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OgtheDim
09-15-2020, 05:59 PM
Its Eyes on You


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nmqQlW-sMo


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Have at It People

Lil'John
09-15-2020, 07:28 PM
Big game. I've booked a table for 6 for us to watch at the Firkin on Harbour!
We kind of should/need to win. DCU haven't looked good. NYCFC and the Crew will be the real test oi how good we are.

magmadragon
09-17-2020, 01:12 AM
Immigrants (in Connecticut). We get the job done.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nmqQlW-sMo

OgtheDim
09-18-2020, 06:43 PM
https://twitter.com/SoccerInsider/status/1307089891776495619

Fraser out

A LOT of DCU is out

MikeForbes
09-18-2020, 07:52 PM
I will be disappointed if TFC can't take all 3 points.

PaceyWinger
09-18-2020, 08:30 PM
Haven't really been following much news lately, anyone can share what Fraser's injury was?

OgtheDim
09-19-2020, 11:58 AM
https://twitter.com/SportsAviation/status/1307320049724727298

And the boys have left the KIA training ground behind for the year now - flew into DC last night.

From now on, all training takes place in the US - only coming back to TO to see family.

OgtheDim
09-19-2020, 01:22 PM
Haven't really been following much news lately, anyone can share what Fraser's injury was?

It wasn't in any reports as of Wednesday, so likely an issue happening at training.

Official game injury report says "undisclosed injury" - likely to come out during the broadcast tonight

PaceyWinger
09-19-2020, 03:09 PM
It wasn't in any reports as of Wednesday, so likely an issue happening at training.

Official game injury report says "undisclosed injury" - likely to come out during the broadcast tonight

Cheers

OgtheDim
09-19-2020, 05:59 PM
Saw the lineup


:lurk5:

MikeForbes
09-19-2020, 05:59 PM
No Auro on the roster at all tonight. Gallacher makes the bench.

MikeForbes
09-19-2020, 06:01 PM
Oh, and some guy named Zavaleta starts. ;)

OgtheDim
09-19-2020, 06:02 PM
https://twitter.com/KristianJack/status/1307450136646352896

James17930
09-19-2020, 06:21 PM
Thank Zeus we have depth.

Even with all those guys out, this is a decent lineup.

Mikmacdo
09-19-2020, 06:45 PM
Wish Dunn was around to start.

CBTFC
09-19-2020, 06:46 PM
anyone have a live stream? my usual avenues aren't working.

James17930
09-19-2020, 06:53 PM
Looks like the start has been delayed ...?

James17930
09-19-2020, 06:56 PM
This is the only working one I've found so far:

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SneijderOranje
09-19-2020, 07:00 PM
This is the only working one I've found so far:

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for how much gonzalez costs he is horrible... a toddler has better touch

NK Toronto
09-19-2020, 07:01 PM
No Auro, no Mavinga, no shut-out.

benito
09-19-2020, 07:01 PM
That was a gift to them. :facepalm:

GerMc
09-19-2020, 07:01 PM
While I was afraid to see Zavaleta in the starting line-up, it is Gonzalez who has been playing terrible so far. I know he is on the wrong side, but there is no excuse for that giveaway.

portu
09-19-2020, 07:01 PM
Unacceptable completely unacceptable

PizzaEatingYeti
09-19-2020, 07:02 PM
WTF Gonzalez?????

NK Toronto
09-19-2020, 07:02 PM
for how much gonzalez costs he is horrible... a toddler has better touch

His nickname in Mexico was "tree trunk"

James17930
09-19-2020, 07:03 PM
At least it happened early. We can come back.

PizzaEatingYeti
09-19-2020, 07:06 PM
Wake up you MOFOs!

NK Toronto
09-19-2020, 07:09 PM
Our passing tonight is horrific.

benito
09-19-2020, 07:11 PM
Nice finish Poz. Let’s keep this going and tighten up in the back.

rydermike
09-19-2020, 07:12 PM
DC gifted us one after we gifted them one

NK Toronto
09-19-2020, 07:12 PM
A gift from DC but I will take it.

rydermike
09-19-2020, 07:13 PM
TSN needs to add the clock in the corner

NK Toronto
09-19-2020, 07:13 PM
DC gifted us one after we gifted them one


Agreed.

Auzzy
09-19-2020, 07:15 PM
Almost another goal gifted later by Zavaleta. And yeah very bad by Omar on DC’s goal. 2nd problem was the very high line on that play. Suicidal by TFC with their fast CB missing, and DC has some quick players. Which means we will see that often tonight. 3rd problem honestly: Pozuelo’s pass to Omar was a bit too hard considering how close he was, and not accurate enough considering Omar’s vulnerable position on that moment.

NK Toronto
09-19-2020, 07:15 PM
Piatti has been quiet so far.

NK Toronto
09-19-2020, 07:18 PM
Geez Morrow

GerMc
09-19-2020, 07:20 PM
More shambolic defending...

portu
09-19-2020, 07:28 PM
Morrow off. Zavaleta off. Now. Don’t even wait for the half.

Jozy doesn’t care still but what are you gonna do

GerMc
09-19-2020, 07:32 PM
Morrow off. Zavaleta off. Now. Don’t even wait for the half.

Jozy doesn’t care still but what are you gonna do

I agree that Altidore has been pretty invisible lately...but if he can score a goal, like he did in Montreal, then I won't complain!

BTW, great defending with that header by Zavaleta. I actually think that he has been the better centerback tonight.

NK Toronto
09-19-2020, 07:33 PM
Morrow really looks slow out there. Give that new left back a shot

portu
09-19-2020, 07:33 PM
Morrow is getting BURNED by Odoi tonight. Can he still run?

James17930
09-19-2020, 07:43 PM
Morrow is getting BURNED by Odoi tonight. Can he still run?

Remember he's been dealing with Achilles issues.

But yeah, bring on Gallacher at the half.

NK Toronto
09-19-2020, 07:47 PM
This season is starting to feel like 2018.
One mediocre performance after another. It seems like the players are just waiting for the season to end.

PizzaEatingYeti
09-19-2020, 07:51 PM
We do not play good at all.
Very shaky defense, no real scoring chances except the gift we got from DC.
Is a player named Jozy on the field today? (Is that that big guy jogging around?)

OgtheDim
09-19-2020, 07:51 PM
Jozy going to score one I think - has that look about him. Needs service. A few to many times that Poz ignored Laryea open on the right and brought it back in to do some figuring.

Zavs is a very simple defender - not really at this level anymore unless he gets a run of games. I like how he is no nonsense about the ball at the back and just hoofs it. He isn't the issue in our back right now.


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DC likely to bring in a sub - don't make a change yet.

jloome
09-19-2020, 07:52 PM
We’re set up wrong tonight.

Vanney is a great coach but he’s wedded to the short pass, which most of the time in MLS makes sense, as a team that can control the clock has an advantage over hardworking-but-sloppy clubs.

tonight, Olsen has set them up to sit back and counter, making breaking them down much harder. We should move the bac line back and build slower, force them to move up from the back more.

OgtheDim
09-19-2020, 07:59 PM
We’re set up wrong tonight.

Vanney is a great coach but he’s wedded to the short pass, which most of the time in MLS makes sense, as a team that can control the clock has an advantage over hardworking-but-sloppy clubs.

tonight, Olsen has set them up to sit back and counter, making breaking them down much harder. We should move the bac line back and build slower, force them to move up from the back more.

I think Poz is the one wedded to the short pass - he is a magician but he's warping this team around his cleverness. Vanny is wedded to quick passing and moving it from side to side.

If we build slower, DCU would just park the bus & still counter. TFC needs to move the ball faster and use the width more.

NK Toronto
09-19-2020, 08:01 PM
Is Altidore injured again?

OgtheDim
09-19-2020, 08:02 PM
Ugh :facepalm:

jloome
09-19-2020, 08:02 PM
Akinola just contributed more to the buildup in the first two minutes than Jozy did in the first half

NK Toronto
09-19-2020, 08:06 PM
Delgado took a shot at goal. That surely is a sign that the apocalypse is coming.

PizzaEatingYeti
09-19-2020, 08:07 PM
Is Altidore injured again?

Or maybe tired?
He jogged too much already for tonight...

MikeForbes
09-19-2020, 08:09 PM
Just got it, did Altidore get hurt?

NK Toronto
09-19-2020, 08:09 PM
Has anyone seen those Girlmerry 30 second clips on YouTube? There is this Brazilian model that is absolutely fantastic.

rydermike
09-19-2020, 08:09 PM
Pozo needed to hit that first touch

OgtheDim
09-19-2020, 08:13 PM
Can you imagine being a DCU fan with Ben Olsen there for years....the complete lack of enjoyable football apart from the Rooney days would drive people in here away from the team.

oranje boven
09-19-2020, 08:13 PM
We have done a great job of stealing the ball from them when they try to move forward toward our end. Also some nice passes moving the ball up.... just craving one final touch for a goal.

benito
09-19-2020, 08:14 PM
Akinola!!

oranje boven
09-19-2020, 08:14 PM
And there is the wish come true

MikeForbes
09-19-2020, 08:14 PM
Ayooooo.

jloome
09-19-2020, 08:14 PM
Good job lad,get in!

rydermike
09-19-2020, 08:15 PM
Is that Ayo's first goal that wasn't assisted by Pozuelo?

GerMc
09-19-2020, 08:15 PM
Nice to see a center forward involved in the play!!!!

portu
09-19-2020, 08:17 PM
Akinola should be starting every match

SirBobSaget
09-19-2020, 08:19 PM
Two 17 year olds on for DC. Thtas gotta be some type of MLS record.

jloome
09-19-2020, 08:22 PM
Damn right. In slo motion that might look bad but at speed, no fuckign way.

SirBobSaget
09-19-2020, 08:23 PM
Was worried US VAR would start to do its best to start screwing TFC. So relived to see yellow.

OgtheDim
09-19-2020, 08:23 PM
As a single striker, Akinola fits Pozuelo's style of play better.

Jozy, with Poz, needs a second striker.

Not sold on Jozy & Poz working in the long term given our defensive frailties.

benito
09-19-2020, 08:23 PM
Damn right. In slo motion that might look bad but at speed, no fuckign way.

Exactly.

Auzzy
09-19-2020, 08:26 PM
The fact that the DC player fouled Laryea first on that play should also play a role, no? I mean that’s why he was within reach of Richie.

benito
09-19-2020, 08:27 PM
Akinola’s movement is so much better than Jozy right now. He gets into space and creates chances for himself.

rydermike
09-19-2020, 08:28 PM
I think a yellow was the right call. It wasn't intentional but it was careless and careless is worthy of a yellow in certain situations. I think the VAR ref knew all along it was only a yellow and probably told the ref that much.

NK Toronto
09-19-2020, 08:29 PM
As a single striker, Akinola fits Pozuelo's style of play better.

Jozy, with Poz, needs a second striker.

Not sold on Jozy & Poz working in the long term given our defensive frailties.

I think this is Jozy's last season with TFC. He is a TFC legend, but 2017 is long gone and he has now become a liability.

gracos
09-19-2020, 08:31 PM
Was Mavinga injured just confused why they used him as a sub if he is, do they not believe Gallacher is ready to step in

OgtheDim
09-19-2020, 08:33 PM
I think this is Jozy's last season with TFC. He is a TFC legend, but 2017 is long gone and he has now become a liability.

Jozy is, in the right setup, a much better forward then any other one we have.

But, this isn't his team anymore.

rydermike
09-19-2020, 08:33 PM
Was Mavinga injured just confused why they used him as a sub if he is, do they not believe Gallacher is ready to step in

Was injured, but healthy now, but didn't think he was ready for a full 90. I'm expecting Gallacher in for Morrow in a bit

gracos
09-19-2020, 08:34 PM
Was injured, but healthy now, but didn't think he was ready for a full 90. I'm expecting Gallacher in for Morrow in a bit

From what the announcers have announced we are putting on Gallardo, makes no sense to at least show Gallacher some action

Update: Ciman on, DeLeon off

OgtheDim
09-19-2020, 08:36 PM
Was Mavinga injured just confused why they used him as a sub if he is, do they not believe Gallacher is ready to step in

Gallacher is a LWB - not a CB. Maybe if Piatti is dead tired.

James17930
09-19-2020, 08:38 PM
Why Ciman?

Why do this to us?

benito
09-19-2020, 08:38 PM
Putting on Ciman and changing formation invites DC pressure. Not a fan and feel this is going to be a nail bitter.

oranje boven
09-19-2020, 08:39 PM
For a minute I thought Ciman was running onto the pitch with a mask on...

SoccMan2
09-19-2020, 08:39 PM
Why Ciman why why why???

rydermike
09-19-2020, 08:40 PM
Hope Piatti is okay for next game

SirBobSaget
09-19-2020, 08:42 PM
Sub him as a precaution hes too important. Have someone else do the defensive work.

GerMc
09-19-2020, 08:43 PM
Wow. That is just pathetic.

gracos
09-19-2020, 08:43 PM
hmm not good

GerMc
09-19-2020, 08:43 PM
Gonzalez was responsible for both of the goals. That was a terrible header.

SirBobSaget
09-19-2020, 08:44 PM
Gonzalez with a disaster game but why is VAnney not making subs when allowed 5?

MikeForbes
09-19-2020, 08:44 PM
Never should of taken off Zavs, I guess.

portu
09-19-2020, 08:44 PM
Such bullshit

James17930
09-19-2020, 08:44 PM
Gonzalez was responsible for both of the goals. That was a terrible header.

Plus Q called for it and Omar jumped in front of him.

NK Toronto
09-19-2020, 08:44 PM
Why was Poz taken out?

OgtheDim
09-19-2020, 08:44 PM
So who is our defensive coach again? Cause that was all about nobody calling for it and 3 guys going for it & Gonzalez not doing safety first.

PizzaEatingYeti
09-19-2020, 08:45 PM
100% deserved goal by DC.
This is all on Vanney... How the hell you want to just defend for the last 30 minutes?

SoccMan2
09-19-2020, 08:46 PM
Vanney needs to go it’s time , how many times does this team give up leads at the end of games disgraceful!!

portu
09-19-2020, 08:46 PM
Pozuelo off!?!! Is Vanney insane

I don’t understand this at all. We come out flat as all hell. Great adjustments in the second half. Ten minutes left decide to fuck with a good thing and bunker. Go down a goal. Pozuelo off.

rydermike
09-19-2020, 08:47 PM
It's an empty stadium, how the hell does Omar not hear Westberg call for it

rydermike
09-19-2020, 08:49 PM
I'm fed up with Vanneys "oh we have a 1 goal lead, let's completely switch our dominating strategy". How many times have we blown a late lead now because of this. Vanney needs to go

gracos
09-19-2020, 08:49 PM
Vanney needs to go it’s time , how many times does this team give up leads at the end of games disgraceful!!

it comes down to reinforcements, we are currently not playing the best 11 consistently due to injury bugs, and we are not looking at improving the club even through trades and using the acquistions, i think its time Ali puts his image on TFC instead of just letting the previous regime leftovers exist, i dont fully blame it on coach however feel its a top to bottom approach which needs to improve to go up to a SS contender

OgtheDim
09-19-2020, 08:50 PM
When the young energy you bring on is Endoh...you know you have something wrong in your development program.


Seriously, DCU at the end there had 3 teenagers playing.

portu
09-19-2020, 08:51 PM
it comes down to reinforcements, we are currently not playing the best 11 consistently due to injury bugs, and we are not looking at improving the club even through trades and using the acquistions, i think its time Ali puts his image on TFC instead of just letting the previous regime leftovers exist, i dont fully blame it on coach however feel its a top to bottom approach which needs to improve to go up to a SS contender
This has been the excuse since fucking 2018

that being said I’ve been kind of happy with Vanney as of late

MikeForbes
09-19-2020, 08:51 PM
Really disappointing.

Auzzy
09-19-2020, 08:52 PM
Just remember that DC really sucks this season, 2nd worst in the conference, & 2nd worst in the whole league based on PPG. (At least that was the case before this game ended.)

gracos
09-19-2020, 08:52 PM
next 2 games are going to clearly show who we are against NYCFC and CLB its not going to be pretty

benito
09-19-2020, 08:53 PM
There were no dc players around Omar on that cross. They gave those points away.

SirBobSaget
09-19-2020, 08:54 PM
Trade Altidore maybe he will care more somewhere else.

OgtheDim
09-19-2020, 08:54 PM
Just remember that DC really sucks this season, 2nd worst in the conference, & 2nd worst in the whole league based on PPG.

Our defence isn't good enough.

But that was a game where the midfield did the back line no favours in the last 10 minutes.

Really missed Bradley's calm nature out there tonight.

SoccMan2
09-19-2020, 08:57 PM
Get rid of guys like Mullins,Ciman, Endoh and let the young Canadians take their place , unless a foreign player is so much better than a Canadian then the Canadian should be chosen. What’s the purpose of keeping a Ciman, or a Mullens ? You got Canadian kids not even dressing I don’t get this!

SirBobSaget
09-19-2020, 08:58 PM
Our defence isn't good enough.

But that was a game where the midfield did the back line no favours in the last 10 minutes.

Really missed Bradley's calm nature out there tonight.

The crazy thing is their spending crazy money on all defensive players except the best one Laryea. So many defenders not earning their contracts like Zavaleta and Ciman. And in this game Morrow and Gonzalez

69Chevy396
09-19-2020, 09:06 PM
The crazy thing is their spending crazy money on all defensive players except the best one Laryea. So many defenders not earning their contracts like Zavaleta and Ciman. And in this game Morrow and Gonzalez

This team is as good as any in MLS, less a proven goal scoring threat. They have never replaced Giovinco.

NK Toronto
09-19-2020, 09:08 PM
The signs were there in Orlando that not all was well. We beat Vancouver 3-0 but then in the next 5 games our goal difference was +1. And now another late game collapse.

I think it's time to acknowledge that we are a mediocre, mid table club at best. We need to rebuild in the off-season and it may be time for a coaching change

PizzaEatingYeti
09-19-2020, 09:09 PM
This team is as good as any in MLS, less a proven goal scoring threat. They have never replaced Giovinco.

The big problem of this team is it's defense, not the offense.
It has been it's problem almost all their existence, except maybe 2-3 years.

reggie
09-19-2020, 09:10 PM
the 3 million dollar CBs and only mavinga is starter material.how many blown games the last 2 years,and jozy has to go.

OgtheDim
09-19-2020, 09:11 PM
If I was to blame somebody for this

I'd say:

a) every TFC academy director prior to 2014 for a complete waste of time & money developing anybody (but especially defenders) - the fact that the only home grown out there with TFC is Osorio most nights (and Akinola now) and that there is nobody else really in the whole of the dang world at this level or above who started in TFC's academy, came through and moved on somewhere of the same level ...that is shocking, unheard of in MLS & embarrassing
Our academy has to have one of the worst records in all of MLS.

&

b) Ali Curtis for not getting the recruitment right


no speed on the wings but for Laryea & the new guy & a bust in Gallardo
no decent 3rd CB, either experienced or a prospect, causing us to rely upon an aging Ciman & Gonzalez as Mavinga deals with injuries
only 1 left footed CB in the squad most nights
not getting that young wide attacker DP they were looking for back in January - Piatti has been great and all but remember - he was not the first choice - he's a wide older crafty guy who prefers to tuck in and this has unbalanced the passing of this team to the point where there is no speed of ball movement to open up pockets - its all tap tap to the close people and its wasting Altidore's use of space (which is how big men play) & sucking in everything down the middle


&

c) Vanney for

not replacing Fraser with somebody as good - I"m not sure who the defensive guru is but its not good enough
not replacing our GK coach



This all can be fixed and we will still win more then we will lose but this talk of being an elite MLS team is smoke & mirrors if you don't get academy products through & don't get the recruitment needed to use the players you have properly

PizzaEatingYeti
09-19-2020, 09:12 PM
All in all, we can be happy we got 1 point in this one.
At the start of the game could have been 2-0 for DC, and in the last minute they could have scored again.

OgtheDim
09-19-2020, 09:13 PM
And, I'd still rather be us then DCU with Ben Olsen.

ag futbol
09-19-2020, 09:26 PM
Pozuelo off!?!! Is Vanney insane

I don’t understand this at all. We come out flat as all hell. Great adjustments in the second half. Ten minutes left decide to fuck with a good thing and bunker. Go down a goal. Pozuelo off.
We park the bus and try to run the game out too often. Should go for the kill more often and set ourselves up to attack.

I want to see how we play next two games. We did fumble into a point here as much as it feels like a loss.

69Chevy396
09-19-2020, 09:35 PM
The big problem of this team is it's defense, not the offense.
It has been it's problem almost all their existence, except maybe 2-3 years.

It’s a problem for most teams in the League, and TFC is tied for 7th in the league for goals against. However, I can’t remember the last time we scored a goal on a set piece, or a free kick. Against shit teams like DC they should have scored 4 with all the chances they produced. A Giovinco would make all the difference, scoring, opening space for Altidore, reducing the pressure on a tired defence. Creating opportunities out of nothing. Generating free kicks.

NK Toronto
09-19-2020, 09:35 PM
I believe our biggest problem is how we have used our DP slots. A DP needs to be an elite player and a game changer. Only Poz meets that criteria. Piatti is a nice player but he is TAM, not DP. Altidore is a liability. In hindsight his current contract is the worst in TFC history. If instead we had a top notch striker and winger as DP's then we could probably get by with our current defenders. Our defense in 2017 was not that spectacular. As it stands now we can neither score nor defend.

OgtheDim
09-19-2020, 09:46 PM
FWIW Vanney after the game on Jozy

Sounds like Vanney was pretty disgusted with the first half performance

https://twitter.com/MichaelSingh94/status/1307506449216663560

reggie
09-19-2020, 09:50 PM
FWIW Vanney after the game on Jozy

Sounds like Vanney was pretty disgusted with the first half performance

https://twitter.com/MichaelSingh94/status/1307506449216663560
they had 10 days off...why are players always getting injured in training,thank god i dont give a shit about this season play the young guys.

OgtheDim
09-19-2020, 09:51 PM
FWIW

The followup from Vanney on Akinola in the second half

https://twitter.com/MichaelSingh94/status/1307507966162206720

Auzzy
09-19-2020, 09:52 PM
a) every TFC academy director prior to 2014 for a complete waste of time & money developing anybody (but especially defenders) - the fact that the only home grown out there with TFC is Osorio most nights (and Akinola now) and that there is nobody else really in the whole of the dang world at this level or above who started in TFC's academy, came through and moved on somewhere of the same level ...that is shocking, unheard of in MLS & embarrassing
Our academy has to have one of the worst records in all of MLS.


Plus Osorio only came to TFC when he was 20. Hardly home-grown even if he is considered that. He's just been with TFC a long time since he is now 28.

I think there are also tactical / motivational issues with Vanney. When things are stagnating or going poorly in a game, he has a hard time turning things around. I was feeling huge sense of dread as he was throwing on more defenders tonight.

I had completely erased this from my memory: in the MLS Is Back tournament, TFC played the complete 2nd half up a man against DC but scored no further goals during that time; and TFC was leading 2-0 with 10 minutes left in that game before DC tied it.

Red CB Toronto
09-19-2020, 09:55 PM
And Jonathan is not even home grown. He played for SC Toronto of the CSL in 2012 after returning from Uruguay. Technical he was in the TFC Academy for the latter part of the year before signings first team contact during the 2013 pre-season. He did not even qualify as a home grown player.


If I was to blame somebody for this

I'd say:

a) every TFC academy director prior to 2014 for a complete waste of time & money developing anybody (but especially defenders) - the fact that the only home grown out there with TFC is Osorio most nights (and Akinola now) and that there is nobody else really in the whole of the dang world at this level or above who started in TFC's academy, came through and moved on somewhere of the same level ...that is shocking, unheard of in MLS & embarrassing
Our academy has to have one of the worst records in all of MLS.

&

b) Ali Curtis for not getting the recruitment right


no speed on the wings but for Laryea & the new guy & a bust in Gallardo
no decent 3rd CB, either experienced or a prospect, causing us to rely upon an aging Ciman & Gonzalez as Mavinga deals with injuries
only 1 left footed CB in the squad most nights
not getting that young wide attacker DP they were looking for back in January - Piatti has been great and all but remember - he was not the first choice - he's a wide older crafty guy who prefers to tuck in and this has unbalanced the passing of this team to the point where there is no speed of ball movement to open up pockets - its all tap tap to the close people and its wasting Altidore's use of space (which is how big men play) & sucking in everything down the middle


&

c) Vanney for

not replacing Fraser with somebody as good - I"m not sure who the defensive guru is but its not good enough
not replacing our GK coach



This all can be fixed and we will still win more then we will lose but this talk of being an elite MLS team is smoke & mirrors if you don't get academy products through & don't get the recruitment needed to use the players you have properly

NK Toronto
09-19-2020, 10:04 PM
In the in season roster discussion thread there is a post from TFC1154 about Altidore which if true is shocking. It would explain why things are going so badly now.

OgtheDim
09-19-2020, 10:07 PM
Again FWIW, Vanney post game

https://www.torontofc.ca/post/2020/09/19/postgame-sound-greg-vanney-september-19-2020?autoplay=true

stevep
09-19-2020, 10:52 PM
This team is as good as any in MLS, less a proven goal scoring threat. They have never replaced Giovinco.
Also without Giovinco the team is kind of boring to watch

Bushmancan
09-20-2020, 09:58 AM
I'm fed up with Vanneys "oh we have a 1 goal lead, let's completely switch our dominating strategy". How many times have we blown a late lead now because of this. Vanney needs to go

Couldn’t watch the game but don’t have to, to not agree and respectfully Og, Vanney is a good coach but to be a great coach you need to learn. This tactic worked in 16 and 17 but is killing us this year, 4 games now with the lead in the 80th and we don’t take 3 points.

Prof
09-20-2020, 01:17 PM
Also without Giovinco the team is kind of boring to watch

I have to disagree with this. I believe they are playing much better football with Piatti, Pozuelo and Osorio pulling the strings in the midfield then they ever have before, even during the championship season:drinking:. Our problem is starting a 6 million dollar forward who can no longer run and a defense that without Mavinga in there looks completely lost. Still in the top 3 in the league so all is not bad.

Ultra & Proud
09-21-2020, 10:07 AM
they had 10 days off...why are players always getting injured in training,thank god i dont give a shit about this season play the young guys.
Because whenever there is a break in action, Altidore doesn't keep himself in shape. Most of that is on him as judged by his lockdown "routine" and also I have questioned our overall fitness levels for a couple years now. I see us as the least fit team in MLS by far. Most of our players look 100% gassed by the 60th minute, most before half. You just don't see that when watching other teams.

ag futbol
09-21-2020, 11:20 AM
Plus Osorio only came to TFC when he was 20. Hardly home-grown even if he is considered that. He's just been with TFC a long time since he is now 28.

I think there are also tactical / motivational issues with Vanney. When things are stagnating or going poorly in a game, he has a hard time turning things around. I was feeling huge sense of dread as he was throwing on more defenders tonight.

I had completely erased this from my memory: in the MLS Is Back tournament, TFC played the complete 2nd half up a man against DC but scored no further goals during that time; and TFC was leading 2-0 with 10 minutes left in that game before DC tied it.
My take on Vanney and youth development is 1) he’s more so in the culture of bringing in guys who are physically mature and in their 20’s which is in line with what this league has historically done. 2) His considerations on game day decisions are always about winning that game or succeeding this season. The idea of “maybe this guy is not the best option today but if I get him 500 minutes this season, I get to make him better for next year” is simply not applied with any consistency.

And none of this is necessarily wrong. Vanney sets up in a way that gives us the best chance to win on any given season. But the question is, in today’s MLS, can that still work as a strategy? Will youth development bring success or will clubs that go this route just end up being finishing schools for players that ultimately reach for higher ambitions? Does this potentially allow clubs to be really good at development to the point where you don’t care if you lose the average guy? Do fans accept any / all of this?

It’s really hard to say.