MLS Match Day 17 TFC @ Philly Wednesday Aug 4 7:38pm - You Might See Anyone

[OgtheDim]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWt4Hz1KGcQ

(I'm expecting this to be a very frantic game)

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Have at It People

[MightyDM]

Lineup and formation will be very interesting. Poz? Does Priso or Marky sit? Who will provide width and from where? If it’s a 3-5-2 do both Marky and Priso sit or does Soteldo play left wingback? Or do we go back to 4-2-3-1 with Oso Poz Soteldo in the “3”

Plus, Richie hasn’t shone. We could see as a 3-5-2 Mavinga Omar Zavs; Lawrence Oso Bradley Poz Auro; Soteldo Jozy or in the 4-2-3-1 Lawrence Mavinga Omar Auro; Bradley Priso; Soteldo Poz Oso; Jozy

[MikeForbes]

I would imagine we will see a 3-5-2 again. Osorio, Bradley and Delgado as the central midfield three. Priso has shown great strides but his gas tank is not very good for an 18-19 year old. Hopefully Lawrence is back and can play LM/LWB. Does Jozy start after playing 70+ minutes yesterday though?

[jloome]

I think he has to based on his linkup play. Dwyer ha offered zero going forward.

Frankly they both look so past due, I’d start the kid at this point.

[noxx98]

https://twitter.com/MichaelSingh94/status/1422564635799171074

So, summer of Perruzza kicks off Wednesday? I'd rather save Jozy for the last 30 minutes of the game and let him body around a tired defence.

[Richard]

The medical and fitness team is abysmal.

[Mike_S]

https://twitter.com/MichaelSingh94/status/1422564635799171074

So, summer of Perruzza kicks off Wednesday? I'd rather save Jozy for the last 30 minutes of the game and let him body around a tired defence.

I would presume Altidore starts on the bench tomorrow as there is another game this weekend.

You would think Achara would be very close to at least making it on the bench as well.

[OgtheDim]

That's basically Dwyer added to known issues.

Fact that we have so many known issues is...annoying.

[PizzaEatingYeti]

What the heck is with Poz's injury and conditioning situation this season?
We are almost half-way through, and in the few games he played he was never fully fit... not even close - and this was clear from his on-pitch performance. And now he's injured again.

Some on these boards are saying that he was a shade of last year's himself until now because they can not play both almost same positions with Yefe - but I think this is not the real cause at all. It's purely the injury situation and the absence of preseason conditioning.

With Poz missing too many remaining games or not being fully fit when playing, IMO we do not have any chance to catching the playoffs.

[Richard]

So if we loose Altidore to an injury, who the hell do we put up top?

Are we at the point were Zavelta's got to fill in? :facepalm:

The striker situation is dire at the moment, Altidore is 45min player at best, and we got like no other options as sub without Akinola.

[jloome]

So if we loose Altidore to an injury, who the hell do we put up top?

Are we at the point were Zavelta's got to fill in? :facepalm:

The striker situation is dire at the moment, Altidore is 45min player at best, and we got like no other options as sub without Akinola.

Given how good he is in the air and how many goals he scored in college, Zavs would probably be more effective NOW than Dwyer. At least we’d have a target man who can hold up the ball and bring Poz and El Jefe into scoring positions.

[leedsandTFC]

mullins to start probably.

[buddies]

So if we loose Altidore to an injury, who the hell do we put up top?

Are we at the point were Zavelta's got to fill in? :facepalm:

The striker situation is dire at the moment, Altidore is 45min player at best, and we got like no other options as sub without Akinola.

Trade a midfielder for allocation money and sign Junior Hoilett. He can fill in up front and move out to the wing if everyone else is healthy. Problem solved ...I love Marky. The boy works his ass off but I think Priso is ready to fill that spot and we've also got Fraser as a backup when his loan is over. A Delgado trade would probably be enough to make the funny cap rules work.

[OgtheDim]

You don't trade a starting mid for a 2/3 season forward rental.

Maybe a long term starting CB but why do that when OG's contract ends after 2021.

[Ultra & Proud]

You don't trade a starting mid for a 2/3 season forward rental.

Maybe a long term starting CB but why do that when OG's contract ends after 2021.
This is true plus Priso doesn't look match in, match out consistent to me yet and Fraser has no hope. The chances of pulling out a playoff spot is low this season and I wouldn't trade a good, long term piece now and regret it later.

[FootBallAZ]

The medical and fitness team is abysmal.


This has been on-going since 2018.
This is all on manning- no one else to blame- how many signals does the team need to understand medical staff is crucial to on field success.

How a medical guy injures himself while running on the pitch to tend to an injured TFC Player pretty much speaks volumes about these experts.


SMH

So many small adjustments and the season would have been saved.

[MightyDM]

What the heck is with Poz's injury and conditioning situation this season?
We are almost half-way through, and in the few games he played he was never fully fit... not even close - and this was clear from his on-pitch performance. And now he's injured again.

Some on these boards are saying that he was a shade of last year's himself until now because they can not play both almost same positions with Yefe - but I think this is not the real cause at all. It's purely the injury situation and the absence of preseason conditioning.

With Poz missing too many remaining games or not being fully fit when playing, IMO we do not have any chance to catching the playoffs.

You appear to be right about Poz’s conditioning. However, I do think Jefe’s need for the ball, and slow ball movement (he is more like Grealish than DeBruyne) both diminish Poz. Lots of posters say give it time and fair enough, but I don’t see Poz having the same influence - it’s just not possible.

[MightyDM]

I think Jozy starts tonight and goes 70 again. As for the longer term, we have excess excellence in midfield and lack effective depth up front and a starter at CB. Something has to give; and we have a hurt MVP with a family in Spain. Would love Hoilett to join us. He’s be extremely effective in MLS and looks motivated.

[OgtheDim]

Jeb, sitting on his lawn chair overlooking the train tracks, says to his dog Sebastian

"Looks like the team decided to fly down on the day and fly back tonight"

https://d17fnq9dkz9hgj.cloudfront.net/uploads/2018/01/shelter-dog-cropped-1-632x329.jpeg



https://twitter.com/SportsAviation/status/1422930947180220426 ]

[jloome]

I think Jozy starts tonight and goes 70 again. As for the longer term, we have excess excellence in midfield and lack effective depth up front and a starter at CB. Something has to give; and we have a hurt MVP with a family in Spain. Would love Hoilett to join us. He’s be extremely effective in MLS and looks motivated.

He was a pretty dominant player at the Gold Cup. Frankly, I don't think he'd come for less than a high-end TAM deal, for which we lack the cap room.

But he's only 31. He'd probably be a 10-plus goal guy annually in MLS, easily worth it if we could get him.

I don't think they'd ever trade Delgado for someone his age, but if we got three good years out of him, it would probably be worth it. Marky's already starting to show a little age, having played a two-way role for a decade now, although he's still a very effective player.

[Smokecell]

Jeb, sitting on his lawn chair overlooking the train tracks, says to his dog Sebastian

"Looks like the team decided to fly down on the day and fly back tonight"

https://d17fnq9dkz9hgj.cloudfront.net/uploads/2018/01/shelter-dog-cropped-1-632x329.jpeg



You have an absolutely beautiful dog

[OgtheDim]

My dog looks more like a cat

Jeb's though is real cute....

[leedsandTFC]

i say mullins starts tonight, but would love Jozy to throw together a run of starts.

funnily enough, he's actually not really been injured this season yet (maybe 1 week).

has missed games through armas conflict and covid shot after effect.

[Richard]

There is an English striker still vacationing in Florida, perhaps we could make an offer? g:D

[jloome]

There is an English striker still vacationing in Florida, perhaps we could make an offer? g:D

If Villa got $100M for Grealish, there's no way Tottenham are taking less than $150M for Kane. I expect he will be reporting soon, as Spurs have a history of forcing contracts to be honored.

A gentlemen's agreement on a six-year-contract? Okay.

Still, imagine what he'd do to MLS defences!

Wouldn't mean making the all-star team, mind. With 27 teams in the league, only 16 are represented. Seattle has half its first tema voted in by mass balloting, and Bob Bradley, the coach, has picked half his own first team as well. Why? Why would half the league bother watching a farcical friendly with Liga MX when we root actively against so many of our own participants?

Philly has seven straight unbeaten but I think five of those were draws, and Monteiro is forcing a transfer, so they might be riled.

[leedsandTFC]

If Villa got $100M for Grealish, there's no way Tottenham are taking less than $150M for Kane. I expect he will be reporting soon, as Spurs have a history of forcing contracts to be honored.

A gentlemen's agreement on a six-year-contract? Okay.

Still, imagine what he'd do to MLS defences!

Wouldn't mean making the all-star team, mind. With 27 teams in the league, only 16 are represented. Seattle has half its first tema voted in by mass balloting, and Bob Bradley, the coach, has picked half his own first team as well. Why? Why would half the league bother watching a farcical friendly with Liga MX when we root actively against so many of our own participants?

Philly has seven straight unbeaten but I think five of those were draws, and Monteiro is forcing a transfer, so they might be riled.

not sure where you got this from, philly have 2 losses in 7, 4 draws and only 1 win.

[Red CB Toronto]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7-xgmXXsAIlSeS?format=jpg&name=small

JOZY !!!!

[jloome]

not sure where you got this from, philly have 2 losses in 7, 4 draws and only 1 win.

Weird. I thought they were struggling then read a blog yesterday suggesting they hadn't lost in seven. Maybe it was from last year.

Ah well, good timing then.

EDIT: https://www.philadelphiaunion.com/news/know-your-enemy-back-in-action-against-toronto-fc

Seven-match unbeaten streak at HOME, I should have noted.

[leedsandTFC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7-xgmXXsAIlSeS?format=jpg&name=small

JOZY !!!!


lineup looks good.

so nice to have the gold up guys back

[leedsandTFC]

Weird. I thought they were struggling then read a blog yesterday suggesting they hadn't lost in seven. Maybe it was from last year.

Ah well, good timing then.

i think that was nashville it was referencing? they havent lost in 7.

[OgtheDim]

3-5-2 seems to be the plan. Yes, it would be good to have Poz and based on the words of Perez this week, he should be there on Saturday. But that's not a bad lineup & should give Philly some pause offensively.

Still expect to give up a garbage goal or two. A point here would be a good result.

[MikeForbes]

Praying Jozy does not get hurt.

[jloome]

i think that was nashville it was referencing? they havent lost in 7.

No, Philly at home. Unbeaten at their park in seven (I think they only lost once there all last season, for that matter).

[Richard]

If Villa got $100M for Grealish, there's no way Tottenham are taking less than $150M for Kane. I expect he will be reporting soon, as Spurs have a history of forcing contracts to be honored.

A gentlemen's agreement on a six-year-contract? Okay.

Still, imagine what he'd do to MLS defences!

Wouldn't mean making the all-star team, mind. With 27 teams in the league, only 16 are represented. Seattle has half its first tema voted in by mass balloting, and Bob Bradley, the coach, has picked half his own first team as well. Why? Why would half the league bother watching a farcical friendly with Liga MX when we root actively against so many of our own participants?

Philly has seven straight unbeaten but I think five of those were draws, and Monteiro is forcing a transfer, so they might be riled.

The money floating around the premier league is nuts, that's $174M CAD for Grealish, and Kane's asking price would be north of $200M!

To get a rotation player nowadays is like $25M GPB, and like $50M+ GPB for a first team player.....

[jloome]

3-5-2 seems to be the plan. Yes, it would be good to have Poz and based on the words of Perez this week, he should be there on Saturday. But that's not a bad lineup & should give Philly some pause offensively.

Still expect to give up a garbage goal or two. A point here would be a good result.

Pretty solid lineup and the kids for some late subs. Might as well, given our general paucity of depth.

[jloome]

The money floating around the premier league is nuts, that's $174M CAD for Grealish, and Kane's asking price would be north of $200M!

To get a rotation player nowadays is like $25M GPB, and like $50M+ GPB for a first team player.....

I can't believe Villa paid $25M for Danny Ings. I mean... he has two great seasons behind him, yes, but quite a few more before that where he wasn't nearly as effective, and he's not young. Even if you assume late peak (by striker standards) at 29, the notion that he's going to bang in 15 a year is fraught with issues.

[MightyDM]

Thats as good a lineup as it gets in this league. Interesting to see when lineup they use when Poz returns - likely a 4-2-3-1 and Poz comes in for Zav I suppose. Soteldo-Poz-Oso in the "3'

[rydermike]

ACHARA is back as a sub
Osorio is starting
Lawrence is back
Still no Pozuelo
Morrow is out



-----------------Bono---------
---Zavaleta---Gonzalez---Mavinga
Laryea--Delgado--Bradley--Osorio--Lawrence
-------------Altidore---Soteldo

Westberg/Achara/DeLeon/MarshallRutty/
Mullins/Okello/Perruzza/Priso/Singh



Not in the 20: Silva/Auro/Morrow/Dunn/Pozuelo/Nelson
/Endoh/Gallardo/Dwyer/Shaffelberg/Akinola

[OgtheDim]

Decent pregame show with Kilbane making JDG better through his interaction


Which of course means we get stuck with Caldwell & "I have my lines to read out in these first 15 minutes so hopefully not much happens in terms of action" for the game call.

[jloome]

Cripes, is this in standard def?!?

[jloome]

Looks like a half field press. Probably a mistake against us.

[OgtheDim]

Ted "pointing to the spot" Unkel tonight...should be an improvement

[portu]

Oh my god.

[mowe]

The goal was coming.

[rydermike]

Well Philly been dominating us. No surprise they got one

[jloome]

Defenders not attacking the ball.

we look sleepy

thisll get ugly if it continues.

[portu]

I don’t even have the energy to be frustrated with the ways we concede

[notthesun]

Couldn't Bono have went and claimed that? Right in the six yard box...

[RealG-TFC]

Would it kill Bono to attack the ball?

[rydermike]

The undefeated Perez era will probably end tonight

[PizzaEatingYeti]

Our defense is garbage yet again.
Logical lead for Philly after 2 great early chances.

[gracos]

i didnt think this game would be fun, and so far it isnt, i guess rest up our players and hope for a result on the weekend, Philadelphia is just a better team

[benito]

Mavinga had a very weak challenge on that goal too

[daner90]

This could go south real fast.

We are getting outclassed all over the pitch.

It doesnt matter who our coach is, we cannot defend corners, crosses or set pieces

[Yohan]

I hate zonal marking

[OgtheDim]

TV production is utter shite - missed a give away earlier and now a shot on goal because they went for a replay.

****

Almost as bad as our defensive midfield work...

[bhandsome90]

Why does the team going for long passes? TFC doesn't have those kind of passers.

[jloome]

Our ball movement is glacial

[portu]

Soteldo can’t play through the middle, passing just isn’t good enough to be that kind of focal point

[jloome]

We’re still arrogant. Too overconfident.

[OgtheDim]

Our best defensive player has been....Zavs.


Ugh

[jloome]

When Philly attacks the goal, they attack the goal. When we do it, there s not even a man on the back post

[noxx98]

Great move to get Richie that shot. Bad finishing.

Better reffing today as well.

[jloome]

Ow..

[rydermike]

This is going to end 4-0 maybe 4-1 if we're lucky

[jloome]

Oh for fucks sake

I was about to say something about Bono being player of the year …

[benito]

Atrocious defending led to that pk

[noxx98]

Lol...

[notthesun]

Yeah we suck again

[OgtheDim]

Our defence is soooo bad but Bono goes into that with the sort of chop that will almost always mean a pen

[rydermike]

It's okay, the transfer window only closes tomorrow and Two-Weeks-Curtis, who hasn't looked at any players, should have plenty of time to find new reinforcements

[Kamp Berg]

Why is Bono still playing? Perez needs to remember why he cut him the first time!

[MightyDM]

What an earth was bono thinking? There was literally no need to go down there.

[jloome]

We came out lifeless

sure sign of an overpaid, overconfident team.

pretty fucking sad display so far.

But hey… transfer deadline is tomorrow, so still time!

fucking fire Curtis and Manning, get us a front office again.

we need players on the bench who’ll make the first team fear for their fucking jobs.

Instead, we resign a defender who proved he wasn’t good enough… and, as crap as he still is at this level, he’s our best defender right now.

Fucking shameful

[Yohan]

TFC pylons let Santos breeze by leaving Bono out dry again.

[tfcfans]

This was a loss before it started - This is likely one of their most difficult road games for the rest of the year along with the Colorado road game - the rest of the road schedule is not that intimidating....need to start getting Wins at home and not Ties though.....

[PizzaEatingYeti]

Well, this one is done and dusted.
We do not have a team who can score 2 goals without conceding at least one.

[OgtheDim]

No shots on target....just such an indictment of our offensive mentality.

Looking good but actually shooting?

[Thomas]

Is Jozy out there. Don’t see him.

[jloome]

Do they have any shame?

[Kamp Berg]

The defence desperately needs a leader and it’s proven that it doesn’t exist in this team.

[benito]

That was horrible defending again

[rydermike]

Last time we got blown out we fired Armas... Could this finally be the end of Curtis?

[noxx98]

Defence is too slow, forgets to track runners, too high up the pitch. Awful.

[daner90]

G'night Lads. No point in watching the full 90

[portu]

Jesus Christ

[jloome]

Is Jozy out there. Don’t see him.

he had a cross laid right on his head by Richie and was just late to it, missed it completely

the dude is an impediment, as he creates no havoc or movement in the box, and is predictable to defend

[RealG-TFC]

U7fjDS0jKiE

[rydermike]

This is going to end 4-0 maybe 4-1 if we're lucky
I was too optimistic

[bhandsome90]

Team lacks an offensive support leaving the best players isolated. Plus the team needs another CB and maybe Q needs to start since he can organize the backline and distribute better.

[jloome]

Last time we got blown out we fired Armas... Could this finally be the end of Curtis?
Maybe this is another silent work to rule protest. They wanted Armas gone, they laid down. Curtis did nothing to strengthen the roster and….

[Kamp Berg]

Fuck this. Time to stop pretending Toronto is making the playoffs and time to start fixing this team. Unfortunately Curtis is not the leadership that’s needed and nothing will improve before he’s replaced.

[portu]

Maybe this is another silent work to rule protest. They wanted Armas gone, they laid down. Curtis did nothing to strengthen the roster and….
One can hope. This is pathetic.

[rydermike]

Season's over. Time to start playing the kids the rest of the year

[jloome]

The basic problem is arrogance. Our first team is convinced it’s collectively better than the teams it’s facing

Hes often unfair but Caldwell is right, they have no fight, no urgency, no concentration.

We need to clean house on more than just the front office. We need a new roster.

when Mavinga is down, he’s basement down. When Bradley is overwhelmed, he’s ancient. Gonzalez is always asleep now — he’s already done his lazy “just shove the guy over” move twice.

we have essentially two players right now earning their pay: Osorio and Soteldo, maybe Richie in a pinch. the rest are just collecting paycheques.

time to rebuild, accept the winning era is over until that happens

[bhandsome90]

Does this team have any wingers to keep the formation wide? The WBs just aren't working.

[Kamp Berg]

The basic problem is arrogance. Our first team is convinced it’s collectively better than the teams it’s facing

Hes often unfair but Caldwell is right, they have no fight, no urgency, no concentration.

We need to clean house on more than just the front office. We need a new roster.

when Mavinga is down, he’s basement down. When Bradley is overwhelmed, he’s ancient. Gonzalez is always asleep now — he’s already done his lazy “just shove the guy over” move twice.

we have essentially two players right now earning their pay: Osorio and Soteldo, maybe Richie in a pinch. the rest are just collecting paycheques.

time to rebuild, accept the winning era is over until that happens

Well said, there are very few players earning their paycheques this year. Seems like there’s been a rot growing in this team since 2018.

[gracos]

Are they trading Pozuelo, for another player, who needs to be traded is Ali Curtis, lets do our proper homework and get the proper supports in place from the start, this isnt it, i hate to say it but Red Bull rejects arent good enough for our club and until Curtis is gone, its going to be no fun

[jloome]

Does this team have any wingers to keep the formation wide? The WBs just aren't working.

If Perez has any hope of keeping the job, he should bench multiple players. Accept that we’re going to probably lose more as a result, but send a message for the future.

my sense now is he’s too calm for this group. They need focussed and confident most of the time, but also a fergie boot tosser occasionally

they need a scare

[afelixrg]

Forget playoffs. Better start planning for next year. Get better defenders. We need 2 CBs and 1 new Altidore. I would scout South American leagues. There are cheap players over there. We pay too much and get nothing.

[OgtheDim]

I am of the strong opinion the man who has to step back in all this is Michael Bradley. His "we must keep going" mantra is starting to hollow out this team's ability to judge itself. Its become systemic thinking that "we are still good enough because of who we are". Some of you are calling that arrogance. I call it the inability to accept that people do not always remain good at their jobs.

[noxx98]

I know it won't happen, but if there was a game to rest Bradley it would be this one. This game is over.

The fact that Zavaleta is pushing up to provide width on the right is laughable.

[Kamp Berg]

This team is really starting to remind me of 2015, all imbalanced and needing a defensive leader.

[gracos]

it starts from top to bottom, cannot expect change from bottom up, get a proper management team then look at exploding this team, its time to rebuild

[bhandsome90]

This team is really starting to remind me of 2015, all imbalanced and needing a defensive leader.

When this team went to the MLS Cup last time it was Q who was organizing the backline and being that leader for the team. Before that, it was Moor.

[Kamp Berg]

I am of the strong opinion the man who has to step back in all this is Michael Bradley. His "we must keep going" mantra is starting to hollow out this team's ability to judge itself. Its become systemic thinking that "we are still good enough because of who we are". Some of you are calling that arrogance. I call it the inability to accept that people do not always remain good at their jobs.

I am frankly very surprised at how good Bradley has played this year, but I do think it’s time he passes the torch to Osorio. He’s the natural choice for the next captain and is in his prime now.

[Richard]

I am of the strong opinion the man who has to step back in all this is Michael Bradley. His "we must keep going" mantra is starting to hollow out this team's ability to judge itself. Its become systemic thinking that "we are still good enough because of who we are". Some of you are calling that arrogance. I call it the inability to accept that people do not always remain good at their jobs.

The fact he has played every minute of the regular season tells us all we need to know.

Management is stuck in 2018, and the players have not been given a realty check.

[benito]

It’s very depressing. So many areas need an overhaul. Poor keeper, poor defence, poor midfield, poor forwards.

[Kamp Berg]

When this team went to the MLS Cup last time it was Q who was organizing the backline and being that leader for the team. Before that, it was Moor.

A new Moor is what’s needed, instead Curtis brought in Gonzalez and wasted a lot of budget space for a player who was already passed his prime.

[gracos]

It’s very depressing. So many areas need an overhaul. Poor keeper, poor defence, poor midfield, poor forwards.

Poor management

[benito]

Poor management

Add that to the list

[rocktml]

I called it! I knew this game would get ugly, I just knew it! Magic and luck have ran out. This is NOT a playoff team. That 5 game unbeaten streak was pure luck.

Time to look long and hard at this squad. Altidore is no longer DP level. Soteldo Is NOT a DP game changer, doesn’t have that final 3rd emffff. Unfortunately we’re seeing pozuelo on a Steep decline wether be by injuries or just poor performances. Our back line speaks for its self.

[ag futbol]

Well, from the minute Armas left we have definitely been better but to me it’s clear the team isn’t good enough to compete for a cup and Curtis has to go.

So much more to talk about but:
- 2017 is done. Thank you to that group for its service but it appears many aren’t willing to compete in games now, time to move on.
- I stand by the idea Poz / Solteldo are not a natural duo. Curtis found a great player but it’s the wrong signing.
- Our defence still sucks

[MikeForbes]

We are never making the playoffs with this backline.

[glaze]

Honestly, the season always was a write off. We were optimistic they may make a run when they came home, but I think tonight just proves we're going nowhere.
Just enjoy the opportunity if you want to go to ganes in person, or enjoy carrying all your ssh funds over to next year.

[jloome]

I am of the strong opinion the man who has to step back in all this is Michael Bradley. His "we must keep going" mantra is starting to hollow out this team's ability to judge itself. Its become systemic thinking that "we are still good enough because of who we are". Some of you are calling that arrogance. I call it the inability to accept that people do not always remain good at their jobs.

An inability to accept their level is pretty much the definition of arrogant, so I’ll agree with that, and your take on Bradley.

Buyt it’s worse; as Deguzman said they don’t talk, they don’t act like they like each other.

I think Mavinga is a negative locker room influence, he has a history of it, a d I think he and Omar don’t talk.

when Perez took over, Gonzalez was visibly coaching position to the line. After two games that disappeared. I think Mavinga rejected it.

we need to wipe the defensive slate clean, sign a new back line and some offensive talent that is dynamic to compliment Soteldo and Richie

[benito]

Kilbane is holding nothing back and all of his comments have been correct.

[OgtheDim]

Kilbane bringing the fire talking about accountability.

Followed by the "considering the history of these players" WHICH IS MUCH OF THE PROBLEM!

No accountability because these guys have nobody calling them out or if they do, they stopped listening to them because "We know how good we are so we just got to get back there"

[MikeForbes]

An inability to accept their level is pretty much the definition of arrogant, so I’ll agree with that, and your take on Bradley.

Buyt it’s worse; as Deguzman said they don’t talk, they don’t act like they like each other.

I think Mavinga is a negative locker room influence, he has a history of it, a d I think he and Omar don’t talk.

when Perez took over, Gonzalez was visibly coaching position to the line. After two games that disappeared. I think Mavinga rejected it.

we need to wipe the defensive slate clean, sign a new back line and some offensive talent that is dynamic to compliment Soteldo and Richie

Mavinga has been a massive disappointment this year and has largely avoided getting called out for it. Gonzalez gets all the blame, but there are two guys (three tonight) on that backline and Mavinga has been getting beat on a regular basis this season.

[Richard]

None of these players are everyday starters in this league anymore.

A. Bono
M. Bradley
J. Altidore
D. Dwyer
O. González
E. Zavaleta
J. Morrow

It's time to move on.

[rydermike]

It’s very depressing. So many areas need an overhaul. Poor keeper, poor defence, poor midfield, poor forwards.

And it's the highest paid team in the league

[jloome]

Mavinga has been a massive disappointment this year and has largely avoided getting called out for it. Gonzalez gets all the blame, but there are two guys (three tonight) on that backline and Mavinga has been getting beat on a regular basis this season.

he’s been inert tonight, fucking useless. Twice, he moved so slowly thaT Zavaleta had to cover AND Mavinga got in his way.

[SirBobSaget]

Does this team have any wingers to keep the formation wide? The WBs just aren't working.

Shaffelburg, not a world beater but gtta be better than this. He's not even on the bench, injured?

[jloome]

Quick movement to start.

perez Said something.

probably too late.

[MikeForbes]

he’s been inert tonight, fucking useless. Twice, he moved so slowly thaT Zavaleta had to cover AND Mavinga got in his way.

Looks like someone agreed with us.

[Richard]

Curtis at this point is a lame duck GM. Only reason he isnt gone is because of the new contract and optics, while were still mathematically in playoffs he wont be fired.

[gracos]

i was shocked that no TFC players were called to even be on the bench for the Allstar game this year, but was brought back to reality by todays performance

[OgtheDim]

Ok with that switch....


still waiting for a shot on net

[OgtheDim]

Shaffelburg, not a world beater but gtta be better than this. He's not even on the bench, injured?


Yes he's injured

[rydermike]

Finally something

[jloome]

Lifeline

changes nothing. Even if we somehow miracle our way to a point here, the first half showed what a deep, deep roster issue this is.

annnnnd we got lucky

[OgtheDim]

Not sure that's a pen....

[gracos]

Finally something

What did i miss

[rydermike]

still waiting for a shot on net
There you go. From a missed penalty

[ag futbol]

None of these players are everyday starters in this league anymore.

A. Bono
M. Bradley
J. Altidore
D. Dwyer
O. González
E. Zavaleta
J. Morrow

It's time to move on.
Not only that, some of those names are questionable depth.

This Bradley plays every minute thing has to end NOW. He’s out there for a mid week jog right now.

[MikeForbes]

Guess the Seba comparisons are apt for Soteldo...

[OgtheDim]

Good save

&


If that was a pen on us, we'd be muttering "Justice"

[Richard]

VAR is still shit. That was a dive.

[rydermike]

What did i miss
We got a PK, that we missed

[jloome]

Deserved miss

i get the notion Soteldo isn’t a great set piece taker.

hes had Three free kicks without troubling a goalie at all, and now a penalty save. Reminds me of Plata that way, genuine lack of power in the finish.

still, it was a bad call, so justice I guess…

[benito]

That pk should have been overruled. I guess karma fixed what VAR didn’t.

[MikeForbes]

Also, Andre Blake is the best keeper in MLS.

[portu]

This teams mental must be f u c k e d

[jloome]

Also, Andre Blake is the best keeper in MLS.
Him or Matt Turner. Turners a fucking wall.

[OgtheDim]

Also, Andre Blake is the best keeper in MLS.


We are truly back to the days when the best players in the game are ALWAYS somebody on the other team (when Poz is out).

[jloome]

This teams mental must be f u c k e d
Seems clear they’re not a team in the locker room.

[rydermike]

Play the kids. It's over. Get them experience

Perruzza for Jozy
Priso for Bradley
Achara for Delgado
Singh for Omar

Deleon Singh Zavaleta Lawrence
Laryea Priso Osorio
Achara Perruzza Soteldo

[ag futbol]

That one is marginal but I have to take issue with the way MLS is officiated around the box. In other leagues defenders are actually forced to be careful inside the 18 to avoid fouling. In MLS, you get softer officiating than elsewhere on the field and tons of leeway. Makes for crappy football

[MikeForbes]

Get Jozy off. Sick of him barely moving.

[MightyDM]

i dont agree with Caldwell. Laryea isnt right this season, including tonight.

[gracos]

Get Jozy off. Sick of him barely moving.

I 2nd this, he has lost his will to perform, very sluggish

[OgtheDim]

And there's Richie gone until mid September....

[MikeForbes]

Let's see if Achara is good or just another Bitcoin Bro.

[Auzzy]

The defence desperately needs a leader and it’s proven that it doesn’t exist in this team.

The midfield doesn't have a leader either.

I also don't think Osorio would make a good captain. I don't think he has the right attitude for it.

Laryea has been pretty good tonight, but has looked tired since the start of the game. He's been overplayed, and I'm not surprised he's injured now.

[MightyDM]

Bono rarely commands the box like Blake just did.

[Richard]

Here we go round the merry go round, another day, another injury. :facepalm:

[Kamp Berg]

The midfield doesn't have a leader either.

I also don't think Osorio would make a good captain. I don't think he has the right attitude for it.

Laryea has been pretty good tonight, but has looked tired since the start of the game. He's been overplayed, and I'm not surprised he's injured now.

He seems to have captained well for Canada.

Laryea has definitely been off this season. Like a lot of TFC players.

[gracos]

our medical staff hasnt improved at all, which shows maybe even Manning should go, a proper medical team is essential to limiting injuries and making sure our players are match fit

[Kamp Berg]

I think Perez needs to consider playing a 4-1-4-1, anything to try and shield the backline.

[ag futbol]

The problem with this situation is Perez is a caretaker and half auditioning for the full time gig. He has no incentive to develop anyone, even though this situation screams to put a few of our young guys in and tell some of the under performing vets to take a seat.

[Thomas]

The Six million Dollar man is just dead wood at this point in time.


Get Jozy off. Sick of him barely moving.

[MikeForbes]

Get Bradley and Altidore off. I truly want to see what this team would look like without them.

[Auzzy]

He seems to have captained well for Canada.

Laryea has definitely been off this season. Like a lot of TFC players.

Laryea looked great against Mexico and in other Canada games. I think he's dead tired by now. Also a number of players looked great for Canada because the team is well organized and well motivated. Not something you can say for TFC. Laryea shouldn't be playing full games after his international adventure.

[MikeForbes]

The summer of Mullinho!

[OgtheDim]

The official word is "fatigue"

That's possibly slightly better then "Precautionary" - that phrasing usually means 2 weeks.

[jloome]

Perez seems to be handling this as best he can. He’s subbed out the problem players, changed formation and put in guys who want to prove value for more Minutes.

[OgtheDim]

Moulinho just not used to how slow Bradley is.


*********

Philly just trolling us now bringing out people who couldn't legally watch an R rated film.

[jloome]

Moulinho just not used to how slow Bradley is.

Yeah, there was nothing wrong with the ball, Bradley was three steps too slow.

[Kamp Berg]

Yeah, there was nothing wrong with the ball, Bradley was three steps too slow.

If Bradley cared about TFC more than his ego, he would have limited his minutes a long time ago.

[Richard]

I've switched to women's beach volley ball, much more eye pleasing.

[OgtheDim]

If Bradley cared about TFC more than his ego, he would have limited his minutes a long time ago.


Every once in a while, the mics pick up a guy in the Philly crowd who is actually quite bright in his comments - recently said "Should have retired 2 years ago!"

[jloome]

It’s telling how much better we look without Maving and Altidore on the pitch. Mullins looks active (he’s a good fucking player! He just got injured a lot and had to play for Ben Olsen) Achara looks up for it, Peruzza defends.

id rather lose with a team giving its all than watch a bunch of primadonnas luck the odd point out of lazy, capitulating performances.

[MikeForbes]

Mullinho may or may not be our most creative player on the field. That is not a good thing.

[OgtheDim]

Can Bradley & Omar get yellows, please. Not sure I want to see them on Saturday, to be honest.

[ag futbol]

Anti vaxxer has an awful first touch

[jloome]

Caldwell calling that right

[Kamp Berg]

Every once in a while, the mics pick up a guy in the Philly crowd who is actually quite bright in his comments - recently said "Should have retired 2 years ago!"

Well, the guy is definitely right in one respect, Bradley is hurting his legacy at this point. It’s kind of sad when people are so blind to their own limitations.

[jloome]

This is just time killing bullshit. They shoudl card this shit if the player continues uninjured

edit: okay I take it back, looks like he tweaked his back

….maybe while rolling around as if shot

[jloome]

Well, the guy is definitely right in one respect, Bradley is hurting his legacy at this point. It’s kind of sad when people are so blind to their own limitations.

Mavinga, Bradley, Bono, Jozy should all sit next game.

[MikeForbes]

Asking for Michael Bradley to sit is like asking your internet provider to stop sending you the bill.

[Richard]

Perez has got nothing to loose by ruffling feathers. I want to see him bench all the vets.

[OgtheDim]

Watching all these kids from their academy play versus our "we have to play these guys to succeed" team is just soooo...painful. I know Vanney got the academy going but refusing to play the kids at all is just so sad.

[Richard]

Asking for Michael Bradley to sit is like asking your internet provider to stop sending you the bill.

No one is bigger than the club. Time for our management to grow some balls.

[gracos]

Kaboom from top to bottom

[OgtheDim]

You know you are an addict when you stick through these 7 minutes...

[Kamp Berg]

Mavinga, Bradley, Bono, Jozy should all sit next game.

I would include a few of players who need a rest. Seems foolish to push players to exhaustion for a few more points. It’s obvious that the holes are too big in this roster to overcome the horrible start to this season anyway.

[MightyDM]

We really aren't that good at the moment. And need to think of ourselves that way.

[gracos]

The announcer is providing excuses for TFCs management and its poor performance this evening; i thought he works for TSN not TFC lol

[Kamp Berg]

You know you are an addict when you stick through these 7 minutes...

Feels like an addiction this year :(

[ag futbol]

Compared to Kilbane, Caldwell sounds like a drunk truck driver on meth attempting to read Shakespeare

[OgtheDim]

I would include a few of players who need a rest. Seems foolish to push players to exhaustion for a few more points. It’s obvious that the holes are too big in this roster to overcome the horrible start to this season anyway.


I wish they would do that but this team is addicted to "when we just put it together, we are going to..." thinking.

[rydermike]

; i thought he works for TSN not TFC lol
Same owner owns TSN and TFC

[MikeForbes]

Compared to Kilbane, Caldwell sounds like a drunk truck driver on meth attempting to read Shakespeare

How anyone could possibly want this guy to be the teams coach is completely beyond me.

[jloome]

Bradley not even bothering to move across and cover his man. Zavs had to come out. disgraceful.

[MikeForbes]

I appreciate Mullins out there basically coaching Perruzza on the field. He is giving him feedback every stoppage in play. Jozy would just put his hands on his hips and walk somewhere.

[gracos]

time for the big kaboom

[jloome]

Shameful display.

disgraceful lack of effort and cohesion

just shameful.

Time to start making it known at home games that change is required. A TIFO on sacking Curtis might be a nice start, for anyone inclined.

[Kamp Berg]

I wish they would do that but this team is addicted to "when we just put it together, we are going to..." thinking.

True. That sort of tunnel vision only works if one is able to step back and honestly evaluate themselves. Otherwise it just ends with delusion and failure. It was fine when all the pieces were there, that hasn’t been the case for since Moor and Vasquez left.

[OgtheDim]

Feels like an addiction this year :(


I enjoy the fact there is a team - just wish the team could make it a little more enjoyable. When they were consistantly crap but we all knew it, including them, it wasn't all that bad. But this..this constant "We are better then this" thinking is just so debilitating.


BTW, the mental excuse tonight will be "without Pozuelo..." They are not going to say it, but that's what it is going to be.

[MightyDM]

Thank god thats over. We are in real trouble.

[MightyDM]

I enjoy the fact there is a team - just wish the team could make it a little more enjoyable. When they were consistantly crap but we all knew it, including them, it wasn't all that bad. But this..this constant "We are better then this" thinking is just so debilitating.


BTW, the mental excuse tonight will be "without Pozuelo..." They are not going to say it, but that's what it is going to be.

I sure hope not. they had a number one line up and were very poor indeed. Lots of blame to go around.

[benito]

Tonight’s commentary has been the most critical of tfc that I think have ever heard from tsn.

They are running out of ways to sugarcoat their poor performances.

[MightyDM]

True. That sort of tunnel vision only works if one is able to step back and honestly evaluate themselves. Otherwise it just ends with delusion and failure. It was fine when all the pieces were there, that hasn’t been the case for since Moor and Vasquez left.

And Seba

[jloome]

I appreciate Mullins out there basically coaching Perruzza on the field. He is giving him feedback every stoppage in play. Jozy would just put his hands on his hips and walk somewhere.

They and Achara looked like they want to play. Reward it in the next game, Perez.

Sit the effortless, play the ones who are hungry.

never thought I’d see Michael Bradley quit running to win balls, let alone multiple times in one game.

Just sad.

[OgtheDim]

I appreciate Mullins out there basically coaching Perruzza on the field. He is giving him feedback every stoppage in play. .



Oh my gawd but...you know.....that might have been the TFC highlight of the night

[ag futbol]

Shameful display.

disgraceful lack of effort and cohesion

just shameful.

Time to start making it known at home games that change is required. A TIFO on sacking Curtis might be a nice start, for anyone inclined.
This team has no motivation. 3 of our 4 highest paid players in the starting 11 were not just bad, they were downright liabilities.

[Auzzy]

A few minutes ago, half decent chance, Achara gets the ball at the back post, but nobody fucking crashed the box. It was all open in the middle, could have been an easy tap-in for somebody. But everyone except the two directly involved were watching or jogging.

I do think Perez improved things with his subs and formation change. 0-0 2nd half is much better than the 3-0 1st half (plus obviously Philly didn't need to try anymore). But the motivation or commitment or fitness or whatever, just wasn't there for long.

I think Bradley's play, guaranteed 90-minute position, and salary are a problem. $1.5 million for a non-DP chews up lots of our allocation money. I'll check the game stats later, but I also thought Osorio was pretty invisible tonight.

[OgtheDim]

The 7-1 felt bad but you knew it was on the coach


This feels bad but we know its ALL on the players


He won't do it, but he has to sit a lot of these people on Saturday. Let the kids get burnt a bit by NYC. At least we know they will hustle.

[Auzzy]

The 7-1 felt bad but you knew it was on the coach

This feels bad but we know its ALL on the players

He won't do it, but he has to sit a lot of these people on Saturday. Let the kids get burnt a bit by NYC. At least we know they will hustle.

Sadly, I also think there's a frequent lack of hustle by many (but not all) young Canadians on the team. I've seen it over the years: so many seem to have been a middle-sized fish in the very small pond of Canadian soccer before the come to TFC. Sometimes they think something is owed to them; or they think they have to act "cool" on the big stage; or they just don't seem to realize the raw effort that is needed for any newcomer to succeed.

Good night, that was a game I would rather soon forget...

[ag futbol]

Sadly, I also think there's a frequent lack of hustle by many (but not all) young Canadians on the team. I've seen it over the years: so many seem to have been a middle-sized fish in the very small pond of Canadian soccer before the come to TFC. Sometimes they think something is owed to them; or they think they have to act "cool" on the big stage; or they just don't seem to realize the raw effort that is needed for any newcomer to succeed.

Good night, that was a game I would rather soon forget...
While I think there’s an element of truth here, it’s fair to say we’re doing a crap job developing amd retaining young talent. A pay-for-play academy / pseudo agency is producing far more professional players, right under our noses. Our best prospects under our roof frequently wave goodbye for Europe without much of a second thought.

It’s time to go down to TFCA and clean house

[reggie]

we have one of the highest payrolls in the league,its 2yrs too late with this roster,time to rebuild but not with curtis

[gracos]

we have one of the highest payrolls in the league,its 2yrs too late with this roster,time to rebuild but not with curtis

I 2nd this, Curtis needs to go now, we gave him a few weeks to show if their would be any drastic changes to the club, their havent been, and as well the transfer window is open, whether getting rid of surplus and/or reinforcing our team, im ashamed that nothing has been done considering the current club picture

[reggie]

maybe it wasnt armas,its just a shit roster,they got lucky and a bit of spike coming home,our PEP says tonight that we were due to have a game like tonight,lol.get this clown out of here

[jloome]

Perez strikes me as a competent and sensible manager, albeit not a motivator

He’s not the best we can do. He’s never had a head coach gig with adults and now is not the time for us to appoint someone learning the role

The real issue is an arrogant lineup that has largely aged out.

That Curtis reiterated on video last week that he thinks this is a strong competitive roster just highlights both his glaring incompetence and Manning’s for putting faith in him.

They’re both frauds or arrogant idiots and they should both be fired post haste.

Bench Mavinga, bench Jozy, bench Bradley. Even when they’re trying It’s like watching a forty year old Sugar Ray getting his ass kicked by Terry Norris, it’s just sad and embarrassing.

[reggie]

im glad we sorted out our D probs,a goal on a throw in the other night,a guy scores with the back of his head not even looking at the net on a corner,bono is bono nice tackle wrong sport,gonzo the 18 wheeler that cant turn,so now we cant score,cant play d and are boring has hell.

[Auzzy]

While I think there’s an element of truth here, it’s fair to say we’re doing a crap job developing amd retaining young talent. A pay-for-play academy / pseudo agency is producing far more professional players, right under our noses. Our best prospects under our roof frequently wave goodbye for Europe without much of a second thought.

It’s time to go down to TFCA and clean house

I agree that both TFCA and TFC are a huge problem. I really got that feeling again when watching the CMNT recently. Thinking of the number of great players from the GTA and Ontario that never got a sniff from TFC; or were let go a long time ago.

But even some Sigma grads (just as one example) seem to have issues with motivation and effort when they're given a chance in MLS.

[jloome]

Perez says in the post game interview that there were signs before the game they would come out flat.

I have to believe if they were demotivated it has to be because we either have a lot of bad attitudes, or the lack of roster help was noted by everyone.

There's one day to the window and we have a defensive corps that clearly doesn't believe in each other.

I mean, how do we even react to that? Obviously the personality problems run deep and he's trying to manage them. He made the right changes in the second half but...

He wouldn't hang Mavinga though when given a chance. "When we succeed, we succeed together, when we fail, we fail together."

"We didn't have the right mentality," he says. "We came flat. It doesn't matter which formation or how you plan the game we need to get into the right mentality, right energy to play and compete, especially against a team like Philadelphia, who we know are all energy."

[jloome]

Bradley:

"We weren't ready for their energy or intensity."

Then hangs Richie for the miss, says Philly got a freebie as third goal was offside (it wasn't.)

Trying not to shit on his team, while continually rubbing his earlobe and looking like he wants to blow up. "If you play against a team that relies on energy, mobility and intensity and tries to be dynamic.... they're a team that's.... it's a transition football team that wants to make the game fast and chaotic in some circumstances -- and I don't say that in a negative way (just tactical)."

"The game starts and for different reasons we're not really ready for that..."

Does anyone press him on the 'different reasons'? No. Fuck. Come on, John, don't ignore your own obvious followup for fear of offending. He put it out there.

"James with all due respect with our position right now and the way the season has gone, we can't afford to have any more nights like this. So is it a cause for concern? It's another night similar to too many we've had this year and if we want to claw ourselves back into it, we can't afford it. Every game matters, every point matters, so it's a frustrating night."

Notes the positive of the night was Achara who has "worked so hard" to get back. "To see him work his way back to see him get on the field tonight... that part was amazing and we're all happy for the guy."

[reggie]

I agree that both TFCA and TFC are a huge problem. I really got that feeling again when watching the CMNT recently. Thinking of the number of great players from the GTA and Ontario that never got a sniff from TFC; or were let go a long time ago.

But even some Sigma grads (just as one example) seem to have issues with motivation and effort when they're given a chance in MLS.
the likes of priso,nelson and some others beat their peers a couple of years ago and other age groups always do well v other mls acads

[MikeForbes]

The huge fear that everyone involved in the club, including the media, seems to have of pissing off Michael Bradley off is a huge issue. Is the guy that intimidating?

[reggie]

The huge fear that everyone involved in the club, including the media, seems to have of pissing off Michael Bradley off is a huge issue. Is the guy that intimidating?
i love MB,but enough is enough,LAFC are down 3 nil at home tonight maybe he join his dad and then come back to become TFC prez in a couple of years

[jloome]

The huge fear that everyone involved in the club, including the media, seems to have of pissing off Michael Bradley off is a huge issue. Is the guy that intimidating?

I don't think his external messaging is helping but I also don't think it reflects what he's telling his colleagues. He's a "wouldn't say shit if I had a mouthful" team guy, so you can't go by that.

I don't think he recognizes his own limitations, in terms of speed and mobility compared to a few years ago. There are games when he's still very good, but most he's too far behind the play.

I think he's a battler, but time marches on and he should sit occasionally, at the very least. But he's far from our biggest problem, perhaps more a contributor to it by not airing anything. Internalizing that shit never helps.

[Derko]

It just kills me when we are down by a few goals and our opponents sub in pimply faced 12 year olds and they are running circles around TFC's veterans, also we have a huge problem when Zavs is our best central defender. It is okay to sub a player when playing poorly, so sub off Bradley when he isn't performing FFS.

[Derko]

Remind me what was that Danny Koevermans line.

[leedsandTFC]

bradley, jozy, morrow, gonzalez at a minimum need to be out this summer.

we need to get so much younger and more athletic.

so much complacency, so little drive, so little desire in this side.

[gracos]

one day to get the signings complete which is today, and if it isnt finalized; im certain Curtis and Manning must leave; they had multiple months to getting players in/out and they decide they need to make no changes, i hope this isnt the case but if that is neglected its obvious TFC want our money without putting out a good product

[James17930]

bradley, jozy, morrow, gonzalez at a minimum need to be out this summer.

we need to get so much younger and more athletic.

so much complacency, so little drive, so little desire in this side.

Exactly my thoughts. I've been saying this since last season. We're too old and slow. It's time for a rebuild.

And this season is over. Play the kids.

[ag futbol]

Bradley:

"We weren't ready for their energy or intensity."

Then hangs Richie for the miss, says Philly got a freebie as third goal was offside (it wasn't.)

Trying not to shit on his team, while continually rubbing his earlobe and looking like he wants to blow up. "If you play against a team that relies on energy, mobility and intensity and tries to be dynamic.... they're a team that's.... it's a transition football team that wants to make the game fast and chaotic in some circumstances -- and I don't say that in a negative way (just tactical)."

Someone should ask him about his own performance. He was the lowest intensity player on the whole field.

[SarniaTFC]

No other way to say it. Utter garbage, lack of hunger, lack of urgency, lack of creativity and let’s not even get into the back line. An absolute shambles at the back, unfit for the job and it needs urgent fixing.
Finally heading back down to Toronto and BMO on Saturday and after that performance last night it’s really hard to get up and excited for it, of course the atmosphere will be fantastic to be back in amongst but the football is hard to get excited for.

[Ultra & Proud]

If Perez sees the players were going to come out flat then the answer is to start the kids. Bench the rest. Sure there will be mistakes and we'd probably lose but at least the compete factor would have been there.

But I agree with the above; got to dump Curtis at the end of the season BUT have a new guy lined up soon and plan for a solid roster re-shuffle in the off season. This core has been ridden as far as they're going to take us.

Edit - and Atlanta is probably going to hire Pineda who is the best MLS experienced manager possibility on the board because Curtis never even bothered to interview him after firing Armas or last off season when Pineda was doing the interview rounds. As expected he chose the simplest option that fell in his lap. If he is stays through this offseason I bet we resign a lot of players who should be let go (Omar, maybe even Jozy) and nobody else of consequence then hear the same refrain of "They're a championship squad. They have that swagger and mindset".

And if we're being honest, some people say team's take on the personality of the managers and I think we did with Vanney and to some degree Armas. If there's one word that Perez brings to mind in the time I have seen him it's flat. Or dull.

[OgtheDim]

I would not look into Perez managerial capability too much based on this experience.

I'm not sure he is the best choice moving forward but the situation he has been put in is difficult in so many ways. He has tried to bring clarity, which is good. But this team needed to go through a transition starting in 2020 & that was delayed by Covid & a run to the final that seems to have put all thoughts of a need for change to pasture.

[Yohan]

If this is a one off result, eh.

If this result happens again, then it's a problem

[ag futbol]

If this is a one off result, eh.

If this result happens again, then it's a problem
I don’t know if this was simply mid week blues but the team looks roundly unmotivated. Not Perez’s fault but it feels like we have bigger issues going on.

[jloome]

I don’t know if this was simply mid week blues but the team looks roundly unmotivated. Not Perez’s fault but it feels like we have bigger issues going on.

Based on his personal history of speaking his mind, being annoyed etc. I would be stunned if Mavinga wants to partner Omar.

They never talk during the game. They never congratulate each other. The only time I ever see them converse is when Chris barks at Omar for blowing positional assignment.

Don't get me wrong, Mavinga was the much worse of the two the other night and it may be that his attitude is contributing to the problem rather than resolving it.

But when our defence has one competent -- but aging -- central defender and keeps playing two guys who aren't good enough, you can imagine the third guy is going to be none too happy.

Based on everything said by Perez and Bradley, I think they found out we're not making any roster moves in this window and that was all it took to suck the life out of the room.

[ag futbol]

Based on his personal history of speaking his mind, being annoyed etc. I would be stunned if Mavinga wants to partner Omar.

They never talk during the game. They never congratulate each other. The only time I ever see them converse is when Chris barks at Omar for blowing positional assignment.

Don't get me wrong, Mavinga was the much worse of the two the other night and it may be that his attitude is contributing to the problem rather than resolving it.

But when our defence has one competent -- but aging -- central defender and keeps playing two guys who aren't good enough, you can imagine the third guy is going to be none too happy.

Based on everything said by Perez and Bradley, I think they found out we're not making any roster moves in this window and that was all it took to suck the life out of the room.
Sort of goes back to poor roster construction by Curtis. You have no leader in your CB tandem and neither keeper is overly vocal (although Q is better than Bono in this category).

If this organization had any sense of accoutabolity, Curtis would have been sent packing several times over by now. We are the NY Knicks of MLS. Our performance vs. Our salaries are a disgrace