Regular Season Phase 1 Game 4 - Montreal @ TFC Tuesday Sept 1 8pm Wrap It Up Baby

[OgtheDim]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qkgj_h-FkZk



Have at It People

[MikeForbes]

I want to see a thrashing of these stiffs in the ugly blue jerseys.

[rydermike]

1 point eliminates Vancouver and 3 points guarantees us a minimum of a tie for 1st with Montreal in the Canadian Championship qualifying

[Red CB Toronto]

1 point eliminates Vancouver and 3 points guarantees us a minimum of a tie for 1st with Montreal in the Canadian Championship qualifying

A tie in points would still push the Reds through with the head to head.

[Redpunkfiddle]

A tie in points would still push the Reds through with the head to head.

Tie breakers start with number of wins and don’t include head-to-head.

[Bushmancan]

Tie breakers start with number of wins and don’t include head-to-head.

Whats the 2nd breaker because the only way they could tie us was with both have 4 wins each. Is it Head to Head?

[leafsman]

Here's the tie breakers from the whitecaps website
• Total number of wins
• Goal difference
• Goals scored
• Away goals differential
• Away goals scored
• Home goals differential
• Home goals scored
• Coin toss (if two clubs are tied) or drawing of lots (if three clubs are tied)

[Red CB Toronto]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgjiKBnU8AIk1zE?format=jpg&name=large


Here's the tie breakers from the whitecaps website
• Total number of wins
• Goal difference
• Goals scored
• Away goals differential
• Away goals scored
• Home goals differential
• Home goals scored
• Coin toss (if two clubs are tied) or drawing of lots (if three clubs are tied)

[rydermike]

Forget about tie-breakers. Let's just go 6-0 and grab all 18 points

[OgtheDim]

We want to be up by more then 6 points on Montreal after we play our last game. Do not want to rely upon Vancouver to get a result of any kind against Montreal in those last 2 games.

I expect Montreal to try a high press this game - they will have their full squad available including Tadir & Piette. This game will be tougher in the midfield but their defence is going to be tired with 3 games in a week.

A healthy Jozy going at their defence would be useful.

[RedsYNWA]

We want to be up by more then 6 points on Montreal after we play our last game. Do not want to rely upon Vancouver to get a result of any kind against Montreal in those last 2 games.

I expect Montreal to try a high press this game - they will have their full squad available including Tadir & Piette. This game will be tougher in the midfield but their defence is going to be tired with 3 games in a week.

A healthy Jozy going at their defence would be useful.

Healthy or un interested....the guy has talent but at 6 mil & a DP slot that is used 30% of the time ...I'm ready to say good bye

[BendItLikeGio]

EXACTLY!!!! LETS GO 6-0, and go into the 2nd Phase of the MLS season with a new gap at the top of the Eastern Conference and Supporter Shield


Forget about tie-breakers. Let's just go 6-0 and grab all 18 points

[ag futbol]

I just want the points. Canadian Championship entry to me looks pretty secure.

Things are going to get a lot tougher when this team has to enter the US and effectively play out the rest of the season on the road.

[Joe Kool]

I just want the points.

Agreed. Bank as many points as possible. Love seeing the team at the top of the standings again.

Anyone know how many total games are expected to be played this MLS season? Did they ever announce that? If so I missed it.

[Red CB Toronto]

I just want the points. Canadian Championship entry to me looks pretty secure.

Things are going to get a lot tougher when this team has to enter the US and effectively play out the rest of the season on the road.

I wonder if the Canadian teams are thinking of forgoing going to the US, thus not take the COVID risk that would come with it. Just play a whole number of games between them 3 clubs? In some eyes it may be the better route to take? The big question would be how would the rest of the league think about it?

[Red CB Toronto]

Agreed. Bank as many points as possible. Love seeing the team at the top of the standings again.

Anyone know how many total games are expected to be played this MLS season? Did they ever announce that? If so I missed it.

Phase 2 will be 12 games, thus making it a 23 game season in total.

[OgtheDim]

FWIW

https://twitter.com/MichaelSingh94/status/1300474512295813123

[BendItLikeGio]

Phase 2 is happening with US teams, just final kinks are being straighten out with regards to Home games.


I wonder if the Canadian teams are thinking of forgoing going to the US, thus not take the COVID risk that would come with it. Just play a whole number of games between them 3 clubs? In some eyes it may be the better route to take? The big question would be how would the rest of the league think about it?

[Red CB Toronto]

Phase 2 is happening with US teams, just final kinks are being straighten out with regards to Home games.

So that could mean a road trip to Orlando?

[Joe Kool]

Phase 2 will be 12 games, thus making it a 23 game season in total.
Thanks.

[magmadragon]

FWIW

https://twitter.com/MichaelSingh94/status/1300474512295813123

Seriously, what is it with us and not keeping strikers healthy?

[CBTFC]

Start Ayo and Jozy up top with Pozuelo behind them. Heck why not.

[ag futbol]

Start Ayo and Jozy up top with Pozuelo behind them. Heck why not.
I like it. Although, I would like to see Vanney double down on and make attacking subs more often rather than position the team to defend for the last 20 minutes.

As much at Herdman is a bang-average coach, I think back to the US-Canada game where he played 4-4-2, had Davies and David for 70 minutes then threw on Cavalinni and Hoilett. Their CB’s were completely out of gas and it put the US in position where they either had to waste a sub on defenders when they needed a goal or continually gamble that tired legs could keep up with fresh players. Canada gets insurance goal and it was game over.

When everyone’s healthy, we have enough attacking depth to do this. And to be frank, the backup options in midfield and defence (with the exception of fullback) generally aren’t as good. We should play to our strengths.

[jabbronies]

Start Ayo and Jozy up top with Pozuelo behind them. Heck why not.

what's the over/under on Jozy being injured between now and game time?

[Joe Kool]

Start Ayo and Jozy up top with Pozuelo behind them. Heck why not.

Vanney will play it more safe. I could see them each taking 50% of the minutes since both will not be at game fitness. Worst thing would be for them to over extend themselves in first game back after a while and get injured especially with Mullins out. Too bad we didn’t at least have the Achara option but it is what it is. Looking forward to a good game hopefully with some more shots on net and goals compared to last game.

[Ultra & Proud]

what's the over/under on Jozy being injured between now and game time?
Probably fairly high. Either way I say at best he comes off the bench. Not fair to keep him off his cell phone while working to purchase an opposing team.

[Joe Kool]

Probably fairly high. Either way I say at best he comes off the bench. Not fair to keep him off his cell phone while working to purchase an opposing team.

Hopefully they get water breaks then he can check his phone for updates and not have to wait until half time or the end of the game. LOL

[MikeForbes]

I really think we are seeing the last month or so of Jozy as a TFC player. His participation in this match will be interesting to see.

[MightyDM]

I like it. Although, I would like to see Vanney double down on and make attacking subs more often rather than position the team to defend for the last 20 minutes.

As much at Herdman is a bang-average coach, I think back to the US-Canada game where he played 4-4-2, had Davies and David for 70 minutes then threw on Cavalinni and Hoilett. Their CB’s were completely out of gas and it put the US in position where they either had to waste a sub on defenders when they needed a goal or continually gamble that tired legs could keep up with fresh players. Canada gets insurance goal and it was game over.

When everyone’s healthy, we have enough attacking depth to do this. And to be frank, the backup options in midfield and defence (with the exception of fullback) generally aren’t as good. We should play to our strengths.

Really interesting point, but have to disagree with this one. We have real depth in midfield - Poz, Piatti, Oso, Bradley, Delgado, Fraser, DeLeon are all starting calibre, all have started for us and those not starting can be fresh legs. Plus Laryea can be a wide midfielder, Gallardo exists, and we have two young Canadians who have earned minutes with good play in Florida.

[Ultra & Proud]

I really think we are seeing the last month or so of Jozy as a TFC player. His participation in this match will be interesting to see.
We should really be getting on this trade with RSL. Can't wait until it's final. Once he signals his intent to buy RSL then he should be moved. His head hasn't looked in the game all season and I expect it to get worse if he is working on this. Plus give us some time to find a DP replacement.

[MikeForbes]

Really interesting point, but have to disagree with this one. We have real depth in midfield - Poz, Piatti, Oso, Bradley, Delgado, Fraser, DeLeon are all starting calibre, all have started for us and those not starting can be fresh legs. Plus Laryea can be a wide midfielder, Gallardo exists, and we have two young Canadians who have earned minutes with good play in Florida.

'Gallardo exists' is the nicest thing anyone can say about him right now.

[MikeForbes]

We should really be getting on this trade with RSL. Can't wait until it's final. Once he signals his intent to buy RSL then he should be moved. His head hasn't looked in the game all season and I expect it to get worse if he is working on this. Plus give us some time to find a DP replacement.

TFC should have a list of DP players at the ready since we have been looking for DP's each of the last two years. The big question would be if they would use the new 'young DP' slot in Altidore's spot or if they would go all out and sign a bigger name to win MLS Cup this year. But, this is probably a conversation for the transfer thread.

I say Altidore starts on the bench tonight and plays 25ish minutes.

[Ultra & Proud]

I say Altidore starts on the bench tonight and plays 25ish minutes.
I expect the same.

[Red CB Toronto]

I expect the same.

Ayo starts, Jozy comes on? Putting them out there together, they are too similar type players in my mind.

[Ultra & Proud]

Ayo starts, Jozy comes on? Putting them out there together, they are too similar type players in my mind.
If I had to guess I would say Ayo goes 60-70 minutes (if back to nearly full fitness) and Jozy to walk around for 25 minutes or so.

[613reppingTFC]

If I had to guess I would say Ayo goes 60-70 minutes (if back to nearly full fitness) and Jozy to walk around for 25 minutes or so.

Lol yes exactly this. Let's hope Ayo doesn't hurt himself.

[noxx98]

'Gallardo exists' is the nicest thing anyone can say about him right now.
I actually went back and watched some Youtube highlights of Gallardo from his time in Venezuela yesterday. I think there's still something there. His dribbling left a lot to be desired, but there's still something to like in his speed and ability to put in a cross or a good shot. I still have hope, but I think it would be great for him to get run with the team's stars at some point.

[OgtheDim]

Akinola ain't starting - Vanney never starts anybody coming just back from injury. I'd be very surprised if its not Jozy starting.

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On another note, Jozy is never remembered until he is back & then everybody loves him. Happens every single time - too often of course.

But people forget how good he actually is.

[Thomas]

It pains me a bit to say this, but I agree. I will never forget the big moments he had with us. He is also made of glass and ain't getting any younger. We should be able to pick up someone that can contribute in a significant way for years to come.


We should really be getting on this trade with RSL. Can't wait until it's final. Once he signals his intent to buy RSL then he should be moved. His head hasn't looked in the game all season and I expect it to get worse if he is working on this. Plus give us some time to find a DP replacement.

[Lil'John]

Piette is back, so I doubt Vanney weakens the midfield.

[MikeForbes]

Jozy is starting tonight.

[OgtheDim]

Strongest lineup available - trying to remember when we last had our best 11 on the pitch.

[James17930]

Usually they post the lineups on twitter, but I don't see it ...where are you guys seeing it?

[OgtheDim]

Twitter

[James17930]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eg3Ys5uWsAAA8k1?format=jpg&name=large

[MikeForbes]

Would be nice to get a 3-0 lead and let Nelson and Okello get some minutes.

[andyboy]

Any streams would be much appreciated!

[OgtheDim]

This game just feels like it is the championship match decider.

Montreal is going to give its all, with its best available lineup, playing the way Henri wants them to play

Against our best lineup

Playoff vibes

[MikeForbes]

Should be a much more exciting game tonight. Friday night was kind of a snoozer.

[alex andrew]

hey, thank you redpatchboys, put a smile on my face, got the email with happy birthday just before the game

yes, shoulda, coulda, woulda..but ! thierry henry can't have all the bad luck in the coaching world forever...

go tfc !

[gracos]

something small to nitpick before game but why is the "F" out at BMO in BMO Field sign, hope they do the proper maintenance

[MikeForbes]

hey, thank you redpatchboys, put a smile on my face, got the email with happy birthday just before the game

yes, shoulda, coulda, woulda..but ! thierry henry can't have all the bad luck in the coaching world forever...

go tfc !

Happy birthday, sir!

[alex andrew]

thank you !

would be a very nice present, eh ?

oh when the reds...

[MikeForbes]

Jozy is looking real swole. He definitely hasn't been missing arm day on his off days.

[jloome]

LOL at the Montreal press. Good tactics, thierry

[MikeForbes]

Well worked. Not gonna blame anyone on that. Let's get it back.

[jloome]

Man, I’ve been defending Jozy for years now. But his work rate is total shit now.

[MikeForbes]

Man, I’ve been defending Jozy for years now. But his work rate is total shit now.

I wonder if he is carrying around too much muscle mass now.

[jloome]

I wonder if he is carrying around too much muscle mass now.
That’s always been a criticism. He actually slim down a Couple of seasons Ago after his long history of muscle injuries, but he’s right back up to brick wall status. I think thereks something to that. He’s never stuck me as good at managing it.

[Bushmancan]

Less criticism and more of an observation. Piatti played most of his career as a LW, gallardo is a natural RW. We have shaff and endoh as subs... or endoh and gallardo back up. Use Osorio, Delgado and Bradley as midfielders. Oso looks out of place as a LM but looked stellar when Michael Bradley was out earlier in the year. Thoughts



COYRs

[Bushmancan]

Marky just can’t hit the net....love him though. From Caldwell, “Not his strong point, long shots”.

[MikeForbes]

Auro is a stud. I don't think we give him enough credit.

[Bushmancan]

Auro is a stud. I don't think we give him enough credit.

Agreed

[Auzzy]

Why is it SO hard for Osorio (and a few others) to put a good shot on net?

LOL drinking game, “US international” Marky Delgado according to Caldwell. I mean, Marky had a cup of coffee once or twice...

[Inklink]

What does Delgado do?

[MikeForbes]

Classic Mavinga last ditch defending.

[Bushmancan]

What does Delgado do?

I thought Oso was playing LM is Delgado playing that?

[jloome]

What does Delgado do?
Good link up player. Does most things well except shoot.

[MikeForbes]

Osorio is wasted at LM. I was so impressed by him as a CDM.

[NK Toronto]

Is anyone concerned about our inability to score?

[Auzzy]

Lots of guys on TFC not playing too well tonight, apart from a stretch earlier in the game.

[Bushmancan]

Osorio is wasted at LM. I was so impressed by him as a CDM.


100% agree, he needs to play inside

[Yohan]

Why is it SO hard for Osorio (and a few others) to put a good shot on net?

LOL drinking game, “US international” Marky Delgado according to Caldwell. I mean, Marky had a cup of coffee once or twice...
well, 6 caps for USMNT

[jloome]

Is anyone concerned about our inability to score?
Concerned we’re half assing it.

Theyre playing a high press with three at the back, which is normally suicide, as you have no wide cover. We should be throwing Piatti and Auro up the wing constantly.

[OgtheDim]

Two good teams but a lot of "not quite" passes going on.

[RealG-TFC]

100% agree, he needs to play inside

Looks like he switched with Poz

[jloome]

We haven’t adjusted our slow build from the back, which is idiotic. only Bradley seems to have noticed how open they are tot the break.

[portu]

Jozy off for Ayo at the half please

Delgado for Fraser

[MikeForbes]

Gallardo should be given a chance tonight. We need some pace out there.

[alex andrew]

jozy'll do something good

wonder how much costs a jozy goal

[Red CB Toronto]

Reds are not quite clicking tonight, hopefully they make the adjustments at the half and come out strong.

[NK Toronto]

Montreal and especially Vancouver are bottom half of the league clubs and except for game 1 vs Van we have looked mediocre since Fla where we also didn't look good.

[Bushmancan]

Jozy off for Ayo at the half please

Delgado for Fraser

i would agree with Ayo early in the 2nd but Delgado for Endoh, Gallardo or Deleon... need movement and offense on the wing

[Inklink]

What a stop.

[jloome]

Justice for the first one?

[Auzzy]

well, 6 caps for USMNT

Was it that many?! But it’s just funny because they love saying that, unnecessary filler most of the time.

Team attitude looks off tonight, outside of a few like Piatti. Lots of hand wringing, frustration, missed opportunities to press, etc.

[MikeForbes]

I no longer fear penalties with Pozuelo on the team.

[Auzzy]

STFU Caldwell

[jloome]

Arm was around his back at first, so there’s no way it should come back.

[OgtheDim]

At least 3 times, the second chance cross on a corner doesn't happen & our defenders are getting caught.


Love the Theirry cam - he's good for a reaction

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P.S. I hate penalties

[jloome]

That’s ... Fuck.
too clever for our own good.

[MikeForbes]

What the hell happened?

[rydermike]

Pozuelo and Piatti bromance is too much. Just take the penalty not the cute stuff

[portu]

Fun Fact: Jozy still hasn’t scored this season.

Less Fun Fact: Jozy makes 6 million a year (in USD).

[notthesun]

What the fuck was that? How about score the penalty???

[Inklink]

Clear jersey pull, I know Caldwell has to do the "too soft" bullshit but still.

[jloome]

Piatti jumped the gun. fuck.

stupid anyway when Pozuelo basically never misses.

[Red CB Toronto]

that was rather unfortunate.

[OgtheDim]

That was the stupidest thing I've ever seen & Pozuelo should be effin ashamed of himself for even considering it


STOP dinking around like your on a training ground


That was not "Effin Team Effin Works"


It was "I know Effin more then the rest of you so lets try this effin thing"

[benito]

That was ridiculous. If you’re try stuff like that, you better get it right.

[Inklink]

What the fuck was that

What is the ruling there?

[RealG-TFC]

Wait, why didn't it stand? It looks like he timed it ok

[portu]

Jesus fuck, well enough we didn’t deserve the pen anyway

[MikeForbes]

Jesus, guys. Just bang it in. Let Piatti take the damn penalty if you really want to give him a goal.

[rydermike]

Wait, why didn't it stand? It looks like he timed it ok
He entered the Semi circle before Pozo touched it. Have to be outside circle and box. Piatti shouldve been on the right side on the edge of the box if that was the plan.

[gracos]

can we go to a 2 ST formation, i dont think Altidore is doing enough to threaten the gk in net

[Inklink]

Piatti was outside the box when Pozuelo touched it, but inside the semicircle.

[portu]

He entered the Semi circle before Pozo touched it. Have to be outside circle and box
The thing is.. how often is that really called

[benito]

Wait, why didn't it stand? It looks like he timed it ok

Piatti was inside the top circle when poz touched the ball.

[JoesphNdo]

He entered the Semi circle before Pozo touched it. Have to be outside circle and box

Should be retaken if that's the case, no? Never heard of a penalty just rendered null for something like that

No issue with taking the penalty like that, the conversion rate on them has to be nearly 100%

[PaceyWinger]

you could try that.. or you could just shoot the ball and score 80 percent of the time. like up 1 sure. down 1? thats a bit much even if i love how cocky they are.

[ag futbol]

Well I think we are clearly the more dangerous team out there BUT

1) we look vulnerable when pressed and/or on the counter.
2) not a penalty but also a pretty speculative use of a penalty
3) I think Laryea is clearly the starting LB going forward

[Donald Duck]

Sick and tired to listen to Caldwell. Sorry to say but he is the worst TSN commentator. He is not qualify with his job at all
In the MLS Back tournament, he was making jokes to Luke that this will be a high score game so we shouldn't make more than 1 shout out to the medicine staff. Sorry but FUCK OFF show some respect!


Clear jersey pull, I know Caldwell has to do the "too soft" bullshit but still.

[Auzzy]

Dipshits on that penalty...

But just because you hate Altidore, doesn't mean we didn't deserve the penalty. First the guy had his arm on his back, then grabbed the front of his jersey.

[gracos]

do these announcers work with TVA, seems like they are in love with the Impact

[GBV]

Real Madrid tried this in their title-clinching game this year and got a retake.

Does search....

https://www.sportbible.com/football/news-real-madrid-mess-up-penalty-routine-made-famous-by-johan-cruyff-20200716

[OgtheDim]

Impact are playing well - its one of the better MLS games of this season, truth be told.

We are the better attacking side but as Vanney said, we are not making that last pass or taking that shot.

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If we lose this game by 1 or even if we tie it, Pozuelo & Piatti owe us fans an apology. You do not do that sort of stunt against your big rival, down a goal, just before half time in a game where you can put them to the sword.

[JoesphNdo]

Impact are playing well - its one of the better MLS games of this season, truth be told.

We are the better attacking side but as Vanney said, we are not making that last pass or taking that shot.

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If we lose this game by 1 or even if we tie it, Pozuelo & Piatti owe us fans an apology. You do not do that sort of stunt against your big rival, down a goal, just before half time in a game where you can put them to the sword.

Did he owe us an apology when he scored a panenka in the play offs? There is no bad time to take a penalty with an absurdly high probability of scoring. I'd back that penalty to score more often than a regular penalty over a long sample, easily

[Bushmancan]

Dipshits on that penalty...

But just because you hate Altidore, doesn't mean we didn't deserve the penalty. First the guy had his arm on his back, then grabbed the front of his jersey.

We have taken this game too lightly. We are better but when we get cocky we deserve to lose like we did to NYCFC (who played very well and we did not adjust). I think they re-group and turn it on.

All for One

[jloome]

Looks like Vanney has adjusted to spread the field wider

[boozilla]

A questionable foul followed by a wrongly disallowed gimmick PK.
MLS gives the world a chuckle.

[OgtheDim]

Did he owe us an apology when he scored a panenka in the play offs? There is no bad time to take a penalty with an absurdly high probability of scoring. I'd back that penalty to score more often than a regular penalty over a long sample, easily

A Panenka is on him and still a shot on goal & has a much better chance of scoring then that move which requires expert timing

THAT...THAT was cocky, down a goal against our rival when we needed a goal to go into the half with momentum

Instead, we try some move & it doesn't go.

The result

Impact gets their backs up, we are still down & it is a waste of an opportunity

[JoesphNdo]

A Panenka is on him and still a shot on goal & has a much better chance of scoring then that move which requires expert timing

THAT...THAT was cocky, down a goal against our rival when we needed a goal to go into the half with momentum

Instead, we try some move & it doesn't go.

The result

Impact gets their backs up, we are still down & it is a waste of an opportunity

I strongly doubt a panaka has a higher chance of scoring, to miss this penalty requires either fucking up basic technique or getting very very unlucky. I'd go further and say over a long sample this may be the most likely penalty technique to result in a goal possible - assuming the opposition doesn't know what you're doing. If it's good enough for Cryuff or Messi it's maybe not that dumb or are they idiots?

It can't just be player scored so player smart or player missed so player dumb, you have to look at the probability of pulling it off. This was a smarter penalty with more chance of scoring than a regular shot. That it looks dumb when it fails is irrelevant

[MikeForbes]

Bring on Akinola.

[Bushmancan]

Bring on Akinola.

i disagree now, at least not now for Jozy. He is starting to link up. Maybe for Marky and move him to left.

[jloome]

Our positioning around the box right now is just horseshit.

[MikeForbes]

i disagree now, at least not now for Jozy. He is starting to link up. Maybe for Marky and move him to left.

The formation needs to be changed up a bit. Delgado or Osorio for Akinola. Altidore will have to come off soonish though.

[MikeForbes]

Vanney must be browsing the board.

[Bushmancan]

Caldwell wasn’t.

[benito]

The formation needs to be changed up a bit. Delgado or Osorio for Akinola. Altidore will have to come off soonish though.

Good call coach.

[PaceyWinger]

Good call coach.
2nded. nice

[alex andrew]

all we are sayin'...

[jloome]

So...Piette had already lost the ball there and somehow he gets a call for blocking out our player. fucking MLS refs, man

[PaceyWinger]

i just watched that like the zapruder film and i'm fairly certain there was another ball

[jloome]

god we just don’t deserve this one. Work ethic is just shit tonight.

[Bushmancan]

Why don’t we try Gallardo. Their defenders have to be tired

[NK Toronto]

We haven't scored a goal from regular play since the 15th minute mark of game 2 vs. Vancouver, a stretch of over 4 halfs.

[SirBobSaget]

Has Osorio touched the ball in the 2nd half?

[MikeForbes]

Gotta get one of Nelson or Gallardo on. Pace is sorely needed.

[Bushmancan]

Caldwell has to go. Anywhere maybe Montreal.

[gracos]

are we going to look at the transfer market even a smaller signing would help this club, i think our team is getting too comfortable, and decided today to not perform at a good tempo

[MikeForbes]

Has Osorio touched the ball in the 2nd half?

Him and Poz have been way off the mark tonight.

[jloome]

Listening to Caldwell is like listening to a kid’s Dour Scottish Father. All praise for the opposition, barely a positive word about the team he ostensibly works for. I get wanting to be neutral but it’s a bit ridiculous sometimes, the length he goes to to overcompensate for being from Toronto.

[Bushmancan]

Gotta get one of Nelson or Gallardo on. Pace is sorely needed.

Vanney doesn’t trust them. Time for Gallardo to leave ... he isn’t going to get any minutes.

[alex andrew]

so far thierry is better

[jloome]

I think we’ve got one cross right all night, that one not counting.

[jloome]

Jesus, a basic give and go just undressed our Allegedly best defenders.

[MikeForbes]

I think we’ve got one cross right all night, that one not counting.

Which is so frustrating because if Pozuelo was playing as a false 9, they'd be throwing crosses into the box all night.

[SirBobSaget]

Man if Quito had any final 3rd ability wed be in a deep hole.

[PaceyWinger]

so far thierry is better
i dont know about that. one of the 50 chances so far goes in he doesn't look so great. we are at the point where time wasting could see this one out.

[NK Toronto]

Too much was made of the wins against Vancouver, yet the debacle against NYC was quickly forgotten. We are not that good as some posters believe.

[Bushmancan]

Gallardo is now a CB. Love it. (Just joking)

COYRs

[PaceyWinger]

Okwankwo is probably my favorite name on MTL. Fun to say. BROGEEYARD a close 2nd.

[MikeForbes]

Gallardo sighting!

[alex andrew]

they seem to know better what exactly they are doing, they are calm and professional, they came with an agenda

we ....just hope that the home team has to win

[SirBobSaget]

Jozy refusing to fist bump the TFC trainer. Just leave already.

[MikeForbes]

Looks like Morrow is gonna play CB?

[PaceyWinger]

Altidore may be a straight up prick.

[MikeForbes]

Jozy and TFC trainers have always been on great terms though!

[Bushmancan]

They will score... maybe not. So much for my support of Gallardo. LOL

[SirBobSaget]

Jozy and TFC trainers have always been on great terms though!

Whoever re-upped his contract can go to RSL with him.

[alex andrew]

hmph...

[MikeForbes]

Whoever re-upped his contract can go to RSL with him.

They re-upped his contract to please us after Giovinco left. It was the right move at the time, I think. All good things come to an end though.

[SirBobSaget]

17 shots with 4 on target so far.

[gracos]

a small crowd overhyped our team with the streak, our team thought about it too long and we lost this game, this is ridiculous, our team is just not up to task today

[OgtheDim]

A lot of hubris out there tonight

[portu]

They re-upped his contract to please us after Giovinco left. It was the right move at the time, I think. All good things come to an end though.
It was the wrong move and why he got a raise on top the extension is still beyond me.

[Bushmancan]

Luke and Caldwell are raving about impact. They have 38% possession.

[tfcfans]

....and now we go on the road for the last two games with both opponents sitting at home with more rest than us - the definition of a “schedule loss”....and then 12 more road games to end the season....I’m sure this will all end well....

.....At least the Raptors showed up and really established Siakam as a number one option on a Championship team....oh wait....(and the Jays lost too after giving up a HR in the bottom of the eighth).....so ummm Toronto sports is a big dumpster fire tonight....

[benito]

Luke and Caldwell are raving about impact. They have 38% possession.

i don’t think either team played well.

[JoesphNdo]

It was the wrong move and why he got a raise on top the extension is still beyond me.

Agree, it was a terrible move at the time that looks worse now. Appeasing fickle fans (and we all are, including me!) Who would easier he appeased by putting out a winning team was a bad bad use of several million dollars and a DP slot

[alex andrew]

history !

red turns yellow !

[portu]

Anyone have footage of Jozy subbed off?

[gracos]

free up the Altidore spot, either by mutual or trade, hes done, dont even think he would be able to fill a bench role

[MikeForbes]

It was the wrong move and why he got a raise on top the extension is still beyond me.

He has been showing signs of decline, you are right. Him buying and moving to RSL is the best possible way for the team to have a peaceful break up.

[MikeForbes]

#AnnounceSuarez

[gracos]

are we the only team not to use the transfer market, i dont get it we have a few players who need to leave and we can always improve our club, but even head management is content with doing nothing to improve

[PaceyWinger]

at least they dont have to worry about setting a record now! gross match. that penalty is not a good look.

[MikeForbes]

How many minutes has it been since we scored a goal from open play? Atleast 180.

[NK Toronto]

How many minutes has it been since we scored a goal from open play? Atleast 180.

255. Minute 15 vs. Van

[ag futbol]

Well let’s hope that amounts to not much for Bradley. Would be pissed if that caused injury time off.

I would say maybe this loss is an opportunity to get back to work. Beating Vancouver (probably the worst team in MLS) and previously an undermanned Montreal side was nice but all-and-all the team feels a bit untested. Tougher opposition is ahead if we want to get back to MLS Cup.

[OgtheDim]

That is advantage Montreal now.

They have 2 more games against Vancouver (admittedly away) while we have 1.

And they play us at home.


THAT is why I was so mad at the PK move. This whole thing is on a freaking knife edge and they pull THAT?!?! Pah

Onto the next game but somebody has to sit those two down & tell them its not only about their moves.

[NK Toronto]

Yes, we are the Real Madrid of MLS

[Bushmancan]

Agree, it was a terrible move at the time that looks worse now. Appeasing fickle fans (and we all are, including me!) Who would easier he appeased by putting out a winning team was a bad bad use of several million dollars and a DP slot

Remember, we are one of the richest owners. TFC is a rounding error on the Leafs and Raptors budgets. They need the content now more than ever, Leweike proved that a winner is what Toronto craves. They are holding Season ticket holders money. KEEP Spending boys!!!! if Jozy moves on, then bring on more. I for one will always wish him well. Who knows what’s going on behind the scenes.

[SirBobSaget]

Glad to see Piatti sitting after the whistle being pissed off. That the mentality that leads to excelling at the top. He feels the PK screw up. He will be back with a vengeance next game. While Jozy who failed in Spain and England will maybe make it through 70 mins of walking around.

[SirBobSaget]

Remember, we are one of the richest owners. TFC is a rounding error on the Leafs and Raptors budgets. They need the content now more than ever, Leweike proved that a winner is what Toronto craves. They are holding Season ticket holders money. KEEP Spending boys!!!! if Jozy moves on, then bring on more. I for one will always wish him well. Who knows what’s going on behind the scenes.

This is a bad argument, we're making lots of money with divisions a and b so lets allow division c to post losses year after year? No TFC has to stand up for itself. Just because the other 2 have giant viewership and revenues doesn't means they will let TFC bleed cash.

[OgtheDim]

While Jozy who failed in Spain and England will maybe make it through 70 mins of walking around.


This sounds like something somebody from Columbus might say.

Seriously...what the?

Jozy Altidore carried this team through much of 2017 when Seba was off either physically or in his scoring shoes.

He scored THAT goal

The biggest goal in TFC history

Any discussion of his past without recognizing what he did for this team and in Holland is an EPL Yank focused talking point worthy of our biggest haters south of the border - we as TFC supporters have consistently called out yahoos from the US & the UK for that narrowmindedness.

************

He also came closest (baring the PK) to anybody scoring for us in this match. Which is what he does - bother their defence & get into position to score.


Watch a big man play as a central striker for games on end and you can see his quality of play & movement.

Regardless, people saying this loss is on him are looking for an excuse. Has he played enough & well enough to earn his salary? Nope. Is this loss on him? Nope

[SirBobSaget]

last ranting point. How bad is Gallardo? Poz set him up with a neat little pass to run wide in the box all alone. Instead he looped it 20 feet over goal with a first touch.

[OgtheDim]

last ranting point. How bad is Gallardo? Poz set him up with a neat little pass to run wide in the box all alone. Instead he looped it 20 feet over goal with a first touch.

3 minutes after putting one right smack dab on Akinola's head that probably should have gone in

[Smokecell]

This sounds like something somebody from Columbus might say.

Seriously...what the?

Jozy Altidore carried this team through much of 2017 when Seba was off either physically or in his scoring shoes.

He scored THAT goal

The biggest goal in TFC history

Any discussion of his past without recognizing what he did for this team and in Holland is an EPL Yank focused talking point worthy of our biggest haters south of the border - we as TFC supporters have consistently called out yahoos from the US & the UK for that narrowmindedness.

************

He also came closest (baring the PK) to anybody scoring for us in this match. Which is what he does - bother their defence & get into position to score.


Watch a big man play as a central striker for games on end and you can see his quality of play & movement.

Regardless, people saying this loss is on him are looking for an excuse. Has he played enough & well enough to earn his salary? Nope. Is this loss on him? Nope

Well said Og. Couldn’t agree more.

[gracos]

I want an apology from Pozuelo and Piatti for being overly cocky, but i know they dont answer to me, our whole team was getting complacent and eventually it would bite us in the rear, i dont know if we can go far in playoffs if we arent ready to improve our club, how many teams in MLS have not signed a player in this transfer market, it doesnt matter the size of the signing but championship calibre teams are always looking to improve, and i want us to be a championship team year in, year out

[MikeForbes]

255. Minute 15 vs. Van

Yikes. Good thing we get Vancouver again on Saturday.

[69Chevy396]

TFC played this game like nobody was watching......mmmm?

[SirBobSaget]

3 minutes after putting one right smack dab on Akinola's head that probably should have gone in

He made a 1v1 back post cross when he had 20 feet on the nearest defender.

[gracos]

these games are very emotional, when we are day 1ers a majority of us, and to provide this performance tonight, i know there is always next game, just hope next game we perform at a better effort, i feel we are the best team in Canada and we sometimes get complacent all the way from top to bottom

[gracos]

https://www.torontofc.ca/post/2020/09/01/postgame-sound-quentin-westberg-september-1-2020?autoplay=true
(https://www.torontofc.ca/post/2020/09/01/postgame-sound-quentin-westberg-september-1-2020?autoplay=true)https://www.torontofc.ca/post/2020/09/01/postgame-sound-alejandro-pozuelo-september-1-2020?autoplay=true

https://www.torontofc.ca/post/2020/09/01/postgame-sound-greg-vanney-september-1-2020?autoplay=true

[Mikmacdo]

That is advantage Montreal now.

They have 2 more games against Vancouver (admittedly away) while we have 1.

And they play us at home.


THAT is why I was so mad at the PK move. This whole thing is on a freaking knife edge and they pull THAT?!?! Pah

Onto the next game but somebody has to sit those two down & tell them its not only about their moves.
I still think TFC have the slight edge, I expect Vancouver to at least draw one game at home vs Montreal.

[portu]

This sounds like something somebody from Columbus might say.

Seriously...what the?

Jozy Altidore carried this team through much of 2017 when Seba was off either physically or in his scoring shoes.

He scored THAT goal

The biggest goal in TFC history

Any discussion of his past without recognizing what he did for this team and in Holland is an EPL Yank focused talking point worthy of our biggest haters south of the border - we as TFC supporters have consistently called out yahoos from the US & the UK for that narrowmindedness.

************

He also came closest (baring the PK) to anybody scoring for us in this match. Which is what he does - bother their defence & get into position to score.


Watch a big man play as a central striker for games on end and you can see his quality of play & movement.

Regardless, people saying this loss is on him are looking for an excuse. Has he played enough & well enough to earn his salary? Nope. Is this loss on him? Nope
If you think Jozy carried us in 2017, you owe VV an apology. Like a big one.

[CBTFC]

Yeah that's gonna take me a day or so still to process what I watched last night. Should I be angry, disappointed, or just shrug my shoulders and say oh well, look forward to saturday in vancouver?

I think frusturated would be a fair and balanced response for now. Poz is money from the spot, he knows that so why not just go for goal and put us 1-1? I don't get it.

I'm never usually a fan of a coach/manager "tearing paint off the walls" of a dressing room as a way to communicate to players, but in this case I wouldn't mind a bit of that from Vanney. Maybe a little west coast road trip will do the team some good.

[Joe Kool]

Jozy refusing to fist bump the TFC trainer. Just leave already.

Yeah and some in this forum giving him an excuse for missing last game because he was "emotionally invested" in the BLM stuff. My opinion back then was he thinks he is above the club right now. What is their excuse for him this time? The trainer was a white guy though so maybe there is some racism there too if he is so emotionally invested in BLM. I stick by my statements after last game that I don't mind if he moves on. The diving and throwing tantrums last night was annoying too. Be a man.

[ag futbol]

He made a 1v1 back post cross when he had 20 feet on the nearest defender.
I think it’s more than fair to say he hasn’t worked out at this point.

Personal struggles maybe a factor? That said, the track record of playing in Venezuela really just looked like a better athlete playing again a terrible opposition rather than someone who was going to excel at the next level.

Poor job on this one by the front office.

[Bushmancan]

This is a bad argument, we're making lots of money with divisions a and b so lets allow division c to post losses year after year? No TFC has to stand up for itself. Just because the other 2 have giant viewership and revenues doesn't means they will let TFC bleed cash.

Thats not exactly what i was saying, but wasn't far off either. TFC is to make money but the Ownership can invest more into them, than other MLS owners. They have back up, if they lose money for a few years or make investments in the future; with the current ownership having such a large investment and requirement for content, there are other revenues streams for the team. Last point, Rogers and Bell consistently have cross subsidized groups (Sportsnet & TSN etc) for the bigger benefit.

[noimpactinmtl]

This is a bad argument, we're making lots of money with divisions a and b so lets allow division c to post losses year after year? No TFC has to stand up for itself. Just because the other 2 have giant viewership and revenues doesn't means they will let TFC bleed cash.

They’re willing to lose money on TFC because they want people to watch them on TSN and pay the cable fees/streaming. This is what you call a loss leader. They’re willing to stomach a $25 million annual wage bill despite us earning around $3 million depending on gate revenue/sponsors.

[Ultra & Proud]

If you think Jozy carried us in 2017, you owe VV an apology. Like a big one.
If I recall we had some little Italian guy running around too. Can't remember his name.

[SirBobSaget]

Thats not exactly what i was saying, but wasn't far off either. TFC is to make money but the Ownership can invest more into them, than other MLS owners. They have back up, if they lose money for a few years or make investments in the future; with the current ownership having such a large investment and requirement for content, there are other revenues streams for the team. Last point, Rogers and Bell consistently have cross subsidized groups (Sportsnet & TSN etc) for the bigger benefit.

That's fair. They can afford to make high-risk / high-reward investments that smaller ownership groups can't.

[MightyDM]

Yeah that's gonna take me a day or so still to process what I watched last night. Should I be angry, disappointed, or just shrug my shoulders and say oh well, look forward to saturday in vancouver?

I think frusturated would be a fair and balanced response for now. Poz is money from the spot, he knows that so why not just go for goal and put us 1-1? I don't get it.

I'm never usually a fan of a coach/manager "tearing paint off the walls" of a dressing room as a way to communicate to players, but in this case I wouldn't mind a bit of that from Vanney. Maybe a little west coast road trip will do the team some good.

That was my reaction. i wanted Vanney to sit them for the second half. Likely a bit much but at least a hair dryer was deserved.

[Jamaicanadian]

Yeah and some in this forum giving him an excuse for missing last game because he was "emotionally invested" in the BLM stuff. My opinion back then was he thinks he is above the club right now. What is their excuse for him this time? The trainer was a white guy though so maybe there is some racism there too if he is so emotionally invested in BLM. I stick by my statements after last game that I don't mind if he moves on. The diving and throwing tantrums last night was annoying too. Be a man.

What the what.....
Let me get this straight. If one is invested in BLM one is a racist. That's a very silly assertion
Maybe he didn't fist pump the trainer because he was frustrated at the time? Maybe he doesn't like losing and wanted to play the last 10 minutes?
I dont know specifically why he missed the last game so I wont speculate on that. Looks like his coach was onside tho as he started the next one....

[Ultra & Proud]

Yeah and some in this forum giving him an excuse for missing last game because he was "emotionally invested" in the BLM stuff. My opinion back then was he thinks he is above the club right now. What is their excuse for him this time? The trainer was a white guy though so maybe there is some racism there too if he is so emotionally invested in BLM. I stick by my statements after last game that I don't mind if he moves on. The diving and throwing tantrums last night was annoying too. Be a man.

His day off last Friday and his head seemingly not being in the match are probably more to do with the hubub of acquiring RSL Sports than anything to do with BLM or any racism from him. If it looks like he can successfully gather a group to buy it then he will obviously fully check out.

[reggie]

i really dont give a crap about this season,but WTF on that pk should of benched the 2 of them.jozy has to go because he misses half the games and he hardly scores and seem to be dogging it for the last 2 years,should of kept seba and let him go.

[OgtheDim]

If I recall we had some little Italian guy running around too. Can't remember his name.

Seba scored four goals in the first 19 games - people in here were seriously wondering wtf was going on

Jozy 8 and was out for 4 of those due to suspensions & internationals


You all need to go back & look at that season.

[Graeme]

This is quite funny (well, I enjoyed it):
https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2020/09/02/toronto-fc-penalty-blunder-7-questions-alejandro-pozuelo-and-pablo-piatti-sam-jones

[Ultra & Proud]

Seba scored four goals in the first 19 games - people in here were seriously wondering wtf was going on

Jozy 8 and was out for 4 of those due to suspensions & internationals


You all need to go back & look at that season.

But Giovinco ended up with 16 goals in 25 matches. Jozy ended with 15 in 27 matches. You said the 2017 season and over it's full duration Giovinco still had the better numbers even though he surprisingly played in less matches. I find it hard to credit any one player for 2017. That was a group effort. Even Chapman was good.

[OgtheDim]

Vanney post game

Baffled at PK - should just bury it - will be asking questions once back at training

Defence not good enough at times - they got through too many times

Surprised at Red Card rescinded - Bradley sore but not sure if injured

Got to take some chances we had

Wasn't too casual - making mistakes

Jozy got more minutes then Vanney thought he would get - put in some guys to run more channels

As per the usual, watch the video to see
https://www.torontofc.ca/post/2020/09/01/postgame-sound-greg-vanney-september-1-2020?autoplay=true

[PaceyWinger]

i remember the panenka and how thrilled everyone was that Pozuelo had the "audacity" to try something like that. It's how he plays. Every once in a while something doesn't work out and there is the potential to look bad, but that is how you get the brilliant passes etc. I didn't love the timing but I think people make too much of it. We controlled Montreal once again and they managed to squeak out the victory. Play that game 3 more times and we're probably 3-1. We've seen better from TFC but that is Montreal's best.

[MightyDM]

i remember the panenka and how thrilled everyone was that Pozuelo had the "audacity" to try something like that. It's how he plays. Every once in a while something doesn't work out and there is the potential to look bad, but that is how you get the brilliant passes etc. I didn't love the timing but I think people make too much of it. We controlled Montreal once again and they managed to squeak out the victory. Play that game 3 more times and we're probably 3-1. We've seen better from TFC but that is Montreal's best.

Sorry but at 0-0 maybe maybe you have an argument. Down 1-0 at home, last kick before halftime, win the game and you are essentially the Canadian Champions - no no no. Arrogant misguided and just plain dumb.

I hope Jozy takes the next penalty for this team. Poz should lose his spot.

The question for any manager should be, what would Alex Ferguson do? And that answer is clear.

[PaceyWinger]

Sorry but at 0-0 maybe maybe you have an argument. Down 1-0 at home, last kick before halftime, win the game and you are essentially the Canadian Champions - no no no. Arrogant misguided and just plain dumb.

I hope Jozy takes the next penalty for this team. Poz should lose his spot.

The question for any manager should be, what would Alex Ferguson do? And that answer is clear.

ok renounce the panenka then. if that doesn't go in how butthurt would alex ferguson be. my expectation is that by the end of the 6 games against Canada that penalty doesn't matter in the least.

[OgtheDim]

ok renounce the panenka then. if that doesn't go in how butthurt would alex ferguson be. my expectation is that by the end of the 6 games against Canada that penalty doesn't matter in the least.

In order for it not to matter, we have to win the next 2 games

or

rely upon Vancouver to get a result against the Impact

THAT's why it matters



We even tie that game and we only need the win against Vancouver.

[DinamoTFC]

i remember the panenka and how thrilled everyone was that Pozuelo had the "audacity" to try something like that. It's how he plays. Every once in a while something doesn't work out and there is the potential to look bad, but that is how you get the brilliant passes etc. I didn't love the timing but I think people make too much of it. We controlled Montreal once again and they managed to squeak out the victory. Play that game 3 more times and we're probably 3-1. We've seen better from TFC but that is Montreal's best.

I agree. I like that he has the balls to attempt this stuff. I dont mind it at all. He just decided to try it at a dumb moment. When you're up or even tied you attempt it, but not when you're down, right before halftime and can change the momentum, and not when a league record is on the plate.

[Joe Kool]

What the what.....
Let me get this straight. If one is invested in BLM one is a racist. That's a very silly assertion.

Even though BLM has prompted a lot of racist anti-white sentiment out there I am definitely not saying anyone who is invested in BLM is a racist so don't put words in my mouth please. I am just saying if he is so "invested" maybe that had something to do with it. Likely not but you never know. He was whiney on the field so why not be whiney to the trainer too. It was more a jab at the guys making excuses for him in the other thread.

[MightyDM]

I agree. I like that he has the balls to attempt this stuff. I dont mind it at all. He just decided to try it at a dumb moment. When you're up or even tied you attempt it, but not when you're down, right before halftime and can change the momentum, and not when a league record is on the plate.

Exactly. A very bad decison and he should be getting a rocket from the coach.

[ag futbol]

Sorry but at 0-0 maybe maybe you have an argument. Down 1-0 at home, last kick before halftime, win the game and you are essentially the Canadian Champions - no no no. Arrogant misguided and just plain dumb.

I hope Jozy takes the next penalty for this team. Poz should lose his spot.

The question for any manager should be, what would Alex Ferguson do? And that answer is clear.
Yeah it’s not the smart money move, for sure. My expectation is, if you go there, it damn well better go in.

Anyway, I’m just going to sit back on this game. It was our first loss of the regular season (as odd as that sounds).

But I’m still waiting for this team to come up against a bigger challenge to see how it really does. Really hard to assess how good we are this season.

[MightyDM]

Yeah it’s not the smart money move, for sure. My expectation is, if you go there, it damn well better go in.

Anyway, I’m just going to sit back on this game. It was our first loss of the regular season (as odd as that sounds).

But I’m still waiting for this team to come up against a bigger challenge to see how it really does. Really hard to assess how good we are this season.

yup.

[Jamaicanadian]

Even though BLM has prompted a lot of racist anti-white sentiment out there I am definitely not saying anyone who is invested in BLM is a racist so don't put words in my mouth please. I am just saying if he is so "invested" maybe that had something to do with it. Likely not but you never know. He was whiney on the field so why not be whiney to the trainer too. It was more a jab at the guys making excuses for him in the other thread.



These are the words from your post. I did not twist anything...This comment is just plain stupid..
The trainer was a white guy though so maybe there is some racism there too if he is so emotionally invested in BLM.

[Joe Kool]

These are the words from your post. I did not twist anything...This comment is just plain stupid..
The trainer was a white guy though so maybe there is some racism there too if he is so emotionally invested in BLM.





You said “If one is invested in BLM one is a racist.” and that was you trying to get what I was saying straight. You got it wrong and tried to imply that I said that everyone invested in BLM is a racist which I didn’t say. If you can’t comprehend that I can’t help you. Between the two of us I am not the one with the stupid comment. Can’t say the same for both of yours.

[Ultra & Proud]

This is another one of those matches where I have no idea what to expect.

I do expect us to carry a lot of pointless possession and lump in a ton of hopeless crosses but other than our traditional game plan I am lost.

[Ultra & Proud]

We'll agree to disagree on what a stupid comment is then - "Even though BLM has prompted a lot of racist anti-white sentiment out there".
Their leadership has enough of their own baggage to substantiate the claims against them.

https://newspress.com/blm-l-a-leader-and-anti-semitism/

But the original reason it was brought up was because of Jozy's behaviour to our trainer and that wasn't a racist thing. If you were shitting the bed as hard as Jozy has been out there for the past few months you'd be mad too every time you walked off the pitch. And he should be because it's not good enough.

[Ben - D.O.W.]

Their leadership has enough of their own baggage to substantiate the claims against them.

https://newspress.com/blm-l-a-leader-and-anti-semitism/

But the original reason it was brought up was because of Jozy's behaviour to our trainer and that wasn't a racist thing. If you were shitting the bed as hard as Jozy has been out there for the past few months you'd be mad too every time you walked off the pitch. And he should be because it's not good enough.

I'd actually deleted my comment (not in time clearly) because I don't have the time/energy today to get into it about BLM again.

On Jozy we can agree. I've always been a fan of his, but this year he looks disinterested the times he's actually on the pitch, and his production (or complete lack of it) has been so disappointing. I've always loved his fire but I think it's clearly time to move on from him, and I hate saying that.

[Ultra & Proud]

I'd actually deleted my comment (not in time clearly) because I don't have the time/energy today to get into it about BLM again.

On Jozy we can agree. I've always been a fan of his, but this year he looks disinterested the times he's actually on the pitch, and his production (or complete lack of it) has been so disappointing. I've always loved his fire but I think it's clearly time to move on from him, and I hate saying that.
At this point, Jozy's mind is in Sandy, Utah and his body is in the infirmary.

[ag futbol]

So let’s keep in mind Altidore has done this before. That is, going on extended periods of injury and/or drought then suddenly fill up the net with goals.

I was never fully in favour of the extension (thought it was lazy / convenient of the front office to do it) but let’s hold out some hope he turns it on again.

I doubt we make any moves for the foreseeable future so we need him to play well

[Ultra & Proud]

So let’s keep in mind Altidore has done this before. That is, going on extended periods of injury and/or drought then suddenly fill up the net with goals.

Those times were after one of his many trips to the injured list though. This time it's that plus the RSL thing.

Might be me but this one looks/feels/seems different.

[jabbronies]

So let’s keep in mind Altidore has done this before. That is, going on extended periods of injury and/or drought then suddenly fill up the net with goals.

I was never fully in favour of the extension (thought it was lazy / convenient of the front office to do it) but let’s hold out some hope he turns it on again.

I doubt we make any moves for the foreseeable future so we need him to play well

2016 Altidore suffered from this same thing. He ended the year pretty strong and carried us in the playoffs.

We just need him to show up when we need him the most. I don't consider the last two games to one of those times. 2019 Cup final was though...

[PizzaEatingYeti]

2016 Altidore suffered from this same thing. He ended the year pretty strong and carried us in the playoffs.

We just need him to show up when we need him the most. I don't consider the last two games to one of those times. 2019 Cup final was though...

So for you is OK that a man paid 6 million per year shows up just for 3 games per year...

[jabbronies]

So for you is OK that a man paid 6 million per year shows up just for 3 games per year...

nope - but that is where we are at. So if he is only going to show up for 3 games - I want them to be finals.

[MightyDM]

2016 Altidore suffered from this same thing. He ended the year pretty strong and carried us in the playoffs.

We just need him to show up when we need him the most. I don't consider the last two games to one of those times. 2019 Cup final was though...

Vanney brings him on at the half and we win that game.

[jabbronies]

Vanney brings him on at the half and we win that game.

I buy that