PDA

View Full Version : Regular Season - DECISION DAY - TFC @ NYRB Sunday Nov 8 3:30pm - Last Game



OgtheDim
11-03-2020, 07:15 AM
https://media.makeameme.org/created/it-is-done-5c2503.jpg


Finally

*******
Have at It People

Derko
11-03-2020, 09:32 AM
Let's see if our somewhat depleted squad can make this a statement match, Come on lads time for a gritty win.

:scarf::flare::drum:

Joe Kool
11-03-2020, 10:16 AM
Man if we only had the whole team available we could do some damage....but we don't so....

portu
11-03-2020, 11:40 AM
I’d still prefer we bench the key guys for this. Pozuelo, Laryea, Akinola, Mavinga, Gonzalez should sit.

backbeat
11-03-2020, 12:09 PM
I’d still prefer we bench the key guys for this. Pozuelo, Laryea, Akinola, Mavinga, Gonzalez should sit.

I'd play the strongest side possible and see where the other games are at during halftime...

portu
11-03-2020, 01:05 PM
I'd play the strongest side possible and see where the other games are at during halftime...
This would actually be the smarter approach

rydermike
11-03-2020, 02:44 PM
Methods to clinch shield:
1) Do better than the Union (they tie we win; they lose we tie)
2) We win by 15
3) Philly ties or loses and Red Bulls catch covid and game is cancelled. We win by PPG.

Given the last two are unlikely, let's go Revs and Reds

MikeForbes
11-03-2020, 03:11 PM
Best time of year. Let's get this win and hope for the best.

Joe Kool
11-03-2020, 04:02 PM
We win by 15

You are probably right but I want to see this one.

Bushmancan
11-04-2020, 01:23 AM
Methods to clinch shield:
1) Do better than the Union (they tie we win; they lose we tie)
2) We win by 15
3) Philly ties or loses and Red Bulls catch covid and game is cancelled. We win by PPG.

Given the last two are unlikely, let's go Revs and Reds

Nice job, staying up for the Election and going though all the math, but you forgot one.

4) Philly game gets cancelled due to COVID and we win.. our PPG goes to 2.04 to their 2.00...LOL

OgtheDim
11-04-2020, 07:16 AM
Columbus @ Orlando tonight

Columbus win - we could end up in third still

Draw or Orlando win - we are guaranteed at least second

**********

You want second so you will play on of 7th through 9th in the first round.

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2020/09/11/how-2020-audi-mls-cup-playoffs-will-work-qualifying-and-competition-format

MikeForbes
11-04-2020, 10:22 AM
Go Orlando. Who are a sneaky little pick to go far in the playoffs.

Redpunkfiddle
11-04-2020, 10:27 AM
Columbus @ Orlando tonight

Columbus win - we could end up in third still

Draw or Orlando win - we are guaranteed at least second

**********

You want second so you will play on of 7th through 9th in the first round.

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2020/09/11/how-2020-audi-mls-cup-playoffs-will-work-qualifying-and-competition-format

Also, 2nd plays at home v 3rd if they both advance.

tfcfans
11-04-2020, 09:23 PM
Orlando just pulled out a result for us at the end while down a man - Second place in the East seems assured now - only Philly and Portland can finish ahead of us now....Portland is now losing so now it’s only Philadelphia that can finish ahead of us now — MLS Cup in Hartford?! - I’m sure the league is really hoping for that (?!) — it may not matter as I’m sure a potential playoff bubble will be discussed in the intervening weeks after Nov 8, until the playoffs are starting.

PaceyWinger
11-04-2020, 09:49 PM
lol at Columbus for losing to 10 man Orlando with Nani going off in the 52nd minute.

Red CB Toronto
11-04-2020, 10:30 PM
lol at Columbus for losing to 10 man Orlando with Nani going off in the 52nd minute.

So it all comes down to Philly and our Reds on Sunday for first place in the east.

Auzzy
11-04-2020, 11:50 PM
WTF was Nani's red card for? I mean, I'm no Orlando fan, but I looked at the replay multiple times and didn't see anything. Ref also made some other garbage calls.

OgtheDim
11-05-2020, 06:42 AM
Rapids beat Portland - we are guaranteed at least second in the East and if we somehow, make it to the final, we host.

613reppingTFC
11-05-2020, 08:30 AM
Yeah Nani's card was terrible, couldn't believe that got called.
Also the hand ball call and then ref went and reviewed and called it no hand ball against Portland in their game was pretty bad

Let's go win this game on Sunday!

James17930
11-05-2020, 09:48 AM
Rapids beat Portland - we are guaranteed at least second in the East and if we somehow, make it to the final, we host.

WE MUST DREAM THE DREAM OF THE DREAM WITHIN THE DREAM.

We can do it.

ag futbol
11-05-2020, 10:28 AM
WTF was Nani's red card for? I mean, I'm no Orlando fan, but I looked at the replay multiple times and didn't see anything. Ref also made some other garbage calls.
This is one of the worst calls I have ever seen. Anything someone imaginatively wanted to deem a offence here it is at best a borderline yellow. I’m not even sure if it’s a foul.

The front foot clearly wins the ball and isn’t high, he doesn’t lunge in. You could argue the back foot goes in as well and it’s a foul for a two footed challenge. But his attempt to stick in his second foot seems so half-assed at best and half caused by his momentum... I just don’t see anything in this

OgtheDim
11-05-2020, 01:12 PM
Foot on ankle seems to be the call there but I'm not even sure that happened.


Clear and Obvious? Nope

MikeForbes
11-06-2020, 02:21 PM
Vanney says that Jozy may be available for this game.

613reppingTFC
11-06-2020, 02:53 PM
I was just going to ask if anyone has heard anything about him. How likely is he to play in it? last 10-15 mins? fitness won't be there, hasn't touched a ball..i'd almost rather wait and have him just be ready for playoffs than risk it. However, supporters shield is on the line..so maybe they check what's happening at half-time and throw him in?

NK Toronto
11-06-2020, 07:19 PM
This is a tough call. A healthy Jozy significantly improves our attack however he probably lacks fitness and you don't want to risk injury. Having said that if the Shield is on the line then I bring him on in the 2nd half. The Shield is a major trophy.

MikeForbes
11-06-2020, 08:51 PM
No way Jozy starts. But a 20 minute cameo if the Shield is still in play could very well happen. If Philly is up 3-0 at the half though there should be no way Jozy touches the field until the playoffs.

Red CB Toronto
11-06-2020, 10:14 PM
No way Jozy starts. But a 20 minute cameo if the Shield is still in play could very well happen. If Philly is up 3-0 at the half though there should be no way Jozy touches the field until the playoffs.

But will the team be scoreboard watching, as the games are all at the same time? Some teams totally avoid that.

backbeat
11-06-2020, 11:49 PM
But will the team be scoreboard watching, as the games are all at the same time? Some teams totally avoid that.

absolutely they'll be scoreboard watching if they're in contention - they'd be foolish not to...it's a trophy - silverware - you've got to go for it and home pitch to boot...

PizzaEatingYeti
11-07-2020, 05:46 AM
No way Jozy starts. But a 20 minute cameo if the Shield is still in play could very well happen. If Philly is up 3-0 at the half though there should be no way Jozy touches the field until the playoffs.

Maybe Vanney will throw in Jozy for 10-20 minutes even if we are big time down.
The reason? After any longer time-out needing injury, Jozy historically is severely out of shape, and needs at least 3 games to play (starter or coming from the bench) to be fully fit for the 4th game.
So maybe he'll be almost 100% fit in our 3rd playoff game (if we reach that) if playing in this one?

MikeForbes
11-07-2020, 06:44 AM
Maybe Vanney will throw in Jozy for 10-20 minutes even if we are big time down.
The reason? After any longer time-out needing injury, Jozy historically is severely out of shape, and needs at least 3 games to play (starter or coming from the bench) to be fully fit for the 4th game.
So maybe he'll be almost 100% fit in our 3rd playoff game (if we reach that) if playing in this one?

Luckily TFC won't play again until the 24th. That gives Jozy a full two weeks of training to get himself back into semi-game shape.

OgtheDim
11-07-2020, 07:30 AM
But will the team be scoreboard watching, as the games are all at the same time? Some teams totally avoid that.


Vanney was asked that in the presser and categorically indicated somebody up in the booth "usually" has the job of relaying the scores.

MightyDM
11-07-2020, 09:43 AM
Didnt see the presser. Any news on Oso and Marky?

MikeForbes
11-07-2020, 11:22 AM
Didnt see the presser. Any news on Oso and Marky?

Osorio is questionable (seems like his injury has lingered awhile) Delgado along with Morrow and Piatti are out and are probably (hopefully) looking at a first round of the playoff return.

Red CB Toronto
11-07-2020, 12:21 PM
Vanney was asked that in the presser and categorically indicated somebody up in the booth "usually" has the job of relaying the scores.

Interesting , some coaches do not want anything to do with it. I guess it depends on your approach. The only other score as we know thats matters to the Reds is Philly.

noxx98
11-07-2020, 05:41 PM
https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/1325203877902209026?s=21
There’s a few glimpses of Jozy training with the full team here. I didn’t spot Marky or Piatti, which would suggest that Jozy is closer to returning than the other two.
Would be huge to be able to call on Jozy tomorrow and in the playoffs, even if it’s just for a 20 min sub appearance.

OgtheDim
11-07-2020, 09:28 PM
Vanney said Marky & Piatti & Morrow were out for this game.

NOTE: the official MLS injury list is based on journalist questions & has not been updated since Wednesday. If this league is going to take betting seriously as a partner, it needs to become less opaque on injuries.

OgtheDim
11-07-2020, 10:27 PM
FWIW

Team flew to Jersey this afternoon -
https://twitter.com/SportsAviation/status/1325276474795053057

OgtheDim
11-08-2020, 06:49 AM
And....its game day :scarf:

613reppingTFC
11-08-2020, 07:27 AM
Woooo COYR!!!!
could barely sleep last night, so excited for today

OgtheDim
11-08-2020, 08:59 AM
On the day injury report

https://twitter.com/MichaelSingh94/status/1325436913415753729

MikeForbes
11-08-2020, 09:18 AM
Let's go you Reds/Revs!

Graeme
11-08-2020, 01:05 PM
Westberg
Auro--Gonzalez--Mavinga--Gallacher
Laryea--Bradley--Pozuelo--Osorio--
Altidore--Akinola

!!! 14 - 0 TFC

OgtheDim
11-08-2020, 01:40 PM
FWIW


In the play in round 7 plays 10 & 8 plays 9. If the Red Bulls want to NOT finish among that bottom group of 4, and thus have a few more days off until the first round proper, they have to win, hope NER loses, and make up a goal differential of 6. That's a tall order.

If NYRB lose, they are still guaranteed a home match in the play-in round.

Realistically, NYRB is going to either go full out for the jugular score as many as possible as quickly as possible
or
they are going to play to not lose players or lose too much momentum. And, they are going to be score board watching. If Philly is winning, NYRB might go hard for things. If NER is winning, NYRB might mentally shut it all down a bit.

I expect to see a heavy heavy press in the first 15 minutes. They are going to try to get after us big time, especially Bradley.

The best thing we could do here is score in the first 15 & have NER score early too - that way, NYRB has more work to do.

OgtheDim
11-08-2020, 02:43 PM
Oso starting is good news

Smokecell
11-08-2020, 02:47 PM
No Bendik for the Union, instead inexperienced homegrown Matt Freese. Let’s hope the kid chokes.

Gil and Bou both in for Revs...that’s a plus.

OgtheDim
11-08-2020, 02:59 PM
Realistically, NER is playing for pride and that's about it. They can't get 5th. They are almost certainly (baring a meltdown defensively by them & us) going to be 6th & play the #3 team in a couple of weeks. There is nothing to be gained by going all out for a win here except momentum.

They have no pressure on them and can just go out there and have fun. That's why I fully expect Philly to get after them VERY quickly & try to score early. A 2 goal lead for Philly and that game is over.

Counter-intuitive - NER are the only team with a better away record then home record.

OgtheDim
11-08-2020, 03:30 PM
https://twitter.com/TorontoFC/status/1325534347416514560

If this year has done one good thing, its us being able to get time to the kids.

MikeForbes
11-08-2020, 03:32 PM
Decent lineup. Wish we had a TAM winger though... (Gallardo does not count)

ag futbol
11-08-2020, 03:40 PM
Thumbs down to the Endoh / DeLeon up top. We’ve tried it, they’ve underperformed. Give someone else a chance

MikeForbes
11-08-2020, 03:42 PM
Can hear Vic Rauter calling the Montreal game.

rydermike
11-08-2020, 03:43 PM
Can hear Vic Rauter calling the Montreal game.

Now I hear our comments PRs echoing lol. TSN struggling

MightyDM
11-08-2020, 03:44 PM
Anyone else hearing the DV United commentary as well?

MightyDM
11-08-2020, 03:44 PM
Ah. See you are. That was weird.

OgtheDim
11-08-2020, 03:46 PM
Moving the ball quicker

MightyDM
11-08-2020, 03:47 PM
Moving the ball quicker but Oso and MB both a bit imprecise

MightyDM
11-08-2020, 03:49 PM
Poz is the hold up so far. Not making the quick pass.

MikeForbes
11-08-2020, 03:49 PM
Is it just me or has DeLeon regressed this year?

MightyDM
11-08-2020, 03:50 PM
Endoh could have hit that.

MightyDM
11-08-2020, 03:51 PM
Is it just me or has DeLeon regressed this year?

He was fine until he decided to look like Ciman...

ag futbol
11-08-2020, 03:52 PM
Endoh could have hit that.
Or at least hit a pass that wasn’t completely useless. Looks like we would have blown that even without the foul

NK Toronto
11-08-2020, 03:53 PM
Is anyone having a tough time hearing Wileman due to the background noise?

MightyDM
11-08-2020, 03:54 PM
I’ve seen reds given for that kind of challenge in this league.

MikeForbes
11-08-2020, 03:54 PM
He was fine until he decided to look like Ciman...

Maybe it was his hair that regressed.

Thomas
11-08-2020, 03:55 PM
Too many cute little passes for the Reds. I hope it doesn’t land them in trouble.

MightyDM
11-08-2020, 03:56 PM
Maybe it was his hair that regressed.

Hahahahhaha

NK Toronto
11-08-2020, 03:56 PM
Correct me if I am wrong but don't we usually do well with with Unkle as referee?

OgtheDim
11-08-2020, 03:57 PM
Gosh, forgotten how much of a hack team NYRB is

bhandsome90
11-08-2020, 03:58 PM
Is it just me or has DeLeon regressed this year?

He's better as a sub against tired legs. But as a starter it seems he has to conserve himself to not get tired.

SirBobSaget
11-08-2020, 03:59 PM
Gosh, forgotten how much of a hack team NYRB is

7 fouls already

MightyDM
11-08-2020, 04:02 PM
These guys are brutal. Should have been multiple yellows by now. Unkel drives me crazy.

MightyDM
11-08-2020, 04:03 PM
Gosh, forgotten how much of a hack team NYRB is

Times two

MikeForbes
11-08-2020, 04:04 PM
These guys are brutal. Should have been multiple yellows by now. Unkel drives me crazy.

And he winds up giving Mavinga a yellow.

NK Toronto
11-08-2020, 04:04 PM
Due to Bradley not clearing the ball.

portu
11-08-2020, 04:04 PM
Mavinga has been bloody sloppy

ag futbol
11-08-2020, 04:05 PM
Unkel is shit. How can you give Mavinga a yellow on that given the way the rest of the game has been officiated?

Bad start to the game. We are getting run over in midfield

MikeForbes
11-08-2020, 04:05 PM
Ugh. Not been impressed with this start at all.

NK Toronto
11-08-2020, 04:06 PM
Bradley is done.

portu
11-08-2020, 04:06 PM
Also fuck this crowd noise being pumped in by New Jersey right now. They are NEVER as loud as this noise.

NK Toronto
11-08-2020, 04:06 PM
Goodbye Shield

Auzzy
11-08-2020, 04:07 PM
I’ve seen reds given for that kind of challenge in this league.

That was time for the first "STFU Caldwell" for today, early one. He called it an "honest challenge." That doesn't exist in the rules of the game. Going in like that, if the other player touches the ball first, and you end up 2nd with your cleats into the top of the opponent's foot, it's a foul, should be at least a yellow. I think it was a bit too close & bang bang for a red, but come on.

Also the kick to Endoh's knee a few minutes ago could have been a yellow.

Fuck I saw this coming. NYRB not as much winning as TFC giving them the game. NY hacking more than pressing. TFC doing some good things, NY not as good as most other recent opponents. But too many poor passes by TFC, often lethargic, and completely fell asleep on both goals. Wake the fuck up!

MikeForbes
11-08-2020, 04:07 PM
Bradley does not belong in the starting lineup. And goddamnit!

ag futbol
11-08-2020, 04:07 PM
Disaster

Poor Westberg. Give him some support you plebs

portu
11-08-2020, 04:07 PM
Bradley is done.
His three year extension says otherwise

MightyDM
11-08-2020, 04:07 PM
Well this isn’t good

PaceyWinger
11-08-2020, 04:07 PM
Sub Nelson for DeLeon now. He's had one amost cross through 25 minutes and turned it over what feels like 5 times. Doesnt clear the cross and it dribbles througb for the goal. ugh.

MikeForbes
11-08-2020, 04:07 PM
#StartZavaleta

jloome
11-08-2020, 04:08 PM
Ridiculous. It’s not helping that the ref has allowed them to foul with impunity for 27 minutes, but what the fuck was Gonzalez doing there? His positioning and awareness was non-existent, like he was watching another team play.

MightyDM
11-08-2020, 04:08 PM
Stroud was offside interfering. That should be called back by VAR

OgtheDim
11-08-2020, 04:08 PM
That was a shocking couple of minutes from Gonzalez & Mavinga.

Just BAD defending

portu
11-08-2020, 04:08 PM
Sub everyone right now. I swear to fuck Poz, Akinola, Oso, Auro, Laryea, Mavinga off. Now.

ag futbol
11-08-2020, 04:09 PM
Stroud was offside interfering. That should be called back by VAR
Ya I noted that too and the whole “he didn’t touch it” argument is moot because he reached for it and Westberg had to position himself accordingly

OgtheDim
11-08-2020, 04:09 PM
First 20 minutes were decent enough then Mavinga gets a deserved yellow & the defence loses its head.

NK Toronto
11-08-2020, 04:10 PM
His three year extension says otherwise

At least he is no longer a DP

portu
11-08-2020, 04:10 PM
Watching Bradley on the ball is like watching the Portugal-Italy legends match at BMO

MightyDM
11-08-2020, 04:11 PM
Unkel bending over backwards to call tiny fouls against TFC because he has to call so many real fouls against NY, I suppose.

SoccMan2
11-08-2020, 04:11 PM
I just don’t see this team going anywhere in the playoffs, will be very surprised if they win their first playoff game. That 5-0 clobbering by Philadelphia was a foreshadowing that this team is really not that good . You have a game that means so much and this is how you come out ? They have basically thrown away the Shield when they were in a position to win it a few games ago an incredible choke job.

OgtheDim
11-08-2020, 04:13 PM
Funny thing is our defence has been very good this season - but when its bad, it is early TFC level bad.

PizzaEatingYeti
11-08-2020, 04:13 PM
We are playing like shit, even if the Red Bulls are hacking TFC to death, with the happy assistance of this idiot ref.
So this is the TFC team that had pretentions to the shield? Gimme a fing break. :facepalm:

Auzzy
11-08-2020, 04:13 PM
OMFG three guys staring at or running away from the ball.

jloome
11-08-2020, 04:13 PM
Fuck Omar, make sure the player is looking at you. Jesus fuck, when he has a bad game he truly is a shit defender. He goes from “solid like wall” to “falls over in a breeze” in efficacy.

MikeForbes
11-08-2020, 04:13 PM
Omar, pal... Zavaleta would be an upgrade on you right now. Maybe even Ciman... Maybe.

MightyDM
11-08-2020, 04:14 PM
Let’s see. Not out the real mom of chance that NY has a player or two sent off.

ag futbol
11-08-2020, 04:14 PM
I just don’t see this team going anywhere in the playoffs, will be very surprised if they win their first playoff game. That 5-0 clobbering by Philadelphia was a foreshadowing that this team is really not that good .
I still don’t know how good we actually are (missing a few parts at least) but we roundly screwed ourselves by putting the foot on the gas 1/2 way through the race until the tank ran empty short of the finish line

Given the scheduling this year we should have been positioning ourselves to peak at the end coming into playoffs. Instead we’re trying to get players back into form from injury and look completely disorganized

MightyDM
11-08-2020, 04:16 PM
That’s twice passes went to where Auro should be. Not where he was.

Vanney should take Mavinga off at the half. He is going to get a red.

portu
11-08-2020, 04:17 PM
I think we’re definitely a decent team as in top 5-7 in the league, but I really do think that money has been inefficiently spent in this roster. Which is why we’re trailing 2 nil to the New Jersey Shit Bulls.

MikeForbes
11-08-2020, 04:17 PM
Now Richie is hurt. This could not of gone worse.

ag futbol
11-08-2020, 04:17 PM
Could this get any worse?

portu
11-08-2020, 04:18 PM
I said take Richie off. Jesus fuck.

OgtheDim
11-08-2020, 04:19 PM
Groin injury by the looks of things...

Edit: looked bad but stayed and running slow

jloome
11-08-2020, 04:19 PM
This team is schizophrenic, I swear. I think Poz has missed three or four open, short passes today, when he normally has impeccable technique.

NK Toronto
11-08-2020, 04:19 PM
Now Richie is hurt. This could not of gone worse.

Yes it could, Poz could get hurt

bhandsome90
11-08-2020, 04:20 PM
Why do they still try and play from the back through MB, he's not that guy anymore.

PizzaEatingYeti
11-08-2020, 04:20 PM
Absolutely great! :facepalm:
Now we maybe lose Laryea for part of playoffs.

What the hell can go more wrong in this match?
Maybe Jozy comes in, and he gets injured again.

MightyDM
11-08-2020, 04:21 PM
That should be a yellow. Guy took Endoh right out.

jloome
11-08-2020, 04:21 PM
I dont think there’s anything wrong with our setup today, they have lots of space to work. They’re just playing like shit.

ag futbol
11-08-2020, 04:22 PM
That should be a yellow. Guy took Endoh right out.
Yep. How different was that than Mavinga’s? Marginal tactical foul, yellow in one case not in the other

Auzzy
11-08-2020, 04:23 PM
I think we’re definitely a decent team as in top 5-7 in the league, but I really do think that money has been inefficiently spent in this roster. Which is why we’re trailing 2 nil to the New Jersey Shit Bulls.

Good point. For example, some people like to complain about Delgado, but we're much worse w/o him playing.

SoccMan2
11-08-2020, 04:23 PM
The only saving grace might be if Piatti can get back but it looking more and more like Piatti is done for the season and let’s hope Laryea is nothing serious or else even more disaster.

NK Toronto
11-08-2020, 04:23 PM
I think we’re definitely a decent team as in top 5-7 in the league, but I really do think that money has been inefficiently spent in this roster. Which is why we’re trailing 2 nil to the New Jersey Shit Bulls.

Hard to win in MLS when your DP'S are injured and your TAM's can"t make the lineup

MikeForbes
11-08-2020, 04:23 PM
Why do they still try and play from the back through MB, he's not that guy anymore.

This is a big reason why the team was better without Bradley. Osorio and Delgado proved that Bradley's role is obsolete in this team.

MikeForbes
11-08-2020, 04:24 PM
Philly leading.

OgtheDim
11-08-2020, 04:25 PM
Why do they still try and play from the back through MB, he's not that guy anymore.

Bradley no longer is good enough to be starting against all teams.

In the second half versus Miami, he charged forward, but that was versus a team with no real DM presence. Red Bulls are basically 2 WB's, 2 CB's and 6 DM's.

jloome
11-08-2020, 04:25 PM
Okay, so we need to score three and NE has to score one. No problem.

NK Toronto
11-08-2020, 04:25 PM
Philly winning. Time to sub Poz, Mavinga, Oso, Akinola

portu
11-08-2020, 04:26 PM
I want to know why our wingers seem to be floating around the pitch without defensive responsibilities. When we lose the ball we get fucked.

OgtheDim
11-08-2020, 04:28 PM
Its not going to happen but I'd like to see Priso replace Bradley and Altidore come in for Endoh & see what a 4-4-2 can do - just the last 30 minutes.

MightyDM
11-08-2020, 04:28 PM
Beautiful piece of play at the end.

Auzzy
11-08-2020, 04:28 PM
WTF is Pozuelo doing at the sideline on our side of the field? He picks up the ball and dribbles the ball into 5 NY players. He doesn't trust anyone else to bring the ball forward today.

OgtheDim
11-08-2020, 04:29 PM
Dang...a goal then would have made for an interesting second half but...not to be.

MikeForbes
11-08-2020, 04:29 PM
Game is going on the phone now. Dolphins might stand a better chance.

PaceyWinger
11-08-2020, 04:30 PM
There is no point to having Endoh and Deleon. Yes they try, but it hamstrings our midfield for passing options up the field. They dont have speed to keep defenders honest or the skill to finish. Slow on defense, slow in the midfield and slow on the wings is not a great strategy against a team who is going to press you like crazy. The book on how to beat TFC is out.

ag futbol
11-08-2020, 04:30 PM
Ball is making it to midfield and game is crying out for someone to pop up in between the lines to break the press.

What’s that in the corner of the screen? It’s Endoh JOGGING 2 ft from a defender. No wonder we can’t beat the press, there’s no movement off the ball.

Endoh and DeLeon are guys who run hard when the play is right in front of them but aren’t smart enough to anticipate the play. Honestly how can this be the quality of backup winger we have 3 years after it was beyond obvious this was a need?

bhandsome90
11-08-2020, 04:31 PM
This is a big reason why the team was better without Bradley. Osorio and Delgado proved that Bradley's role is obsolete in this team.

Those 2 still play in the double pivot, but they provide each other space and don't slow build up play. Team still needs wingers. Piatti is really the only true winger Vanney likes to play.

PizzaEatingYeti
11-08-2020, 04:35 PM
I think we’re definitely a decent team as in top 5-7 in the league, but I really do think that money has been inefficiently spent in this roster. Which is why we’re trailing 2 nil to the New Jersey Shit Bulls.

I always thought that looking at total money spent on rosters proportional with the results, TFC is the biggest underachiever in the history of MLS.
I mean how many times was TFC the biggest spender, or in the top 3 biggest spenders per season? And even in the first 4-5 years, when we where really really bad, we were decent spenders on team roster.
And what can TFC show for all this? 1 Shield and 1 Cup. Too little!

PaceyWinger
11-08-2020, 04:39 PM
We spent 45 minutes slowly building the play only to pass it back to the CBs. 60% possession no shots.

Auzzy
11-08-2020, 04:41 PM
This feels like that dreadful game against NYRB in the old football stadium. Things start going bad, and there's no positive response by TFC.

Not only is Bradley playing very poorly (just saw the replay of the NY goal on the corner, OMFG twice Bradley screwed up in the lead-up to that, as well as a few others). But he is way too Zen as a captain in a situation like this. Things go badly, everyone keeps jogging around, no turnaround and no fire. And Vanney traditionally too much in the ivory tower. Let's see if there's any change, maybe a little urgency in the 2nd half?

Only chance might be some Altidore & Akinola magic to score three goals. More realistic is throw on 4 kids soon, rest the best 4 players to avoid more injuries before the playoffs. (W/o Laryea and Piatti in the playoffs, we're pretty much screwed.)

ag futbol
11-08-2020, 04:44 PM
How is DeLeon not ready to run for that? Certain goal scoring chance if he was only thinking one step ahead

OgtheDim
11-08-2020, 04:45 PM
2021 supporter - Oso is going to need the rest after that injury so Priso on is fine & good for us

2020 supporter - Will nobody rid of us of this troublesome need to prop up Bradley circa 2020 as the same as Bradley circa 2014-2018?

NK Toronto
11-08-2020, 04:46 PM
I always thought that looking at total money spent on rosters proportional with the results, TFC is the biggest underachiever in the history of MLS.
I mean how many times was TFC the biggest spender, or in the top 3 biggest spenders per season? And even in the first 4-5 years, when we where really really bad, we were decent spenders on team roster.
And what can TFC show for all this? 1 Shield and 1 Cup. Too little!

MLS is a league set up to achieve parity. The league doesn't want dominant teams like they have in Europe, as it hurts attendance if you are not one of the dominant teams. The league is set up to give everyone a shot. MLS Cup is a crap shoot and tends to favour teams peaking at the end of the season. Unfortunately we are playing at our worst going into the playoffs.

OgtheDim
11-08-2020, 04:48 PM
Yup, best teams in the league is always the top team in the supporter's race.

MLS Cup is a crap shoot - fun but no recognition of true strength

OgtheDim
11-08-2020, 04:50 PM
Its the hope that kills

ag futbol
11-08-2020, 04:51 PM
MLS is a league set up to achieve parity. The league doesn't want dominant teams like they have in Europe, as it hurts attendance if you are not one of the dominant teams. MLS Cup is a crap shoot and tends to favour teams peaking at the end of the season. Unfortunately we are playing at worst going into the playoffs.
I hear you. Certainly 1-2 higher paid signings won’t save you if the rest of the roster is crap and the “rest” of the roster is bought with similar dollars across all teams.

However, the idea that parity exists here due to the cap is overblown. Someone did a study of results in MLS and the best predictor of performance was still wages paid by team (as it generally is in all sports). The correlation was nearly as strong as it was for some other leagues with a less stringent salary caps.

So anyway, my long winded point is, money can still buy you success

Auzzy
11-08-2020, 04:52 PM
Well what do we know, Deleon and Endoh combine for a goal. :D

NK Toronto
11-08-2020, 04:53 PM
Tonight is the noisiest crowd I have ever heard at Red Bull's Arena.

ag futbol
11-08-2020, 04:55 PM
Well what do we know, Deleon and Endoh combine for a goal. :D

And Bradley made a run through leading to a shot on goal. World is upside down

PaceyWinger
11-08-2020, 04:58 PM
Priso is very positive with his passing. Finally someone looking to put the ball up field to get players moving vertically.

OgtheDim
11-08-2020, 04:58 PM
2021 - Priso with Osorio as the DM please

2020 - RUN EVERYBODY RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MightyDM
11-08-2020, 04:58 PM
Priso is pretty good. Good to see Jozy back.

OgtheDim
11-08-2020, 05:01 PM
Tonight is the noisiest crowd I have ever heard at Red Bull's Arena.


Funny for a group of supporters who called this season meaningless

MikeForbes
11-08-2020, 05:08 PM
Mullinho, please.

tfcfans
11-08-2020, 05:11 PM
See you on the 24th - Shield is done; hope we have a full squad to try to win 4 games — Going to Philly with a full squad is not an impossible task; we’ve won in NY and Atl.....

James17930
11-08-2020, 05:12 PM
Damn ... really limping to the finish line here.

OgtheDim
11-08-2020, 05:12 PM
The NYRB feed is horrendous - you can see who they are talking about.

benito
11-08-2020, 05:13 PM
With Philly up by two, I think it’s time to take off Poz and Ayo. No need risking injury.

Smokecell
11-08-2020, 05:13 PM
Irrelevant now. Union death blow.

OgtheDim
11-08-2020, 05:14 PM
Damn ... really limping to the finish line here.


Yeh, this is looking like 2 teams who know where they will finish after this.

(For those who want pro/rel, this is what 40% of games in the last month are like)

MikeForbes
11-08-2020, 05:18 PM
Just glad we have two weeks off to recover. The Shield was a long shot anyway.

NK Toronto
11-08-2020, 05:20 PM
Yeh, this is looking like 2 teams who know where they will finish after this.

(For those who want pro/rel, this is what 40% of games in the last month are like)

Pro/Rel will never happen in MLS and I am okay with that. What I want to see is a loosening of the salary cap, no games on international breaks, and the Gold Cup played every 4 years instead of 2. Allowing teams to spend more on players is what will really take MLS to the next level.

Bushmancan
11-08-2020, 05:20 PM
With Philly winning the shield is theirs but I really like seeing the urgency. I want them to tie it up.

ag futbol
11-08-2020, 05:21 PM
Let’s get a goal here for the sake of a moral victory. These guys need to feel positive about something heading into playoffs

MikeForbes
11-08-2020, 05:22 PM
Pro/Rel will never happen in MLS and I am okay with that. What I want to see is a loosening of the salary cap, no games on international breaks, and the Gold Cup played every 4 years instead of 2.

If MLS had pro/rel, TFC would still be a USL side since being relegated in 2008 or 2009.

MightyDM
11-08-2020, 05:23 PM
With Philly winning the shield is theirs but I really like seeing the urgency. I want them to tie it up.
Agree. And good to get Priso and Nelson minutes when it matters. Or fees like it does. Good to get Jozy on too. Need Poz and Auro to keep the ball movjng.

MightyDM
11-08-2020, 05:23 PM
Let’s get a goal here for the sake of a moral victory. These guys need to feel positive about something heading into playoffs

Yes. Agree. Pride.

MikeForbes
11-08-2020, 05:25 PM
The best Nelson has looked.

Bushmancan
11-08-2020, 05:27 PM
Agreed, would love to see him get a goal

OgtheDim
11-08-2020, 05:27 PM
So they just sent Gonzalez up top to be a target man....

Smokecell
11-08-2020, 05:27 PM
Hard lesson to this board about talking like you’ve won something that you haven’t yet earned.

James17930
11-08-2020, 05:30 PM
Hard lesson to this board about talking like you’ve won something that you haven’t yet earned.

Yep.

So now it's about getting healthy and getting amped up for the playoffs.

MightyDM
11-08-2020, 05:30 PM
We are clearly a flawed team. But at our best we have a shot at the cup. Two weeks will help us - Poz needs a rest because he is thinking slowly; Jozy, Oso, Piatti need a full recovery.

MikeForbes
11-08-2020, 05:33 PM
You can tell Vanney was never serious about winning this game since Mullins didn't see the field.

Bushmancan
11-08-2020, 05:33 PM
I still feel good about this team... in a one and done. I would not want to have to play them. No easy route for anyone. Rest up and heal, congratulate Philly and go hard for the cup.


:scarf:
COYRs

MightyDM
11-08-2020, 05:34 PM
Separately, gotta like Vic Rauter. Never change Vic. .

OgtheDim
11-08-2020, 05:36 PM
Going to play one of Montreal, NER or Nashville in the playoffs.

MightyDM
11-08-2020, 05:36 PM
You can tell Vanney was never serious about winning this game since Mullins didn't see the field.

Who thought we would ever see this text???!!!!

Auzzy
11-08-2020, 05:37 PM
We really don't have a good record on corners this year, very few goals scored. Seems like Gonzalez and Mavinga should be scoring a few of those per season.

Well that's the kind of season it's been. I'm not expecting much in the playoffs, but who knows. I think surviving to the end of the season, with a decent position in the playoffs, is an achievement on its own, given all the issues. I see the the playoffs as an opportunity to test some players for next year, after they get a bit of break now, and then there will be some tough decisions to make in the off-season. Sad that I don't feel too comfortable that Curtis can get the kind of players we need, and spending may be further constrained due to the pandemic influence on finances.

MightyDM
11-08-2020, 05:39 PM
If you are watching Montréal, Piette gets a red for more or less the same challenge that NYRB did on Oso and it wasn’t even a card. The inconsistency must drive these players crazy.

Smokecell
11-08-2020, 05:41 PM
Whoever tweeted shine the shield should wear an impact jersey for a week as a proverbial dunce cap.

tfcfans
11-08-2020, 05:44 PM
Nashville ahead of NE is good if they both win at home in the play in game / much prefer to get Nash over NE in round one if it works out that way.

Auzzy
11-08-2020, 05:45 PM
Hard lesson to this board about talking like you’ve won something that you haven’t yet earned.

This board? I think the team might have been a bit big on themselves at times, reading too much of their own press clippings. I never thought anything was guaranteed. There were too many 1-goal wins that could have gone any which way, so I didn't think anything would be a cakewalk.

Pulling the Supporters Shield out from under the feet of teams that were battling in a very tough environment was the problem. Philly are worth recipients. They've been pretty consistent all season. 9-0-0 at home. (Of course that part isn't a fair comparison to TFC, who barely played at home.) But also +24 goal differential. Plenty of comfortable wins. They deserve it.

ag futbol
11-08-2020, 05:47 PM
General thoughts:

- 3 DP’s on the field but only one that’s still having the impact
- Another good performance from Priso. Not as sparkling as last game but still a good outing.
- goal or not I’m still no fan of Endoh / DeLeon up top.
- when subbed (or maybe one day starting?) I’d use Nelson in a structured role as a FW that gets to the endline, cuts in to shoot, is expected to track back, etc... that free role is not going to do him any favours. Make him understand the pro game and contribute in a organized way. Worry about him being the next Ronaldinho later

tfcfans
11-08-2020, 05:51 PM
Considering all the complaining we tend to do on here about this group - they finished 2nd overall in a 26 team league and have barely been at home all year. The cards have been stacked against them since early-September or so. It’s been 14 games in a row not at BMO. 8 wins 4 losses and 2 draws. Without all of their DPs and many other starters for a lot of those games too.

PizzaEatingYeti
11-08-2020, 06:06 PM
See you on the 24th - Shield is done; hope we have a full squad to try to win 4 games — Going to Philly with a full squad is not an impossible task; we’ve won in NY and Atl.....

Philly is a lot better at home than NY or ATL was at home at that time.
Here are their stats in Philly:

Games / Won / Draw / Lost / Goals
11 / 10 / 1 / 0 / 27:6

This is a sensational record.

NK Toronto
11-08-2020, 06:10 PM
We could just as easily win the cup this year as go out in our first game. Neither would surprise me as there are no dominant teams in this league.

Last month when we were on that win streak some of the commentators on TSN were comparing this squad to the 2017 team. To me this was laughable. The 2017 team had 4 legit DP quality players, while this team has one. I hope that the 2017 squad will one day be replicated.

NK Toronto
11-08-2020, 06:14 PM
It's funny how this forum works. The moment the game ends everyone stops posting.

PizzaEatingYeti
11-08-2020, 06:22 PM
Last month when we were on that win streak some of the commentators on TSN were comparing this squad to the 2017 team. To me this was laughable. The 2017 team had 4 legit DP quality players, while this team has one. I hope that the 2017 squad will one day be replicated.

Huge truth here!

stevep
11-08-2020, 06:27 PM
Considering all the complaining we tend to do on here about this group - they finished 2nd overall in a 26 team league and have barely been at home all year. The cards have been stacked against them since early-September or so. It’s been 14 games in a row not at BMO. 8 wins 4 losses and 2 draws. Without all of their DPs and many other starters for a lot of those games too.

its not saying much, the competition of tfc opponents is slightly above usl
this nyrb is a usl team, and tfc lost to them

the greatness of this team is gone when giovinco was gone.
jozy one of the best players in the world is nothing without giovinco
we replaced VV with poz but its not enough
the death blow was gio no longer on tfc
you're all fooling yourselves if you dont see that

Mikmacdo
11-08-2020, 06:31 PM
General thoughts:

- 3 DP’s on the field but only one that’s still having the impact
- Another good performance from Priso. Not as sparkling as last game but still a good outing.
- goal or not I’m still no fan of Endoh / DeLeon up top.
- when subbed (or maybe one day starting?) I’d use Nelson in a structured role as a FW that gets to the endline, cuts in to shoot, is expected to track back, etc... that free role is not going to do him any favours. Make him understand the pro game and contribute in a organized way. Worry about him being the next Ronaldinho later

Umm Piatti is the third dp.

Agree with endoh and DeLeon. Hopefully Piatti is back and I'd play laryea at left wing.

reggie
11-08-2020, 06:48 PM
We could just as easily win the cup this year as go out in our first game. Neither would surprise me as there are no dominant teams in this league.

Last month when we were on that win streak some of the commentators on TSN were comparing this squad to the 2017 team. To me this was laughable. The 2017 team had 4 legit DP quality players, while this team has one. I hope that the 2017 squad will one day be replicated.
i will give tfc a pass this season,on the road, injuries all that stuff,i agree with you ,they could make another run or lose in the first rd,they have really been average the last 6 weeks or so.

OgtheDim
11-08-2020, 06:58 PM
It's funny how this forum works. The moment the game ends everyone stops posting.


We win - certain people post more

We lose - certain people post more


plus ca change


*******

Orange ball snow game out in Utah is the only really interesting game in the West.

OgtheDim
11-08-2020, 07:11 PM
https://twitter.com/SupporterShield/status/1325567574726246401

Couldn't organize a ....

Thomas
11-08-2020, 07:12 PM
I completely agree that Gio was an amazing player (in his prime), but his output seriously declined, and he was but a shadow of what he was when he left TFC. So no, Gio would not have saved us.


its not saying much, the competition of tfc opponents is slightly above usl
this nyrb is a usl team, and tfc lost to them

the greatness of this team is gone when giovinco was gone.
jozy one of the best players in the world is nothing without giovinco
we replaced VV with poz but its not enough
the death blow was gio no longer on tfc
you're all fooling yourselves if you dont see that

Auzzy
11-08-2020, 07:30 PM
I completely agree that Gio was an amazing player (in his prime), but his output seriously declined, and he was but a shadow of what he was when he left TFC. So no, Gio would not have saved us.

It's high time to get another good old DeRo fight going! The death blow is that DeRo is no longer on TFC!

Auzzy
11-08-2020, 07:31 PM
https://twitter.com/SupporterShield/status/1325567574726246401

Couldn't organize a ....

And once again limiting responses... Only people that they tagged in the tweet can respond. Weak...

MikeForbes
11-08-2020, 07:45 PM
It's funny how this forum works. The moment the game ends everyone stops posting.

Really not much to say about it. We lost and have no idea who we are playing next. Hoping we get a good match up next round.

tfcfans
11-08-2020, 07:58 PM
Comparing this team to 2017 is a fools game - no one in their right mind thinks that we are as talented as that group - that team was rated as the best team EVER in the history of MLS on their little contest to determine such on their website (obviously its very subjective but still)....Wherever that team sits in the pantheon of MLS teams (top 3 for sure) ; if that’s the bar by which you measure how good we are from year to year, and anything less than that is a failure, then you will be very disappointed every year likely for the next few decades I’m sure — I just want my team to win a Shield or an MLS Cup (however imperfect they are, as all teams are in this league, especially this season).....They are a legitimate contender as much as any team; outside of Philly, would I pick against us at Home against a West team in the Finals if we are healthy? Nope; we will be underdogs in one game - @Philly, and with a healthy squad we are probably a 65-35 underdog in a one game playoff. Philly still has to avoid any potholes to get there, as would we, so there are no guarantees we would ever have to leave Hartford either if we go the Finals.....Go Nashville!!!

ag futbol
11-08-2020, 07:59 PM
It's high time to get another good old DeRo fight going! The death blow is that DeRo is no longer on TFC!
That was a classic. I think it reached 100 pages and included such items as whether Earl Cochrane actually received the fax to confirm Dero’s trail at Celtic.

Say what you will about championships and success but it can’t be beat the entertainment value of good old fashioned muck raking and dysfunction.

NK Toronto
11-08-2020, 08:38 PM
https://twitter.com/SupporterShield/status/1325567574726246401

Couldn't organize a ....

l bet this is Trump's doing. He is mad at Philly because it cost him Pennsylvania.

tfcfans
11-08-2020, 08:51 PM
Seattle v LAFC in round one....A bunch of crazy endings created that rematch....

PaceyWinger
11-08-2020, 08:58 PM
Snow in Salt Lake was fun to watch tonight.

PizzaEatingYeti
11-09-2020, 04:47 AM
Do we have any worst record against anyone like visitors, than with the Red Bulls?
It was said in the TSN match commentary that we won 2 matches from 16 prior to this one.

IMO if we consider the extra fact that NYRB has great quality pitch, not some crap plastic (a la New England), we have done for sure the worst as visitors.

Edit:
Does someone has some stats from which we know the away opponents with whom we have the top 3-4 worst records historically ?

Smokecell
11-09-2020, 08:41 AM
Do we have any worst record against anyone like visitors, than with the Red Bulls?
It was said in the TSN match commentary that we won 2 matches from 16 prior to this one.

IMO if we consider the extra fact that NYRB has great quality pitch, not some crap plastic (a la New England), we have done for sure the worst as visitors.

Edit:
Does someone has some stats from which we know the away opponents with whom we have the top 3-4 worst records historically ?

Unofficially but quite confidently I believe NER and RSL would crack the top of that list. Our struggles at Gillette have been well documented and I believe we won for the first time at the Riot last season.

Prof
11-09-2020, 09:25 AM
We need a midfield of Osario, Piatti, Pozuello and Delgado and to have Mavinga on the pitch healthy to have any chance of progressing through the playoffs. Our game is too slow when Bradley is on the pitch as everything goes through him. Hopefully this 2 week break gets them all back.:drinking:

Prof
11-09-2020, 09:31 AM
I always thought that looking at total money spent on rosters proportional with the results, TFC is the biggest underachiever in the history of MLS.
I mean how many times was TFC the biggest spender, or in the top 3 biggest spenders per season? And even in the first 4-5 years, when we where really really bad, we were decent spenders on team roster.
And what can TFC show for all this? 1 Shield and 1 Cup. Too little!

7 Canadian Championships, 1 Shield, 3 Eastern Conference Championships, 1 MLS Cup = 12 Major Trophies.:drinking:

jabbronies
11-09-2020, 10:57 AM
7 Canadian Championships, 1 Shield, 3 Eastern Conference Championships, 1 MLS Cup = 12 Major Trophies.:drinking:

We have a bunch of 2nd place finishes as well. It means we are competing. Like - legit competing

Joe Kool
11-09-2020, 04:08 PM
7 Canadian Championships, 1 Shield, 3 Eastern Conference Championships, 1 MLS Cup = 12 Major Trophies.:drinking:

Another list of achievements not ending in trophies...CCL finals even though we didn't win the penalty shootout...not many MLS teams can claim that especially having all Mexican competition the whole way. Also, we were in the MLS Cup finals 2016,2017, 2019 which is no small achievement (3 out of last 4 years). And now 2nd place overall playing away from home most of this season during the 2020 season and narrowly missing the Shield. Too little in achievements? Interesting take. Not mine though. That is for sure.

spe18
11-09-2020, 06:35 PM
That was a classic. I think it reached 100 pages and included such items as whether Earl Cochrane actually received the fax to confirm Dero’s trail at Celtic.

Say what you will about championships and success but it can’t be beat the entertainment value of good old fashioned muck raking and dysfunction.

Well.....if a fax had been sent, then somewhere out there must be a fax confirmation sheet eh lol

MightyDM
11-09-2020, 06:36 PM
Jozy and Oso both looked much fitter than I expected. Give them another two weeks and I like the team we can put on the field. Even better if Marky and Piatti recover too.

spe18
11-09-2020, 07:22 PM
Those 2 still play in the double pivot, but they provide each other space and don't slow build up play. Team still needs wingers. Piatti is really the only true winger Vanney likes to play.

In general, what type of formation would be suitable for wingers to play in. For example, when I'm playing FIFA on the PS4, I tend to play in a 4-2-2 diamond formation, which looks something like this:

Striker Striker
Central Attacking Midfielder
Left Midfielder Right Midfielder
Central Defensive Midfielder
Left Back Centre Back Centre Back Right Back


In this scenario, could you have a "winger" in instead of a LM/RM, or even in place of the LB/RB?

MightyDM
11-09-2020, 08:02 PM
In general, what type of formation would be suitable for wingers to play in. For example, when I'm playing FIFA on the PS4, I tend to play in a 4-2-2 diamond formation, which looks something like this:

Striker Striker
Central Attacking Midfielder
Left Midfielder Right Midfielder
Central Defensive Midfielder
Left Back Centre Back Centre Back Right Back


In this scenario, could you have a "winger" in instead of a LM/RM, or even in place of the LB/RB?

I think you want to start by adding 2 more players to the 4-2-2 ...

spe18
11-09-2020, 08:19 PM
In general, what type of formation would be suitable for wingers to play in. For example, when I'm playing FIFA on the PS4, I tend to play in a 4-2-2 diamond formation, which looks something like this:

Striker Striker
Central Attacking Midfielder
Left Midfielder Right Midfielder
Central Defensive Midfielder
Left Back Centre Back Centre Back Right Back


In this scenario, could you have a "winger" in instead of a LM/RM, or even in place of the LB/RB?


I think you want to start by adding 2 more players to the 4-2-2 ...

Oh right, of course, I mean a 4-4-2, in a diamond!

OgtheDim
11-09-2020, 09:14 PM
Diamond is narrow by nature.

4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 can use wingers.

Initial B
11-10-2020, 08:53 AM
Can't you also use wingers in a 4-1-4-1?

OgtheDim
11-10-2020, 10:48 AM
Can't you also use wingers in a 4-1-4-1?


Sure.....Michael Bradley as a lone DM days seem to be done though.

portu
11-10-2020, 11:38 AM
Sure.....Michael Bradley seem to be done though.
Fixed that for you

OgtheDim
11-10-2020, 01:47 PM
Fixed that for you


Yeh, I'm trying to figure that out - CB?

MikeForbes
11-10-2020, 06:37 PM
Yeh, I'm trying to figure that out - CB?

He wasn't great there when we were forced to play him as a CB. I can just picture us forcing passes to our CB to get the attack started.

MightyDM
11-10-2020, 07:19 PM
We will see about MB. Those were two tough impact injuries to his foot and then knee, and although he didn't have much pace to begin with, i wouldn't write him off just yet. He is still recovering and if he even regains a touch more movement it could make a huge difference.

ag futbol
11-10-2020, 07:39 PM
He wasn't great there when we were forced to play him as a CB. I can just picture us forcing passes to our CB to get the attack started.
That was my recollection too. We were forced to field him in that spot and it went poorly. I dunno if I see that working.

I think it is best to move on sadly

spe18
11-10-2020, 08:10 PM
Diamond is narrow by nature.

4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 can use wingers.


Can't you also use wingers in a 4-1-4-1?

Thanks. So are wingers essentially a special/specific type of midfielder? I ask this because looking at TFC's roster page, it doesn't actually use the term "winger" as a playing position. Who would be the wingers on TFC?

https://www.torontofc.ca/players

So in the 4-2-3-1 as mentioned (which is what I think TFC typically plays - from the few seconds I see the formation screen on the TSN telecast), for the "3" in it, would it be 2 wingers on the outside, plus the CAM (central attacking midfielder)? Which I guess in TFC's case would Pozuelo (aka the number 10 position?)?

And it's actually a wide diamond that I play on FIFA! Well, what they used to call a 4-4-2 diamond is now called a 4-1-2-1-2 in that game, with narrow and wide options available.

OgtheDim
11-10-2020, 09:48 PM
Diamond midfields with a big donut in the middle get overrun real quick - nobody playing that style anymore.

bhandsome90
11-13-2020, 03:29 AM
Thanks. So are wingers essentially a special/specific type of midfielder? I ask this because looking at TFC's roster page, it doesn't actually use the term "winger" as a playing position. Who would be the wingers on TFC?

Piatti, Gallardo, Shaff, and Nelson I think are true wide wingers, others that do play it look more like inverted wingers or just center mids. Most of the wide plays seemed to come from Piatti on both sides of the field with the fullback helping this season.