2020-2021 MLS off-season transfers (non-TFC)

[Oldtimer]

Post any news here.

[MikeForbes]

Alejandro 'Papu' Gomez linked with Cinci.

https://twitter.com/ChloeJBeresford/status/1338518390185594881?s=20

[rydermike]

Austin made a few trades
https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2020/12/13/austin-fc-makes-moves-build-inaugural-roster-half-day-trade-window

They acquired Nick Lima (http://www.mlssoccer.com/players/nick-lima) from the San Jose Earthquakes (http://www.mlssoccer.com/meta/club/san-jose) for 500,000 General Allocation Money (GAM)

Jon Gallagher (http://www.mlssoccer.com/players/jon-gallagher) from Atlanta United (http://www.mlssoccer.com/meta/club/atlanta) for $175,000 GAM

Julio Cascante (http://www.mlssoccer.com/players/julio-cascante) from the Portland Timbers (http://www.mlssoccer.com/meta/club/portland) for $250,000 GAM for Cascante

Ben Sweat (https://www.mlssoccer.com/players/ben-sweat) from Inter Miami (https://www.mlssoccer.com/meta/club/miami) for $100,000 GAM

Ulises Segura (https://www.mlssoccer.com/players/ulises-segura) from D.C. United (https://www.mlssoccer.com/meta/club/d.c.-united) for $150,000 GAM

[rydermike]

Minnesota acquired Canadian Callum Mongomery for a 2022 4th round pick (and 50,000 GAM potentially based on performance)

[rydermike]

Columbus acquired Evan Bush from Vancouver for $125,000 GAM

LAFC acquired Marco Farfan from Portland for $300,000 GAM

NYCFC acquired an International Roster Spot from Portland for $160,000 GAM

Atlanta acquired an International Roster Spot from Nashville for $175,000 GAM

Colorado acquired the 6th overall pick from Chicago for $125,000 GAM

[Shway]

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2020/12/14/2020-mls-players-eligible-free-agency-re-entry-draft-waiver-draft

Some free agents options out there. I would take...

- LB/30/Waylon Francis on a reduced salary (currently on $200k)
- RB/26/Alvas Powell on a reduce salary (currently on $250K)

We need back up options at LB and RB.

[reggie]

Sam Stejskal
@samstejskal
· 2h
The rumor has been floating around for the last day or so, but sources tell @PaulTenorio and I that the Chicago Fire have traded Djordje Mihailovic to the Montreal Impact for $800,000 in GAM. Could rise to $1 million in GAM based on performance incentives.


Huge, huge sum.
that is big money for a ok player

[ag futbol]

That does seem a significantly too much. What is it with Montreal and their player acquisition strategy? It’s full of odd ball moves.

I’m surprised they aren’t worse than they are for doing business this way.

[portu]

Sam Stejskal
@samstejskal
· 2h
The rumor has been floating around for the last day or so, but sources tell @PaulTenorio and I that the Chicago Fire have traded Djordje Mihailovic to the Montreal Impact for $800,000 in GAM. Could rise to $1 million in GAM based on performance incentives.


Huge, huge sum.
that is big money for a ok player
Really we can’t evaluate these trades without knowledge of how much GAM there is in the league and in Montreal’s pockets.

[spe18]

Really we can’t evaluate these trades without knowledge of how much GAM there is in the league and in Montreal’s pockets.

Though we do know that in 2020, every team received $1,525,000 in GAM from the league.

Other then trades involving GAM, that's probably all we know about it.

[ag futbol]

So leaving the Altidore situation aside... How much do we have to spend?

At face value Zavaleta and Morrow have just come off $300k a year and Piatti is out of the DP spot. Sounds like a moderate amount of flexibility.

[rydermike]

Though we do know that in 2020, every team received $1,525,000 in GAM from the league.

Other then trades involving GAM, that's probably all we know about it.

Also, can GAM be traded across years like draft picks? For example, can the Impact send 400K GAM in 2021, 200k in 2022, and 200k in 2023? Or does it all have to be for one year?

[rydermike]

So leaving the Altidore situation aside... How much do we have to spend?

At face value Zavaleta and Morrow have just come off $300k a year and Piatti is out of the DP spot. Sounds like a moderate amount of flexibility.
Mullins is also out, which frees up another ~250k. Ciman as well was on 430k in 2019. Also, Delgado signed an extension in June. He was on 250k in 2019, I could see him having doubled that or more.


No idea how much we have with all these convoluted MLS rules, but I'm guessing maybe 400-650k for regular players, not counting the one free DP slot.

[noxx98]

Alex Ring moves from NYCFC to Austin for up to $1.25M in GAM ($750k guaranteed, $500k based on performance). The funny money is flying around.

https://www.nycfc.com/post/2020/12/17/new-york-city-fc-acquires-125m-general-allocation-money-austin-fc-exchange-alex-ring

[rydermike]

Alex Ring moves from NYCFC to Austin for up to $1.25M in GAM ($750k guaranteed, $500k based on performance). The funny money is flying around.

https://www.nycfc.com/post/2020/12/17/new-york-city-fc-acquires-125m-general-allocation-money-austin-fc-exchange-alex-ring

As an extra, it's 500k GAM in 2021 and 250k GAM in 2022. Plus the additional 500k in incentives. This answers my question above that yes, GAM can be split in years

[ag futbol]

Edwards to LAFC. Nobody understands an under appreciated Canadian like Bob Bradley it seems.

[Ultra & Proud]

Edwards to LAFC. Nobody understands an under appreciated Canadian like Bob Bradley it seems.
I don't think he's under appreciated now. I think he is overrated in some circles and obviously has some off field issues because he can't even stick on trash teams.

[ag futbol]

I think you’re probably right, there must be something off the field that makes this guy less appealing.

Reviews in Chicago and Minnesota by fans were essentially the same: does well in limited playing time, good spark off the bench.

Personally, I think he’s a good sub option but maybe there’s not the upper end potential some thought there might be earliest in his career.

[spe18]

As an extra, it's 500k GAM in 2021 and 250k GAM in 2022. Plus the additional 500k in incentives. This answers my question above that yes, GAM can be split in years

:) :) (double similes were required to meet the minimum character requirement - and apparently just empty spaces don't count as a "character" :))

[MightyDM]

As an extra, it's 500k GAM in 2021 and 250k GAM in 2022. Plus the additional 500k in incentives. This answers my question above that yes, GAM can be split in years

Rumours on twitter that RAM (random allocation money) and HAM (historic allocation money) coming next year. League debating SCAM (special current allocation money) too.

[MightyDM]

Alex Ring moves from NYCFC to Austin for up to $1.25M in GAM ($750k guaranteed, $500k based on performance). The funny money is flying around.

https://www.nycfc.com/post/2020/12/17/new-york-city-fc-acquires-125m-general-allocation-money-austin-fc-exchange-alex-ring

Thats a good pick up. Highly effective for NYCFC

[NK Toronto]

Rumours on twitter that RAM (random allocation money) and HAM (historic allocation money) coming next year. League debating SCAM (special current allocation money) too.

When we receive e-mails from the TFC marketing dept would they qualify as SPAM?

[MightyDM]

When we receive e-mails from the TFC marketing dept would they qualify as SPAM?

hahahahaha

[spe18]

Rumours on twitter that RAM (random allocation money) and HAM (historic allocation money) coming next year. League debating SCAM (special current allocation money) too.

I wonder if that AAA (something like annual age allocation that someone on these boards in another thread had suggested) ever came to fruition lol :D

[ag futbol]

https://twitter.com/mlslatina/status/1341161527102074882
Interesting

[OgtheDim]

That looks like a goal celebration - can't remember him scoring for us though.

[rydermike]

That looks like a goal celebration - can't remember him scoring for us though.
There you go. You might be mixing him up with Ager Aketxe. He never scored

It only lets me put two videos. Here's all five
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db28m-w1pSc&ab_channel=TorontoFC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aItrjViG2Kk&ab_channel=TorontoFC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HNnuWrScKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HNnuWrScKk&ab_channel=TorontoFC) (vs Revs)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF3YDSvFreA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=netvmRh-IGI

[PizzaEatingYeti]

There you go. You might be mixing him up with Ager Aketxe. He never scored

It only lets me put two videos. Here's all five
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db28m-w1pSc&ab_channel=TorontoFC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aItrjViG2Kk&ab_channel=TorontoFC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HNnuWrScKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HNnuWrScKk&ab_channel=TorontoFC) (vs Revs)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF3YDSvFreA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=netvmRh-IGI

Thanks for posting, I didn't remember these either.
The 1st one is a result of a crappy deflection though, lol...

[MikeForbes]

I remember Janson scoring a couple times for us and Caldwell droning on about how he wasn't that good. Which seems to be reserved for mostly Hispanic players now that I think about it.

[Areathrasher]

He was brilliant in the game against Atlanta where we denied them the shield.

I figured he'd be linked to Atlanta. It'd be an easy one for a rumor monger to make.

[ag futbol]

I thought he was hard working and a good teammate but probably not the player we needed. It is interesting though, when you look at the stats, that he put up a decent amount of goals in a short number of games.

All said and done I think Piatti is the better fit BUT still not the game changer we need up top.

[rydermike]

I hope this comes out sounding okay, its an idea in my head that I've held for a while

I feel like guys like Janson, Piatti, etc best fit into a role that isn't really possible in MLS. They're excellent players who are best used in specific roles against certain teams, but against other teams with a different lineup, they're not as effective. I think the best way to describe it would be a "platoon", like how in baseball they'll platoon lefty and righty hitters depending on the pitcher.

If the cap didn't exist we could have a few of these "platoon players" and play the right one depending on matchups, but because of the cap, roster rules, other MLS weird quirks, those players have to play against everyone, which is why the 'all-around' players, who may not be as elite in certain areas, but better overall, end up being more valuable in MLS (i.e the DeLeon type).

[reggie]

i would say they are good players but not game changers,like gio vasquez jozy mullins etc:D

[Yohan]

BWP to the Crew.

[reggie]

teams making moves,meanwhile curtis is on page 95 of his 200 pg interview of ben olsen:facepalm:

[ag futbol]

https://twitter.com/jeffrueter/status/1341782253555347459

[James17930]

teams making moves,meanwhile curtis is on page 95 of his 200 pg interview of ben olsen:facepalm:

I've seen mention of a '200 page plan' a few times. Where is that coming from?

[reggie]

I've seen mention of a '200 page plan' a few times. Where is that coming from?
i meant it has a joke,but when curtis signed with the club he said that he wrote a 200 pg plan on how to run a club

[DavemTFC]

i meant it has a joke,but when curtis signed with the club he said that he wrote a 200 pg plan on how to run a club
can't remember with 100% certainty but I think he said that about the red bulls right?

[Auzzy]

"200 pages" is another Ali Curtis meme like "in two weeks." A bit of a joke, and a bit of truth in both. The "200 pages" was also mentioned when Ali was hired by TFC.

[MikeForbes]

Pavon likely done with LAG.

https://twitter.com/MLS_Buzz/status/1342156598668632065?s=20

[Kamp Berg]

FWIW, hearing that Fagundez to #austinfc is very likely now. This has been in the works for a little while
(Kristian Dyer twitter)

[MikeForbes]

Mesut Ozil and DC United are reportedly in negotiations.

https://twitter.com/ChrisWheatley_/status/1346552954480979969?s=20

[Kamp Berg]

Bez at it again:
https://twitter.com/jeffrueter/status/1346905426269450242?s=21

[Canary10]

Bez at it again:
https://twitter.com/jeffrueter/status/1346905426269450242?s=21

How does he fit all these guys in under the cap? There should be a word for people who are good at doing that.

[Red CB Toronto]

How does he fit all these guys in under the cap? There should be a word for people who are good at doing that.

GAM, TAM with a little Jam on the side, whatever it may take.

[OgtheDim]

How does he fit all these guys in under the cap? There should be a word for people who are good at doing that.


Hmmmm....well now we have lost 2 people who are very good at their jobs to them "going home". One day somebody very good at running a team will be from around here...one day.

[ag futbol]

One wonders if Alphonso Davies has sparked a “gold rush” of sorts on MLS talent (as much as the Americans would never admit it). Lots of outbound euro transfers this off-season of players under the age of 23.

Pains me to say it but I think more than a few will flop.

[Yohan]

One wonders if Alphonso Davies has sparked a “gold rush” of sorts on MLS talent (as much as the Americans would never admit it). Lots of outbound euro transfers this off-season of players under the age of 23.

Pains me to say it but I think more than a few will flop.
Well, Weston McKennie for the Yanks recently.

[ag futbol]

They have a few good ones. I’m a big fan of Tyler Adams and think Weston is pretty decent too. But let’s keep in mind those were top picks when talent was mostly being overlooked.

Not sure the current crop meets the same standards.

[Yohan]

They have a few good ones. I’m a big fan of Tyler Adams and think Weston is pretty decent too. But let’s keep in mind those were top picks when talent was mostly being overlooked.

Not sure the current crop meets the same standards.
I don't think it's any more unusual than big name teams scooping up as much young kids with an inkling of talent as possible and see if any of them turns out any good, or sell for profit

[OgtheDim]

Jordan Morris to Swansea - loan with a chance to buy

[Bushmancan]

Jordan Morris to Swansea - loan with a chance to buy


That hurts Seattle, I still think Columbus will be strong next year, Philly will need to fill a hole or two but they will be hungry.

[MikeForbes]

Looks like NYCFC is bringing in Franco Cervi from Benfica in Portugal as their third DP.

[Kamp Berg]

Rollins article about possible sale of Morris to Swansea and the impact on the league:

https://24thminute.substack.com/p/to-sell-or-not-to-sell

[OgtheDim]

Thanks for that KB ....and subscribed. Some interesting thoughts on mid 20's going to the Championship - MLS needs to embrace that more.

[ensco]

Looks like NYCFC is bringing in Franco Cervi from Benfica in Portugal as their third DP.

Now THAT is what an aggressive Piatti replacement at winger looks like, to me.

[bought with blo]

Now THAT is what an aggressive Piatti replacement at winger looks like, to me.

So we are all to be over the moon with a 10 million transfer winger with 8 goals in the last three seasons? Not even a regular starter at benfica?
Why is that inspiring?

[Kamp Berg]

Thanks for that KB ....and subscribed. Some interesting thoughts on mid 20's going to the Championship - MLS needs to embrace that more.

You’re welcome :)
I’d like to see a lot more loans stints, championship level would be great.
I also have a feeling that Rollins is right, I think the owners want to move to a selling league and have pretty much given up on the whole ‘top-5 league’ idea.

[OgtheDim]

You’re welcome :)
I’d like to see a lot more loans stints, championship level would be great.
I also have a feeling that Rollins is right, I think the owners want to move to a selling league and have pretty much given up on the whole ‘top-5 league’ idea.

The only thing I don't think he gets right is the level of MLS competition - I would put MLS teams at Championship level. Which is way better then they used to be. Morris is going to Swansea because he wants to try Europe, even if its at the same level (in theory) as MLS. Seattle fans might be wondering what is going on but let the guy go.

[Mikmacdo]

The only thing I don't think he gets right is the level of MLS competition - I would put MLS teams at Championship level. Which is way better then they used to be. Morris is going to Swansea because he wants to try Europe, even if its at the same level (in theory) as MLS. Seattle fans might be wondering what is going on but let the guy go.
The championship is better than MLS. Its a top 7 league in the world, Brentford has 3 or 4 wins over EPL teams this year... there isnt a MLS team who could do that. There are three teams with players worth over 100 million and brentford who is very close. I would say the top MLS teams would be around 10-15 in the EFL.

[OgtheDim]

The championship is better than MLS. Its a top 7 league in the world, Brentford has 3 or 4 wins over EPL teams this year... there isnt a MLS team who could do that. There are three teams with players worth over 100 million and brentford who is very close. I would say the top MLS teams would be around 10-15 in the EFL.


I originally put mid level Championship but edited it out for some reason but I stand by what I said based on my watching both Championship & Div 1 on DAZN.

[Kamp Berg]

ClubFoot-Houston trade:

https://twitter.com/kevlaramee/status/1351281782004592644?s=21

Looks like Urruti is moving again.

[MikeForbes]

Some talk on Twitter about Giovinco and the LA Galaxy.

[Yohan]

Some talk on Twitter about Giovinco and the LA Galaxy.
Hard to say no to LA for a guy like Giovinco I think, if his motivation is find himself and his family a decent place to live while making some money.

Does his family still live in Toronto?

[ensco]

Some talk on Twitter about Giovinco and the LA Galaxy.

This would drive me crazy and amuse me greatly, both at the same time.

[spe18]

The championship is better than MLS. Its a top 7 league in the world, Brentford has 3 or 4 wins over EPL teams this year... there isnt a MLS team who could do that. There are three teams with players worth over 100 million and brentford who is very close. I would say the top MLS teams would be around 10-15 in the EFL.


I originally put mid level Championship but edited it out for some reason but I stand by what I said based on my watching both Championship & Div 1 on DAZN.

I'm sure I saw somewhere MLS, talentwise, is at about the same level as the English division 3.

[OgtheDim]

I'm sure I saw somewhere MLS, talentwise, is at about the same level as the English division 3.

Well there is no Div 3 in England now - that would be Div 1. And, not based on what I see but its all IMHO on all sides so...

[ag futbol]

I'm sure I saw somewhere MLS, talentwise, is at about the same level as the English division 3.
This conversation (comparing MLS to other leagues around the world and more specifically, England) is always a can of worms but I would somewhat agree with OG.

Conservatively, I would argue MLS is perhaps below the championship but would certainly come in above league one. Quick googling / crack logic: 2019 Vancouver had the second lowest payroll in MLS at about 8 million dollars. Last year league voted on instituting (or has instituted?) a salary cap of ~3.4 million dollars (2.5 million pounds). There’s also a salary survey floating around saying the average highest paid earner on each team in league one was one a pay packet of ~430 Thousand Dollars (248 thousand pounds).

I just don’t see how you get around that. It might be the best third division in the world but it’s still third division.

[spe18]

Well there is no Div 3 in England now - that would be Div 1. And, not based on what I see but its all IMHO on all sides so...

Wouldn't League 1 be the third division in Engalnd?

[Bushmancan]

This would drive me crazy and amuse me greatly, both at the same time.

Basically wouldn’t they be swapping Pavon for Gio, doesn’t make sense to me. Cant see Vanney doing that, Gio may want to come back and go to LA but I just cant see it.

[Blizzard]

Wouldn't League 1 be the third division in Engalnd?

For the simplicity of this debate, we should probably be speaking in terms of 1st, 2nd and 3rd Tier to get around the crazy league naming conventions that now exist.

[portu]

Seba as a DP in this league still makes sense to be honest. It’s all about whether or not you think you can get a better player and how much he asks for. Anything under 4.5m makes sense imo.

[jabbronies]

If the LA Galaxy Sign Giovinco - I was will be pretty upset. TFC would really need to sign someone that would make me forget about him.

Also - if he does sign with LAG - I'd expect Jozy to follow.

[MikeForbes]

Giovinco has scored 1 goal in his past 22 games in Saudi Arabia. He is 34. Nostalgia aside, I won't be hurt by it.

[OgtheDim]

The yearly reminder that the current MLS Supporter's Shield winners do not care about the draft at all

[tweet] https://twitter.com/NashvilleSC/status/1351590573099147268 [tweet]

1st rounder next year and their 2nd & 3rd this year for 50K in GAM

[OgtheDim]

And here's the reasoning

https://twitter.com/samstejskal/status/1351599932885639169

[Kamp Berg]

And here's the reasoning

https://twitter.com/samstejskal/status/1351599932885639169

Hopefully TFC can get to the point where they are doing the same. The draft seems like more of a crapshoot than ever.

[Kamp Berg]

Players have been withdrawing from the draft:

https://twitter.com/soccerbyives/status/1351612918979309575?s=21

[portu]

Players have been withdrawing from the draft:

https://twitter.com/soccerbyives/status/1351612918979309575?s=21
Is there any reason why?

[Kamp Berg]

Is there any reason why?

Clear as mud:

https://twitter.com/soccerbyives/status/1351602463745462273?s=21

I'm told a handful of #MLSSuperDraft prospects have withdrawn their names from the 2021 draft pool in order to return to school for spring seasons and focus on the 2022 draft.

[OgtheDim]

Degree potential + next year maybe

vs.

now possibly but season might not start due to Covid &/or strike

[portu]

I’m kind of surprised some of these kids are willing to for go their degree without guaranteed money, the draft is such a crapshoot

[TFC1154ever]

If the LA Galaxy Sign Giovinco - I was will be pretty upset. TFC would really need to sign someone that would make me forget about him.

Also - if he does sign with LAG - I'd expect Jozy to follow.

Was told a year ago that TFC wanted to bring Giovinco back, but Giovinco said he wouldn’t come back for a cent less than Pozuelo. Convo ended there.

[Kamp Berg]

Was told a year ago that TFC wanted to bring Giovinco back, but Giovinco said he wouldn’t come back for a cent less than Pozuelo. Convo ended there.

Is that why we ended up with Piatti?

[ag futbol]

Was told a year ago that TFC wanted to bring Giovinco back, but Giovinco said he wouldn’t come back for a cent less than Pozuelo. Convo ended there.
Yeah, and now that Vanney is not the coach and Armas is I think this becomes even less likely. Love the guy but if the club brings him back it’s based on nostalgia and not for the right reasons.

Best for all involved that we go different directions.

[Kamp Berg]

Damn, I was hoping we would at least get the inside on RBNY players! I guess not.

https://twitter.com/taylortwellman/status/1351666503192637440?s=21

[MikeForbes]

That is a lot of imaginary money for Tim Parker.

[OgtheDim]

Meh...its only half of what we got for Hagglund.


(Now there was a steal)

[reggie]

Damn, I was hoping we would at least get the inside on RBNY players! I guess not.

https://twitter.com/taylortwellman/status/1351666503192637440?s=21

i think curtis was interested,but he said we are doing all kinda scouting all over the world i will get back to you in 2 wks.

[Kamp Berg]

i think curtis was interested,but he said we are doing all kinda scouting all over the world i will get back to you in 2 wks.

Don’t worry, this is going to be ‘an off-season to remember’ 🤦🏼*♂️

[Kamp Berg]

Altanta:

https://twitter.com/clmerlo/status/1353407330914713607?s=21

[Kamp Berg]

Atlanta again:

https://twitter.com/atlutd/status/1353726945029193729?s=21

[OgtheDim]

And the sources now starting to admit the season isn't going to start in March

https://twitter.com/PaulTenorio/status/1353789626725462016

[Red CB Toronto]

And the sources now starting to admit the season isn't going to start in March

https://twitter.com/PaulTenorio/status/1353789626725462016

I leaning towards May at the earliest, likely even later. Really do not see them starting without a significant number of fans in the stands, which they need for overall revenue and engagement. The NFL and NBA are in the own world, the NHL only did it after reaching an agreement with the players on concessions. Baseball is having doubts on playing without buts in the seats, could really see anther short season if they do not.

[ag futbol]

Ugggh, I just hope this doesn’t derail Canada’s World Cup qualifiers. That would cause me to carry a certain level of resentment.

[Yohan]

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2021/01/25/major-league-soccer-announces-2021-season-and-preseason-start-dates
Key Dates

Feb. 22: MLS Preseason training begins (6 weeks)
Apr. 3-4: MLS is Back - Opening Weekend 2021
Late Aug.: MLS Heineken® Rivalry Week
Late summer: MLS All-Star Game presented by Target, Leagues Cup, Campeones Cup
Nov. 7: MLS Decision Day
Nov. 19: Audi 2021 MLS Cup Playoffs begin
Dec. 11: 2021 MLS Cup

[MikeForbes]

Sweet. Gonna be nice if TFC wins MLS Cup on my birthday.

[Kamp Berg]

Seattle stays the course:

https://twitter.com/soundersfc/status/1353817784472330240?s=21

[Yohan]

Giovinco to LA Galaxy seems to be picking up steam

[Kamp Berg]

Vancouver sign Caicedo from Deportivo Cali:

https://twitter.com/samstejskal/status/1354125635527049217?s=21

[Kamp Berg]

Giovinco to LA Galaxy seems to be picking up steam

When I hear this I can’t help but wonder if Vanney wanted Seba back but Manning/Curtis wouldn’t pay. Could have been an early crack in the relationship between Vanney and the FO.

[OgtheDim]

Giovinco to LA Galaxy seems to be picking up steam


I kinda doubt the West plays the East this year, so I'm OK with this on a competitive basis. The guy left for more money, and wouldn't come back for less then Poz' salary. If he gets less out of LA and works out there, I'm OK with this. He is a man who works for his family and if this is what it takes to make more near the end of his career and make them happy, so be it.

i.e. This isn't Osorio playing for the Impact level

[Redpunkfiddle]

Sounds more like the LA Galaxy way- an aged high profile player that might not fit the need of the team.

[DaviRed]

Seattle stays the course:

https://twitter.com/soundersfc/status/1353817784472330240?s=21

honestly how can you not..?

[MikeForbes]

This would he very bold if the Whitecaps pulled it off.

https://twitter.com/tombogert/status/1353176126877786113?s=20

[portu]

This would he very bold if the Whitecaps pulled it off.

https://twitter.com/tombogert/status/1353176126877786113?s=20
This is the caliber of DP I expect from our front office. Would be crazy if VAN pulled this off. Those are low numbers as well.

[Kamp Berg]

This is the caliber of DP I expect from our front office. Would be crazy if VAN pulled this off. Those are low numbers as well.

I guess it was too crazy:

https://twitter.com/itsdavido/status/1354389428219867139?s=21

[Ultra & Proud]

Sounds more like the LA Galaxy way- an aged high profile player that might not fit the need of the team.

This plus Vanney prefers players he trusts and is familiar with. That's why new players always had to work their way into the line up and also why he never used young players, no matter who injured or exhausted his preferred 14 were. I expect LA to make some plays for at least a few of our players and would be shocked if they don't have Zavaleta on their roster by the start of pre-season.

[Kamp Berg]

RBNY pick up Tome Edwards from Stoke City:

https://twitter.com/newyorkredbulls/status/1354459502272270356?s=21

[Kamp Berg]

Perry Kitchen to Columbus:

https://twitter.com/_jcmyers/status/1354844983426232326?s=21

[Kamp Berg]

Raitala to the Loons:

https://twitter.com/tristandamours/status/1354822498399834115?s=21

[Kamp Berg]

Looks like Vanney’s connections at work:

https://twitter.com/lag_rumors/status/1355608697125236736?s=21

[Oldtimer]

would be shocked if they don't have Zavaleta on their roster by the start of pre-season.

:smilielol5:

You're probably right about that one.

[Kamp Berg]

I guess Orlando needs a striker after all:

https://twitter.com/cboehm/status/1356286935506026497?s=21

[Kamp Berg]

Looks like Berhalter is involved with more than one transfer:

https://twitter.com/danielsmith1022/status/1356307292287717377?s=21

[rydermike]

I guess Orlando needs a striker after all:

https://twitter.com/cboehm/status/1356286935506026497?s=21

$20 million option to buy (OC would retain 20% on a future sale). Barnsley's record transfer is 1.5 million pounds (~2.5million). Yep, he's coming back to Orlando after

[Ultra & Proud]

$20 million option to buy (OC would retain 20% on a future sale). Barnsley's record transfer is 1.5 million pounds (~2.5million). Yep, he's coming back to Orlando after

They're doing a fairly safe gamble that Dike tears it up and they can pre-arrange a decent sale before the buy clause closeout. Quick flip and make a million or so after the 20% to Orlando. If not then he goes back. Happens sometimes but it's unlikely.

[OgtheDim]

If you are into Armas tea leaves dissections

Kaku to Saudi Arabia

[Kamp Berg]

LAFC loan Rodriguez:

https://twitter.com/taylortwellman/status/1356382588387139590?s=21

[Smokecell]

Anything goes in MLS it seems. Can't say he didn't have precedent.

https://twitter.com/SoccerByIves/status/1356649464677679105

[ag futbol]

Anything goes in MLS it seems. Can't say he didn't have precedent.

https://twitter.com/SoccerByIves/status/1356649464677679105
Must have the same agent as Joao Plata and Dero

[reggie]

axy
@LAGalaxy
· 5m
"You have to build a culture but a culture isn't built off just the past, it's about what you do every single day."


Greg Vanney on the hiring of Dan Calichman, Nick Theslof, Jason Bent, and Kevin Hartman to his coaching staff Blue heartWhite heartYellow heart

[OgtheDim]

Quite the dis to Conway that discussion of Hartman.

[ag futbol]

Anything goes in MLS it seems. Can't say he didn't have precedent.

https://twitter.com/SoccerByIves/status/1356649464677679105
So, if you believe the Twitter chatter, the “team option” contract extension strikes again.

IIRC, you can do one extension within a contract (and that is valid) but MLS teams were sometimes doing multiple one-year options. So they’d cap a players upside while leaving them no job security. Some players under these arrangements have argued the options are invalid, and basically walked away from their contracts while transferring elsewhere, successfully too I might add. You’d never be able to come back but some players just don’t care.

Hard to feel bad for an ownership group that wants to have their cake and eat it too.

[reggie]

isnt Ayo on his option year,so they may get squat for him,he can jus leave now like larin camillo kaku,boy curtis has got alot on his plate,a offseason like no other

[Shway]

https://www.sportingkc.com/post/2021/02/03/sporting-kc-signs-29-year-old-french-center-back-nicolas-isimat-mirin

[portu]

So, if you believe the Twitter chatter, the “team option” contract extension strikes again.

IIRC, you can do one extension within a contract (and that is valid) but MLS teams were sometimes doing multiple one-year options. So they’d cap a players upside while leaving them no job security. Some players under these arrangements have argued the options are invalid, and basically walked away from their contracts while transferring elsewhere, successfully too I might add. You’d never be able to come back but some players just don’t care.

Hard to feel bad for an ownership group that wants to have their cake and eat it too.
Notably though Kaku has a history of being a fucking douchebag so who knows how strong a case he might actually have

[OgtheDim]

Cinci about to put $13 million down for the striker Brenner from Sao Paolo &...possibly are also in for Pity Martinez (must go through allocation).

To play for a Dutch coach...hmmmm

[Kamp Berg]

Almeyda is leaving San Jose:

https://twitter.com/juang_arangotv/status/1357780859609358336?s=21

[OgtheDim]

Yeah, that guy has said that a couple of times in the last week from a source in Chile but the Chilean association denied it.

[Kamp Berg]

Sapong to Nashville:

https://twitter.com/nashvillesc/status/1359517731280867329?s=21

[Kamp Berg]

Austin signs Pochettino:

https://twitter.com/chrisbils/status/1359865451036172297?s=21

[jabbronies]

LA Galaxy Away

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CJ6xEJf4td4/YCE_xodDgKI/AAAAAAAC360/RWl1MvP4sSciUvdDW1IRJh9RQMR8WEopwCNcBGAsYHQ/s1600/LA%2BGalaxy%2B2021%2BAway%2BKit%2B%25283%2529.jpg

[jloome]

LA Galaxy Away



That's practically a throwback jersey.

Pochettino is a big get for Austin. Be nice to think we're talking to players of similar skill and potential.

They can't be so focused on youth impact that they miss the sell-on value for younger players like Pavon and Pochettino.

[Kamp Berg]

Looks like Galaxy might get Pavon after all:

https://twitter.com/galaxypodcast/status/1359893009974710274?s=21

[Kamp Berg]

Even NYCFC has a signing to announce:

https://twitter.com/nycfc/status/1360227372096753667?s=21

[Kamp Berg]

Atlanta’s first u22 signing:

https://twitter.com/samstejskal/status/1360304840904220680?s=21

[MikeForbes]

Sounds like FIFA legend, Alex Pato is going to Orlando.

https://twitter.com/OrlandoCitySC/status/1360356953730514949?s=20

[OgtheDim]

That is excellent social media work there....

[ensco]

Man I loved Pato back in the day. He had completely disappeared off my radar.

[Kamp Berg]

Sounds like FIFA legend, Alex Pato is going to Orlando.

https://twitter.com/OrlandoCitySC/status/1360356953730514949?s=20

Confirmed:
https://twitter.com/juang_arangotv/status/1360382425336061952?s=21

[Luanda]

https://canoe.com/sports/soccer/mls/toronto-fc/buffery-reds-gm-says-team-is-close-to-singing-a-dp

[Yohan]

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2021/02/13/orlando-city-sc-sign-brazilian-forward-alexandre-pato-free-agent

Pato to Orlando official. No DP mentioned, so probably a TAM?

[Smokecell]

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2021/02/13/orlando-city-sc-sign-brazilian-forward-alexandre-pato-free-agent

Pato to Orlando official. No DP mentioned, so probably a TAM?

Nope, bought down with GAM to be a regular rostered player. Decent piece of business there.

[Kamp Berg]

Henry steps down for personal reasons!!!

https://twitter.com/kevlaramee/status/1364966519692754954?s=21

"I was unable to see my children...the fact that we will have to relocate to the US again for several months will be no different. The separation is too much of a strain for me and my kids."

[Ultra & Proud]

Henry steps down for personal reasons!!!

https://twitter.com/kevlaramee/status/1364966519692754954?s=21

"I was unable to see my children...the fact that we will have to relocate to the US again for several months will be no different. The separation is too much of a strain for me and my kids."
Makes sense but I bet he is on his way to Glasgow ASAP.

[ag futbol]

Joey Saputo is the James Dolan of MLS. He cannot get out of his own way.

[rydermike]

"Personal Reasons" or Bournemouth is going to hire him

[Ultra & Proud]

"Personal Reasons" or Bournemouth is going to hire him
Apparently Montreal asked for too much money to break his contract so Bournemouth went elsewhere. Seems Henry is not impressed with Joey's club so he walked. Now he can take a job in the summer without any compensation to CFM and it will be much easier. Bourneouth didn't seem like a place he'd last long in anyway. I think he will go to Celtic unless something better opens up before then.

[portu]

Apparently Montreal asked for too much money to break his contract so Bournemouth went elsewhere. Seems Henry is not impressed with Joey's club so he walked. Now he can take a job in the summer without any compensation to CFM and it will be much easier. Bourneouth didn't seem like a place he'd last long in anyway. I think he will go to Celtic unless something better opens up before then.
Funny thing about Henry is he was a disaster in Monaco and meh in Montreal. Not a big loss for Montreal or Bournemouth in the end really.

If his name was Jesse Marsch in 2011/12 he’d probably have been fired by Mr. Big Cheese by now.

I should add I hope his personal situation turns for the best.

[Canary10]

Wow, leaving them high and dry right before the season starts. I understand his reasons, but still.

[ensco]

All the people that were upset when we didn’t sign Vieira are pretty quiet...

[SoccMan2]

Funny thing about Henry is he was a disaster in Monaco and meh in Montreal. Not a big loss for Montreal or Bournemouth in the end really.

If his name was Jesse Marsch in 2011/12 he’d probably have been fired by Mr. Big Cheese by now.
Yup not a big loss just look at this guy’s coaching record it’s a disaster, I think Montreal is probably more than happy to see him go . Just because you are a great player does not automatically make you a great coach as many great players have found out once they tried their hand at coaching . Henry can probably because of his name get a few more jobs but eventually owners will see that this guy can’t coach . Maybe he proves me wrong who knows but so far his record is pretty lousy unfortunately as a head coach.

[OgtheDim]

All the people that were upset when we didn’t sign Vieira are pretty quiet...

(Hey, I was busy this morning) :)

I'm not seeing the correlation - Henry is a different kind of guy.

[Richard]

Henry should stick to punditry or maybe become a strikers coach. He is rubbish as a manager or head coach.

[Ultra & Proud]

I know this won't happen but the fact they mentioned it at all is hilarious:


Renard, in a press conference alongside Kevin Gilmore, CF Montreal's CEO and President, also stated that this wasn't a big possibility as they brought Ciman in to be assistant, but he may end up with the role if no other candidates are more attractive.

[MikeForbes]

Ciman going from player to assistant coach to manager in the span of 3 days would definitely be hilarious.

[kuku]

MLS Transfers and News
(https://twitter.com/transfers_mls)
LA Galaxy are signing former Toronto FC midfielder Victor Vazquez. The 34 year old Spaniard is now a free agent. He was last in MLS in 2018, where he scored 16 times across two seasons. #LAGalaxy (https://twitter.com/hashtag/LAGalaxy?src=hashtag_click)#MLS (https://twitter.com/hashtag/MLS?src=hashtag_click)

[MikeForbes]

Good for Victor. Not sure how effective he will be, but glad he is still playing.

[reggie]

meanwhile back at the ranch,todays TFC news.. its a players birthday

[OgtheDim]

No LAG journo I follow has picked up on that...fwiw.

[Kamp Berg]

No LAG journo I follow has picked up on that...fwiw.

Wouldn’t he have to go through allocation?

[leedsandTFC]

how many games was VV actually fit for in 2018?

3 years on, gotta look at it as a poor signing.

[rydermike]

Wouldn’t he have to go through allocation?

Officially yes, but when have the rules ever applied to the LA Galaxy

He'll sign under the brand new Veteran All-Star Rule, which allows a former MLS Best XI player who is over the age of 33 to return and not count against the cap of a team in southern California.

[ensco]

Matuidi as a TAM player may have been a fraud
https://www.espn.com/soccer/inter-miami-cf/story/4329975/mls-investigating-whether-inter-miamis-deal-for-matuidi-defied-league-salary-budget

[Bushmancan]

Officially yes, but when have the rules ever applied to the LA Galaxy

He'll sign under the brand new Veteran All-Star Rule, which allows a former MLS Best XI player who is over the age of 33 to return and not count against the cap of a team in southern California.


The "MLS Best XI player who is over the age of 33" LAG Exemption Rule, thats awesome. I hope what it really means is VV is going into coaching.

[OgtheDim]

Matuidi as a TAM player may have been a fraud
https://www.espn.com/soccer/inter-miami-cf/story/4329975/mls-investigating-whether-inter-miamis-deal-for-matuidi-defied-league-salary-budget


The most shocking thing about all this isn't that Miami tried to get around the rules, its that MLS is very publicly indicating all this is an issue.

Either Garber or a bunch of the owners are pissed off at Beckham & it goes beyond this one incident.

[Ultra & Proud]

The most shocking thing about all this isn't that Miami tried to get around the rules, its that MLS is very publicly indicating all this is an issue.

Either Garber or a bunch of the owners are pissed off at Beckham & it goes beyond this one incident.
Since it's Beckham and he is the original Galaxy getting preferential treatment guy, it wouldn't surprise me if this is all a scam to terminate that contract without using a buyout so he can sign Neville's guy Gibbs.

[ag futbol]

But isn’t the hilarious part that, TAM or not, he looks like a big of a dumpster fire out there? Not exactly the player we all remember from the WC.

Miami look like the worst managed team in MLS at the moment (although I’m sure others could be hot on their heels).

[Derko]

But isn’t the hilarious part that, TAM or not, he looks like a big of a dumpster fire out there? Not exactly the player we all remember from the WC.

Miami look like the worst managed team in MLS at the moment (although I’m sure others could be hot on their heels).

Although I do recall not too many years ago the same can and was said about TFC.

Koevermans didn’t back down from his comment that #TFC (https://twitter.com/search/%2523TFC) is “the worst team in the world.” Said DK: “Name me another 0-9 team in the world.”— Arash Madani (@ArashMadani) May 22, 2012 (https://twitter.com/ArashMadani/status/204974140124434432)

[Ultra & Proud]

Guess the Galaxy have to look for a new DP since they aren't buying Pavon.

https://www.espn.com/soccer/boca-juniors/story/4333558/boca-juniors-winger-cristian-pavon-charged-with-rape?fbclid=IwAR1w0CFmhcs6TzLVS962lg78Bz3fXZcRQy_p FNXTswkeOGkgclaaPrg7h6w

[OgtheDim]

FWIW - MLS transfer season officially opens today

[Red CB Toronto]

The home openers are also expected to be announced today as per Steve Goff. The full schedule is not expected to be released for another two weeks.

[Luanda]

FWIW - MLS transfer season officially opens today

So...in two weeks!

[MikeForbes]

The Whitecaps signed Caio Alexandre today as a Young Money player. Covid, not playing in Canada and a slow offseason hasn't stopped them from adding some decent looking pieces.

https://twitter.com/WhitecapsFC/status/1370404649354760192?s=20

[Graeme]

Finally! Some Toronto signings! https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2021/03/17/la-galaxy-sign-former-toronto-fc-star-victor-vazquez

[ensco]

I think the Galaxy signing Vazquez is kind of unreal. What a wild use of an international slot.

The opportunity cost for them of those slots is higher than that for most other teams, given the interest level that foreign players have in LA. LAG can and should get terrific internationals. Better than almost any other team.

This doesn’t make sense in isolation. Makes me seriously wonder if some combination of Seba, Jozy and/or Michael will also wind up on the Galaxy. (Michael and Victor's families are close, they were neighbours.)

[Kamp Berg]

Finally! Some Toronto signings! https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2021/03/17/la-galaxy-sign-former-toronto-fc-star-victor-vazquez

I know he’s hit the end of his career, but as one of my all-time favourite TFC players, I’m bummed to see him on another team 😢

[Richard]

I'm honestly looking more forward to following LAG than TFC.

[rydermike]

Interesting that there was no mention of them having to trade up in the Allocation Order for him (nor a mention of the Allocation Order). That was always said to be the hindrance to him returning here. Another LA Galaxy exception to the rules?

[Kamp Berg]

Interesting that there was no mention of them having to trade up in the Allocation Order for him (nor a mention of the Allocation Order). That was always said to be the hindrance to him returning here. Another LA Galaxy exception to the rules?

Maybe they didn’t have to trade up because no one else wanted to sign him?

[Smokecell]

Lucho Acosta has been brought back to MLS with FC Cincy. They are bulking up quite nicely.

[FootBallAZ]

What is wrong with our management.

Please bring back Tim L.

Manning is over his head, Curtis is a puppet.


I've said this based on his interview previously, sounds like he is happy letting the young guys develop and play.

Team def needs infusion of speed to play the press.


Will it even be worth our time watching this team play in the CCL.


I've never been so disappointed, from 2015 until 2018 it was great, clear direction go getter.


Now I don't even know


It's making me reconsider if it's worth paying what I pay to be neglected as a fan base.

[James17930]

Unfortunately I don't think VV still has enough in the tank to be a really impactful player, but I was hoping we would sign him so we could get him ensconced in Toronto and eventually into the coaching staff/academy.

[burlington Red]

Unfortunately I don't think VV still has enough in the tank to be a really impactful player, but I was hoping we would sign him so we could get him ensconced in Toronto and eventually into the coaching staff/academy.

he doesn't seem to be the type to stick around anywhere these days too long, he's had 7 clubs in last 6 years.

[jabbronies]

We finished 2nd in the league in 2020. You make it sound like a disaster of a year.





What is wrong with our management.

Please bring back Tim L.

Manning is over his head, Curtis is a puppet.


I've said this based on his interview previously, sounds like he is happy letting the young guys develop and play.

Team def needs infusion of speed to play the press.


Will it even be worth our time watching this team play in the CCL.


I've never been so disappointed, from 2015 until 2018 it was great, clear direction go getter.


Now I don't even know


It's making me reconsider if it's worth paying what I pay to be neglected as a fan base.

[jabbronies]

Unfortunately I don't think VV still has enough in the tank to be a really impactful player, but I was hoping we would sign him so we could get him ensconced in Toronto and eventually into the coaching staff/academy.


I've been following him on Insta - and for the past few. months he's been training like a fiend. Let's see if that translates on the pitch - but I wouldn't be surprised if he put in a tidy little season.

[FootBallAZ]

We finished 2nd in the league in 2020. You make it sound like a disaster of a year.



I was speaking to the competence of management.
Still no replacement for Seba. No LWB .NO CB.

If poz deal didn't go thru which management ended up paying an extra $3 mill because of their own incompetence there would be no 2nd place.

2nd place doesn't help bring trophies which is what we been told as fans is this clubs mission .


You didn't even address one point I made lol

[spe18]

But Tim L didn't really run the day to day operations of the team - that was more left up to Tim B & GV.

Tim L would've been the one to convince the big stars to do so. But I believe he would've had to get the approval of the board @ MLSE to spend the funds required to do so.

I have a feeling the current board has told the club they will not be providing the funds to make the big signing for now, or somewhere along those lines.

Plus signings in MLS are down across the league at this time.


What is wrong with our management.

Please bring back Tim L.

Manning is over his head, Curtis is a puppet.


I've said this based on his interview previously, sounds like he is happy letting the young guys develop and play.

Team def needs infusion of speed to play the press.


Will it even be worth our time watching this team play in the CCL.


I've never been so disappointed, from 2015 until 2018 it was great, clear direction go getter.


Now I don't even know


It's making me reconsider if it's worth paying what I pay to be neglected as a fan base.

[jabbronies]

I was speaking to the competence of management.
Still no replacement for Seba. No LWB .NO CB.

If poz deal didn't go thru which management ended up paying an extra $3 mill because of their own incompetence there would be no 2nd place.

2nd place doesn't help bring trophies which is what we been told as fans is this clubs mission .


You didn't even address one point I made lol

The post I replied to had only 1 point - Team def needs infusion of speed to play the press.

This post has...0 points? it's more like a wish list of what you think the team needs.

- There was never going to be a Seba replacement. GV wanted more flexibility and Seba or someone like him didn't provide that. That's one of several reasons why they didn't spend on him and went after Pozuelo instead.
- Starting CB situation is fine for another year or two. If you are crying about back ups - sure...but I wouldn't cry over that.
- LWB - I've already addressed that in a previous post - but here goes again:




The plan sounds like they want Morrow to get back to All-Star level form - that IMO doesn't mean literally being an all star. He's a really good player - on the upper level of skill and IQ for players born out of this league. Players like him have the ability to do very well in later stages of their career based on their IQ and skill (See drew moor). So not All-star league wide - but all star on the team.

A healthy Morrow playing at his best has him starting more games than not.

So that would mean a strong rotation of Lareya, Auro and Morrow at LB/RB
+1 youngster getting minor minutes to give these players a break (probably morrow)

This buys us at least until the next transfer window, maybe even next season to find a suitable replacement.

Worse case if Morrow doesn't pan out - bring in a European player looking for minutes (Tony Gallacher type player) to fill in for the rest of the season. worked well for us and Tony last season. I can see us getting a better player this time around for this experiment.

They could being looking for a LB now for all we know, Armas hesitated when he was laying out the plan for Morrow. Maybe he isn't convinced Morrow can do the job. But IMO - even if he can't - we have until the summer window to fix that "issue"

[Rust]

https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/real-salt-lake-sign-us-striker-bobby-wood-to-pre-contract

Real Salt Lake got Bobby Wood in a pre-contract that starts in July, after his contract with Hamburg expires.

Anyone knows how he was doing in Germany? Is that a good signing?

[jloome]

https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/real-salt-lake-sign-us-striker-bobby-wood-to-pre-contract

Real Salt Lake got Bobby Wood in a pre-contract that starts in July, after his contract with Hamburg expires.

Anyone knows how he was doing in Germany? Is that a good signing?

Nah, never lived up to the hype. Had one good run in the first team then faded quickly, has had some knocks. Eddie Johnson type, all wheels but average finish. Wheels are likely gone by now, too.

[Bushmancan]

Atlanta United signs Argentina’s Franco as DP CB, 24 Played at Club Atletico Independiente. The east is getting better.

https://www.fotmob.com/embed/news/6763150/Atlanta-United-confirm-signing-of-Alan-Franco-as-designated-player-?utm_medium=rss&utm_source=rss

[MikeForbes]

Inter Miami looks like they are trying to deal Pellegrini inside the MLS.

https://twitter.com/samstejskal/status/1380530633466863624?s=20

[Oldtimer]

New in-season thread here: http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/showthread.php?43078-2021-MLS-in-season-transfers-(non-TFC)