Official: Chris Armas has been fired

[rydermike]

This deserves its own thread instead of being in the other one


https://twitter.com/TorontoFC/status/1411743570982326274?s=20

[troy1982]

thank god

[rocktml]

Step in the right direction but too late I’m afraid

[Inklink]

Too late. And what about Ali Curtis?

[MikeForbes]

Really interested in the spin they put on this for the presser. Both Ali and Manning look almost as bad as Armas in all of this. Whatever about how bad Armas was, these guys hired him and talked him up as the next big thing and had to fire him 6 or so months after they hired him.

[ag futbol]

Thank god this has come to a close. But it never should have got this bad. Shame on Curtis and Manning for letting things slide this far.

As a side note, Chris seems like a genuinely nice guy. Not the right manger for us but I wish him the best in the future.

[SilverSamurai]

Really interested in the spin they put on this for the presser. Both Ali and Manning look almost as bad as Armas in all of this. Whatever about how bad Armas was, these guys hired him and talked him up as the next big thing and had to fire him 6 or so months after they hired him.

Also curious to hear how they spin this, although I don't expect much more than "we tried him out, it didn't work and wish him the best of luck" or something to that effect.
Who's going to be filling in for the interim though? But let's be honest, even if they coach the team to a 5-0 loss, it'll still be an improvement.

Maybe call Preki back? :hide:

[Richard]

Now would also be the time for the journos to press the issue regarding Altidore.

[Oldtimer]

Also curious to hear how they spin this, although I don't expect much more than "we tried him out, it didn't work and wish him the best of luck" or something to that effect.
Who's going to be filling in for the interim though? But let's be honest, even if they coach the team to a 5-0 loss, it'll still be an improvement.

Maybe call Preki back? :hide:

I realize you're joking, but fun fact: Preki's points per game were more than double Armas'.

[PizzaEatingYeti]

Too late. And what about Ali Curtis?

Like we all were afraid of, he's considered immaculate by his superiors, so he's got another life, he will be fired only if a new coach (not interim) will also be a total disaster. In other words probably we are still "blessed" with Ali for maybe another year.

[ag futbol]

Like we all were afraid of, he's considered immaculate by his superiors, so he's got another life, he will be fired only if a new coach (not interim) will also be a total disaster. In other words probabbly we are still "blessed" with Ali for maybe another year.
Almost as immaculate as our prolonged offseason search for a coach that literally yielded the worst candidate possible.

[MikeForbes]

Now would also be the time for the journos to press the issue regarding Altidore.

Gotta think the Altidore thing goes beyond Armas and involves Curtis and Manning. They did takes Armas' side and it isn't like he has been the happiest player here over the past two seasons.

[Red CB Toronto]

In Carver we trust , love that guy. Bring him back !!

[Richard]

Oh and I hope we can stick a fork in the whole press philosophy. Please get us a sensible manager who knows the strengths and weaknesses of players.

[Smokecell]

With Armas finally out and BMO on the horizon I’m cautiously optimistic for the first time in a long time. Problem is the guy that hired Armas is still there, so there’s every chance that the replacement is equally bad.

[MikeForbes]

Maybe we should keep Armas...

https://twitter.com/MichaelSingh94/status/1411751093256687617?s=20

[Bushmancan]

Window opens on the 7th, if Curtis did have something up his sleeve now would be the time to play the Jozy card, but I suspect he doesn't and time to play the weasel card and welcome Jozy back with open arms.... btw if Jozy wants to be back. I want him back.

[Canary10]

Maybe we should keep Armas...

https://twitter.com/MichaelSingh94/status/1411751093256687617?s=20

He’s been on the Canada MNT coaching staff hasn’t he?

[reggie]

i will hire armas to train me for my next interview,what the hell did he say that blew away these 2 donkeys.
atta boy chris 15 games and 3 yrs pay.

[Bushmancan]

Maybe that's why they have been using Vic Reuter, knowing this was coming all along. LOL.

[Auzzy]

Maybe we should keep Armas...

https://twitter.com/MichaelSingh94/status/1411751093256687617?s=20

On the other hand, at least he wouldn't be calling the games anymore.... :D

[notthesun]

Thank god. Bad hire when it was made, worse hire in practice.

[reggie]

On the other hand, at least he wouldn't be calling the games anymore.... :D
if thats the case can they give a job to wheeler also

[Oldtimer]

In Carver we trust , love that guy. Bring him back !!

MLS refs haven't improved any. :wink5:

I liked him at the time, but Carver belongs in the past.

[Ultra & Proud]

i will hire armas to train me for my next interview,what the hell did he say that blew away these 2 donkeys.
atta boy chris 15 games and 3 yrs pay.
I'm saving his "I know there's a problem. I don't know how to fix it but I will work at it really hard. I believe am the right man for the job" when my yearly review comes up.

[MikeForbes]

They should be on the horn to Seattle asking for permission to talk to Pineda. You know, someone who actually deserves a chance to be a manager.

[ag futbol]

Maybe we should keep Armas...

https://twitter.com/MichaelSingh94/status/1411751093256687617?s=20
Do people who write this crap have two pebbles between their ears?

This is textbook nepotism. Caldwell has zero qualifications, has taken no meaningful steps towards being a coach with enough qualifications to manage TFC.

[reggie]

They should be on the horn to Seattle asking for permission to talk to Pineda. You know, someone who actually deserves a chance to be a manager.
yes...but did he play with ali or manning at any time in his career

[gracos]

please name an interim coach in the mean time, while this season is still possible to get to the playoffs; its highly unlikely, however we can use the time to do a proper search for a proven coach to get us proven results, no more rushing and no more signing of your best buddy

[Oldtimer]

They should be on the horn to Seattle asking for permission to talk to Pineda. You know, someone who actually deserves a chance to be a manager.

Does he have coaching certificates? I'm so done with people who think they are too smart or are too lazy to get their tags.

[MikeForbes]

Do people who write this crap have two pebbles between their ears?

This is textbook nepotism. Caldwell has zero qualifications, has taken no meaningful steps towards being a coach with enough qualifications to manage TFC.

I like Singh, but he 100% wants Caldwell to manage because he knows he will start Priso. He is WTRs new Fraser.

[Richard]

Do people who write this crap have two pebbles between their ears?

This is textbook nepotism. Caldwell has zero qualifications, has taken no meaningful steps towards being a coach with enough qualifications to manage TFC.

Yeah its quite ridiculous. TFC needs a seasoned man manager along with being good with tactics. Caldwell is so MLS 1.0

[Luanda]

2 weeks for the interim to be named!

[gracos]

the board (Manning and Curtis) should skype, zoom, or teleconference the supporter groups to get their opinions on what type of coach we want for the club and what requirements he should have, similiar to the Sounders Front Office, after all it is the supporter groups and fans who give them their pay cheques, no more signing of buddies and back door deals, they figuratively slapped us fans all in the face with appointing Armas, a coaching license should be bare minimum to coach our club

[MikeForbes]

Does he have coaching certificates? I'm so done with people who think they are too smart or are too lazy to get their tags.

Can't really find anything on Pineda's coaching credentials outside of him being an assistant in Seattle and him having turned down the DCU job in the winter.

[rydermike]

i will hire armas to train me for my next interview,what the hell did he say that blew away these 2 donkeys.
atta boy chris 15 games and 3 yrs pay.

"Ali, Remember when you got fired for disagreeing with Jesse Marsch in New York? I won't do that."

"You're hired!"

[reggie]

they play weds and then have 10 days off,plz no more rolodex lazy hires

[MikeForbes]

they play weds and then have 10 days off,plz no more rolodex lazy hires

Yep. Throw one of Armas' assistants or Munoz out there Wednesday to manage and go from there.

[MightyDM]

Neil Davidson must read these boards - tweets about “The Chris Armas” https://twitter.com/neilmdavidson/status/1411756100391686145?s=21

[reggie]

i wonder if there is any truth to the petrovic rumour last week

[Bushmancan]

Can we do some sort of bet or poll until the presser at 4pm....

[noxx98]

Can we do some sort of bet or poll until the presser at 4pm....
I'll put my money on someone internal taking over in an interim capacity - Munoz, Dichio, etc.

I'm curious what they do with the rest of the coaching staff. Nearly everyone who came in was Armas's people. Do they clean the full house and start clean or does the supporting cast get to stay?

[rydermike]

I'll put my money on someone internal taking over in an interim capacity - Munoz, Dichio, etc.

I'm curious what they do with the rest of the coaching staff. Nearly everyone who came in was Armas's people. Do they clean the full house and start clean or does the supporting cast get to stay?

I'd say the supporting staff stays until they get someone permanent, who can then decide. Game in three days, and you know Ali and Manning were not firing Armas until yesterday. They have no one on their list yet.

I could see Munoz coaching the first team on Wednesday and still coaching TFC2 on Friday for their game

[OgtheDim]

I take no comfort in seeing a person fired


But


I know that what is best has been done


Onwards & upwards

[noxx98]

In terms of coaching licenses, here's what some internal people have... I have no idea what these different levels mean, but people in our organization have them.

Caldwell - UEFA A https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevencaldwell/?originalSubdomain=ca
Dichio - UEFA B, USSF A and B https://www.torontofc.ca/news/dichio-named-canadian-national-team-coaching-staff-concacaf-qualifiers
Munoz - USSF Pro https://www.torontofc.ca/news/mike-mu-oz-named-toronto-fc-ii-head-coach
Dunfield - Canada A https://www.canadasoccer.com/news/canada-soccer-announces-coach-education-program-licence-recipients/
Capotosto (Acadamy Director) - Canada B, USSF C and Y https://varsityblues.ca/staff-directory/anthony-capotosto/22

[MightyDM]

I take no comfort in seeing a person fired


But


I know that what is best has been done


Onwards & upwards

yup.

[Initial B]

Well, they took 8 hours from end of game to come to that conclusion. I'm honestly dreading the presser because I'm not sure I have any faith in Ali to make the right decisions. Manning only marginally moreso.

[Luanda]

I would go with
Javier Perez - Assistant Coach

Javier Perez was named as an Assistant Coach for Toronto FC on February 17, 2021.

Perez, a native of Spain, most recently worked as an assistant coach with New York City FC, where he spent four seasons (2016-20). Prior to his work with NYCFC, Perez spent four years with US Soccer, serving as head coach of the U-18 Men’s National Team and assistant coach with both the U.S. Men’s National Team and U.S. U-20 Men’s National Team. He was part of the senior men’s national team’s staff at the 2014 FIFA World Cup in Brazil and the U-20 squad at the 2015 U-20 FIFA World Cup in New Zealand. Before coming to the US in 2007, Perez spent six years at Real Madrid as a head coach for youth teams from U-9 to U-19 at the club’s foundation development center (2001-2007). Perez holds his UEFA Pro Licence, UEFA “A” Licence and a Ph.D. in Sports Science from Universidad De Leon in Spain.

And then have Dichio and Caldwell as assistants.

[MikeForbes]

Can we do some sort of bet or poll until the presser at 4pm....

How many times will Curtis and Manning refer to TFC as a 'big club'? Putting the over/under at 3.

[MikeForbes]

Rollins says Munoz will be the interim coach.

https://twitter.com/24thminute/status/1411771180118417414?s=20

[reggie]

How many times will Curtis and Manning refer to TFC as a 'big club'? Putting the over/under at 3.
i say 4 ...and how many times will ali say its been a tough 16 mths,,,we like our players ?

[SilverSamurai]

I would go with
Javier Perez - Assistant Coach



Javier Perez was named as an Assistant Coach for Toronto FC on February 17, 2021.

Perez, a native of Spain, most recently worked as an assistant coach with New York City FC, where he spent four seasons (2016-20). Prior to his work with NYCFC, Perez spent four years with US Soccer, serving as head coach of the U-18 Men’s National Team and assistant coach with both the U.S. Men’s National Team and U.S. U-20 Men’s National Team. He was part of the senior men’s national team’s staff at the 2014 FIFA World Cup in Brazil and the U-20 squad at the 2015 U-20 FIFA World Cup in New Zealand. Before coming to the US in 2007, Perez spent six years at Real Madrid as a head coach for youth teams from U-9 to U-19 at the club’s foundation development center (2001-2007). Perez holds his UEFA Pro Licence, UEFA “A” Licence and a Ph.D. in Sports Science from Universidad De Leon in Spain.

And then have Dichio and Caldwell as assistants.


I could get on board w/ that.
Credentials and experience seem sounds to me.
Sounds like someone could do well for a few weeks while a FT search goes on, but also may have enough experience to not hire the first rando they find.

[reggie]

Rollins says Munoz will be the interim coach.

https://twitter.com/24thminute/status/1411771180118417414?s=20
from one usl coach to another,it better be for a week or 2

[rydermike]

Rollins says Munoz will be the interim coach.

https://twitter.com/24thminute/status/1411771180118417414?s=20

I don't trust Rollins. Feels like he's making it up based on the fact that Munoz is the most likely person, so he just is saying it pretending it's facts.

KJ/Kloke/Moliaro are the ones I trust

[OgtheDim]

UEFA Licenses in order of level top down

PRO

A

B

[rydermike]

Is the press conference going to be live on the team site/youtube?

[noxx98]

I don't trust Rollins. Feels like he's making it up based on the fact that Munoz is the most likely person, so he just is saying it pretending it's facts.

KJ/Kloke/Moliaro are the ones I trust
Rollins is likely the only one will share the news before the press conference. The rest of the beat guys hold the information, write their pieces and release it right after TFC announces it.

[MikeForbes]

I don't trust Rollins. Feels like he's making it up based on the fact that Munoz is the most likely person, so he just is saying it pretending it's facts.

KJ/Kloke/Moliaro are the ones I trust

Yeah. Rollins sometimes seem to throw stuff at the wall and hope it sticks. With Singh throwing out that Caldwell stuff I am all aboard the Munoz for interim coach train.

[OgtheDim]

Need SOMEBODY taking care of the defence

[MikeForbes]

Some guy on Twitter who covers the Quakes says it is Perez as interim. We'll see in 6 minutes.

[jloome]

Yeah. Rollins sometimes seem to throw stuff at the wall and hope it sticks. With Singh throwing out that Caldwell stuff I am all aboard the Munoz for interim coach train.

For "sometimes" try "usually." He has no sources, just plays 50/50 coin tosses on what's already out there.

[Richard]

Jan 15th 2021

Curtis knew he found Toronto's next head coach.

“This was a vast, exhaustive and methodical search," Curtis said. "International, domestic. Varying level of experience. Big clubs, small clubs, no club. A lot of people were interested in the role. We interviewed multiple different candidates, lots of research. Comprehensive analysis, reference checks. We really did a thorough job in ensuring we found the right candidate. Chris was the top of the charts.”

https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/toronto-fcs-next-era-comes-focus-chris-armas-hiring-next-signings-tom-bogert

[MikeForbes]

This presser being carried anywhere or is this just for the media?

[rydermike]

Jan 15th 2021

Curtis knew he found Toronto's next head coach.

“This was a vast, exhaustive and methodical search," Curtis said. "International, domestic. Varying level of experience. Big clubs, small clubs, no club. A lot of people were interested in the role. We interviewed multiple different candidates, lots of research. Comprehensive analysis, reference checks. We really did a thorough job in ensuring we found the right candidate. Chris was the top of the charts.”

https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/toronto-fcs-next-era-comes-focus-chris-armas-hiring-next-signings-tom-bogert

It all came down to one thing. Control. Armas was the only one willing to let Curtis have full control and to be a yes man. Every other coach wanted input in player acquisition, etc.

[Richard]

This presser being carried anywhere or is this just for the media?

I cant find anything. Kind of micky mouse.

[reggie]

Jan 15th 2021

Curtis knew he found Toronto's next head coach.

“This was a vast, exhaustive and methodical search," Curtis said. "International, domestic. Varying level of experience. Big clubs, small clubs, no club. A lot of people were interested in the role. We interviewed multiple different candidates, lots of research. Comprehensive analysis, reference checks. We really did a thorough job in ensuring we found the right candidate. Chris was the top of the charts.”

https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/toronto-fcs-next-era-comes-focus-chris-armas-hiring-next-signings-tom-bogert
what a load of shit,how does this donkey keep his job,and why always americans that soccer powerhouse.

[Yohan]

In terms of coaching licenses, here's what some internal people have... I have no idea what these different levels mean, but people in our organization have them.

Caldwell - UEFA A https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevencaldwell/?originalSubdomain=ca
Dichio - UEFA B, USSF A and B https://www.torontofc.ca/news/dichio-named-canadian-national-team-coaching-staff-concacaf-qualifiers
Munoz - USSF Pro https://www.torontofc.ca/news/mike-mu-oz-named-toronto-fc-ii-head-coach
Dunfield - Canada A https://www.canadasoccer.com/news/canada-soccer-announces-coach-education-program-licence-recipients/
Capotosto (Acadamy Director) - Canada B, USSF C and Y https://varsityblues.ca/staff-directory/anthony-capotosto/22
Dichio also has a coaching license from French Football Federation

[ag futbol]

Is there a stream of the presser somewhere?

[Richard]

Well this management team is hiding. Bullshit.

Could you imagine the Leafs doing this?

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/1411775237830676480?s=20

[jloome]

what a load of shit,how does this donkey keep his job,and why always americans that soccer powerhouse.

What an immense steaming pile of shit that quote was. We knew that when he said it.

The guy makes Mo look like Honest Abe. At least with Mo you got the sense that his own underlying anxiety and unease was to blame for the second guessing, the double dealing, the backstabbing.

This dude just reeks of contempt for the fans. In context of what's taken place since that quote pretty much says it all.

Exhaustive and methodical, folks. And the best Ali Curtis could do when "exhaustive and methodical" was the worst coach we've ever had.

[MikeForbes]

Cowards. They know they are next if they screw this up.

[rydermike]

TFC: Hi fans, we're going to do a press conference at 4pm.
Fans: Can we watch it?
TFC: No

[OgtheDim]

This presser being carried anywhere or is this just for the media?

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/1411777718589575169

[jloome]

TFC: Hi fans, we're going to do a press conference at 4pm.
Fans: Can we watch it?
TFC: No

Fucking peasant fans. How dare they want access.

[Dunkers]

TFC: Hi fans, we're going to do a press conference at 4pm.
Fans: Can we watch it?
TFC: No

TSN is literally playing a re-run of the DC game right now! They cant cut to the press conference?!?!?!? Its so difficult to get behind this team....

[Richard]

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/1411777718589575169

That's just not good enough in this day and age. Simply not enough for a "big" club like TFC.

[rydermike]

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/1411772315906498561/photo/1

Bring back Jozy

[gracos]

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/1411777718589575169

They still dont care about their fans, at least if we could watch their announcement we would have a better idea of what direction the club is heading, it seems to be very similiar to Manchester United, of previous we will take your money but we could care less about getting the results

[ou8jonesy]

Currently on CP24

[ag futbol]

That's just not good enough in this day and age. Simply not enough for a "big" club like TFC.
Agreed. This is pretty farcical stuff. Holding a presser on a Sunday afternoon on short notice and then not even showing live access.

Does genius Ali Curtis realize the point of a presser is to actually get a message out?

[Dunkers]

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/1411772315906498561/photo/1

Bring back Jozy

#freejozy

[noxx98]

Press conference is on CP24

[gracos]

we need accountability from this team to its fans, but MLSE could care less about its fans, that why Curtis and Manning should also be relieved of their duties

[barticusz]

Does CP24 have a live online stream somewhere?

[SKB]

Ali Curtis has got to be fired as well. He picked the coach and brought in the players. Then Manning should be let go in the off season

[rydermike]

Saw on cp24, Only Chris Armas fired no assistants.

Javier Perez is interim

[rydermike]

As I said, Rollins has no sources

[jloome]

One of the worst things about this is a guy losing his job. I'm glad it happened, because he was the wrong guy. But it was unfair to Armas in the first place to tell him to fit round pegs in square holes.

You cannot ask a series of veteran players, several of whom are far more talented than he was (albeit he was a good midfielder), to suddenly play a drastically different style of football and role. These are not MLS 1.0 pluggers; these are guys with pedigrees and pretty specific -- and often quite narrow -- ideal skill sets.

Under Vanney, most had a role that played to that strength. If we'd had eleven quick pitbulls, we'd probably have pressed more. He was smart enough to adapt the team to the players we can get here, not the other way around. In a cap league, that's essential.

Curtis clearly, absolutely, does not get any of this. A string of MLS journeymen are decent for plugging holes but they're not first teamers. Omar was crocked, for the most part, when he left LA for Mexico (or over his peak, anyway). Mullins is a perennial backup due to injuries, same with DeLeon. Putting these guys out there with Pozuelo, Osorio and Soteldo on a regular basis is like putting lawnmower fuel mixture in a Porsche.

He's an MLS 1.0 player, as was Armas ,and they have that mindset. Manning probably enjoyed hiring them because it put him above two former teammates who both made it to MLS when he didn't, just ego gratification. I did that once as an editor, hired a guy I'd worked with when I was an 18 year old junior reporter and he was the senior dude. It was disastrous, because he was disastrous, and I was immature.

Ultimately, these three all have to go or we're fucked. There will be no Tata, no Vanney, no Alonso waiting in the wings, because who would coach under these two? I'm sure by now they've been figured out by their peers.

[MikeForbes]

Yep. Gonna unfollow Rollins, I think.

[OgtheDim]

Perez makes the most sense & given he wasn't an Armas "I must have this guy" thing, probably was the stop gap just in case all along.

[MikeForbes]

Perez has the best resume of the bunch. Let's see what he can do.

[mauser09]

Bill Manning: "the current roster has had a very difficult time changing to a new coaching staff and the new style of play" "we are expecting this roster to play better than they are"

[rydermike]

Why is Manning staring at the ceiling

[ag futbol]

https://twitter.com/Kulis10Kula/status/1411779397611397121
Haven’t seen this pair in a while. How’s the heat feeling? Looking good!

[rydermike]

And Cp24 ends the feed

[Huyton]

Why was this not on TFCs website?

[MikeForbes]

Why was this not on TFCs website?

We are only fans. Hardly as important as people with blogs.

[ag futbol]

Ultimately, these three all have to go or we're fucked. There will be no Tata, no Vanney, no Alonso waiting in the wings, because who would coach under these two? I'm sure by now they've been figured out by their peers.
Yep. Struggle to think this is anything but true and probably why our initial list of candidates was so C-List to being with.

[DavemTFC]

Why is Manning staring at the ceiling

Cripes that was weird to watch. Only was able to watch a couple of mins of that before even CP24 had enough

Also I may be in the minority but I'm not crazy about having our new coach be one of the assistants who was working during the Armas reign. The Chris rightfully got most of the criticism but surely his assistants share some of the responsibility here. I know this is only an interim hire but I would have preferred Munoz. Still a better hire than Caldwell mind you

[MikeForbes]

https://twitter.com/MichaelSingh94/status/1411783321420447746?s=20

[ag futbol]

Cripes that was weird to watch. Only was able to watch a couple of mins of that before even CP24 had enough

Also I may be in the minority but I'm not crazy about having our new coach be one of the assistants who was working during the Armas reign. The Chris rightfully got most of the criticism but surely his assistants share some of the responsibility here. I know this is only an interim hire but I would have preferred Munoz. Still a better hire than Caldwell mind you
Let’s not pre-judge too much here. I think this is logical and probably a good call given this might be a temporary arrangement not worth upsetting Munoz’s good early work with TFC2.

Wouldn’t shock me if he was very different. Using the raptors as an example, if Dwayne Casey was in category “A” Nick Nurse was category “Z”. Completely different coach

[MikeForbes]

https://twitter.com/Beezersun/status/1411784509201293320?s=20

[noxx98]

Perez seems to have solid qualifications. No issues with him taking the reins on the team, although we don't really know much about him.

[Initial B]

Ultimately, these three all have to go or we're fucked. There will be no Tata, no Vanney, no Alonso waiting in the wings, because who would coach under these two? I'm sure by now they've been figured out by their peers.
I think this is key right here. The best coaches will not work under micromanaging FOs. TFC needs a Front Office that others can respect and want to work for.

[MikeForbes]

We'll know Perez is legit if he starts Mullinho upfront Wednesday over Dwyer.

[ag futbol]

We'll know Perez is legit if he starts Mullinho upfront Wednesday over Dwyer.
Honestly Wednesday is just too soon for anything drastic. The best we can hope for is he gets in the room, tells the guys to take a breather and that the club still believes in them. Play as vanilla a lineup as you can and focus on keeping defensive shape.

We will likely lose but at least we can start the process of moving on.

[Initial B]

https://twitter.com/MichaelSingh94/status/1411783321420447746?s=20To me this smacks of desperation. They need wins and I think they realize that the team is going to continue losing as long as they are down in Florida and their seats are going to continue to get hotter and hotter. The problem is: Have they cleared this with the Provincial and Federal governments? MLSE is going to have to do some intense lobbying, I think.

[reggie]

We'll know Perez is legit if he starts Mullinho upfront Wednesday over Dwyer.
Nooo lol...mullinho will ride the bench now,he was only playing because had pictures of armas with hair

[ensco]

Perez is fine. I think we want interim. You do not want a real hire.

Manning and Ali are now on the clock.

Look like a real team from here on and maybe some of you stay, if you don't, see ya (and in truth, it's see ya unless something really incredible happens a la Seattle 2016)

Everybody needs to be evaluated at season end, at least that is my hope.

That is how a serious club does it.

[Gringo Starr]

So the solution to the Jozy situation was to wait and see if the coach got fired?

[Bushmancan]

So the solution to the Jozy situation was to wait and see if the coach got fired?

Was Jozy mentioned?

[reggie]

To me this smacks of desperation. They need wins and I think they realize that the team is going to continue losing as long as they are down in Florida and their seats are going to continue to get hotter and hotter. The problem is: Have they cleared this with the Provincial and Federal governments? MLSE is going to have to do some intense lobbying, I think.
why....they got the ok to train at home and most likely play on the 17th smacks of desperation??

[OgtheDim]

Was Jozy mentioned?


Yes, they are talking to him tonight.

[OgtheDim]

To me this smacks of desperation. They need wins and I think they realize that the team is going to continue losing as long as they are down in Florida and their seats are going to continue to get hotter and hotter. The problem is: Have they cleared this with the Provincial and Federal governments? MLSE is going to have to do some intense lobbying, I think.


They have been in detailed talks with the province & the feds for over a month

[MikeForbes]

Even if they gotta play in front of no one for a couple games, it would be great to get them back home.

[ElvistheEvilScotsman]

So the solution to the Jozy situation was to wait and see if the coach got fired?

So our spineless GM who supported the decision to freeze out Jozy is going to go back with hat in hand and ask that he join the team again?

Classic example of why Curtis should have been axed as well.

Hopefully Jozy will come back with a vengeance to prove everyone wrong or at a very minimum to increase his value in the transfer market.

[EL DUQUE'----']

There's one coach to turn this around, Octavio Zambrano....he brought Canada to where it is now...wake up

[EL DUQUE'----']

Perez is 100% different than Idiot...now bring back Jozy

[ElvistheEvilScotsman]

Jozy “liked” the TFC post on Twitter that Armas was being relieved from his duties as manager.

[Fort York Redcoat]

I would've liked to see Munoz and Armas switch roles.

[rydermike]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmqlSpAGEgU&ab_channel=TorontoFC

[Slick]

https://twitter.com/MichaelSingh94/status/1411751093256687617?s=20[/tweet]

Is this guy for real??? I would not want Caldwell as our coach. I can just envision him playing Bono ahead of Q.

[jloome]

After some of the comments after the presser about Armas having to follow a front office plan, I wonder if he isn’t a scapegoat for Ali Curtis,
.
there were several times during this horrible run when we started playing “Vanney ball” ie controlling possession; I wonder if he agreed To stick to Curtis’ plan but gave them some leash a few times.

tougn to see Bradley and Pozuelo being so wrong.

maybe what actually happened with Joey is he told Armas to grow a spine and defy Ali’s plan.

[portu]

Manning looks like kind of pissed and Curtis looks scared and apprehensive. Definetly feels like Manning put his foot down.

[Richard]

Really strange conference. It's like they woke up this morning, saw the backlash, then made a decision. No prepared statements. You would think the guy taking over would be among your first announcements, was only mentioned because John asked, like an afterthought.

[Richard]

Manning looks like kind of pissed and Curtis looks scared and apprehensive. Definetly feels like Manning put his foot down.

Yeah he does look mad, guy is staring at the ceiling when Ali speaks. lmao.

[DinamoTFC]

Manning looks like kind of pissed and Curtis looks scared and apprehensive. Definetly feels like Manning put his foot down.

Manning looked like he was selling himself. Like he was on the hot seat too. Answered well

[Slick]

Ali had no words and looked like a deer caught in headlights. He kept repeating his script and piggy backed off of Manning multiple times. Another role being exposed big time.

I lol'ed when he was trying to elaborate on how tough it was to fire Chris and how he's never been in such a situation.

Aside from all this, I do feel for Chris and his family.

[ManUtd4ever]

It had to be done, regardless of whether or not we can salvage this season.

I'm willing to give Manning and Curtis another kick at the can. We have had some success the last few years and I have no issues overall with player recruitment since Bez departed for Columbus. Armas was just the wrong manager with the wrong vision for this team as it's currently constructed.

[OgtheDim]

Manning looked like he was selling himself. Like he was on the hot seat too. Answered well


Yeh, that was my take.

I would say the journos this last 2 weeks have been emboldened to ask hard pointed questions.


Noted the Manning suggestion the style change was too big an ask - Curtis tried to downplay that but Manning was way more blunt.

It sounds like he took Curtis down a bit before this meeting.

[OgtheDim]

& yes...Vic Rauter asked a very good & tough question, in his good guy way.

[DinamoTFC]

Yeh, that was my take.

I would say the journos this last 2 weeks have been emboldened to ask hard pointed questions.


Noted the Manning suggestion the style change was too big an ask - Curtis tried to downplay that but Manning was way more blunt.

It sounds like he took Curtis down a bit before this meeting.

Noticed that too, journos asked tough questions this time. Bill answered and appreciated, Ali looked quite nervous and lost for words (not that he ever says anything meaningful)

[MikeForbes]

Are Curtis and Manning even going to be trusted to make another hire if results do not improve? Neither said much about a coaching search beginning anytime soon. Almost sounded like their future depends on what happens in the next 3 months.

[Oldtimer]

After some of the comments after the presser about Armas having to follow a front office plan, I wonder if he isn’t a scapegoat for Ali Curtis,
.


Didn't Armas play a pressing style with the Red Bulls? In that case it's on Armas.

[Ultra & Proud]

Didn't Armas play a pressing style with the Red Bulls? In that case it's on Armas.

His interim shift was just a carry on of Marsh's NYRB press and it was fine. Then in his first whole season he tried some weird press but with possession and it failed. Same as here. He repeated the same script exactly so he'll never learn.

[Rust]

Finally!

The season's pretty much over for us, so we have to think about bringing a really good coach to put us back on tracks and prepare for 2022.

[Kamp Berg]

Perez seems like a decent enough choice, because it’s interim. It’s hard to have much faith in another choice by Curtis, but maybe Manning will have to be more involved this time. Which could be a good thing because it makes them both culpable for the next choice of coach. I’d rather see Curtis or Manning or both fired first though.

[MightyDM]

One of the worst things about this is a guy losing his job. I'm glad it happened, because he was the wrong guy. But it was unfair to Armas in the first place to tell him to fit round pegs in square holes.

You cannot ask a series of veteran players, several of whom are far more talented than he was (albeit he was a good midfielder), to suddenly play a drastically different style of football and role. These are not MLS 1.0 pluggers; these are guys with pedigrees and pretty specific -- and often quite narrow -- ideal skill sets.

Under Vanney, most had a role that played to that strength. If we'd had eleven quick pitbulls, we'd probably have pressed more. He was smart enough to adapt the team to the players we can get here, not the other way around. In a cap league, that's essential.

Curtis clearly, absolutely, does not get any of this. A string of MLS journeymen are decent for plugging holes but they're not first teamers. Omar was crocked, for the most part, when he left LA for Mexico (or over his peak, anyway). Mullins is a perennial backup due to injuries, same with DeLeon. Putting these guys out there with Pozuelo, Osorio and Soteldo on a regular basis is like putting lawnmower fuel mixture in a Porsche.

He's an MLS 1.0 player, as was Armas ,and they have that mindset. Manning probably enjoyed hiring them because it put him above two former teammates who both made it to MLS when he didn't, just ego gratification. I did that once as an editor, hired a guy I'd worked with when I was an 18 year old junior reporter and he was the senior dude. It was disastrous, because he was disastrous, and I was immature.

Ultimately, these three all have to go or we're fucked. There will be no Tata, no Vanney, no Alonso waiting in the wings, because who would coach under these two? I'm sure by now they've been figured out by their peers.

Has the ring of truth Mr Loome.

[MightyDM]

Cripes that was weird to watch. Only was able to watch a couple of mins of that before even CP24 had enough

Also I may be in the minority but I'm not crazy about having our new coach be one of the assistants who was working during the Armas reign. The Chris rightfully got most of the criticism but surely his assistants share some of the responsibility here. I know this is only an interim hire but I would have preferred Munoz. Still a better hire than Caldwell mind you

I know Caldwell doesn't get much love here, but he does have his UEFA "A" licence. It's something.

[MightyDM]

Perez is fine. I think we want interim. You do not want a real hire.

Manning and Ali are now on the clock.

Look like a real team from here on and maybe some of you stay, if you don't, see ya (and in truth, it's see ya unless something really incredible happens a la Seattle 2016)

Everybody needs to be evaluated at season end, at least that is my hope.

That is how a serious club does it.

Also, Manning has (indirectly) pegged his future to that of Curtis. He could and should have shown him the door. But now their fates are inextricably intertwined.

[James17930]

The idea of Caldwell as coach is fascinating. I can see him either being great, or the next Preki.

[ensco]

The tiff with Jozy is a bit of a blemish but that was brewing for a long time before Armas got here. It wouldn't surprise me to learn ultimately that Jozy's real beef was elsewhere.

Armas was, by most accounts, a gentleman, and well liked.

He joins Winter as guys that were not the right guys for the job, were in impossible situations and, I predict, like Winter, will be looked back on in time with more of a feeling of sympathy and affection.

I hope he makes lots of dough from his brief stint here and lands on his feet.

Also congratulations to him on the Leon tie. That was something special, playing the kids and getting that.

[Brooker]

That presser..... Most work Curtis has ever done.


Need SOMEBODY taking care of the defence

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/%2Fmethode%2Ftimes%2Fprodmigration%2Fweb%2Fbin%2F6 65fdbee-e51f-3e50-b7e6-8c1515654100.jpg?crop=780%2C520%2C0%2C0
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[SirBobSaget]

Also, Manning has (indirectly) pegged his future to that of Curtis. He could and should have shown him the door. But now their fates are inextricably intertwined.

As I wrote in the Armas thread, Manning (as he needed to highlight himself in the press conference) had a good track record over the years. X number of MLS Cups, Y Number of Supporter Shields and Z number of playoff appearances. He was cruising along.

Then comes Ali Curtis who seemed to have tried to instill a top down approach after Vanney left. Maybe the reason Vanney left? It has blown up spectacularly, whatever this was turned a top team into a laughing stock. I cant think of any other MLS team that went from top of the league to complete disaster over 4 months.

Manning was siting pretty now his reputation is completely trashed because he believed in Curtis giving him a 5 year contract! And presiding over Armas' 3 year contract. He will be under imnmense scrutiny for handing out 2+ million $ to the backroom staff that haven't justified it. Not even going to get into the bad player signings/re-signings like Dwyer, Morrow, Lawrence (great at NYRB, nothing special at TFC).

[Auzzy]

It had to be done, regardless of whether or not we can salvage this season.

I'm willing to give Manning and Curtis another kick at the can. We have had some success the last few years and I have no issues overall with player recruitment since Bez departed for Columbus. Armas was just the wrong manager with the wrong vision for this team as it's currently constructed.

Wow, TFC has had a ton of problems with player recruitment and signings under Curtis.

[PizzaEatingYeti]

Manning looks like kind of pissed and Curtis looks scared and apprehensive. Definetly feels like Manning put his foot down.

Yeah, I had the same feeling.
(I have just watched the conference now.)

Plus Curtis said absolutely nothing meaningful in the smallest... but what else one can expect of him?

[PizzaEatingYeti]

Not too much more to say about this situation, I will just copy here what I have posted in the presser's Youtube comments section:

At minimum, Curtis should have been fired too, even if of course Manning is "guilty" too in the same way as Curtis in this disastrous season (and not only - the warning signs were here in how they managed everything in the last 2 years or so...).

I am firmly convinced that until both these clowns are in these positions, TFC will never be the team with the results which should be expected given the resources and the supporter base of this club.

Ultimately, the MLSE board is at fault here, because being a multi-billion corporate entity, also with many sports teams owned, they simply do not care enough about TFC's on field performances. TFC is considered a very distant third fiddle in importance after the Maple Leafs and Raptors, both also owned by MLSE.

[PizzaEatingYeti]

Something interesting to watch now:

If in the next few matches TFC will play a LOT better as a team, or more importantly, a LOT better individually than in the last 3-4 ones (even if the results would be the same points-wise in the standings), that will be a very clear indication that an important chunk of the roster have stopped playing for Armas in these last 3-4 matches.
This because no matter what, a new interim coach will not make that much of an impact in a very short time, to suggest otherwise.

[ag futbol]

Really strange conference. It's like they woke up this morning, saw the backlash, then made a decision. No prepared statements. You would think the guy taking over would be among your first announcements, was only mentioned because John asked, like an afterthought.
Definitely did not leave you with the impression they are up for this job, Ali especially.

Note Leiweke was so good at this sort of pageantry it had the aspect of making TFC look bigger than what it is. Meanwhile, what we saw yesterday and plenty of times before, leaves you with the impression TFC isn’t even a professional outfit.

We are owned by a couple of media companies and our management team is failing at producing content. Can that really be ignored by the powers that be?

[Bushmancan]

Some thoughts on whose next here.. all speculation of course

https://mlsmultiplex.com/2021/07/04/toronto-fc-candidates-next-head-coach/

[ag futbol]

Some thoughts on whose next here.. all speculation of course

https://mlsmultiplex.com/2021/07/04/toronto-fc-candidates-next-head-coach/
That dude is not credible. Carl Robinson? Does he know Carl Robinson’s actual history and the things that went on in Vancouver? He is about as likely to get another shot as Mo Johnston.

Edit: He’s also on record saying Armas would be a great hire and win multiple trophies with TFC.

[samuraizero]

Another role being exposed big time.

Fake it til' you make it baby, just like the rest of us at our jobs lol

[Oldtimer]

That dude is not credible. Carl Robinson? Does he know Carl Robinson’s actual history and the things that went on in Vancouver? He is about as likely to get another shot as Mo Johnston.

Edit: He’s also on record saying Armas would be a great hire and win multiple trophies with TFC.

Anyone can pontificate on a random fan website, doesn't mean they are more knowledgeable than the people here. I'd rather read someone truly knowledgeable, looking forward to real journalists like Molinaro's take on things.

[Bushmancan]

That dude is not credible. Carl Robinson? Does he know Carl Robinson’s actual history and the things that went on in Vancouver? He is about as likely to get another shot as Mo Johnston.

Edit: He’s also on record saying Armas would be a great hire and win multiple trophies with TFC.


I know.. i thought that one was funny.

[MikeForbes]

Didn't Dyer actually break the Armas to Toronto stuff? Or am I getting him mixed up with someone else?

[Mango Kid]

Yeah. Rollins sometimes seem to throw stuff at the wall and hope it sticks. With Singh throwing out that Caldwell stuff I am all aboard the Munoz for interim coach train.

Could not agree more. Absolute blow hard who runs into one occasionally, but gets 10 wrong for every one of those. Minimum.

[OgtheDim]

Didn't Dyer actually break the Armas to Toronto stuff? Or am I getting him mixed up with someone else?


Oh, it was him. His tweet about it got on the "MLS Images that Preceeded Unfortunate Events" TL.

[Areathrasher]

Klokes article in the Athletic is absolutely scathing towards Curtis

[Initial B]

Can't read it, but the article title seems to indicate that Manning and Curtis share the blame.

[Areathrasher]

Kloke goes in hard on 1) The roster not being set up to press 2) not getting in reinforcements quick enough and 3) management being too overconfident in their defensive options. Those are all things in Curtis's purview. And the kicker " multiple sources told the athletic that Curtis stuck his neck out to hire Armas, even if many otherS throughout the club were not completey on board with his underwhelming track record"

[Bushmancan]

That was not a good presser yesterday for Curtis.

[portu]

Kloke goes in hard on 1) The roster not being set up to press 2) not getting in reinforcements quick enough and 3) management being too overconfident in their defensive options. Those are all things in Curtis's purview. And the kicker " multiple sources told the athletic that Curtis stuck his neck out to hire Armas, even if many otherS throughout the club were not completey on board with his underwhelming track record"
God I want a townhall so badly, how hard is it to set up a zoom call

[ag futbol]

And the kicker " multiple sources told the athletic that Curtis stuck his neck out to hire Armas, even if many otherS throughout the club were not completey on board with his underwhelming track record"
That’s pretty damning. We always look at Curtis and Manning as some sort of unified entity but this is the first sign of cracks forming. Those two did not look to be on the same page in yesterday’s presser.

I almost wonder if Bill Manning was concerned that if he let Ali handle it (the presser), the whole exercise would be even more of a tire fire than it already is.

[MightyDM]

Can't read it, but the article title seems to indicate that Manning and Curtis share the blame.

It's worth getting a subscription.

[Ultra & Proud]

That’s pretty damning. We always look at Curtis and Manning as some sort of unified entity but this is the first sign of cracks forming. Those two did not look to be on the same page in yesterday’s presser.

I almost wonder if Bill Manning was concerned that if he let Ali handle it (the presser), the whole exercise would be even more of a tire fire than it already is.

I never took them as a single entity or any of that. It seemed to me like Manning wanted Curtis to be like Bez and run the team on the day to day and be in control of the roster especially since MLSE expanded Manning's role. Since Manning has seen his realm of duties extended beyond TFC, things have somewhat come off the rails even if the results didn't until now. It's pretty commonplace to operate in that way when the president's role is convering two teams and who knows what else but it is his fault for choosing Curtis for this role and sticking with him even though there were signs of trouble (Poz deal hold up + more money paid, Gonzalez option, Jozy option, not targeting a CB, Jozy banishment, whatever happened with Borre, Armas hire).

I think Curtis is on incredibly thin ice now and judging by his look at that presser, he knows it too. I expect that the summer window and the rest of this season will decide Curtis' fate. I don't know if Manning would have told him playoffs or out but it wouldn't surprise me. Afterall, it'd be Manning having tough Fall meetings with the board if the highest payrolled team in MLS finished the year battling for the wooden spoon.

[DinamoTFC]

Kloke goes in hard on 1) The roster not being set up to press 2) not getting in reinforcements quick enough and 3) management being too overconfident in their defensive options. Those are all things in Curtis's purview. And the kicker " multiple sources told the athletic that Curtis stuck his neck out to hire Armas, even if many otherS throughout the club were not completey on board with his underwhelming track record"

Your last part makes me believe this firing never would have happened unless results were literally bottom of the barrel. Any glimmer of hope Ali would have kept Armas on as it meant he was also responsible for it. Kind of makes sense now.

[ag futbol]

Slightly OT but to expand on the comment above re: Borré.

I don’t fault Curtis for trying… or that it ultimately failed. But I do get the sneaking suspicion that he didn’t clue in fast enough that he was being used as a stalking horse to drive interest elsewhere. Hard to believe three player ever had any intention of signing here.

[Oldtimer]

I'm no expert on the topic, but the body language of Manning during the presser (eg looking away when Curtis was speaking) seemed to me to indicate that Manning blames Curtis 100% for this fiasco and that Curtis is on thin ice. If I was Curtis, I'd make sure the resume is up to date.

[Yohan]

I'm no expert on the topic, but the body language of Manning during the presser (eg looking away when Curtis was speaking) seemed to me to indicate that Manning blames Curtis 100% for this fiasco and that Curtis is on thin ice. If I was Curtis, I'd make sure the resume is up to date.
that's my read as well.

Manning is going to do the next manager hiring. Curtis is just around to do admin until the next manager is hired, because Manning can't do Curtis's job with all his responsibilities

[MikeForbes]

Pretty sure that if Curtis hadn't just signed an extension he would of been gone yesterday aswell.

[Oldtimer]

Molinaro's take on the Fan 590

https://pmd.fan590.com/audio_on_demand-5/John-Molinaro-with-Jeff-Blair-wb-20210705-Interview.mp3

[noxx98]

https://twitter.com/GarethWheeler/status/1412430978900017155
Wheeler clarifies that Perez is not the interim coach, but will be overseeing the upcoming game(s). TFC is looking for an interim right now to take over for the rest of the season while they complete a full coaching search.

[Auzzy]

https://twitter.com/GarethWheeler/status/1412430978900017155
Wheeler clarifies that Perez is not the interim coach, but will be overseeing the upcoming game(s). TFC is looking for an interim right now to take over for the rest of the season while they complete a full coaching search.

That obviously confirms that the press conference was a badly-prepared shit show.

[ag futbol]

That obviously confirms that the press conference was a badly-prepared shit show.
Indeed. If they wanted to walk in there and portray the message this was an isolated problem with the coach, they did the exact opposite with their sloppy execution.

But maybe the good news is, these cockroaches aren’t as hidden from the sunlight as we maybe assumed. Both had the look on their face like they were on thin ice with their bosses.

[Ultra & Proud]

https://twitter.com/GarethWheeler/status/1412430978900017155
Wheeler clarifies that Perez is not the interim coach, but will be overseeing the upcoming game(s). TFC is looking for an interim right now to take over for the rest of the season while they complete a full coaching search.
This is how I took what they said in the presser. As I expected, Manning especially knows the ice has thinned and he isn't chancing his job on letting Curtis pick another manager, even an interim. This Perez guy looks like he ticks some boxes but he is a carry over from the Armas disaster so he is at least slightly culpable and since he was on that staff I am not sure how respected he will be in our locker room. I think we still need a guy with some gravitas to shake the players up a bit.

[MikeForbes]

Gonna end up taking a long break if the best this interim coaching search ends with Caldwell or something.

[OgtheDim]

That obviously confirms that the press conference was a badly-prepared shit show.


They didn't game out that presser - rushed. Probably didn't take time to breathe during the 2 hours after the announcement & that presser. That looked like they spent the intervening time talking through things with some stakeholders (staff or players).

To be fair, they had answers just no talking notes. Seen a lot worse, to be honest, but could have been better.

[reggie]

a American who has played with either of them

[rydermike]

That obviously confirms that the press conference was a badly-prepared shit show.

Yep, I think it's pretty evident that Armas was not remotely close to being fired until the 7-1 debacle. That happened and there was no choice. Normally, when they know they are close to firing their coach, they already have an interim manager prepared. They were prepared to ride out Armas, but after that shitshow, they knew they were well past the point-of-no-return. I wouldn't be surprised if Tannenbaum called them and said something needs to change now. Guarantee the original plan was ride out the Gold Cup break, use that as a chance to turn things around, but there's no riding out a franchise worst loss which was immediately preceded by a loss to Cincinnati.

[Ultra & Proud]

Gonna end up taking a long break if the best this interim coaching search ends with Caldwell or something.
And Olsen or Kreis.

[jloome]

Gonna end up taking a long break if the best this interim coaching search ends with Caldwell or something.

I hate his commentating because it's just laden with Scottish angst and a willingness to be starkly tougher on the home side.

But I suspect he'd be a very good manager.

He's respected by peers, he's not rash to speak out, he has his UEFA 'A' license and he captained every team he was ever on.

The question with a guy like him -- and Carl Robinson before him -- is whether they have tactical nous. And we won't see that until someone gives him a gig.

[Ultra & Proud]

I hate his commentating because it's just laden with Scottish angst and a willingness to be starkly tougher on the home side.

But I suspect he'd be a very good manager.

He's respected by peers, he's not rash to speak out, he has his UEFA 'A' license and he captained every team he was ever on.

The question with a guy like him -- and Carl Robinson before him -- is whether they have tactical nous. And we won't see that until someone gives him a gig.
My worry is that he tries to play the football that they played on most of the sides he captained.

[Kamp Berg]

And Olsen or Kreis.

I’m guessing that most of us would agree that a coach for TFC should have a real pedigree or be a proven commodity from in-house. The problem is who is available and willing to come here. Either way, Manning better make sure the next hire is vetted properly and can stand behind their past results, not just be someone’s buddy or talk their way in, or firing Curtis might not save his job either.

[jloome]

My worry is that he tries to play the football that they played on most of the sides he captained.

Yeah, the route one hoof it 442 was Robbo's preference too. But Caldwell took his license at the end of his career, which was just a few years ago, and tactics and training changed pretty drastically over the last decade or so, so there's reason to think he may see it more as an application of your assets than trying to wedge players into systems.

[MikeForbes]

I hate his commentating because it's just laden with Scottish angst and a willingness to be starkly tougher on the home side.

But I suspect he'd be a very good manager.

He's respected by peers, he's not rash to speak out, he has his UEFA 'A' license and he captained every team he was ever on.

The question with a guy like him -- and Carl Robinson before him -- is whether they have tactical nous. And we won't see that until someone gives him a gig.

Yeah, he might have potential as a manager. I would just rather him manage an actual professional side before he is handed a job because of his ties to the team. As far as I can tell besides his license his only coaching experience comes from helping out Herdman with the MNT a handful of times. Munoz or Perez have far more reason and credentials to be given a shot.

[ag futbol]

The move here is you fire him Sunday, announce that and the interim within a press release. Have a proper presser on Monday Morning that gives you the time to tell a proper story and look like professionals. Honestly, I don’t see why that’s hard.

My $0.02 is they wanted to cram it in on the weekend under short notice to avoid headlining anybody’s news cycle with their failures. And yet, in doing so, they made themselves look even worse with a lack of preparedness and vague answers to softball questions. Their plan is stupid and only speaks to their continued lack of foresight. They have to run a process for a suitable interim, after giving Perez the reigns for as little as 4 days? Really? That person should have been on staff this entire time!

We should be thanking Armas for so readily exposing how incompetent his bosses are. Rarely do you see guys in these positions so readily exposed and face planting

Ali Curtis is the Rob Babcock of Toronto FC

[Ultra & Proud]

Their plan is stupid and only speaks to their continued lack of foresight. They have to run a process for a suitable interim, after giving Perez the reigns for as little as 4 days? Really? That person should have been on staff this entire time!

If they choose Perez then he already was. I'm not ruling out him getting the gig no matter what was said. Like I said before, they go for what's easiest and that's easy. Will all come down to how the team responds tomorrow.

[ag futbol]

If they choose Perez then he already was. I'm not ruling out him getting the gig no matter what was said. Like I said before, they go for what's easiest and that's easy. Will all come down to how the team responds tomorrow.
But it’s the gig that’s not even a gig. This is like an episode of Seinfeld where everybody is floating in some weird state of ambiguity

[Smokecell]

But it’s the gig that’s not even a gig. This is like an episode of Seinfeld where everybody is floating in some weird state of ambiguity

I'm all for hiring Bizzaro Vanney :o

[jloome]

If they choose Perez then he already was. I'm not ruling out him getting the gig no matter what was said. Like I said before, they go for what's easiest and that's easy. Will all come down to how the team responds tomorrow.

Awkward, though. He's on Armas staff and was announced as a hire by Armas. If he does well, he's still not experienced enough to be given the main job... but the new coach is probably going to want his own staff, at which point you have to fire the guy who did well for you as interim manager.

They can't give Perez any real responsibility until a new long-term manager decides his fate as a coach.

More likely, they'll have a shortlist of "interims" who have potential to take the job full-time, guys who are out of work but have a pedigree like Onolfo and Alonso, then give them a trial run while widening the search for an offseason hire.

[Initial B]

The move here is you fire him Sunday, announce that and the interim within a press release. Have a proper presser on Monday Morning that gives you the time to tell a proper story and look like professionals. Honestly, I don’t see why that’s hard. They're both Americans. They figured that a 4pm presser would get buried under Fourth of July news stories.

[Initial B]

Found this little tidbit in the Power Rankings writeup for TFC this week:

I remain convinced all you have to do to adequately manage a team like Toronto (https://www.mlssoccer.com/clubs/toronto-fc/) is put the extremely talented players out there in the positions they’re supposed to play and not actively have your tactics interfere with them being extremely talented. That can be harder to figure out than expected, but so far through their first two games without Chris Armas, they’ve taken four points against two of the league’s top teams.
I don't if it's just me, but it sounds like this is the closest the writers could get to throwing shade at Armas' tactical acumen.

[James17930]

If Armas wants to be a coach, he should spend a couple of years getting his licenses, then go to USL 2 or something and try to work his way back up.

Or maybe he should just do something else completely different.