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OgtheDim
09-11-2021, 09:43 PM
And prayed to Jesus Christ
With all of our might

We had no cameras
To shoot the landscape
We passed the hash pipe
And played our Doors tapes
And it was dark
So dark at night
And we held on to each other
Like brother to brother
We promised our mothers we'd write


And we would all go down together
We said we'd all go down together
Yes we would all go down together


OK the TFC situation is not as bad as Vietnam so perspective here but...this does all feel like a bit of a deathmarch



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Have at It People

Ultra & Proud
09-11-2021, 11:40 PM
For a while I was concerned we'd squeak out some results and surpass 23 points and possibly lose out on the wooden spoon.

I'm not worried anymore.

Blindside16
09-13-2021, 01:15 AM
This team is making it harder and harder to watch games. My PTSD is fully on and I almost expect a loss every game now. There is no heart and no pride at the moment. That being said it is MLS so we probably win 4-3.

Prof
09-13-2021, 08:12 AM
We need a win badly. Bradley needs to start on the bench. Mullins and Dwyer need to be sent down to TFC 2. If Mavinga's head is into it, send him packing. Too many mistakes this year from a player as talented as him.
Westburg
Laryea Gonzales Mavinga Morrow
Delgado
Pozuelo Osorio Soltado
Marshall-Rutty Achara

Joe Kool
09-13-2021, 09:06 AM
I will watch because I am a sucker for punishment with this team. But it is hard to do these days I am sure everyone will agree. You can see on the player's faces last game how the mentality on the team is. They look like there is no hope and at the point of blaming and yelling at each other on the field. Pretty bleak. I don't ever wish bad luck on our team but honestly sometimes for things to change in the corporate decision making shit has to hit the fan. Happened to TFC before and needs to again to be honest for things to change and get better. If the team all of a sudden make a slight push and that takes any pressure off making the needed changes then that does not do anyone any good in the long term. I see us losing this one if Miami is full strength.

Ultra & Proud
09-13-2021, 09:30 AM
I don't ever wish bad luck on our team but honestly sometimes for things to change in the corporate decision making shit has to hit the fan. Happened to TFC before and needs to again to be honest for things to change and get better. If the team all of a sudden make a slight push and that takes any pressure off making the needed changes then that does not do anyone any good in the long term.
This is where I am at too. The worst thing that could happen is a late season push like 6-2-2 as it might give Manning an excuse to keep Curtis and continue to ride the dead weight of our roster. At this point we'd be better off long term if we historically tank this whole season. Maybe even lose to York as a cherry on top.

I also agree we lose this one to Miami. I say 2-1 to a late goal. We haven't done any of those in a while but probably because we never have a lead or draw going late on.

Canary10
09-13-2021, 09:59 AM
I remember a few months ago we were all making fun of Miami and how bad Phil Neville is. They're now on 29 points and a run that could get them into the playoffs and we're...well...

ag futbol
09-13-2021, 10:04 AM
This team is making it harder and harder to watch games. My PTSD is fully on and I almost expect a loss every game now. There is no heart and no pride at the moment. That being said it is MLS so we probably win 4-3.
I’ve phoned it in for the year. I’ll watch if I happen to be free but I won’t PVR the games or go out of my way to try and watch the way I would before.

Following this team right now seems like an exercise in aggravation. When the club shows what it’s going to do to fix its subpar management team and subsequently starts to work on the roster, I’ll tune back in.

MightyDM
09-13-2021, 10:45 AM
Is this at BMO?

Joe Kool
09-13-2021, 11:00 AM
For the midfield and fullback positions we have some options at least...nothing at forward/striker and nothing in central defence. What we have playing is the best we have and we don't even have an injury excuse for CB position like we do up top. That is the worst part. Gonzalez really seems useless this year. Mavinga doesn't seem to have his head in the game. Zavaleta is Zavaleta and maybe the better option right now....then what. Just pathetic. How many goals have gone in recently because of the lack of organization or guys just plain standing still on defence. Our results won't change with that the way it is. Westburg must be losing his shit on these guys for leaving him hanging out to dry so many times.

James17930
09-13-2021, 11:24 AM
I can't watch these games anymore. It's too painful.

Ultra & Proud
09-13-2021, 11:27 AM
We need a win badly. Bradley needs to start on the bench. Mullins and Dwyer need to be sent down to TFC 2. If Mavinga's head is into it, send him packing. Too many mistakes this year from a player as talented as him.
Westburg
Laryea Gonzales Mavinga Morrow
Delgado
Pozuelo Osorio Soltado
Marshall-Rutty Achara

I'm not going to say we need a win at this point as the season is now meaningless but if we wanted to look at least like we want to compete then I would say

Westburg
Laryea Lawrence Morrow Mavinga Auro
Osorio
Schaff Pozuelo Solteldo
Achara

Still lose but probably more entertaining

MightyDM
09-13-2021, 11:32 AM
I'm not going to say we need a win at this point as the season is now meaningless but if we wanted to look at least like we want to compete then I would say

Westburg
Laryea Lawrence Morrow Mavinga Auro
Osorio
Schaff Pozuelo Solteldo
Achara

Still lose but probably more entertaining

You are in the right track

noimpactinmtl
09-13-2021, 11:38 AM
For the midfield and fullback positions we have some options at least...nothing at forward/striker and nothing in central defence. What we have playing is the best we have and we don't even have an injury excuse for CB position like we do up top. That is the worst part. Gonzalez really seems useless this year. Mavinga doesn't seem to have his head in the game. Zavaleta is Zavaleta and maybe the better option right now....then what. Just pathetic. How many goals have gone in recently because of the lack of organization or guys just plain standing still on defence. Our results won't change with that the way it is. Westburg must be losing his shit on these guys for leaving him hanging out to dry so many times.

I'll say it once and I'll say it again. MLS CB is a position you either get lucky at or develop from the academy (which come to think of it, is mostly luck due to 90 percent of academy players not making to senior team). It's not a position you can buy a good player with. Even if you are willing to buy Varane, he might not be willing to leave UEFA competitions.

We're terrible at developing CBs, and frankly, Canada has struggled with developing center backs outside of expats in Europe. Nearly every team that managed to develop a defensive core invested heavily into their academy and player development. Whether it's Ali or the next GM or president, there needs to be a deep look into player development at Toronto FC.

MikeForbes
09-13-2021, 11:51 AM
Maybe they can score a goal.

OgtheDim
09-13-2021, 11:58 AM
Is this at BMO?


Uh, yes, indeed it will be down at the place near the lake where we make mistakes


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Based on recent experience, I'd say Poz is out for (insert meme here) - don't expect to see him.

Red CB Toronto
09-13-2021, 12:11 PM
Is proof of vaccination required tomorrow night? I know MLSE announced it would beginning with the September games but then the province has mandated it starting on the 22nd?

FootBallAZ
09-13-2021, 01:35 PM
Is proof of vaccination required tomorrow night? I know MLSE announced it would beginning with the September games but then the province has mandated it starting on the 22nd?



they sent an email clarifying not required until sept 22

MightyDM
09-13-2021, 07:39 PM
Uh, yes, indeed it will be down at the place near the lake where we make mistakes


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Based on recent experience, I'd say Poz is out for (insert meme here) - don't expect to see him.


That was intended to be a joke...

I've decided not to go - although the crowd will likely be sparse, i am personally not comfortable from a COVID perspective. I only realized this after going to the CMNT v Honduras. Didnt go to the second

MightyDM
09-13-2021, 07:40 PM
Maybe they can score a goal.

hahahaahhaa

MightyDM
09-14-2021, 10:30 AM
Game day.

Kamp Berg
09-14-2021, 10:34 AM
Maybe they can score a goal.

If the lineup is anything like Saturday then I would expect another 2-0 score line, maybe 3-0?

PizzaEatingYeti
09-14-2021, 11:56 AM
Uh, yes, indeed it will be down at the place near the lake where we make mistakes


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Based on recent experience, I'd say Poz is out for (insert meme here) - don't expect to see him.


What's the reaction of your dog before this game?

I guess the worst thing can happen is no reaction at all. :hide:

OgtheDim
09-14-2021, 12:04 PM
FWIW

Miami flew in last night

https://twitter.com/SportsAviation/status/1437486837321326593



My dog remains ...unimpressed


https://twitter.com/OgtheDim/status/1437141996045541378

OgtheDim
09-14-2021, 12:06 PM
There you go people....

its all downhill from here ( I want to believe, I really do but...)

Red CB Toronto
09-14-2021, 12:35 PM
There you go people....

its all downhill from here ( I want to believe, I really do but...)

I will be very curious to see how many are in the building tonight, especially with the Jays also at home and are on fire? For some the only highlight would be if Sir David is in attendance. LOL

benito
09-14-2021, 12:48 PM
I will be very curious to see how many are in the building tonight, especially with the Jays also at home and are on fire? For some the only highlight would be if Sir David is in attendance. LOL

I think its going to be a very small crowd tonight. Too many reasons for people not to attend... poor on field performance, short ticket window, fan apathy and shitty weather.

MikeForbes
09-14-2021, 01:48 PM
If you were a fan of both sports and each ticket was (for an example) 40-50 bucks, you'd be foolish not to attend the Jays game. I'll watch the TFC game on TV because there are only one or two a week and I know I'll miss them when November rolls around. If I lived in Toronto and had an option to attending one live, I'd be in the Dome. The Jays have so much momentum right now.

FootBallAZ
09-14-2021, 02:34 PM
the whole westside is EMPTY LOL.

I was considering but changed my mind over the weekend- i rather have Team canada last two games in my mind @ BMO and rather than a terrible performance.

I can reflect on the 3-0 Win or the 1-1 draw and how fun and hype it was to be part of a meaningful game where the team leaves their passion on the field.


definitely writing to my rep to send a message to the board about how the last three seasons have been run.

CorrwgBach
09-14-2021, 02:37 PM
I'm going, but there again I'm Welsh so being miserable and wet is perfection.

But man what has happened to this team, it is quite the spectacle to see how bad they are.

Gringo Starr
09-14-2021, 02:50 PM
There you go people....

its all downhill from here ( I want to believe, I really do but...)

I look forward to the day when things are good again and we get to see your dog looking impressed

Initial B
09-14-2021, 03:16 PM
The ESPN Power Ranking blurb on TFC noted how the players look like they've given up. Even the MLS website says at this point they should be looking to next season. I don't see them winning this game.

OgtheDim
09-14-2021, 04:02 PM
https://twitter.com/ONThealth/status/1437480844080320514

Hmm.....this is actually a good idea

OgtheDim
09-14-2021, 06:06 PM
No Omar in the starting 11

OgtheDim
09-14-2021, 06:07 PM
Gonzo did not travel.

Chapman starting

reggie
09-14-2021, 06:14 PM
Gonzo did not travel.

Chapman starting
chaps scores 2 in a 3 -nil loss

alex andrew
09-14-2021, 06:49 PM
tfc tfc tfc

good evening ladies and gentlemen

MikeForbes
09-14-2021, 06:51 PM
Field looks awful.

OgtheDim
09-14-2021, 06:51 PM
That crowd....never was going to be good...strange night....only got access to tickets last week...team being bad....thunderstorm possible.

MikeForbes
09-14-2021, 06:53 PM
Endoh is kind of injury prone. Bring on JMR. Everyone says he is the best player ever. Let's see him prove it.

alex andrew
09-14-2021, 06:54 PM
we're better than miami footie

MikeForbes
09-14-2021, 06:55 PM
Shaffelburg is from Nova Scotia. He deserves it the most.

Auzzy
09-14-2021, 06:55 PM
Glad to see our strength & conditioning team is league-leading as always.

benito
09-14-2021, 06:56 PM
That crowd....never was going to be good...strange night....only got access to tickets last week...team being bad.

the late ticket access seems very poorly planned. It seems the club can’t do anything well these days.

SoccMan2
09-14-2021, 06:56 PM
Wow I think the Argos are getting better crowds and I guess they don’t care about the field anymore you can also see the football lines . Just a matter of time that this club goes the way of the Toronto Blizzard!

MikeForbes
09-14-2021, 06:57 PM
Soteldo as a lone striker is... An option?

alex andrew
09-14-2021, 06:58 PM
Wow I think the Argos are getting better crowds and I guess they don’t care about the field anymore you can also see the football lines . Just a matter of time that this club goes the way of the Toronto Blizzard!

would be a pitty

lots of money and 'very' lots of football fans !

OgtheDim
09-14-2021, 06:58 PM
Football stripes

portu
09-14-2021, 07:00 PM
Shoutout Bill “Slithery Corporate Snake” Manning. Marks from the Argos all over the pitch to match the ugly blue logo adorning a north side pillar. So much for never being able to notice this bullshit.

jloome
09-14-2021, 07:02 PM
Well, he made the move with Omar. So we’re at least better in the back.

Miami’s weak enough, latest results not withstanding, that that could be enough to squeak something. A lot depending on Soteldo upfront.

MikeForbes
09-14-2021, 07:02 PM
The Argos should fold. Give a team to Atlantic Canada. No one would notice.

Kamp Berg
09-14-2021, 07:03 PM
Tonight is the first time I’ve ever bet against TFC. I’m hopeful that I’ll lose money tonight 😃

jloome
09-14-2021, 07:04 PM
Well…. That’ll help.

MikeForbes
09-14-2021, 07:04 PM
Wow. A red for that? He was off.

jloome
09-14-2021, 07:05 PM
Ouch. Dammit.

Kamp Berg
09-14-2021, 07:05 PM
Best money I’ve ever spent!

OgtheDim
09-14-2021, 07:05 PM
That's offside

tfcfans
09-14-2021, 07:05 PM
Nope, back to no chance.....back to setting records for futility....I honestly have no idea how we are going to score goals outside of a penalty being awarded....Never mind stopping any opponent to less than 2 goals.....

Kamp Berg
09-14-2021, 07:06 PM
Best money I’ve ever spent!

Maybe not 😢

ag futbol
09-14-2021, 07:07 PM
Can you imagine having a forward that can actually hold up the ball and play 1-2 passes? I can’t

MikeForbes
09-14-2021, 07:08 PM
Achara should of buried that.

jloome
09-14-2021, 07:09 PM
we’re playing confidently

makes a hell of a difference when they dont have to worry we have zero central defence.

Kamp Berg
09-14-2021, 07:09 PM
I hope Perez finally sees that its a good idea to stop playing the lazy veterans, especially Gonzalez. That guys a cancer now.

benito
09-14-2021, 07:10 PM
The pitch is in terrible condition and it’s only going to get worse. TFC and the Argos have a bunch of home games in the next two months and the weather is only getting colder. It’s going to be pretty beat up by the end of the year.

Kamp Berg
09-14-2021, 07:13 PM
At least most of the guys seem like they want to be there tonight. It’s very refreshing.

OgtheDim
09-14-2021, 07:13 PM
Playing well.....no goal yet but created actual chances.

tfcfans
09-14-2021, 07:14 PM
It’s really hard not to just leave the Jays game on, and not even flip back and forth as a courtesy....and I’m still a long time STH.....I can't imagine any casuals being at all interested in this nonsense.

I am also very interested to see what kind of numbers renew their ST next season if they sell them as per usual. Even at $21 a seat I’m not so inclined to make the hour long trip to BMO each way to watch them fumble along and generally not seeming interested to actually care for 90 Minutes, and I was there in 2007 through the “worst team in the world” seasons as well.....

In 2007-2012 we didn’t know what success was like, it was just a glint on the horizon; now that we’ve seen the highs of 2015-2020 (minus 2018), we know how good it can be, and how simply awful this garbage is.....

jloome
09-14-2021, 07:14 PM
At least most of the guys seem like they want to be there tonight. It’s very refreshing.

I suspect Omar's lack of mobility made most of them think it was pointless.

Thomas
09-14-2021, 07:15 PM
After the last match I told myself I would skip watching the next one. Just too painful. Well, I’m back here watching this one. Even when we suck, it’s hard to stay away.

Kamp Berg
09-14-2021, 07:16 PM
I suspect Omar's lack of mobility made most of them think it was pointless.

For sure. I also don’t image anyone took well to his bullshit postgame comments.

Kamp Berg
09-14-2021, 07:18 PM
I know it’s early in the evening, but Lawrence just might be the best candidate for CB#2 for the rest of the year.

Auzzy
09-14-2021, 07:19 PM
BMO Field drawing flies. At least the camera is.

MikeForbes
09-14-2021, 07:20 PM
Take a drink everytime Caldwell says some variation of the word "penetrate".

jloome
09-14-2021, 07:21 PM
Mavinga came to play tOnight

Auzzy
09-14-2021, 07:22 PM
Take a drink everytime Caldwell says some variation of the word "penetrate".

Add “quality” and we’re looking at alcohol poisoning.

Kamp Berg
09-14-2021, 07:23 PM
This lineup with Poz and Westburg in and Bradley and Bono out, might just be the best TFC has right now.

OgtheDim
09-14-2021, 07:23 PM
Gallardo is alive

benito
09-14-2021, 07:24 PM
Gallardo is alive

lol I thought the same thing. I completely forgot about him.

MikeForbes
09-14-2021, 07:24 PM
Add “quality” and we’re looking at alcohol poisoning.

I'll create the ultimate Steven Caldwell drinking game next year. Let's see how many of us survive 90 minutes.

SoccMan2
09-14-2021, 07:25 PM
They are going to have to sign a name player close to a Messi or a Ronaldo type to keep the SSTH from not renewing if not get use to seeing BMO Field empty like this.

OgtheDim
09-14-2021, 07:26 PM
Actually kinda fun to watch in a "it could all go pear shape really quickly" sort of way


As i was saying

MikeForbes
09-14-2021, 07:27 PM
They are going to have to sign a name player close to a Messi or a Ronaldo type to keep the SSTH from not renewing if not get use to seeing BMO Field empty like this.

Cavani or Di Maria are likely big name targets.

Kamp Berg
09-14-2021, 07:28 PM
I know it’s early in the evening, but Lawrence just might be the best candidate for CB#2 for the rest of the year.

Wow, really eating my words tonight.

Thomas
09-14-2021, 07:29 PM
Many people shat on Auro for his play over the years. The fact that he is one of the better players on the team now speaks to the regression of the team.

MikeForbes
09-14-2021, 07:29 PM
Worst year ever.

portu
09-14-2021, 07:30 PM
Ali Curtis should already be giving notice on his lease

jloome
09-14-2021, 07:30 PM
Damn. Everything goes to shit with one play.

benito
09-14-2021, 07:30 PM
I know it’s early in the evening, but Lawrence just might be the best candidate for CB#2 for the rest of the year.

this didn’t age well

alex andrew
09-14-2021, 07:31 PM
bono = sepp

jloome
09-14-2021, 07:31 PM
On the bright side, Shaffelburg is causing them all sorts of trouble.

Kamp Berg
09-14-2021, 07:31 PM
this didn’t age well

Nope, very badly. Just like everything else with this team this year.

Ultra & Proud
09-14-2021, 07:32 PM
I know it’s early in the evening, but Lawrence just might be the best candidate for CB#2 for the rest of the year.

I think the CFL lines confused Lawrence as to which type of football we were playing.

RedsYNWA
09-14-2021, 07:32 PM
Add “quality” and we’re looking at alcohol poisoning.

:smilielol5:

MikeForbes
09-14-2021, 07:33 PM
Don't you dare invoke the name of Robin van Persie in a game like this, you idiot.

Kamp Berg
09-14-2021, 07:33 PM
QUOTE=Ultra & Proud;1944286]I think the CFL lines confused Lawrence as to which type of football we were playing.[/QUOTE]

The more I see him play, the more I think he’s going to turn out to be a mediocre signing for the team, at best.

alex andrew
09-14-2021, 07:34 PM
wonder if these teams are coached by coaches or accountants

OgtheDim
09-14-2021, 07:35 PM
this didn’t age well


Except...even with the red....Lawrence is a better CB then Omar & Zavs.

Auzzy
09-14-2021, 07:36 PM
That’s the arrogance that jloome speaks of. Makeshift CB pairing, trying to not leak goals for once. But on that play they were pulled way too far forward and far apart even though Miami had the ball in our half. (Also other times they were too far forward, even in the Miami half.) Red card & a loss now likely.

RedsYNWA
09-14-2021, 07:37 PM
They are going to have to sign a name player close to a Messi or a Ronaldo type to keep the SSTH from not renewing if not get use to seeing BMO Field empty like this.
Well Barcelona are bankrupt ... not too soon you will see many EU sides not backed by OIL or the mob going under... I think MLS as a whole has the upper hand.

jloome
09-14-2021, 07:38 PM
Can’t fault the effort or gameplan tonight. Rash decision by Lawrence, even with the player Through. Bono’s pretty good at coming out.

They’re working hard, though.

Interesting that Gonzalez didn’t even bring his shinpads to the bench.

RedsYNWA
09-14-2021, 07:42 PM
Qatar wants their Champions league trophy ala PSG or Man City.....I believe they get it this year. They are loaded for the WC next year.

OgtheDim
09-14-2021, 07:59 PM
"Missing the presence of Omar Gonzalez"


No, actually, we are not.

jloome
09-14-2021, 07:59 PM
Damn that was stupid. That kind of shit isn’t helping.

If we can’t get anything going on the ground and it’s late, put Zavaleta in alone up top. He’s really dangerous in the air and scored goals for fun in college.

MikeForbes
09-14-2021, 08:00 PM
I'll give him another year, but Soteldo is not my favorite player in the world. That is for sure.

MikeForbes
09-14-2021, 08:05 PM
Higuain is the TFC killer.

portu
09-14-2021, 08:09 PM
Soteldo for captain just because he seems like the only guy who visibly cares

OgtheDim
09-14-2021, 08:10 PM
"Talk to me Bones", calls out Bradley.

OgtheDim
09-14-2021, 08:11 PM
Best part of the night so far is Shaf

jloome
09-14-2021, 08:13 PM
Doing the business. He’s had a good night.

MikeForbes
09-14-2021, 08:14 PM
God, I hope Bradley can play and accept being a CB next year. It is what will be best for the player and club.

MikeForbes
09-14-2021, 08:15 PM
Achara off now. He looks dead on his feet.

OgtheDim
09-14-2021, 08:17 PM
God, I hope Bradley can play and accept being a CB next year. It is what will be best for the player and club.


Yeh, he's not as gaffe prone but people will learn to beat him for speed.

jloome
09-14-2021, 08:18 PM
Cheap by Chapman. Makes me feel a little better about him going. Not much, but a little.

Kamp Berg
09-14-2021, 08:18 PM
"Missing the presence of Omar Gonzalez"


No, actually, we are not.

I’m so happy I’m watching a Sky broadcast tonight!

jloome
09-14-2021, 08:22 PM
Annnnd…. Then Soteldo sorta dove there. There was contact but boy he reacted late.

Thomas
09-14-2021, 08:23 PM
Caldwell terrible

MikeForbes
09-14-2021, 08:23 PM
Yeh, he's not as gaffe prone but people will learn to beat him for speed.

Even at 34 he looks like Usain Bolt compared to Omar and Zavaleta. I would be alright with starting next year with Bradley, Mavinga and a u-22 initiative CB as the top 3 CB options. Definitely hoping for better options though.

jloome
09-14-2021, 08:24 PM
Bono has been excellent tonight.

Kamp Berg
09-14-2021, 08:29 PM
Even with the red card, this is still one of the best games to watch this year.

OgtheDim
09-14-2021, 08:29 PM
Oso has been....very captain like tonight. Vocal.

MikeForbes
09-14-2021, 08:30 PM
There is a bench there, Javier.

MightyDM
09-14-2021, 08:31 PM
Even with the red card, this is still one of the best games to watch this year.

Because of the Red???

MightyDM
09-14-2021, 08:31 PM
There is a bench there, Javier.

Who are you calling for?

Kamp Berg
09-14-2021, 08:32 PM
Because of the Red???

No, in spite of the red card.

ensco
09-14-2021, 08:32 PM
We are blowing the “supertest barbell double” here.

(Setting the league record for goals against while simultaneously having the league's highest payroll. If we don’t do it now, it will never be done. I promise you, we will never see another team with a shot at this in our lifetime.)

MikeForbes
09-14-2021, 08:33 PM
Chapman is totally going out to the clubs in 20ish minutes.

MikeForbes
09-14-2021, 08:33 PM
Who are you calling for?

JMR for Achara. Let's see him play.

OgtheDim
09-14-2021, 08:33 PM
There is a bench there, Javier.


Not sure any of them baring JMR & Morrow would be welcome

MightyDM
09-14-2021, 08:35 PM
I was serious. I think the red card made the game.

MightyDM
09-14-2021, 08:36 PM
Oso looks gassed

Kamp Berg
09-14-2021, 08:37 PM
I was serious. I think the red card made the game.

Haha, you might be right!

jloome
09-14-2021, 08:38 PM
That’s A fucking goal.

goddamn

ag futbol
09-14-2021, 08:38 PM
That is 100% in. If they can’t piece this together they should turn in their whistles

MikeForbes
09-14-2021, 08:38 PM
Can we seriously not see a clear replay?

jloome
09-14-2021, 08:39 PM
Shameful.

ag futbol
09-14-2021, 08:39 PM
What a fucking joke, clearly over the line from the one replay and obviously there from other angles too if not for the obstructed view

OgtheDim
09-14-2021, 08:39 PM
That's a goal....

MightyDM
09-14-2021, 08:39 PM
No doubt about that! Look where his hands are. OMG poor TFC

jloome
09-14-2021, 08:40 PM
Speed and angle and where he blocked it. Basic physics, that was in.

Auzzy
09-14-2021, 08:40 PM
OMFG Caldwell STFU it's so fucking obvious that was across the line OMG I fucking can't believe this.

Thomas
09-14-2021, 08:40 PM
Ball crossed the line. Clear and obvious

alex andrew
09-14-2021, 08:40 PM
hmmm

MikeForbes
09-14-2021, 08:41 PM
That was in. No 100% proof, but we all can draw the conclusion that it was a goal based on the keepers hands and upper body.

wopchop
09-14-2021, 08:42 PM
Unbelievable

alex andrew
09-14-2021, 08:42 PM
't weren't pixels, not even...it was one meter !

MightyDM
09-14-2021, 08:42 PM
That is 100% in. If they can’t piece this together they should turn in their whistles

Exactly. The league will apologize…

jloome
09-14-2021, 08:42 PM
That’s one of the worst decisions I’ve ever seen.

Bushmancan
09-14-2021, 08:43 PM
I know Miami are shit but still best game they have played all year. Played with heart and Shaff was robbed.

OgtheDim
09-14-2021, 08:43 PM
If we lose this due to a Zavs brain fart....

MikeForbes
09-14-2021, 08:43 PM
Eriq in to play striker?!

Kamp Berg
09-14-2021, 08:44 PM
I can’t believe they don’t have camera coverage from both sides, pretty bullshit setup.

jloome
09-14-2021, 08:44 PM
This is just robbery.

MikeForbes
09-14-2021, 08:44 PM
If we lose this due to a Zavs brain fart....

How about a Mavinga brain fart?

Bushmancan
09-14-2021, 08:44 PM
I have never seen Bono save one.

OgtheDim
09-14-2021, 08:44 PM
And there we go.......

alex andrew
09-14-2021, 08:45 PM
6 points

benito
09-14-2021, 08:45 PM
How about a Mavinga brain fart?

You called it

notthesun
09-14-2021, 08:45 PM
this is actually our worst season ever LOL

jloome
09-14-2021, 08:46 PM
You can’t pause during the kick. That’s illegal isn’t it?

MikeForbes
09-14-2021, 08:46 PM
Is this season over yet?

Kamp Berg
09-14-2021, 08:46 PM
Guess I’m making money tonight after all.

samuraizero
09-14-2021, 08:47 PM
You can’t pause during the kick. That’s illegal isn’t it?


Not when you're playing against toronto its not

OgtheDim
09-14-2021, 08:47 PM
They have got to figure out a way to make that sort of a PK attempt illegal.

ag futbol
09-14-2021, 08:47 PM
Ooof. We are inventing ways to lose at this stage.

Mavinga’s judgment this year has been seriously bad. There was no need to make that challenge. Should have just jockied him amd shown him wide

jloome
09-14-2021, 08:47 PM
Absolutely robbed due to the missed goal.

criminal. League should be ashamed.

Kamp Berg
09-14-2021, 08:47 PM
QUOTE=jloome;1944354]You can’t pause during the kick. That’s illegal isn’t it?[/QUOTE]

Yes, that’s fucking bullshit!

MikeForbes
09-14-2021, 08:48 PM
That type of penalty is becoming very popular. Jorginho does that stupid shit all the time.

mauser09
09-14-2021, 08:48 PM
10 games to go...

SirBobSaget
09-14-2021, 08:48 PM
Tomorrow Manning offers himself and Curtis a 50 year extension. Enjoy your 1/10th filed stadium next year Mr Manning. Thanks for tanking the franchise.

notthesun
09-14-2021, 08:49 PM
He didn't fully stop during his run up. You have to actually completely stop forward momentum, he was barely moving but he was still moving.

Even with the red card this was a game we win like 99 out of 100 times, this season is just cursed. It's comical how we lose ourselves games.

MightyDM
09-14-2021, 08:49 PM
That’s one of the worst decisions I’ve ever seen.

There are lot of competitors but it’s so wrong. SOS so wrong. Not even close.

OgtheDim
09-14-2021, 08:50 PM
Tomorrow Manning offers himself and Curtis a 50 year extension. Enjoy your 1/10th filed stadium next year Mr Manning. Thanks for tanking the franchise.


Sorry, but after that game if you go there, you were not watching.

There is a lot wrong with this team, and Curtis should be fired.


But if you waited into stoppage time & had that ready to cut and paste & send....you were not watching the game for the sake of supporting the team, you were watching for the sake of supporting an opinion


I support Toronto FC


I am not on here as a supporter of #FIRE(insert figure here)

wopchop
09-14-2021, 08:50 PM
You can’t pause during the kick. That’s illegal isn’t it?

IFAB Laws of the Game 2021-22


except for the following when play will be stopped and restarted with an indirect free kick, regardless of whether or not a goal is scored:



a penalty kick is kicked backwards
a team-mate of the identified kicker takes the kick; the referee cautions the player who took the kick
feinting to kick the ball once the kicker has completed the run-up (feinting in the run-up is permitted); the referee cautions the kicker

alex andrew
09-14-2021, 08:50 PM
north american football lost years of hard work tonight !

Kamp Berg
09-14-2021, 08:51 PM
He didn't fully stop during his run up. You have to actually completely stop forward momentum, he was barely moving but he was still moving.

Even with the red card this was a game we win like 99 out of 100 times, this season is just cursed. It's comical how we lose ourselves games.

At least everyone was working hard, takes the sting out of it.

MightyDM
09-14-2021, 08:51 PM
You can’t pause during the kick. That’s illegal isn’t it?

Yes, he actually sort of went backwards. That was beyond the rule.

SirBobSaget
09-14-2021, 08:52 PM
Sorry, but after that game if you go there, you were not watching.

There is a lot wrong with this team, and Curtis should be fired.


But if you waited into stoppage time & had that ready to cut and paste & send....that is pathetic.

Get lost man that's bullshit going after other pissed off fans. This is our place to vent.

SoccMan2
09-14-2021, 08:54 PM
MLS just embarrassed themselves tonight with not having goal line technology, are you kidding me it’s 2021 and a like the MLS not having the technology and misses a clear goal . Anyways, this franchise is on the brink of oblivion not too long to go before TFC joins the many pro soccer teams in North America in the graveyard of pro soccer franchises!

Auzzy
09-14-2021, 08:54 PM
Mavinga is so brutally one-footed, nuts to go in with your left foot there, plus he didn't need to slide so close to the touch line anyway.

Fuckity fuck fuck, absolutely robbed. TFC played much better than expected. Right mentality tonight. Still needs more finish. Shaffelcastle has really improved, some great passes and ball control, plus putting in a shift on defense.

MightyDM
09-14-2021, 08:54 PM
They have got to figure out a way to make that sort of a PK attempt illegal.

Yes, it is ridiculous and unbecoming to the game. Kicker already has all the advantages. I also think in that instance he broke the rules because you do have to have move forward.

OgtheDim
09-14-2021, 08:54 PM
Go back & watch the PK

Miami guy in the box before the kick is taken

That should have been called back

MightyDM
09-14-2021, 08:55 PM
TFC completely robbed. Referee and league should be embarrassed.

MightyDM
09-14-2021, 08:55 PM
Go back & watch the PK

Miami guy in the box before the kick is taken

That should have been called back

That’s what Bono was arguing about I guess

MightyDM
09-14-2021, 08:57 PM
He didn't fully stop during his run up. You have to actually completely stop forward momentum, he was barely moving but he was still moving.


Even with the red card this was a game we win like 99 out of 100 times, this season is just cursed. It's comical how we lose ourselves games.

For me he went straight up in the air. That’s stopping forward momentum.

Doesn’t matter. They need to fix the rule. And referee the other rules properly.

OgtheDim
09-14-2021, 08:57 PM
Get lost man that's bullshit going after other pissed off fans. This is our place to vent.


The team played well

If your first though 3 minutes after that game is "We must fire guys" .....ok I get it, you want to vent.

But, man, the team played well for once and going there RIGHT away to me is agenda stuff.

I get people want people fired.

But...the team played well.

MightyDM
09-14-2021, 08:58 PM
Mavinga is so brutally one-footed, nuts to go in with your left foot there, plus he didn't need to slide so close to the touch line anyway.

Fuckity fuck fuck, absolutely robbed. TFC played much better than expected. Right mentality tonight. Still needs more finish. Shaffelcastle has really improved, some great passes and ball control, plus putting in a shift on defense.

Don’t forget to mention his goal…

wopchop
09-14-2021, 08:59 PM
For me he went straight up in the air. That’s stopping forward momentum.

Doesn’t matter. They need to fix the rule. And referee the other rules properly.
yes agreed.
It seems like it isn't technically breaking the rule but it certainly is against the spirit of the rule.
The kicker does not need any more advantage

Bushmancan
09-14-2021, 09:01 PM
Some random thoughts…we have to lose so MLSE has no choice but to fire Curtis and Manning. The stadium empty looks so sad. Solteldo looked better up front today but i have to believe he will want out. The best thing about the non-Goal is that i am sure someone in the stands will have filmed it… if anyone finds a good shot post it here for posterity. MLS officiating is just horrendous.

MightyDM
09-14-2021, 09:04 PM
We played excellent football tonight. Every single man out there, and should have won 1-0. They count the goal - which clearly went in, it’s a different five minutes and no need for Mavinga to make that play EVEN if it happened. Also, it’s telling indeed that the substitute for Lawrence was MB. Great to see Perez lose his shit too

SirBobSaget
09-14-2021, 09:04 PM
The team played well

If your first though 3 minutes after that game is "We must fire guys" .....ok I get it, you want to vent.

But, man, the team played well for once and going there RIGHT away to me is agenda stuff.

I get people want people fired.

But...the team played well.

Playing well for you is losing at home to Inter Miami in front of 4,000 fans? I don't post in game any more because I barely care anymore. This is the problem no one cares anymore. That's what pisses me off more than losing another game that this team is not relevant and the board is not doing anything about it.

OgtheDim
09-14-2021, 09:05 PM
For me he went straight up in the air. That’s stopping forward momentum.

Doesn’t matter. They need to fix the rule. And referee the other rules properly.


I looked at it again on replay & he was moving forward while going up so that's not the issue but yeh, jumping up like that to me is a feint & has to be stopped.

But the encroachment - for VAR to not look at that after being unable to call a ball over the line - that is just absurd.

Kamp Berg
09-14-2021, 09:11 PM
I looked at it again on replay & he was moving forward while going up so that's not the issue but yeh, jumping up like that to me is a feint & has to be stopped.

But the encroachment - for VAR to not look at that after being unable to call a ball over the line - that is just absurd.

The PRO’s lack of shame, knows no bounds.

jloome
09-14-2021, 09:14 PM
Jesus Christ, they're already reinventing reality. Michael Singh's story on mlssoccer.com has the goalie diving back "just in time" to stop the goal.

Just utter bullshit.

wopchop
09-14-2021, 09:15 PM
https://twitter.com/TorontoFC/status/1437953901295194113

Bushmancan
09-14-2021, 09:21 PM
Nice work guys, why i enjoy the board so much.

Gringo Starr
09-14-2021, 09:34 PM
feel bad for the guys tonight, that was the best effort put forward all year. The team looks better without Poz and yefe just looking for each other for 90 minutes. Hope they can replicate this next game.

wopchop
09-14-2021, 09:40 PM
https://twitter.com/JLunduski/status/1437964293899755527




https://twitter.com/Eric_Giacometti/status/1437962543457263622




https://twitter.com/TorontoFC/status/1437951438789824512

barticusz
09-14-2021, 09:56 PM
This season is dreadful. It’s really sad to see no one show up to the game either. How many were there tonight, 1-2,000? Yikes.

I didn’t watch the game but it was yet another one where I checked the highlights and didn’t even get a sniff of Soteldo. This guy is turning into a complete bust. If you’re getting paid too dollar you better back it up.

what’s the over under for attendance the rest of this year?

jloome
09-14-2021, 10:08 PM
This season is dreadful. It’s really sad to see no one show up to the game either. How many were there tonight, 1-2,000? Yikes.

I didn’t watch the game but it was yet another one where I checked the highlights and didn’t even get a sniff of Soteldo. This guy is turning into a complete bust. If you’re getting paid too dollar you better back it up.

what’s the over under for attendance the rest of this year?

Nah, dude, not the night. They played well, deserved the win. He created plenty of problems for them, as did Shaffelburg and Laryea. We were just fucking hosed by two bad calls.

MikeForbes
09-14-2021, 10:32 PM
The pen definitely should of been called back. The Shaffelburg goal should of counted but that can be blamed on MLS not investing in goal line technology. I just can't get invested enough to go crazy though.

MightyDM
09-14-2021, 11:01 PM
This season is dreadful. It’s really sad to see no one show up to the game either. How many were there tonight, 1-2,000? Yikes.

I didn’t watch the game but it was yet another one where I checked the highlights and didn’t even get a sniff of Soteldo. This guy is turning into a complete bust. If you’re getting paid too dollar you better back it up.

what’s the over under for attendance the rest of this year?

Soteldo played very well, and you missed a terrific game. TFC were excellent and actually won. ( Although Miami might be able to tie on the penalty retake when it is retaken). Look at the stats - we edged the game with ten men. Superb. All for one.

MightyDM
09-14-2021, 11:03 PM
Playing well for you is losing at home to Inter Miami in front of 4,000 fans? I don't post in game any more because I barely care anymore. This is the problem no one cares anymore. That's what pisses me off more than losing another game that this team is not relevant and the board is not doing anything about it.

They were brilliant tonight with ten men - dominant. if you cant enjoy that kind of display of guts and skill, too bad because thats what makes soccer great.

Hala Hrvatska
09-15-2021, 05:54 AM
Jesus Christ, they're already reinventing reality. Michael Singh's story on mlssoccer.com has the goalie diving back "just in time" to stop the goal.

Just utter bullshit.


Singh is just looking for a paycheque, of course he'll tow the MLS party line and quickly defend them...he has no shame...lmao.

He's not as bad as Nesker though who puts his head in the sand and sees nutink as tfc burns and crashes to the ground...and he coddles the little altidore fan boys to no end...lol

Hala Hrvatska
09-15-2021, 05:57 AM
What is that the third red we've got this year? Another idiotic one at that as we are caught sleeping at the back yet again with a simple through ball right down the middle....

And Miami didn't even bother bringing Higuain along for the trip. If he played we would have lost alot earlier.

What was the attendance last night? Looked really low and is a sad reflection of how badly we have fallen...no sugar coating by mlse if they bothered to watch that....the fans are speaking with their wallets....and have had enough.

Manning and Curtis have to go this morning, enough is enough.

OgtheDim
09-15-2021, 06:07 AM
Singh is just looking for a paycheque, of course he'll tow the MLS party line and quickly defend them...he has no shame...lmao.

He's not as bad as Nesker though who puts his head in the sand and sees nutink as tfc burns and crashes to the ground...and he coddles the little altidore fan boys to no end...lol


This...is not the reality of any discussion Singh & Nesker have had about TFC in the last 3 months.

MightyDM
09-15-2021, 06:41 AM
Have woken up, had coffee, read the paper etc etc and remain shocked at the non goal and the penalty encroachment. The referee was in excellent position on both.

Second big thing last night - we had a CB sent off and he was not replaced by a CB. Incredible statement by Perez.

Hala Hrvatska
09-15-2021, 06:48 AM
This...is not the reality of any discussion Singh & Nesker have had about TFC in the last 3 months.

Is that you JN?

Hala Hrvatska
09-15-2021, 06:54 AM
Have woken up, had coffee, read the paper etc etc and remain shocked at the non goal and the penalty encroachment. The referee was in excellent position on both.

Second big thing last night - we had a CB sent off and he was not replaced by a CB. Incredible statement by Perez.

Penalty was encroachment for sure, but they'd get to just retake it anyways and even if he missed, it was yet another game at home we didn't win. I think I read now we haven't won a home game in something like 600 days. So much for all the bs Curtis and Bradley and co spewed about how when we get home we'd win....

What the hell was Mavinga doing on the penalty? Such a bone headed and undisciplined play...the angle was cut off, no danger and he decides to take down the forward...there was no choice but to give a penalty and game over. Bradley got exposed though on the pass in and ball watched with a few others the one-two...Bradley is just too slow to do anything anymore.

PS Poz out didn't help...and Altidore can't even be bothered to at least watch from the stands while he collects his $5M per year.

PSS Lawrence, what an idiotic play as well to get the red....he's been a complete waste of money as well and another red bull retread like curtis.

Areathrasher
09-15-2021, 06:57 AM
Penalty was encroachment for sure, but they'd get to just retake it anyways and even if he missed, it was yet another game at home we didn't win. I think I read now we haven't won a home game in something like 600 days. So much for all the bs Curtis and Bradley and co spewed about how when we get home we'd win....

What the hell was Mavinga doing on the penalty? Such a bone headed and undisciplined play...the angle was cut off, no danger and he decides to take down the forward...there was no choice but to give a penalty and game over. Bradley got exposed though on the pass in and ball watched with a few others the one-two...Bradley is just too slow to do anything anymore.

PS Poz out didn't help...and Altidore can't even be bothered to at least watch from the stands while he collects his $5M per year.

PSS Lawrence, what an idiotic play as well to get the red....he's been a complete waste of money as well and another red bull retread like curtis.

Jozy was there last night

Smokecell
09-15-2021, 07:33 AM
Well that was an interesting night at BMO to say the least. Not sure how TFC ends up without a goal but that's MLS for you...

Just wanted to recognize the dude who stepped up to be the capo in 112. I hope some free pints find you at the next match. Good on you for making the most out of a meager situation and bringing together the very few who showed up in 112.

Canary10
09-15-2021, 08:15 AM
That was one of the most egregious goal calls I've ever seen. The ball was in by a couple of feet. Really pisses me off. Hope they don't lay off the league and reffing for that. What is the point of VAR if it can't get the obvious misses, on a goal no less?!! Instead we're debating millimeters on offside calls. Brutal.

MightyDM
09-15-2021, 08:45 AM
That was one of the most egregious goal calls I've ever seen. The ball was in by a couple of feet. Really pisses me off. Hope they don't lay off the league and reffing for that. What is the point of VAR if it can't get the obvious misses, on a goal no less?!! Instead we're debating millimeters on offside calls. Brutal.

This isnt just a VAR issue but a referring issue. What is the point of having a referee looking right at the play if he cannot make the call? On both calls! How on earth could he miss the goal? It was clear live too. Simply no excuse - and i wonder if part of this isnt VAR casuing referees to not actually referee.

Canary10
09-15-2021, 09:05 AM
This isnt just a VAR issue but a referring issue. What is the point of having a referee looking right at the play if he cannot make the call? On both calls! How on earth could he miss the goal? It was clear live too. Simply no excuse - and i wonder if part of this isnt VAR casuing referees to not actually referee.

Yeah it was all just plain bad.

Could have been a 6 point swing in the playoff races too. I'd be pissed if I was one of those teams on the bubble.

reggie
09-15-2021, 09:39 AM
the league has gotten better,the refs have gotten worse,the donkeys they parade out there on a weekly basis is a joke.
i iddnt know miami was part of concacaf,because we got concacafed last night,

ag futbol
09-15-2021, 09:40 AM
That was one of the most egregious goal calls I've ever seen. The ball was in by a couple of feet. Really pisses me off. Hope they don't lay off the league and reffing for that. What is the point of VAR if it can't get the obvious misses, on a goal no less?!! Instead we're debating millimeters on offside calls. Brutal.
Totally agree.

Ironically, a couple of weeks ago I was watching a college football game and basically the same thing happened. Called touchdown on the field but when you looked at the replays you had every hint to suggest the player was down at the 2 yard line but there was no 100% clear camera angle. Well, the officials in that case actually used common sense and said when you pieced all the evidence together it was clear the call on the field has to change.

MLS officials are a bunch of pointy-headed idiots who know the rules for everything but get the subtleties of actually doing the job entirely wrong. Shit like this, persistent infringement, and a whole host of other things our officials consistently screw up, because we employ a bunch of guys who live in their own heads and don’t see what is happening right in front of them or anticipate the play.

Richard
09-15-2021, 10:10 AM
https://twitter.com/JLunduski/status/1437964293899755527




https://twitter.com/Eric_Giacometti/status/1437962543457263622




https://twitter.com/TorontoFC/status/1437951438789824512



A league run by donkeys.

This message board is the only reason I even slightly care about TFC anymore.

Canary10
09-15-2021, 10:33 AM
A league run by donkeys.

This message board is the only reason I even slightly care about TFC anymore.

Unbelievable. The second one especially. It's a foot over the line.

reggie
09-15-2021, 10:37 AM
i think this is a tfc supporters board,not a bandwagon board,yes its a shit season,one game away from SS last season 3 of 4 years in the finals,time for a rebuild and im looking forward to it,#curtisout

Ultra & Proud
09-15-2021, 11:44 AM
They should just put Curtis in charge of PRO. That's his level.

And theirs.

Auzzy
09-15-2021, 12:01 PM
They should just put Curtis in charge of PRO. That's his level.

And theirs.

VAR calls will get decided "within two weeks" :D :D :D

Auzzy
09-15-2021, 12:06 PM
Soteldo played very well, and you missed a terrific game. TFC were excellent and actually won. ( Although Miami might be able to tie on the penalty retake when it is retaken). Look at the stats - we edged the game with ten men. Superb. All for one.

I agree! Plus as you said earlier, the dynamic of the game totally changes if the Shaffelburg goal had counted as it should. And that must have been demoralizing. TFC were controlling large parts of the game. Up a goal the games is different, you don't have to push forward as much, you don't leave your defence exposed etc (and you're more likely to get another goal for TFC on a counter).

Yeah the season still sucks, management and team still needs an overhaul. But the mentality and effort was totally different last night. I hope they remember that and build on it, so we can more honestly assess their abilities.

Canary10
09-15-2021, 12:26 PM
I agree! Plus as you said earlier, the dynamic of the game totally changes if the Shaffelburg goal had counted as it should. And that must have been demoralizing. TFC were controlling large parts of the game. Up a goal the games is different, you don't have to push forward as much, you don't leave your defence exposed etc (and you're more likely to get another goal for TFC on a counter).

Yeah the season still sucks, management and team still needs an overhaul. But the mentality and effort was totally different last night. I hope they remember that and build on it, so we can more honestly assess their abilities.

That was a nice little back heel to Laryea from Soteldo. If Laryea hit it first time it was a goal.

OgtheDim
09-15-2021, 02:19 PM
Soteldo was more direct last night.

ag futbol
09-15-2021, 02:26 PM
Let’s give a shout-out to Shaffelburg for last night. That was a starter-quality performance and one that should raise his spot on the depth chart.

We need to find him more time on the field.

jloome
09-15-2021, 03:30 PM
Let’s give a shout-out to Shaffelburg for last night. That was a starter-quality performance and one that should raise his spot on the depth chart.

We need to find him more time on the field.
Until last night I thought the flashes of excellence he showed last year were just that as he was all speed, no end product. Last night he really looked the business, in the same way Osorio stepped up a gear a few years back.

He was really, really dangerous all night.

ag futbol
09-15-2021, 03:42 PM
Until last night I thought the flashes of excellence he showed last year were just that as he was all speed, no end product. Last night he really looked the business, in the same way Osorio stepped up a gear a few years back.

He was really, really dangerous all night.
He looks a little more cultured now in his movements and doesn’t just run in a straight line towards the fullback. Always thought his service was decent but his sense of when to play that ball in behind is sometimes mechanical as opposed to called for based on the runners in the box.

I would say he’s somewhere in between Priso and Okello in terms of game readiness.

Kamp Berg
09-15-2021, 04:29 PM
I can’t help but wonder if the change in attitude and work rate had something to do with benching Gonzalez, regardless of who was available. It would be pretty hard as a teammate to watch him fuck up constantly and then hear him blaming everyone else in the press. Mavinga was much more like his old self last night. I can’t image it’s easy being the only decent cb on a team full of shit ones that have no business on the field anymore(or ever) at this level.

Richard
09-15-2021, 04:43 PM
Unbelievable. The second one especially. It's a foot over the line.

I was under the impression that MLS had goal line technology. I'm sorry, did I forget that we're in 2021?

If that happened in any top league in Europe you would have a full blown riot, a decision like that can literally cost a club 100's of millions in a league like the EPL.

It's criminal.

spe18
09-15-2021, 06:08 PM
I was under the impression that MLS had goal line technology. I'm sorry, did I forget that we're in 2021?

If that happened in any top league in Europe you would have a full blown riot, a decision like that can literally cost a club 100's of millions in a league like the EPL.

It's criminal.

Infact, there's very few leagues that actually use goal line technology.

And even when it's used, it still doesn't always award a goal as intended.

"The system came under scrutiny in June 2020 after a Premier League (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Premier_League) match between Aston Villa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aston_Villa_F.C.) and Sheffield United (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheffield_United_F.C.) as the technology failed to award a goal for Sheffield United despite the fact that Aston Villa goalkeeper Ørjan Nyland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%98rjan_Nyland) had carried the ball over the goal line after mishandling a free kick from Sheffield United's Oliver Norwood (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Norwood) by colliding with teammate Keinan Davis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keinan_Davis).[67] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goal-line_technology#cite_note-67) As no goal was signalled, the match officials decided not to let VAR intervene.[68] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goal-line_technology#cite_note-68)Hawk-Eye (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawk-Eye) apologised, explaining the failure as due to an anomalous amount of occlusion of its cameras' view of the incident."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goal-line_technology

MightyDM
09-15-2021, 06:44 PM
They should just put Curtis in charge of PRO. That's his level.

And theirs.


hahahahahahaha. Brilliant, sir.

613reppingTFC
09-16-2021, 08:14 AM
Infact, there's very few leagues that actually use goal line technology.

And even when it's used, it still doesn't always award a goal as intended.

"The system came under scrutiny in June 2020 after a Premier League (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Premier_League) match between Aston Villa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aston_Villa_F.C.) and Sheffield United (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheffield_United_F.C.) as the technology failed to award a goal for Sheffield United despite the fact that Aston Villa goalkeeper Ørjan Nyland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%98rjan_Nyland) had carried the ball over the goal line after mishandling a free kick from Sheffield United's Oliver Norwood (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Norwood) by colliding with teammate Keinan Davis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keinan_Davis).[67] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goal-line_technology#cite_note-67) As no goal was signalled, the match officials decided not to let VAR intervene.[68] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goal-line_technology#cite_note-68)Hawk-Eye (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawk-Eye) apologised, explaining the failure as due to an anomalous amount of occlusion of its cameras' view of the incident."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goal-line_technology

Didn't the same thing happen with Ronaldo's disallowed goal for Portugal vs Serbia this summer. It wasn't reviewed because there was no VAR in the game? or I assume goal line technology?

Bushmancan
09-16-2021, 08:25 PM
They should just put Curtis in charge of PRO. That's his level.

And theirs.

I genuinely believe that is why he will never criticize. It is his only landing place.

spe18
09-25-2021, 12:26 PM
Unbelievable. The second one especially. It's a foot over the line.

Alright! So PRO has now released it's Inside Video Review feature for weeks 25& 26, which includes the Miami match.

The call in question starts at the 7:55 mark of the clip.

You will note one of the VAR officials determine they cannot recommend a review, as there is no conclusive evidence (camera angle) showing the ball had fully crossed the line.

So there you have it :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CinDSs-PaWQ

jloome
09-25-2021, 12:45 PM
Alright! So PRO has now released it's Inside Video Review feature for weeks 25& 26, which includes the Miami match.

The call in question starts at the 7:55 mark of the clip.

You will note one of the VAR officials determine they cannot recommend a review, as there is no conclusive evidence (camera angle) showing the ball had fully crossed the line.

So there you have it :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CinDSs-PaWQ

Given that the body hiding the ball is already a foot inside the goal, the laws of physics make a mockery of that ruling, as Charlie Davies pointed out on MLSsoccer.com. That's conclusive. Conclusive is not synonymous with "perfectly visible."

The obstruction to viewing the ball is already in a position where it is impossible for it to be anything BUT in the goal, as you can see grass between the goal line and said body.

I mean, they can spin the letter of the law to say "we couldn't" but they have discretion to use common sense and didn't.

ag futbol
09-25-2021, 01:00 PM
Given that the body hiding the ball is already a foot inside the goal, the laws of physics make a mockery of that ruling, as Charlie Davies pointed out on MLSsoccer.com. That's conclusive. Conclusive is not synonymous with "perfectly visible."

The obstruction to viewing the ball is already in a position where it is impossible for it to be anything BUT in the goal, as you can see grass between the goal line and said body.

I mean, they can spin the letter of the law to say "we couldn't" but they have discretion to use common sense and didn't.
Let’s hope none of these idiots ever end up on jury duty. “Oh sure we can see him leave the house with a red substance on his hands but without a better camera angle of the incident we can only accept the defendants explanation it was just spaghetti sauce”

Bushmancan
09-25-2021, 02:20 PM
Alright! So PRO has now released it's Inside Video Review feature for weeks 25& 26, which includes the Miami match.

The call in question starts at the 7:55 mark of the clip.

You will note one of the VAR officials determine they cannot recommend a review, as there is no conclusive evidence (camera angle) showing the ball had fully crossed the line.

So there you have it :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CinDSs-PaWQ

But PRO is missing the bigger issue, if the ref had been watching the play closely. He would have called it a goal, it was obvious to anyone paying attention. It is shambolic than no one on the field called it a goal right away. VAR then would only be needed to overturn a good goal. The goal was as clear as the penalty encroachment oh the same REF missed that as well..

rydermike
09-25-2021, 05:15 PM
That should be the type of play that gets goal line technology installed for next season. Imagine if we were better and missed the playoffs by a point. Can't have that. I actually don't have an issue with how VAR handled it. Can kind of tell the guy knows it's past the line, but he can't prove it 100% since only one angle has a view of the ball but there's a possibility that part of it is still above the line (even though you see some green, the side part of the ball that doesn't touch the ground still counts and can't fully determine if that's fully past based on a front angle)