TFC 2020 player in-season roster discussion

[Oldtimer]

TFC 2020

General roster discussion

Player in-season moves/speculation/rumours
Post your speculation/information/etc. here in this thread!

Confirmed (by traditional media or the club) signings can get a separate single thread. All other "inside" and other information goes here.

[Red CB Toronto]

Wonder if Fito Ovalle is getting closer to signing a first team deal. Noticed he is down at BMO today and has been training a lot with the first team. The former RSL midfielder and Chile youth international played 17 games with TFC II last season after playing in Chile with Rangers the previous season. Could be an interesting pickup as Greg is knows he well from the RSL academy.

[Oldtimer]

Wonder if Fito Ovalle is getting closer to signing a first team deal. Noticed he is down at BMO today and has been training a lot with the first team. The former RSL midfielder and Chile youth international played 17 games with TFC II last season after playing in Chile with Rangers the previous season. Could be an interesting pickup as Greg is knows he well from the RSL academy.

Is he a possible backup to Fraser?

[Ultra & Proud]

Is he a possible backup to Fraser?

I think so and I would think that if Fraser proves he is up to the job then having Ovalle on the roster would free us up to trade Delgado in the summer window when Bradley is back to get something for him prior to free agency.

[James17930]

So I was one of the people vocally pushing for Fraser to get minutes, partly because I thought he was ready to do the job, partly because he needs minutes to improve; if he can't get minutes here, then he should be loaned out.

I also though we should trade Delgado, not because I don't like him, but because he has value, and if he becomes a free agent after this year we get nothing for him.

BUT:

Maybe it's the other way around. Maybe it's just better having Delgado than Fraser. Maybe we should resign Delgado and let Fraser go. If Vanney still won't put him into a game last night, maybe the writing is on the wall.

But if that's the case, then we have to keep Marky. We can't lose both of them.

[Mikmacdo]

So I was one of the people vocally pushing for Fraser to get minutes, partly because I thought he was ready to do the job, partly because he needs minutes to improve; if he can't get minutes here, then he should be loaned out.

I also though we should trade Delgado, not because I don't like him, but because he has value, and if he becomes a free agent after this year we get nothing for him.

BUT:

Maybe it's the other way around. Maybe it's just better having Delgado than Fraser. Maybe we should resign Delgado and let Fraser go. If Vanney still won't put him into a game last night, maybe the writing is on the wall.

But if that's the case, then we have to keep Marky. We can't lose both of them.

I'd keep Marky, him and auro are the most underappreciated players on TFC.

[kuku]

Toronto FC and Kansas City want Michel Herrero @realvalladolid (https://twitter.com/realvalladolid)
. https://pucelafichajes.com/2020/03/toronto-fc-y-kansas-city-quieren-a-michel-herrero/ (https://t.co/LuN8YCB7Pp?amp=1)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESmd6ITXsAEcUxA?format=jpg&name=small

[MikeForbes]

Not sure where exactly Herrero fits unless it is replace one of Delgado, Osorio or Fraser. SKC seems a better fit for him.

[Mikmacdo]

Toronto FC and Kansas City want Michel Herrero @realvalladolid (https://twitter.com/realvalladolid)
. https://pucelafichajes.com/2020/03/toronto-fc-y-kansas-city-quieren-a-michel-herrero/ (https://t.co/LuN8YCB7Pp?amp=1)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESmd6ITXsAEcUxA?format=jpg&name=small

Fake news. A 31 year old attacking midfielder makes 0 sense.

[Defoe]

Fake news. A 31 year old attacking midfielder makes 0 sense.

This.

Players we need in order of importance imo

1) Elite Striker/Winger who is healthy to play 30 + games and score goals. Must be clinical in final 3rd.
2) A CDM - Can Use Oso+Delgado money if we really had too.
3) Young, good but affordable back up LB to take over Morrow in next 2 years.


No need for an attacking midfielder with Pozuelo and Osorio

[NK Toronto]

This.

Players we need in order of importance imo

1) Elite Striker/Winger who is healthy to play 30 + games and score goals. Must be clinical in final 3rd.
2) A CDM - Can Use Oso+Delgado money if we really had too.
3) Young, good but affordable back up LB to take over Morrow in next 2 years.


No need for an attacking midfielder with Pozuelo and Osorio


Do we even have enough TAM GAM available to sign any new players? No one seems to be able to answer that question.

[noimpactinmtl]

So I was one of the people vocally pushing for Fraser to get minutes, partly because I thought he was ready to do the job, partly because he needs minutes to improve; if he can't get minutes here, then he should be loaned out.

I also though we should trade Delgado, not because I don't like him, but because he has value, and if he becomes a free agent after this year we get nothing for him.

BUT:

Maybe it's the other way around. Maybe it's just better having Delgado than Fraser. Maybe we should resign Delgado and let Fraser go. If Vanney still won't put him into a game last night, maybe the writing is on the wall.

But if that's the case, then we have to keep Marky. We can't lose both of them.

At this point, Fraser has to have a discussion with Vanney and Curtis about their long term plans for him. If they don't have one, then put in a transfer request and get an agent to feel out clubs elsewhere. Most players ceilings become apparent at 22, though there are cases like Laryea being misused by Orlando and reclaimed at 24 as a RB.

[anto7]

I have always been a fan of Delgado, I believe he is underrated by many and does a lot of the dirty work that is often under appreciated.
This is a very interesting set of starts that appears to back up just how valuable he is to this team

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESnPRZHXgAEt438?format=png&name=mediumhttp://forums.redpatchboys.ca/blob:http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/5d8a859f-ce4b-42c7-b9bc-cbba40774d71

[OgtheDim]

I didn't rate Delgado until last year when I saw how much he was doing defensively.

https://twitter.com/Jasoninho10/status/1236448561103069189

12 recoveries is jaw dropping

Delgado is going to get a TAM deal next year with somebody else in this league & we will only then know what we were missing.

[Ossington Mental Youth]

Delgado was great when he came. Had a shit 2018 but bounced back hard last season and proved he's ready to go this season last night. It's crazy but the last two games have shown we don't need Bradley (who definitely still brings something to the table). Fraser will get his time for sure, he's waiting in the wings. I got faith he will be able to provide and play for the team for seasons to come

[Ossington Mental Youth]

*news flash: Fraser traded*
Hahahahahs

[MikeForbes]

*news flash: Fraser traded*
Hahahahahs

The local media reaction would be incredible.

[East Coast Red]

I have always been a fan of Delgado, I believe he is underrated by many and does a lot of the dirty work that is often under appreciated.
This is a very interesting set of starts that appears to back up just how valuable he is to this team

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESnPRZHXgAEt438?format=png&name=mediumhttp://forums.redpatchboys.ca/blob:http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/5d8a859f-ce4b-42c7-b9bc-cbba40774d71

I'm not a great fan of analyzing players based on stats alone, they can often be misleading, but in this case I think they make a great point. Delgado is under appreciated I believe, and I felt he suffered badly after his miss in the CCL final, that really seemed to damage his confidence for some time. But he definitely works hard, runs all day, doesn't often get injured and contributes a lot to the team as a whole without being flashy. Doing the dirty work is spot on. I for one really hope he gets a new deal.

[Ben - D.O.W.]

Delgado is going to get a TAM deal next year with somebody else in this league & we will only then know what we were missing.

This is when I really dislike MLS as a league. "Congratulations, you've played your way into a bigger contract, it just can't be with us."

[Ossington Mental Youth]

This is when I really dislike MLS as a league. "Congratulations, you've played your way into a bigger contract, it just can't be with us."
Agreed 100%, it's fucking stupid.

[Areathrasher]

Free transfer to a Liga MX side is my bet for Delgado.

[anto7]

I'm not a great fan of analyzing players based on stats alone, they can often be misleading, but in this case I think they make a great point. Delgado is under appreciated I believe, and I felt he suffered badly after his miss in the CCL final, that really seemed to damage his confidence for some time. But he definitely works hard, runs all day, doesn't often get injured and contributes a lot to the team as a whole without being flashy. Doing the dirty work is spot on. I for one really hope he gets a new deal.

I agree with everything you say. Some of his detractors on here always tend to zone in on either his lack of shooting prowess or his misplaced passes. Yes his shooting leaves a lot to be desired but that’s not what he is in the team for and as for misplaced passes well pretty much every player on the team can be guilty of that so I really don’t think he is worse than anyone else in that department. And in my opinion his work rate and ability to cover a huge amount of ground more than makes up for any deficiencies. I also think he has way more skill than he is given credit for too.

[notthesun]

A propos of nothing, I remember some years back thinking about potential TAM attackers or a new DP to replace Giovinco as he aged and wondering about Josip Ilicic. Ultra talented player that never quite made the jump to top European teams, I thought we might have been able to sell him on MLS and a big contract here.

Ship's sailed now but man what a player, one of the best in Europe this year. 4 goals against Valencia today...

[TFC_905]

Robert Boskovic of TFC2 on loan to Calvary.

https://twitter.com/ThomasNef2/status/1237513856076804096?s=20

[OgtheDim]

Interesting idea moving forward

https://twitter.com/MattDoyle76/status/1250454216629456896

Us being owned by what is an essential service might mean TFC has a lot of clout when this is all over.

[Red CB Toronto]

Interesting idea moving forward

https://twitter.com/MattDoyle76/status/1250454216629456896

Us being owned by what is an essential service might mean TFC has a lot of clout when this is all over.

I assume we are talking about Bell and Rogers here and not MLSE. Yes I doubt their core business has taken a hit at all. With all the people who are working from home these days companies have had to do a lot from a tech standpoint to make that happen. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. Does some name of some sort jump to Belarus for a instant paycheck?

[Lil'John]

Yes. It will depend a bit on who your owners and sponsors are.
BMO are likely to suffer from interest rates at 0% and oil at $10/brl.

[ensco]

A ray of sunshine. Michael Bradley is on track.

https://torontosun.com/sports/soccer/mls/toronto-fc/toronto-fc-captain-michael-bradley-says-injury-rehab-going-well-unwilling-to-readdress-controversies

[MightyDM]

That article does reinforce that what Jozy said was accurate. Its subtle but MB clearly speaks to that.

[Auzzy]

That article does reinforce that what Jozy said was accurate. Its subtle but MB clearly speaks to that.

I agree generally, and was thinking of bringing it up but wasn't sure especially in this thread. I would modify what you said though: I believe the article shows that Jozy definitely had a valid point; "accurate" might going too far. But the fact that MB had some "good, hard, honest, direct conversations with everybody inside the club" shows that something was up. But also: "Since then, we’ve all moved on." - which I believe likely refers to MB, Jozy, and everybody in the club.

[MightyDM]

I agree generally, and was thinking of bringing it up but wasn't sure especially in this thread. I would modify what you said though: I believe the article shows that Jozy definitely had a valid point; "accurate" might going too far. But the fact that MB had some "good, hard, honest, direct conversations with everybody inside the club" shows that something was up. But also: "Since then, we’ve all moved on." - which I believe likely refers to MB, Jozy, and everybody in the club.

Yes, yu put this better than I did. And my comment probably did not belong in the thread. but these days i suspect the mods are being lenient...

[notthesun]

Dutch media has linked us to Jonathan De Guzman.

https://www.voetbalzone.nl/doc.asp?uid=370958 (https://www.voetbalzone.nl/doc.asp?uid=370958)

It says he's fallen out of favour at Eintracht Frankfurt and we want to secure his transfer as soon as the coronavirus situation is resolved in North America. His contract is expiring so it would be a free or nominal-figure transfer.

[MikeForbes]

Where is this cap room coming from though?

[sn0re]

How many international spots do we have left?

[SirBobSaget]

Dutch media has linked us to Jonathan De Guzman.

https://www.voetbalzone.nl/doc.asp?uid=370958 (https://www.voetbalzone.nl/doc.asp?uid=370958)

It says he's fallen out of favour at Eintracht Frankfurt and we want to secure his transfer as soon as the coronavirus situation is resolved in North America. His contract is expiring so it would be a free or nominal-figure transfer.

Only played 3 matches in the 19/20 season. Has a muscle injury from late August to mid November then never made it back onto the pitch. Contract is up in June, on a non-DP contract he would be worth the gamble

[ensco]

How many starting midfielders can you have on one team?

How many good midfielders do you need if you want to go 4-3-3?

[ag futbol]

Barf. That would be a tough one to swallow as a CMNT fan.

I’m sure there our other ways to improve the club and for the love of god, no more broken down golf carts we can “fix” please

[Red CB Toronto]

How many international spots do we have left?

He actually would be a domestic player as he is Canadian.

[notthesun]

I think it's a bit of an odd get... unless we're shipping off Delgado before his contract is up.

[TFC/Everton]

I think it's a bit of an odd get... unless we're shipping off Delgado before his contract is up.

So, if JDG2 is healthy, he will be an upgrade if Marky is sold midseason or at the end of the year. I, for some self-loathing reason, have followed JDG2's career very closely over the years. So I can say with some confidence he will be very good in MLS. Again, if he's healthy.

Deldago was pretty clear in his interview with KJ he wants out. So, if it's Mexico or Europe, I wish him the best. He's been a beast for this club. He will be remembered fondly.

As for JDG2, we do owe him a loud round of boos when he first steps on the pitch. If there is ever live soccer again... After that, I think we can cheer for him. As a Canada Soccer diehard, I will never forgive him, but perhaps some glory with TFC could be a step towards redemption in some small way.

On a brighter note, it's nice to have a transfer rumour again. I really miss soccer.

[Initial B]

How many international spots do we have left?
I see what you did there. :wink5:
But to the question at hand, I'm not sure how he'd fit into Vanney's setup. There's also chemistry and is he that much a step up in quality compared to what we have for the price he'd cost?

[OgtheDim]

Well now....

https://twitter.com/KristianJack/status/1253370219772416009

[jabbronies]

Well now....

https://twitter.com/KristianJack/status/1253370219772416009


LOL - went for the money - I don't blame him.

But if he comes back - he's not coming back as a player.
Would make the most sense to see him put his stamp on the academy. That is Curtis' passion - so don't be surprised if he come in at some capacity there. A director or someone who sets up the structure of the academy or something.

[notthesun]

Vazquez is 33. No spring chicken but that's not completely over the hill...

If he came back on a Cheyrou type sweetheart deal, why not?

[OgtheDim]

He'd be a Cheyrou role, but in attack. Mentor position.

He'd have to go through allocation, BTW. We'd be tossing some Garber bucks to somebody.

[OgtheDim]

For the opposite view, here's Wheeler - usually I'd say he hears what TFC is thinking and uses that when discussing moves but as he's not with them right now, not 100% sold on his 100% certainty this isn't going to happen

https://twitter.com/GarethWheeler/status/1253385525110738946

[Yohan]

Honestly if Vazquez is willing to be another Benoit Cheyrou and accept a small wage and sub role, I wouldn't be against him coming back.

[magmadragon]

Honestly if Vazquez is willing to be another Benoit Cheyrou and accept a small wage and sub role, I wouldn't be against him coming back.

From your lips to Ali's ears

[ag futbol]

For the opposite view, here's Wheeler - usually I'd say he hears what TFC is thinking and uses that when discussing moves but as he's not with them right now, not 100% sold on his 100% certainty this isn't going to happen

https://twitter.com/GarethWheeler/status/1253385525110738946
I mean, okay, respect to Wheeler but it’s Victor Vazquez!

What is the downside if he gets added to the rotation?

[Oldtimer]

I mean, okay, respect to Wheeler but it’s Victor Vazquez!

What is the downside if he gets added to the rotation?

Salary space under the "cap."

[Yohan]

I mean, okay, respect to Wheeler but it’s Victor Vazquez!

What is the downside if he gets added to the rotation?
and international spot. maybe even a change in formation to cover vazquez's lack of mobility in midfield

[ag futbol]

Valid points. That said, at a Cheyrou type price and a substitute role I’ll take it.

Risk / reward would be quite favourable.

[rydermike]

I would take Vazquez back. A sub role and load management role when Pozo needs a day off.

Not worried about international spots as we're in good position with domestics like Jozy/Bradley/Omar/Osorio/Delgado playing valuable roles. Some of our internationals are subs Gallardo/Endoh/Achara. Heck we used a spot on Bakero for two years. We have an empty slot and we can always acquire one via trade.

[jabbronies]

Valid points. That said, at a Cheyrou type price and a substitute role I’ll take it.

Risk / reward would be quite favourable.


Cheyrou wasn't injury prone.

[rydermike]

How much was Vazquez transferred for? MLS allocation says they must go through the process for fees over 500,000. I feel like I read he was transferred for 500,000 back then to Qatar. And now I have this crazy thought. Wasn't Bez the MLS cap guy, imagine if he realized a loophole would be to transfer him for $499,999 instead of an even 500,000.

Probably not likely given I read Wheeler say he is subject to Allocation, but just imagine

[shwade]

Bring him back in a heartbeat. The way he's talking sounds like he regrets choosing money over other factors so that may not be a sticky point here.
Limited minutes, cover for Pozo, mentor to young guns, future academy coach and TFC manager.
Yes please.

[Initial B]

If they can bring him under the cap, then I'd say pull the trigger.

[Ultra & Proud]

If they can bring him under the cap, then I'd say pull the trigger.
Not sure how Covid 19 affected the buy out rules in MLS but if it got pushed back then buy out Zavaleta and give Vasquez the $300K.

[ensco]

VV didn’t make a mistake. He made $8M the last two years instead of the $1.5M he was going to make if he stayed. He is set up for life, every last person here should be lucky enough to be offered a chance to make this mistake.

I would do it, but Pozo is going 90 minutes, and he is rarely sitting. Vazquez isn’t a sub for Pozo.

He and Pozo would be pretty interesting together in the 2017 3-5-2.

The issue with Vazquez is that he would be taking minutes from Osorio.

VV should start if he is here, otherwise don’t bother.

[Auzzy]

VV didn’t make a mistake. He made $8M the last two years instead of the $1.5M he was going to make if he stayed. He is set up for life, every last person here should be lucky enough to be offered a chance to make this mistake.

I would do it, but Pozo is going 90 minutes, and he is rarely sitting. Vazquez isn’t a sub for Pozo.

He and Pozo would be pretty interesting together in the 2017 3-5-2.

The issue with Vazquez is that he would be taking minutes from Osorio.

VV should start if he is here, otherwise don’t bother.

I'm not sure about VV personally these days; I haven't watched him since he went overseas so I don't know what shape he is in. Generally I feel TFC needs to get younger, but Victor is Victor.

I'm not surprised he liked Toronto and wants back. We have a good common acquaintance, and I knew Victor's whole family really loved Toronto when they were here. They really didn't want to leave, and I never got a clear read on the reasoning, especially less than a year after signing an improved contract with Toronto. I'm sure the pay was a big part of that; you're right, he's basically secured his retirement after two years. I also wondered: VV re-signed with TFC after their record-breaking season. They were on top of the world, going for CCL glory, and dreaming of repeating in MLS. Then the wheels came off in the 2018 season; Giovinco & Jozy were upset and trying to re-negotiate; then Bez disappeared on short notice. TFC was no longer a place to "win now." Pair that with Victor's back problems, which I believe were made worse by the cold and the varied surfaces at BMO and the rest of MLS. All of that probably made the $ from Qatar look even shinier in the winter 2018/2019, despite generally wanting to stay in Toronto.

But RE your last line: Victor's age and back issues, in our climate and some of the crappy surfaces around MLS, have me thinking a super-sub role (+ academy afterwards) might be the right role for him. They could probably do a handshake deal to pay a fairly low amount for VV's last year(s) as a player, and a better payday afterwards at the academy.

I'm pretty sure that's what they did with Cheyrou, who took a huge pay cut in his final year as a player. He then hung around with the academy only until the following August, just enough to earn back the money he missed in his last year as a player. (Vazquez would likely want to stay longer.)

[OgtheDim]

This is a spec thread and normally I wouldn't discuss the reality we all have in our heads - but given VV's age, I'm going to throw this out there

The reason I don't think this gets done in 2020 is I don't think we play again in 2020 and TFC isn't willing to make such a commitment to an older player given the uncertainty.

[ensco]

This is a spec thread and normally I wouldn't discuss the reality we all have in our heads - but given VV's age, I'm going to throw this out there

The reason I don't think this gets done in 2020 is I don't think we play again in 2020 and TFC isn't willing to make such a commitment to an older player given the uncertainty.

Without understanding what happens to every MLS contract, it's impossible to know what to think. It will all have to be negotiated with the union.

Are guys getting only a percentage of their contracts? How does allocation work without results? Did the year count or didn't it? Is Delgado an FA or isn't he?

[Oldtimer]

Curtis doesn't immediately rule out bringing back VV.

https://torontosun.com/sports/soccer/mls/toronto-fc/tfc-gm-leaves-door-open-to-possible-return-of-victor-vazquez/amp?__twitter_impression=true

[James17930]

Curtis doesn't immediately rule out bringing back VV.

https://torontosun.com/sports/soccer/mls/toronto-fc/tfc-gm-leaves-door-open-to-possible-return-of-victor-vazquez/amp?__twitter_impression=true

I'm just listening to the Footy Talks now. He really, really, really wants to come back. Let's do it! He even said he doesn't care about money; we could probably sign him for like 300k. Even if he doesn't play too much, having him in the changing room would be worth it alone, like Cheyrou, as others have said.

Re-signing Giovinco would probably be too hard at this point, but if we can get VV back we shouldn't even hesitate.

[MightyDM]

He is actually the best player we have ever had. Absolutely bring him back. Whatever the role.

[MightyDM]

And TFC’s latest video was the Columbus game in 2017 where he scored two; piece is full of tributes to him from Bono, Marky and Oso

[PizzaEatingYeti]

He is actually the best player we have ever had. Absolutely bring him back. Whatever the role.

This, right here!
I think Victor is the most under-appreciated player in TFC-s history.

IMO without him that great 2017 would not exist, simply as that...

[Auzzy]

Pretty wild that Alex Bono and Quentin Westberg have the same birthday (today).

[Lil'John]

I agree that Victor is the most under-appreciated player in TFC history.
But he's 33 and Poz plays the same position (when Vanney lets him) and will be (very) rested.
Poz was a direct replacement for VV, not Gio.

[James17930]

I agree that Victor is the most under-appreciated player in TFC history.
But he's 33 and Poz plays the same position (when Vanney lets him) and will be (very) rested.
Poz was a direct replacement for VV, not Gio.

But Poz keeps saying he wants to be a number 10, so you do this:

---------Q-----------
Auro----Omar-------Mavinga
Oso-Marky-Bradley-Morrow
-----------VV-----------
------Josy---Poz-------

I salivate.

[Blindside16]

But Poz keeps saying he wants to be a number 10, so you do this:

---------Q-----------
Auro----Omar-------Mavinga
Oso-Marky-Bradley-Morrow
-----------VV-----------
------Josy---Poz-------

I salivate.

Oh man that line up is nice. Myonly question is are you lining up a 3-4-1-2 or was that meant to be a 4-3-1-2? I would even be tempted to drop Marky and slot in DeLeon or Piatti (depending on how he plays of course)

Either way that is a very scary line up especially considering you have pace with Achara and Laryea off the bench in the last 30

[James17930]

Oh man that line up is nice. Myonly question is are you lining up a 3-4-1-2 or was that meant to be a 4-3-1-2? I would even be tempted to drop Marky and slot in DeLeon or Piatti (depending on how he plays of course)

Either way that is a very scary line up especially considering you have pace with Achara and Laryea off the bench in the last 30

3-4-1-2

I forgot about Piatti.

[Defoe]

But Poz keeps saying he wants to be a number 10, so you do this:

---------Q-----------
Auro----Omar-------Mavinga
Oso-Marky-Bradley-Morrow
-----------VV-----------
------Josy---Poz-------

I salivate.

The number 10 is attacking midfielder, not forward like you have Poz in that lineup. In the formation you posted is VV is the number 10, not Pozuelo.

[James17930]

The number 10 is attacking midfielder, not forward like you have Poz in that lineup. In the formation you posted is VV is the number 10, not Pozuelo.

I think most people associate the number 10 in football with a striker, no?

[ensco]

The 10 is an AM. Pozo is an AM. He has to be on the ball.

The striker/AM thing can be confusing, depending on the system. In our 3-5-2 in 2017, Gio was a hybrid, he roamed a lot.

[jabbronies]

Gio wanted to be a 10 - but he wasn't.

When you think #10 - Think Zidane. They play in front of the midfield and behind the forwards - right in the middle.

Usually operating between center and the top of the box. They will often come into the 18 as a free player, hence why they often score a lot and people confuse them for strikers.

[OgtheDim]

Just to make it all more interesting

https://twitter.com/KristianJack/status/1255903613144178689

[MikeForbes]

Marky deserves that extension. You just know that he is one of the first names on Vanney's team sheet.

[MikeForbes]

This also probably means Fraser is heading out on loan or is gonna be traded away for some sweet, sweet TAM.

[notthesun]

This also probably means Fraser is heading out on loan or is gonna be traded away for some sweet, sweet TAM.

They play different roles, I don't see the link.

[rydermike]

But Poz keeps saying he wants to be a number 10, so you do this:

---------Q-----------
Auro----Omar-------Mavinga
Oso-Marky-Bradley-Morrow
-----------VV-----------
------Josy---Poz-------

I salivate.
Like others have said 10 is the VV role you have. Granted with VV's age, I see him more a 2nd half sub more than a 90 minute player. So an alternative I could find to accomodate both is you play Pozo as the AM, but maybe around minute 60-75 you make a sub, put in VV as the AM and Pozo moves up front as Jozy's partner.

I would shift Morrow to a back 4. Auro and Morrow both like to push up, so this could be a hybrid 3-4-1-2 with it switching sides as needed from (Auro-Marky-Bradley-Osorio) to (Marky-Bradley-Osorio-Morrow) I moved Oso over a couple slots to keep Bradley in the middle.

Key question like others mentioned is what to do with Piatti.

[MightyDM]

MLS starting calibre midfielders we have:

Poz
Bradley
Oso
Piatti
Marky
DeLeon

not much room for Fraser

[magmadragon]

Fraser's time to shine would have been now while Bradley is out injured. But obviously that's on hold.

[OgtheDim]

Any decision made now is about 2021 & beyond. Fraser is the #6 potential as is Delgado. Have them both and see what happens when all this finishes.

[MikeForbes]

Controversial opinion - The team operated much better in midfield (small sample size, I know) without them constantly forcing the ball to Bradley. Osorio and Delgado have tremendous chemistry.

[MikeForbes]

Also, so glad to have something to discuss on here.

[James17930]

The number 10 is attacking midfielder, not forward like you have Poz in that lineup. In the formation you posted is VV is the number 10, not Pozuelo.

I stand corrected.

[James17930]

Just to make it all more interesting

https://twitter.com/KristianJack/status/1255903613144178689

I've become pro-Marky now after how he performed in the first two games. Glad we're keeping him.

[ensco]

Signing him doesn’t 100% mean he is staying. He remains a trade asset, a transfer asset. Just something to remember.

[Yohan]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/toronto-fc-agrees-long-term-contract-midfielder-marky-delgado/

[ag futbol]

Signing him doesn’t 100% mean he is staying. He remains a trade asset, a transfer asset. Just something to remember.
Yeah, I could definitely see a “flip” happening here.

I’m the interim, while transfer markets are frozen he sees some benefit and TFC takes a smallish transfer fee later.

Given what we saw earlier this year I think it’s fair to say Fraser is not though of as a rotation player (in the eyes of management). We pushed Osorio into the DM role rather than give Fraser minutes. Maybe that changes later but for now it seems pretty damn clear.

[ensco]

Signing Delgado is interesting. I really like it. It is a great message for the room. They are taking care of a core guy here, making sure he isn’t unsettled.

I assume the price to sign him was lower than it would have been in February, when Marky went public. I wouldn’t blame Marky if he suddenly felt differently about the attractions of being an FA in November...

This is a ballsy move that only a deep pocketed owner can make. There is massive uncertainty about so many things, not least of which is the cap.

[Ultra & Proud]

Given what we saw earlier this year I think it’s fair to say Fraser is not though of as a rotation player (in the eyes of management). We pushed Osorio into the DM role rather than give Fraser minutes. Maybe that changes later but for now it seems pretty damn clear.

Both Osorio and Delgado are better than Fraser at this point and Osorio looked really good at DM so far. At the moment we're in win everything mode and you don't win everything with guys who are unproven. Sadly, when in win now mode the young developing players usually don't get a shot but that's just how it goes. Happens the same all over the world.

[shwade]

Good for Marky...he's grown as a player every year he's been here and is solid on the pitch.

[ag futbol]

Both Osorio and Delgado are better than Fraser at this point and Osorio looked really good at DM so far. At the moment we're in win everything mode and you don't win everything with guys who are unproven. Sadly, when in win now mode the young developing players usually don't get a shot but that's just how it goes. Happens the same all over the world.
No argument there.

I worry how young players look at this longer term but let’s not go down that rabbit hole. If he kicks down the door and makes his most of the time on the field, kind of makes that story a moot point.

[Gazza_55]

Yeah, I could definitely see a “flip” happening here.

I’m the interim, while transfer markets are frozen he sees some benefit and TFC takes a smallish transfer fee later.

Given what we saw earlier this year I think it’s fair to say Fraser is not though of as a rotation player (in the eyes of management). We pushed Osorio into the DM role rather than give Fraser minutes. Maybe that changes later but for now it seems pretty damn clear.

There’s no way they signed Delgado to trade him. The higher contract number makes him harder to move.

[James17930]

Both Osorio and Delgado are better than Fraser at this point and Osorio looked really good at DM so far. At the moment we're in win everything mode and you don't win everything with guys who are unproven. Sadly, when in win now mode the young developing players usually don't get a shot but that's just how it goes. Happens the same all over the world.

But now I would hope the club realizes it's imperative to send Frasier out on loan somewhere.

[OgtheDim]

In January, its was a player's & seller's market.

Going to be the opposite in August. There will be lots of decent players available.

[ag futbol]

There’s no way they signed Delgado to trade him. The higher contract number makes him harder to move.
Not trade, transfer. He’s only harder to move if he signed for above market value. From everything we’ve heard, that’s unlikely the case.

[noimpactinmtl]

But now I would hope the club realizes it's imperative to send Frasier out on loan somewhere.

It’s on Fraser and his agent to find teams willing to offer him playing time.

[JustSaying]

It’s on Fraser and his agent to find teams willing to offer him playing time.

I have more confidence in Fraser than some others posting in this thread and completely agreed he needs more playing time.

Unfortunately, going out on loan seems like a death sentence for TFC players. Have there been any TFC players sent out on loan that subsequently returned to play for TFC?

[MightyDM]

I have more confidence in Fraser than some others posting in this thread and completely agreed he needs more playing time.

Unfortunately, going out on loan seems like a death sentence for TFC players. Have there been any TFC players sent out on loan that subsequently returned to play for TFC?

Did Cesar come back from the Brazil national team?

[Oldtimer]

Did Cesar come back from the Brazil national team?

Nope

[James17930]

Do you think locking up Marky during this Covid time was a prelude to re-signing VV? So they knew exactly how much they'd have left to work with?

[rydermike]

Unfortunately, going out on loan seems like a death sentence for TFC players. Have there been any TFC players sent out on loan that subsequently returned to play for TFC?

Jordan Hamilton went on loan to Portugal in 2014. He made 65 appearances for us after - though never could grab a firm role

[Oldtimer]

As far as I've seen, it's a very common phenomenon worldwide for players to go out on loan and never play (again) for their official clubs.

[rydermike]

As far as I've seen, it's a very common phenomenon worldwide for players to go out on loan and never play (again) for their official clubs.

This. Loans are really done for only one of two reasons:
1) Essentially a tryout. A loan with a purchase option if the team liked him.
2) Young players to get more playing time get loaned to a lower division team/lower ranked team.

Also the third option which happens sometimes
3) Player with big contract who's out of favour, gets loaned to another team who picks up a portion of the salary. (ie. Player X makes $10 Million and no team is willing to pay him that on a transfer so his team loans him to Team Y. Team Y might pay him say $3M, while original team pays the other $7. Just saves them a little bit of money.)

[ensco]

^Option 3 happened to Jozy twice in Europe. I believe his stint at Hull was also an Option 1 (tryout with option to purchase)

[noimpactinmtl]

Option 4 is far more common pre tournament. Players looking for playing time to ensure a spot on the national team. Cesar came to Toronto because he needed game time for the World Cup.

[cincy]

Jozy to the Netherlands ?? Discuss ....

fact or fiction, understatement or hyperbole ?

[Graeme]

Jozy to the Netherlands ?? Discuss ....

fact or fiction, understatement or hyperbole ?

What's this?

[cincy]

https://torontosun.com/sports/soccer/mls/toronto-fc/altidore-catches-tfc-off-guard-with-talks-of-returning-to-europe

[James17930]

My immediate reaction is: What the fuck is wrong with this guy? Like, I'm asking in a real, actual, sense. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH HIM.

But I realize it's possible, based on how he's quoted in the article, that the question could've been like, "If you weren't in Toronto right now, where do you see yourself playing?". And then sure, that answer would be relatively appropriate and fine. Though he says he was in contact with Feyenoord? I love Ali Curtis's reaction:

“No club from the Netherlands contacted me regarding Jozy last year,” Curtis told the Toronto Sun. “It would be strange as well, given we agreed on a new long-term contract last year.”


But you know what Jozy? At this point, if you want to leave, just leave. All this nonsense is getting pretty tiresome.

[Joe Kool]

My immediate reaction is: What the fuck is wrong with this guy? Like, I'm asking in a real, actual, sense. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH HIM.

But I realize it's possible, based on how he's quoted in the article, that the question could've been like, "If you weren't in Toronto right now, where do you see yourself playing?". And then sure, that answer would be relatively appropriate and fine. Though he says he was in contact with Feyenoord? I love Ali Curtis's reaction:

“No club from the Netherlands contacted me regarding Jozy last year,” Curtis told the Toronto Sun. “It would be strange as well, given we agreed on a new long-term contract last year.”


But you know what Jozy? At this point, if you want to leave, just leave. All this nonsense is getting pretty tiresome.

I agree. If he does in fact want to leave then just leave and stop telling the fans in TO that he plans to be here until retirement.

I will say though, my family has had first hand experience when the news did a story on my wife's illness, that the media can put a spin on a story by taking things out of context and telling a different story using the quotes from a conversation to make something seem like something else so I take everything with a grain of salt until hearing it directly from the player or the club.

[Loyal]

Is Altidore "Soccer Bi-Polar"?

One day he loves the City forever.....the next day he wants to finish his playing days in the Netherlands

One day he loves the team....the next day he drops another bomb on the front office

For a guy who averages a handful of games a year due to constant injuries - and gets his millions - might be a good idea to put a lid on it

Especially right now!

[OgtheDim]

Every single player in MLS wants to play or play again in Europe under the right circumstances - Jozy is no exception to that. Don't think he is going back but got no issue with him talking about it.

Guys speaks his mind, and isn't guarded. That's Jozy. Jozy is going to Jozy and I kinda like it, to be honest.

[OgtheDim]

I love Jozy.

This is him.

All of it


One day, talks to Vice about how great Europe would be again (and if you think any MLS player wouldn't take a job in Europe "under the right circumstances", you are not listening to them - they all think they can play there).

Next day does tweets about supporting local TO essential workers.

Jozy is Jozy and you just gotta go with the flow on all this.

He is a one of a kind - we all will miss him after he retires.

[MightyDM]

tempest. teacup.

[rydermike]

I love Jozy, but he is too injury prone. If there's a deal for him in Europe. I'd take it and run. Sign Vazquez and a healthy DP striker instead

[OgtheDim]

Somebody ask Marky Delgado about where in Europe he'd like to play - you might not get an answer publicly, but he will have one privately (Spain, I suspect).

[ensco]

Jozy did a Footy Talks podcast with Caldwell two-three weeks ago, he kinda said the same thing. The fuller version:

He was just a kid in Europe, he didn’t understand the bigger game, got bad advice, and never maximized his potential there (except at Alkmaar). His examples were:
- never should have gone on loan from Villarreal
- never realized he had interest from Ajax when he was loaned to Hull.
- had significant off field personal issues at Sunderland that wrecked his time there

He professed his love for the Dutch game and said if ever he had a chance at an Ajax or PSV he would be interested.

There were other parts of the podcast where he really was sincere about his love for the team/people here. He also gave a lot of love to Sunderland fans.

Honestly, it came off in totality like sounding like a guy being honest, and NOT a guy trying to leave.

Soccer is a sometimes complex vocation, but it is not a religious order.

Jozy's Jozy-ness is what makes Jozy Jozy.

[ag futbol]

Nothing in this IMO.

Basically it’s “I’d love to play in Europe if the situation and money was right and they’d take me”. Most player on our roster would probably express the same thing if you spoke to them privately.

He knows going back means a pay cut. Or realistically, that clubs that could pay and play good football aren’t interested. Won’t happen.

[ensco]

Balotelli to everywhere (including TFC) rumours resurface...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8388117/Mario-Balotelli-set-walk-away-Brescia-next.html

[ensco]

Random Liga MX rumour

https://twitter.com/transfersmls/status/1272704648835665922?s=21

[Rocket Robin]

Name drop at today's Zoom press conference of possible player for 1812FC Barrie in their first season in League 1 Ontario is Jeremy Hall.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Hall_(soccer)

He does tick the box of 50 TFC appearances!

Here's the audio of the last 25 minutes of the Zoom conference in today's 1812 FC Barrie announcement.
http://www.rocketrobinsoccerintoronto.com/reports20/20l1o021.htm

[James17930]

We just re-signed Richie, which is great:

https://www.torontofc.ca/post/2020/06/24/laryea-signs-new-deal-toronto-fc/1

... but it makes me wonder, do we still have enough left in the tank to also get VV back?

Because we have to bring him back. No question. It probably won't even need to be too much – he said he didn't care about the money – but I'm guessing it would have to at least be somewhere in the ~300k range. Anyone remember how much the cap went up in the new CBA?

And I know there's no more of the old style TAM, but there is still 'discretionary TAM' that could probably be used for something like this, right? And we'd have to trade up in the allocation order, right?

Right?

Right?

Man, this stuff is tricky.

[Blindside16]

We just re-signed Richie, which is great:

https://www.torontofc.ca/post/2020/06/24/laryea-signs-new-deal-toronto-fc/1

... but it makes me wonder, do we still have enough left in the tank to also get VV back?

Because we have to bring him back. No question. It probably won't even need to be too much – he said he didn't care about the money – but I'm guessing it would have to at least be somewhere in the ~300k range. Anyone remember how much the cap went up in the new CBA?

And I know there's no more of the old style TAM, but there is still 'discretionary TAM' that could probably be used for something like this, right? And we'd have to trade up in the allocation order, right?

Right?

Right?

Man, this stuff is tricky.

Even if we did have the finances available he would have to go through the allocation list which means we would need to throw a good sized bone Miami's way to get top spot

[James17930]

Even if we did have the finances available he would have to go through the allocation list which means we would need to throw a good sized bone Miami's way to get top spot

I say give them draft picks. We don't really need them (despite getting Endoh and Acharya that way).

[OgtheDim]

Delgado signs a long term deal

https://www.torontofc.ca/post/2020/06/25/delgado-signs-new-long-term-deal-toronto-fc


******

Our midfield is so stacked but we can't play all these guys enough

POZ - AM DP

Osorio - jack of all trades but mostly AM TAM(ish)

Delgado - DM link man but offensively weak

Fraser - Bradley replacement but defensively weak

DeLeon - put me in coach jack of all trades

Bradley - aging ex DP captain DM playmaker



And that's before we get to the out wide guys

[James17930]

MLS has released its revised Transfer Window info for this year:

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2020/07/01/mls-two-day-transfer-window-set-july-6-7-secondary-window-open-aug-12-oct-29

Based on this, we wouldn't be able to re-sign VV until mid-August at the earliest.

[kuku]

Could this be the player Ali was looking at?

20-year-old Guarani forward Rodney Redes is set to define his future this week, with strong links suggesting he will head to #MLS (https://twitter.com/hashtag/MLS?src=hashtag_click) to an unnamed club.The transfer, should it happen, would be for 2021, meaning Redes would remain at Guarani until the end of the year. #transfers (https://twitter.com/hashtag/transfers?src=hashtag_click)

Diego Serrati- the player's agent suggests that the club interested never had a Paraguayan player before. (Meaning it's not Atlanta, Portland, Minnesota, Salt Lake, Dallas, Orlando, LA Galaxy, Chicago, both NY clubs & Seattle)


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbsZPr8XgAo1I3i?format=jpg&name=small

[Smokecell]

Achara out for the year with a torn ACL...absolutely gutted for him.

[SneijderOranje]

crazy just when we thought everyone was healthy again.

[James17930]

Achara out for the year with a torn ACL...absolutely gutted for him.

This just really sucks. I feel so bad for him.

[noimpactinmtl]

Achara out for the year with a torn ACL...absolutely gutted for him.

ACL is also the worst case scenario. Arsenal’s Rob Holding and Hector Bellerin both got it in December 2018 and they’re still not fully recovered. ACL typically has a two year recovery period due to the mental block.

[FootBallAZ]

This just really sucks. I feel so bad for him.


like wise, know he was going thru some stuff oh man

[gracos]

TFC signs goalkeeper Kevin Silva

https://www.torontofc.ca/post/2020/07/03/toronto-fc-signs-goalkeeper-kevin-silva

[Bushmancan]

ACL is also the worst case scenario. Arsenal’s Rob Holding and Hector Bellerin both got it in December 2018 and they’re still not fully recovered. ACL typically has a two year recovery period due to the mental block.


Absolutely gutted for him and the team... I finally felt that we had someone who could allow Jozy to take a day off. For example, with the potential the kid was showing, he could have started in Seattle and we would have had an attack that might have been able to close. Hoping for a recovery, perhaps we get really lucky. (Bellerin and Holding were defenders aren't they... both Shearer and van Nistelrooy recovered from similar injuries early in there careers or perhaps its Arsenals shambolic medical staff.:D

[noimpactinmtl]

Absolutely gutted for him and the team... I finally felt that we had someone who could allow Jozy to take a day off. For example, with the potential the kid was showing, he could have started in Seattle and we would have had an attack that might have been able to close. Hoping for a recovery, perhaps we get really lucky. (Bellerin and Holding were defenders aren't they... both Shearer and van Nistelrooy recovered from similar injuries early in there careers or perhaps its Arsenals shambolic medical staff.:D

Arsenal’s head of medical just left for Liverpool. They’re bringing in a Brazilian to replace him, who happened to be fluent in Spanish, Portuguese, English and French. It’s partly due to the nature of the injury and the physical demands of the Premier League.

Holding when he first came back was rusty as hell. Bellerin right now still hasn’t completely regained his agility, which affects him more as a RB than Holding who is a CB.

For Acharya, the ACL injury is going to affect him far more than say Jozy.

[Mikmacdo]

ACL is also the worst case scenario. Arsenal’s Rob Holding and Hector Bellerin both got it in December 2018 and they’re still not fully recovered. ACL typically has a two year recovery period due to the mental block.

ACL isn't two years recovery. He should be fine in 9 months. Achilles is worse than an ACL tear. Didn't save tear his ACL and returned a couple weeks ago for city.

[magmadragon]

ACL sucks hard. Feel awful for Achara. It's one thing when a veteran gets it, but here's the kid ready to take the reigns and start his career with a bang. Pandemic shuts him down and now he's out for a long while. Just terrible. At least he gets to miss out on the petri dish that is MLS is Back.

[OgtheDim]

ACL is a year long thing

Issue often is an injury that follows the ACL from not rehabbing properly.

What I find very interesting is Vanney as much as said that they were looking at Achara as a key player moving forward.

https://www.torontofc.ca/post/2020/07/03/vanney-preaches-unity-ahead-orlando-arrival-be-responsible-control-things-we-can


He’s a potential starter every day,” said Vanney. “He's done well, scored in almost every single game – preseason and the game that he played against New York. He's shown that he's goal dangerous, he's versatile – could play wide, in that particular [training] game we were playing him up front and he was fantastic as a striker.”

“We were starting to embark on all the different ways we could use [him] in different roles and as we brought him new information he was able to take it on and still continue to do well. In my planning, he was a really important piece of how we would evolve, have some depth, and all that,” continued the coach. “If he wasn't in the lineup, he was going to be one of the first guys to come into a game. He'd pushed himself into that [position]. The team loves him; the guys like playing with him. And for us it means we're a little less deep in some of those rotations, guys will have to step in.”



Akinola needs to step up now

[Ultra & Proud]

ACL is a year long thing

Issue often is an injury that follows the ACL from not rehabbing properly.

What I find very interesting is Vanney as much as said that they were looking at Achara as a key player moving forward.

https://www.torontofc.ca/post/2020/07/03/vanney-preaches-unity-ahead-orlando-arrival-be-responsible-control-things-we-can




Akinola needs to step up now

Highly doubt that. It's Piatti time.

[OgtheDim]

Not just an ACL :(


LCL tear at the same time in the same knee

https://www.torontofc.ca/post/2020/07/09/ifunanyachi-achara-undergoes-successful-surgery

[kuku]

What does everyone think of this?


Roger Gonzalez (https://twitter.com/RGonzalezCBS)@RGonzalezCBS (https://twitter.com/RGonzalezCBS)

(https://twitter.com/RGonzalezCBS)Hearing there is serious interest coming from the Middle East in Toronto FC and #USMNT (https://twitter.com/hashtag/USMNT?src=hashtag_click) striker Jozy Altidore.

[Ultra & Proud]

What does everyone think of this?


Roger Gonzalez (https://twitter.com/RGonzalezCBS)@RGonzalezCBS (https://twitter.com/RGonzalezCBS)

(https://twitter.com/RGonzalezCBS)Hearing there is serious interest coming from the Middle East in Toronto FC and #USMNT (https://twitter.com/hashtag/USMNT?src=hashtag_click) striker Jozy Altidore.


I don't think we would force him out the door if he didn't want to go and I doubt he would want to go there.

[OgtheDim]

I think rumours are a stock in trade for journos in August.

[rydermike]

What does everyone think of this?


Roger Gonzalez (https://twitter.com/RGonzalezCBS)@RGonzalezCBS (https://twitter.com/RGonzalezCBS)

(https://twitter.com/RGonzalezCBS)Hearing there is serious interest coming from the Middle East in Toronto FC and #USMNT (https://twitter.com/hashtag/USMNT?src=hashtag_click) striker Jozy Altidore.



Given Giovinco and Victor Vazquez weren't all that happy, I'm positive Jozy won't be interested. It's not like he needs to follow the money there, he has a very well paid contract here, plus his fiance Sloane Stephens makes plenty of money in tennis.

[MikeForbes]

A divorce between Jozy and TFC seems likely, but I doubt the middle east is a place Jozy would enjoy living/playing.

[Yohan]

Jozy will be 31 in Nov.

As much as he's been good when healthy for TFC, I think if another team wants to take Jozy off our hands, you do it.

Eventually he needs to get replaced.

[rydermike]

Julian Dunn loaned to CPL Valour FC

[Red CB Toronto]

Julian Dunn loaned to CPL Valour FC

With TFC II sitting out the 2020 USL League One season due to pandemic restrictions this makes sense for the Reds to loan out players to CPL sides. Dante Campbell has also been loaned to Valour and Terique Mohammed to FC Edmonton. It will be good to see them get some playing time during these uncertain times.

[rydermike]

Nyal Higgins (2020 draft pick signed to TFCII) loaned to team in Sweden's third tier.

[Richard]

What's the point of loaning a player to a third tier league in Sweden? Wouldn't it be better to have them in North America without the need for the player to acclimate to a completely foreign environment. Once you get to 3rd tier it might as well be a beer league.

[rydermike]

What's the point of loaning a player to a third tier league in Sweden? Wouldn't it be better to have them in North America without the need for the player to acclimate to a completely foreign environment. Once you get to 3rd tier it might as well be a beer league.

I'm guessing they couldn't get him on a CPL team and and preferred sending him across the Atlantic rather than to the COVID-plagued USA. League1 Ontario (he played at Vaughan Azzurri in the summers) also doesn't look like it is going to have a season.

[Mikmacdo]

What's the point of loaning a player to a third tier league in Sweden? Wouldn't it be better to have them in North America without the need for the player to acclimate to a completely foreign environment. Once you get to 3rd tier it might as well be a beer league.
Orlandos starting CB Jansen played in the third tier of sweden before playing one year in the top flight and looks really good.

[Red CB Toronto]

Rocco Romeo landed in Copenhagan, Denmark earlier this morning. Wonder if the Reds have lined up another loan for him after he previously played HB Koge last year.

[Phil744]

After processing our results in the MLS is Back tourney I have finally come around to replacing Jozy, I would always defend him with the amount of productivity he brings when he plays at a goal per every two games average. But with all the injuries and his age now caught up to him its time to move on and take any offer or trade we can get. If we want to continue to reach finals and win trophy's we need a replacement for Jozy and even morrow at this point at LB we don't even have a natural back up for LB.

Just my Thoughts......

[langilleski]

Romeo out on loan to HB Koge, where he played in the past.
https://twitter.com/hbkogedk/status/1293949708986130432

[gracos]

do we expect it to be a quiet transfer window for TFC??

[MikeForbes]

do we expect it to be a quiet transfer window for TFC??

I wouldn't expect much unless Altidore leaves, but I can see that being more of an off-season transfer. Maybe bring in some very cheap depth for the back line.

[Bushmancan]

After processing our results in the MLS is Back tourney I have finally come around to replacing Jozy, I would always defend him with the amount of productivity he brings when he plays at a goal per every two games average. But with all the injuries and his age now caught up to him its time to move on and take any offer or trade we can get. If we want to continue to reach finals and win trophy's we need a replacement for Jozy and even morrow at this point at LB we don't even have a natural back up for LB.

Just my Thoughts......


I am starting to be of the same mind unfortunately but I believe there has to be more. I truly don’t understand Vanney’s apparent reluctance to put him in both in Seattle and MLS is Back. Something has changed from the warrior who gave everything and played injured. What I really would like to know, is the org just being overly careful, or there is a rift between Vanney and Jozy or Jozy says he isn’t ready but we are a much better team with him in the field.

if it does come to that it will be inexcusable not to bring in another DP striker.

[Yohan]

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2020/08/15/toronto-fc-prospect-signs-freiburg-another-reportedly-has-interest

Another Academy kid signs for an European kid. I don't know if TFC got any compensation

[Red CB Toronto]

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2020/08/15/toronto-fc-prospect-signs-freiburg-another-reportedly-has-interest

Another Academy kid signs for an European kid. I don't know if TFC got any compensation

Plus not surprised Jordan is getting lots of Euro interest. According to another Friday report, this time from ESPN's Tom Hamilton (https://www.espn.com/soccer/soccer-transfers/story/4159296/live-transfer-talk-man-united-expect-sancho-battle-with-real-madrid-and-barcelona), forward Jordan Perruzza is attracting European suitors, including Portsmouth, Brentford, Watford, QPR and Middlesbrough, in addition to clubs in Germany and Italy. Several English Premier League sides are also reportedly interested in the 19-year-old, but a move to the EPL would be complicated by quarantine rules requiring the player to spend multiple weeks in the country before he would be able to go on trial.

[reggie]

i really dont understand what tfc are doing with the academy,they dont seem to want to sell and they dont want to play them either,perfect example is Fraser.

[noimpactinmtl]

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2020/08/15/toronto-fc-prospect-signs-freiburg-another-reportedly-has-interest

Another Academy kid signs for an European kid. I don't know if TFC got any compensation

That depends on the contract situation. If the kid didn’t get a professional contract, there’s nothing we can do other than hope the parent club is generous with a sell-on clause.

[ag futbol]

Based on some cursory evidence, seems like he was with the Freiburg academy for a period after leaving TFCA... so maybe this is a full first team deal? From what I understand this is Canada’s second best prospect at that age group, closely after Marshall—Rutty.

I wonder if Perruzza has held out for contract negotiations with an eye to being sold. Otherwise, it seems crazy he isn’t already garnering some consideration around the first team. His track record speaks for itself.

Now if only Canada could produce a single starting quality CB.

[James17930]

I like that we're doing stuff. Loaning, selling. All good for the future.

[Phil744]

Victor Vazquez joins club in Belgium.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CEB2IapqrE_/?igshid=9yjj7yiyvoa7

[OgtheDim]

He looks almost as old as the guy on the other end of the shirt :(

[rydermike]

Victor Vazquez joins club in Belgium.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CEB2IapqrE_/?igshid=9yjj7yiyvoa7

He didn't enjoy his time in Qatar, now he joins a team sponsored by Qatar Airways.

Love the irony there

[OgtheDim]

Kloke has an article about youth & TFC today

Paywall

https://theathletic.com/2004064/2020/08/18/starting-over-can-tfc-find-the-recipe-for-a-rebuild-in-a-strange-mls-season/

[Areathrasher]

He didn't enjoy his time in Qatar, now he joins a team sponsored by Qatar Airways.

Love the irony there
The club he signed for is owned by Qatar lol. Its their farm team in Europe for Aspire academy players IIRC.

Edit:
"In June 2012, the club was purchased by the government of Qatar and its Aspire Zone Foundation, who also own Paris Saint-Germain. Aspire Academy announced their intent use the club as a launching pad into European football for its academy graduates from Africa, South America and Asia"

[MikeForbes]

Kloke is a good writer and all, he just has a really weird obsession with TFC rebuilding like they play in the NHL. Bringing players through the academy is absolutely essential, I agree. However, TFC has the ability to spend and they always will to keep this team a contender. They are not going to play some mediocre academy defender over Omar Gonzalez or Chris Mavinga just because they are younger and Canadian.

If someone like Nelson comes in and out performs the starter at his position, he will be integrated and play every day until Europe comes calling. Marky Delgado and Jonathan Osorio had to really work for their spots and the kids in the academy need to aswell. No handing out spots just to get younger.

[Lil'John]

Eupen is a very, very small Belgian club...a long way off Genk (Poz) or Gent (Jonathan David).
BTW: They may be showing David's first game for LOSC on TV5 this Saturday.

[James17930]

Victor Vazquez joins club in Belgium.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CEB2IapqrE_/?igshid=9yjj7yiyvoa7

Oh man. I thought for sure he was coming back here.

He even looks sad in the picture.

:( :( :(

[Initial B]

Bringing players through the academy is absolutely essential, I agree. However, TFC has the ability to spend and they always will to keep this team a contender. They are not going to play some mediocre academy defender over Omar Gonzalez or Chris Mavinga just because they are younger and Canadian.
TFC needs to aggressively loan out players to CPL clubs to get them experience and playing time. It would be a win-win as it would help CPL clubs to provide quality players under budget and help develop U21 players.

[MikeForbes]

TFC needs to aggressively loan out players to CPL clubs to get them experience and playing time. It would be a win-win as it would help CPL clubs to provide quality players under budget and help develop U21 players.

Agreed. A player like Jayden Nelson absolutely needs to get out and play regular minutes in that environment. I just have no idea what the CPL's plan is after this tourny.

[Mikmacdo]

Agreed. A player like Jayden Nelson absolutely needs to get out and play regular minutes in that environment. I just have no idea what the CPL's plan is after this tourny.

This is it for the cpl.

[noxx98]

TFC signs Jordan Perruzza. There had been rumours that european teams were interested in bringing him over. From last week:

https://content.invisioncic.com/l286123/monthly_2020_08/4D72E5F9-2AB7-492A-870C-06E8064E2C1F.jpeg.f42e3ca0dae561b93f958993a281512d .jpeg

[rydermike]

Jordan Peruzza's MLS contract is effective as of January 1, 2021. So he won't join the first team this season
https://www.torontofc.ca/post/2020/08/20/toronto-fc-sign-forward-jordan-perruzza

[OgtheDim]

Hmmm....the small forward / wing position growth continues. 4-3-3 / 4-2-3-1 is going to be our staple for a while

[noimpactinmtl]

Hmmm....the small forward / wing position growth continues. 4-3-3 / 4-2-3-1 is going to be our staple for a while

4-3-3 IMO is the best formation. You get width and a numerical advantage in midfield.

[SirBobSaget]

So whats up with Griffin Dorsey? 6th overall pick on a GA contract yet no where near the bench. Back in the day a GA contract meant a top prospect. These days they seem to be practice squad guys on big contracts.

[Ultra & Proud]

So whats up with Griffin Dorsey? 6th overall pick on a GA contract yet no where near the bench. Back in the day a GA contract meant a top prospect. These days they seem to be practice squad guys on big contracts.
Think they're taking time converting him to FB. They should do the same for Schaff too.

[rydermike]

Converting him to full back could be a good idea. With Morrow aging and Morgan gone, we're in need of some depth there

[OgtheDim]

Not coming back this year but....Achara moving forward

https://twitter.com/AcharaIfy10/status/1297969417687531522

[Red CB Toronto]

From training today, anyone know who this is, from TFC2 etc?

https://scontent.fybz2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/118042765_401858077445448_7065473742282523518_n.jp g?_nc_cat=101&_nc_sid=b96e70&_nc_ohc=CMfLkcivOZgAX8cRuXi&_nc_ht=scontent.fybz2-1.fna&oh=ce9090646949d24cc7f0bd7c4aae5d2e&oe=5F69678F

[rydermike]

From training today, anyone know who this is, from TFC2 etc?



That's Jahkeele Marshall-Rutty, our 16 year old Homegrown player on a first-team contract. He just got a haircut. Jayden Nelson in the background.

[Red CB Toronto]

That's Jahkeele Marshall-Rutty, our 16 year old Homegrown player on a first-team contract. He just got a haircut. Jayden Nelson in the background.

Ok cool, its the hair cut for Jahkeele that threw me off.

[Bushmancan]

Not coming back this year but....Achara moving forward

https://twitter.com/AcharaIfy10/status/1297969417687531522

By far the biggest loss for us this year. I like Akinola but Achara gave us a genuine 2nd First team striker threat.

[PaceyWinger]

i like achara as well but is akinola not a genuine threat?

[Bushmancan]

i like achara as well but is akinola not a genuine threat?


Just my opinion, I think he may get there and he was great in the MLS Cup but there was something about Achara that felt special, can't exactly put my finger on it. But you know one of those players that defenders know they need to keep an eye on.

[kuku]

​So this guy is now available:

Lionel Messi has informed Barcelona he wishes to leave the club this summer.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgSGp6wXkAACYPm?format=jpg&name=medium

[MikeForbes]

Think we can get him for a max TAM deal?

[RedsYNWA]

No thanks he is 33 and too short for MLS

:hide:

[Yohan]

​So this guy is now available:

Lionel Messi has informed Barcelona he wishes to leave the club this summer.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgSGp6wXkAACYPm?format=jpg&name=medium
already rumours of being linked to Inter Miami and Beckham

[James17930]

already rumours of being linked to Inter Miami and Beckham

That would be my best guess too.

[Lil'John]

i like achara as well but is akinola not a genuine threat?

I think Achara and Akinola have different roles. I'm not sure you can compare them. Akinola is a classic centre forward. Achara comes in from the flanks.

[Phil744]

After ManCity contract he could join NYCFC...

https://www.espn.com/soccer/soccer-transfers/story/4167274/man-citys-messi-contract-could-include-new-york-city-fc-clause-sources

[Blizzard]

By far the biggest loss for us this year. I like Akinola but Achara gave us a genuine 2nd First team striker threat.

At the pre-season LA friendly, Achara looked like he belonged on the first team! He was #2 behind Jozy IMO but his injury opened the door for Akinola. It's going to be great to see those two battle for minutes.

[Phil744]

This is a column from ESPN regarding Altidore pursuing the ownership of RSL and if it happens he would also need to play for them.

https://www.espn.com/soccer/real-salt-lake/story/4170008/dell-loy-hansen-to-sell-real-salt-lakeutah-royals (https://www.espn.com/soccer/real-salt-lake/story/4170008/dell-loy-hansen-to-sell-real-salt-lakeutah-royals)


I think Altidore would have to end up playing for (https://www.espn.com/soccer/real-salt-lake/story/4170008/dell-loy-hansen-to-sell-real-salt-lakeutah-royals)#RSL
https://abs.twimg.com/hashflags/MLS2020_RSL/MLS2020_RSL.png
(https://twitter.com/hashtag/RSL?src=hashtag_click). But I’m checking on the particulars.

[Bushmancan]

This is a column from ESPN regarding Altidore pursuing the ownership of RSL and if it happens he would also need to play for them.

https://www.espn.com/soccer/real-salt-lake/story/4170008/dell-loy-hansen-to-sell-real-salt-lakeutah-royals (https://www.espn.com/soccer/real-salt-lake/story/4170008/dell-loy-hansen-to-sell-real-salt-lakeutah-royals)


I think Altidore would have to end up playing for (https://www.espn.com/soccer/real-salt-lake/story/4170008/dell-loy-hansen-to-sell-real-salt-lakeutah-royals)#RSL
https://abs.twimg.com/hashflags/MLS2020_RSL/MLS2020_RSL.png
(https://twitter.com/hashtag/RSL?src=hashtag_click). But I’m checking on the particulars.

Ok, who/what do we demand in compensation for losing Jozy ... fun speculation. Let's have at it.

[MikeForbes]

Ok, who/what do we demand in compensation for losing Jozy ... fun speculation. Let's have at it.

I would imagine TFC and Jozy would mutually terminate his contract and Altidore would sign for a TAM deal for RSL (with some extra ownership perks to supplement the contract).

[rydermike]

Ok, who/what do we demand in compensation for losing Jozy ... fun speculation. Let's have at it.


Probably just a draft pick. Maybe some GAM

[MikeForbes]

The fun side of if Jozy leaves... Searching Twitter for rumors about a new DP.

[jabbronies]

The fun side of if Jozy leaves... Searching Twitter for rumors about a new DP.

Just in time for Messi

[Bushmancan]

I would say Cavani that would be sick but maybe we need another younger player that needs some spotlight to get on their national team like Gio did. Can’t get regular starting on a big club but still is pretty amazing.

[OgtheDim]

Yup, last night proved to me that this team is in transition out of Altidore & Bradley. I'm ok with a Pozuelo led team & see hope in Akinola & Achara. Altidore can still contribute at a DP level but he is mentally not here right now & getting up there. I think he operates better with a strike partner but how to do that with Poz as an AM and us only having 2 decent CB's is not easy.

I have large questions about who our second DP should be. Bradley is still overly relied upon & as much as I like Piatti, he's up there in age to.


Needs?

3rd CB
Another FB
Left wing pace
Define a second DP for the long term
Find that young 3rd DP to fit in somewhere

[Phil744]

Disappointing result last night Pezo & Piatti cant do shenanigans like that on a penalty when Pezo is automatic from the spot. Aswell you dont do stuff like that when you are losing a DERBY game come on. Vanney better of gave them both shit at half or after the game.

As per Delgado it seems like every game somone on the team gives him a wide open shot on goal in or just outside the box and he cant even hit the goal getting very frustrating.

Jozy should be disappointed in his performance tonight so many chances Pezo gave him and he didn't finish aswell as control chances from passes he couldn't keep. He even still does not look 90 mins ready after how along now months.

[Joe Kool]

Yup, last night proved to me that this team is in transition out of Altidore & Bradley. I'm ok with a Pozuelo led team & see hope in Akinola & Achara. Altidore can still contribute at a DP level but he is mentally not here right now & getting up there. I think he operates better with a strike partner but how to do that with Poz as an AM and us only having 2 decent CB's is not easy.

I have large questions about who our second DP should be. Bradley is still overly relied upon & as much as I like Piatti, he's up there in age to.


Needs?

3rd CB
Another FB
Left wing pace
Define a second DP for the long term
Find that young 3rd DP to fit in somewhere

I agree with all your points and your list of needs for the team. Even though Piatti is up there in age if he continues to be dangerous like he has been in most games I would ride that out a bit. Who knows. Bradley slowing down is evident to most of us and the TFC staff too I am sure but you are right, we still rely on him too much and they need to get a plan in place for that. He is a great leader but when your body slows down with age there is nothing you can do about it. Altidore has checked out mentally this entire season. Respect for him for what he did for us in the past but I wouldn't mind a DP now that can play every game and do 90 minutes if needed which Altidore does neither these days.

[DinamoTFC]

I love Altidore and what he has done for us but I also agree I think its time for him to move on from us. He's gotten way to comfortable and barely has any motivation left to run on the field. It also looks like our style of play completely leaves him out of the game so in that sense a more dynamic forward would be beneficial to us.

Delgado needs to be transitioned to a substitution role. It's remarkable how many good opportunities he gets and cant ever make a shot on target let alone a goal.

[jabbronies]

Yup, last night proved to me that this team is in transition out of Altidore & Bradley. I'm ok with a Pozuelo led team & see hope in Akinola & Achara. Altidore can still contribute at a DP level but he is mentally not here right now & getting up there. I think he operates better with a strike partner but how to do that with Poz as an AM and us only having 2 decent CB's is not easy.

I have large questions about who our second DP should be. Bradley is still overly relied upon & as much as I like Piatti, he's up there in age to.


Needs?

3rd CB
Another FB
Left wing pace
Define a second DP for the long term
Find that young 3rd DP to fit in somewhere

I do see a straight swap Altidore for Achara - I don't see a transition issue there - I just don't think Achara can make up for that drive that Jozy can have when he wants to. But I don't think we need a DP to replace Jozy. We proved we can make it to a finals without him - but we couldn't win one without him - so there's that - this is where Pozuelo needs to step up and prove he's a winner. not just a flashy player.

I don't think this will be a Pozuelo led team. He's not mature enough to be the leader of this club. But if this piatti partnership continues to bear fruit, look for a DP signing of similar style once Piatti's wheels fall off. Maybe this is that young DP you mentioned? Someone that will allow Poz to succeed. So yes, maybe the attack is built around Poz's needs to be successful, but he won't be captain.

Look for another Bradley type leader to be one of our future DPs - either in the same position or if they can't find that - a CB.
I see the next 2 years being a club that will pad supporting pieces around Bradley to make up for his deficiencies. Hopefully in that time we find a leader that can take over the reins.

Love him or hate - Bradley had been a vital - if not the most important - piece in our success. The guy is a leader of men. Someone who was able to manage many different egos, skill levels, personalities throughout the years. Locker room divides and breakdowns were not thing during his time with the club - and the small flare ups that did happen (GvW) were extinguished quickly and they were still able to find success afterwards (a cup run).

The current TFC work ethic and mentality is MB4. Players that come in, adapt to what he feels is the right attitude for a professional wearing our badge.
So replacing him is going to be extremely difficult.

[reggie]

im not really invested in this season,and i dont think the club will make any changes this season,but going forward,they have to get younger faster and have to add a bit more bite to the roster.

[ag futbol]

I love Altidore and what he has done for us but I also agree I think its time for him to move on from us. He's gotten way to comfortable and barely has any motivation left to run on the field. It also looks like our style of play completely leaves him out of the game so in that sense a more dynamic forward would be beneficial to us.

Delgado needs to be transitioned to a substitution role. It's remarkable how many good opportunities he gets and cant ever make a shot on target let alone a goal.
I like to think of it as:

Delgado in the defensive third: good
Delgado in the midfield third: great
Delgado in the attacking third: are we playing down a man?

[Ultra & Proud]

I like to think of it as:

Delgado in the defensive third: good
Delgado in the midfield third: great
Delgado in the attacking third: are we playing down a man?
If it was strictly drilled into him "THOU SHALT NOT SHOOT" then he'd be fine.

[MikeForbes]

Delgado is gonna score a crazy long shot this season and then miss the net from 4 yards away in the same game. I can already see it.

[Red CB Toronto]

im not really invested in this season,and i dont think the club will make any changes this season,but going forward,they have to get younger faster and have to add a bit more bite to the roster.

Can changes/additions happen before January outside of those who floating around on the street? The transfer window for anyone outside of the Euro big boys will be interesting times. We at this point do not even know what form phase 2 will take for the Reds, will they be based at RBA like it has been reported. This is the year where you could win a MLS Cup under very strange circumstances.

[Mikmacdo]

It boggles my mind that we used tam money for Erickson gallardo. he scored 1 goal in 15 games in the 2019 season in Venezuela. Marco Bustos is a better player who TFC could have signed for free. Hell Telfer did more in like five minutes for TFC past season.

[Rocket Robin]

TFC II loans out two non-Canadian players to American USL teams:
Goalie Eric Klenofsky
https://www.torontofc.ca/post/2020/09/02/toronto-fc-ii-loan-eric-klenofsky-tacoma-defiance (https://www.torontofc.ca/post/2020/09/02/toronto-fc-ii-loan-eric-klenofsky-tacoma-defiance) USL Championship level
midfielder
https://www.torontofc.ca/post/2020/09/02/toronto-fc-ii-loan-adolfo-ovalle-forward-madison-fc USL League One (same level as TFC II)
Unlike the Canadians loaned to Canadian Premier League teams, these players are going to American teams. My idea is they will be in the USA so when Toronto FC starts playing US MLS teams, they can be called up to whatever US city TFC is stationed in. Remember larger rosters so they at least can be on the bench.

[MightyDM]

Yup, last night proved to me that this team is in transition out of Altidore & Bradley. I'm ok with a Pozuelo led team & see hope in Akinola & Achara. Altidore can still contribute at a DP level but he is mentally not here right now & getting up there. I think he operates better with a strike partner but how to do that with Poz as an AM and us only having 2 decent CB's is not easy.

I have large questions about who our second DP should be. Bradley is still overly relied upon & as much as I like Piatti, he's up there in age to.


Needs?

3rd CB
Another FB
Left wing pace
Define a second DP for the long term
Find that young 3rd DP to fit in somewhere

I think they have planned for Oso to be MB's replacement and based on the early season it works.

[MightyDM]

I love Altidore and what he has done for us but I also agree I think its time for him to move on from us. He's gotten way to comfortable and barely has any motivation left to run on the field. It also looks like our style of play completely leaves him out of the game so in that sense a more dynamic forward would be beneficial to us.

Delgado needs to be transitioned to a substitution role. It's remarkable how many good opportunities he gets and cant ever make a shot on target let alone a goal.

Delgado would be valuable trade material, very valuable indeed. Home grown, does the dirty work.

[69Chevy396]

I was watching the TFC practice this morning. Bradley was not on the field (I was there for just 15 min), and Akinola as training on his own on the adjacent field.

[Red CB Toronto]

I was watching the TFC practice this morning. Bradley was not on the field (I was there for just 15 min), and Akinola as training on his own on the adjacent field.

The General is out for a few week.

[Red CB Toronto]

With The General out for a few weeks with a grad 2 MCL strain this will be another opportunity for Liam to get some extended minutes, hope he takes advantage of it in what will be a pair crucial pair of road games for the Reds in a short time span. It will be key here to have Poz and Jozy on the same page here.

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2020/09/03/toronto-fc-captain-michael-bradley-sidelined-grade-2-mcl-strain (https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2020/09/03/toronto-fc-captain-michael-bradley-sidelined-grade-2-mcl-strain)

[Ultra & Proud]

Doubt Fraser gets much time in there. Osorio was better in Bradley's spot earlier this year than Fraser.

[OgtheDim]

I think they have planned for Oso to be MB's replacement and based on the early season it works.`

Yeah, who'd a thunk it - makes me wonder if he can transition to that with the CanMNT to and what that would do for 2026.

[MikeForbes]

Our best midfield this year was Osorio-Delgado-Pozuelo.

[MightyDM]

The General is out for a few week.

Only a yellow through. Sure.

[DinamoTFC]

Our best midfield this year was Osorio-Delgado-Pozuelo.


Yup, with Fraser and Deleon coming on to rotate/sub.

[ag futbol]

`

Yeah, who'd a thunk it - makes me wonder if he can transition to that with the CanMNT to and what that would do for 2026.My preference would be something like Kaye-Osorio-Eustaquio. The third is more defensive in nature while the other two are perfectly capable of playing 2-way. Against better opposition that team loses the plot when it the shape in midfield falls apart.

It is a bit of a rubric cube of a player pool to shoehorn a lineup out of. You have more forwards than you can fit on a roster and a paper thin pool of central defenders.

[portu]

I think they have planned for Oso to be MB's replacement and based on the early season it works.
It would seem silly to earmark a player for that role when they are so open about their desire to play Attacking Midfield and earned a TAM contract off the back of a 20 goal season.

[Ultra & Proud]

It would seem silly to earmark a player for that role when they are so open about their desire to play Attacking Midfield and earned a TAM contract off the back of a 20 goal season.
He might have the desire to be an AM but he isn't good enough. It's an important position and you can get better.

[MightyDM]

It would seem silly to earmark a player for that role when they are so open about their desire to play Attacking Midfield and earned a TAM contract off the back of a 20 goal season.

AM is Poz. I think Oso can do it very well, but not to the level of a DP - if it isn't Poz it will be likely be someone else who comes on a DP ticket.

You are right. I didn't contemplate Oso being a DM either, but he really looked very good indeed when MB was not there - it might be a good transition for him

[portu]

He might have the desire to be an AM but he isn't good enough. It's an important position and you can get better.
Disagree. I think he’s good enough to play the role and would at other clubs where the AM isn’t one of the best in the league.

[MightyDM]

Disagree. I think he’s good enough to play the role and would at other clubs where the AM isn’t one of the best in the league.

He certainly is playing very well. No question.

[OgtheDim]

Oso captain tonight too

[Yohan]

Oso captain tonight too
I think Oso is going to be an one club man. Red for life

[MikeForbes]

I think Oso is going to be an one club man. Red for life

Hope so. Wasn't always a big Oso fan, but he has won me over.

[OgtheDim]

This team was designed for one big push in 2020.

Could still do some damage.

But there has to be turnover into next season.

I don't think we make a move during this transfer window.

But the 2015-2018 days are over.

I suspect there is going to be a lot of pain next season as this team transitions to the next phase. Lots of MLS teams talk about seemlessly moving as a dynasty from one group to the next. Yet to see any body actually do it.

[Bushmancan]

This team was designed for one big push in 2020.

Could still do some damage.

But there has to be turnover into next season.

I don't think we make a move during this transfer window.

But the 2015-2018 days are over.

I suspect there is going to be a lot of pain next season as this team transitions to the next phase. Lots of MLS teams talk about seemlessly moving as a dynasty from one group to the next. Yet to see any body actually do it.


Seattle....

this was my one fear with Ali Curtis coming in, relying on building from within too much, look at the NYRB decline. it only works in this league if you augment it with some true quality DPs and very solid TAMs. The Bradley move was smart but that was as much MB as anyone else. Make no bones about it, he hates to lose.

Build from within gets you your depth and surprise gems and it is absolutely necessary for the growth in North America but there is no reason for TFC to go into full re-build. We have a good base, find the missing pieces and implement. But you must do both.

Not saying this because it was a loss but we also need a fire lit under the players. Is that internal team leadership or is it coaching.

[NK Toronto]

We badly need a quality and reliable Striker. Would have liked to get Cavallini. Is there a way to get rid of Jozy's contract? What do MLS rules permit for contract buy-outs?

[Ultra & Proud]

We badly need a quality and reliable Striker. Would have liked to get Cavallini. Is there a way to get rid of Jozy's contract? What do MLS rules permit for contract buy-outs?

Still think the Whitecaps overpaid Cavallini. I think for that money you could get better.

[ag futbol]

Still think the Whitecaps overpaid Cavallini. I think for that money you could get better.
We could, Vancouver... not so much.

[MikeForbes]

Ah, just go get Edinson Cavani for a couple seasons.

[Yohan]

Still think the Whitecaps overpaid Cavallini. I think for that money you could get better.

Eh. Imagine what Cavallini could do with the service he would get at TFC. You dont last in Liga MX as a foreigner striker if you suck.

[Ultra & Proud]

Eh. Imagine what Cavallini could do with the service he would get at TFC. You dont last in Liga MX as a foreigner striker if you suck.

Yeah but he's on more than Martinez and not far off Vela. He won't be in that league in MLS.

[Ultra & Proud]

To follow up my Cavallini comment; any forward or attacking mid signed for $6M or above should be somewhere in the conversation of league MVP or at least be on the Golden Boot race list yearly. I don't see Cavallini at that level.

But I also haven't seen Altidore on that list and don't see him ever getting on it so we're doing no better.

[Red CB Toronto]

Jordan Perruzza, who recently signed a first team contract that takes affect for the 2021 season has been loaned to San Antonio of USL Championship for the rest of their 2020 season.

[ag futbol]

To follow up my Cavallini comment; any forward or attacking mid signed for $6M or above should be somewhere in the conversation of league MVP or at least be on the Golden Boot race list yearly. I don't see Cavallini at that level.

But I also haven't seen Altidore on that list and don't see him ever getting on it so we're doing no better.
Is 6 millions his actual salary though? I thought they paid a 6 million dollar fee and his salary was on the high end but nowhere near 6.

Good for him for getting that contract if that’s actually what they paid.