a late-game defensive forward only. Anything else is just a waste of a spot. Worse it limits his Partners’s efficacy.

[jloome]

A league game away, and we have six posters in this thread. It’s the kind of warning sign MLSE should pay attention to, but probably won’t.

[jloome]

Be interesting to see how Fraser adjusts. Expect a more aggressive Colorado this half.

[jloome]

Like, where was Mullins going?!

He doesn’t even run to the posts. He had no one on him and ran three feet outside the left post.

[OgtheDim]

Like, where was Mullins going?!

He doesn’t even run to the posts. He had no one on him and ran three feet outside the left post.


Its almost like he's under orders to not extend himself & get to 75 minutes or more before Achara comes on.

[OgtheDim]

"Gonzalez gets caught really flat footed"


DRINK

[jloome]

"Gonzalez gets caught really flat footed"


DRINK

lol Also “Soteldo, really trying to get something going, but…”

[jloome]

I wonder what Soteldo’s shots versus shots on target ratio is….

[rocktml]

Man soteldos finishing is Horrendous

[ag futbol]

Everyone says this is boring but I feel like I’ll get an extra 90 minutes of sleep today, plus stoppage time.

[Bushmancan]

That pass from Lawrence to Laryea just looked awful. At 65’ bring in Shaff and Achara, put Soteldo in them middle. Mullins for sure coming off, probably go 4 in the back. Not sure who the other person to come off will be.

[ag futbol]

Why is Caldwell taking the piss out of Soltedo for one play? He’s like our only attacking threat out there. Or at least he’s trying to be

[Bushmancan]

I know our next game is in 4 days but make the change.

[jloome]

We had bodies and position in their end and we pass it back to our half.

bleh! Bleh, I say,

oh good an actual threat

[jloome]

Perez sticks to the script. Here comes Shaff.

edit: oh shit, he took out Soteldo. Surprised. Thought he’d shift to the 433.

fucking draw isn’t doing us any good at this point of the season. We have to win a minimum of six out of nine to have any chance (which we don’t, but hoping to squeak a late goal seems pretty fucking defeatist).

[OgtheDim]

Zav CONCACAFing?

[Bushmancan]

Woohoo… No DPs and 4 fullbacks. Watch we win now

[MikeForbes]

Soteldo not having a fit is a plus.

[jloome]

Zav CONCACAFing?
Looked like a neck kink. He moved it twice, once each way, THEN grabbed it .

[MikeForbes]

Ref doesn't give anything, but Caldwell is pretty sure Delgado should receive the death penalty.

[Bushmancan]

Bono is loving Colorado. How far can i kick it.

[jloome]

Bono is loving Colorado. How far can i kick it.
He’s been really solid for multiple games now. One plus to the season.

[OgtheDim]

Yeh, no more Mullins beyond a defensive forward while winning

[jloome]

Robin Fraser looks pissed (and Apple just changed that to ‘passed’, I kid you not. Fucking hate apple more every day.)

[OgtheDim]

Man the PTSD is bad

6 minutes to go and all I can think is who is going to screw up so we lose this game

[jloome]

No, Steve he got NONE of the ball.

fuck he’s either blind as a bat or utterly lacking in the humility required to correct himself.

[jloome]

Man the PTSD is bad

6 minutes to go and all I can think is who is going to screw up so we lose this game

yup.

[ag futbol]

Well, can’t argue with the point even if it was borderline Catenaccio tactics that got it

[jloome]

Meh. We played for a draw when we’re last in the league.

perez playing to keep up confidence, as if theyre kindergarteners.

[MikeForbes]

That was so boring. Still a decent result considering where they are in the standings and where we are.

[jloome]

They played to not lose, which is pretty much always garbage.

cowardly coaching decision.

[OgtheDim]

They are going to say its a great result but really that is treading water stuff

[ensco]

I think they got focused on that 75 goals allowed record. The humiliation of breaking it with this payroll…

[MightyDM]

Honestly done with Mavinga. He has regressed badly and is always hurt. Completely okay with Giovinco and Soteldo as the starting CB's next year.

You funny

[jloome]

I think they got focused on that 75 goals allowed record. The humiliation of breaking it with this payroll…

Perez' quote after the game was "This team is changing from being a group of individuals to be a team."

Given that no one other than Soteldo and Lawrence is a new arrival, it begs the question of how they played as a team under Vanney, why they regressed so badly once he left.

Makes it sound like a fair chunk of our issues have just been personality problems. Maybe that's his diplomatic way of saying "well, they were a bunch of arrogant showboaters who blamed everyone but themselves, and now they're not."

[OgtheDim]

FWIW

https://twitter.com/GameFlowxPG/status/1442094178687754240

If anybody can figure out what happened at the 43 minute that there are no highlights of that is that 0.32 chance for us.

[jloome]

FWIW

https://twitter.com/GameFlowxPG/status/1442094178687754240

If anybody can figure out what happened at the 43 minute that there are no highlights of that is that 0.32 chance for us.

Mullinho had a close-range shot. It was bad angle and he skied it but it was from within about 12 feet of the net. He had two men on the other side of the box open, so he should've crossed.

[Joe Kool]

Been a while since I watched a game where nobody really wanted to score from either team (aside from a few individual efforts). They were both worried about not getting scored on more and nobody really wanted to press as a team on either side. Pretty boring.

[OgtheDim]

FWIW

Team flew back last night - if they needed sleep aids last night, just shoulda watched that match again


https://twitter.com/SportsAviation/status/1442116247345418242


My dog is still not impressed


https://twitter.com/OgtheDim/status/1437141996045541378

[Gringo Starr]

Not impressed? That is a look of disdain

[Initial B]

I had a choice between going to the Atletico Ottawa game or watching TFC. It sounds like I chose the better option (though the ATO theme song could use some work).

[MightyDM]

Actually it was interesting. Worth watching reply on DAZN if you have it - fast forward a fair bit but have a look at their defensive organization.

[613reppingTFC]

I wonder what Soteldo’s shots versus shots on target ratio is….

Shots 38, Shots on target 14 = 37%

[jloome]

Shots 38, Shots on target 14 = 37%

Dead on average for a whole team in most European leagues. Even when you look at individual numbers, they tend for multiple tries to be between 33 and 45% for forwards.

His conversion rate is terrible, though, .05% from open play.

Compared to premier league stats? Among people who've actually scored this year that matches the lowest in the EPL, Adam Armstrong of Southampton, who has one goal on 19 shots.

So basically, average on target % but abysmal finishing rate = very poor shot choices. Even when he gets one on target he is unlikely to score.