MLS Match Day 2 - VCWC "@" TFC - Saturday April 24 3:08pm - Why do you come here

[OgtheDim]

The weakness in me


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a8MRbHf5pA




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Have at It People

[ensco]

Anybody playing Cruz Azul Tuesday has to either (i) sit out or (ii) if you are Michael Bradley, play 45 minutes maximum.

[Auzzy]

Just would like to confirm how idiotic it is to have a game of footy at 3pm in Orlando: 31 degrees feeling like 33, pretty big risk of thunderstorm (which is common for the area for that time). Instead of evening when it will be 27 or less; no sun beating down; 0% chance of precipitation which means it will feel much less oppressive.

[MikeForbes]

Anybody playing Cruz Azul Tuesday has to either (i) sit out or (ii) if you are Michael Bradley, play 45 minutes maximum.

Hahahahaha. I am actually convinced that Bradley intimidates his coaches into playing him every minute of every game. The guy is a warrior. Unfortunately at 33 he needs to cut back those minutes.

[PizzaEatingYeti]

What the heck is with this idiotic programming of TFC matches?
Our first match started at 2 PM and this one is at 3 PM ??!!

I am very angry at TFC management for not objecting this scheduling.
I mean really? 2 games in row, and nested between our 2 CONCACAF champs matches with very little rest from and to?

Mind-boggling really...

:facepalm: /Rant Over/ :facepalm:

[noimpactinmtl]

Just would like to confirm how idiotic it is to have a game of footy at 3pm in Orlando: 31 degrees feeling like 33, pretty big risk of thunderstorm (which is common for the area for that time). Instead of evening when it will be 27 or less; no sun beating down; 0% chance of precipitation which means it will feel much less oppressive.

On a more selfish note, I have to work until 6 that day. A game delayed until 6:30 would allow me to enjoy the game.

[ag futbol]

Anybody playing Cruz Azul Tuesday has to either (i) sit out or (ii) if you are Michael Bradley, play 45 minutes maximum.
I’m having flashbacks of Aron Winter. Will the broader fan base accept slipping league form in return for CCL success played on a far flung, online-subscription only channel?

But otherwise, I almost feel like we should sand-bag this game just to flip MLS the bird. Start griffin dorsey as the lone striker.,

[OgtheDim]

Just would like to confirm how idiotic it is to have a game of footy at 3pm in Orlando: 31 degrees feeling like 33, pretty big risk of thunderstorm (which is common for the area for that time). Instead of evening when it will be 27 or less; no sun beating down; 0% chance of precipitation which means it will feel much less oppressive.


Yeh, it would be nice if someone talking to Manning these days would ask about this - I could SORT of see last week being done earlier because the Miami game next day but Orlando isn't even playing at home this weekend.

[mowe]

Start time probably has to do with the game being on CTV. They’ve usually preferred afternoon games.

[ensco]

It's the usual, “stay away from hockey and the Raptors” scheduling, I am sure. An hour later than last week just to pick up an extra 10K people in BC.

I could see the argument for giving Pozo some minutes, btw. But might like him to come on later.

[ag futbol]

It's the usual, “stay away from hockey and the Raptors” scheduling, I am sure. An hour later than last week just to pick up an extra 10K people in BC.

I could see the argument for giving Pozo some minutes, btw. But might like him to come on later.
I am a naive simpleton when it comes to these matters and my ideas are probably misguided but I really loathe this scheduling.

You don’t have an audience because your time slots are bad. And your audience is low because you don't have a good time slot. Even worse, the quality of the product people see is impacted by the bad scheduling.

Something has to give...

[Canary10]

Anybody playing Cruz Azul Tuesday has to either (i) sit out or (ii) if you are Michael Bradley, play 45 minutes maximum.

I wish TFC had trained in Florida for those first couple of weeks instead of at Downsview so they'd be more used to the heat.

[Graeme]

Anybody playing Cruz Azul Tuesday has to either (i) sit out or (ii) if you are Michael Bradley, play 45 minutes maximum.

Actually, I hope there is a 4 way sub at about 60 minutes to bring in Osorio, Poz, Jozy and Mavinga (and take off Bradley/Delgado?), so they are ready to go for Tuesday. Very wishful thinking, but would be awesome to see...

[Mike_S]

Start time probably has to do with the game being on CTV. They’ve usually preferred afternoon games.

That's exactly it. CTV is not going to allow this match to interrupt their prime time schedule.

[OgtheDim]

Hmm...they brought Bono out for the pressers today. Methinks he starts.

[OgtheDim]

Ok, I'm pretty sure there is going to be video of these pressers with with Davidson asking Armas "So, Chris, can you give us any update on the status..." but in the meantime...

https://twitter.com/MichaelSingh94/status/1385310187507101697

[Graeme]

Actually, I hope there is a 4 way sub at about 60 minutes to bring in Osorio, Poz, Jozy and Mavinga (and take off Bradley/Delgado?), so they are ready to go for Tuesday. Very wishful thinking, but would be awesome to see...


Ok, I'm pretty sure there is going to be video of these pressers with with Davidson asking Armas "So, Chris, can you give us any update on the status..." but in the meantime...

https://twitter.com/MichaelSingh94/status/1385310187507101697

The dream is alive!

[OgtheDim]

https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/mlssoccer-com-injury-report





OUT: Ifunanyachi Achara (left ACL surgery)
OUT: Julian Dunn (right hip osteochondral injury)
OUT: Erickson Gallardo (right groin surgery)
OUT: Chris Mavinga (left calf)
OUT: Alejandro Pozuelo (right thigh)
QUESTIONABLE: Jozy Altidore (right thigh)
QUESTIONABLE: Tsubasa Endoh (left athletic pubalgia


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https://twitter.com/MichaelSingh94/status/1385706207562850305

[Rust]

I was certain that we would win Montreal easily... So I'm glad with a draw on this one.

[PaceyWinger]

Just to pick up on the game-time discussion with all of the mid-afternoon starts in scortching sun, from what I understand this is due to 2 factors:
1. TFC is a tennant. Orlando gets first choice and that isn't just about prefered game time, it's also a consideration about pitch conditions. i.e. they also have to factor in time to repair the field before Orlando takes the field. This is also a consideration for Vancouver and Montreal as I understand it.
2. MLS scheduling priorities. MLS isn't alone in this but the goal is to have matches staggered through the whole weekend (which is definitely a trend in world football). This will mean awkward starting times. Florida sun amplifies this but hey.. we're just about at the point where this becomes advantage TFC. Especially against Vancouver who've been training in Utah right?

[Auzzy]

Too bad about Poz. He was the iron man in past seasons.

I know there are some stupid reasons to have the game at 3pm in Orlando. They're still stupid especially at this time. Orlando FC isn't going to care if the game is at 3pm or 8pm on a weekend when they aren't even in Orlando. So much talk otherwise about player safety, the difficulty of playing "home" away from home, messed up off-season for multiple reasons, lots of injuries already. No TV station will benefit from more of the roster missing due to injuries or exhaustion. Misplaced priorities especially at this time.

[MightyDM]

It's the usual, “stay away from hockey and the Raptors” scheduling, I am sure. An hour later than last week just to pick up an extra 10K people in BC.

I could see the argument for giving Pozo some minutes, btw. But might like him to come on later.

And Oso. Treat it like a pre season. Oso on for MB at the half

[MightyDM]

Actually, I hope there is a 4 way sub at about 60 minutes to bring in Osorio, Poz, Jozy and Mavinga (and take off Bradley/Delgado?), so they are ready to go for Tuesday. Very wishful thinking, but would be awesome to see...
I like this. Even earlier. 55 minutes EDIT: just saw the injury update. Oh well.

[MightyDM]

Too bad about Poz. He was the iron man in past seasons.

I know there are some stupid reasons to have the game at 3pm in Orlando. They're still stupid especially at this time. Orlando FC isn't going to care if the game is at 3pm or 8pm on a weekend when they aren't even in Orlando. So much talk otherwise about player safety, the difficulty of playing "home" away from home, messed up off-season for multiple reasons, lots of injuries already. No TV station will benefit from more of the roster missing due to injuries or exhaustion. Misplaced priorities especially at this time.


SPot on.

[jloome]

Just would like to confirm how idiotic it is to have a game of footy at 3pm in Orlando: 31 degrees feeling like 33, pretty big risk of thunderstorm (which is common for the area for that time). Instead of evening when it will be 27 or less; no sun beating down; 0% chance of precipitation which means it will feel much less oppressive.

MLS has a deal with Freesports, the free over-the-air sports channel available across Europe, to televise blocks of games on Saturday. I suspect the scheduling is to respect that, as they get more viewers in a time zone six or seven hours ahead when the games start early.

For example, today Freesports is running MLS games from 330 EST to just after midnight.

[MikeForbes]

Nelson and DeLeon start.

[Red CB Toronto]

Nelson and DeLeon start.

No Priso or JMR in the 18 either.

[OgtheDim]

Hmmm.... a bench that looks better then the starting 11....

[MikeForbes]

Altidore, Osorio, Akinola all make the bench. Priso dropped completely from the squad.

https://twitter.com/TorontoFC/status/1386020677094883332?s=20

[Red CB Toronto]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ezwib62XsAMPc0B?format=jpg&name=small

[Red CB Toronto]

Altidore, Osorio, Akinola all make the bench. Priso dropped completely from the squad.

https://twitter.com/TorontoFC/status/1386020677094883332?s=20

Yep, some of the kids were bound to fall out of the 18 once some of the vets returned.

[MikeForbes]

If Zavaleta is healthy, he should be starting over Singh.

[reggie]

mullins again...i will be happy with a tie today

[MikeForbes]

Also, if Bradley plays all 90 minutes today we know he is and has actually been the coach of the team for the past 7 years.

[portu]

Also, if Bradley plays all 90 minutes today we know he is and has actually been the coach of the team for the past 7 years.
Pretty much. Still yet to see a coach that’s not USMNT be willing to take him off during a bad performance.

[FootBallAZ]

Does this mean Bono is first in goaltending depth chart ?

Lol ugly top half if the line up for sure

[MikeForbes]

Mullinho with 6, TFC wins 7-0.

[jloome]

Mullinho with 6, TFC wins 7-0.

Marky buries a sitter from two feet out, vindication complete, TFC 1-0

[Thomas]

Almost time to use the mute button.

[Rust]

Wow, Montreal is winning another one, 2x0 against Nashville away from home. I thought they would be an easy "practice" for everyone, boy was I wrong.

[PaceyWinger]

WOW luke singh! what a 2 week span for this dude

[OgtheDim]

That defending was shambolic by VCWC.

[gracos]

Congrats on your first goal Luke Singh, keep up the good start TFC and frustrate VWFC

[jloome]

Wow, Montreal is winning another one, 2x0 against Nashville away from home. I thought they would be an easy "practice" for everyone, boy was I wrong.

Glad we have Vancouver today!

The kid is all over them in the box.

great start... must be weird playing ina stadium with music and crowd noise but no people.

[portu]

Luke Singh is gonna push to start at the end of this season. Book it.

[benito]

Well done! Congrats Luke on your first goal!

[alex andrew]

Well done! Congrats Luke on your first goal!

congratulations luke

( would be spectacular if it were the winning goal )

[ensco]

This will be an interesting test of Armas' system.

We don’t have to chase, so no need to press 100% in the heat, and take those risks. Let’s see what they do.

[jloome]

“in fairness to Gonzalez,” ...fuck off , Caldwell. geez.

Why was he praising that anaemic offensive Vancouver move? Because as a Scotsman it’s anathema to praise his own.

he always has to overcompensate for being a former TfC player.

[OgtheDim]

Caldwell has this annoying thing about people playing in their "natural position". If he had his way, we'd be playing 4-4-1-1

[noxx98]

We have some of the best fake crowd noise. I remember last year playing NER away, their crowd noise seemed like the same 5 second clip played on repeat for 90 minutes.

[Rust]

Lets gooooo!

[jloome]

Good move by Mullins to pull two guys wide. That was a chance.

[MikeForbes]

Glad we are up. Not a great game so far for either side though.

[notthesun]

Feel like Nelson maybe needs a bit more incubating. I can tell he's got talent but he can't quite seem to put it together in the key moments (queue him scoring now that I've said this).

[Yohan]

Nelson is just not ready for MLS. Too many wrong decisions.

He needs a nice loan at CPL or USL to get some experience

[ensco]

Singh has been super solid at the back, including winning a couple of 1v1 situations with Cavallini. Not that Caldwell could care less.

[Bushmancan]

Great save.

[MikeForbes]

I maintain Nelson really needs a loan and to play a ton of minutes somewhere. Especially with Soteldo incoming.

[Thomas]

Agree about Nelson. Seems his feet are operating a few micro seconds ahead of his footy brain.

[OgtheDim]

A lot of giveaways

[MikeForbes]

Okello is very sloppy sometimes.

[alex andrew]

on the other hand, i see nelson playing defence

i am not at all convinced that yeferson will do it.....dunno....

[PaceyWinger]

I think its Nelson's first start and it was his cross that ended in the back of the net. This is a team that is going to run like crazy this summer and we will need him. We will have to be patient. He looks a bit out of sync but with actual minutes he will feel more comfort in his position in the system and with his teammates.

[ensco]

I dunno, Nelson and Auro are tripping all over each other, but I am not ready to declare Nelson not ready. He is hustling, tracking back nicely... declaring him a USL player seems premature.

[ag futbol]

After watching SKC-ORL last night, this game couldn ‘t be more different in terms of quality. Let’s take these points, bigger challenges are ahead

[ensco]

Is it unreal that these guys aren’t talking about Solteldo?

[OgtheDim]

Yup, can tell we don't have 2 of our best mids in.

[ag futbol]

Somebody has to be providing a little more quality up top. DeLeon, Mullins, and Nelson as a group just aren’t all that effective.

Much prefer Okello in one of those advanced positions.

[benito]

Not the best half but I am happy with the 1-0 lead. Quite a few sloppy passes and they look out of sync at times.

[MikeForbes]

I dunno, Nelson and Auro are tripping all over each other, but I am not ready to declare Nelson not ready. He is hustling, tracking back nicely... declaring him a USL player seems premature.

I don't think anyone is saying Nelson is trash and a full time USL player. It just seems like that if we want him to further develop he should be getting more minutes elsewhere as he is probably behind atleast Soteldo and Shaff on that left flank.

[Yohan]

way less aggressive on the press too. like they are saving up their energy for Tues

[portu]

I dunno, Nelson and Auro are tripping all over each other, but I am not ready to declare Nelson not ready. He is hustling, tracking back nicely... declaring him a USL player seems premature.
He just lacks that final bit of focus, but his willingness to try things and dribble is part of what makes him so good. Taking him off or sitting him for doing exactly what he’s best at will just strip him of confidence. He’s good, the nature of his game just leads to more “mistakes”.

[jloome]

Messy but effective. A team that isn’t sharp will get killed by the press. A team that is will tear it apart unless you have a very good first team.

This’ll probably work today, but against Seattle or LAFC we’ll be in big trouble if we can’t alternate with some possession-based play.

[PaceyWinger]

way less aggressive on the press too. like they are saving up their energy for Tues

Agreed. I think they will gladly take a boring 45 to see this one out. Also nice to see the press can be reeled in when it doesn't make sense. If they could possess the ball a bit in the 2nd that would help.

[ag futbol]

I seriously want to know what the hell TSN is thinking with this telecast team. It’s awful.

The example of covering space is Okello jogging in a straight line? Edit: and no mention of Solteldo? These guys are a bunch of corporate lap dogs. At least say something you clowns.

[MikeForbes]

I seriously want to know what the hell TSN is thinking with this telecast team. It’s awful.

The example of covering space is Okello jogging in a straight line?

I was just gonna mention that. The next clip was Okello moving slightly to his left.

[jloome]

I seriously want to know what the hell TSN is thinking with this telecast team. It’s awful.

The example of covering space is Okello jogging in a straight line?

Yeah, and the example right after that of Gonzalez “warning” Okello....only for the ball to be played across the Vancouver back line , nowhere near them!

Bizarre.

Again, no idea why Caldwell woudl think Vancouver would be happy with that half. We were okay, they were total shit.

[noxx98]

I seriously want to know what the hell TSN is thinking with this telecast team. It’s awful.

The example of covering space is Okello jogging in a straight line? Edit: and no mention of Solteldo? These guys are a bunch of corporate lap dogs. At least say something you clowns.
This is where they really miss KJ. I'm glad to see JDG get airtime, particularly since Canadian sports media is missing out on BIPOC voices, but he's not at the stage yet to be a lead analyst on TV. I feel like JDG playing off of KJ's lead would have been much better.

[OgtheDim]

I seriously want to know what the hell TSN is thinking with this telecast team. It’s awful.

The example of covering space is Okello jogging in a straight line? .....

They seriously miss a person who can break down a game tactically - Caldwell ain't it.

[ag futbol]

This is where they really miss KJ. I'm glad to see JDG get airtime, particularly since Canadian sports media is missing out on BIPOC voices, but he's not at the stage yet to be a lead analyst on TV. I feel like JDG playing off of KJ's lead would have been much better.
I mean, to be frank, agree there needs to be more diversity on the panels but JDG is a rambling, charisma-free offering.

Surely we have others who could do better. Dero would certainly add character and I’ve seen Adrian Serioux do these quite well too, although he’s closer to colour commentary than an analyst per say.

Really what they did was fire the person who should be doing the job and failed to realize that would be the hardest position to replace. You could fire either of the other guys 3x over and you’d have plenty of replacements.

[jloome]

fucking dive. Bad tackle but he went down like a leaf in a breeze.

[ensco]

Is Caldwell blind? That is a 50/50 call..

[MikeForbes]

Ugh...

[Yohan]

That was dumb by Laryea

[portu]

Incredibly dumb challenge by Laryea. What are you doing throwing a lazy leg in front of a player in the box?

100% penalty.

[FootBallAZ]

Looked like he got the ball first but also caught hip

[MikeForbes]

Whatever.

[jloome]

Look Caldwell, more effective Vancouver possession!

I swear, He’s fucking delusional.

[PaceyWinger]

Not great from Lareya. Sure Cava goes down easy but if you stick your legs in there you're begging for it.

[OgtheDim]

That was pretty pathetic lazy defending that led to that.

Like much of our midfield play, to be honest....lazy.

[ensco]

Incredibly dumb challenge by Laryea. What are you doing throwing a lazy leg in front of a player in the box?

100% penalty.

He got ball. Agree it was dumb. Not a 100% penalty.

[tfcfans]

This is just annoying to watch - how many teams are going to be playing with ZERO DPs on the field and still expect to win games. No Poz, No Jozy/Ayo (yet), No Oso, No Mavinga, seems to be turning into No chance.....maybe León was the peak for the “kids and No DP” lineup.....

[MikeForbes]

Love how Caldwell always wants to get Delgado off the field.

[Defoe]

This is the most boring match I've ever watched... zero quality on the pitch right now. Pozuelo and Soteldo can't come soon enough

[tfcfans]

Jozy and Oso....finally...

[Auzzy]

We're really weak on attack today. Lucky to have been one up. Now that's over after a silly challenge by Laryea, going in with his wrong foot, he didn't have a chance there.

Good that some of our attacking subs are ready to come in. Mullinho off, good, he also likes to slow-jog when he's supposed to press.

What I would say about the young guys: Nelson, Singh, Okello occasionally: they sometimes display a nonchalance that is out-of-step with their experience, skill-level and tenure on the team. I noticed the same thing last week with those and other young players.

I.e. Nelson in a ton of space not far from the Orlando goal; takes too much time and jogs to the ball; thinks he can shield off a much stronger Vancouver player. He had lots of time to do something better with the ball. A couple of other times where a simple pass would have been better than something fancy he tried. (Not that he should never be fancy; just more judicious.)

Singh jogging back after a turnover instead of sprinting.

Okello does similar things but definitely not as often.

[ensco]

Caldwell really is galling. These subs are not happening because “Armas is not happy with how the game is going”. We talked all week about how how would do exactly this.

[MikeForbes]

These are the subs we needed. Let's go.

[jloome]

Nick did okay. Got a good break and shot off I the first half which the Commentators have apparently forgotten,

[Rust]

These are the subs we needed. Let's go.

100% agreed

[tfcfans]

I’m not mad at this group but it’s like I’m watching 1/2 a team - easily there would be Jozy/Ayo, Poz, Oso, Mavinga and now a third DP (Soteldo) on the field as starters normally, so 5 (non-goalie) players who are missing.....it just makes a smidge of a difference.....

[Auzzy]

I've muted Caldwell & Co now.

Does anyone know: can I hear stadium sound on TSN Live w/o the commentators?

[MikeForbes]

Okello needs to be the next guy off.

[Auzzy]

Bono has to talk.

Singh has to listen.

[ag futbol]

I might be inclined to throw on JMR with the last sub. Or at least someone that on paper could find a forward on a map.

[MikeForbes]

Really interested to see Alexandre for Vancouver play. Just not today.

[portu]

Nice.

[tfcfans]

Let me know when my actual starting roster can be on the field at the same time - until then, this is garbage.....they’ve been outplayed today, and the 1-0 lead was a mirage....

[Thomas]

Caldwell seems to enjoy it when the opposition scores.

[jloome]

“It’s been coming” says Caldwell. they have no shots on goal in the half but somehow a header off a cross is vindication for his stream of bullshit. I ah e to turn the volume off, can’t listen to this ass any longer.

[MikeForbes]

Come on. Jesus.

[Auzzy]

Eff it.

Stupid foul to give.

A couple of people ball watching on the free kick. Why did Singh end up standing all alone at the penalty spot?

[gracos]

Ali Curtis and Chris Armas out now, im done with these management frauds

[OgtheDim]

Westberg's communication is being missed here. Armas seems to prefer shot stopping but our back line needs somebody to tell them who to watch & Bono isn't good enough at that.

[Inklink]

How much more of Gonzalez?

Caldwell is a moron, no idea why he was kept and they fired KJ.

[ag futbol]

Let me know when my actual starting roster can be on the field at the same time - until then, this is garbage.....they’ve been outplayed today, and the 1-0 lead was a mirage....
I don’t know if the 1-0 was a mirage but the team has looked pretty casual today. Needs to be sharper, especially from the guys stumping their case for more playing time.

[portu]

The injuries shouldn’t make a difference. By their own words: “No excuses”.

I will give this team at least half the season to sort their shit out. If we’re still playing poorly I will be on the #Out train.

[gracos]

can we just forfeit the match against Cruz Azul; those games wont be any fun, we signed NYRB rejects, if they werent good enough for the NYRB why would they be good enough for TFC

[jloome]

Both teams very poor, our defense slightly poorer

that’s the story so far, basically.

[OgtheDim]

I don’t know if the 1-0 was a mirage but the team has looked pretty casual today. Needs to be sharper, especially from the guys stumping their case for more playing time.

:iagree:

[tfcfans]

Cruz Azul games should be “super fun” - I’m betting on us losing the tie (maybe a close game in Orlando to start, and then a not so close one in Azteca), and coming up with more injuries as a result of those two extra games.....seems like the most likely option.....

[notthesun]

You'd think Vancouver was running us ragged by how Caldwell is describing the game. Yeah they've had more of the ball, and done what? Won a cheap penalty and a free kick? Like I'm supposed to be impressed?

Both teams look uninspiring.

[MikeForbes]

Akinola looks a little... Wider.

[Thomas]

They better add a decent chunk of time at the end.

[Bushmancan]

What a crazy goal

[tfcfans]

OMG!!

[jloome]

Sound back on so I can listen to Caldwell whine.

[Inklink]

HAHAH

long time coming eh Caldwell

[flatpicker]

That was goofy

[ensco]

This game is ridiculously poorly played.

[PaceyWinger]

What wahahahahas that!

[MikeForbes]

Let's go! Osorio!

[portu]

Shaf is good good

[MikeForbes]

This is the ugliest game ever.

[Bushmancan]

They dont have the system down clearly, but there is something worrisome and yet fun about the system.

[jloome]

First team is on, bitches.

[FootBallAZ]

Lol wow off three defenses

[Thomas]

Need at least 6 mins of extra time

[Bushmancan]

First team is on, bitches.

They needed game time, interesting watching Akinola on the right.

[ag futbol]

Need at least 6 mins of extra time
Objectively yes, but based on quality of play just blow the whistle at 90.

[notthesun]

Ahhhhh I think you just rip that on net Shaff

[Inklink]

Schaff needed to do more with that

[Inklink]

Need at least 6 mins of extra time

Nice

[ag futbol]

Has Bono ever connected a pass over 25 yards?

[FootBallAZ]

Is Altidore playing mid ?

[jloome]

This is such a bullshit narrative. They did not play well you fucking stooges. This almost reeks of a corporate stance, be nicer to the Whitecaps,or some bullshit. Believe me, after years in newsrooms, it happens.

[OgtheDim]

I do like to watch our team near the end when they can smell an unexpected winning goal.

[MikeForbes]

Where you at Jozy? Need some of that magic right now.

[Thomas]

Jozy used to take at least 4 or 5 steps. Now, it seems almost none.

[OgtheDim]

Is Altidore playing mid ?


Are you sure you wern't looking at a ....beefy...Akinola?

[jloome]

Bono huge.

[notthesun]

Massive save but Singh has to foul and take the yellow there 100%

[Thomas]

Yeah. Bones did good there.

[flatpicker]

Apparently this game was "enthralling".

ok

[Yohan]

About undeserved point as there it is

[tfcfans]

Yeesh - a tie seems kind frankly.....

[Auzzy]

Does anyone know how serious Poz's injury is? Need him back.

New guy can't come soon enough.

Somehow a point feels undeserved by both sides. Good night.

[jloome]

Good that they seemed to have worked that out.

Poor performance. Equally poor. We were shit, but having twenty percent more of the ball and doing zero with it doesn’t equate to them having a good game . Although, I dunno, maYbe expectations are so low there that it does.

[MikeForbes]

Not an inspiring start to the league season.

[OgtheDim]

Nah, I'd call that deserved.

Caps have nothing beyond set pieces & hoping Cavalini can do something.

We had nothing beyond pure unadulterated luck of the bounces.

There's not all that much difference between the two.


Learning things about the yutes and getting the vets minutes back in. All without our League MVP.

If we are still playing like this with Poz, Mavinga, Oso & the new guy in there from minute 1, then I'd be worried. But we are not.

[jloome]

So according to the official stats, we outpossessed them 52/48, we outshot them 12/8, our passingpercentage was three points higher at 84/81...


But clearly, according to TSN, that was a dominant Vancouver performance.

Jesus H.

poor is poor, but that was a hard crock of shit to sit through.

[Rust]

Well, it could've been better... or worse. In the end, 1 point is not that bad away from home, but we need to start winning soon.

[ensco]

This was just another bad game in Covid. I mean, really bad. I think there were 90 giveaways, one a minute, when you add up bad passes, totally unmarked players, and general howlers at the back.

I wasn’t going to watch but got excited about Yefe.

I really enjoyed all the informed commentary about the Yefe move, and the insights into who he is and how he might be used.

[ag futbol]

So they mention the signing on sportscentre after the game as a throw away line, good grief.

[jloome]

This was just another bad game in Covid. I mean, really bad.

I wasn’t going to watch but got excited about Yefe.

I really enjoyed all the informed commentary about the Yefe move, and the insights into how he might be used.

yeah, I must be rusty as hell. They sat on the biggest narrative all night. Didn’t even mention it.

astounding. A decade or two ago, broadcasters would be fired for something that lax.

[leedsandTFC]

this team will look very different in a few weeks with poz, mavinga, ayo/jozy/osario fit enough to start + yefe.

[MikeForbes]

Caldwell probably hates the move to get a South American. He likely wanted Junior Hoilett or something.

[SoccMan2]

Westberg's communication is being missed here. Armas seems to prefer shot stopping but our back line needs somebody to tell them who to watch & Bono isn't good enough at that.
Bono was never the problem, was good enough to win an MLS Cup and good enough to take TFC to the Champions League Final. The 2018 season was a shit show due to playing a USL side for most of the first part of the season and the team being burnt out from not having a proper off season . Bono was not the problem but somehow he is on the bench for most of the 2019 season and last season . Hopefully the big guns are all back soon because with only 7 teams making the playoffs you can’t keep dropping points .

[OgtheDim]

yeah, I must be rusty as hell. They sat on the biggest narrative all night. Didn’t even mention it.

astounding. A decade or two ago, broadcasters would be fired for something that lax.


Devil's Advocate - he's not actually signed so maybe...

Reality - Wileman mentionned it once right at the beginning of the game so why not discuss it? BECAUSE Caldwell & Wileman have those cards of information they have to get through & Caldwell decides the narrative every 10 minutes and sticks to it.

[ensco]

Can someone start the Cruz Azul thread? Need to move on and pretend this ridiculous game never happened.

[benito]

A tie seems like a fair result provided you can’t award losses to both teams.

[DavemTFC]

I normally don't mind Caldwell but he was awful today. Good to see Oso and Ayo back but they weren't at 100% match sharpness. Most of our guys played ok to mediocre. Nelson was awful - just straight up bullied all game. Onto the next one I guess

[ManUtd4ever]

Decent result under the circumstances with a patchwork lineup.

The heat took a toll on the match quality.

[OgtheDim]

Can someone start the Cruz Azul thread? Need to move on and pretend this ridiculous game never happened.


Up now...

[JustSaying]

yeah, I must be rusty as hell. They sat on the biggest narrative all night. Didn’t even mention it.

astounding. A decade or two ago, broadcasters would be fired for something that lax.

To be fair, TSN had a segment on TFC signing Soteldo in the half-hour pre-game show.

[reggie]

not bad...considering we played barca and RM.if you listen to caldwell

[FootBallAZ]

Does anyone know how serious Poz's injury is? Need him back.

New guy can't come soon enough.

Somehow a point feels undeserved by both sides. Good night.

I understood Singh injured poz in training due to his aggressiveness as per Armas.

A birdie may have mentioned mavinga/poz back for tues.

Would be wonderful

[Yohan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_uXZS7gMSU

[Red CB Toronto]

It will be interesting to see over the next few weeks in regards to the yutes as the vets regain their spots, who will we see essentially sent down to TFC II to get regular minutes as they will be in Arizona? Kind of surprised TFC II will not be in Florida where they can be integrated wit the first team at least from a training stand point. So who sticks and who does not for the time being? i figure CPL loans will be in the cards once we know what their plans are too?


Nah, I'd call that deserved.

Caps have nothing beyond set pieces & hoping Cavalini can do something.

We had nothing beyond pure unadulterated luck of the bounces.

There's not all that much difference between the two.


Learning things about the yutes and getting the vets minutes back in. All without our League MVP.

If we are still playing like this with Poz, Mavinga, Oso & the new guy in there from minute 1, then I'd be worried. But we are not.

[PizzaEatingYeti]

This was just another bad game in Covid. I mean, really bad. I think there were 90 giveaways, one a minute, when you add up bad passes, totally unmarked players, and general howlers at the back.


I recently watched a League 1 match (England) between two middle table teams (totally average teams!), just because I had a wager on that match. Otherwise of course I never ever watch England 3rd level matches, because why would I?

Now I am being very honest here: the level of play was clearly better than like in this TFC-Vancouver game, also the match was a lot more enjoyable. Which is shocking somehow (Or not?).

Just forget the excuses about being too hot, was just the 2nd game of the season, and half of TFC's first choice team was missing most of the match from the pitch. How can 2 MLS teams show such a poor level of football?

I really hope that Yefe didn't watch this match, because otherwise would be severely depressed for a while, lol...

[jloome]

Now I am being very honest here: the level of play was clearly better than like in this TFC-Vancouver game, also the match was a lot more enjoyable. Which is shocking somehow (Or not?).

Yeah... but was it?

Go watch the Aussie A-League. They move the ball around competently like League One, as well.

I watch league one occasionally and the A-league and they often look more organized than an MLS game; but the reason players from those leagues generally crap out in MLS is because it's all at lower speed, with less athleticism and less pressure.

Then go watch Barnsley FC play; they play the high press, middle block like a lot of MLS teams and it's like watching ping-pong, there's so little ball control.

They'd still crush most of the teams in League One on individual talent, but it looks like shit. If you were to watch the average Barnsley match (they won with two shots on the weekend) you would assume the level was lower than League One.

Go watch women's pro football. It will also look like it has a better "level of play" because of organized build up and accurate passing.... none of which would mean squat if they were playing against MLS teams.

Then go watch the MLS highlight package from last weekend and show me a comparable reel from League One.

[OgtheDim]

To me, MLS, when in form, is mid table Championship level in terms of quality of play. I base this on the ability to find spaces & pass the ball.

But, lets be honest about this, MLS this year is just starting its season, in the second year of covid, with all teams having hap hazard preseasons - the play is crud because its going to be so.

TFC would have even more issues due to the coaching change &, just as importantly, the loss for a few weeks of the one offseason sense of stability - the training program.


I honestly think the worst games we will play this season are over this few weeks stretch, without Poz & Osorio who set up a LOT of this teams qualities.