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OgtheDim
09-06-2021, 09:42 PM
Just for one day


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpEZwhcaf5k



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Have at It People












(Starting time as per TFC site when posted)

PizzaEatingYeti
09-07-2021, 04:35 AM
We can beat them!

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We will beat them?
Who knows?

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:scarf:
:drinking:

Gringo Starr
09-07-2021, 07:35 AM
Oh man I want to believe, I really do but I'm not sure I can get there.

Kamp Berg
09-07-2021, 09:09 AM
If there is any team TFC can beat, it’s Cincinnati. That said, they beat us 2-0 last time, while we made them look like a good team, not exactly inspiring.

OgtheDim
09-09-2021, 05:56 AM
Based on WCQ hours played over the last week, I doubt Laryea travels or plays - Zavs might be on the bench. Osorio could start.

MightyDM
09-09-2021, 06:43 AM
Agreed. He worked incredibly hard last night and that’s 270 minutes in three days. Oso was on his game yesterday and hopefully that bodes well for us. Don’t know how much Kemar Lawrence played for Jamaica either - might be an issue.

Ultra & Proud
09-09-2021, 08:29 AM
At this point I would rather see more young guys in there so I really don't care who does or doesn't play.

OgtheDim
09-10-2021, 01:33 PM
Oh dear....

https://twitter.com/ThePrideCincy/status/1436387077449465858

Kamp Berg
09-10-2021, 01:37 PM
At this point I would rather see more young guys in there so I really don't care who does or doesn't play.

Laryea, Lawrence, Soltedo, and Zavaleta played almost every minute while away. Might as well give more minutes to fringe players now anyway.

MikeForbes
09-10-2021, 05:26 PM
Oh dear....

https://twitter.com/ThePrideCincy/status/1436387077449465858

Ted Lasso fever has officially jumped the shark.

PizzaEatingYeti
09-11-2021, 11:23 AM
MATCH DAY!

:flare::drum::canada: :flare::drum::canada: :flare::drum::canada:



Just saying...
Because the silence here is deafening.

MikeForbes
09-11-2021, 03:19 PM
Not much to talk about these days. Still would be nice to see the guys pick up an actual definitive win tonight though.

OgtheDim
09-11-2021, 03:54 PM
I'm in general just so lacking in energy



Team flew out last night - tad surprised to be honest as Ohio isn't exactly lacking in covid


https://twitter.com/SportsAviation/status/1436448669541281793



Dog thoughts on all this...unchanged

https://twitter.com/OgtheDim/status/1429615426456236033

OgtheDim
09-11-2021, 04:07 PM
Sad that these threads tend to go downhill after the picture of my dog....

Kamp Berg
09-11-2021, 04:33 PM
Sad that these threads tend to go downhill after the picture of my dog....

Very true, it’s been the only highlight lately!

MikeForbes
09-11-2021, 06:13 PM
Sad that these threads tend to go downhill after the picture of my dog....

It is such a good boy/girl though. Give it a scratch behind the ears and a bone to enjoy during the game.

OgtheDim
09-11-2021, 06:26 PM
Done


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Poz injured it seems - I've just gone numb by now

Mullins Dwyer & Achara will be interesting to see if they can work together against a pretty cruddy defence

Kamp Berg
09-11-2021, 06:28 PM
The front four are pretty bad, even for MLS.

OgtheDim
09-11-2021, 06:31 PM
FWIW, Okello & Singh are starting for TFCII - Singh is partnering with Dunn.

MikeForbes
09-11-2021, 06:32 PM
Kind of a shithouse lineup. Gonna watch and enjoy Mullinho and Dwyer kicking everyone in sight.

OgtheDim
09-11-2021, 06:42 PM
FWIW

https://twitter.com/NeilMDavidson/status/1436834309147701250

reggie
09-11-2021, 06:44 PM
3 nil loss

MikeForbes
09-11-2021, 06:52 PM
Pozuelo is giving off those vibes of a guy who is heading back to Spain in January.

OgtheDim
09-11-2021, 07:16 PM
Well at least we don't get Vic Rauter....

SoccMan2
09-11-2021, 07:19 PM
Sure he is I don’t feel like going to work today my twinkie hurts, go back to Spain already had enough of this shit!

Omar
09-11-2021, 07:20 PM
At this point, I'm just hoping that the team plays hard and tries their best. I'm also hoping for some first-team minutes for Jahkeele Marshall-Rutty and Shaffelburg.

It seems like the TFC II match isn't on YouTube, which sucks as I tend to enjoy watching them play.

Omar
09-11-2021, 07:22 PM
Ooh, on the bright side, at least we get David Gantar refereeing our match.

OgtheDim
09-11-2021, 07:22 PM
Hagglund as right back - havn't seen that since a certain night in Dallas

OgtheDim
09-11-2021, 07:25 PM
At this point, I'm just hoping that the team plays hard and tries their best. I'm also hoping for some first-team minutes for Jahkeele Marshall-Rutty and Shaffelburg.

It seems like the TFC II match isn't on YouTube, which sucks as I tend to enjoy watching them play.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSy9TZVRRRs

rydermike
09-11-2021, 07:25 PM
At this point, I'm just hoping that the team plays hard and tries their best. I'm also hoping for some first-team minutes for Jahkeele Marshall-Rutty and Shaffelburg.

It seems like the TFC II match isn't on YouTube, which sucks as I tend to enjoy watching them play.

https://youtu.be/sSy9TZVRRRs

jloome
09-11-2021, 07:27 PM
Perez trying to get a system working. It’s not exactly a complex one, but maybe that’s what we need.

rocktml
09-11-2021, 07:31 PM
Do we have to play these games?? Or can we just forfeit the rest of the season.

OgtheDim
09-11-2021, 07:32 PM
These two teams are.....not good

rocktml
09-11-2021, 07:35 PM
Jesus Christ you can tell these two teams are dead last in the league

benito
09-11-2021, 07:37 PM
Jesus Christ you can tell these two teams are dead last in the league

wooden spoon cup

alex andrew
09-11-2021, 07:39 PM
it's been only a quarter of an hour

go tfc

Omar
09-11-2021, 07:39 PM
Thanks Og and Ryder. I was waiting for the stream link to appear on their channel, but I didn't see it for a long while.

OgtheDim
09-11-2021, 07:41 PM
Thanks Og and Ryder. I was waiting for the stream link to appear on their channel, but I didn't see it for a long while.


Twitter usually has it

MikeForbes
09-11-2021, 07:41 PM
Endoh was 100% going for goal there.

jloome
09-11-2021, 07:43 PM
You can almost feel the bookies lowering the payout on a zero- zero as the clock kicks down.

Thomas
09-11-2021, 07:44 PM
God this is boring

jloome
09-11-2021, 07:44 PM
Endoh was 100% going for goal there.

Yep. But he does make terrible decisions, so there is that.

Omar
09-11-2021, 07:46 PM
Twitter usually has it

That's right. I guess I got a bit impatient and didn't wait for TFC II to post their link.

jloome
09-11-2021, 07:50 PM
I think Gantar is letting all the shoving go because he’s worried about fans dying of boredom.

jloome
09-11-2021, 07:52 PM
The Federal Communications Commission has never felt so much love.

jloome
09-11-2021, 07:53 PM
Oh, get up Dom. Fuck Dwyer is less than useless.

Omar
09-11-2021, 07:53 PM
Given Cincinnati's personnel, I'm surprised at how poor they've been against us. I can see us struggling, but their team shouldn't be this bad. Jaap Stam's team should be playing much better than this.

alex andrew
09-11-2021, 07:54 PM
sometimes ( very rare though ) boring games end up very spectacular as far as i remember

OgtheDim
09-11-2021, 07:55 PM
I wonder if Stam is stupid enough to let Soteldo go at Hagglund if Soteldo comes on.

MikeForbes
09-11-2021, 07:55 PM
Griffin Dorsey scoring is the most hilarious thing that has happened this year in MLS.

Thomas
09-11-2021, 07:55 PM
Many used to complain about Auro, but he seems like one of the better players right now

Auzzy
09-11-2021, 07:56 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen, we had a shot on net!!

I liked the way one Cincinnati player set a pick on his teammate as Achara ran past. If you can't offer good footy, at least provide some comedy!

MikeForbes
09-11-2021, 07:56 PM
God, I am so ready for the offseason.

Thomas
09-11-2021, 07:57 PM
Yes sir

God, I am so ready for the offseason.

jloome
09-11-2021, 07:58 PM
Gantar just asked the Cincy player “who am I ?”

Yep knew that card was imminent

OgtheDim
09-11-2021, 07:59 PM
God, I am so ready for the offseason.


My hope is that almost all of these guys are gone at the end of this season. I think out of all this group on the pitch, I'd only keep Westberg & Moulinho & Auro.

MikeForbes
09-11-2021, 08:00 PM
A wild bust appears.

OgtheDim
09-11-2021, 08:01 PM
LOL


The stats bit on the TSN live app shows the goals before they go in



Mavinga...yeh, not anymore thank you

rydermike
09-11-2021, 08:01 PM
My hope is that almost all of these guys are gone at the end of this season. I think out of all this group on the pitch, I'd only keep Westberg & Moulinho & Auro.
I'd keep Achara too

rocktml
09-11-2021, 08:01 PM
Lol oh man this team is garbage. Either you laugh or cry

benito
09-11-2021, 08:02 PM
Mavinga fell asleep there

Thomas
09-11-2021, 08:02 PM
I would tend to agree. Westberg will be a back up soon, so we need to start looking for a number 1 for future years.

rydermike
09-11-2021, 08:03 PM
In other news, Jay's just tied Yankees for the final playoff spot and are playing on Sportsnet now

Auzzy
09-11-2021, 08:03 PM
Wow Mavinga. And before that Endoh and Co. leaving them all the time in the world to put in a cross.

This might be the first game in the history of TFC that I don't watch to the end. I have some work to do that I really hate to do, but it's likely less painful than this game.

OgtheDim
09-11-2021, 08:04 PM
I'd keep Achara too


He's been very very poor the last month.

SoccMan2
09-11-2021, 08:04 PM
There it is another Center Back screw up every player on that field including Manning and his useless side kick need to go !

MikeForbes
09-11-2021, 08:05 PM
Mavinga has been dreadful this year. He deserves all the criticism that Omar also gets. Gotta build from the back this offseason. Two new CBs need to be a priority.

jloome
09-11-2021, 08:05 PM
So many poor passing decisions. Just horrendous.

No energy, no passion. Endoh unable to cross the ball, Mavinga somehow getting our only looks.

The only non embarrassments have been Q, Bradley and Auro. Omar, I guess, although he’s had nothing to do.

Might as well have been playing without forwards.

Stick Soteldo and JMR upfront I the second half, might as well. Need SOME creativity to score, surely.

MikeForbes
09-11-2021, 08:06 PM
When Bob Bradley is our coach next year, will be be able to bench his son?

Thomas
09-11-2021, 08:07 PM
To your point…it’s the first time in over 10 years where I am starting to loose interest. I was out of town recently, and missed the game. I Hardly noticed. Sad.


Wow Mavinga. And before that Endoh and Co. leaving them all the time in the world to put in a cross.

This might be the first game in the history of TFC that I don't watch to the end. I have some work to do that I really hate to do, but it's likely less painful than this game.

alex andrew
09-11-2021, 08:09 PM
feel sorry for players and organisation

Omar
09-11-2021, 08:10 PM
We all expected this performance to be poor no matter what. This team really has nothing to play for, and the season's basically over for them. The only thing that TFC can really go for is the Canadian Championship. I'd expect the team to be more motivated in those matches.

Thomas
09-11-2021, 08:11 PM
Yes and for fans too!


feel sorry for players and organisation

Auzzy
09-11-2021, 08:13 PM
So many poor passing decisions. Just horrendous.

No energy, no passion. Endoh unable to cross the ball, Mavinga somehow getting our only looks.

The only non embarrassments have been Q, Bradley and Auro. Omar, I guess, although he’s had nothing to do.

Might as well have been playing without forwards.

Stick Soteldo and JMR upfront I the second half, might as well. Need SOME creativity to score, surely.

Sorry I haven't been impressed with Bradley either. A couple of years ago, this might have been the kind of game where he takes charge and wills the team forward to better play. He just doesn't have it anymore.

I think Achara could be pretty decent in a good environment with good coaching and some more time to mature. On TFC nobody seems to be working together.

Kamp Berg
09-11-2021, 08:19 PM
Did Curtis even see Dwyer play before he signed him? For 2 years?!

OgtheDim
09-11-2021, 08:22 PM
Did Curtis even see Dwyer play before he signed him? For 2 years?!


Dwyer is on a 1 & 1

If he is back, I will be shocked

MightyDM
09-11-2021, 08:24 PM
i'm not going to get on the players. We aren't very good, and management hasn't made it better, they have made it worse - from not planning properly for Seba and VV;s departure to spending millions on Soteldo when he was a luxury for a team that couldn't afford it.

Kamp Berg
09-11-2021, 08:25 PM
Dwyer is on a 1 & 1

If he is back, I will be shocked

That’s a relief, I read somewhere online it was for 2 years, I’m glad it’s wrong.

Auzzy
09-11-2021, 08:25 PM
Did Curtis even see Dwyer play before he signed him? For 2 years?!

That has gotta be one of the worst moves by Curtis, considering some of the decent backup strikers other MLS teams find. We don't know yet what Dwyer is making.

Good to hear that Dwyer can likely be dumped after the season. A fair number of the other guys are under contract though. It's not as easy as "dump everyone."

No changes at half by Perez, give me a fucking break!

jloome
09-11-2021, 08:26 PM
Poor choices by Perez today. Should’ve subbed out Dwyer and Mullins, should’ve pressed high as FCC can’t control the ball well.

Soccerpro
09-11-2021, 08:26 PM
No Canadians in the starting lineup. No kids in the starting 11 at the end of a lost season. Dwyer and Mullins still sitting on 0 goals together. Put JMR in already.

Next year: Dump Jozy, get new CBs, why did we pay 600k for Kemar Lawrence? I could live without him, Marky can go, the American deadwood up top can go and decide if Soteldo has the end product that justifies a DP spot. TAM player somehow? Get rid of him already. And fire Ali Curtis.

Thomas
09-11-2021, 08:27 PM
Gonzo should be gonzo

OgtheDim
09-11-2021, 08:29 PM
There's some validity in this tweet

https://twitter.com/MichaelSingh94/status/1436860648344936455


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The Bailey is singing "Give us a goal tonight" - that's a new one

MikeForbes
09-11-2021, 08:30 PM
Has JMR done anything of note at TFC II or is he another product of the fan blog?

alex andrew
09-11-2021, 08:31 PM
Yes and for fans too!

yyes ( must be at least four characters ! )

Thomas
09-11-2021, 08:31 PM
Good question. I would play the pieces that would give me the best chance of a victory.

Soccerpro
09-11-2021, 08:32 PM
Has JMR done anything of note at TFC II or is he another product of the fan blog?

What have Mullins or Dwyer done of note at TFC this year? I'd rather give a chance to someone who hasn't blown all their opportunities this year.

jloome
09-11-2021, 08:34 PM
Has JMR done anything of note at TFC II or is he another product of the fan blog?

He’s done fuck all

All the hype is from senior players training with him in preseason, and that drew a bunch of scouts.

No indication he’s any more than technique at this point.

OgtheDim
09-11-2021, 08:35 PM
Good question. I would play the pieces that would give me the best chance of a victory.


When the best chance is about a 10% chance, better to play the guys who might be there in the next few years.

alex andrew
09-11-2021, 08:35 PM
both teams look embarrassed, none is in the mood for anything

OgtheDim
09-11-2021, 08:37 PM
He’s done fuck all

All the hype is from senior players training with him in preseason, and that drew a bunch of scouts.

No indication he’s any more than technique at this point.

Wheras Dwyer & Achara & Moulinho tonight are...........


Time to put him on & ACTUALLY see

Thomas
09-11-2021, 08:37 PM
the original question is what would an interim coach do. That is the key point.


When the best chance is about a 10% chance, better to play the guys who might be there in the next few years.

MikeForbes
09-11-2021, 08:38 PM
This is stupid. I'm gonna go be a homeless drug addict or something.

alex andrew
09-11-2021, 08:38 PM
laurel and hardy

jloome
09-11-2021, 08:38 PM
When the best chance is about a 10% chance, better to play the guys who might be there in the next few years.

Given how Curtis is doubtless scrambling to survive he may be interfering in selection, trying to find some value he can anchor to, like signing Mullins and Dwyer.

I mean, I know it’s idiotic, you know it’s idiotic, but…

Thomas
09-11-2021, 08:39 PM
This is so fucking embarrassing for TFC

MikeForbes
09-11-2021, 08:41 PM
No way Curtis and Perez are around next year. Also seriously doubt Manning is around either at this point. The rebuild is beginning.

benito
09-11-2021, 08:41 PM
Is this the worst TFC team in franchise history?

Auzzy
09-11-2021, 08:41 PM
Eff off Delgado and Bradley. Both jogging instead of closing down that shot. Delgado does a stupid ass jump, worse than doing nothing.

Also it's fun to call him Mullinho, but I don't understand what anyone sees in Mullins. He was mediocre when he arrived in Toronto, and it's been all downhill from there. He's making $250k, he and Dwyer should be the first ones out.

Thomas
09-11-2021, 08:43 PM
Agreed….his name is Mullins

Eff off Delgado and Bradley. Both jogging instead of closing down that shot. Delgado does a stupid ass jump, worse than doing nothing.

Also it's fun to call him Mullinho, but I don't understand what anyone sees in Mullins. He was mediocre when he arrived in Toronto, and it's been all downhill from there. He's making $250k, he and Dwyer should be the first ones out.

portu
09-11-2021, 08:43 PM
This has got to be worse than 2012. More heads need to roll.

OgtheDim
09-11-2021, 08:44 PM
This is the sort of result that can get a GM fired mid season.

Thomas
09-11-2021, 08:45 PM
You can fire everyone..,but someone has to rebuild the whole dammed thing

alex andrew
09-11-2021, 08:46 PM
on the other hand, i am glad i watched this game

it is history !!!

MikeForbes
09-11-2021, 08:47 PM
Blaming individual players is useless at this point. It is much deeper than one or two players. This team is no better if Dwyer/Mullinho are playing or if Altidore actually stays healthy.

ag futbol
09-11-2021, 08:47 PM
This is the sort of result that can get a GM fired mid season.
So, good result then. Let’s clear out all the rot

OgtheDim
09-11-2021, 08:48 PM
You can fire everyone..,but someone has to rebuild the whole dammed thing


Which is why if they have a GM in mind who isn't a coach they might consider firing Curtis now.

portu
09-11-2021, 08:53 PM
I seriously hope they aren’t waiting to find a coach. This search should have started ages ago.

Auzzy
09-11-2021, 08:53 PM
Blaming individual players is useless at this point. It is much deeper than one or two players. This team is no better if Dwyer/Mullinho are playing or if Altidore actually stays healthy.

Yes that's a good point. And regarding "dump everyone" there are a fair number of players on TFC that would be decent players on other MLS teams, with good coaching and management, a balanced squad, and a freaking clue on how to play together. Some of their salaries may be a problem though.

OgtheDim
09-11-2021, 08:54 PM
What...we are doing this all over again in 72 hours?!?!

Thomas
09-11-2021, 08:55 PM
We are doomed if our hopes are on Rutty

Auzzy
09-11-2021, 08:56 PM
I seriously hope they aren’t waiting to find a coach. This search should have started ages ago.

They better find a GM first. Don't look for a new coach until Curtis is gone. Otherwise Curtis will hire more garbage that the next GM has to deal with.

Thomas
09-11-2021, 08:57 PM
Agreed. Curtis forms much of the rot

MikeForbes
09-11-2021, 08:58 PM
Positive: Cincinnati's new stadium looks great.

Thomas
09-11-2021, 08:58 PM
Yeah, it looks good

OgtheDim
09-11-2021, 08:59 PM
So I don't get this


Loan Shaff to TFCII

They play the league leaders


instead though Shaff is on the bench for us playing the fellow dumpster types - BUT NOT PLAYING

Thomas
09-11-2021, 09:00 PM
Whats the deal with Deleon anti vaccer

jloome
09-11-2021, 09:01 PM
Why does every idiot on our team think they have a free step in the box? Hit the damn thing. It’s like Tsubasa not crossing immediately with two players rushing the net. What, he thinks he’s going to see a better option? Lord save us our players are arrogant.

jloome
09-11-2021, 09:03 PM
We’re going to lose to York I imagine

jloome
09-11-2021, 09:06 PM
Why is Deleon playing higher than JMR? Jesus H

OgtheDim
09-11-2021, 09:06 PM
We’re going to lose to York I imagine


I do not hope we do so

&

I would not be surprised one bit

alex andrew
09-11-2021, 09:07 PM
i think we would have done better if we played a better team

it was pride vs not-so-much-pride, and pride won

Auzzy
09-11-2021, 09:08 PM
That was almost a Neymar number of rolls by Soteldo.

MikeForbes
09-11-2021, 09:09 PM
Caldwell is so ready to criticize but never presents any ways to fix the problems.

jloome
09-11-2021, 09:09 PM
Why is Rutty playing fullback?!

OgtheDim
09-11-2021, 09:11 PM
Caldwell is so ready to criticize but never presents any ways to fix the problems.


His bit about "bringing back what used to be" sounded a lot like an audition tape.

I'm vaguely wondering if Caldwell might actually be helpful as a d line coach.

jloome
09-11-2021, 09:12 PM
Omar is just total shit

jloome
09-11-2021, 09:13 PM
His bit about "bringing back what used to be" sounded a lot like an audition tape.

I'm vaguely wondering if Caldwell might actually be helpful as a d line coach.

Well Herdman fired him, so who knows.

benito
09-11-2021, 09:15 PM
Fire everyone

Auzzy
09-11-2021, 09:16 PM
WTFC is back.

Good night!

OgtheDim
09-11-2021, 09:17 PM
Sad that these threads tend to go downhill after the picture of my dog....


Truth...:cryin:

mowe
09-11-2021, 09:18 PM
Need a top-to-bottom culture change in the offseason. These players are just playing out the string.

jloome
09-11-2021, 09:18 PM
Achara working hard but he’s not good enough yet to start in MLS.

Fucking dreadful performances.

Just can’t believe they care, there’s so little aegis, so little urgency. It’s embarrassing the badge.

Clean fucking house. Keep Jonny O, Ralph and Auro, everyone else should be worried about getting cut or traded .

Auzzy
09-11-2021, 09:39 PM
I have no idea why YouTube just gave me this video as one of my top recommendations, I've never seen it before, but it seems to fit.

:D :D :D

jrQpGeszrmA

benito
09-11-2021, 09:41 PM
I have no idea why YouTube just gave me this video as one of my top recommendations, I've never seen it before, but it seems to fit.

:D :D :D

jrQpGeszrmA

Seems appropriate!

Auzzy
09-11-2021, 09:43 PM
Oh wow, YouTube recommendations on a roll tonight!

l_-yT7PZP20

OgtheDim
09-11-2021, 09:46 PM
https://twitter.com/MLeach680News/status/1436878893001105410


Somebody really needs to step in & have them stop lying to us

benito
09-11-2021, 10:02 PM
I am glad I didn't purchase any tickets for the remaining games. Perhaps an empty stadium will prompt MLSE to make some changes.

The next time I will be at BMO will be for the CMNT.

notthesun
09-11-2021, 10:06 PM
They probably did though, in that they have nothing left.

This much losing is tough to shake off, even moreso when you are already ill-equipped for the season thanks to your GM's incompetence.

Prof
09-11-2021, 10:09 PM
In other news, Jay's just tied Yankees for the final playoff spot and are playing on Sportsnet now

Who cares. Would rather watch a shitty TFC team than torture myself watching baseball.

Voodooman
09-11-2021, 10:14 PM
...is there anyone worth it for the MLS Number 1 draft pick? Usually never is but who knows

gracos
09-11-2021, 10:43 PM
...is there anyone worth it for the MLS Number 1 draft pick? Usually never is but who knows

We dont even get the 1st pick overall, because of 2 new expansion teams entering next season, it will be 3rd best

jloome
09-11-2021, 11:39 PM
So many tiers of delusion in this quote from Dwyer, it's hard to know where to start:

“I would say it’s better to be lucky than good and I think luck is not on our side right now and sometimes when it rains, it pours and that seems to be the case for us right now,” Dwyer added.

“We need, of course, to put the responsibility on ourselves and veteran players like myself, we take responsibility to keep the group together and get back to work on Tuesday. I’ve been in this difficult position before. I’ve been with teams that have breezed into the playoffs and I’ve been with teams that have not made it into the playoffs and I would say this is a very, very talented group. We look around the locker room at each other and we see how much quality we have. We’re frustrated as well and it’s up to us to get things together and get us back on the right path and we’ll do everything we can to do that.”

PizzaEatingYeti
09-12-2021, 05:24 AM
https://twitter.com/MLeach680News/status/1436878893001105410


Somebody really needs to step in & have them stop lying to us

Really? Really? WTF? :facepalm:

If he really said that, I've lost any respect I ever had for this dude.
He's just a lame ass duck, like Curtis and Manning

PizzaEatingYeti
09-12-2021, 05:25 AM
Who cares. Would rather watch a shitty TFC team than torture myself watching baseball.

Same here!

MightyDM
09-12-2021, 06:53 AM
So many tiers of delusion in this quote from Dwyer, it's hard to know where to start:

“I would say it’s better to be lucky than good and I think luck is not on our side right now and sometimes when it rains, it pours and that seems to be the case for us right now,” Dwyer added.

“We need, of course, to put the responsibility on ourselves and veteran players like myself, we take responsibility to keep the group together and get back to work on Tuesday. I’ve been in this difficult position before. I’ve been with teams that have breezed into the playoffs and I’ve been with teams that have not made it into the playoffs and I would say this is a very, very talented group. We look around the locker room at each other and we see how much quality we have. We’re frustrated as well and it’s up to us to get things together and get us back on the right path and we’ll do everything we can to do that.”

It’s a group that WAS talented. Not IS.

In a losing team, everything goes wrong. But you also lose that magic of doing well from everyone just doing their own job really well. Some people try to do too much and others give up. The magic vanishes. I’ve been on winning teams and losing teams and know both feelings.

We have a bad team because our roster is constructed badly. The fact that we got off to a terrible start under Armas did not help but it isn’t just that, because we did get the new coach bounce. We are just bad. No defence. No scoring. A new DP that doesn’t address either issue. A luxury player in a team that needed to fix the basics, but didn’t. That makes a bad team.

PizzaEatingYeti
09-12-2021, 07:05 AM
It’s a group that WAS talented. Not IS.

In a losing team, everything goes wrong. But you also lose that magic of doing well from everyone just doing their own job really well. Some people try to do too much and others give up. The magic vanishes. I’ve been on winning teams and losing teams and know both feelings.

We have a bad team because our roster is constructed badly. The fact that we got off to a terrible start under Armas did not help but it isn’t just that, because we did get the new coach bounce. We are just bad. No defence. No scoring. A new DP that doesn’t address either issue. A luxury player in a team that needed to fix the basics, but didn’t. That makes a bad team.

Spot on!

OgtheDim
09-12-2021, 07:50 AM
Yeh, its been a cascading effect that started with our defence & has just spread all over the pitch. Caldwell hinted at this last night when he said people should be fighting for their jobs for next season, but are not. Only guy I have not seen lose focus is Westberg.

Manning strongly hinted at him looking at people in terms of are they staying in his interview this week when he talked about next season being time to move on from the team that was. Curtis can't say this because he's tied to the team being what it is this season - I would be shocked if he's not let go. Perez should be saying it but he seems to have gone down the rabbit hole of "these are my guys".

The group is unsalvageable & needs to be almost completely turned over.

MightyDM
09-12-2021, 08:04 AM
Yeh, its been a cascading effect that started with our defence & has just spread all over the pitch. Caldwell hinted at this last night when he said people should be fighting for their jobs for next season, but are not. Only guy I have not seen lose focus is Westberg.

Manning strongly hinted at him looking at people in terms of are they staying in his interview this week when he talked about next season being time to move on from the team that was. Curtis can't say this because he's tied to the team being what it is this season - I would be shocked if he's not let go. Perez should be saying it but he seems to have gone down the rabbit hole of "these are my guys".

The group is unsalvageable & needs to be almost completely turned over.

Perez seems to be protecting the players in public - no way to see what he is doing in private.

Unfortunately, it starts with MB. This was his team and he has been a massive servant - still is - but as the defining presence on a team that has gone sour, I think it’s time for him to retire.

One of the challenges in disassembling a roster when results are bad is that you don’t get value. Moving Marky, for example, would have got an elite CB from the right team. Not now. No value in DeLeon Dwyer etc even though DeLeon and Mullins are serviceable.

Going from the bottom this time won’t be easy. Who do you build around? And to add to the complications, it smells like Poz and Soteldo want to go. Cant blame them, really.

OgtheDim
09-12-2021, 08:27 AM
Going from the bottom this time won’t be easy. Who do you build around? And to add to the complications, it smells like Poz and Soteldo want to go. Cant blame them, really.


A lot of good points.

I just want to pick up on this last one.


Whoever the new coach is has to come in with a plan to use the best players on the team the best way they play - Vanney did that with Chicarito & it set the tone.

To me, Poz & Soteldo would be at their best with a number of young target man #9's to pass to & who will layoff around them. Akinola can be one -we need 2 more. Achara isn't it.

The other big need is a boss man CB - there are a heck of a lot more of those around in Europe & Argentina that would be cheaper then 1 mill a year.

Everything else builds from there.

Hala Hrvatska
09-12-2021, 08:43 AM
That was humiliating. Phuck do we suck. Imagine if we didn't have the highet payroll in all of the MLS? Would we be pointless right now?

Ultra & Proud
09-12-2021, 09:34 AM
That was humiliating. Phuck do we suck. Imagine if we didn't have the highet payroll in all of the MLS? Would we be pointless right now?

I still argue we'd be better. If we used all the kids I bet we'd at least win or draw a couple matches. At this rate we finish the season on 15 points.

Joe Kool
09-12-2021, 09:37 AM
So TFC FO already will have enough challenges during the pandemic getting tickets sold and initially they were getting a bit of help from weather still being good and people just wanting to get out of the house for something to do. As the weather gets colder and team continues to tank I wonder how their latest push in ticket sales are going. Most, if not all of us, remember how empty the stands starting getting right before the Bloody Big Deal happened and Day 1 prices came in when TL was hired. Tragically we are going to be going back to that. Joke of the league again. All teams needing to pick up points for their playoff push will be looking forward to playing us. Pretty damn sad. We know the low times and the high times and many of us will still be here on the next upswing if we get one but these are the rough times. And to have such an expensive roster too. Such mismanagement....

Kamp Berg
09-12-2021, 09:54 AM
So TFC FO already will have enough challenges during the pandemic getting tickets sold and initially they were getting a bit of help from weather still being good and people just wanting to get out of the house for something to do. As the weather gets colder and team continues to tank I wonder how their latest push in ticket sales are going. Most, if not all of us, remember how empty the stands starting getting right before the Bloody Big Deal happened and Day 1 prices came in when TL was hired. Tragically we are going to be going back to that. Joke of the league again. All teams needing to pick up points for their playoff push will be looking forward to playing us. Pretty damn sad. We know the low times and the high times and many of us will still be here on the next upswing if we get one but these are the rough times. And to have such an expensive roster too. Such mismanagement....

It’s certainly a bleak situation right now, we can only hope that Leweike 2.0 is coming!

OgtheDim
09-12-2021, 11:44 AM
FWIW

Team flew back last night ahead of game within 72 hours of the last one

reggie
09-12-2021, 11:48 AM
if we only had piatti:drinking:

Auzzy
09-12-2021, 12:44 PM
To add to the delusional interviews mention above, you have to add the delusional Manning interview mentioned in the Manning thread. I didn't have a chance to respond there yet, and I don't want to sidetrack this thread with the Manning quotes. But to me the interviews all kind of fit together to give a picture that isn't good.

It's a fine line, especially for coach and management. You need to get across that you know the situation is dire; that you are taking things seriously and will try to turn things around. But you still want to motivate the players (and the fans). It doesn't help to throw players under the bus especially individually, and the problems go much further than any individual player. Even for those players that will be leaving, you want to motivate them to play their best, or you won't get any value for them in a trade -- if anyone will even take them off your hands.

So far I think they are doing extremely badly with the messaging. Better to say yeah we know we kinda suck right now, but we're gonna be plucky, we're gonna be the happy underdogs, we're gonna ruin the playoff chances for a couple of other teams, we're gonna get some other coaches fired, and we're gonna try hard no matter what.

Stop with the "we're better than this; we're unlucky; on Tuesday we're gonna turn it all around." It's effin' ridiculous.

I think a couple of players actually tried yesterday, even if they didn't necessarily play well. I'm thinking of Westberg, Auro, Achara, plus Morrow and Endoh at least for stretches. The subs that came on didn't impress me, although JMR showed some flashes for the future.

I remember Bradley doing well near the end, racing back to help prevent a goal, and that reminded me of the good old days. But too many other times he was drifting. I am being harsher with Bradley than with others because I expect more; his salary is still quite high and he's the captain. But I just don't think he can motivate this bunch anymore, neither with words nor by example.

Prof
09-12-2021, 01:01 PM
if we only had piatti:drinking:

I agree. Only player missing from last years Supporter's Shield runner's up team.

MightyDM
09-12-2021, 01:59 PM
if we only had piatti:drinking:
Hahahhahha

jloome
09-12-2021, 02:27 PM
I agree. Only player missing from last years Supporter's Shield runner's up team.

Given that we fell to pieces without Pozuelo and lost a nine-point lead when he was out, from which we never recovered, I'd say "rundown" more accurately describes our efforts.

Sort of describes the roster, come to think of it.

Hala Hrvatska
09-15-2021, 05:48 AM
How does Curtis still have a job this morning after the latest loss?

Barely any fans in the stands either.

Are Curtis and Manning, the incompetent duo, the hill MLSE wants to die on by staying with these two club destroying hacks?

PS Mind you, all with the highest payroll in all of the mls....talk about zero value for dollar.