MLS iS Back Game 3 - TFC vs NER Tuesday 21 July 9 am - Dreaming of Me Lying with You

[OgtheDim]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPPscelHVhA


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Have at It People

[613reppingTFC]

Q
Auro - Gonzo - Mavinga - Morrow
Bradley - Delgado
Piatti - Poz - Oso
Jozy (Ayo Subbed in at half or 60th)

[PaceyWinger]

Q
Auro - Gonzo - Mavinga - Morrow
Bradley - Delgado
Piatti - Poz - Oso
Jozy (Ayo Subbed in at half or 60th)

If Morrow is dealing with Tendanitis he may be done for a bit so we may see Lareya again. I also think the pressure is off for Jozy. If there is any chance he isn't 100% healthy we probably see him sit out again. Also Ayo has definitely earned another start imo. I wouldnt be surprised at a shorter day for Bradley or Pozuelo (whether that is via sub or by starting on the bench). Bradley has looked fine, but is coming off of a surgery and Pozuelo was hobbling around for the last 5 mins or so. If Oso is ready then I especially think this.

[Graeme]

I'd like to see Altidore & Akinola up top together for a bit at some point, although it may be crowded up there...

[Joe Kool]

I'd like to see Altidore & Akinola up top together for a bit at some point, although it may be crowded up there...

To me they seem like a similar type of player so would be more of one subbing for the other instead of playing together but who knows. Jozy is the DP so as great as Ayo is doing at the moment I can't see us having a DP ride the bench if healthy and able to play otherwise if that is the case time to let the DP go and pick up another DP that plays a role we can use better....and I am not suggesting in any way that Ayo having two great games in a row in this pre-season type of tourney is any kind of grounds to let Jozy go like some others in the MLS world are suggesting. Sample size is too small for Ayo but trending in a good way. Jozy is still a top striker when healthy.

[OgtheDim]

4.5 days between games in theory is enough rest to allow them to start the same squad but I'd like to see them give Bradley some time off and see how Fraser & Delgado do at the base of the 4-2-3-1.

I suspect Endoh will start & Osorio replace him or Piatti eventually.

The Auro/Piatti/Poz trio is too good to give up on right now.

[Joe Kool]

New England will be the best team we face out of the 3 teams I think so Vanney will want to be careful how many changes we make as continuity is good when building up teams at the start of the season. DC and New England play tonight so will see how New England makes it out of that game. For all we know they could have red cards or injuries to deal with from tonight coming into our game next week.

[Defoe]

I'd like to see Altidore & Akinola up top together for a bit at some point, although it may be crowded up there...

Same. It probably only works in a 4-3-3 with Akinola at wing, Altidore CF, Piatti the other winger and Pozuelo, Bradley and Osorio behind. Is it to attack focussed? It might be but those are for sure our best 6 players up front right now and would be fun to watch

[OgtheDim]

New England will be the best team we face out of the 3 teams I think so Vanney will want to be careful how many changes we make as continuity is good when building up teams at the start of the season. DC and New England play tonight so will see how New England makes it out of that game. For all we know they could have red cards or injuries to deal with from tonight coming into our game next week.


Watching NER tonight and they have no pace and play with a DP forward who likes to play off the shoulder & isn't all that fast & Bou who is tricky but again, not a speed merchant. Our intricate midfield play is some of the best in the league right now and should, in theory, be able to get a lot of possession.

[Red CB Toronto]

What a gift DC just got from New England. That was sloppy as hell. Higuain, the super sub comes on in the 69th minute and three minutes later is the benefactor of that Revs give away.

[OgtheDim]

For those wondering about placing and whether winning is worth it

First of all, we finish 1st with a draw based on goals for




The team who tops Group C plays a 3rd place team from either A or B or F (see standings for that here - https://www.mlssoccer.com/mls-is-back-tournament/standings/wild-card ) on July 26 @ 8:30pm

A- Miami or NYC
B - Vancouver or Seattle :boxing: or Chicago - SJE very unlikely
F - Could be any of them as only played 1 game




Currently the 3rd place squads in A & B are below the line of others


The team who finishes 2nd plays A2 - Orlando or Philly on July 25th @ 10:30pm


Before our match

Group A will be settled
Group B will have 1 game left to go between Chicago & Vancouver
Group F has second games tonight so might be a bit clearer but will not be finalised


In essence, there is no guarantee of an easy game but you really want that extra day of rest and the earlier start. Unfortunately, if you win that game against a 3rd place team, you are into the only 10:30 at night quarter final & if you win that, you will get 1 less day of rest then your fellow semi finalist but its 5 days versus 6 so not too bad.


So, yes, we want to win or draw this one.

[Smokecell]

Carles Gil seems to have re-aggravated a preseason injury. That would be a big loss for NER.

[TFC1986]

I say start Ayo again..and if Jozy feels ready, then sub him in. No way he deserves to start. He has the least amount of training sessions (I believe Vanney said he missed 25). And hasn't played competitive.

[PaceyWinger]

I say start Ayo again..and if Jozy feels ready, then sub him in. No way he deserves to start. He has the least amount of training sessions (I believe Vanney said he missed 25). And hasn't played competitive.

I agree. Sub at best at 75 minutes. And Ayo is a striker now. Can he play wing? Probably but what he does well as a striker doesn't translate. I would much rather see one of our actual wingers.

[Defoe]

TFC have a decent sized cushion. They can lose 3-0 to New England and they are still guaranteed a spot in the final 16. If they lose 4-0 they are still likely to go through.

I still want to win for momentum and morale. I’d go a decent side for the first 45 and then get Pozuelo, Bradley, Mavinga, Gonzalez off for the last 45. If our subs can’t keep them game neutral or -1 in goals we don’t deserve to go through. Obviously we need squad rotation

[James17930]

TFC have a decent sized cushion. They can lose 3-0 to New England and they are still guaranteed a spot in the final 16. If they lose 4-0 they are still likely to go through.

I still want to win for momentum and morale. I’d go a decent side for the first 45 and then get Pozuelo, Bradley, Mavinga, Gonzalez off for the last 45. If our subs can’t keep them game neutral or -1 in goals we don’t deserve to go through. Obviously we need squad rotation

Fuck morale – these are regular season points. We need to win.

[Defoe]

Fuck morale – these are regular season points. We need to win.

For sure. The goal has to be to win with squad rotation imo. There’s a lot of soccer left. I don’t want to burn out Chris & Omar

[James17930]

For sure. The goal has to be to win with squad rotation imo. There’s a lot of soccer left. I don’t want to burn out Chris & Omar

True - the thing is that I think NE will probably be the strongest opponent so far. I don't know if we can rotate to heavily.

Maybe just have to make sure to use the 5 subs well.

[Defoe]

True - the thing is that I think NE will probably be the strongest opponent so far. I don't know if we can rotate to heavily.

Maybe just have to make sure to use the 5 subs well.

Yep. We already have our ticket to the next round as long we don’t lose by more then 4 goals or more. I just Prioritize a winning mindset and complete health for the round of 16. I’d try and prioritize rest for Bradley, Mavinga, Gonzalez and Pozuelo at some point in the game So they are somewhat fresh for the round of 16. Just keep a high standard and don’t give an inch no matter the lineup

[General Woolfe]

We really need the defence to step it up a level in this game. Offensively we look great, and still have Altidore in our back pocket, but we can’t go one leaking goals the way we have been. Hopefully it’s just been cobwebs, but the age of Gonzalez and Ciman is a bit of a worry, and the Florida heat isn’t helping them. I’m also not sure if we’ve been running on empty late in the past two games or it’s trying to hold a lead that’s cost us. Either way, I’m looking for a tighter performance over the entire 90 mins tomorrow.

[ag futbol]

Fuck morale – these are regular season points. We need to win.
Can these really be regular season points when two of the teams that were supposed to play were sent home for medical reasons?

[James17930]

Can these really be regular season points when two of the teams that were supposed to play were sent home for medical reasons?

Yes. They will make up those games later.

[ensco]

Fuck morale – these are regular season points. We need to win.

Can we cut this out? There is no regular season. MLS is not a TV league. There is no gate. Without a gate, they are not going to spend the money to fly teams around, do effective quarantine, etc.

They will come up with another gimmick in the fall. Bubbles by region or something.

Yay.

[James17930]

Can we cut this out? There is no regular season. MLS is not a TV league. There is no gate. Without a gate, they are not going to spend the money to fly teams around, do effective quarantine, etc.

They will come up with another gimmick in the fall. Bubbles by region or something.

Yay.

I will wait to see if that happens before considering these games unimportant.

Until then, I will treat them with the legitimacy they deserve.

[Graeme]

No Osorio, but Altidore makes the bench!

[James17930]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Edcwix6XsAIYQrK?format=jpg&name=large

[rydermike]

So the only change in the XI from last game is Deleon in for Endoh (with Deleon and Laryea potentially swapping positions)

Edit : and Bono starting in net, I didn't even notice Bono s name, I just assumed it was Westberg

[James17930]

So the only change in the XI from last game is Deleon in for Endoh (with Deleon and Laryea potentially swapping positions)

Edit : and Bono starting in net, I didn't even notice Bono s name, I just assumed it was Westberg

Makes sense to give Bono a game.

[Yohan]

https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2020-07-21-toronto-fc-vs-new-england-revolution/lineup

NE basically has their B team out

[PaceyWinger]

No Gustavo Bou. Lucky for us. Clearly NE is just preparing themselves for the next round. Bank a couple in the first half and let's see some kids. (i've just jinxed it).

[PaceyWinger]

Also good for Alex getting a start. He's been a good pro. He deserves the minutes even if Westburg has clearly taken the spot.

[69Chevy396]

Streams, anyone?

[James17930]

http://liveonscore.net/soccer-streams/major-league-soccer/toronto-fc-vs-new-england-revolution/

[69Chevy396]

Thank you

[James17930]

God, I love it when we can control the ball like this. So fun to watch.

[PaceyWinger]

Really great stuff on the right hand side.

[FootBallAZ]

Really enjoying this ESPN color commentator... name is Ali?

[PaceyWinger]

The movement has been very good. The goal will come. NE are still dangerous because they are playing for the counter 100%.

[rydermike]

That would've been a cheeky goal by Piatti if the defender wasn't there, purposely overrunning the ball, letting the ball go by the keeper

[GhostKiller]

http://liveonscore.net/soccer-streams/major-league-soccer/toronto-fc-vs-new-england-revolution/
Stream went down. Anyone have another one?

[James17930]

Stream went down. Anyone have another one?

Check here for a good one:

https://redditts.soccerstreams.net/event/toronto-new-england-live-stream/494341

[Marauder2]

Stream went down. Anyone have another one?

Just found this one http://fightpass.site/covid19/2020/boxing-legend-says-fury-will-be-ko-by-aj/

[rydermike]

TSN made a mistake there. Pozo hasn't assisted on all five of Akinola goals. He assisted on 4 of them. Deleon got the assist in one. Pozos 5th assist was on Laryea's goal.

[PaceyWinger]

Piatti with a braincramp turnover turnover then foul. oh well its hot.

[James17930]

I always get a bit scared when we basically dominate like this but haven't scored.

Hopefully our half-time adjustments can help us punch through.

[Auzzy]

TFC looking quite good. Obviously slowing down due to the heat.

Only issues I see: NE is good at pressuring w/o fouling much, good at defending against the dribble, and good strength man-on-man. TFC have to stop with the dinky dribbles; show better strength to not get pushed off the ball; and stop with the dinky passes close to the NE goal. Keep up with the great passing, let the ball do the work instead of dribbling through a crowd in this heat. And too bad our mid- to long-range shots are still so weak.

[Defoe]

TFC looking quite good. Obviously slowing down due to the heat.

Only issues I see: NE is good at pressuring w/o fouling much, good at defending against the dribble, and good strength man-on-man. TFC have to stop with the dinky dribbles; show better strength to not get pushed off the ball; and stop with the dinky passes close to the NE goal. Keep up with the great passing, let the ball do the work instead of dribbling through a crowd in this heat. And too bad our mid- to long-range shots are still so weak.

Looking good especially controlling the game from the back through to the midfield. Domination in the middle of the park. But as we all know possession can be irrelevant when one moment can change a game. I’d like to see some more creative chances. Piatti needs to show more as well

[PizzaEatingYeti]

Kind of what one could expect given that New England is playing essentially their B team: overwhelming possession for TFC.
But I have a major question: is TFC very sloppy close to the New England goal, or NE is very good in defense?

[rydermike]

I thought that was going in, we got lucky

[James17930]

We're looking very flat and casual again. Need something. Some more intensity, some speed. Something.

[Auzzy]

TFC way too lucky right now.

[James17930]

TFC way too lucky right now.

No kidding. This is giving me a heart attack.

[Bushmancan]

Thats why we need guys like Shaf attack and pressure.

[SirBobSaget]

Shaffelburg just kinda puts his ahead down and runs at/through defenders. Doesn't give me any confidence that something positive will happen.

[James17930]

Thats why we need guys like Shaf attack and pressure.

Yeah, but with him crossing as he does, I think we really should bring on Jozy.

[rydermike]

I have a bad feeling. We needed a first half goal. I feel like with our guys getting tired and NE bringing on their big guns they're going to score an 80+ minute goal to win 1-0

[Graeme]

New England stopped man marking Bradley, and now has much more possession...

[PizzaEatingYeti]

I would hate this game if TFC would have just 3 points from the first 2 matches.

[James17930]

Okello? Interesting.

[Bushmancan]

Shaffelburg just kinda puts his ahead down and runs at/through defenders. Doesn't give me any confidence that something positive will happen.

I would rather be chasing them down and make them make mistakes in their half than giving them possession in ours. But I agree if only he could finish. LOL

[alex andrew]

twenty very long minutes and we'll lead the group !

[James17930]

How is that not offside?

[Bushmancan]

Are we going to see Jozy? Has he had a complete falling out with Vanney?

Ayo has been great but not involved at all in the 2nd half.

[rydermike]

How is that not offside?
They let close plays go, and then VAR it if it's a goal. If they don't score, then just play on.

[PaceyWinger]

Bradley has not had a great day. Really poor final decisions even if we discount the fact he was being man marked before he was getting the ball.

[613reppingTFC]

For all the cameras they say they have covering this event and all..they still don't have any good cameras to determine offsides lol

[Bushmancan]

Would have been happy to eat my words...

[rydermike]

We got really really lucky no penalty there

[rydermike]

Ciman for Mavinga (he's hurt)
And Jozy for Ayo.

My prediction

[Auzzy]

OMFG Bradley...

[James17930]

We look dead.

[Bushmancan]

So two strikers up front... we need the ball in their half though

[rydermike]

I think that's outside the box

[Bushmancan]

Not clear and obvious... but maybe even up for Bradley

[Auzzy]

Oh Bruce Arena is gonna have a coronary about that one...

[PaceyWinger]

fuckin Jozy with an immediate beautiful pass

[James17930]

Finally Jozy. Kinda late.

[SirBobSaget]

Just stop Caldwell. Jeesh

[Bushmancan]

Buchanan has had a great game.

[PaceyWinger]

2 hands on that Jozy shot

[PaceyWinger]

Bradley is not right. Bad decisions all over the park.

[Auzzy]

Wow even Endoh looking slow against that NE player, despite not being on for long.

[SirBobSaget]

Buchanan has had a great game.

Should be in consideration for the Canada U23. Kinda surprising he has never been brought into any Canada camps yet.

[OgtheDim]

Akinola missing a few here

[James17930]

These 2 together are great.

I want to see this every game.

[Auzzy]

Start the car!

Or the bus...

[SirBobSaget]

After how this 2nd half went, glad for the draw.

Now go Impact!! I guess

[benito]

AYO missed a few chances but the tie seems appropriate.

[OgtheDim]

Start the Golf Cart!!!

[alex andrew]

i think that was self defence, not trying to play ball with both hands

i also think that gentleman should have been red carded for that foul outside the box

congratulations tfc !

[tfcfans]

That’s a decent result all things considered - finishing second and getting Philly may even be better than finishing first and potentially getting Seattle....

[James17930]

Should have brought Jozy in earlier.

[69Chevy396]

Caldwell still the worst soccer analyst in my lifetime. Mavinga clearly MOTM. Bono has to remove that baby oil from his gloves. Shaffelberg not MLS quality, yet. Rest of the team played well.

[Defoe]

We need to be far better in the final third. Not liking the formation in the first half. Maybe Akinola and Altidore up top could show promise. Osorio come back soon

[Red CB Toronto]

Hot as balls down there, do not envy that heat. Never fun to be in.

[Bushmancan]

Should have brought Jozy in earlier.

Needs to start next game when the team is on their front foot. Must have been hot as crap out there.

[bhandsome90]

Any reason why Gallardo isn't getting more playing time?

[Mikmacdo]

Caldwell still the worst soccer analyst in my lifetime. Mavinga clearly MOTM. Bono has to remove that baby oil from his gloves. Shaffelberg not MLS quality, yet. Rest of the team played well.
I agree. Dunfield should be the colour commentator.

I think Shaffleburg is not a winger, he has stone feet, I think he could be a good leftback one day though.

OKello should convert to CB, he had a couple of nice blocks, reminds me of Matip.

[Auzzy]

Start the Golf Cart!!!

lol that’s perfect

[Kiwi10]

Any reason why Gallardo isn't getting more playing time?

I've lost faith in that project now. Seems like Piatti, Endo, Shaff, DeLeon, Laryea are all ahead in the wing depth, even Okello and Dorsey getting minutes over him and before we have to get Osorio minutes in midfield.

Any idea how long the contract is for? Can't be wasting TAM on the bench like that.

[OgtheDim]

So we are either playing Saturday night at 10:30 vs Philly

or

Sunday night at 8:00 vs Seattle (likely)

[SirBobSaget]

So we are either playing Saturday night at 10:30 vs Philly

or

Sunday night at 8:00 vs Seattle (likely)

Looks like we're needing some help from both Canadian rivals. If Whitecaps can hold Chicago to a draw then Seattle would remain in 2nd.

[ag futbol]

Looks like we're needing some help from both Canadian rivals. If Whitecaps can hold Chicago to a draw then Seattle would remain in 2nd.
VWFC look to be a solid, mid-table USL side. We’re lucky just to draw their opener. Wouldn’t be surprised if Chicago beat them 3-0.

[notthesun]

Any reason why Gallardo isn't getting more playing time?

Yeah, he sucks. No idea why we bought him.

[Prof]

Any reason why Gallardo isn't getting more playing time?

He sucks!:hump:

[Joe Kool]

Having TAM player like Gallardo that takes this much time to even try to get a sniff at the lineup you know things are not working out. This is not a homegrown low value contract we are talking about where guys need time to adjust to MLS. This reminds me of the Aketxe situation. Eventually we will just hear that he returned home and that he and TFC mutually parted ways.

[Red CB Toronto]

Having TAM player like Gallardo that takes this much time to even try to get a sniff at the lineup you know things are not working out. This is not a homegrown low value contract we are talking about where guys need time to adjust to MLS. This reminds me of the Aketxe situation. Eventually we will just hear that he returned home and that he and TFC mutually parted ways.

I am just happy that I have two photos that he autographed for me in my all-time team album, takes care of that for my collection.

[OgtheDim]

Some good video analysis of Akinola (there are prior tweets to these in the thread)

https://twitter.com/JustinSousa99/status/1286037220571455494

[rydermike]

Some good video analysis of Akinola (there are prior tweets to these in the thread)

https://twitter.com/JustinSousa99/status/1286037220571455494

I forgot Mullins was on the team lol