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OgtheDim
09-01-2020, 09:58 PM
Where you once belonged



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMMPFrSPLuM


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Have at It People

NK Toronto
09-01-2020, 10:14 PM
Are we ever going to score again from regular play?

OgtheDim
09-02-2020, 06:35 AM
Last night, this game went from a "well if we draw, we are through" to an absolute must win & preferably by a lot.

We are currently not favourites to win this thing. In essence, we lost our home field advantage last night & are now 2 dropped points away from having to rely upon Vancouver to get us a result.

Win both games, we are through. Beat Vancouver & only draw in Montreal & we are relying upon Vancouver to stop Montreal from beating us on a known goal difference.


If this lot goes to Vancouver & doesn't put the hammer down, and I mean win and try to do it with lots of goals, then we are mentally not hard enough.

JayMolly
09-04-2020, 09:50 AM
Bradely out with knee injury.
Is this the same injury he had before?
J&M

MightyDM
09-04-2020, 10:58 AM
Bradely out with knee injury.
Is this the same injury he had before?
J&M

No. he had a foot or ankle injury. He was lucky not to break his leg - look at the videos of that tackle - it bends.

magmadragon
09-05-2020, 01:56 PM
You know it was serious when ironman Micheal Bradley walked off the field into the locker room. That speaks volumes.

OgtheDim
09-05-2020, 03:06 PM
The media interview with Vanney Thursday had few nuggets beyond the injury except - the players hashed out the penalty kick decision as a team and are moving on - its unlikely to be tried again.

Team got their yesterday at 1 pm local time & won't return until tomorrow - prefer to sleep locally rather then try on a plane.

Red CB Toronto
09-05-2020, 03:45 PM
The media interview with Vanney Thursday had few nuggets beyond the injury except - the players hashed out the penalty kick decision as a team and are moving on - its unlikely to be tried again.

Team got their yesterday at 1 pm local time & won't return until tomorrow - prefer to sleep locally rather then try on a plane.

Smart choice, taking the red eye could throw things off, especially with the short turnaround, playing at Montreal Wednesday night.

MikeForbes
09-05-2020, 06:54 PM
Hey, it's game night!

OgtheDim
09-05-2020, 07:37 PM
Raptors will take most of the oxygen from sports for the next hour or so but gonna be here to moan & cheer and hope :scarf:

Bushmancan
09-05-2020, 07:45 PM
Raptors will take most of the oxygen from sports for the next hour or so but gonna be here to moan & cheer and hope :scarf:


Hear, Hear!!


:scarf:

COYRs

MikeForbes
09-05-2020, 08:05 PM
No Mavinga or Altidore tonight. Fraser starts in Bradley's place.

MikeForbes
09-05-2020, 08:07 PM
Should be stated that both Mavinga and Altidore are on the bench.

Red CB Toronto
09-05-2020, 08:14 PM
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OgtheDim
09-05-2020, 08:18 PM
Ciman against Cavallini I'm OK with - him & Gonzalez against any speed and we are in trouble

MikeForbes
09-05-2020, 08:26 PM
Will Fraser be a direct replacement for Bradley or will Delgado work with him in a double pivot? Everyone knows Fraser is a wonderful passer of the ball, my concern with Liam is his mobility.

ag futbol
09-05-2020, 08:36 PM
Ciman against Cavallini I'm OK with - him & Gonzalez against any speed and we are in trouble
Cavalinni is actually quite fast, his acceleration is not explosive per say but his top speed is really up there. 36.4km which put him near tops of Liga MX when he was there.

That said, I don’t think it will really factor as Whitecaps have nobody providing service to catch Cavalinni on a run. So it’s going to be long balls over the top which they should be able to deal with if the line isn’t too aggressive and westberg sweeps everything up.

OgtheDim
09-05-2020, 08:39 PM
Caps playing a diamond which will be narrow - midfield battle with WB's battling it out for width

MikeForbes
09-05-2020, 08:54 PM
That Bell logo in the center spot of the pitch is gonna drive me nuts.

ag futbol
09-05-2020, 08:56 PM
This logo on the centre circle thing is gross. Thumbs down.

benito
09-05-2020, 08:56 PM
That Bell logo in the center spot of the pitch is gonna drive me nuts.

it’s horrible. It appears off now. Let’s hope it stays off.

Mark TFC
09-05-2020, 08:57 PM
Anyone with a stream? Would be incredibly helpful. Thanks.

Red CB Toronto
09-05-2020, 08:57 PM
That Bell logo in the center spot of the pitch is gonna drive me nuts.

Thank god it was only a temporary thing it appears.

OgtheDim
09-05-2020, 08:59 PM
That Bell logo in the center spot of the pitch is gonna drive me nuts.

Between that & the canned crowd noise...:facepalm:

Red CB Toronto
09-05-2020, 09:00 PM
Man that was close.

MikeForbes
09-05-2020, 09:06 PM
Look at Delgado out there spraying passes.

ag futbol
09-05-2020, 09:07 PM
Well, at least we’re shooting

MightyDM
09-05-2020, 09:08 PM
Very interesting line up to see how they do. So far passing well, moving. Doing the collapsing press at the loss of possession

MikeForbes
09-05-2020, 09:12 PM
Yikes.

GerMc
09-05-2020, 09:13 PM
Some pretty terrible defending from Ciman there.

SirBobSaget
09-05-2020, 09:13 PM
Toronto fc needs a dp center forward.

Bushmancan
09-05-2020, 09:13 PM
Yikes.

Hate to admit it but that was beautiful... great gross and even better finish. Shoddy marking.

OgtheDim
09-05-2020, 09:14 PM
Ciman is slow & Auro let that ball happen

We are the better team here but the defence without its 2 best CB's just isn't good enough.

benito
09-05-2020, 09:15 PM
Ciman looked lost on the goal.

MightyDM
09-05-2020, 09:15 PM
Good for Cavallini but WTF Ciman? Ball watching totally.

NK Toronto
09-05-2020, 09:16 PM
We officially suck.

OgtheDim
09-05-2020, 09:17 PM
We officially suck.


Nah...you seen Atlanta lately?

Our defence is thin

Yohan
09-05-2020, 09:19 PM
I have a soft spot for that Hasal kid. Even if I wish TFC to score 5 goals on him

ag futbol
09-05-2020, 09:19 PM
My god, did the TSN broadcast crew spend the last 3 hours before kickoff getting stoned on the beach??

It would be great if the ball didn’t disperse every time it passes over the the stands.

Edit: Osirio!!

benito
09-05-2020, 09:20 PM
Nice ball by Poz and nice finish Oso!

NK Toronto
09-05-2020, 09:20 PM
Finally.

Bushmancan
09-05-2020, 09:20 PM
But that was sweeter..... COYRs

MightyDM
09-05-2020, 09:21 PM
We need to score, and more than one, so that Vancouver is “here it goes again”. Otherwise we risk the same thing as v Montréal. All very pretty. But.

SirBobSaget
09-05-2020, 09:21 PM
Osorio delivers at a clutch time now tfc can re-establish dominance

MightyDM
09-05-2020, 09:23 PM
Hahah. My screen froze for about three minutes. I better stop reading the thread; saw Oso had scored here before seeing him score.

benito
09-05-2020, 09:23 PM
Ciman is so slow.

SirBobSaget
09-05-2020, 09:25 PM
Positive for Canada bair has nice pace and decent vision, bad for tfc Ciman has no pace. The only defender with pace is mavinga

NK Toronto
09-05-2020, 09:26 PM
Why is Ciman taking a free kick?

benito
09-05-2020, 09:29 PM
Why is Ciman taking a free kick?

His attempt was terrible but he is capable of a good strike.

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2018/04/21/goal-laurent-ciman-scores-stunning-free-kick-distance

NK Toronto
09-05-2020, 09:31 PM
For those who hate Caldwell I would take him over this Vancouver cheerleader.

benito
09-05-2020, 09:42 PM
Pretty good half with the exception of the van goal. Really nice save on that piatti shot

NK Toronto
09-05-2020, 09:47 PM
[QUOTE=SirBobSaget;1922114]Toronto fc needs a dp center forward.[/QUOT

The last striker to score for TFC was Mullins vs NYC. That was 4.5 games ago.

SirBobSaget
09-05-2020, 09:48 PM
Whitecaps only hope is to counter attack, the tfc deep defenders are so slow currently with Gonzalez ciman and Fraser. If there was pace back there whitecaps would be completely toothless. Problem is there’s no one in the bench to address this

SirBobSaget
09-05-2020, 09:53 PM
[QUOTE=SirBobSaget;1922114]Toronto fc needs a dp center forward.[/QUOT

The last striker to score for TFC was Mullins vs NYC. That was 4.5 games ago.
How many millions has Altidore “earned” since his last goal. Not targeted at you nik just wondering out loud. And yes I think resigning Jozy was a terrible decision. And yes hope to eat crow and have Jozy sub in and score 2, but how likely is that?

NK Toronto
09-05-2020, 09:57 PM
Unfortunately we are paying Jozy for past performance

PizzaEatingYeti
09-05-2020, 09:58 PM
[QUOTE=NK Toronto;1922136]
How many millions has Altidore “earned” since his last goal. Not targeted at you nik just wondering out loud. And yes I think resigning Jozy was a terrible decision. And yes hope to eat crow and have Jozy sub in and score 2, but how likely is that?

It may go down as one of the worst decisions in TFC's history.
You can't pay a man 2 years millions for what he's done in the past for the team.
Something like that never happens in elite leagues, an in a capped league with DP rules like MLS is even a lot worse.

MightyDM
09-05-2020, 09:58 PM
For those who hate Caldwell I would take him over this Vancouver cheerleader.

Totally agreed

MightyDM
09-05-2020, 09:59 PM
Pretty good half with the exception of the van goal. Really nice save on that piatti shot

Yes. Superb shot by Piatti

MightyDM
09-05-2020, 10:02 PM
Unfortunately we are paying Jozy for past performancejozy is still worth every penny. When he is on the pitch.

MikeForbes
09-05-2020, 10:02 PM
The goal is coming.

MikeForbes
09-05-2020, 10:04 PM
Piatti can absolutely destroy a ball.

MightyDM
09-05-2020, 10:05 PM
Piatti. Holy shit. What a left foot

PaceyWinger
09-05-2020, 10:05 PM
Piatti wow. so close.

NK Toronto
09-05-2020, 10:06 PM
Re-signing Jozy was a panic move after losing Seba and VV. This one is on Manning. The sad thing is we have wasted Poz's best years by not having a top striker for him to play with.

Bushmancan
09-05-2020, 10:07 PM
We need more than 2 strikers...why the Achara loss is so big. Akinola looks out of sync, I hope he can turn it around but I think it is time for Jozy. Wondering if he was being rested for the next Montreal game.

Need to add in the window.

OgtheDim
09-05-2020, 10:07 PM
Offence sure is pretty to watch but the shooting is dire

MightyDM
09-05-2020, 10:08 PM
Oso is playing a very tidy game. The supporters who were touting him as an AM in the other thread have lots of evidence tonight.

SirBobSaget
09-05-2020, 10:08 PM
jozy is still worth every penny. When he is on the pitch.

And in game shape and motivated which is 0% of this season. Look at the ambition of piatti new to the league goes all out.

MikeForbes
09-05-2020, 10:08 PM
Okay. That was a beauty.

ag futbol
09-05-2020, 10:09 PM
My god that is unfair. They really have no business being in this game.

That said, we really need to step on it and win this one. I would sub Akinola, not really his day

PaceyWinger
09-05-2020, 10:09 PM
We need more than 2 strikers...why the Achara loss is so big. Akinola looks out of sync, I hope he can turn it around but I think it is time for Jozy. Wondering if he was being rested for the next Montreal game.

Need to add in the window.
I think they may add but pretty tough to be on Akinola in his first game back after how good he was in his previous matches.

NK Toronto
09-05-2020, 10:10 PM
This season can't end soon enough.

Thomas
09-05-2020, 10:10 PM
I like what I am seeing from Piatti.


Piatti can absolutely destroy a ball.

Yohan
09-05-2020, 10:11 PM
My god that is unfair. They really have no business being in this game.

That said, we really need to step on it and win this one. I would sub Akinola, not really his day
well, there's nothing fair about soccer lol

ag futbol
09-05-2020, 10:11 PM
This game need the Shaff

OgtheDim
09-05-2020, 10:11 PM
Wonder shot for us off the post

Wonder shot for them inside the net

Bushmancan
09-05-2020, 10:12 PM
This game need the Shaff

Yeah, someone to add some energy

NK Toronto
09-05-2020, 10:12 PM
Is the play by play guy a member of the Whitecaps staff?

MikeForbes
09-05-2020, 10:13 PM
Time for Jozy to come on and earn some of that salary.

MightyDM
09-05-2020, 10:14 PM
Is the play by play guy a member of the Whitecaps staff?

Yes. That’s what it’s like on the west coast

MikeForbes
09-05-2020, 10:15 PM
Interesting move.

OgtheDim
09-05-2020, 10:15 PM
So many flubbed shots the last couple of games...swing and a miss stuff

Bushmancan
09-05-2020, 10:15 PM
Back 2 Back Hot goalies. Diop played great last week as well.

PaceyWinger
09-05-2020, 10:17 PM
Back 2 Back Hot goalies. Diop played great last week as well.

ya but keep shooting. dont look for the perfect play every time.

NK Toronto
09-05-2020, 10:19 PM
Every time Fraser is given a chance he never shows anything.

MikeForbes
09-05-2020, 10:20 PM
Every time Fraser is given a chance he never shows anything.

He was alright. You can see why he hasn't taken anyone's job yet though.

benito
09-05-2020, 10:22 PM
Yesssssss! Great cross and finish!

Bushmancan
09-05-2020, 10:22 PM
Now that was a great cross...

MikeForbes
09-05-2020, 10:23 PM
A Pozuelo header! Not what I expected, but still very welcome! Great delivery.

MightyDM
09-05-2020, 10:23 PM
Let’s go for 5

ag futbol
09-05-2020, 10:23 PM
He was alright. You can see why he hasn't taken anyone's job yet though.
The passing is good. He is more positive and incisive with his passing than most.

But the defensive work is not great and that’s just as important in his role. They need to get that kid working with a trainer to increase his pace / work rate. And otherwise he just leaves the impression of needing seasoning.

PaceyWinger
09-05-2020, 10:24 PM
Beautiful ball by Piatti. Wow. Keep coming.

MikeForbes
09-05-2020, 10:25 PM
Delgado playing as the DM now.

OgtheDim
09-05-2020, 10:26 PM
That goal comes from having 2 big guys also up front. There's a reason why Wondo scored so many goals when San Jose was playing the bash bros up front

Yohan
09-05-2020, 10:26 PM
The passing is good. He is more positive and incisive with his passing than most.

But the defensive work is not great and that’s just as important in his role. They need to get that kid working with a trainer to increase his pace / work rate. And otherwise he just leaves the impression of needing seasoning.
Fraser is about frustrating as Kyle Bekker was for me. Loads of potential, just can't put it all together yet

MikeForbes
09-05-2020, 10:27 PM
Ciman is so reckless.

MikeForbes
09-05-2020, 10:28 PM
Uggggh.

PaceyWinger
09-05-2020, 10:29 PM
Fraser is about frustrating as Kyle Bekker was for me. Loads of potential, just can't put it all together yet

Give him some time though. As a player you cant always make your impression in one game. Basically thats all he ever gets. If he got 3 games in a row it would be a record.

NK Toronto
09-05-2020, 10:30 PM
10 days ago we were laughing at the Whitecaps. No one is laughing now.

gracos
09-05-2020, 10:30 PM
anyone in favour of using the transfer market yet?? this is not good, i hope something changes before too long, as we have been chasing this game for the majority

OgtheDim
09-05-2020, 10:31 PM
Really? That is farcical midfield defending to leave 2 guys open in the box there.

MikeForbes
09-05-2020, 10:31 PM
anyone in favour of using the transfer market yet?? this is not good, i hope something changes before too long, as we have been chasing this game for the majority

Do we have the cap room to do anything in the transfer market?

stevep
09-05-2020, 10:32 PM
Ciman is directly responsible for all 3 Vancouver goals

NK Toronto
09-05-2020, 10:32 PM
Poz doesn't even look for Jozy anymore

ag futbol
09-05-2020, 10:33 PM
I feel like Vaney’s subs are closer to a predetermined list than things that best suit the game . But anyway...

gracos
09-05-2020, 10:33 PM
Do we have the cap room to do anything in the transfer market?

there are players who can be traded to free up space, i just dont get the mentality of being content with not always wanting to improve

SirBobSaget
09-05-2020, 10:33 PM
jozy is still worth every penny. When he is on the pitch.


I think they may add but pretty tough to be on Akinola in his first game back after how good he was in his previous matches.

Man Jozy has been killing it totally motivated

leafsman
09-05-2020, 10:35 PM
Sucks to dominate the game and lose because your backup cb can't play anymore

OgtheDim
09-05-2020, 10:36 PM
They've had 3 chances & 3 goals.

This result isn't on any striker.

MikeForbes
09-05-2020, 10:37 PM
there are players who can be traded to free up space, i just dont get the mentality of being content with not always wanting to improve

I agree with always wanting to improve, MLS rules make it hard to do that though.

PaceyWinger
09-05-2020, 10:37 PM
Man Jozy has been killing it totally motivated

ok...

ag futbol
09-05-2020, 10:38 PM
Jesus, that should have been 4

Bushmancan
09-05-2020, 10:38 PM
Ok... another set play. Lets see.

Edit - WIDE OPEN

NK Toronto
09-05-2020, 10:38 PM
The signs that all was not well were evident in Orlando however after beating Van and Mtl, neither of which is a good squad, we began thinking we were a top team. The reality is we are not.

SoccMan2
09-05-2020, 10:39 PM
Ciman is directly responsible for all 3 Vancouver goals
I love it how everyone on here loves to rag on Zavaletta but seem to let Ciman off the hook . Ciman has cost TFC so many goals I’ve lost count, get this piece of crap off the bloody field , his is crap but yet Vanney keeps going with him . I hope he ends up costing Vanney his Job seriously! Incredible waste of space !

MikeForbes
09-05-2020, 10:39 PM
I know a team that is gonna be working on set piece defending this week.

MightyDM
09-05-2020, 10:41 PM
A lot of set play goals Against lately. Lack of practice, but coach Vanney has to sort it

Ultra & Proud
09-05-2020, 10:41 PM
Now we can end the Fraser to start calls. He is not even close to being good enough. If he was from Illinois there'd be a line up to run him out of town.

SirBobSaget
09-05-2020, 10:42 PM
jozy is still worth every penny. When he is on the pitch.


I think they may add but pretty tough to be on Akinola in his first game back after how good he was in his previous matches.


Poz doesn't even look for Jozy anymore


ok...

Aka he has done f all aka shipped another million dollars to him to sit back

PaceyWinger
09-05-2020, 10:42 PM
I dont know but was Gonzalez marking Cavallini on the free kick? That far from goal?

PaceyWinger
09-05-2020, 10:44 PM
Aka he has done f all aka shipped another million dollars to him to sit back

u missed a couple other peoples posts.

MightyDM
09-05-2020, 10:44 PM
The signs that all was not well were evident in Orlando however after beating Van and Mtl, neither of which is a good squad, we began thinking we were a top team. The reality is we are not.

I dunno. We have totally dominated every game and lost on set prices. That should be pretty easy to fix - raises a question about certain positions and also about coaching.

Bushmancan
09-05-2020, 10:45 PM
Harsh but true comment from the commentator, Westberg hasn't had much to do except take the ball out of his net 3 times.

Ultra & Proud
09-05-2020, 10:46 PM
Akinola also indicative that MLS is Back is not the real world.

MightyDM
09-05-2020, 10:47 PM
This does make the Poz penalty even more serious though. Arrogant.

SirBobSaget
09-05-2020, 10:47 PM
jozy is still worth every penny. When he is on the pitch.


I think they may add but pretty tough to be on Akinola in his first game back after how good he was in his previous matches.


Poz doesn't even look for Jozy anymore


u missed a couple other peoples posts.

Whose posts?

MightyDM
09-05-2020, 10:48 PM
Akinola also indicative that MLS is Back is not the real world.

Good point. It wasn’t.

stevep
09-05-2020, 10:50 PM
Lost to the worst team in the league

notthesun
09-05-2020, 10:50 PM
Doesn't matter how badly you outplay your opponent, if you let them get 3 goals on 3 chances you're probably not winning. Deserved loss.

MightyDM
09-05-2020, 10:50 PM
Jozy is a fantastic TFC player. But needs to deliver something this year.

PaceyWinger
09-05-2020, 10:50 PM
Whose posts?

there were a couple on page 2 that may have supported your point but why am i out here doing your job for you

NK Toronto
09-05-2020, 10:51 PM
We just threw away the Cdn Championship, a competition of 3.

Bushmancan
09-05-2020, 10:51 PM
That was brutal to watch.... this will be their test on Wednesday if they have any pride.

SoccMan2
09-05-2020, 10:51 PM
An embarrassment total embarrassment to a team that would have trouble competing in the CPL and giving up 3 goals , it’s time to say goodbye to Vanney. You don’t spend the money you they do to lose to a team on a shoestring budget and concede 3 times to them I’m sorry!

OgtheDim
09-05-2020, 10:51 PM
There's been an issue with this team for years now about not taking the result seriously until there are no chances to keep playing. They seem to assume they can figure it out if there is still a chance.

That's Bradley's mentality but I'm not sure it works. Not enough urgency

MightyDM
09-05-2020, 10:52 PM
Doesn't matter how badly you outplay your opponent, if you let them get 3 goals on 3 chances you're probably not winning. Deserved loss.

Yup. Set pieces. Set pieces!!!

Thomas
09-05-2020, 10:55 PM
Jozy is not worth the money he is being paid. The General is at another level than his replacement.



QUOTE=SoccMan2;1922220]An embarrassment total embarrassment to a team that would have trouble competing in the CPL and giving up 3 goals , it’s time to say goodbye to Vanney. You don’t spend the money you they do to lose to a team on a shoestring budget and concede 3 times to them I’m sorry![/QUOTE]

MightyDM
09-05-2020, 10:55 PM
There's been an issue with this team for years now about not taking the result seriously until there are no chances to keep playing. They seem to assume they can figure it out if there is still a chance.

That's Bradley's mentality but I'm not sure it works. Not enough urgency

I don’t agree with the precise way you have put this - but do agree with the sentiment. They are over confident / arrogant / something. / if Beckham had pulled that penalty stunt, Ferguson would have benched him. Just saying.

ag futbol
09-05-2020, 10:55 PM
Well I don’t know if I pin his on any one player or players as much as I think this team needs a swift kick in the ass.

Piatti and Poz clearly trying to make up for last time out but otherwise not a ton of push from the guys on the field.

I still don’t know what our level is vs the rest of the league but I feel pretty damn confident in saying there should always be points in it against Vancouver. They start Russel Tiebert for god sakes.

Marauder2
09-05-2020, 10:58 PM
I've watched a couple of the last few games, and the mls is back tournament, I'm still not sure what the gameplan is? Seems like it's just poz and piatti passing the ball around outside the box, try to pass our way into the 6 yd box or sometimes we get a cross in to no one. No one driving into the box, no one in the box to cross to, no crosses in behind defenders to cause them problems. It's too slow passing it around so it's easy for the other team to shift accordingly.

We were top of the division after 2 games against Vancouver and 1 vs montreal, points we should be winning, so I didn't think it truly represented our position vs the entire division.

NK Toronto
09-05-2020, 10:59 PM
I dunno. We have totally dominated every game and lost on set prices. That should be pretty easy to fix - raises a question about certain positions and also about coaching.

Good teams find ways to win. What does all the possession matter if we can't finish.

PaceyWinger
09-05-2020, 11:00 PM
Well I don’t know if I pin his on any one player or players as much as I think this team needs a swift kick in the ass.

Piatti and Poz clearly trying to make up for last time out but otherwise not a ton of push from the guys on the field.

I still don’t know what our level is vs the rest of the league but I feel pretty damn confident in saying there should always be points in it against Vancouver. They start Russel Tiebert for god sakes.

we've seen it so many timea now. outplay a team completely but still be on the knife's edge when the game is on the line. Basically its the fact that we always have old, slow defense and barely ever have our 3 DPs on the pitch at the same moment. All the games are different, but over time that is the issue that affects the results.

SirBobSaget
09-05-2020, 11:01 PM
jozy is still worth every penny. When he is on the pitch.


I think they may add but pretty tough to be on Akinola in his first game back after how good he was in his previous matches.


Poz doesn't even look for Jozy anymore


u missed a couple other peoples posts.


there were a couple on page 2 that may have supported your point but why am i out here doing your job for you

I said Jozy isn’t earning his 6.5 million this year, is there something on page 2 showing he is earning it?

Bushmancan
09-05-2020, 11:01 PM
I've watched a couple of the last few games, and the mls is back tournament, I'm still not sure what the gameplan is? Seems like it's just poz and piatti passing the ball around outside the box, try to pass our way into the 6 yd box or sometimes we get a cross in to no one. No one driving into the box, no one in the box to cross to, no crosses in behind defenders to cause them problems. It's too slow passing it around so it's easy for the other team to shift accordingly.

Yep, there is no pace to make teams uncomfortable, they sit and absorb. Now we had two very good saves by Hasal and a post. Still doesn't excuse giving up 3.

PaceyWinger
09-05-2020, 11:07 PM
I said Jozy isn’t earning his 6.5 million this year, is there something on page 2 showing he is earning it?

check page 2 my dude. stop being so lazy. you only have to move your thumb. wait. tell me you checked page 2. thats hilarious. you probably had to check it twice too. oh man. did you catch it? ok no seriously I'm kidding.

but if you're going to quote a post where I'm talking about Akinola, and you're salty about Jozy then I don't feel terrible at sending you back in history for no reason.

magmadragon
09-05-2020, 11:09 PM
Credit to Hasal. The kid had himself a game.

NK Toronto
09-05-2020, 11:09 PM
We have now gone 5 complete games without a goal from one of our strikers. This says it all.

PizzaEatingYeti
09-05-2020, 11:15 PM
Jozy is a fantastic TFC player. But needs to deliver something this year.

Seriously?
Jozy is/was a fantastic TFC player today, this month, this year, last year?
If so, TFC is a team composed from almost all fantastic players (though all the other fantastic players are making a lot less money than Jozy).

OgtheDim
09-05-2020, 11:18 PM
In this system, Piatti & Oso are technically wide strikers in a 4-3-3.

I look at the rest of the league and don't see us being able to control the ball as much as we do against the Impact & Caps. Henry doesn't seem to believe in defensive midfielders and Vancouver hasn't really got 1.

Couple that with most teams having a decent playmaker now, & I'm not sold on us doing well against all but the worst teams.

PaceyWinger
09-05-2020, 11:19 PM
We have now gone 5 complete games without a goal from one of our strikers. This says it all.

really? 2020:
Akinola 5 goals
Lareya 3 goals
Pozuelo 3 goals
Piatti 2 goals
Others: 1 goal

NK Toronto
09-05-2020, 11:26 PM
really? 2020:
Akinola 5 goals
Lareya 3 goals
Pozuelo 3 goals
Piatti 2 goals
Others: 1 goal

Yes really. So I guess you are satisfied with our recent results.

PaceyWinger
09-05-2020, 11:28 PM
In this system, Piatti & Oso are technically wide strikers in a 4-3-3.

I look at the rest of the league and don't see us being able to control the ball as much as we do against the Impact & Caps. Henry doesn't seem to believe in defensive midfielders and Vancouver hasn't really got 1.

Couple that with most teams having a decent playmaker now, & I'm not sold on us doing well against all but the worst teams.
I hate losing.. especially 2 in a row, but we did just almost tie the league record for not losing.. so I feel like we all need to take one step back from the brink. We do fairly well. We're not quite Bayern Munich but at least we aren't as shit as Barca right?

SirBobSaget
09-05-2020, 11:34 PM
jozy is still worth every penny. When he is on the pitch.


I think they may add but pretty tough to be on Akinola in his first game back after how good he was in his previous matches.


Poz doesn't even look for Jozy anymore


u missed a couple other peoples posts.


check page 2 my dude. stop being so lazy. you only have to move your thumb. wait. tell me you checked page 2. thats hilarious. you probably had to check it twice too. oh man. did you catch it? ok no seriously I'm kidding.

but if you're going to quote a post where I'm talking about Akinola, and you're salty about Jozy then I don't feel terrible at sending you back in history for no reason.


I hate losing.. especially 2 in a row, but we did just almost tie the league record for not losing.. so I feel like we all need to take one step back from the brink. We do fairly well. We're not quite Bayern Munich but at least we aren't as shit as Barca right?

Do you realize we pretty much went from guaranteed Canadian champions to outside chance? Do you understand what voyageur cup and concacaf champions League is?

NK Toronto
09-05-2020, 11:36 PM
When your strikers can't score it forces your mids and defenders to play more up the field which exposes you to counters. It changes your tactics. So yes if your striker is not scoring it is a huge problem.

Yohan
09-05-2020, 11:37 PM
5 games in what, 17 days? not enough squad rotation. Vanney has his trusted 16-17 players

Yohan
09-05-2020, 11:38 PM
Do you realize we pretty much went from guaranteed Canadian champions to outside chance? Do you understand what voyageur cup and concacaf champions League is?
something that TFC FO pays lip service to about it's importance? because missing CCL isn't going to get Vanney fired. missing MLS playoffs will

especially during COVID who knows if CCL is going to be actually held next year

NK Toronto
09-05-2020, 11:53 PM
For the record, Jozy has played 7 games for TFC in 2020 including 2 in Orlando. He has not scored this season.

NK Toronto
09-06-2020, 12:10 AM
To each his own but I would rather be upset about a TFC loss then watch the news and be upset about what is happening in the world.

Auzzy
09-06-2020, 12:18 AM
There's been an issue with this team for years now about not taking the result seriously until there are no chances to keep playing. They seem to assume they can figure it out if there is still a chance.

That's Bradley's mentality but I'm not sure it works. Not enough urgency

I totally agree. I remember an article about Bradley, about staying in a Zen state of mind. I think Vanney has a similar mentality. Long term it's great to be calm, to focus on teaching and improving etc. But sometimes when things are going badly, you need some fire -- even just short term to turn things around in a game. It goes hand in hand with often waiting too long with subs. If TFC has certain problems in the first half, there's a good chance you'll keep seeing the same problems, extending right into the 2nd half.

I really wasn't upset during the game. I'm hoping this will be a wake-up call. We weren't as good as our record suggests -- or at least the team has to work much harder to maintain that record. In Piatti, I see real fire both on the defensive and offensive end. Other than him, not so much. People focus on complaining about Altidore, Fraser, Ciman, and a few others. But other than Piatti, I felt most of the players were poor to average. (Delgado was better than he has been recently, with some great one-touch passes etc.)

Sure TFC needs to practice set-piece defending. But mostly they need to practice shooting. From every position, every angle, every situation, including penalties. I hope TFC has a good sports psychologist. Osorio had a great goal today, but there were so many scuffed shots from Oso and the whole team. And why does Pozuelo chip 95% of his shots and passes? The opponents expect it all the time now. Why do they all keep pumping crosses into the box when Ayo (or Altidore later) are surrounded by 3 big guys.

ag futbol
09-06-2020, 06:47 AM
When your strikers can't score it forces your mids and defenders to play more up the field which exposes you to counters. It changes your tactics. So yes if your striker is not scoring it is a huge problem.
Generally agree. Although you can still work your butt off as a striker and help the team. Pressing or winning marginal balls .. goes a long way.

But to be fair, we are not seeing much of that either and you still to put the ball in the net over a longer period to be credible.

PaceyWinger
09-06-2020, 07:19 AM
Calm down whoever you are what nk wrote is true, there has been 0 goals from the forwards last 5 games

that tends to happen when they don't play. also remind me what position Deleon was playing when he subbed on for Mullins v Vancouver 5 games ago?

MightyDM
09-06-2020, 07:32 AM
We have conceded three set piece goals in two games, and a goal on a cross from very poor defending. None of these (except arguably the cross) were really to do with counter attacks or lack of hold up play from the strikers - but all were to do with sloppy play, lack of concentration. It’s a defensive mentality thing, possibly a bit of organization. We look over confident to me.

OgtheDim
09-06-2020, 08:14 AM
I hate losing.. especially 2 in a row, but we did just almost tie the league record for not losing.. so I feel like we all need to take one step back from the brink. We do fairly well. We're not quite Bayern Munich but at least we aren't as shit as Barca right?

A lot of that record was last year and the Orlando tournament. The team themselves didn't really take it seriously at all.

I'm basing my meanderings on looking at other teams - pace is a thing in this league, as is DM & AM capability. I like our passing approach & Poz is a wizard. But our defence is going to leak goals

portu
09-06-2020, 02:42 PM
Didn't get to watch this game so I won't comment on performances aside from the fact that I've liked how we've played since resuming. I will say that Jozy still hasn't scored in 2020.

Oldtimer
09-06-2020, 09:36 PM
Jozy is focused on RSL, not Toronto.
It fits several important things for him. The chance to be a part owner in MLS. A future that goes beyond his playing career. A nice small town to bring up a family in.

Just like Giovinco thinking about Saudi, Jozy is here in body but not in spirit.

MightyDM
09-07-2020, 10:09 PM
Jozy is focused on RSL, not Toronto.
It fits several important things for him. The chance to be a part owner in MLS. A future that goes beyond his playing career. A nice small town to bring up a family in.

Just like Giovinco thinking about Saudi, Jozy is here in body but not in spirit.

I hope you are wrong. But expect that you are right.

Bushmancan
09-08-2020, 07:22 AM
Jozy is focused on RSL, not Toronto.
It fits several important things for him. The chance to be a part owner in MLS. A future that goes beyond his playing career. A nice small town to bring up a family in.

Just like Giovinco thinking about Saudi, Jozy is here in body but not in spirit.

Let's be clear... love Gio, miss him but he chose to leave (story closed)

On Jozy, because he is passionate on something else that he believes in does not mean he is still not focused, effective and most importantly our best option. In both of the losses, we and he had scoring chances... Jozy had numerous chances and he came across two goal keepers playing above their punching weight.

TFC Outshot Mtl & Van 42 to 17
Delivered 75 crossed to 23
60+ possession in both matches

Do I think the final 3rd quality was there, no but we score on any of those chances, people are saying other things.

I think people are right to be angered at the whole team malaise, not just Jozy.

Staying on the attack here, the bigger issue is that there is currently no true depth (substitutes) behind him. Akinola is still learning and without being too harsh Mullins is average at best with what we have seen. At least Ricketts when he came on in the seventieth minute added an energy, he would pressure the ball and run through channels. It is true, it was far better to see Jozy play 90 minutes.

I think the list compiled last week was pretty accurate on what we need and it isn't a complete re-build. This has been a screwed up season and if Jozy goes, I will miss him and I will salute him for all he has done for TFC.... but make no bones about it, there is no current senior football striker depth behind him and Ali cannot sit and do nothing.

WE SHOULD BE SCOUTING RIGHT NOW!!

Ultra & Proud
09-08-2020, 12:45 PM
Delivered 75 crossed to 23
60+ possession in both matches

This is one of the reasons we can't score. We usually control the possession so long and build up so slow that the opposing team can pack the box. Then our answer is to either force a shot that is easily blocked or flail endless crosses in to our 5'9 and below options in the box because Jozy is usually playing too far from goal. When he is close to goal he loses a lot of headers for a tall guy too. We're only effective when we attack with pace but we're not set up to do that obviously.