MLS Match Day 3 - TFC @ NYRB Saturday May 8 1 pm - "Ah, Gadzooks!"

[OgtheDim]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRUjV4YC3pA



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Have At It People

[Smokecell]

^^ Hah that's a good one.

Hopefully we have Yefe and Pozo for this and cruise against the struggling Bulls.

[gracos]

Perfect opening post, RBNorth vs NYRB

[OgtheDim]

So just going to make the assumption that Poz does't play this one - he's not been in training & thigh stuff don't come back quick without training

Oso with an ice pack on after last night. In Seteldo we trust, it seems. We should beat NYRB because they are, frankly, not as good as us even without Oso & Poz.

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Weather will be 13 degrees with a chance of rain. We actually get to see this team play outside of heat or altitude.

[ensco]

So we play the kids. Like Armas said. Priso, Okello etc, you're up.

Let's go.

[reggie]

its only weds..im sure we will get a few more injuries before saturday,lucky if we get a tie

[MikeForbes]

This is where the season really begins. Time to start getting some positive results. Against this Red Bulls team we should be winning. I don't care if Pozuelo is out, this is a team we should be beating if we are contenders.

[Canary10]

What's the deal with Jozy? I wasn't able to watch last night.

[Graeme]

What's the deal with Jozy? I wasn't able to watch last night.

Sick from 2nd COVID vaccination.

[Canary10]

Sick from 2nd COVID vaccination.

Oh no way. Ok, that's better news than I thought. Thanks.

[MikeForbes]

Pozuelo and Soteldo are training with the team today. Pozuelo is ruled out for Saturday however.

https://twitter.com/TheTorontoSun/status/1390236914863779845?s=20

[Kiwi10]

Oh no way. Ok, that's better news than I thought. Thanks.

KJ's post-game Jozy discussion on OneSoccer was interesting though. He emphasized the vaccine related illness was "just what he had been told" then went down a path of Jozy is a legend for what he's done for this club, but hasn't been at that level for a long time now. I'm paraphrasing, but he said something to the effect of "If Jozy's played his last game for TFC, he will still get met with a standing ovation next time he shows up at BMO".

Completely true - but felt like an odd direction to take it. Almost like he was hinting there is more going on behind the scenes than we may realize... Not sure if I'm reading too much into it but KJ's take was curious.

[OgtheDim]

Took my spec about that to the roster discussion thread

[PizzaEatingYeti]

New York Red Bulls - Toronto FC

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We may think that the NYRB is weak, and we should beat them, but... looks like the bookmakers consider the Red Bulls a strong enough favourite for this one.
Not a big fav though, for that the line on the "1" should be at least -140.

I may put in a wager for TFC +0.5 (is at -111 now at Pinnacle)... it's too tempting.

[OgtheDim]

NY teams always gather more plays so the odds go down on them

[613reppingTFC]

I suppose would part of it have to do with our record going to NYRB we are 2 wins 2 draw and 13 losses?

[PizzaEatingYeti]

Anyways, this is a very important match for us.
In the Armas era we have 1 win now from 6 official matches, that's not something to be happy about.

A draw tomorrow is not the end of the world, but if we lose, there will be probably loads of angry and sad people on this forum.

[Thomas]

Too bad we won't have Poz, but I am looking forward to this match. Can't wait for a glimpse of Yeferson in Red!

[Joe Kool]

1PM start is pretty early...good thing I doublechecked just now otherwise I might have missed it tomorrow. For some reason I thought it was later in the afternoon. Not used to us having 1PM games almost ever. Hopefully the boys have their Wheaties by then and are ready to go...

[ManUtd4ever]

@pizzaeatingyeti, it's an unfair sample size from which to judge Armas. We have dealt with a Covid outbreak and numerous injuries to key starters during that span.

Let's see what he can do with a reasonably healthy lineup.

[ensco]

The way to play those odds is to bet NYRB not TFC.

- We had 44 points last year, they had 39. Not that much to choose between us.
- We both went out of playoffs early.
- We are on the road
- No Pozo for us, multiple other guys are banged up or hurt
- Something is not OK with Altidore, that could hang over the room
- We need to rotate squad given CCL games
- We looked bad in our two league games against teams that were expected to be weak

The wild card is Soteldo, but, despite what Poz did in his debut, most star debuts are not that great. Poz was playing beside 29 year old Jozy and a healthy Osorio in his first game ....

Let's not over-rotate if we lose. We may well do.

[MikeForbes]

Putting big money on TFC at those odds. I have a strong believe that the Red Bulls are in a strong decline.

[OgtheDim]

https://twitter.com/MichaelSingh94/status/1390727176249659403


I'm a shrug on Jozy.

[Ultra & Proud]

https://twitter.com/MichaelSingh94/status/1390727176249659403


I'm a shrug on Jozy.
Maybe there's something to this Jozy moving on rumors/sentiment.

[MikeForbes]

If Jozy has actually been sick for a solid week because of a Covid vaccine I'll be shocked.

[James17930]

Hopefully Solteldo can play at least 30 mins.

[MikeForbes]

Let's get it, boys. Time to get some results.

[PaceyWinger]

Hopefully Solteldo can play at least 30 mins.

i agree. it has probably been a whirlwind for him, but he was in the middle of his season so from an endurance level standpoint you hope that he's ready to go. Will likely need to manage his minutes a little as the season goes on or else he may start to fade.

[jloome]

Let's get it, boys. Time to get some results.

Red Bull always play up for us. Watching video this year, there's more parity across the league than ever. I have no idea what to expect today.

[MikeForbes]

Only gonna play Soteldo for 30 minutes today because all managers are cowards.

https://twitter.com/joshuakloke/status/1391055730111827968?s=20

[MightyDM]

I don't have a good feeling about this one. Until we see Poz and Jozy - at least at a presser or in training, if not on the pitch, something feels a bit off. There are shoes to drop yet I think. But about to put my shirt on and start hoping for a good performance. Enjoying seeing Priso and Okello develop, Bradley have a resurgence, and looking forward to welcoming El Jefe.

[MightyDM]

Hopefully Solteldo can play at least 30 mins.

El Jefe

[MikeForbes]

Starting 11 - Bono, Auro, Mavinga, Omar, Laryea; Bradley, Priso, Delgado, Nelson, DeLeon and Akinola.

Nelson seems to either start or not feature at all in the team.

[FootBallAZ]

What an ugly line up

Does Armas not like westberg, does Armas want his voice the only one to be heard on the pitch ? Lol I know he is a Vanney connection I don't get it Westerberg provides stability, command and accuracy.

No Osorio he is injured or being traded ?

[MikeForbes]

What an ugly line up

Does Armas not like westberg, does Armas want his voice the only one to be heard on the pitch ? Lol I know he is a Vanney connection I don't get it Westerberg provides stability, command and accuracy.

No Osorio he is injured or being traded ?

Osorio went off early Tuesday and had ice bags packed to his leg. Probably just an injury. Jozy meanwhile currently has the longest Covid vaccine illness known to man.

[MightyDM]

El Jefe on the bench!

[MightyDM]

Osorio went off early Tuesday and had ice bags packed to his leg. Probably just an injury. Jozy meanwhile currently has the longest Covid vaccine illness known to man.

Pozuelos continued absence worrying

[reggie]

this jozy thing is now at the point of embarrassing,a 3 nil loss today and armas has become bs boy #1 oso and jozy are ready to go my ass.

[OgtheDim]

Pozuelos continued absence worrying


He started training this week, seperate from the team.

I don't think Poz shows up until the game on May 22nd & doesn't start until the 29th.

[FootBallAZ]

Armas did mention weeks ago that Singh injured pozuelo in practice

I believe he wants to be here I hope so

[MightyDM]

He started training this week, seperate from the team.

I don't think Poz shows up until the game on May 22nd & doesn't start until the 29th.

I'd like to see him interviewed or good video of him with a smile. its like they have been hiding him; maybe he quietly went home to spain before he came back for training, or something. Just odd.

[OgtheDim]

If Q doesn't get a start in the next week, I might start an Armas "discussion" thread.... :toetap05:

[MikeForbes]

If Q doesn't get a start in the next week, I might start an Armas "discussion" thread.... :toetap05:

Maybe fire one up if we don't get a result here. Only one win so far in the Armas era.

[ag futbol]

This is bit of a baffling lineup. But I guess it reflects our mid-week game and injuries.

When was it disclosed Osorio would be out?

[OgtheDim]

Maybe fire one up if we don't get a result here. Only one win so far in the Armas era.


I would wait a week & see what we look like against Columbus & NYC

By "discussion" I mean, "OK, this is where he's good & this is where he has no freaking clue". I'm not into "FIRE THIS GUY NOW" stuff as its way to early for that.

That having been said, of the 3 teams we play in the next week, NYRB is the one we SHOULD be beating, even without Osorio & Jozy & Poz & with Soteldo coming on at 60.

[reggie]

this dude is here this year and next no matter what happens

[SoccMan2]

Like seriously this is becoming a joke with this organization and these injuries . This is getting a bit stupid now every game now dealing with this crap . Moreover, Altidore come on man get rid of this guy , he is done ya thanks for the memories but it’s over he is basically a pylon now when he does play .

[daner90]

I have no idea where goals will come from in this line up. I trust Akinola but I have no faith in the creativity around him to create opportunities. I prefer the speed Shaffelburg provides down the wing to create problems for the opposing d

[MikeForbes]

I know it is early, but this feels like a huge game.

[PizzaEatingYeti]

Does anyone have a decent stream?
I have 2 to TSN, but the picture is totally deformed (flattened big time), almost impossible to enjoy.
Thanks in advance!

[OgtheDim]

Get ready for DeLeon as AM again.

[FootBallAZ]

I know it is early, but this feels like a huge game.



It is, need to show Leon's win wasn't a fluke which it was all their misses and the luck we had including Morrows goal.

He mentioned teams like Liverpool who changed over to press and how there was many injuries early on as the players got used to the style of play.


Aside from winning the other consistency has been injuries.


Line up doesn't make sense, how westberg hasn't played in a meaningful game especially when the defense has some inexperience


Let's get it

[FootBallAZ]

Does anyone have a decent stream?
I have 2 to TSN, but the picture is totally deformed (flattened big time), almost impossible to enjoy.
Thanks in advance!

https://poscitech.com/new-york-rb-vs-toronto-fc/?streamerName=Freetvlive1&origin=reddt1.soccerstreams.net

[PizzaEatingYeti]

https://poscitech.com/new-york-rb-vs-toronto-fc/?streamerName=Freetvlive1&origin=reddt1.soccerstreams.net

:thumbsup:

[rydermike]

TSN put a Canadian flag on Akinola. Hopeful lol

[Thomas]

Omar looks a little shaky….scary seeing the ball at Bono’s feet.

[MightyDM]

All for one. But DeLeon and Marky are both out of position. i dont think that helps

[ensco]

We look like a team that a good team would have scored two on by now.

[OgtheDim]

We are SOOOOOO lacking in technical ability out there right now

[OgtheDim]

We look like a team that a good team would have scored two on by now.


So do they....

[ag futbol]

What the hell am I watching right now? Looks like a bunch of 6 year olds running around with no sense of awareness or positioning.

[rydermike]

Ayos gotta score there

[ensco]

What the hell am I watching right now? Looks like a bunch of 6 year olds running around with no sense of awareness or positioning.

Yeah. It’s the Vancouver game all over again.

[ensco]

Soteldo would have done something special with that slip pass from Ayo...

[OgtheDim]

A ball floated into that area HAS to be called by the keeper.

Press is doing well.

[MightyDM]

early pressing = good. Early defence = yikes

[alex andrew]

armas football ??!!!

[Thomas]

We seem to be running all over the place. Gonna be gassed early.

[PaceyWinger]

Deleon is a black hole of possession. Its so bad.

[MightyDM]

Caldwells comments today have been very good, to me at least.

[ag futbol]

What is the point of a press, if you can’t transition to attack or finish if you recover the ball in a good area?

[MightyDM]

impressive press right there

[OgtheDim]

Deleon is a black hole of possession. Its so bad.


Yeh, if we had a decent AM in place, we'd be winning.

[MightyDM]

Early doors, but Shaff looks to have surpassed Nelson in his development at this point

[OgtheDim]

Their keeper is going to give us one this game - already tried it twice.

[PaceyWinger]

Early doors, but Shaff looks to have surpassed Nelson in his development at this point

I don't think I've seen anything from Shaffelburg that indicates he has any technical advantage over Nelson. He's also like 4 years older.

[Thomas]

Our passing ability has been generally quite poor. Seems like this new style has us off loading balls before figuring out where it needs to go. Sometimes not even looking where the pass needs to go to.

[ag futbol]

We are wasting Laryea right now, playing like this. And let’s be honest, that’s our best hope of a goal with this lineup.

[PaceyWinger]

Our passing ability has been generally quite poor. Seems like this new style has us off loading balls before figuring out where it needs to go. Sometimes not even looking where the pass needs to go to.
Its even worse than that because blasting it up the field as soon as possible just gets it to Deleon or Nelson and doesn't let players like Laryea catch up. We end up with 1v 1s instead of overloading runs into the box. It's frantic and doesn't lead to chances.

[Oldtimer]

Red Bill Arena shows how first TFC games with fans will look like.

Limited number of fully vaccinated wearing masks.

[MightyDM]

FFS Richie

[alex andrew]

Red Bill Arena shows how first TFC games with fans will look like.

Limited number of fully vaccinated wearing masks.

yes, very limited

[PaceyWinger]

yes, very limited

Sucks from a fan perspective but if these players are in TO that solves so many other problems. Empty stadium or not.

[rydermike]

Ok time to bring on Solteldo

[MightyDM]

FFS Mark.

[gracos]

RBNorth in full affect, 2nd best at everything, out to Curtis and Armas

[alex andrew]

Sucks from a fan perspective but if these players are in TO that solves so many other problems. Empty stadium or not.

yes, yes, even a couple of supporters would make a difference

[OgtheDim]

Ugh...just ugh.....

[MightyDM]

Bono out of position there. He couldn't shoot to his right with all the bodies in the way but Bono was guarding against that
.

[Auzzy]

We are SOOOOOO lacking in technical ability out there right now

Plus TFC not taking advantage of approx. 4 really good opportunities that were mostly given to them by RB. Feels like one of those games where that will come back to bite us, unless Soteldo can change things up. Problem is, RB will crowd him with 3 or 4 players to take him out of the game, and we don't have anyone who can take advantage of the opportunities that will open up.



What the hell am I watching right now? Looks like a bunch of 6 year olds running around with no sense of awareness or positioning.

The result of two teams pressing quickly, who are both not exactly barcelonesque in their ability to maintain possession, operate quickly, or operate in tight spaces. While I was typing this, the game stream was running on the other screen, which I could see in my peripheral vision. Camera panning back & forth, back & forth, and so on, as if operated by a Roomba, as the ball ping ponged back and forth between the two sides.

[notthesun]

Yikes, that hurts because we've forced them into like 4 turnovers that were in a more dangerous position than that and done nothing with each of them. They actually capitalized.

[PaceyWinger]

Really bad from Mark. not the time for a spin move with everyone else pushed up. and then classic tfc try not to get in the way defending.

[Bushmancan]

I missed the start, has there been any update at all on Achara?

[Auzzy]

Yes and TFC pay for not taking advantage of the many opportunities that were gifted to them. While RB does.

[ag futbol]

FFS Richie
That’s all on Delgado for losing possession. Tactically Richie has to get forward.

And despite coming through a crowd, Bono gets beat on a straight shot at his near post. Hate to say it, but from what I see, he’s never going to be MLS starter quality again.

[rydermike]

Delgado with a double Dion there on that tackle

https://youtu.be/Y6v4-2a1lCU

[daner90]

This is just ugly

[FootBallAZ]

Caden Clark is a stud.

Who was that, that gave the ball away ?

Bono should have done better


No one on tfc can strike the ball from outside the 18 yard box maybe joze, iffy, soleldo, poz

[gracos]

Please understand Soteldo will not win us the game alone if we dont have the proper supports for him, how can a club start off with so many injuries, it seems like our medical staff is lacking in getting our players up to match shape; even if we left a month earlier as we had CCL; just to start off with so many players out and relying on our youth in so many games is going to bite you eventually

[MightyDM]

marky playing ut of osition is really hurting. Also interesting Arams with the young guys - seems to permit two a game.

[PaceyWinger]

I missed the start, has there been any update at all on Achara?
He has to miss at least the first 6 games on long term injury. He's basically unavailable for selection right now. Even then - he had a MAJOR surgery to his knee so very unlikely that he's ready for MLS speed until later this summer.

[alex andrew]

Delgado with a double Dion there on that tackle

https://youtu.be/Y6v4-2a1lCU

i am not convinced ( maybe i am wrong ), that it was his mistake

what led to him getting the ball ? why did he get it ? what was expected from him ?

[MightyDM]

deleon looks like he is running in sand

[Thomas]

At least I’d be entertained if the Yefer came on.

[Bushmancan]

Thanks

[rydermike]

i am not convinced ( maybe i am wrong ), that it was his mistake

what lead to him getting the ball ? why did he get it ? what was expected from him ?


My post was a play after the goal. He slide tackled a red bull knocked him into another red bull and both Bulls went down

[MightyDM]

Caldwell is right - they need to regroup.

[OgtheDim]

Priso & Auro...maybe not.

[Auzzy]

No one on tfc can strike the ball from outside the 18 yard box maybe joze, iffy, soleldo, poz

Problem is, Poz has decided to chip the ball 95% of the time, instead of putting his foot through it. And I can't remember the last time Jozy tried a long shot (or really any kind of shot).

[SoccMan2]

Lol Morrow was going to start but has a calf sore lol you can’t make this shit up with these team even if you wanted lol!

[MightyDM]

Delgod giveaway again. he is struggling in this position

[SirBobSaget]

Is the gameplan to see how many times they can roll send the ball passed the right sided goalline?

PAssing accuracy at 63%! I was guessing 60 before I checked.

[rydermike]

Instead of an injury report, at this point tfc should release healthy reports

[Auzzy]

Caldwells comments today have been very good, to me at least.

I just can't stand him anymore. Muted him 15 minutes in. It's really too bad that TSN Live doesn't let you listen to stadium sound only (like OneSoccer does). I hate having the game totally muted.

[alex andrew]

My post was a play after the goal. He slide tackled a red bull knocked him into another red bull and both Bulls went down

yes, sorry

[gracos]

great half for the Red Bulls, horrible half for RBNorth

[MikeForbes]

Players who have played well:
Michael Bradley

Players who sucked:
Everyone else.

[ag futbol]

That was as poor of a half of football as I’ve seen in the Armas era so far. Maybe to be expected with this lineup.

[Auzzy]

great half for the Red Bulls, horrible half for RBNorth

It's a bit confusing these days, with Red Bull North's home field south of Red Bull South.

[DavemTFC]

I think that's the worst I've ever seen Delgado play, honestly. He HAS to sit the second half. Has he even been rested once this year?

[SoccMan2]

I know he is young but Nelson has not impressed me at all anytime he has played , hopefully for his sake he will eventually improve but so far not looking good at all.

[Auzzy]

Players who have played well:
Michael Bradley

Players who sucked:
Everyone else.

I don't even know about Bradley. Some really poor shot and pass attempts when TFC was close to the RB net.

[MikeForbes]

I think that's the worst I've ever seen Delgado play, honestly. He HAS to sit the second half. Has he even been rested once this year?

Delgado might be my favorite player on the team, but he was dreadful there. Him, Priso and DeLeon should be off.

[Oldtimer]

I'll give Armas some time, but the team is poorly organized, especially the defence. Maybe it's just the injuries, maybe it's players being forced out of preferred positions, but Armas better fix things.

[Soccerpro]

Delgado looked like he was actively trying to help the Red Bulls. He was that bad.
Deleon sucks.
Akinola is not a DP level striker (we pay 6 million dollars to another striker to be injured all the time)
Bono can't be the starter going forward.
We can't string 5 passes together.

[MikeForbes]

I don't even know about Bradley. Some really poor shot and pass attempts when TFC was close to the RB net.

No one can pass today so I will give him a free pass on that. He is winning the ball back and moving it quick though.

[Yohan]

great half for the Red Bulls, horrible half for RBNorth

Its insulting to Red Bulls organization to call TFC RBNorth.

TFC can't execute tactics like a Red Bulls team can lol

[tfcfans]

Who knew that having no DPs on the field, no Osorio, and no Westberg would make a difference?! It’s just shocking really, that -5 starters we aren’t a very good football team, especially up front....😂😂😂

[PaceyWinger]

Excited to see if Yef can make magic happen with Nick Deleon and Mark Delgado up there with him lol.

[OgtheDim]

They had 2 chances through the press & scored on one.

We had chances to play the ball to the right man & hesitated.


When you play the press, you have to move the ball in attack fast - that requires commitment to try things. A lot of our guys are waiting for the right moment instead of using the moment they have right now.

DeLeon is not a creative force - switching him & Delgado might actually work but Armas doesn't think outside the box.

[Yohan]

No pozo, no party.

Hopefully Yeffy can bring the party

[MikeForbes]

Also, Mullinho on. There is a scrappy, hardworking goal out there for him.

[gracos]

Im off the train for Armas/Curtis, how can you be without so many players, we should be investing in our medical team ie Physio, Cardio, Trainers; please let me know any other club in the MLS missing so many players at the start of the season, this doesnt look like the FO did their offseason homework, and making sure our team was ready to go from the start

[Bushmancan]

This is getting very worrisome, Columbus Wednesday, NYFC next Saturday and we still haven’t played what would be close to a full squad. Need a result today because TFC is not disclosing whether anyone else is close to being ready. Need both Poz and Lawrence for Wednesday.

[Yohan]

They had 2 chances through the press & scored on one.

We had chances to play the ball to the right man & hesitated.


When you play the press, you have to move the ball in attack fast - that requires commitment to try things. A lot of our guys are waiting for the right moment instead of using the moment they have right now.

DeLeon is not a creative force - switching him & Delgado might actually work but Armas doesn't think outside the box.

Theres years of habits playing under Vanney system to get rid of.

The Armas way, whatever that is, not yet embedded in the players yet

[MikeForbes]

Presstriggerpointshighpresstriggerpointspress. Blah, blah, blah.

[ag futbol]

I know he is young but Nelson has not impressed me at all anytime he has played , hopefully for his sake he will eventually improve but so far not looking good at all.
Agreed. Honestly, I think we should let others play until we have a full strength lineup.

He might look a little bit better with other better attacking options around him to open up space. But still, no sign of end product right now...

[MikeForbes]

Is there a bet in the TSN studio over who can say 'trigger points' the most in today's broadcast?

[MikeForbes]

Nelson is behind Shaff and JMR in terms of the young wingers to me. He needs gametime and isn't good enough to be getting it here this year.

[DavemTFC]

I don't think there's a single player on either side who ahsn't had at least one bad giveaway today. The red bull way!

[OgtheDim]

Theres years of habits playing under Vanney system to get rid of.

The Armas way, whatever that is, not yet embedded in the players yet

The thing is, anybody midfielder with a modicum of technical ability can make those passes quick & in the past we've seen it when NYRB lacks those people for matches, they struggle.

We have 4 mids who seem to be able to do so - Laryea, Osorio, Poz & presumably Soteldo. Richie played OK that half in my mind because he went at players & tried things. But when he's giving the ball to Nelson, DeLeon, Bradley or Priso...its going nowhere.

[MikeForbes]

No changes. Great. The team was playing really well.

[ag futbol]

They had 2 chances through the press & scored on one.

We had chances to play the ball to the right man & hesitated.


When you play the press, you have to move the ball in attack fast - that requires commitment to try things. A lot of our guys are waiting for the right moment instead of using the moment they have right now.

DeLeon is not a creative force - switching him & Delgado might actually work but Armas doesn't think outside the box.
To be frank, they just have more quality out there than we do.

We might have created turnovers with the press but we look clueless about how to turn those opportunities into goals. They’ve looked a lot better when the openings have occurred.

Also the back line looks incredibly shaky. Every time I see Gonzalez run for a slightly misplaced pass it’s a disaster.

[jloome]

Cant get much worse than that first half.

Ugly lump it footie.

Delgado should never play wide, doesn’t have the quick turn inside.

Nelson is nowhere near ready.

[MikeForbes]

Alright, guys. Be back after. Hopefully in a better mood.

[Bushmancan]

Yes it can, we have to listen to Caldwell. Ayo fell and Caldwell raves about the defending of the Red Bull’s. Ayo must do better than that.

[ag futbol]

These set pieces are awful

[jloome]

Good lord, Nick...

[ensco]

I actually think Caldwell has over rotated. I think he saw the stick he was getting here the last couple of weeks and is now not pointing out obvious problems.

Its not better when he plays it this way either.

[Yohan]

Gawd. Nelson is so raw. He's so not MLS ready yet

[ag futbol]

Finally, some hope.

[Thomas]

Nelson doesn’t look half good. Just runs around like a headless chicken.

[Bushmancan]

I actually think Caldwell has over rotated. I think he saw the stick he was getting here the last couple of weeks and is now not pointing out obvious problems.

Its not better when he plays it this way either.

I do know what you mean and I have seen that but Ayo on that play stopped himself.

[tfcfans]

Let’s all pray #30 is the DP we so desperately want and desperately need.....

[MightyDM]

El jefe!

[Thomas]

Yefer is going to have to adjust to our skill level of play.

[jloome]

This is awful. No
Movement off the ball, no tight interplay.

[Thomas]

Yeah….everything seems to be off.

[flatpicker]

OMG this game is a mess.

[OgtheDim]

Hmmm...Soteldo's shorts

[Thomas]

Still have a chance to get back into this.

[SirBobSaget]

WHY does Wileman have to go and spoil the Chelsea vs MAn City result??? Was planning on watching following this game!

[Bushmancan]

Poz… 7 -14 days, we could be 0-1-5.

[PaceyWinger]

People have knives out for 18 year old Nelson but at least he contributed SOME linkup play in the 90 minutes he's had this year. Deleon will dribble the ball off on his own to lose or send a soft ball over to a teammate covered by 3 players. He's got utility when players are out but its getting old. He's not a teen.

[jloome]

Pathetic. No communication.

[gracos]

NYRB score, lol

[rydermike]

Bono needs to grab that

[Soccerpro]

This TFC team is terrible.

[notthesun]

We suck.

[noxx98]

What on earth was that?

[flatpicker]

F*cking shambles

[Thomas]

Omar ball watching

[sn0re]

What a lousy giveaway. Why tf isn’t Westburg on

[Smokecell]

There is no sugar coating it - the team looks like shit under Armas

[RealG-TFC]

We stink, I'd rather Vanney-ball

[mowe]

Not at all surprising. If Westberg can't get a start midweek after this we have no hope for the rest of the season.

[ag futbol]

People have knives out for 18 year old Nelson but at least he contributed SOME linkup play in the 90 minutes he's had this year. Deleon will dribble the ball off on his own to lose or send a soft ball over to a teammate covered by 3 players. He's got utility when players are out but its getting old. He's not a teen.
Yeah DeLeon has been awful, should have been subbed a while ago. Akinola looks not great either.

[gracos]

Enjoy Mo Johnston days because thats what B Manning brought us; if Curtis and Armas arent good enough for NYRB what makes me think they are good enough for TFC

[tfcfans]

Let me know when Poz and Westberg and a real striker (not sure who that is?!) are on the field - until then we are a bottom 5 team in this league.....

[Lab Rat]

WHY does Wileman have to go and spoil the Chelsea vs MAn City result??? Was planning on watching following this game!

Me too. Piss me off. STFU and call this game.

[Bushmancan]

Westberg has to start on Wednesday. Mavinga a stopped running and was caught just watching the play.

[MightyDM]

Clark is very impressive indeed. Shambles by us though. we look terrible to be honest; hoepfully its just that we are missing our best player (poz) best striker (jozy) and best midfielder (oso)

[OgtheDim]

At the end of this game, Armas (& Bono's supporters in the media) are going to say Bono was not at fault for the goals & he is playing well.

All ignoring the fact that Bono can not marshall his backline.

[MikeForbes]

This is just garbage.

[Inklink]

lmao Mavinga Gonzalez

[FootBallAZ]

Lol so inspiring

[tfcfans]

Omar is a pylon - teach Kemar how to play in the middle back there.....

[PizzaEatingYeti]

Mullinho sighting,
No problem, he'll bag 3, and we win this one!

[jloome]

“Fabio was hesitant”...
And yet still danced around Omar like he was a pylon.

[Thomas]

Omar moves like molasses.

[MikeForbes]

Slowmar Gonzalez.

[Soccerpro]

This team is like watching the old TFC teams over 2012, 2013. Watching the games, where is the offense going to come from?

[PaceyWinger]

What are they even trying to do right now? Not only do I hate the play but i detest the system. its so bad. it finds a way to make even our healthy players worse playing to the defficiencies in their game.

[ag futbol]

At the end of this game, Armas (& Bono's supporters in the media) are going to say Bono was not at fault for the goals & he is playing well.

All ignoring the fact that Bono can not marshall his backline.
Agree but Omar Gonzalez’s glacial-like pace isn’t helping either. The relationship between the defence and midfield also looks broken.

[Yohan]

A 17 yr old phenom is pwning us

[MikeForbes]

This team is like watching the old TFC teams over 2012, 2013. Watching the games, where is the offense going to come from?

From hoofed long balls, I guess. We have reverted back to a MLS 1.0 playing style.

[rocktml]

It seems like these boys have no game plan. Can’t put passes together. I’ve watched a lot of MLS games this year and TFC by far the worse looking

[FootBallAZ]

Waiting for a backwards pass from Omar to Bono giveaway

[OgtheDim]

This sort of game happens almost every time we got to NYRB.

Do decent enough in the first 20-30 minutes, but lack the final touch.

Give up a goal against the run of play.

Can't do a DAMN thing afterwards.

Give up a second goal due to some defensive stupidity.


Ends 2-0.



******

We are going to get crushed in the next 2 games if we play this way.

[Inklink]

Delgado is crap

[MightyDM]

no evidence so far that Arms knows what he is doing. when Poz and Oso join will be interesting to see, plus the wild card of Jozy. Dunno. Complete shambles today and i dont find helter skelter persausive

[Oldtimer]

Bono needs to grab that

Absolutely.


We stink, I'd rather Vanney-ball

Vanney was very underrated by many. I expect LAG to have a good year.


Enjoy Mo Johnston days because thats what B Manning brought us; if Curtis and Armas arent good enough for NYRB what makes me think they are good enough for TFC

Mo was a NYRB reject. So now we've tripled down on that bet. I'm starting to get TFC PTSD flashbacks to the bad old days.

[SirBobSaget]

It seems like these boys have no game plan. Can’t put passes together. I’ve watched a lot of MLS games this year and TFC by far the worse looking

Looking like last year's Whitecaps.

[TFC1154ever]

This team is actually hard to watch. It’s not just today either. It literally looks like they’re out of ideas.

Literally looks like they don’t have a coach lol.

[Bushmancan]

Mark not happy.

[Smokecell]

Was very skeptical of Armas when we bombed out of the CCL and he didn’t seem bothered. Think he’s a full blown bozo now to back it up with this performance.

[ag futbol]

I mean, full acknowledgment this isn’t our 100% team and things are in flux but when:

- our set pieces suck
- our set piece defending sucks
- defensively we look disorganized
- attack wise we are not dangerous
- lineup choices are a bit dubious (DeLeon at AM, Bono in goal)
- Our tactics reflect some sort of cult-like adherence to a system rather than thinking of the characteristics or our roster or our opposition.

Doesn’t look good on the coach. Let’s hope it gets better.

[jloome]

JMR also looking out of his depth so far.

Starts feeling like they’re forcing the youth before ready.

[MightyDM]

FFS Bono. Good to see Okello on though

[Thomas]

Yes, very painful watching this

[Graeme]

5 subs and DeLeon is still o the field!

[FootBallAZ]

I realized soteldo is going to be a island with no one Bek g able to pass him the ball lol

[rydermike]

Mark not happy.
Dear Marky,

If you don't like it, playbetter

[Rust]

Oh man, not the start of the season I was expecting. ):

Come back soon, Pozo! And we need you Soteldo!

[tfcfans]

A fluke tying goal against Vancouver or we easily could be 0-7 - we aren’t beating Columbus, or NYC or Orlando on the road either (barring a fluke penalty or red card) - we will see what this team looks like on June 19th and call it a 7 game write off to start the year (maybe we have 3 or 4 points after 7 games) and we then chase points the rest of the year to try to squeak into the playoffs - trying to pull a 2019 TFC kind of thing (or as its normally known - “pulling a Seattle”).....

A healthy lineup with Kemar, Poz, Oso, Jozy (?!), Soteldo (full time), Westberg, looks like it could be a very good team; this incarnation of TFC these past few games simply is not a good team for many, many reasons.

[PaceyWinger]

This team is like watching the old TFC teams over 2012, 2013. Watching the games, where is the offense going to come from?

Exactly. Aparently only a brilliant one on one play from a forward since there is absolutely no coherent plan for keeping the ball. Its one thing to say Liverpool or Lille play a pressing style but they have players who can do that and the minute injuries krept in to Anfield even the mighty Liverpool struggled. We're like a Sunday league squad trying to be RB Leipzig.

[MightyDM]

we are mentally slow - Morrow put okello in a terrible position there

[PaceyWinger]

Good to see Mark slowly walking off the pitch down 2 goals after the game of his life.

[MikeForbes]

Delgado has a little Michael Bradley in him that he thinks he should play 90 minutes every game. It is a good quality. Except when you are Michael Bradley and everyone is scared to death of you for some reason.

[MightyDM]

so far not a fan of this style - it only looked good against club leon. true we have good players to come but the fact remains that you cannot play a high press with an aging core and slow back 4

[Bushmancan]

The thing that i find the scariest is that we are jogging and they are running. This is not high pressure football.

[alex andrew]

penny for yeffe's thoughts

[Soccerpro]

A fluke tying goal against Vancouver or we easily could be 0-7 - we aren’t beating Columbus, or NYC or Orlando on the road either (barring a fluke penalty or red card) - we will see what this team looks like on June 19th and call it a 7 game write off to start the year (maybe we have 3 or 4 points after 7 games) and we then chase points the rest of the year to try to squeak into the playoffs - trying to pull a 2019 TFC kind of thing (or as its normally known - “pulling a Seattle”).....

A healthy lineup with Kemar, Poz, Oso, Jozy (?!), Soteldo (full time), Westberg, looks like it could be a very good team; this incarnation of TFC these past few games simply is not a good team for many, many reasons.

The problem is that Jozy will never be healthy, and without a dangerous striker, no team can be dominant.

[jloome]

Do we even have a shot on net yet?

This is rank. From one game off the Supporters shield to this.

[MikeForbes]

penny for yeffe's thoughts

Probably considering handing in a transfer request after the game after seeing the style of soccer we are playing.

[tfcfans]

That’s the (?!) beside Jozy in my list - we all know that the lack of a reliable striker, AND the fact that he’s eating up a DP spot is killing us.....

[ag futbol]

The problem is that Jozy will never be healthy, and without a dangerous striker, no team can be dominant.
Okay, completely agree. But when playing like this, it sort of draws into question whether we can even be competitive, forget dominant.

[alex andrew]

Probably considering handing in a transfer request after the game after seeing the style of soccer we are playing.

looks like a handball player asked to play volleyball

[gracos]

once again Soteldo and Pozuelo can only play great if they have a great supporting cast, yes the youth are important but our team shouldnt be mostly consisting of them, use them as depth not the starting XI, and get your squad ready for the season, even if it meant leaving a month earlier to Florida so you could get the proper medical support, once again i ask if any other MLS club is missing so many players to injuries, i havent heard any therefore our club hasnt done its homework in the offseason and thus we fans will struggle in seeing great performances, our next games are not going to be any easier and we will already be so far behind, should we look to the draft as i dont see any improvements coming anytime soon

[Thomas]

Did we have a game this bad last year? I don’t care about the final score

[PaceyWinger]

we really poured it on them once they went down 2 and started defending hey?

[MikeForbes]

Playing a crappy style versus a team who has perfected that crappy style. Guess it is a recipe for disaster.

[jloome]

Poor lineup choices, poor organization. Tactically limited, underprepared. He didn’t even push them up to press high when we went down two.

Cant see it. Maybe I was premature dumping on him in week two, but nothing since has changed my mind. He’s Mo/Nelsen round three. (Mariner was so bad he doesn’t even make that company).

[MightyDM]

I'll give Armas some time, but the team is poorly organized, especially the defence. Maybe it's just the injuries, maybe it's players being forced out of preferred positions, but Armas better fix things.

Thats how it looks to me.

[OgtheDim]

NYRB fans pwning Armas by chanting "Gerhard Struber"

[MikeForbes]

Obviously it is too early to start talking about firing Armas, but if we really are a "big team", how long do we give him if the poor results continue?

[mowe]

We looked completely disinterested. This is extremely troubling.

[SirBobSaget]

Did we have a game this bad last year? I don’t care about the final score

Well the 5-0 Philly drubbing was bad, but the attack was way more cohesive. This is just boring and shambolic.

[Inklink]

What a frustrating, lifeless "style" this team has. Can't remember a coordinated play up the field at any point in the 2nd half (I missed most of the first).

[FootBallAZ]

One more game

[Thomas]

Imagine how embarrassing it would be to see them play like that in person at BMO? Embarrassing isn’t the right word. Maybe pissed off.

[ag futbol]

Obviously it is too early to start talking about firing Armas, but if we really are a "big team", how long do we give him if the poor results continue?
Well, it depends how bad the results are. Short of pulling an Aron Winter I think we’re stuck with him for a while.

But playing like this pressure is only going to increase when the stadium opens. This style of play has no redeeming qualities when you don’t win.

[gracos]

Obviously it is too early to start talking about firing Armas, but if we really are a "big team", how long do we give him if the poor results continue?

very valid question; i no longer find us to be a big team, rushed signing of Curtis who decided instead of looking for the best coaching candidate to bring in his buddy, i am having a very difficult time in supporting the management of our club and thus making it very difficult to support the club, i know i support the badge but the current methods arent working and its time we move on from Curtis/Armas, who are NYRB rejects; if they werent good enough for NYRB what makes me think they are good enough for TFC

[Oldtimer]

Obviously it is too early to start talking about firing Armas, but if we really are a "big team", how long do we give him if the poor results continue?

0-10. Got to beat Aron Winter's "worst team in the world" start. :lol:

[MightyDM]

Poor lineup choices, poor organization. Tactically limited, underprepared. He didn’t even push them up to press high when we went down two.

Cant see it. Maybe I was premature dumping on him in week two, but nothing since has changed my mind. He’s Mo/Nelsen round three. (Mariner was so bad he doesn’t even make that company).

Fair summary of season so far. Early doors yet, BUT.

[pfk]

That wasn't fun to watch.

[Smokecell]

This is the Armas we expected when we cheaped out on a coach

[daner90]

No real positives to take from this match. We were set up to fail with the personnel choices and the strategy from the get go.

Deleon and Delgado were awful. We looked lost when we actually got the ball.

Hopefully this team can get healthy and things get better but it looks like we are in for some brutal football

[notthesun]

One of the most listless games I can remember watching, we laid an egg on every giveaway we forced in the first 30 minutes then did absolutely nothing of note the rest of the game.

Soteldo looks very talented, that's the only positive from today.

[jloome]

One of the most listless games I can remember watching, we laid an egg on every giveaway we forced in the first 30 minutes then did absolutely nothing of note the rest of the game.

Soteldo looks very talented, that's the only positive from today.

That and Caden Clarke will be at Bayern Munich within three years.