2019-2020 General TFC/MLS Banter (no transfer/roster discussion)

[Oldtimer]

This thread is a catch-all for general banter not specifically related to transfer rumours.

[Mikmacdo]

Terrence boyd with a potential goal of the year.

[rydermike]

Terrence boyd with a potential goal of the year.

Wow.

https://streamable.com/elxiu

[Richard]

That tier 3 German club has more fans in the stadium than some MLS teams. Wow.

[PizzaEatingYeti]

That tier 3 German club has more fans in the stadium than some MLS teams. Wow.

Very nice looking stadium too!

[Oldtimer]

That tier 3 German club has more fans in the stadium than some MLS teams. Wow.

Yet until the 1970's gymnastics was Germany's major sport and football was a niche interest, despite the 1950's WC win. The Bundesliga had restrictions on players, teams, and salaries, which were dropped as its popularity grew.

My dream is that our MLS and CPL teams end up playing games in full stadiums. If Germany, why not us?

[NK Toronto]

Yet until the 1970's gymnastics was Germany's major sport and football was a niche interest, despite the 1950's WC win. The Bundesliga had restrictions on players, teams, and salaries, which were dropped as its popularity grew.

My dream is that our MLS and CPL teams end up playing games in full stadiums. If Germany, why not us?

It would be nice but I don't see it happening any time soon. Soccer still has a very limited following here.

[Oldtimer]

It would be nice but I don't see it happening any time soon. Soccer still has a very limited following here.

I agree, I don't see it soon. It took 30+ years in Germany. Would it be possible for 2036? 2046? I don't know.

[OgtheDim]

Funny you talk about this on the anniversary of probably the best domestic soccer game ever in Canada, watched by millions.

[ensco]

Yet until the 1970's gymnastics was Germany's major sport and football was a niche interest, despite the 1950's WC win. The Bundesliga had restrictions on players, teams, and salaries, which were dropped as its popularity grew.

My dream is that our MLS and CPL teams end up playing games in full stadiums. If Germany, why not us?

This is not true. Soccer passed gymnastics in Germany in the 1920s or 1930s. Do you have any idea how massive West Germany’s World Cup win in 1954 is in German national consciousness even today?

What held the Bundesliga back postwar was lack of money or stadiums. Only Stuttgart had a proper stadium and they drew 97,000 there for a game against Switzerland in 1950 (still near the top of all time German attendance for a game). By the mid 1950s there was more money, and there were more stadiums. Once Frankfurt had the Waldstadion they drew 70,000+ for big games, those kinds of gates enabled them to become a dominant team in that era. Once Hamburg rebuilt their stadium, they got 87,000 for a European Cup game against Barcelona in 1960.

This is all laid out in an excellent book about the history of German soccer, Tor.

[Oldtimer]

^ that book is probably much better researched than what I've read, and yes I'm well aware of how much the 1954 win sticks in the German consciousness (although it was called a "miracle" for a reason). It certainly does with us from a Hungarian background to because the German win over Hungary was accomplished with some refereeing controversy! That's how the game goes. (For the history of Europe politically and also for football overall it's probably best that Germany won because the 1956 revolution ended Hungary's dominance while Germany has long-term contributed to the game).

The idea that football surpassed gymnastics in the 1930's is a bit of a stretch (how do you measure it?), gymnastics was quite an important sport in Germany, it was highly supported by the Nazis (and later the communists in East Germany) and there's a lot of Olympic medals to prove it's ongoing popularity in the decades following WWII.

[Prof]

Wow.

https://streamable.com/elxiu
Wow is right. What a beauty. Very nice compact stadium too.

[jabbronies]

Terrence boyd with a potential goal of the year.

Maybe if he took his CCL PKs from that far out it would've hit the target.

[Canary10]

So apparently the 2020 schedule will have some teams not playing each other in order to stay at 34 games. MLS is chasing expansion fees at the expense of the game imo.

[Voodooman]

Oh I don't like the sounds of that.

[Ultra & Proud]

So apparently the 2020 schedule will have some teams not playing each other in order to stay at 34 games. MLS is chasing expansion fees at the expense of the game imo.
Yup. Only 10 matches against the 13 teams in the opposing conference. One year stop gap. Gets switched again next year and then again the year after. Be good to have the schedule settled once and for all but it seems a ways away.

[PizzaEatingYeti]

So apparently the 2020 schedule will have some teams not playing each other in order to stay at 34 games. MLS is chasing expansion fees at the expense of the game imo.

That is horrible.
It's totally unfair in order to determine the Supporter's shield winner, or even the teams qualified for the playoffs.
Like for example one team can play one of the 2 stronger teams from the other conference, and another one 2 weaker teams - now how the hell the final classification of such teams compared to each other is standing on fair grounds???

[TFC1154ever]

I think it’s x2 matches against teams in your conference, and you play 9 of the 13 teams from the other conference once.

Once you get to 30, there will be a way to play everyone once, and your division twice (5 divisions of 6 teams).

[DavemTFC]

24 teams was as good a number as they could have had for a fair schedule, I would have liked to at least see the league stick to this number for a couple years but y'know expansion fees and growing the game, etc

It'll be interesting to see what happens when the expansion stops. I imagine there will be pressure for more Precourt-like attempts to move struggling teams and try new markets out

[James17930]

Plus they put Nashville in the Western Conf.

Stupid.

[rydermike]

Just found out Ottawa Fury has folded for 2020, apparently due to licensing issues. Maybe they'll be CPL bound in 2021

[Canary10]

Plus they put Nashville in the Western Conf.

Stupid.

So Nashville and Cincinnati may not even play each other. Makes for a good Rivalry Week.

[benito]

Just found out Ottawa Fury has folded for 2020, apparently due to licensing issues. Maybe they'll be CPL bound in 2021

Hopefully they will be in the CPL sooner than later. Franchise stability is needed to to continue the growth of Canadian soccer.

[James17930]

So Nashville and Cincinnati may not even play each other. Makes for a good Rivalry Week.

I think you mean Nashville and Atlanta.

And yes, while it is possible that could happen if the computer spits it out that way, I'm sure they'll tweak it to ensure they get one game against each other.

Upon reflection, I feel like there wasn't really much else they could have done this year. The reason is that Sacramento and Austin are coming in next year; they will both go to the West, and Nashville will move over to the East. The only other option to keep the conferences balanced would have been to have Nashville be in the east, then move Chicago to the West for just this year, then move them back next year. That seems impossible to do for an established club; it seems somehow more amenable to a new club just entering the league.

So yes, this year will seem a bit weird, but everything will be fine next year. Now, after that, when St. Louis joins, then who knows ... I guess there'll be one more club coming in the same year to balance it out again. Phoenix? Vegas?

[Bushmancan]

So Nashville and Cincinnati may not even play each other. Makes for a good Rivalry Week.

If we are lucky enough to get an away game against Nashville, sounds like a roadtrip

[Canary10]

I think you mean Nashville and Atlanta.

And yes, while it is possible that could happen if the computer spits it out that way, I'm sure they'll tweak it to ensure they get one game against each other.

Upon reflection, I feel like there wasn't really much else they could have done this year. The reason is that Sacramento and Austin are coming in next year; they will both go to the West, and Nashville will move over to the East. The only other option to keep the conferences balanced would have been to have Nashville be in the east, then move Chicago to the West for just this year, then move them back next year. That seems impossible to do for an established club; it seems somehow more amenable to a new club just entering the league.

So yes, this year will seem a bit weird, but everything will be fine next year. Now, after that, when St. Louis joins, then who knows ... I guess there'll be one more club coming in the same year to balance it out again. Phoenix? Vegas?

Yeah Atlanta too but there is also a rivalry with Cincinnati. You’d think they’d want all three together. Unfortunately the league is more interested in chasing expansion dollars while they can still get them.

[DinamoTFC]

Unfortunately the league is more interested in chasing expansion dollars while they can still get them.

Although I don't agree with it either, it seems like MLS is doing it on purpose so they can negotiate a much better TV deal when the contract runs out at end of 2022.

[TFC1154ever]

I think you mean Nashville and Atlanta.

And yes, while it is possible that could happen if the computer spits it out that way, I'm sure they'll tweak it to ensure they get one game against each other.

Upon reflection, I feel like there wasn't really much else they could have done this year. The reason is that Sacramento and Austin are coming in next year; they will both go to the West, and Nashville will move over to the East. The only other option to keep the conferences balanced would have been to have Nashville be in the east, then move Chicago to the West for just this year, then move them back next year. That seems impossible to do for an established club; it seems somehow more amenable to a new club just entering the league.

So yes, this year will seem a bit weird, but everything will be fine next year. Now, after that, when St. Louis joins, then who knows ... I guess there'll be one more club coming in the same year to balance it out again. Phoenix? Vegas?

Sounds like they’re about to announce Charlotte as 30 on Friday. So that would mean Miami, Nashville, Charlotte to the east, and Auston, Sacramento, and St Louis to the west. But I’m think they break away from conferences, and go into divisions at 30. Makes more sense from the schedule/travel prospective.

[Initial B]

So apparently the 2020 schedule will have some teams not playing each other in order to stay at 34 games. MLS is chasing expansion fees at the expense of the game imo.
I think the key as to MLS final future expansion size will be foretold by how they break the conferences into divisions. If we see them break into NFL-style, 4-club divisions, then I figure they'll cap the league at 32 teams. If the break into NBA-style, 5-club divisions, then I could see them eventually capping the league at 36 teams (especially if they choose a format where teams play only 5 of the 6 divisions every season on a rotating basis).

[Initial B]

Upon further reflection, here's how I think they would break down the league based on existing rivalries and to minimize travel:

EASTERN CONFERENCE
North Division
Chicago
Cincinnati
Columbus
Montreal
Toronto
Atlantic Division
DC United
New England Revs
New York FC
NY Red Bulls
Philadelphia
South Division
Atlanta
Charlotte
Nashville
Orlando
Miami

WESTERN CONFERENCE
Central Division
Colorado
Minnesota
RSL
SKC
St. Louis
Cascadia Division
Portland
Sacramento
San Jose
Seattle
Vancouver
Pacific Division
Austin
Dallas
Houston
LAFC
LA Galaxy

Does this look like a plausible alignment?

[Oldtimer]

Although I don't agree with it either, it seems like MLS is doing it on purpose so they can negotiate a much better TV deal when the contract runs out at end of 2022.

Same reason the NHL expanded, your reasoning makes sense. The TV profits will be in SUM too, not the league, so the league can continue to "lose money" for tax purposes, giving these billionaires and corporations tax write-offs.

[ensco]

This is fun. Here is how I would go... I would do Phoenix instead of Charlotte though.

Top two in each conference make playoffs:

Metroliner Division
DC United
New England Revs
New York FC
NY Red Bulls
Philadelphia

Fried Green Tomatoes Division
Atlanta
Orlando
Miami
Nashville
Cincinnati

Bratwurst and Beer Division
Columbus
SKC
St. Louis
Chicago
Minnesota

Cowboy Division
Colorado
RSL
Austin
Dallas
Houston

“We Hate Trump” Division
Portland
Seattle
Vancouver
Montreal
Toronto

California Division
Sacramento
San Jose
LAFC
LA Galaxy
[Phoenix]

(Toronto and Montreal are a problem in all these setups btw, nobody will want us in their division....)

[OgtheDim]

I think the "Canadian teams don't draw" idea is a little more muted in a league where attendance has little to do with which team is playing which.

When they go to 2 conferences with 2 divisions, we will be in the East.

[Initial B]

Two Conferences with two Divisions each only works in a 28-team league for a 34 game schedule. I'm imagining they're going to go two Conferences of either 3 or 4 divisions each, which is what most Americans are used to.

[benito]

If they stop at 30 teams, I see 3 divisions of 10. If they go to 32 teams, I see 4 divisions of 8.

In both instances they could play home/away games against their division and one game against the non-division teams for 38 games in total. 38 games would bring the MLS in line with many euro leagues (Premier League, Serie A, La Liga, Ligue1).

30 teams = 18 division games and 20 non-division games
32 teams = 14 division games and 24 non-division games

But this calculation doesn't factor in length of playoffs which could add quite a few games.

[DavemTFC]

Assuming MLS will always have playoffs I don't think they have time to play more than 34 regular season games, and I don't know how they would seed the playoffs with 3 conferences in a way that makes sense.

I'd expect a West and an East conference with each having 3 or 4 divisions depending on the total number of teams

[sidvan]

Home opener schedule released - https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019/12/05/mls-announces-2020-home-openers-all-26-clubs-season-kicks-feb-29

TFC opens at SJE Feb 29 with home opener March 7 - 5 pm vs NYCFC

[pfk]

Home opener schedule released - https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019/12/05/mls-announces-2020-home-openers-all-26-clubs-season-kicks-feb-29

TFC opens at SJE Feb 29 with home opener March 7 - 5 pm vs NYCFC

I wish this game was in the afternoon where there was at least some sun (if it's out).

[benito]

The early season schedule always has some surprises. You would think the warm climate/domed stadium teams would host the first couple of weeks games. And the early season cold weather matches would be hosted during the day rather than evening.

[rydermike]

https://www.instagram.com/p/B5s-Va2hcYc/Auro got some Toronto and Canada tattoos. Guess he wants to be here for years
https://www.instagram.com/p/B5s-Va2hcYc/

[James17930]

If they stop at 30 teams, I see 3 divisions of 10. If they go to 32 teams, I see 4 divisions of 8.

In both instances they could play home/away games against their division and one game against the non-division teams for 38 games in total. 38 games would bring the MLS in line with many euro leagues (Premier League, Serie A, La Liga, Ligue1).

30 teams = 18 division games and 20 non-division games
32 teams = 14 division games and 24 non-division games

But this calculation doesn't factor in length of playoffs which could add quite a few games.

I think they'll go to 36 teams. Two conferences of 18 each. 34 game schedule, play each team in the conference twice, home-and-away. Playoffs within each conference, then MLS Cup is two conf. winners.

It would be elegant.

[ensco]

They are going to 40 teams, with a game-ified version of pro/rel within the structure. Sort of like the Liguilla. Could be merged into the Liguilla, actually.

Just my 2 cents. I know nothing, but there are still 10 people in 10 cities willing to pay.

When the ducks are quacking, feed them corn.

[Redpunkfiddle]

They are going to 40 teams, with a game-ified version of pro/rel within the structure. Sort of like the Liguilla. Could be merged into the Liguilla, actually.

Just my 2 cents. I know nothing, but there are still 10 people in 10 cities willing to pay.

When the ducks are quacking, feed them corn.

The only liguilla I know is the Mexican 8 team playoffs. What do you mean?

[ensco]

I am thinking something like this:

40 teams with some sort of apertura/clausura and liguilla system by conference. Two qualifiers from each conference in each liguilla. At the end of the season is the grand tourney with the 8 teams that emerge from the liguillas.

I think they want and will have a super liguilla with top Mexican teams too. But somebody needs to change their calendar to do that.

[OgtheDim]

So the BOG was yesterday and as per usual - the Athletic got some info

https://theathletic.com/1437666/2019/12/05/?amp#click=https://t.co/U1YVI9NEou

[James17930]

I am thinking something like this:

40 teams with some sort of apertura/clausura and liguilla system by conference. Two qualifiers from each conference in each liguilla. At the end of the season is the grand tourney with the 8 teams that emerge from the liguillas.

I think they want and will have a super liguilla with top Mexican teams too. But somebody needs to change their calendar to do that.

I really do not want anything at all like the Mexican system. Split seasons are terrible. I really hope they do not do that.

[Canary10]

So the BOG was yesterday and as per usual - the Athletic got some info

https://theathletic.com/1437666/2019/12/05/?amp#click=https://t.co/U1YVI9NEou

They have to work on the "stadium issue" first? Like they don't have an adequate baseball diamond to play on?

[Canary10]

Interesting to note that a guy les Impacts fired as their coach is managing in the Champions League today against the defending champions with at least a chance to go on to the next round.

[Areathrasher]

Some preseason stuff

The @LAGalaxy (https://twitter.com/LAGalaxy)
will play 2 preseason games at Dignity Health Sports Park as part of @MLS (https://twitter.com/MLS)
doubleheaders. On Sat. Feb. 8 the Galaxy will play Toronto FC at 3 p.m.; Chicago-Colorado meet at noon. On Sat. Feb. 22 the Galaxy will play Chicago at 3 p.m. Toronto-Colorado meet at noon

https://twitter.com/kbaxter11/status/1204882960836517890

[benito]

Major League Soccer on Tuesday made it official that Charlotte will be the home of the league's 30th and likely last franchise.
https://www.espn.com/soccer/major-league-soccer/story/4015203/charlotte-gets-mls-30th-franchise-for-record-$325-million

I wonder if the MLS stops at 30. The franchise fees keep rising but they are running out of cities.

[Oldtimer]

Major League Soccer on Tuesday made it official that Charlotte will be the home of the league's 30th and likely last franchise.
https://www.espn.com/soccer/major-league-soccer/story/4015203/charlotte-gets-mls-30th-franchise-for-record-$325-million

I wonder if the MLS stops at 30. The franchise fees keep rising but they are running out of cities.

That was a bit of a surprise, but maybe the owners (who call the shots) feel that any further expansion, at least in the near future, would be unwise. Long term viability and schedule concerns outweighs short-term expansion fees, and everyone remembers the original NASL. This is the first time Garber has made such a definitive statement, so I'd take it seriously.

I'm glad that after that last one we won't have to worry about losing a player to an expansion side.

So for a 30 team league, what would it look like? 2x in your own conference and 4 from the other conference? That would be awkward.

[James17930]

That was a bit of a surprise, but maybe the owners (who call the shots) feel that any further expansion, at least in the near future, would be unwise. Long term viability and schedule concerns outweighs short-term expansion fees, and everyone remembers the original NASL. This is the first time Garber has made such a definitive statement, so I'd take it seriously.

I'm glad that after that last one we won't have to worry about losing a player to an expansion side.

So for a 30 team league, what would it look like? 2x in your own conference and 4 from the other conference? That would be awkward.

Yes, in terms of balancing the schedule 30 is a terrible number. You need 2x your conference, then 6 from somewhere else. So maybe 6 extra games against your closest conference rivals and they drop interconference play.

[TFC1154ever]

Yes, in terms of balancing the schedule 30 is a terrible number. You need 2x your conference, then 6 from somewhere else. So maybe 6 extra games against your closest conference rivals and they drop interconference play.

I tried to figure out a way to make 30 work, but can’t. The only way for me for this to work is if they go into 6 divisions of 5 teams. 34 game schedule stays. Play everyone in the league once, play your own division twice. Keeps it as balanced as it gets.

North: Toronto, Montreal, New England, NYCFC, Red Bulls

South: Austin, Dallas, Houston, Nashville, Charlotte

Southeast: DC United, Philadelphia, Miami, Orlando, Atlanta

Central: St. Louis, Cincinnati, Columbus, Chicago, Minnesota

Northwest: Vancouver, Seattle, Portland, Sacramento, San Jose

Southwest: LAFC, LA Galaxy, Real Salt Lake, Colorado, Kansas City

Top 2 in each division go to the playoffs, plus the next best 4 teams. I’m guessing they will make it like hockey and basketball, where 16 teams make the playoffs (absolute garbage). Keeps playoffs the same length, and it keeps 95% of the rival teams in the same division.

Thoughts?

Edit: Just realized its only 33 games. It’s gotta be 5 divisions of 6 teams. But you get my drift. 3 divisions of 10 teams works as well if the league goes up to 38 game schedule. Keeps it in line with most other leagues in the world, gives each team 2 more home games to get revenue from, and will make the tv deal better as well with more games. They have enough time throughout the year, and enough warm temperature cities during the winter to do this.

[OgtheDim]

They definitively said they would stop at 24.

i.e. I don't trust the "stopping at 30" talk at all.

The number will be pushed to 32 in the next 5 years.

[Initial B]

I modified your divisions based on the discussions going on at Big Soccer:
EASTERN CONFERENCE
Metropolitan: DC United, Philadelphia, New England, NYCFC, Red Bulls
North: Toronto, Montreal, Cincinnati, Columbus, Chicago
Southeast: Miami, Orlando, Atlanta, Nashville, Charlotte

WESTERN CONFERENCE
Northwest: Vancouver, Seattle, Portland, Sacramento, San Jose
Central: Real Salt Lake, Colorado, St. Louis, Kansas City, Minnesota
South: LAFC, LA Galaxy, Austin, Dallas, Houston
I think what they'll do is play one game against two of three opposite-conference divisions per season on a rotating basis (a la NFL), one game per season against in-conference divisions, and the remaining games in-division for a 34 game season (yes, the in-division games will be uneven). Such an alignment would allow the league to eventually expand to 36 teams without requiring a revision to the format. It was telling that in the Charlotte unveiling speech that Garber mentioned specifically 5 rival clubs and called them the Southeast: DCU, Nashville, Atlanta, Orlando, and Miami. If the end game is 36 clubs, this alignment gives them the time to add teams at their leisure without requiring radical realignments in rivalries or geographical locations.

[portu]

They definitively said they would stop at 24.

i.e. I don't trust the "stopping at 30" talk at all.

The number will be pushed to 32 in the next 5 years.

I'm increasingly worried that expansion is more about collecting the fees than growing the league. I mean Charlotte? The league's domestic talent pool is also sufficiently diluted at this point.

[ensco]

I'm increasingly convinced that expansion is only about collecting the fees and the rest is just lip service about growing the league.

Fixed.

[jabbronies]

I hope it doesn't get to a point a la NHL, where we are playing rivals 6-7 times a season.
I prefer to play a team twice (home/away) and call it a day.

Also - Dividing the league into 2 separate conference is worrisome. I hate not playing other teams in the opposite conference a la MLB style - unless the ultimate goal is to to eventually get to a 2 tier system - so a fake relegation type scenario. So the "Top div" plays for MLS Cup and the "2nd Div" plays for... I dunno "Supporters Cup"

That I wouldn't be oppose to.

[michaeltfc91]

I'm increasingly worried that expansion is more about collecting the fees than growing the league. I mean Charlotte? The league's domestic talent pool is also sufficiently diluted at this point.

Imagine how competitive and normal an 18 team league would be with a 34 game season, everyone playing each other twice. It's very simple.

Unless there is promotion / relegation with 2 leagues of 16 or 18 teams... It's quite embarrassing what they are doing to the league

[Canary10]

Fixed.

Totally agree! It's worriesome tbh.

[TFC1154ever]

Best way to do it is you play everyone in the league once, and your own division twice. It’s the most even, and makes the most sense.

[portu]

Fixed.

Hahahahaha

[Initial B]

Best way to do it is you play everyone in the league once, and your own division twice. It’s the most even, and makes the most sense.But you can't do that beyond 34 teams (once against every team in the league except your designated rival). The fact they've started to have teams not play each other in the regular season just points the way forward from this point forwards - Vermes might be lowballing 40: You could have any number of 6-team divisions, play home and away within your own division, and play a single game against 4 other divisions on a rotating basis. But personally I think there has to be an upper limit based on media desirable matchups: They'll want as many LA-NY matchups as they possibly can each season and the more divisions that are made, the less likely that is to occur. I think they'll cap the league at 36 teams for about a decade or two, allow teams to float to locations where they're stable, then either expand further, or institute pro-rel.

[James17930]

But you can't do that beyond 34 teams (once against every team in the league except your designated rival). The fact they've started to have teams not play each other in the regular season just points the way forward from this point forwards - Vermes might be lowballing 40: You could have any number of 6-team divisions, play home and away within your own division, and play a single game against 4 other divisions on a rotating basis. But personally I think there has to be an upper limit based on media desirable matchups: They'll want as many LA-NY matchups as they possibly can each season and the more divisions that are made, the less likely that is to occur. I think they'll cap the league at 36 teams for about a decade or two, allow teams to float to locations where they're stable, then either expand further, or institute pro-rel.

That's what I would want to see. 36. 2 18 team conferences.

[OgtheDim]

Imagine how competitive and normal an 18 team league would be with a 34 game season, everyone playing each other twice. It's very simple.

...

Except for the travel time which makes 17 road trips that far horrendous.

Geography alone precludes a Europeans style schedule. The best we can hope for is decently set up divisions/conferences that make some regional sense. They have already messed that up by putting Nashville in the West (should have been Chicago) - given 3 of the next 4 will be in the West, somebody had to move over for a few years but Nashville has a more natural rival potential with fellow Southern teams & Cinci then with KC. Chicago has more of a rivalry with KC & Minn.

[Gazza_55]

I'm increasingly worried that expansion is more about collecting the fees than growing the league. I mean Charlotte? The league's domestic talent pool is also sufficiently diluted at this point.

Expansion fees are not revenue to the league. Cincy just sold 20% of the club which values it at $500m Chicago Fire sold for more. So the $325m is right about the median of the league team valuations.

When the league expands the original owners get a smaller share of current and future league revenue. The fee feels the gap. At one time Anschutz in LA was getting a quarter of all league revenue. Now he’s getting 1/30th. The difference is the fee. MLS is not relying on expansion to keep it afloat or using it for operating revenue.

Oh and Charlotte is a great soccer city and they have a great owner. They got 7,000 season ticket deposits in 24 hours. It will be a massive success.

[James17930]

Expansion fees are not revenue to the league. Cincy just sold 20% of the club which values it at $500m Chicago Fire sold for more. So the $325m is right about the median of the league team valuations.

When the league expands the original owners get a smaller share of current and future league revenue. The fee feels the gap. At one time Anschutz in LA was getting a quarter of all league revenue. Now he’s getting 1/30th. The difference is the fee. MLS is not relying on expansion to keep it afloat or using it for operating revenue.

Oh and Charlotte is a great soccer city and they have a great owner. They got 7,000 season ticket deposits in 24 hours. It will be a massive success.

Are they planning to stay at the NFL stadium or build their own in a few years?

[OgtheDim]

Are they planning to stay at the NFL stadium or build their own in a few years?

NFL - the word from locals is its actually has more soccer friendly sightlines then NFL friendly. Its not a Gillette stadium sort of vibe. But its 20 years old & the ownership is looking to make a retractable roof Benz like thing.

[Canary10]

Expansion fees are not revenue to the league. Cincy just sold 20% of the club which values it at $500m Chicago Fire sold for more. So the $325m is right about the median of the league team valuations.

When the league expands the original owners get a smaller share of current and future league revenue. The fee feels the gap. At one time Anschutz in LA was getting a quarter of all league revenue. Now he’s getting 1/30th. The difference is the fee. MLS is not relying on expansion to keep it afloat or using it for operating revenue.

Oh and Charlotte is a great soccer city and they have a great owner. They got 7,000 season ticket deposits in 24 hours. It will be a massive success.

Why aren't expansion fees revenue to the league?

[pekduck]

Why aren't expansion fees revenue to the league?

Is Gazza trying to say the expansion fee is buying share/fractional ownership of the MLS/SUM/god knows what portfolio? Then the more 'shares' you have, the more actual revenue you get like dividend distribution? If so, then it's capital injection, not revenue.

[Oldtimer]

Is Gazza trying to say the expansion fee is buying share/fractional ownership of the MLS/SUM/god knows what portfolio? Then the more 'shares' you have, the more actual revenue you get like dividend distribution? If so, then it's capital injection, not revenue.

It's actual shares. MLS is a corporation. The expansion owner buys shares in MLS in a complicated agreement that also makes them the operator of a division of the corporation, their local MLS team. They have certain rights and responsibilities as an "owner/operator" (the legal term used in MLS documents). The expansion owner also gets real shares in the separate entity SUM (which is where the real money is made).

What we don't know is if this is accomplished as an injection of capital to MLS, a proportionate sale of the other owner/operators' shares to the new owner/operator, or a combination of the two. If it's an injection, then the current owner/operators benefit from the new owner putting in more money than they had to (although the early investors covered so much of MLS' losses for years that they probably aren't benefiting as much as one would think). If it's a proportionate sale, then the current owner/operators would have a capital gain. We know for certain though that this isn't operating income for MLS.

[Areathrasher]

There was a good article in the Athletic on this yesterday. Essentially how much of the expansion fee you get is determined on if you are fully vested or not. Your franchise is fully vested in MLS LLC once you have paid your full expansion fee or an agreed % as they are now generally paid in installments.

Also teams not known for spending big $ splashing the cash this off season. Could it be linked to them getting big expansion fee checks?

[pekduck]

It's actual shares. MLS is a corporation. The expansion owner buys shares in MLS in a complicated agreement that also makes them the operator of a division of the corporation, their local MLS team. They have certain rights and responsibilities as an "owner/operator" (the legal term used in MLS documents). The expansion owner also gets real shares in the separate entity SUM (which is where the real money is made).

What we don't know is if this is accomplished as an injection of capital to MLS, a proportionate sale of the other owner/operators' shares to the new owner/operator, or a combination of the two. If it's an injection, then the current owner/operators benefit from the new owner putting in more money than they had to (although the early investors covered so much of MLS' losses for years that they probably aren't benefiting as much as one would think). If it's a proportionate sale, then the current owner/operators would have a capital gain. We know for certain though that this isn't operating income for MLS.

I'm thinking more or less it's issuing new shares for ownership and operation rights thus no actual sales transactions. No taxation headaches for the transaction, no revenue, no capital gains. Just put more money into the war chest. This dilutes (as it should be) all previous owners's cut of total revenue and artificially drives up per share prices and overall valuation of MLS/SUM year over year.

[Oldtimer]

I'm thinking more or less it's issuing new shares for ownership and operation rights thus no actual sales transactions. No taxation headaches for the transaction, no revenue, no capital gains. Just put more money into the war chest. This dilutes (as it should be) all previous owners's cut of total revenue and artificially drives up per share prices and overall valuation of MLS/SUM year over year.

I think you are probably right, although I'm pretty sure they paid out at least some money in the past.

They could in addition have different classes of shares to balance out ownership values in some desired way... but that would make it very complex... although judging by it's roster rules MLS does not shy away from complexity. :D That might be how they account for 'fully vested" owners getting a share of the fees while partially paid ones don't, all speculation of course.

[Oldtimer]

Also teams not known for spending big $ splashing the cash this off season. Could it be linked to them getting big expansion fee checks?

It's certainly possible, but also with the Revs I think you are seeing the younger generation of Krafts deciding to take things in a new direction and Chicago changed ownership, so it might be unrelated.

[James17930]

NFL - the word from locals is its actually has more soccer friendly sightlines then NFL friendly. Its not a Gillette stadium sort of vibe. But its 20 years old & the ownership is looking to make a retractable roof Benz like thing.

Cool. And it's grass, not turf. Should be all right, then.

[ensco]

Jesus, what did Miami do, hire 8 year olds to design these?

https://twitter.com/mls_buzz/status/1212395144344952832?s=21

[Ossington Mental Youth]

Jesus, what did Miami they do, hire 8 year olds to design these?

https://twitter.com/mls_buzz/status/1212395144344952832?s=21

Sadly fairly typical of Adidas and Nike these days. Worst part is people love this shit, thinking its minimalist when its just lazy designing.
Should be embarrassed. That whole organization looks awful atm.

[rydermike]

I think part of the minimalist approach might be due to them adding a sponsor on the jersey. Will take up some of the blank space. Although the imprinted logo all over the shirt is an interesting touch. They should've used pink accents on the black jersey instead of white - would've been a more unique concept. I like the take on the adidas stripes on the shoulder on the black jersey. Different take.

[portu]

They might also be trying to increase the wearability of the jerseys. You wouldn't catch me wearing 95% of the kits in this league casually. I'd wear both of those Miami kits though.

[ag futbol]

Sadly fairly typical of Adidas and Nike these days. Worst part is people love this shit, thinking its minimalist when its just lazy designing.
Should be embarrassed. That whole organization looks awful atm.
MLS Head office or someone involved in the design of jersey’s for this league is just too conservative. Rarely do we see anything where people laugh at how out there it is but often you get jersey’s that are mundane and boring.

I think all the manufacturers have interesting stuff but it never seems to make its way to the field.

For a league that has a young fan base this is an epic failure.

[TFC07]

Jesus, what did Miami do, hire 8 year olds to design these?

https://twitter.com/mls_buzz/status/1212395144344952832?s=21

Giving how plain current red TFC jersey is...we shouldn't be laughing at other teams.

[Canary10]

MLS Head office or someone involved in the design of jersey’s for this league is just too conservative. Rarely do we see anything where people laugh at how out there it is but often you get jersey’s that are mundane and boring.

I think all the manufacturers have interesting stuff but it never seems to make its way to the field.

For a league that has a young fan base this is an epic failure.

I think it's also how soccer has evolved to having new kits on such a frequent basis. It's impossible to do something interesting with a basic red shirt (or insert your team colour here) every two years. And in EPL it's a ridiculous yearly basis. How can you possibly continue to make it interesting?

[ensco]

It's dumb. This is branding 101. You need a colour. Soccer is about colour. We wear our colours. Or, if you are Juve, a design signature.

The best have both. Example: the TFC Canada day home shirts, with the maple leaf shape/texture background, is the best jersey we have ever had.

The people who approved this are overthinking it. I bet along the lines of.... “We can't have colours, because we are trying not to identify with any club in South America, so as to not push anyone away”

But just black and white with nothing else going on is Germany. That could have worked in Cincinnati. But Miami?

Moronic.

(ps I get the wearability point above, that is real, I just don’t like it. Like I said, team support is about colours in this sport.)

[Ultra & Proud]

I bet our new road kid is just a boring flat white with the 3 red stripes on the one shoulder. Like a beer league kit.

I wish the league would allow individual jersey deals but that will never happen.

[Mark TFC]

People need to stop being so damn negative and already pouting about how poor a new kit is... before it’s even been announced. Relax.

[ensco]

People need to stop being so damn negative and already pouting about how poor a new kit is... before it’s even been announced. Relax.

Chill out is a good message. You could practice the lecture on your bathroom mirror.

It’s an Internet forum on the off season.

[OgtheDim]

What bugs me most about the Miami kit is they have the inconic colour already - USE THAT FREAKING PINK, YA GOONS!!!

[Mark TFC]

Chill out is a good message. You could practice the lecture on your bathroom mirror.

It’s an Internet forum on the off season.

Writing all the nay-say about stuff that hasn’t even happened would actually be more constructive on the mirror than on the forum.

[James17930]

This might not be the appropriate thread for this question, but I worry if I put it somewhere else no one will see it:

Anyone know what happened to the KJ and Caldwell podcast? For the last month they've only been talking about La Liga. Why no more EPL and MLS content?

[burlington Red]

Seen this, thought it was interesting, not saying I agree with it, but it's the 10 worst PL managers of all time, the relevance to MLS is it has 4 managers on it who are either still in MLS or have been in past.

https://www.givemesport.com/1535816-the-10-worst-premier-league-managers-of-the-past-decade-have-been-ranked

[MightyDM]

Interesting new manager for NYCFC. Not without success in the past.

[Ultra & Proud]

Interesting new manager for NYCFC. Not without success in the past.
If you take the Celtic success out, and it should come with an asterix due to having zero competition at the time, then his Norwegian career is spotty. Not sure about this one, could go either way. This hire seems more like City Group just getting whoever they could find because they couldn't be arsed to go out and do the proper manager hunt.

[OgtheDim]

So apparently we will play the Bradley bowl this year after all

https://twitter.com/LatinoSportsGuy/status/1215059264684773376

[OgtheDim]

So the draft has cameras in half of the team's war rooms- included Toronto, for some reason.

[Brooker]

Draft? What year did I drink myself back to?

[Oldtimer]

So the draft has cameras in half of the team's war rooms- included Toronto, for some reason.

Pretty funny, given that Toronto's picks are fairly far down and likely to be TFCII material at best. Maybe it's for Canadian content for Canadian viewers?

[ag futbol]

This might not be the appropriate thread for this question, but I worry if I put it somewhere else no one will see it:

Anyone know what happened to the KJ and Caldwell podcast? For the last month they've only been talking about La Liga. Why no more EPL and MLS content?
I always found those guys reluctantly cover MLS and North American Soccer. As soon as they have an opening to talk about other (world class) levels of the game they take it.

Which is a shame (and somewhat silly) cause they probably wouldn’t even crack the top 100 EPL commentators worldwide but if they focused on MLS / North America they’d instantly be top 10 given their market reach.

Maybe it’s an angle for TSN’s future La Liga rights now that DAZN has taken EPL elsewhere and they realize there’s a gap to fill. Getting several hundred thousand people to watch soccer on Saturday Morning, when there’s morning else on, is a pretty good deal.

[Mikmacdo]

I always found those guys reluctantly cover MLS and North American Soccer. As soon as they have an opening to talk about other (world class) levels of the game they take it.

Which is a shame (and somewhat silly) cause they probably wouldn’t even crack the top 100 EPL commentators worldwide but if they focused on MLS / North America they’d instantly be top 10 given their market reach.

Maybe it’s an angle for TSN’s future La Liga rights now that DAZN has taken EPL elsewhere and they realize there’s a gap to fill. Getting several hundred thousand people to watch soccer on Saturday Morning, when there’s morning else on, is a pretty good deal.

That's exactly it I bet tsn gets la Liga rights soon so KJ and Caldwell are covering la Liga hoping to become the analysts.

[OgtheDim]

This might not be the appropriate thread for this question, but I worry if I put it somewhere else no one will see it:

Anyone know what happened to the KJ and Caldwell podcast? For the last month they've only been talking about La Liga. Why no more EPL and MLS content?

It's available now under a different name - check spotify The KJ & Caldwell podcast - or check KJ's twitter feed for a link

**

Funny, but I don't get the reluctance thing people are saying - they seem about 50% MLS/CanMNT these days.

[ag futbol]

It's available now under a different name - check spotify The KJ & Caldwell podcast - or check KJ's twitter feed for a link

**

Funny, but I don't get the reluctance thing people are saying - they seem about 50% MLS/CanMNT these days.
I’ll admit I haven’t listened in quite a while, for the reason I mentioned plus KJ’s overuse of the word “massive”

They may well be paying more attention to the domestic game these days.

[James17930]

It's available now under a different name - check spotify The KJ & Caldwell podcast - or check KJ's twitter feed for a link

**

Funny, but I don't get the reluctance thing people are saying - they seem about 50% MLS/CanMNT these days.

I mean the new one.

[James17930]

I always found those guys reluctantly cover MLS and North American Soccer. As soon as they have an opening to talk about other (world class) levels of the game they take it.

Which is a shame (and somewhat silly) cause they probably wouldn’t even crack the top 100 EPL commentators worldwide but if they focused on MLS / North America they’d instantly be top 10 given their market reach.

Maybe it’s an angle for TSN’s future La Liga rights now that DAZN has taken EPL elsewhere and they realize there’s a gap to fill. Getting several hundred thousand people to watch soccer on Saturday Morning, when there’s morning else on, is a pretty good deal.

That would make sense.

[Mikmacdo]

Jayden Nelson looks good tonight for Canada, he's probably better than shaffleburg right now.

[Adamo23]

I don’t know if this is off topic but looks like no Onyx away kit this year.

[Luanda]

Do we have any jornos on the beat with the team down in the US?
Or maybe I too have drank myself back to early in the last decade?

[jloome]

Do we have any jornos on the beat with the team down in the US?
Or maybe I too have drank myself back to early in the last decade?

I was wondering the same, or if the papers at least had hired stringers. It's just pathetic now, the Canadian media. Good lord.

[Oldtimer]

Do we have any jornos on the beat with the team down in the US?
Or maybe I too have drank myself back to early in the last decade?

The mainstream media has been downsizing for years, and sports not called "hockey" have had cutbacks in Canada. Larson, Molinaro, and KJ are all examples of that. Who's paid to cover soccer these days?

[OgtheDim]

I'm trying to think of an MLS team not training at their home base which has a journo with them - I think Goff is covering DCU in Florida but that's all I can find.

[magmadragon]

The mainstream media has been downsizing for years, and sports not called "hockey" have had cutbacks in Canada. Larson, Molinaro, and KJ are all examples of that. Who's paid to cover soccer these days?

AFAIK both Larson and Molinaro are at the CPL now.

[Chubbs]

The mainstream media has been downsizing for years, and sports not called "hockey" have had cutbacks in Canada. Larson, Molinaro, and KJ are all examples of that. Who's paid to cover soccer these days?

Steve Buffery at the Sun seems to be the only guy consistently covering TFC these days

[ensco]

Crew name/colours change coming?

https://www.dispatch.com/sports/20200129/michael-arace--columbus-crew-considers-changing-name-colors-as-part-of-rebranding

[Initial B]

^ I hope not. Banana Yellow *is* the Crew. An no matter what new name they come up with, the team will always be known as "The Crew".

[James17930]

^ I hope not. Banana Yellow *is* the Crew. An no matter what new name they come up with, the team will always be known as "The Crew".

Yeah, I don't mind their look now with the new crest. I don't think they should make any more changes.

[portu]

Yeah, I don't mind their look now with the new crest. I don't think they should make any more changes.

Only change they really have to make is the city they play in imo

[Smokecell]

Wow maybe those Nashville kits literally scared the piss out of them

[OgtheDim]

That sounds like a Clevland Brown's sort of move....oh wait

[OgtheDim]

The new away jersey leaked, supposedly.

https://twitter.com/MLS_Canada/status/1222567284109119489

This is about as bland as possible.

[Oldtimer]

^ it looks like a circa 1952 TV test pattern.


:prrr:


https://previews.123rf.com/images/sevenozz/sevenozz1902/sevenozz190200170/124971741-vintage-tv-test-screen-black-ans-white-television-calibration-pattern.jpg

[ensco]

^I was thinking the weaving pattern in a lawn chair, but your analogy is funnier.

[Oldtimer]

^I was thinking the weaving pattern in a lawn chair, but your analogy is funnier.

Pretty good analogy too.

[ag futbol]

The new away jersey leaked, supposedly.

https://twitter.com/MLS_Canada/status/1222567284109119489

This is about as bland as possible.
You know what, for all the hate I’ve had for our kits in the past I don’t mind this.

My primary point of contention would be Adidas laziness in making all the kits this year overly similar. Has a house-league feel to it where there’s 26 colors of the same shirt.

[James17930]

I hate it when they make the crest monocoloured. It seems disrespectful somehow. And it looks worse.

And I totally see a lawn chair.

[BritSOL]

I think it is OK except for making the championship star almost invisible.

[glaze]

Looks more like a training shirt than a game day jersey.

[MightyDM]

^ I hope not. Banana Yellow *is* the Crew. An no matter what new name they come up with, the team will always be known as "The Crew".

They could make it a sightly deeper yellow.. "urochrome"

[Auzzy]

I hate it when they make the crest monocoloured. It seems disrespectful somehow. And it looks worse.

And I totally see a lawn chair.

True, that crest is fugly.

[portu]

Jersey is a disappointment. Can't say I'm surprised though Adidas has gotten lazy as all fuck.

[MikeForbes]

I don't mind the jersey. Just glad they got rid of the blue.

[Brooker]

I think it is OK except for making the championship star almost invisible.

I didn't even see it.... :mad:

[Initial B]

My primary point of contention would be Adidas laziness in making all the kits this year overly similar. Has a house-league feel to it where there’s 26 colors of the same shirt.You know, this design may be exactly what they were aiming for. Tbh, when I first saw the design, I thought of the Adidas stripes on their shoes. I know it's three stripes, but I subconsciously think of Adidas every time I look at this. It's superb subliminal advertising.

[Mark TFC]

My opinion is usually the opposite of this board when it comes to kits; I think this new shirt looks sexy!

[Areathrasher]

I dont hate the new jersey but I am of the vintage that grew up with the three stripes over the shoulder on Adidas jerseys. And the pattern doesnt scream deck chair to me, it's them recycling Messi's signature boots from a few years back :lol:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPd0m16VUAAjXDj?format=jpg&name=small

[MightyDM]

I like the shoulder but don't like the two tone - the grey accents on the current away kit are really nice. The deckchair part might be fun on - not sure - although would prefer a white on white of the maple leaf like the red jersey of a few years ago. And agree with comments about the star. Come on! Silver on white???? - and the crest.

I'm keeping my current away white jersey with the gold star. And the grey accents. Looks good. This one doesn't have enough to be more interesting, for me.

[kodiakTFC]

I hate it when they make the crest monocoloured. It seems disrespectful somehow. And it looks worse.

And I totally see a lawn chair.

I completely agree.

[ag futbol]

Maybe we are all too pessimistic, lol

https://mobile.twitter.com/ESPNSOCCER2/status/1222708535089172480

[Kamp Berg]

Maybe we are all too pessimistic, lol

https://mobile.twitter.com/ESPNSOCCER2/status/1222708535089172480

Montreal’s odds are 7-1?!?

[ag futbol]

Montreal’s odds are 7-1?!?
But Vancouver is still second last, lolololol.

[Oldtimer]

But Vancouver is still second last, lolololol.

100-1. That's essentially nil.

[Red CB Toronto]

100-1. That's essentially nil.

You always have to believe, after the 5,000-1 Leicester City ( :

[Oldtimer]

You always have to believe, after the 5,000-1 Leicester City ( :

:) I think I'm going to see one of those only once in my lifetime. That was a fantastic run.

[burlington Red]

touch of the Liverpool 91-92 look about it
https://dnre29p915wg3.cloudfront.net/media/catalog/product/l/i/liverpool-91-home_2_1_1_1_2_1_1_2_1_3_1_1_2_2_1_1_2.jpg

[Ultra & Proud]

Our jersey is at least only boring. We could have had some disasterous one like the Dynamo or RSL.

[magmadragon]

Still better than the last few away jerseys imo. The monochrome badge is the worst thing about it.

So far the leaks have looked pretty good, especially compared to the last couple of seasons. Far more interesting designs than just plain solid coloured t-shirts that cost $150.

I like crazy, wacky designs in kits. Subtle is boring. Our 2014 combo is still the best we ever had.

[notthesun]

Courtside seats and jumbotron shoutout for Pozuelo today at the Raptors game.

[Captain]

Has anyone else listened to the podcast series called "25 Stories that Made MLS". There's currently 13 episodes posted. The most recent one focuses on TFC. I've only made it to episode 6 so far buy I'm really enjoying them. Some of the history I'd heard reference to but it's been great to get the details. I think it's worth a listen.
(Sorry, I can't post a link. I'm just not that tech savvy.

[Oldtimer]

Has anyone else listened to the podcast series called "25 Stories that Made MLS". There's currently 13 episodes posted. The most recent one focuses on TFC. I've only made it to episode 6 so far buy I'm really enjoying them. Some of the history I'd heard reference to but it's been great to get the details. I think it's worth a listen.
(Sorry, I can't post a link. I'm just not that tech savvy.

Good mention, I've loved that podcast.

Links:

iHeart Radio: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-25-stories-that-made-mls-52371802/

Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/25-stories-that-made-mls/id1485497308

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2rCiKOL2c5roZ9YBz1470O

TuneIn: https://tunein.com/podcasts/Podcasts/25-Stories-That-Made-MLS-p1265303/

[Joe Kool]

Not sure if this was mentioned earlier in this thread but saw there was some discussion about our new away jersey coming out soon. Here is a link to a site showing all the other MLS ones as well including the TFC kit.

https://www.footyheadlines.com/2019/08/2020-mls-kit-overview-all-about-new-mls.html

[Joe Kool]

So I take it all of our preseason games are closed door games? I used to enjoy the streaming of the preseason games from the various preseason tourneys back in the day. Used to be a nice primer leading up to the season. Maybe the clubs we are facing are going to be streaming.....likely not though.

[James17930]

And are they going to have a media day before they head to California?

[Oldtimer]

So I take it all of our preseason games are closed door games? I used to enjoy the streaming of the preseason games from the various preseason tourneys back in the day. Used to be a nice primer leading up to the season. Maybe the clubs we are facing are going to be streaming.....likely not though.

Recent years most MLS clubs are not streaming pre-season games and many of them are closed doors.

It's a far cry from the early years, watching TFC play in Charleston on a dodgy feed narrated by the Battery's owner. Those were the days!

[Areathrasher]

There are three games in Cali that are open to the public with tickets being sold so I wouldnt completely write off the chance of some streams as of yet.

[magmadragon]

There are three games in Cali that are open to the public with tickets being sold so I wouldnt completely write off the chance of some streams as of yet.

I can see the UC Irvine games being closed door but the ones happening at LAG and LAFC might have a stream.

[sn0re]

Looks like GE is the sleeve sponsor. The away jersey could have been a banger to me if it wasn't for the 3 stripes.

[James17930]

I really, really hate the monochrome crest.

Don't mess with the crest.

[OgtheDim]

That price for a jersey is.....way to much.

$175 without a number or name for a short sleeve is like 33% more then 3 years ago.

[OgtheDim]

Best article I've seen on the MLS kits - pulls no punches. Brian Straus is quite the writer

https://www.si.com/soccer/2020/02/06/mls-uniforms-kit-reveal-2020-season-jerseys-25-anniversary

[Oldtimer]

Owner of Miami FC loses his CAS bid to force open MLS to Pro/Rel.

https://sports.yahoo.com/silva-loses-cas-appeal-battling-135335644.html

[OgtheDim]

https://twitter.com/DelmyBarillas/status/1225604541246099456

https://twitter.com/DelmyBarillas/status/1225630518567301120


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For those of you looking for straight up news about LAG & LAFC, this journo is a good choice.

[OgtheDim]

Articles today indicating NYCFC is close to a deal for a 25K stadium within walking distance of Yankee stadium - they have been looking at this piece of real estate since before the team was announced. Not settled by any means but....something to hope for.

[Ultra & Proud]

https://twitter.com/RyanGerbosi/status/1225556652398694402/photo/1

Good timing.

[Joe Kool]

That price for a jersey is.....way to much.

$175 without a number or name for a short sleeve is like 33% more then 3 years ago.

I couldn't believe it when I saw that price. I guess I will just get used to the jerseys I have because I refuse to pay that sort of ridiculousness just on principal.

[James17930]

Articles today indicating NYCFC is close to a deal for a 25K stadium within walking distance of Yankee stadium - they have been looking at this piece of real estate since before the team was announced. Not settled by any means but....something to hope for.

Is 25k too small, though? I expected them to need at least 35k.

[Lil'John]

No. 25k is enough. They don't want to make the same mistake as us and have too many empty seats.
They only would have filled 25k last year versus NYRB.

[notthesun]

TFC up 4-0 currently vs. Colorado in a pre-season friendly. Goals from Gallardo, Altidore, Osorio and Shaffelburg. No stream or video.

[ag futbol]

No. 25k is enough. They don't want to make the same mistake as us and have too many empty seats.
They only would have filled 25k last year versus NYRB.
The big “if” would be expansion of their stadium. We can build fairly easily, they may never have that Iuxury once something is in place due to space constraints.

They will eventually need larger.

[Blindside16]

https://twitter.com/RyanGerbosi/status/1225556652398694402/photo/1

Good timing.

It probably didn't help anything by their FO announcing the CCL game to be played at Redbull arena

[portu]

Is 25k too small, though? I expected them to need at least 35k.

Yeah they should be going big if they're really going to do this. Something in the range of 45-50k at least. It's New York City that stadium can be multi-purpose and the ceiling for that team's popularity should at least be what Atlanta is doing right now. If you can't get 40k into a new stadium for soccer in that place then it's all a lost cause.

[Joe Kool]

Yeah they should be going big if they're really going to do this. Something in the range of 45-50k at least. It's New York City that stadium can be multi-purpose and the ceiling for that team's popularity should at least be what Atlanta is doing right now. If you can't get 40k into a new stadium for soccer in that place then it's all a lost cause.

If building a stadium, especially if future expansion is limited I would say you need to hit 40K capacity if you can just so that the stadium can be included in FIFA World Cup games or other possible games especially being in NY. WC stadiums have a minimum capacity they need to be to be considered and I think it is 40k for group games, 60k for quarter or semi finals and 80k for opening ceremony/finals....or something like that.

[OgtheDim]

This stadium has restrictions due to where it is - to get it done politically, in that neighbourhood, any stadium is going to be limited.

e.g. of the space restrictions involved


One story I read indicated this site was the first choice way back when NYCFC started but the Yankees baulked at the amount of parking left to them at the time - the area is basically a parking lot right now & the Yankees wanted 9.5K of parking spaces to be left. Soon after, local politics changed & the Yankees issues were no longer relevant. Now, the politics has changed again and the Yankees have relented on the amount of parking.


There is some relevance to this and TFC.

If they plan on making BMO up to 40K, any expansion south would take out either the street (that gets blocked off for our games) or parking. And, the city will complain if too much Exhibition grounds parking goes because those people will just try to get somewhere in Liberty Village, upsetting the natives. That's still why I think any additional permanent seating goes in the North, possibly with a Food building revamp. Then again, the Russian WC showed that FIFA is ok with temporary seating so we might see a gigantic temporary scaffolding set of seats in the north just for that year.

[Auzzy]

^ I haven't seen the latest NYCFC plans at all. But similarly, NYCFC may have to go with approx. 25k in order to get it built. They could still leave room for scaffolding in order to create more seats when needed temporarily for FIFA etc. Or leave room for future permanent expansion in the plans, but be quiet about it. Much easier to do this temporarily, or permanently later, once you're already in the neighbourhood and the world hasn't ended.

And regarding BMO Field, it seems that the Ontario Place parking is really underutilized for TFC games. I wonder what Dougie's Ontario Place plans will say about parking.

[OgtheDim]

About the friendly in LA tomorrow - LAFC indicates it will be on Youtube - but IIRC, they use Youtube TV so...who knows.

https://twitter.com/LAFC/status/1227419803779878913

Game is at noon local time and is open to the public - expect a ton of kids.

[Bushmancan]

^ I haven't seen the latest NYCFC plans at all. But similarly, NYCFC may have to go with approx. 25k in order to get it built. They could still leave room for scaffolding in order to create more seats when needed temporarily for FIFA etc. Or leave room for future permanent expansion in the plans, but be quiet about it. Much easier to do this temporarily, or permanently later, once you're already in the neighbourhood and the world hasn't ended.

And regarding BMO Field, it seems that the Ontario Place parking is really underutilized for TFC games. I wonder what Dougie's Ontario Place plans will say about parking.

I have to be honest 25-35k is ideal for MLS, the fans are close, usually sold out and louder. 40 -50,000 people will only work in a few markets and even then you need to be careful.

[613reppingTFC]

looks like Chicharito will be available to play against us this Saturday, good chance for them to get a look before we play them in April

[OgtheDim]

Lineup today is a solid A-

https://twitter.com/TorontoFC/status/1227680659847733255

I wouldn't look into who isn't in or not too much - don't want to show your cards in preseason.

[MightyDM]

Lineup today is a solid A-

https://twitter.com/TorontoFC/status/1227680659847733255

I wouldn't look into who isn't in or not too much - don't want to show your cards in preseason.

When do we see Piatti?!

[Initial B]

That's B+ at best, no Pozuelo?

[OgtheDim]

The second half team was a definate B - the video of their second goal would tear your hair apart if it was a game of consequence - Zavs bounced a clearance off a shin, Bono missed completely coming out and Fraser didn't stay with Vela in the box. Shaffs did at least try to get back on the line and cover for his onrushing keeper.

Preseason folks....preseason.

[Oldtimer]

Atlanta becomes the first MLS side to have over a million Twitter followers.

[Joe Kool]

Got my season ticket member scarf today like many other probably. I like it. Funny how everything went digital and now this year we don't get to have the Season Ticket Delivery thread going with everyone updating it...ahh the good ol days.

[OgtheDim]

Got my season ticket member scarf today like many other probably. I like it. Funny how everything went digital and now this year we don't get to have the Season Ticket Delivery thread going with everyone updating it...ahh the good ol days.

:confused:


Oh wait, found it in the small print of the one email



Please Note:
• Scarf packages will NOT require a signature this season and will be couriered via FedEx during standard business hours. If this is a concern to you we suggest your package be sent to an alternate address
• Remember to include your unit number if applicable. If your concierge will not sign for packages we suggest your package be sent to an alternate address
• PO Boxes will not be accepted by FedEx. Please call us at 416 -360-GOAL (4625) if you have a PO Box and need to update your address
• Accounts that are not in good financial standing will not have their scarves delivered

EDIT

And 5 minutes after I post this, get the email with the Fedex tracking.

[jabbronies]

Atlanta becomes the first MLS side to have over a million Twitter followers.

I call BS on their twitter numbers. Lots of Bot accounts following them. I suspect they bought a large portion of their followers. I mean, they even have more than the LA Galaxy... very suspect

[SoccMan2]

I call BS on their twitter numbers. Lots of Bot accounts following them. I suspect they bought a large portion of their followers. I mean, they even have more than the LA Galaxy... very suspect
Why would you think it’s bullshit, they average like 45,000 a game numbers TFC can only dream about . If it was TFC reporting one million twitter followers then that would be suspect when TFC struggle to get 25000 in the stands.

[Ultra & Proud]

Who cares about Twitter numbers? I've followed lots of things and people I don't care about at all really on Twitter. It's one of the most meaningless things I hear people place importance on. Even some of their own supporters are making fun of how some of Atlanta fans seem to want some recognition (or a medal) for this "remarkable" achievement.

[OgtheDim]

Twitter followers are important for an individual - a team? Meh...........

[Defoe]

Atlanta is the class of the league. TFC May have had there time in the SUN and the Galaxy are a great brand and LA is still LA but at the end of the day Atlanta is the STANDARD of MLS they don’t have the history but they are the future of MLS when we consider investment, attendance, growth etc. It’s a shame they can’t spend more because of cheap MLS owners

[Derko]

Atlanta is the class of the league. TFC May have had there time in the SUN and the Galaxy are a great brand and LA is still LA but at the end of the day Atlanta is the STANDARD of MLS they don’t have the history but they are the future of MLS when we consider investment, attendance, growth etc. It’s a shame they can’t spend more because of cheap MLS owners

I think US and Canada Soccer markets are fickle and the Atlanta bubble will burst. Flavour of the month, and let's face it, a plastic pitch, really! just an opinion :scarf:

[OgtheDim]

Atlanta is the class of the league.


https://i.imgur.com/LYAZnRp.jpg

[OgtheDim]

In all seriousness, Atlanta prepared very well for their first few years. They did very good at finding personnel and with their fans. But they have made some serious mistakes within their squad building since and are now pretty much turning over their championship team. While they have Martinez, they will always have goals - he is the ultimate poacher. But they have problems building the cast around him.

[reggie]

i think the TFC marketing has been brutal the last few years.all i see the odd email about getting more seats with really no incentive to do so.no give aways any more no events no real perks for the STH,
and the camp coverage has been embarrassing per usual. iphone pics,never a stream of a game.i feel no no hype for the club so far.

[Joe Kool]

i think the TFC marketing has been brutal the last few years.all i see the odd email about getting more seats with really no incentive to do so.no give aways any more no events no real perks for the STH,
and the camp coverage has been embarrassing per usual. iphone pics,never a stream of a game.i feel no no hype for the club so far.

I agree that they have really backed off as well. Cost cutting or maybe they just think they don't need to add the perks anymore to sustain the season seat holder base. It was nice when they did those extras as it added value to your membership. Now we just have the tickets only for the most part with no other perks or benefits but in the end that is all we are here for. Since they are only giving us the game day tickets for our money the team better bring it on game day. :) Not even my 2 for 1 pizza coupons this year for the stadium....booooo!

[Joe Kool]

As far as Atlanta goes, they did well out of the gate so you have to give them that but could they have survived the lean years that we went through? They keep doing fairly well and have never had a stinker season. Not that I wish anything on anyone but would be interesting to see if they could still have all those stats to brag about without too many wins in a season and missing the playoffs. Only then would you see how dedicated a fan base you have. We have been there and been tested so we know how it goes.

[reggie]

As far as Atlanta goes, they did well out of the gate so you have to give them that but could they have survived the lean years that we went through? They keep doing fairly well and have never had a stinker season. Not that I wish anything on anyone but would be interesting to see if they could still have all those stats to brag about without too many wins in a season and missing the playoffs. Only then would you see how dedicated a fan base you have. We have been there and been tested so we know how it goes.
not to mention.a new fantastic stadium,cheap seats,cheap food.

[Red CB Toronto]

Interesting that they are not having people sign for it. Sort of taking a chance there. Lots of people will still likely be heading to the depot to pick up their package if they live in apartments because of you are not home where do they leave it?


:confused:


Oh wait, found it in the small print of the one email




EDIT

And 5 minutes after I post this, get the email with the Fedex tracking.

[OgtheDim]

Cinci coach suspended.

Used the N word.

Players Union going hard on this one - although reports were he quoted lyrics in a song, also reports he said stuff about slavery being a good thing. We won't know the full story but the players had a lawyer present this morning so this is serious.

[RealG-TFC]

Cinci coach suspended.

Used the N word.

Players Union going hard on this one - although reports were he quoted lyrics in a song, also reports he said stuff about slavery being a good thing. We won't know the full story but the players had a lawyer present this morning so this is serious.

Imagine being this desparate to lose your job.

[OgtheDim]

We play those guys in 5 weeks on their carpet.

[ensco]

When you think about a bad franchise start, alongside FUs to a great fan base, TFC were the gold standard.

But this Cinci grease fire clearly has early TFC beat.

Somewhere Mo is raising a pint.

[Oldtimer]

When you think about a bad franchise start, alongside FUs to a great fan base, TFC were the gold standard.

But this Cinci grease fire clearly has early TFC beat.

Somewhere Mo is raising a pint.

Nick Hagglund is probably thinking "now why did I think that coming home was better than playing in Toronto?"

[sn0re]

Nick Hagglund is probably thinking "now why did I think that coming home was better than playing in Toronto?"

I was hoping he would be one of the core players given the amount of experience TFC has given him. What made him go low on the depth chart?

[JonO]

I was hoping he would be one of the core players given the amount of experience TFC has given him. What made him go low on the depth chart?
If I recall, it was back to back knee injuries. He wasn’t the same after. Hope he finds that form again

[Mak]

I agree......zero fan fare. Tragedy tbh. I went to Florida in the past 2 occasions to watch preseason pre-Gio days...and a group of were so hyped on the potential signings, etc etc etc. Becoming a bit like the leafs where they are slowly losing touch with fan base.

now.....my tix went from $200....to $400....then back down to $200 when everyone was cancelling tix on mass....now back up to $450. FO told me my tix are undervalued and they have been raising the light greys for years now. Zero perks.

[Red CB Toronto]

Nick Hagglund is probably thinking "now why did I think that coming home was better than playing in Toronto?"

I think Nick enjoys being home with his parents and sister near by and appreciated being close in the lead up to his sisters wedding. He was a groomsman in the wedding and his wife was maid of honour. It would have been harder if was on TFC as they played in Vancouver the night before the wedding in Cincinnati.

https://www.zola.com/wedding/jennaandjohn2019

[Bushmancan]

Is there a stream for tonight’s game?

[OgtheDim]

Its being broadcast on LAG's usual network so.... :noidea:

[Luanda]

Its being broadcast on LAG's usual network so.... :noidea:

which is...??

[OgtheDim]

which is...??

What used to be Time Warner's regional network.

Spectrum Sportsnet


So, maybe somebody will stream something in the grey market from that.

[Luanda]

What used to be Time Warner's regional network.

Spectrum Sportsnet


So, maybe somebody will stream something in the grey market from that.

Thank you.

[Areathrasher]

If Cheech is such a big signing, you'd think they'd (They being MLS) bang a stream up on youtube or twitter or something....

[Areathrasher]

LA 1 up (Pavon) but down to 10 men (Katai)

[Mikmacdo]

Weird lineup. Basically 5 attackers starting.

[ag futbol]

Achara Has scored again.

Since we can’t see any of this I am going to draw the obvious conclusion Achara is the best MLS goal scorer since Robbie Keane.

[OgtheDim]

Achara Has scored again.

Since we can’t see any of this I am going to draw the obvious conclusion Achara is the best MLS goal scorer since Robbie Keane.

Not even based on this game alone.

https://twitter.com/LAGalaxy/status/1228833007877771270


Preseason...only preseason. But what a strike.

[ag futbol]

Not even based on this game alone.

https://twitter.com/LAGalaxy/status/1228833007877771270


Preseason...only preseason. But what a strike.
Yes, but we can’t see our goal so :)

[Bushmancan]

Yes, but we can’t see our goal so :)

We won 2-1...

[notthesun]

2-1 preseason win for TFC over LA Galaxy. Achara again and Pozuelo on a PK with the goals.

[Bushmancan]

2-1 preseason win for TFC over LA Galaxy. Achara again and Pozuelo on a PK with the goals.

Two weeks

[NK Toronto]

Anyone know where Pozuelo played tonight? On the outside or in the middle? I hope Vanney doesn't play him on the outside with Bradley out.

[James17930]

2-1 preseason win for TFC over LA Galaxy. Achara again and Pozuelo on a PK with the goals.

Man, LA with a red card and then giving away a penalty? In a preseason game? Seems they were a bit too pumped up for this one.

[TomLawrence]

Anyone know where Pozuelo played tonight? On the outside or in the middle? I hope Vanney doesn't play him on the outside with Bradley out.

We lined up with Fraser, Poz, Endoh, Shaff, Achara, and Jozy. So would assume he must have played in a deeper central role in midfield with Fraser.

[Red CB Toronto]

Q had a beautiful save shutting down Chicharitto, great to see.

[OgtheDim]

Yes, but we can’t see our goal so :)


https://twitter.com/TorontoFC/status/1228877916349485056

Not bad actually

[OgtheDim]

A comparison of MLS to the top 5 leagues in Europe

https://football-observatory.com/IMG/sites/mr/mr52/en/

[Bushmancan]

A comparison of MLS to the top 5 leagues in Europe

https://football-observatory.com/IMG/sites/mr/mr52/en/


Which is why the concept of not allowing the stronger teams continue to get stronger and evolve the league into Pro/Rel doesn’t make sense. I know they don’t want a repeat of the NASL but doesn’t 30+ (and counting) mediocre teams do the same thing. Create a strong fan base, build a team culture and have teams and MLS aspire to compete with Liga Mx (5 years) and beyond 10 years from now.

[Oldtimer]

Which is why the concept of not allowing the stronger teams continue to get stronger and evolve the league into Pro/Rel doesn’t make sense. I know they don’t want a repeat of the NASL but doesn’t 30+ (and counting) mediocre teams do the same thing. Create a strong fan base, build a team culture and have teams and MLS aspire to compete with Liga Mx (5 years) and beyond 10 years from now.

Just having a few strong teams killed the NASL. We don't have 150 years of tradition in soccer where weak teams will be supported no matter what. So a certain level of parity is essential.

For contrast look at the traditional sports. The Leafs get support despite mostly failing for decades. The Buffalo Bills have never won the SuperBowl. They all still have good fanbases

They are already allowing some non-parity in MLS. However, it's actually a feature that better management is what gets you ahead instead of just spending silly money.

Because MLSE is behind our team we like financial clout having some effect, but imagine if they sold the team to a less rich owner. It might get frustrating to have a decade of LAFC winning and us on the outside looking in.

The solution to MLS being behind is to raise spending for the whole league, and the best way to get that is a richer TV deal, so get all your friends who aren't going to the game to watch it!

[Bushmancan]

Just having a few strong teams killed the NASL. We don't have 150 years of tradition in soccer where weak teams will be supported no matter what. So a certain level of parity is essential.

For contrast look at the traditional sports. The Leafs get support despite mostly failing for decades. The Buffalo Bills have never won the SuperBowl. They all still have good fanbases

They are already allowing some non-parity in MLS. However, it's actually a feature that better management is what gets you ahead instead of just spending silly money.

Because MLSE is behind our team we like financial clout having some effect, but imagine if they sold the team to a less rich owner. It might get frustrating to have a decade of LAFC winning and us on the outside looking in.

The solution to MLS being behind is to raise spending for the whole league, and the best way to get that is a richer TV deal, so get all your friends who aren't going to the game to watch it!


I didnt say over night, i said 5 - 10 years.

The problem of flooding the league with weak teams does the same as just having a few strong teams. I am not saying go crazy, but a realistic goal of Liga Mx parity is attainable.

If MLS doesn’t think we have enough quality in North America, then don’t dilute what what we have, with so many teams. Build 20 good teams (with parity) but 30-35 weakened teams is just wrong, unless the long term is Pro/Rel. The new CBA has some good provisions to increase budgets and salaries but there is no floor, so quite frankly there is no penalty, (Other than potential poor results and fan disenchantment) for team owners to just to put the minimum viable team on the pitch.

I am not even saying having the younger DP isn’t a smart idea, but i must have missed that MLS were also going to manage it other than recommended guidelines, so teams are penalized. If you are going to have a ceiling there needs to be a specific floor, not just recommended guidelines... thats why i think Pro/Rel makes so much sense. Get to a League 1 with 20 teams and a League 2 with 20 teams. You can then have parity in scheduling and a real incentive to be competitive.

[Initial B]

I would just like to point out an NBA analogy, that the weakest NBA teams are comparable to the strongest Euroleague teams. If MLS builds parity throughout the league over time, eventually they will become a top world league. But the tightrope they have to walk is gaining enough interest from around the world to increase media revenues to allow them to compete with the Big 4, I think they only have a small window for that, probably in the next 10 years. They've set up the latest CBA to slowly take the operational cost training wheels off (higher minimum salaries, charter flights, greater player movement) at the cost of a possible DP slot. I bet they never institute that option and after the next media deal (I'm betting it's ~$300M/yr, comparable to the NHL) they'll double the salary cap for all teams, just in time for the World Cup lead-up.

I've given a lot of thought to the Conference setup that fans would find palatable, do you think that when the league hits 36 teams, they might do a reorg? Say they move the top 9 teams from East and West into a new Elite Conference, and the remaining teams will be placed in a Championship Conference. Playoffs will be as now but between the top 8 Championship teams and the bottom 8 Elite teams, with the teams that make the Quarterfinals being moved to the Elite Conference and the losers being moved to the Championship Conference. Winner of the playoffs get the MLS Cup, but the top Elite team at the end of the season gets the Supporter's Shield. This is not Pro-Rel, simply an annual reorganization within both Div 1 Conferences. :smilewinkgrin:

[jabbronies]

Why would you think it’s bullshit, they average like 45,000 a game numbers TFC can only dream about . If it was TFC reporting one million twitter followers then that would be suspect when TFC struggle to get 25000 in the stands.

the number of people entering the stadium means jack shit. That number doesn't affect things like TV ratings or social media numbers.

Go and take a look at their recent followers. Majority of them are bot created accounts. I can guarantee if you did a inventory of the number of potential BOT accounts, you would probably see them being the majority.

This is very common with companies / people with prominent social influence / politicians and political parties who have bought followers in order to punch up their numbers.

[Areathrasher]

the number of people entering the stadium means jack shit. That number doesn't affect things like TV ratings or social media numbers.

Go and take a look at their recent followers. Majority of them are bot created accounts. I can guarantee if you did a inventory of the number of potential BOT accounts, you would probably see them being the majority.

This is very common with companies / people with prominent social influence / politicians and political parties who have bought followers in order to punch up their numbers.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQnCsOxVAAYdF7A?format=jpg&name=900x900

[jabbronies]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQnCsOxVAAYdF7A?format=jpg&name=900x900

Less than I expected - but still substantial.

[OgtheDim]

In other news - FCC coach has resigned. Apparently tendered his resignation soon after the full report on his behaviour was given to him & the team & the union.

FCC using the same interim coach who was nice but not all that good last year.

[OgtheDim]

Less than I expected - but still substantial.

Put in Toronto FC - I blame the Seba bots.

[Oldtimer]

In other news - FCC coach has resigned. Apparently tendered his resignation soon after the full report on his behaviour was given to him & the team & the union.

FCC using the same interim coach who was nice but not all that good last year.

Better screening is really needed for staff from places where racism is still endemic. It's not just hooligans tossing bananas from the stands, it's still systemic in many places throughout the clubs, their management and the fans. Horrible.

[jabbronies]

Put in Toronto FC - I blame the Seba bots.

yup - TFC numbers are gross - like 42%

[OgtheDim]

MLS Players Union statement on the Cinci situation

Basically telling Cinci & Cinci media to have a rethink

Complaints were widespread and not just on one issue

https://twitter.com/MLSPA/status/1229846816943955975

[Oldtimer]

MLS Players Union statement on the Cinci situation

Basically telling Cinci & Cinci media to have a rethink

Complaints were widespread and not just on one issue



This is really serious stuff.

Much worse of a tire fire than we had in the Anselmi/Johnson era. It calls into question the entire management of the club.

I feel for their fans, they don't deserve this. How many of them will just walk away unless the owner/operator takes this seriously?

[OgtheDim]

Cinci leadership doing a very painful presser basically saying they were lied to by the coach.


Pablo Maurer saying it best

https://twitter.com/MLSist/status/1229866948294594560

[James17930]

Really interesting that they made Jozy the captain in the last preseason game. Guess they're trying to get him to understand to put the club first and not just blurt stuff out when he doesn't have all the facts.

[portu]

Really interesting that they made Jozy the captain in the last preseason game. Guess they're trying to get him to understand to put the club first and not just blurt stuff out when he doesn't have all the facts.

Pretty sure the last time he was captain he got a red card, so yeah interesting decision.

[anto7]

This is really serious stuff.

Much worse of a tire fire than we had in the Anselmi/Johnson era. It calls into question the entire management of the club.

I feel for their fans, they don't deserve this. How many of them will just walk away unless the owner/operator takes this seriously?

Not sure if anyone has been following the Darren Mattocks story but it’s not looking good for him based on what I have read. Here is the short version of it;
Late January he was driving a Mercedes with his friend and was travelling through Pennsylvania state. At around 9:55am he hit a patch of ice and rolled the car. He and his friend were taken to hospital although neither suffered serious injuries. Apparently the Mercedes was not insured. Around 11:55am the same morning Mattocks took out a new insurance policy on the car.
3 days later he put in an insurance claim for the accident, the claim was worth $48,000. He told them he took out the policy at 5:55am of the morning of the accident and that the accident took place later that morning. Needless to say the insurance company became a little suspicious lol.
He has been charged with 2 felonies for fraud and released on $50,000 bail.
What a freaking mess(assuming all these reports are accurate)

[Mark TFC]

Not sure if anyone has been following the Darren Mattocks story but it’s not looking good for him based on what I have read. Here is the short version of it;
Late January he was driving a Mercedes with his friend and was travelling through Pennsylvania state. At around 9:55am he hit a patch of ice and rolled the car. He and his friend were taken to hospital although neither suffered serious injuries. Apparently the Mercedes was not insured. Around 11:55am the same morning Mattocks took out a new insurance policy on the car.
3 days later he put in an insurance claim for the accident, the claim was worth $48,000. He told them he took out the policy at 5:55am of the morning of the accident and that the accident took place later that morning. Needless to say the insurance company became a little suspicious lol.
He has been charged with 2 felonies for fraud and released on $50,000 bail.
What a freaking mess(assuming all these reports are accurate)

Wow, what a mess.

Quick question though: How on Earth was he planning on getting away with it?

[DavemTFC]

I still remember when he burnt himself on his toaster and missed the first third of his rooke season because of it. He's...not the brightest

[Red CB Toronto]

A bit of a younger look in this evenings pre-season match vs. Chicago.


Alex BonoRichie LaryeaEriq ZavaletaChris MavingaTerique MohammedJonathan OsorioNoble OkelloAlejandro PozueloJayden NelsonGriffin DorseyAyo Akinola

[anto7]

Wow, what a mess.

Quick question though: How on Earth was he planning on getting away with it?

Sure is. Good question, I have no clue what he was thinking but if it’s all true it seems like a pretty dumb thing to try and pull off.

[Red CB Toronto]

Sure is. Good question, I have no clue what he was thinking but if it’s all true it seems like a pretty dumb thing to try and pull off.

Especially if there is a timeline due to the visit to the hospital, that would be pretty easy to figure out.

[anto7]

Especially if there is a timeline due to the visit to the hospital, that would be pretty easy to figure out.

Exactly! Not to mention the insurance company is going to have a record of what time he took out the new policy and the police report is going to tell them the time of the accident. Totally bizarre situation.

[MightyDM]

MLS Players Union statement on the Cinci situation

Basically telling Cinci & Cinci media to have a rethink

Complaints were widespread and not just on one issue

https://twitter.com/MLSPA/status/1229846816943955975

Small subtle point but it sounds like the Union laid the complaint, not a player - one of the protections unions serve

[MightyDM]

Wow, what a mess.

Quick question though: How on Earth was he planning on getting away with it?

How on earth can you not have insurance? Surely it's required?

[Oldtimer]

How on earth can you not have insurance? Surely it's required?

Not in 'Murica. They aren't a bunch of Commies like us Canadians. :rolleyes:

[Auzzy]

How on earth can you not have insurance? Surely it's required?


Not in 'Murica. They aren't a bunch of Commies like us Canadians. :rolleyes:

Actually:

Since then, nearly every state in the union has enacted mandatory car insurance liability laws. New Hampshire is the only state that doesn't mandate car insurance for all drivers. Instead, drivers just need to prove they are able to pay for damages in the case of an at-fault accident.

So similar to Canada I guess, required is primarily liability insurance, e.g. if you damage other cars / objects / people. (Ontario may still be more stringent then some or all US states, as you actually are required to have 4 types of insurance here: Liability Coverage, Direct Compensation, Uninsured Automobile Coverage, and Accident Benefit Coverage.)

But none of the above cover your own car if you're at fault. That was the issue in Mattocks' case: he totalled his own car in a single-vehicle accident, and then tried to get his car insured afterwards. There are different names and types of coverage for those things, e.g. Comprehensive, or All Perils, etc. That's not required in Ontario either: when renting a car, that's why you can decline LDW (a similar type of coverage that insures the rental car itself) and say your credit card will cover it. It's up to you if that's the case or not; otherwise you'll have to pay for the car yourself.

Now it's possible that Mattocks didn't have the mandatory insurance either (he was driving in Pennsylvania), but that would be another issue he could be charged for.