MLS Match Day 21 - TFC @ Miami Sat August 21 8:08pm - No clue

[OgtheDim]

of what's happening to you
And before this night is through
Ooh baby the rhythm is gonna get'cha


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZkjeJKBI0M

*******

Have at It People

[Joe Kool]

Not sure what to expect any game. Just want to be entertained at this point. Let's see what Peruzza has to offer....or why bring him back to the team? Just to sit on the bench?

[OgtheDim]

Mavinga might be available - his kid has been at SickKidds this week, he tweeted out.

[FootBallAZ]

craziest part is - as bad form as mavinga has been in- TFC would have most likely had a draw last home game and possibly a clean sheet draw vs ATL.

[Omar]

I'm expecting Perez to start Achara up front again, but at this stage, I'd rather see him either come off the bench as an impact sub or play as a wide forward. At this moment, he doesn't offer the sort of movement that strikers typically offer, and whilst he can develop that over time, I'd rather see how he and Perruzza work together in the same side.

Given that both Nelson and JMR are also in our squads, I would like to see them get some minutes off the bench. They find the USL a bit too easy anyways, so why not?

[OgtheDim]

FWIW

Team flew to Miami this afternoon

https://twitter.com/SportsAviation/status/1428444421721317376


My dog remains unimpressed

https://i.imgur.com/uZTNSrc.jpeg

[MightyDM]

I'm expecting Perez to start Achara up front again, but at this stage, I'd rather see him either come off the bench as an impact sub or play as a wide forward. At this moment, he doesn't offer the sort of movement that strikers typically offer, and whilst he can develop that over time, I'd rather see how he and Perruzza work together in the same side.

Given that both Nelson and JMR are also in our squads, I would like to see them get some minutes off the bench. They find the USL a bit too easy anyways, so why not?

Strikers cannot make normal runs with Yefferson on the ball - needs some thought by Perez how to create and exploit space given his slow ball movement. So a slow striker who can get position on the defence would actually be fine. peruzza might be that.

[MightyDM]

FWIW

Team flew to Miami this afternoon

https://twitter.com/SportsAviation/status/1428444421721317376




My dog remains unimpressed

https://i.imgur.com/uZTNSrc.jpeg

Looks like they trained this morning. Thats why we need these flight alerts!

[613reppingTFC]

So maybe Mavinga will join them down there..or he might miss this game also.
In any case all the best to his daughter

[Yohan]

Strikers cannot make normal runs with Yefferson on the ball - needs some thought by Perez how to create and exploit space given his slow ball movement. So a slow striker who can get position on the defence would actually be fine. peruzza might be that.

The solution to me is to put Soteldo on right wing where he becomes more predictable on his dribbling and crossing. Less of fancy 1v1 trying to cut in.

[James17930]

All I want to see for the rest of the season are the kids. Play them. Blood them. Get them ready for next year.

Though I'm still so bummed about Ayo and Ralph. If Achara goes down again I think I'll puke.

[PizzaEatingYeti]

FWIW


My dog remains unimpressed

https://i.imgur.com/uZTNSrc.jpeg

I do not have any expectations from this season, like most sane people on this board. :cheers:

However, the high point of the remainder of this season would be if your "dog" would be impressed at least once.
More so, would be catharctic, if he (she?) would show us another pic, while being impressed.

[DinamoTFC]

All I want to see for the rest of the season are the kids. Play them. Blood them. Get them ready for next year.

Though I'm still so bummed about Ayo and Ralph. If Achara goes down again I think I'll puke.
Same. Finally we have promising academy/young players and both get injured.

Season is done. Play the kids and see who can break into a starting line up next year and then make some trades for vets who are replaceable.

[Kamp Berg]

The latest piece in TFC Republic is an interview with Bob de Klerk. He describes how the players lost hope under Winter because no matter how well they played they kept on losing. Unfortunately, it’s eerily reminiscent of the team under Perez right now. I hope it’s not because I actually like Perez, but it’s hard not to see the similarities.

[MightyDM]

The latest piece in TFC Republic is an interview with Bob de Klerk. He describes how the players lost hope under Winter because no matter how well they played they kept on losing. Unfortunately, it’s eerily reminiscent of the team under Perez right now. I hope it’s not because I actually like Perez, but it’s hard not to see the similarities.

I’m not sure I agree with that. We have players like Pozuelo, Soteldo, Osorio, Bradley, each of whom is head and shoulders above anyone in that former line up. We are still recovering from Armas ball. Different circumstances

[Kamp Berg]

I’m not sure I agree with that. We have players like Pozuelo, Soteldo, Osorio, Bradley, each of whom is head and shoulders above anyone in that former line up. We are still recovering from Armas ball. Different circumstances

I agree that the circumstances are different, but aren’t they always? My point was not that it’s the same, just that it appears the similar, which could mean that it’s similar in some respects.

[OgtheDim]

Must be a nice day outside :)


I like the lineup - lets see how Singh can do as a CB (although being beside Omar isn't going to help) - Delgado as the DM.

[Auzzy]

I do not have any expectations from this season, like most sane people on this board. :cheers:

However, the high point of the remainder of this season would be if your "dog" would be impressed at least once.
More so, would be catharctic, if he (she?) would show us another pic, while being impressed.

To brighten up this dismal season & year, maybe we should start posting pet pics. We got two cats from the shelter during the pandemic. They’re darn cute.

[rocktml]

But I hate dogs and cats :(

[jloome]

Fraser started and went 90M at DM today in Columbus' loss to Seattle.

[reggie]

[QUOTE=jloome;1943163]Fraser started and went 90M at DM today i

and cbus have lost 6 in a row.

[FootBallAZ]

Line up looks good.

Priso out dont mwan Bradley starts.


Coach has cahones. I want to give him the benefit of doubt no training camp N pre season


Hopefully his vision ans tactics get cleaner and get 3 points .


Lol let's get it don't stop .

[OgtheDim]

Kilbane with the "He's not good enough" about Michael Bradley not starting......OWCH.

Gloves are off for TSN when assessing this team after Armas was let go.

[RealG-TFC]

I suspect Singh with Q in net will be better. I can imagine better communication in comparison with Bono.

[benito]

Kilbane with the "He's not good enough" about Michael Bradley not starting......OWCH.

Gloves are off for TSN when assessing this team after Armas was let go.

kilbane pulls no punches! I really enjoy his commentary and hope he’s at tsn for awhile.

[OgtheDim]

The ball is bouncing around like its a crap pitch.

[jloome]

Q with a smart one.

[rydermike]

Terrible giveaway by Marky

[Auzzy]

Sub off Delgado, send a message.

WTF was Singh doing there.

[OgtheDim]

Caldwell ignoring that Delgado gave the ball away

[FootBallAZ]

It'll be a long night for Singh yikes

[Loyal]

Marky is a giveaway machine - game in game out!

Another anchor holding this team back

[jloome]

Every time we get near the offensive end, no one crashes the box other than Achara.

Very frustrating that our mids never know when to join the play.

[FootBallAZ]

Does TFC ever make a good pass in the 18 yard box ?

[rocktml]

This team is so hard to watch

[jloome]

This game is where desire and work ethic went to die.

[jloome]

What the fuck are they trying to achieve with this cycling the ball forty yards from goal?

we need to play much more directly. This is absurd.

[zorsofstesab]

WTF are Singh and Delgado on the field tonight? If your conceding defeat at least try and put out a better staring 11.

[Auzzy]

Time for Caldwell to STFU again. How does this guy still have a job?

[rydermike]

Sign of our season. Brilliant free kick, hits post

[benito]

Great free kick except for the bar. Had the keeper beat.

[jloome]

Has a commentator ever gushed about a ball that didn’t go in quite so much.

We’re offensively inept.

[Thomas]

Agreed…he is so hard to listen too


Time for Caldwell to STFU again. How does this guy still have a job?

[Canary10]

Singh is the worst player on the pitch every game he plays. Hate to say that but he shouldn’t be on this team.

[rydermike]

Omar how did you miss

[Auzzy]

OMG so many bad crosses. And TFC players aren’t going to the open spots to receive the crosses.

[jloome]

Singh is the worst player on the pitch every game he plays. Hate to say that but he shouldn’t be on this team.

He’s not ready but I suspect with athleticism he still does better than Zavaleta.

the truth is with their inconsistency, even Gonzalez and Mavinga really shouldn’t be starting right now.

[Auzzy]

Agreed… he is so hard to listen too

Yes, and I specifically meant where he was doubting an obvious foul on Pozuelo.

[Auzzy]

We’ve had some decent chances though…

[jloome]

Finally a try to hit the lead man

jesus wept, we prance around a lot without doing anything

[rydermike]

Time for Caldwell to STFU again. How does this guy still have a job?
It annoys me that TSN let Kristian Jack go and decided to put Caldwell and DeGuzman on instead

[Thomas]

Not many of our guys are playing well. Even Canada’s golden boy Osario has been invisible thus far.

[zorsofstesab]

Gonzalez, OMG, you just got fucked!!

[jloome]

And the pathetically arrogant display of attempting to pass our way to wins continues…

this shit BARELY worked under Vanney, it has no chance with this defence and our older players’ decline.

Caldwell is annoying but he’s totally right about why we’re shit. There’s no impetus, all slow, methodical nonsense.

[rocktml]

I can’t I’m sorry I just can’t watch this team anymore. No desire no skill no passion no common sense nothing! I’m done

[benito]

This game is done. :facepalm:

[Bushmancan]

That is just lazy. Two words Manning and I don't even need to say it. Or it will be replacing Ali with Manning. DO IT TONIGHT!!!

[OgtheDim]

This team needs a shot clock - if you don't get a shot off within 15 seconds of gaining possession, you usually don't score. WAAAY to many pass attempts - just shoot the damn thing.

[Thomas]

For the first time, I’m checking out at half time unless we get one back. Back to the Sopranos. This is too painful.

[notthesun]

Curtis needs to go. Unironically a bald fraud.

[Auzzy]

Gonzalez how the hell do you go in with your left foot there?

Soteldo lost that ball before the goal and then just jogged.

This team is seriously up.

[jloome]

Fuck is Soteldo doing?

Seriously , they are fucking deluded, to a man. They believe they can walk around other teams.

[Bushmancan]

Hey Curtis Ali.... see if you can break this record.

75 - 2019 FC Cincinnati. 74 - 2018 Orlando City. 71 - 2018 Minnesota 71 - 2018 San Jose

[OgtheDim]

Pozuelo with the ball with only 2 people in front of him, decides to piroutte around 2 guys chasing him then gives it to Soteldo who slows things down enough for there to be 6 behind the ball & for a player to come back & take it off of him.


Our DP's are playing like they are better then everybody - they are not.


Do these guys not look at film?

[jloome]

This team needs a shot clock - if you don't get a shot off within 15 seconds of gaining possession, you usually don't score. WAAAY to many pass attempts - just shoot the damn thing.

No pressure, ever. Just lots of triangles trying to break the low block.

It’s just sad to watch.

[gracos]

Its obvious TFC doesnt care about results just the income, its time for us fans stop donating money to their pockets until they decide to make positive changes, no jersey purchase, no concession purchase, no season renewals, no tickets purchased, no merchandise, until change happens, which starts with Curtis/Manning out

[Thomas]

Singh looks like a floppy clown

[tfcocd]

And the pathetically arrogant display of attempting to pass our way to wins continues…

this shit BARELY worked under Vanney, it has no chance with this defence and our older players’ decline.

Caldwell is annoying but he’s totally right about why we’re shit. There’s no impetus, all slow, methodical nonsense.
Love or hate Caldwell he is pretty bang on. TFC playing at ‘testimonial’ pace

[Smokecell]

Nobody on this fucking team fucking works

[jloome]

Pozuelo with the ball with only 2 people in front of him, decides to piroutte then gives it to Soteldo who slows things down enough for there to be 6 behind the ball & for a player to come back & take it off of him.


Our DP's are playing like they are better then everybody - they are not.

So is Marky, so is Omar. Omar doesn’t try to recover when Higuain beats him, just assumes he knows he can’t make a difference instead of trying, perhaps pressuring the quicker shot.

Same with Markyks one touch passes that keep being intercepted.

I’ve been saying it now since 2019: we are a team loaded with arrogant asses.

Remember, these guys keep saying they know it’s a dressing room full of winners, but most of these guys haven’t won Fuck all with us.

[OgtheDim]

Miami really isn't all that good. All it takes is some energy & quick ball movement & they are undone. We could turn this around in the second half but a lot of the issues here are systemic.

[Thomas]

I will give Achara some credit, considering his salary…has done more than Jozy would have done.

[Auzzy]

Could this be deliberate?

They’re playing like they want someone fired. Who? Perez? Curtis? Themselves?

Ball turns over to Pizzarro right in front of our goal. THREE of our players slow-jog behind him instead of sprinting to pressure him.

Singh is in front of Miami’s net for a corner, SLOW JOGS back to our side after the ball turns over & a dangerous counterattack develops.

Even Okello slow-jogs in between some great play.

[Thomas]

Both Singh and Okello don’t seem very good players regardless.

[Bushmancan]

Kilbane is nailing it. The example the veterans are displaying could destroy a young player.

[Thomas]

Love him compared with Caldwell

[Smokecell]

Singh will make a great T&T international.

[Auzzy]

Yes Caldwell is totally right about the slow pace, lack of effort and all that. Still wrong about many other things.

Half time panel also tearing a shred off TFC.

[oranje boven]

No chemistry and little desire.
At 28mins Lawrence gets frustrated that Solteldo doesn’t pass then yells I think at Perez. At 39 min Solteldo again tries to get tricky, Poz says something to him and Solteldo then flaps his arms saying something to Lawrence who has given up thinking he’ll pass to him…. That’s just a snip it of things going bad

[Canary10]

It’s taken me longer than most of you to really get mad at this team’s performance but tonight is it. Omar’s weak ass attempted tackle on the second goal was too much. They don’t seem to care anymore.

[barticusz]

Good breakdown by both JDG and Kilbane.

At this point I just want to tune in to watch the young guys get a shot. We’re not going to win with the entitled ones so we may as well lose with guys getting a shot to prove themselves.

[MightyDM]

I saw the first twelve minutes then had to drive home from dinner. The first twelve looked like chaos. But it sounds like the rest of it was worse.

[OgtheDim]

Yeh, lets see what the second half brings but that was a bunch of guys not happy to be playing the game anymore.

[stevep]

Where’s the coach? Haven’t seen him all jight

[jloome]

Kilbane for manager.

”bad attitude throughout that team, one through Eleven.”

I’d probably give Q a pass on that but he’s right. Better to lose with kids trying than veterans walking.

[jloome]

They don’t want to win as a team, they just want to showboat as individuals.

[Smokecell]

Singh will make a great T&T international.

Nevermind he’s too shit to even make that XI

[OgtheDim]

Oh look...long straight ball

[Thomas]

Good night

[ag futbol]

Haven’t been able to watch tonight but saw the box score. Looks like things are going well!

[jloome]

Good God he kicked our keeper in the face. Surely he’s getting a card?!?!

[Inklink]

How the hell is that not a booking.

Isn't a high boot usually a booking? What the hell. Edit took long enough.

[MightyDM]

We are a bad team. It’s that simple. We were in 2018, had a lucky playoff run in 2019 that obscured the rot, certainly for me, and are just older now. Plus management has miserably failed at recruiting.

[Omar]

Is that actually a yellow card? To me, that was dangerous, and when Robinson caught Westberg on the face/eye, that certainly has to be a red, no?

[MightyDM]

How the hell is that not a booking.

Isn't a high boot usually a booking? What the hell. Edit took long enough.

Should be a red. Kicked him in the face! Incredibly poor call.

[Inklink]

Morrow playing CB lolololol

All I want is Curtis to be grilled before firing his ass.

[gracos]

I have no say with the supporter groups i know but hope in the future we hold Curtis/Manning to the fire for the rest of the season, no acquistions in the previous transfer window, no improvements to the medical staff, content to go for an unproven coach for the rest of the season, instead of getting in a coach, to start making his footprint but unfortunately nothing will be done as long as we pocket MLSE funds, lets hit them in their pockets to prove to them this is not acceptable

[Auzzy]

Problem with playing the kids to send a message: they weren’t trying any harder tonight. Morrow in for Singh was the right message.

[Omar]

I feel for Achara here. He's trying real hard, but the rest of the team just isn't keeping up with him. At this point, Perez has tried everything, but I don't see what else he can do with this XI. As sad as it seems, I think the players have thrown this season away now.

[OgtheDim]

Problem with playing the kids to send a message: they weren’t trying any harder tonight. Morrow in for Singh was the right message.


The kids can only do as much as they are taught to do & with the leadership around them.

Omar is not a leader of a backline nor a teacher - nor is Mavinga. Until we get a decent CB or two who wants to be a leader, Singh will not get better.

Same with Okello - Bradley is a leader but Delgado has no desire to teach.

My other issue is Poz & Soteldo do not want to share the damn ball.

[RealG-TFC]

Jesus Okello is a giveaway machine

[alex andrew]

wanted to say back then...thought it is inpolite

but !

now perez can add beckham and the higuains to his resume

something is wrong somewhere, it is one thing to lose, something else to being made fun of

[MightyDM]

Soteldo should never have been brought in. He wasn’t needed and doesn’t fit with Poz. Lawrence isn’t anything special; we would be fine with Morrow - compared with bringing in a CB with a similar profile to Lawrence

[jloome]

If our front office had any balls they would walk into the dressing room, post a list of all the regulars except Ralph, Oso Achara and Auro — the only four starters who have worked hard all year — and tell them that if we miss the playoffs, no one on the list is getting a renewal. And anyone with more than a year left is on the transfer list.

[Inklink]

The only hope this team has is own goals lmao

[RealG-TFC]

Gibby!

[MightyDM]

Bradley isn’t passing to Noble. Telling.

[OgtheDim]

The daily reminder that other MLS teams are capable of being bad to.

[MightyDM]

By the way, Miami is a truly awful team. Just saying.

[jloome]

Soteldo should never have been brought in. He wasn’t needed and doesn’t fit with Poz. Lawrence isn’t anything special; we would be fine with Morrow - compared with bringing in a CB with a similar profile to Lawrence

we probably should have been nervous just from his fairly low offensive production at Santos.

He sort of reminds me of Pablo Vitti, albeit a bit more dangerous. lots of dancing and no product.

can’t believe we paid 6M for the guy. That could get us a Raul Ruidiaz level striker from Mexico or Argentina.

[alex andrew]

he's very old ( bradley )

[oranje boven]

Og is so right about leaders not being teachers. A couple years ago we were successful with Zav and Hagglund as starters.. cause Drew Moor is/was a leader and teacher

[jloome]

When Mavinga gets back we should play him with Morrow (who played a few dozen games at CB for San Jose and can actually read the game). Omar is the place where games go to die.

[OgtheDim]

he's very old ( bradley )


Shea looks older

[alex andrew]

all i hope for, is a goal in the 85th minute...and then...

[jloome]

all i hope for, is a goal in the 85th minute...and then...
And then we give up a stupid foul or shot in the last minute and still lose by two.

don’t hold out hope for these losers, they don’t deserve it

[Auzzy]

The kids can only do as much as they are taught to do & with the leadership around them.

Omar is not a leader of a backline nor a teacher - nor is Mavinga. Until we get a decent CB or two who wants to be a leader, Singh will not get better.

Same with Okello - Bradley is a leader but Delgado has no desire to teach.

My other issue is Poz & Soteldo do not want to share the damn ball.

I agree the “veterans” aren’t teaching or guiding them.

But I can’t fathom young players not sprinting when needed, like after a turnover or coming back after a corner kick. Nobody should need to teach them that.

[OgtheDim]

Okello as target forward?

[jloome]

I agree the “veterans” aren’t teaching or guiding them.

But I can’t fathom young players not sprinting when needed, like after a turnover or coming back after a corner kick. Nobody should need to teach them that.

they stop doing that when the players influencing them don’t, because they arrogantly believe they shouldn’t waste the energy. That’s what having arrogant players does, it rubs off on the kids.

[jloome]

Okello as target forward?
I don’t see why not. He’s got ball skills but he’s fucking useless defensively and makes way too slow decisions to be a two-way midfielder.

[alex andrew]

poz should have chosen a better approach to that lob...

[OgtheDim]

That save against Poz off the lob after the lob from Soteldo looks good

BUT


Those 2 spend hours of actual game time trying to make plays like that happen & it only gets a shot off once every 6 games or so.

Pass quicker & shoot quicker - can't score if you don't shoot

[jloome]

Richie just static out there. No one showing for the ball, no one hungry. Nobody demanding it. It’s just gutless.

[Auzzy]

That save against Poz off the lob after the lob from Soteldo looks good

BUT


Those 2 spend hours of actual game time trying to make plays like that happen & it only gets a shot off once every 6 games or so.

Pass quicker & shoot quicker - can't score if you don't shoot

Plus no TFC player crashed the net (again). That was there for the taking.

[alex andrew]

That save against Poz off the lob after the lob from Soteldo looks good

BUT


Those 2 spend hours of actual game time trying to make plays like that happen & it only gets a shot off once every 6 games or so.

Pass quicker & shoot quicker - can't score if you don't shoot

yes sir !

[alex andrew]

you do fancy moves when you are way ahead, not in dire situations

[Auzzy]

Mullinho is gonna score a hat trick. LOL.

Did Soteldo go straight up the tunnel after getting subbed?

[stevep]

Where’s the coach!!

[alex andrew]

Where’s the coach!!

busy to add beckham and the higuains to his resume, i guess

[jloome]

Almost as disconcerting as this will be the equally gutless performance by the TO media in calling this bullshit out.

[OgtheDim]

You know who is a leader & teacher

Moulinho

I'm not joking

He is actually able to teach young grinding type B level forwards like Perruza how to play that role.

Keep him.

[jloome]

You know who is a leader & teacher

Moulinho

I'm not joking

He is actually able to teach young grinding type B level forwards like Perruza how to play that role.

Keep him.
He’s a good player. He works hard. I’d rather play him every game than half these losers.

[OgtheDim]

Almost as disconcerting as this will be the equally gutless performance by the TO media in calling this bullshit out.


Their tweets have been calling it out & Kilbane did it live on air already. Michael Singh is covering the game for MLS - lets see if he pulls his punches.

[MightyDM]

Terrible giveaway by Poz (86th minute)

[alex andrew]

it's the 87th minute, where is the second goal ? , we need three !

[jloome]

Their tweets have been calling it out & Kilbane did it live on air already. Michael Singh is covering the game for MLS - lets see if he pulls his punches.
Yeah, thinking more about the larger press outlets, Torsun, CBC, Canadian Press. Lots of very tired veterans who no longer wish to court controversy ever.

[MightyDM]

Mullinho is gonna score a hat trick. LOL.

Did Soteldo go straight up the tunnel after getting subbed?

Looked like it.

[OgtheDim]

Poz with the ball in front of the 18 with 3 players in the box....plays it square but too weak.

I am getting real tired of the unwillingness of this team to try to play the ball through.

[MightyDM]

I don’t even think they can clean house because there are very few players you’d want to keep.

[ensco]

I keep turning away because it is unwatchable and turning back because it is like watching a house burn.

[jloome]

Looked like it.
Maybe Atlanta would like to reunite him with his buddy Josef and will take his contract off our hands.

I mean, the dude clearly has the skill set to make a major difference on a team where he’s forced into a more constrained role. But the contract seems to have convinced him he’s much better than the level he’s playing at, and he’s not.

Same with Poz this season. That’s three of the last four games in which he’s tried that dumb close chip instead of just picking out the corner.

These guys impress themselves when they break wind; how could any of them be expected to take responsibility for anything?

[Auzzy]

Well that was something.

Good night.

[MightyDM]

They were so bad tonight that they didn’t even contest the boot to the head of the keeper which is a clear red as far as I am concerned. Perez got the line up wrong too.

[jloome]

Omar isn’t just bad. He’s lost his heart for the game. Anytime he’s beaten now, he either tries to shove the guy over from behind or just jogs back, as if his part In the play is over.

Fucking disgraceful performances, all over the pitch.

If we play like that against York, we’ll lose to a CPL team.

[portu]

Hard to pinpoint what's going wrong because there's just so many reasons. I think we're at least seeing that Perez's early performance was the result of the "new coach bump".

[jloome]

They were so bad tonight that they didn’t even contest the boot to the head of the keeper which is a clear red as far as I am concerned. Perez got the line up wrong too.
Yeah. I mean, it’s hard to judge work we can’t see, but he’s not changing attitudes, that’s clear

after that performance, Omar should never dress again. Singh is probably never going to make this level; he’s Warren Crevalle redux, all athleticism, zero read of the game.

Delgado, Laryea amd Pozuelo all strolling off the ball, no one trying to force the play or create movement .

Kilbane is right, a ‘sad’ watch indeed.

[alex andrew]

wish all of you a good night

[jloome]

Mavinga, Auro and Morrow are our only competent defenders. We’d be better playing them in a flat three with Mavinga centrally to defend crosses than continuing the farce of allowing Omar/Singh/Zavaleta out there.

[OgtheDim]

I don’t even think they can clean house because there are very few players you’d want to keep.


The bigger need is a coach with a plan that is different then what these guys are used to - another reason why we do not want Robin Fraser, btw.

[reggie]

You know who is a leader & teacher

Moulinho

I'm not joking

He is actually able to teach young grinding type B level forwards like Perruza how to play that role.

Keep him.

sure he can teach them how to run around and do nothing for 3 years and collect a paycheck.lol

[gracos]

The bigger need is a coach with a plan that is different then what these guys are used to - another reason why we do not want Robin Fraser, btw.

We could sign any of the following coaches: Pep Guardiola, Simone Inzaghi, Julian Nagelsmann, Jocelyn Gourvennec, Diego Simeone and with our current management we would fail, the management of Curtis/Manning must go

[SoccMan2]

Omar isn’t just bad. He’s lost his heart for the game. Anytime he’s beaten now, he either tries to shove the guy over from behind or just jogs back, as if his part In the play is over.

Fucking disgraceful performances, all over the pitch.

If we play like that against York, we’ll lose to a CPL team.
This team is not beating York lol , be thankful they are not playing Calgary or the Hamilton CPL team because they would not only lose but lose badly!

[ag futbol]

We are comprehensively the last place team in MLS with the highest payroll by some distance. And all that with a fresh new transfer to start the year. If this isn’t a full on indictment on Curtis and Manning I don’t know what is. Neither should survive this season.

[leedsandTFC]

i felt bad for singh out there, should never have been put in.

just almost comically out of his depth, he's good to basically giftwrap the opposition 2 goals every game he starts him.

why was he handed a long contract again?

another curtis masterclass, send him back to TFCII to develop, but i doubt he ever makes it to mls.

* edit to say i just checked and singh is on a contract for 4 more seasons after this lmao, good god

[portu]

I really really hope I’m not reading serious takes about Singh on this board right now. A player with under 10 first team matches played at the age of 20. Get real about your expectations for a kid being played next to a washed up millionaire in the worst defensive set up in the league please.

[leedsandTFC]

I really really hope I’m not reading serious takes about Singh on this board right now. A player with under 10 first team matches played at the age of 20. Get real about your expectations for a kid being played next to a washed up millionaire in the worst defensive set up in the league please.


he didn't exceed or fail to meet my expectations.

he's not an MLS level player, not anywhere close, and it's a farce that we're in a position where he's the CB depth.

[leedsandTFC]

Singh is the worst player on the pitch every game he plays. Hate to say that but he shouldn’t be on this team.

it's incredibly jarring, every game he's in the lineup is just a shooting gallery for the other team. better off starting with 10 players at a certain point.

[ManUtd4ever]

The fat lady has sung folks. Time to look ahead to next season and play the younglings so they can get some quality minutes.

[jloome]

The fat lady has sung folks. Time to look ahead to next season and play the younglings so they can get some quality minutes.

We can't just capitulate games. That will do more harm than good. They need to play with confidence, late in games we're winning. It's the formula globally for kids who aren't ready and ours, outside Ralph, clearly aren't.

Maybe give JMR a start, as we have no one scoring anyway. But we've seen the rest of them. They're just not ready to be starters. Okello showed that in this last game; he has great passing and ball movement skills, he's quick, he's athletic... and he's behind the game, all the time. We might as well just cede a third of the pitch if we start him.

I'm curious as to why older prospects like Romeo and Dunn aren't even getting a look ahead of Singh. As unready as he clearly is, is that just myopic direction from on high because of his athleticism or are they even worse? People seemed to speak highly of Dunn in the CPL last year and as low a level as that is, his positioning and read couldn't possibly be worse than Singh's, which is non-existent.

The mere fact that he automatically went down low to block a shot from Pizzaro instead of staying tight and using his feet WHILE IN THE BOX suggests there are key elements to his tasks that just haven't stuck or been taught properly. I mean, that was embarrassing for all involved, probably even Pizarro.

[noxx98]

i felt bad for singh out there, should never have been put in.

just almost comically out of his depth, he's good to basically giftwrap the opposition 2 goals every game he starts him.

why was he handed a long contract again?

another curtis masterclass, send him back to TFCII to develop, but i doubt he ever makes it to mls.

* edit to say i just checked and singh is on a contract for 4 more seasons after this lmao, good god
You sign Singh to a homegrown contract for 4+ seasons, because that's what you do with young players. He's signed for the minimum and doesn't count against the salary cap. If he does well, you have a bargain and someone you can sell on to Europe if he wants. If he doesn't do well, the contract doesn't matter and you can bury him with TFC2 or waive him.

He should be the fourth or fifth CB on the roster. Seriously, there's enough things you can slander Curtis and Manning for. You don't need to add Singh to the list.

[ag futbol]

You sign Singh to a homegrown contract for 4+ seasons, because that's what you do with young players. He's signed for the minimum and doesn't count against the salary cap. If he does well, you have a bargain and someone you can sell on to Europe if he wants. If he doesn't do well, the contract doesn't matter and you can bury him with TFC2 or waive him.

He should be the fourth or fifth CB on the roster. Seriously, there's enough things you can slander Curtis and Manning for. You don't need to add Singh to the list.
I know what you’re saying. Why make it an indictment of a young player on a minimal salary.

But I think people are fair to ask the question why we can rarely produce a player who is first team ready? And, why give minutes to a player who so far off the pace? Sending youth players out to get slaughtered is not helpful. Requisite needs to be some semblance of keeping pace, even if it’s not a perfect performance by any means.

[leedsandTFC]

I know what you’re saying. Why make it an indictment of a young player on a minimal salary.

But I think people are fair to ask the question why we can rarely produce a player who is first team ready? And, why give minutes to a player who so far off the pace? Sending youth players out to get slaughtered is not helpful. Requisite needs to be some semblance of keeping pace, even if it’s not a perfect performance by any means.

I agree, might have said it wrong.

It's an indictment of our academy and ali Curtis that this is one of few cb options we have.

[leedsandTFC]

You sign Singh to a homegrown contract for 4+ seasons, because that's what you do with young players. He's signed for the minimum and doesn't count against the salary cap. If he does well, you have a bargain and someone you can sell on to Europe if he wants. If he doesn't do well, the contract doesn't matter and you can bury him with TFC2 or waive him.

He should be the fourth or fifth CB on the roster. Seriously, there's enough things you can slander Curtis and Manning for. You don't need to add Singh to the list.

He should've have been signed, a million miles off the pace. A terrible decision, I bet this season will have destroyed his confidence as well, poor guy.

Needs another couple of years with TFCII playing every week.

[OgtheDim]

FWIW, team flew into town last night

https://twitter.com/SportsAviation/status/1429434885064863752?s=19

My dog remains unimpressed

https://twitter.com/OgtheDim/status/1429615426456236033?s=19

[Red CB Toronto]

Their first full road trip of the year, played in Atlanta, flew to Florida, stayed there for a few days and played Miami last night, a sense of normal times.


FWIW, team flew into town last night

https://twitter.com/SportsAviation/status/1429434885064863752?s=19

My dog remains unimpressed

https://twitter.com/OgtheDim/status/1429615426456236033?s=19

[PizzaEatingYeti]

FWIW, team flew into town last night

My dog remains unimpressed

https://twitter.com/OgtheDim/status/1429615426456236033?s=19

That's a cute dog.
Has a very slight resemblance with a cat, but maybe I'm wrong...

PS: Happy to see your dog from another angle! :hump:
I'm sad he (she?) is still unimpressed.

[Ultra & Proud]

This team is not beating York lol , be thankful they are not playing Calgary or the Hamilton CPL team because they would not only lose but lose badly!
They'll win this against York for sure but what does that say really?

Same as our dark ages. Be total MLS trash but do good in V Cup. Probably.

[jloome]

They'll win this against York for sure but what does that say really?

Same as our dark ages. Be total MLS trash but do good in V Cup. Probably.

The gap between the leagues is wider than CPL fans seem to think. That Cavalry team was probably good enough to compete in USL-C, so beating the Whitecaps one off didn't shock me. It's possible York would be as effective against TFC, but I doubt it. We have a lot of skill, just tired legs and questionable work ethic.

It will still take a minor miracle for York to win.

I dunno... as Stevep pointed out during the game, there have been multiple times this season when it looks like they're playing "to rule", just enough to have an air of trying to do their jobs but conceding that until there's a front office cleanout, the team won't compete.

[Ultra & Proud]

I dunno... as Stevep pointed out during the game, there have been multiple times this season when it looks like they're playing "to rule", just enough to have an air of trying to do their jobs but conceding that until there's a front office cleanout, the team won't compete.

I've been saying since 2018 that's there's an arrogance in the locker room coupled with the shit mentality of "turning it on" when needed and that everything is under control and will be turned around soon. Those are lines you hear out of Bradley often and it's been seen here and there since 2018. More than ever I think we need to gut as much of the 2017 team as possible and that starts with Bradley (but goes much further). Time for a new voice in the locker room and new ideas on the pitch.

For the first time ever I really don't care if any players remain from the current squad. It would never happen as it's impossible but I would be totally fine with an expansion team level restart. Also the first time ever that I am actively rooting for us to lose as many players as possible in the upcoming expansion draft.

Amongst the brass, I expect Manning stays as he is a high up suit but he better be starting to flash around MLSE money and fancy titles like TFC VP to get some Lagerway level GM to make his way here. This next GM hire is the most important hiring that Manning will have had to make in his time here and it better not just be an internal job search amongst a bunch of his former teammates and buddies.

[Bushmancan]

^ It may be the most important thing this club does ever, if he fucks it up it will take years to resolve. This is no longer fine tuning, the Ali and Armas shitshow could pound this club for years, just as the Leweike gave us some light.

[leedsandTFC]

I've been saying since 2018 that's there's an arrogance in the locker room coupled with the shit mentality of "turning it on" when needed and that everything is under control and will be turned around soon. Those are lines you hear out of Bradley often and it's been seen here and there since 2018. More than ever I think we need to gut as much of the 2017 team as possible and that starts with Bradley (but goes much further). Time for a new voice in the locker room and new ideas on the pitch.

For the first time ever I really don't care if any players remain from the current squad. It would never happen as it's impossible but I would be totally fine with an expansion team level restart. Also the first time ever that I am actively rooting for us to lose as many players as possible in the upcoming expansion draft.

Amongst the brass, I expect Manning stays as he is a high up suit but he better be starting to flash around MLSE money and fancy titles like TFC VP to get some Lagerway level GM to make his way here. This next GM hire is the most important hiring that Manning will have had to make in his time here and it better not just be an internal job search amongst a bunch of his former teammates and buddies.

manning probably knows that they can't afford another season even semi resembling this one for him to keep his job.

they made the correct decision to fire armas based on terrible results, only so long til the same logic will apply higher up, especially if a new coach next season can't turn us around.

[MightyDM]

I've been saying since 2018 that's there's an arrogance in the locker room coupled with the shit mentality of "turning it on" when needed and that everything is under control and will be turned around soon. Those are lines you hear out of Bradley often and it's been seen here and there since 2018. More than ever I think we need to gut as much of the 2017 team as possible and that starts with Bradley (but goes much further). Time for a new voice in the locker room and new ideas on the pitch.

For the first time ever I really don't care if any players remain from the current squad. It would never happen as it's impossible but I would be totally fine with an expansion team level restart. Also the first time ever that I am actively rooting for us to lose as many players as possible in the upcoming expansion draft.

Amongst the brass, I expect Manning stays as he is a high up suit but he better be starting to flash around MLSE money and fancy titles like TFC VP to get some Lagerway level GM to make his way here. This next GM hire is the most important hiring that Manning will have had to make in his time here and it better not just be an internal job search amongst a bunch of his former teammates and buddies.

Bradley says that things will turn around. Yes. But what would you have him say? “Our defence is shit and we know we will give up a goal in 15 minutes so it’s hard to care”??!!

He’s a rare player who works incredibly hard. We will miss him when he goes.

[Ultra & Proud]

Bradley says that things will turn around. Yes. But what would you have him say? “Our defence is shit and we know we will give up a goal in 15 minutes so it’s hard to care”??!!

He’s a rare player who works incredibly hard. We will miss him when he goes.
The problem isn't his platitudes to the media. It's whether he actually believes what he says and I don't see anything in him to think he doesn't. This guy is the heart and soul of the team and you see him and what he says spread through the rest of the roster. Problem is that they believe we can just turn it on and make a surge but by the time they get actually desperate and commit to winning, we're already buried.

Watch, much like 2018 we will play really well this Friday and beat Montreal nicely. We get up for big matches like the Revs away this season or the finale in 2018 to deny Atlanta the Shield/points record and then proceed to dog the rest of the more mundane fixtures by half-assing them and appearing disinterested. This season is like a shitty copy of 2018 but without a great CCL run to provide an excuse for the failings.

[MightyDM]

I would really like to know what went on in 2018. I think part of it was the Seba renewal but there were clearly other things going on. Something was off. This year, it was Armas but what now? Maybe we just aren’t good enough (because our whole team is midfielders )

[ag futbol]

manning probably knows that they can't afford another season even semi resembling this one for him to keep his job.

they made the correct decision to fire armas based on terrible results, only so long til the same logic will apply higher up, especially if a new coach next season can't turn us around.
The problem I see is that we start to see real flexibility in contracts this offseason. Manning (and whatever patsy of his choosing) shouldn’t be trusted to do any sort of rebuild. Bring in someone now and give them a fresh slate.

[Ultra & Proud]

I would really like to know what went on in 2018. I think part of it was the Seba renewal but there were clearly other things going on. Something was off. This year, it was Armas but what now? Maybe we just aren’t good enough (because our whole team is midfielders )
I don't think the Seba renewal was a major factor but it was there. I think the team believed they were better than they were since they beat Mexican teams so they could coast during the MLS season and turn it on when they had to and make a playoff push. Obviously that was easier said than done.

This season I think there's some of the same sentiment as 2018 as we've heard similar refrains from our leaders. We all know by now that we aren't good enough to compete for a playoff spot but the problem is that our players are still arrogant and they don't believe it. I think that mindset is one of the reasons why collectively our team doesn't play at 100% or stay focused for 90+ minutes per match. This is why I blame our team leaders because it has to be coming from them as they were all here in 2017/18.

Sometimes to clear out this type of thing you need to rebuild the roster from very deep and I think we should do that now.

This year I am not going to hang it all on Armas either. I did early on but the same exact things are still happening except now we've reverted back to no movement, no pace, no running, and no shots. For me, Armas isn't to blame for anything except having no plan or tactics besides 'run & press'. This whole mess should fall on the player's heads. Sure Curtis didn't get a new CB and he is AWOL but this squad, as shit as it is, is better than a wooden spoon lock and that's on all of them.

[Oldtimer]

This whole mess should fall on the player's heads.

That's what the players have been saying all season.

Of course, ultimately this reflects back on Curtis.

[MightyDM]

I don't think the Seba renewal was a major factor but it was there. I think the team believed they were better than they were since they beat Mexican teams so they could coast during the MLS season and turn it on when they had to and make a playoff push. Obviously that was easier said than done.

This season I think there's some of the same sentiment as 2018 as we've heard similar refrains from our leaders. We all know by now that we aren't good enough to compete for a playoff spot but the problem is that our players are still arrogant and they don't believe it. I think that mindset is one of the reasons why collectively our team doesn't play at 100% or stay focused for 90+ minutes per match. This is why I blame our team leaders because it has to be coming from them as they were all here in 2017/18.

Sometimes to clear out this type of thing you need to rebuild the roster from very deep and I think we should do that now.

This year I am not going to hang it all on Armas either. I did early on but the same exact things are still happening except now we've reverted back to no movement, no pace, no running, and no shots. For me, Armas isn't to blame for anything except having no plan or tactics besides 'run & press'. This whole mess should fall on the player's heads. Sure Curtis didn't get a new CB and he is AWOL but this squad, as shit as it is, is better than a wooden spoon lock and that's on all of them.

I don’t agree. Simple long balls over the top are killing us and we’re even when it was Mavinga and Gonzalez. That sucks the life out of a team. It’s not leadership, it’s “here we go again, no matter how hard I work they score an easy goal”. We also aren’t scoring so teams don’t mind attacking as we have no counter attack.

Why? Poor roster construction. Need a strong CB and an elite scorer. We have multiple elite midfielders and just spent millions to acquire another one in Soteldo. Management could have used that money to bring in a striker, a CB, or both. It didn’t and to me the blame lies squarely with them. It’s not like it’s news - people on here were saying similar all last year and even in 2019