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OgtheDim
09-23-2019, 01:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqZY8P42pLo


Last game ever in Bridgeland


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Have at It People

James17930
09-25-2019, 08:45 AM
Let's give them a shitty way to go out.

OgtheDim
09-26-2019, 06:26 AM
I fear this game now - everybody but Bradley & Gonzalez look mentally or physically tired.

I also think its time to give Mavinga a rest.

Oldtimer
09-26-2019, 06:52 AM
I fear this game now - everybody but Bradley & Gonzalez look mentally or physically tired.

I also think its time to give Mavinga a rest.

I'm afraid of seeing what happened in 2018 all over again, from losing a key match on penalties. Hopefully the team can turn it around.

Mikmacdo
09-26-2019, 07:55 AM
Westburg
Auro-Omar-Ciman-Morrow
Delgado-Bradley-Poz
Endoh-Jozy-Gallardo

Would be my 11. Rest Laryea who has played a lot lately, Need Morrow to play 90 and Auro should be fresh. Hopefully Benezet can come in as a sub and then start the final game. I think he might be our new VV.

Ultra & Proud
09-26-2019, 09:33 AM
Westburg
Auro-Omar-Ciman-Morrow
Delgado-Bradley-Poz
Endoh-Jozy-Gallardo

Would be my 11. Rest Laryea who has played a lot lately, Need Morrow to play 90 and Auro should be fresh. Hopefully Benezet can come in as a sub and then start the final game. I think he might be our new VV.

The look Jozy gave before and after the penalties leads me to believe we've probably seen the last of him until the playoffs. If Benzet is good to play 60 minutes I would start him over Poz too for a rest.

Section_105
09-26-2019, 09:46 AM
The look Jozy gave before and after the penalties leads me to believe we've probably seen the last of him until the playoffs. If Benzet is good to play 60 minutes I would start him over Poz too for a rest.

really good idea. player management is going to be so key to get beyond game 1 of the playoffs where ever it is we start.

Auzzy
09-26-2019, 11:07 AM
I'm glad it's on Sunday, at least one extra day rest, FWIW.

C.Ronaldo
09-26-2019, 01:18 PM
I fear this game now - everybody but Bradley & Gonzalez look mentally or physically tired.

I also think its time to give Mavinga a rest.

im excited to see what Layrea & Endoh can do with with their new found confidence

Ultra & Proud
09-26-2019, 10:15 PM
All I ask is no Zavaleta.

DavemTFC
09-27-2019, 08:23 AM
I honestly think we should rest Pozo for this one, maybe Jozy too. They're gassed

Westberg; Morrow, Gonzalez, Ciman, Auro; Osorio, Bradley, Delgado; Endoh, Mullins, Gallardo

Then start our strongest XI (which I think, assuming Benezet is healthy, is the one against Colorado) for the home finale

Oldtimer
09-27-2019, 09:06 AM
All I ask is no Zavaleta.

LOL. Hopefully nephew is done for good.

pfk
09-27-2019, 09:28 AM
im excited to see what Layrea & Endoh can do with with their new found confidence

Agreed. Both were really solid on Wednesday. I am not sure why Laryea was subbed off for Auro (who got lucky on the handball).

Super
09-27-2019, 09:41 AM
I honestly think we should rest Pozo for this one, maybe Jozy too. They're gassed

Westberg; Morrow, Gonzalez, Ciman, Auro; Osorio, Bradley, Delgado; Endoh, Mullins, Gallardo

Then start our strongest XI (which I think, assuming Benezet is healthy, is the one against Colorado) for the home finale

We need to win the last two games to have a chance at a 4th place finish, and a home game in the first round of the playoffs. There's no time to rest anyone at this point. All hands on deck. DC is not going to go sleepy into the next two rounds, so we can't either.

ensco
09-27-2019, 10:45 AM
These last two games are exhibition games. Pozo and Altidore should probably be sent to Florida for two weeks to get some rest. Bradley needs some real rest here too.

Who cares about 4th? Seriously.

What is the difference between 3 or 4 road games?

Tied playoff games go 120 minutes. You think the guys look tired now? Imagine what they will look like in round two if they have to go to extra time.

Mail it in. Work on things. Get guys rested, or get some minutes to some key backups (eg Mullins, Ciman).

ensco
09-27-2019, 10:58 AM
BTW, the odds are that the MLS champion will have to win at least once in penalties. So there is that to look forward to.

Canary10
09-27-2019, 10:58 AM
These last two games are exhibition games. Pozo and Altidore should probably be sent to Florida for two weeks to get some rest. Bradley needs some real rest here too.

Who cares about 4th? Seriously.

What is the difference between 3 or 4 road games?

Tied playoff games go 120 minutes. You think the guys look tired now? Imagine what they will look like in round two if they have to go to extra time.

Mail it in. Work on things. Get guys rested, or get some minutes to some key backups (eg Mullins, Ciman).

What's the take for hosting a playoff game at BMO? Lol.

Oldtimer
09-27-2019, 10:59 AM
Who cares about 4th? Seriously.


Bill Manning. Reason? $$$$


Logically, I agree, it makes more sense to rest players given that there's no momentum any way. Pozuelo and Jozy are running on fumes. But money talks so Vanney is probably on orders not to mail it in.

Ben - D.O.W.
09-27-2019, 11:00 AM
We need to win the last two games to have a chance at a 4th place finish, and a home game in the first round of the playoffs. There's no time to rest anyone at this point. All hands on deck. DC is not going to go sleepy into the next two rounds, so we can't either.

A home game would be nice, but I'd honestly prefer 6th or 7th. The road doesn't worry me, and I'd rather play the winner of 2/7 or 3/6 depending on where we finish, rather than go to a rested 1 if we won the 4/5 game. Finishing 5th is worst case scenario in my mind - no home game and going to a rested 1 seed if you win (although I do think this team can beat NYCFC).

ensco
09-27-2019, 11:02 AM
What's the take for hosting a playoff game at BMO? Lol.

True that. Call it average $75 a ticket, for 25K... that’s a couple of million bucks.

OK I change my prediction. Everybody will start in Chicago.

Sigh

Graeme
09-27-2019, 11:03 AM
Who cares about 4th? Seriously.

Looks like I shouldn't have taken so long to type up my BRILLIANT post. haha. Can't wait to see us take out Chicago...

PizzaEatingYeti
09-27-2019, 02:15 PM
These last two games are exhibition games. Pozo and Altidore should probably be sent to Florida for two weeks to get some rest. Bradley needs some real rest here too.

Who cares about 4th? Seriously.

What is the difference between 3 or 4 road games?

Tied playoff games go 120 minutes. You think the guys look tired now? Imagine what they will look like in round two if they have to go to extra time.

Mail it in. Work on things. Get guys rested, or get some minutes to some key backups (eg Mullins, Ciman).

I agree 100%.
Poz and Jozy (and not only them) are just too gassed right now. Plus IMO even if we play the best available team for the last 2 games, there is still no big chance to catch that 4th place. Honestly I think it's too much of a gamble to go all in in these games, and then begin the playoffs with a lots of dead tired important players, both mentally and physically.

Graeme
09-27-2019, 03:11 PM
Although...if getting 4th doesn't matter to people (aka requiring a win this week and next), why not play our best 11 anyway so they have an extra game to gel--especially seeing as we're not concerned about winning the game? They have a week off between all the next games--should be time to recover, no?

Oldtimer
09-27-2019, 03:21 PM
How many people have the budget and time off to travel to more than maybe one away game during the playoffs? It matters whether they get 4th.

69Chevy396
09-27-2019, 05:22 PM
Altidore and Poz both play. Every starting player, on every team, are “tired” at this time of the year.

Initial B
09-27-2019, 06:38 PM
I say play them both. They'll have the international break to recover. Oh, wait...

<edit: I just realized this will be the last game at Bridgeview. Vanney shouldn't bother putting the DPs in there because MLS will want the narrative of going out on a winning note to sell to Fire SSHs when they get into renewal season. All the calls are going to go against TFC.>

Hamilton_Red
09-28-2019, 09:08 PM
Altidore hasn't played well since coming back from his last injury break. He is either not fully recovered or not fully fit. Playing is probably what he needs. If we are to win the MLS Cup he needs to be in top form or we are screwed.

Pozo has looked gassed for a while and hasn't been injured..I wouldn't play him 90 minutes in either of the last two games but there has to be some momentum to be ready for the playoff run..from there on its adrenaline. I'm not very hopefull there is something off about the morale this season.

stevep
09-28-2019, 09:37 PM
I say play them both. They'll have the international break to recover. Oh, wait...

<edit: I just realized this will be the last game at Bridgeview. Vanney shouldn't bother putting the DPs in there because MLS will want the narrative of going out on a winning note to sell to Fire SSHs when they get into renewal season. All the calls are going to go against TFC.>

YES Yes. That is a very definite possibility.
This is a very corrupt league

MightyDM
09-28-2019, 09:38 PM
Altidore and Poz both play. Every starting player, on every team, are “tired” at this time of the year.

Poz is gassed. Mavinga mentally fragile. Jozy out of sorts. I think Benezet Ciman and Mullins come in to Wednesday’s te@m.

OgtheDim
09-29-2019, 07:27 AM
Poz has averaged a game every 6 days since his season began over 400 days ago.

He needs a rest.

69Chevy396
09-29-2019, 12:20 PM
Poz has averaged a game every 6 days since his season began over 400 days ago.

He needs a rest.
Start him. Sub him if he looks tired. These are pro athletes, and need to be playing as much as possible. When they are given an extra week off, so many look out of sorts when they return. Happens all the time, in baseball, hockey, etc.

OgtheDim
09-29-2019, 12:38 PM
Start him. Sub him if he looks tired. These are pro athletes, and need to be playing as much as possible. When they are given an extra week off, so many look out of sorts when they return. Happens all the time, in baseball, hockey, etc.

Name me one baseball or hockey player who has played continually for 14 months

stevep
09-29-2019, 01:39 PM
it looks really difficult to get 4th place, actually i agree it is kind of a push between 4th and 6th
i agree with others that 6th is better than 5th
6th or 7th doesnt matter too much

if you dont play poz or jozy the rest of the way through, that means your two star dps have had 22 days full rest since mtl game to game 1 of the playoffs
the correct strategy move to give you the best chance to win the mls cup is to sit them

we all saw in los angeles what this team is capable of

OgtheDim
09-29-2019, 01:55 PM
Hmmm...don't be surprised if Jozy is getting the day off.

MightyDM
09-29-2019, 03:41 PM
Going all in. Wow.

barticusz
09-29-2019, 03:44 PM
I’m surprised too. Best 11 is out there. Benezet is back as part of the subs.

DavemTFC
09-29-2019, 03:44 PM
https://twitter.com/TorontoFC/status/1178405335104516096

Poz and Jozy starting :eek:

edit: way late lol

Oldtimer
09-29-2019, 03:52 PM
Playoffs don't start until October 19, which is two weeks rest after final game on the 6th. While Pozuelo needs rest, there will be time for some before the playoffs. It's a reasonable risk to play him (and likely it's not Vanney's choice anyway, as MLSE wants a home playoff game, for fan excitement and for the $$$$$$).

Auzzy
09-29-2019, 03:52 PM
I just heard a rumour the game isn't starting until 5:25? Man that would suck, and mess up some carefully-laid plans.

FootBallAZ
09-29-2019, 03:55 PM
Strong line up.
Gallardo, benezet on bench.

Laryea no where to be found..... Is he ok

69Chevy396
09-29-2019, 03:57 PM
Name me one baseball or hockey player who has played continually for 14 months
When an NHL team wins a 4-0 playoff series, their first two games of the ensuing series are often played like they are stuck in the mud. At this time of year, they need to be playing on all cylinders, and given today’s lineup, Vanney seems to agree with me.

Mister Karpf
09-29-2019, 03:58 PM
Laryea suspended for yellow card accumulation.

FootBallAZ
09-29-2019, 04:01 PM
Laryea suspended for yellow card accumulation.



thank you

MightyDM
09-29-2019, 04:16 PM
I just heard a rumour the game isn't starting until 5:25? Man that would suck, and mess up some carefully-laid plans.

appears to be true. i wish they would tell us these things honestly and up front.

MightyDM
09-29-2019, 04:22 PM
Poz has looked gassed for at least two or three games, lacking energy for a while. Very surprised he isn't getting a rest. This is five games in fifteen days.

edit - Waking the Red has a thorough piece about it - very interesting https://www.wakingthered.com/2019/9/28/20887079/should-tfc-rest-alejandro-pozuelo-dilemma-toronto-fc

0bl1vious
09-29-2019, 04:29 PM
anyone got a stream?

MightyDM
09-29-2019, 04:44 PM
Jozy looks hurt. Ribs

MightyDM
09-29-2019, 04:44 PM
Wonder if Benezet comes on for Poz at 60'?

FootBallAZ
09-29-2019, 04:45 PM
Lol altidore looked like he changed his mind there

MightyDM
09-29-2019, 04:45 PM
Thats BS. Chicago player had his hands all over Altidore.

FootBallAZ
09-29-2019, 04:46 PM
Laryea suspended for yellow card accumulation.


Poz has looked gassed for at least two or three games, lacking energy for a while. Very surprised he isn't getting a rest. This is five games in fifteen days.

edit - Waking the Red has a thorough piece about it - very interesting https://www.wakingthered.com/2019/9/28/20887079/should-tfc-rest-alejandro-pozuelo-dilemma-toronto-fc



not counting today he has played 73 games since July 2018

ag futbol
09-29-2019, 04:46 PM
That’s a ridiculous call. Should be 1-0 with Altidore scoring

FootBallAZ
09-29-2019, 04:47 PM
Thats BS . Chicago player had his hands all over Altidore.

looked like nothing to me

Mikmacdo
09-29-2019, 04:47 PM
Jozy has forgotten how to score. What a pass by auro.

notthesun
09-29-2019, 04:47 PM
Jozy should've squared the first chance to Pozuelo. Easy tap in.

MightyDM
09-29-2019, 04:50 PM
That’s a ridiculous call. Should be 1-0 with Altidore scoring

Why isnt that reviewed by VAR

MightyDM
09-29-2019, 04:54 PM
we are slightly off. the slow offside flag drives me crazy. referee what you see, not for replays.

ag futbol
09-29-2019, 04:56 PM
Why isnt that reviewed by VAR
In order to save the pride of MLS officials. Honestly, why can a defender grab a striker by the shirt but when the striker pushes him away THAT’S the foul?!?

James17930
09-29-2019, 04:57 PM
Stream:

http://cdn.livetv212.me/webplayer.php?t=ifr&c=1255297&lang=en&eid=848174&lid=1255297&ci=64&si=1

ag futbol
09-29-2019, 04:57 PM
we are slightly off. the slow offside flag drives me crazy. referee what you see, not for replays.
Yeah it’s stupid. Some of these are nowhere near close. Instead everything is being called as onside and they are having a shooting practice

ag futbol
09-29-2019, 04:59 PM
Do these guys even own a real pair of six studs? What is Auro doing out there with his plastic cleats on a field like this? No wonder he’s falling over

OgtheDim
09-29-2019, 05:01 PM
That's a cow pitch. Direct over the head approach and hoofball out is what is going to win this game for the Fire.

MightyDM
09-29-2019, 05:03 PM
In order to save the pride of MLS officials. Honestly, why can a defender grab a striker by the shirt but when the striker pushes him away THAT’S the foul?!?

agreed. Absurd.

MightyDM
09-29-2019, 05:06 PM
Pos, Oso and Marky all slightly off with their passing today.

James17930
09-29-2019, 05:06 PM
Maybe Osorio should've just shot there?

Still trying to be too cute sometimes.

MightyDM
09-29-2019, 05:14 PM
the guy just bodychecked Oso!

MightyDM
09-29-2019, 05:17 PM
Jozy looks really slow. Out of shape slow, not injured slow, which it cant be. but thats how he looks.

MightyDM
09-29-2019, 05:18 PM
Tied at the half is fair on the balance of play but Jozy's goal should have stood.

OgtheDim
09-29-2019, 05:20 PM
Everybody is slow and the passing is off because they are playing on a pitch like we had to play on last year after an Argo game. Chunks are flying all over the place & it looks like its cut high too.

DavemTFC
09-29-2019, 05:20 PM
Chicago had three really good lucks by my count. Jozy looks like he should have been rested

James17930
09-29-2019, 05:24 PM
Everybody is slow and the passing is off because they are playing on a pitch like we had to play on last year after an Argo game. Chunks are flying all over the place & it looks like its cut high too.

I guess they gave up on it since it's the last game.

ag futbol
09-29-2019, 05:37 PM
Sub for Altidore. He’s gassed

Auzzy
09-29-2019, 05:40 PM
Maybe Osorio should've just shot there?

Still trying to be too cute sometimes.

Is there a special MLS award for the number of passes in the opposing box w/o a shot? I think TFC are going for that.

ag futbol
09-29-2019, 05:41 PM
What is it going to take for one TFC RB to register a shot on goal this season?

MightyDM
09-29-2019, 05:44 PM
Thats a red. despicable. Westberg could have broken his neck.

ag futbol
09-29-2019, 05:44 PM
Holly god Vanney, start sending out your subs.

benito
09-29-2019, 05:46 PM
Finally!

ag futbol
09-29-2019, 05:46 PM
Thats a red. despicable. Westberg could have broken his neck.
You know Gautama is sitting here faking it to avoid getting a card.

Kevin Stott is clueless

MightyDM
09-29-2019, 05:46 PM
way to go Jozy! Should be a yellow too. Clear foul. i know it won't be given but should be.

ag futbol
09-29-2019, 05:48 PM
Good work from Altidore. He’s dead tired though, Vanney needs to get him off.

FootBallAZ
09-29-2019, 05:49 PM
Wow altidore

Auzzy
09-29-2019, 05:51 PM
You know Gautama is sitting here faking it to avoid getting a card.

Kevin Stott is clueless

Westberg got a pretty good knock on the Chicago player's head/neck up in the air (and he deserved it).

LOL I thought Altidore should be subbed off before, what do I know! Note that the interception/setup for the goal came from Delgado. That's what he brings to the game (in addition to the occasional bad pass).

MightyDM
09-29-2019, 05:51 PM
good sub by Vanney. Jozy looks dead on his feet.

ag futbol
09-29-2019, 05:52 PM
Endoh - Gallardo would be a really obvious change here

Edit: what is it with Delgado today and all these poorly weighted passes to our wingers?

Auzzy
09-29-2019, 05:55 PM
Up a goal, I hope the TFC defenders stop sitting so high, and that TFC midfielders fill the gaps in between. Chicago had too many chances coming out of nothing in the first half.

TFC smart picking up some fouls against, more of that!

MightyDM
09-29-2019, 05:55 PM
f*ck f*ck f*ck

Inklink
09-29-2019, 05:56 PM
Classic.

Auzzy
09-29-2019, 05:58 PM
Fuck it, boneheaded. Why is everyone so far forward when we're up a goal? Why does Bradley step up to challenge in the middle of the field when there's nobody behind him?

benito
09-29-2019, 05:58 PM
Auro got caught pinching. How many goals have been on his side this year?

stevep
09-29-2019, 06:00 PM
Auro got caught pinching. How many goals have been on his side this year?


the chicago attack has been all on his side today

Mikmacdo
09-29-2019, 06:00 PM
This team cant win on the road. No hope in the playoffs cayse they cant win in penalties ugh.

Inklink
09-29-2019, 06:00 PM
Hmm Westberg going to be taken out for concussion protocol

That's a league doctor right? I like that idea.

Auzzy
09-29-2019, 06:01 PM
Auro got caught pinching. How many goals have been on his side this year?

I'm sure Vanney wants the fullbacks going forward like that. But then somebody from midfield has to cover. TFC haven't been able to do that for a couple of years.

ag futbol
09-29-2019, 06:03 PM
the chicago attack has been all on his side today
Not really. Morrrow’s been wrong sided on a few occasions.

Regardless I see Laryea as the starter at this point on the right. Much improved defensively and no worse attacking.

Auzzy
09-29-2019, 06:04 PM
Shit this sucks. No more subs available. And not even a yellow to the Chicago player that injured Westberg.

MightyDM
09-29-2019, 06:04 PM
oh FFS

Inklink
09-29-2019, 06:04 PM
lmao

ag futbol
09-29-2019, 06:05 PM
That’s how you make effective god damn subs. DeLeon hasn’t done shit

MightyDM
09-29-2019, 06:06 PM
This team cant win on the road. No hope in the playoffs cayse they cant win in penalties ugh.

Yes they can. They are a very good road team by MLS standards

Auzzy
09-29-2019, 06:06 PM
TFC suck so bad at crosses.

Unlike Chicago on that goal.

James17930
09-29-2019, 06:07 PM
That’s how you make effective god damn subs. DeLeon hasn’t done shit

Are Benezet and Gallardo both hurt?

MightyDM
09-29-2019, 06:07 PM
Gonzalez!!!!!!!!!

Inklink
09-29-2019, 06:07 PM
Holy crap! Gonzo!

Also they're tied Luke.

James17930
09-29-2019, 06:07 PM
Omar!

Mikmacdo
09-29-2019, 06:08 PM
Ya that goal wasnt auros fault hes doing what vanney wants. Vanney has to go at this point, no ccl and no home playoff game with the most expensive team in mls.

ag futbol
09-29-2019, 06:08 PM
Damn right. Now if you give us the goal we should of had in the first half it’s 3-2

MightyDM
09-29-2019, 06:08 PM
Shit this sucks. No more subs available. And not even a yellow to the Chicago player that injured Westberg.

I still think that should have been a red. Clearly deliberate and without question endangering the safety of a player. Westberg is lucky he was only concussed.

Mikmacdo
09-29-2019, 06:09 PM
Omar! Need another goal here.

Auzzy
09-29-2019, 06:09 PM
Ref has no control.

ag futbol
09-29-2019, 06:10 PM
Ya that goal wasnt auros fault hes doing what vanney wants. Vanney has to go at this point, no ccl and no home playoff game with the most expensive team in mls.
That’s a fair point. He’s walked into midfield because that’s what the coach wants. If there’s a quick breakdown like that it falls on the mids to provide the recovery run. Likely DeLeon but maybe Bradley / Delgado.

MightyDM
09-29-2019, 06:10 PM
That’s how you make effective god damn subs. DeLeon hasn’t done shit


he has really played well this year but I am not sure he was the right sub at that moment. too conservative. would have liked to see Benezet

Inklink
09-29-2019, 06:11 PM
Seriously Mullins.

ag futbol
09-29-2019, 06:13 PM
he has really played well this year but I am not sure he was the right sub at that moment. too conservative. would have liked to see Benezet
DeLeon is a good work horse but tactically / positionally he’s just brutal IMO. The way Vanney wants to play he’s just completely destructive

MightyDM
09-29-2019, 06:15 PM
Awfully tough on Bono. Good for him for stepping up.

Mikmacdo
09-29-2019, 06:16 PM
Come on mullens!

Auzzy
09-29-2019, 06:16 PM
Mullins is decent. But when you check out the 2nd & 3rd strikers on many other MLS teams...

MightyDM
09-29-2019, 06:16 PM
DeLeon actually looks gassed. which is weird.

MightyDM
09-29-2019, 06:17 PM
Mullins is decent. But when you check out the 2nd & 3rd strikers on many other MLS teams...

But we are supposedly a "3" with Benezet who is quality. Mullins is simply the back up to Jozy. He's pretty good in that role.

Auzzy
09-29-2019, 06:18 PM
A Bono shank. Like in the good old days. (Although he generally seems to have learned a bit from Westberg RE distribution.)

Mikmacdo
09-29-2019, 06:25 PM
Only benezet can save us now.

notthesun
09-29-2019, 06:27 PM
I don't know how we don't score to win at the end. Chicago was playing insanely recklessly (since they had to win). We should've buried one.

Disappointing game.

ag futbol
09-29-2019, 06:32 PM
Disappointing that we continue to fall just short in games that are there to be won.

I don’t get Vanney’s in-game management. Never have.

DavemTFC
09-29-2019, 06:34 PM
That was a wild half. Both teams clearly knowing a draw wouldn't really do anything and just going all out.

A home game is still possible but we would need DC to not beat Cincy at home and even if that happened and we went to fourth I don't know how Pozo is going to find the energy to keep going

OgtheDim
09-29-2019, 06:35 PM
Games played on cow pitches usually look like what the cows plop on them.

EVERYTHING about this game follows from that. Every complaint about passing & people looking tired etc. can be put down to playing on a long grass gridiron pitch in the rain (that's who uses it now during the week - high school football)


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I take absolutely nothing from that game in terms of tactics & player capability except for watching Bono shank that one out.

As for the home game in the playoffs, it would be great and it is now unlikely but I fancy us against any of the teams in the East away. Especially after 2 weeks rest for all but the international call ups. We get into that cup competition and see.

East Coast Red
09-29-2019, 06:39 PM
Seriously, just how bad is Auro. Painful to watch.

tfcfans
09-29-2019, 06:53 PM
Is it just me or is anyone else happy that Crew are beating Philly which would make it a nice possibility that if Atlanta beats NE at home next week, they will play each other again in Round One (and we can avoid a trip to Atlanta in Round 1), and if the higher seeds win next week (DC at home to Cin. and NYRB at Montreal who have nothing to play for now), then we can finish 6th and play at Philly which seems way more desirable...again, a move to 5th is the other less desirable option to me along with going to Atlanta in Round 1. (maybe Mtl steals a point? I can't see Cin winning at DC even without Rooney).

motorheadfc
09-29-2019, 06:56 PM
i think Gallargo and Benezet change the outcome of this game if they had of appeared. for all of Endoh's progress this year he is barely marked on the pitch and rightfully so. Gallardo/Benezet at least pull players away and that create space for Poz which was seriously limited for him today. im not convinced Endoh is mls quality, one more game to get some rhythm with the wingers, maybe rest Altidore and Pozuelo next sunday and charge into the playoffs.

Mikmacdo
09-29-2019, 07:27 PM
Seriously, just how bad is Auro. Painful to watch.

Hes not bad at all. Actually hes been ranked as the 4th best player on whoscored all season on tfc. That goal wasnt his fault.

MightyDM
09-29-2019, 07:44 PM
Games played on cow pitches usually look like what the cows plop on them.

EVERYTHING about this game follows from that. Every complaint about passing & people looking tired etc. can be put down to playing on a long grass gridiron pitch in the rain (that's who uses it now during the week - high school football)


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I take absolutely nothing from that game in terms of tactics & player capability except for watching Bono shank that one out.

As for the home game in the playoffs, it would be great and it is now unlikely but I fancy us against any of the teams in the East away. Especially after 2 weeks rest for all but the international call ups. We get into that cup competition and see.

Good points

Auzzy
09-29-2019, 07:58 PM
I don't know how we don't score to win at the end. Chicago was playing insanely recklessly (since they had to win). We should've buried one.

Disappointing game.

True. But Chicago also could easily have scored 2 or 3 more, especially in the first half.

MightyDM
09-29-2019, 08:05 PM
2-2 was fair. But i still cant see why Jozy's goal was called back. And why Gaitan didnt get a red.

stevep
09-29-2019, 08:55 PM
Is it just me or is anyone else happy that Crew are beating Philly which would make it a nice possibility that if Atlanta beats NE at home next week, they will play each other again in Round One (and we can avoid a trip to Atlanta in Round 1), and if the higher seeds win next week (DC at home to Cin. and NYRB at Montreal who have nothing to play for now), then we can finish 6th and play at Philly which seems way more desirable...again, a move to 5th is the other less desirable option to me along with going to Atlanta in Round 1. (maybe Mtl steals a point? I can't see Cin winning at DC even without Rooney).

agreed, i have kind of estimated the odds of next weeks games involving tfc, nyrb and dc. from this i was able to estimate the probability of tfc finishing in 4th place.
the probability of tfc finishing in 4th place is around 7%

stevep
09-29-2019, 08:59 PM
i will be really disapointed in the mls if bradley, jozy and oso play in international call ups when they could be resting for the playoffs.
for me it would really sort of invalidate the whole season. it makes the whole season kind of a bad joke.
its almost like you cant take this league seriously, just enjoy the home games for entertainment sake but don't place all your emphasis on winning the mls cup because these guys and the league sure dont. it is just a job to them

GerMc
09-29-2019, 09:11 PM
Just finished watching the game on tape delay, and it was pretty disappointing. Our chance to get a home playoff game and we let it slip away from a Chicago team that just wasn't that good. Now, I do think that 6th is a better place to start the playoffs than 4th or 5th, but sad that me, my son and my dad will likely not get to see a playoff game at home now. Seems like there are any number of TFC teams out there this season (LAFC, tonight, etc.), and coaching that still makes me scratch my head.

Now, while I can live with finishing 6th (rather than 4th or 5th), I cannot live with finishing 7th, so we better win next weekend!

Oldtimer
09-29-2019, 09:34 PM
agreed, i have kind of estimated the odds of next weeks games involving tfc, nyrb and dc. from this i was able to estimate the probability of tfc finishing in 4th place.
the probability of tfc finishing in 4th place is around 7%

DC and NYRB both lose and TFC wins. Then TFC is 4th. Not very likely, but possible.

stevep
09-29-2019, 10:07 PM
DC and NYRB both lose and TFC wins. Then TFC is 4th. Not very likely, but possible.

i will have the real numbers around wednesday when odds have come out and settled to what they are going to be
i believe these numbers are fairly accurate but again hard figures i will have by wednesday

lets asume tfc has 65% chance of beating columbus
lets assume dc has a 30% chance of not winning at home vs cincinnati
lets assume nyrb has a 62% chance of not winning at montreal

.65*.3=.2
.65*.62=.4

.4*.2=.08 both events have to occur, nyrb not win and dc not win, so you have to multiply each event by each other

8% chance of 4th place

correct me if i made a mistake in my math

Graeme
09-30-2019, 08:27 AM
correct me if i made a mistake in my math

I think you did. All three events need to occur, but TFC only has to win once. It should be .65*.3*.62 = 0.1209 or 12% chance.

613reppingTFC
09-30-2019, 09:06 AM
disappointing to see this end in a tie but yes it could have been worse with all the attacks they had in the first half.
Jozy seriously looks like he's in a world of hurt right now. However i think his first goal should have counted, i replayed it over and over and didn't really see much besides the grabbing and the ref had a great angle and called it right away. (first thing that popped in my head was someone earlier said this is a conspiracy and they want Chicago to win their last game at the stadium haha). However his goal that did count came off a great steal by delgado and an actual pass that made it through to Jozy. He hit a career high for assists now even though his passing is questionable at best, but glad he has put in the work this season. Jozy should have had a few more as he had the other chance in the first half. somethings up with his final touch..even on the goal he chose to try and slip it through the keepers legs...

Anyone else see Benezet on the sidelines on their corner kick and he wouldn't get out of the way, even after he was pushed by their player. wish we could have seen him on the pitch!

as for the play on westburg that was terrible, he had no chance of getting the ball and just put our keeper in danger..has anyone got a report on how he is doing?

OgtheDim
09-30-2019, 09:43 AM
Anyone else see Benezet on the sidelines on their corner kick and he wouldn't get out of the way, even after he was pushed by their player. wish we could have seen him on the pitch!

as for the play on westburg that was terrible, he had no chance of getting the ball and just put our keeper in danger..has anyone got a report on how he is doing?

Benezet is the exact type of little feces sort of guy I want next year if we do play a Mexican team or to in the Leagues Cup.

As for Westberg, Vanney said after the game that the Chicago doctor made the call to pull him off - as per league protocal, that doc can make that call - as Westberg was saying at the beginning of that concussion check that he had double vision, the best thing in the long run.

613reppingTFC
09-30-2019, 09:57 AM
so...I am pretty sure I already know the answer to this (and it didn't happen, but it could have). Let's say we had already used our 3 subs, and then this happens with Westburg...and the home field doctor decides he's got to come off. Who do we put in nets since we cannot make the substitute? Should there not be at least some type of concussion protocol where if your goalie has to come out that you can have an additional sub just for that. Players are different you can go down to 10 men and continue playing but goalie is a fairly critical role...? thoughts?

Section_105
09-30-2019, 10:27 AM
so...I am pretty sure I already know the answer to this (and it didn't happen, but it could have). Let's say we had already used our 3 subs, and then this happens with Westburg...and the home field doctor decides he's got to come off. Who do we put in nets since we cannot make the substitute? Should there not be at least some type of concussion protocol where if your goalie has to come out that you can have an additional sub just for that. Players are different you can go down to 10 men and continue playing but goalie is a fairly critical role...? thoughts?

He's tall, a centre back, can kick accurately, and is very athletic. not sure anyone else from our outfield would be better between the sticks.

pfk
09-30-2019, 10:33 AM
i will have the real numbers around wednesday when odds have come out and settled to what they are going to be
i believe these numbers are fairly accurate but again hard figures i will have by wednesday

lets asume tfc has 65% chance of beating columbus
lets assume dc has a 30% chance of not winning at home vs cincinnati
lets assume nyrb has a 62% chance of not winning at montreal

.65*.3=.2
.65*.62=.4

.4*.2=.08 both events have to occur, nyrb not win and dc not win, so you have to multiply each event by each other

8% chance of 4th place

correct me if i made a mistake in my math

If we win on Sunday, according to this site (http://www.sportsclubstats.com/USA/TorontoFC.html), we have a 22% chance to get 4th place. However, this is not taking into consideration the DC and NYRB results. They all overall assessment for all the TFC results and it is 12% to get into 4th place.

Regardless of the results, the chances are slim to have a home game in Round 1.

stevep
09-30-2019, 10:50 AM
If we win on Sunday, according to this site (http://www.sportsclubstats.com/USA/TorontoFC.html), we have a 22% chance to get 4th place. However, this is not taking into consideration the DC and NYRB results. They all overall assessment for all the TFC results and it is 12% to get into 4th place.

Regardless of the results, the chances are slim to have a home game in Round 1.

early odds are out on oddsportal. https://www.oddsportal.com/soccer/usa/mls/

TFC win 1.64= 1/1.64= 61% chance win
NYRB win 2.52= 1/2.52 =40% of win, 60% chance not win
DC win 1.54=1/1.54=65% of win, 35% chance not win

.61*.6*.61*.35=7.8% man am I good I was so close yesterday.

NE 6.51 = 1/6.51 = 15% NE win

NE win 15% TFC loss 39%

for NE to get 6th place they need to win plus tfc to lose which is 0.15*0.39= 6%

Joe Kool
09-30-2019, 11:28 AM
so...I am pretty sure I already know the answer to this (and it didn't happen, but it could have). Let's say we had already used our 3 subs, and then this happens with Westburg...and the home field doctor decides he's got to come off. Who do we put in nets since we cannot make the substitute? Should there not be at least some type of concussion protocol where if your goalie has to come out that you can have an additional sub just for that. Players are different you can go down to 10 men and continue playing but goalie is a fairly critical role...? thoughts?

An outfield player goes in net. That is all they can do. Knowing Bradley he would take that on. I still remember watching a EPL game where John Terry went in net for Chelsea for this exact scenario. Hardly happens but it does happen.

Graeme
09-30-2019, 11:31 AM
.61*.6*.61*.35=7.8% man am I good I was so close yesterday.


Actually, TFC still only has to win once. .61 * .6 * .35 = 0.128 or 13%

stevep
09-30-2019, 12:08 PM
Actually, TFC still only has to win once. .61 * .6 * .35 = 0.128 or 13%

man you have got me intrigued now. oldtimer said my math was correct

here was my assumption

(tfc win NYRB loss) and (TFC dc united loss) (.61*.6) X (.61*.35)

they are two separate events no?? this is like the monty hall problem, love it!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_problem

so i multipled the two separate events together.

did i do it wrong?? its been over 30 years since i took year 1 statistics

Graeme
09-30-2019, 01:16 PM
(tfc win NYRB loss) and (TFC dc united loss) (.61*.6) X (.61*.35)

they are two separate events no?? this is like the monty hall problem, love it!!


so i multipled the two separate events together.

did i do it wrong?? its been over 30 years since i took year 1 statistics

You are very close!

You are calculating this correctly (2 separate events): (tfc win NYRB loss)
and, separately, this correctly (also, 2 separate events): (tfc win DC loss)
But what we actually want to calculate is 3 separate events: (tfc win NYRB loss DC loss), which is simply the odds of each event multiplied.

stevep
09-30-2019, 01:31 PM
You are very close!

You are calculating this correctly (2 separate events): (tfc win NYRB loss)
and, separately, this correctly (also, 2 separate events): (tfc win DC loss)
But what we actually want to calculate is 3 separate events: (tfc win NYRB loss DC loss), which is simply the odds of each event multiplied.

Yes. Brain lapse on my part

GerMc
09-30-2019, 05:19 PM
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An outfield player goes in net. That is all they can do. Knowing Bradley he would take that on. I still remember watching a EPL game where John Terry went in net for Chelsea for this exact scenario. Hardly happens but it does happen.

I remember this happening for TFC. I think that Hagglund went in net.

Hamilton_Red
09-30-2019, 10:08 PM
DC and NYRB both lose and TFC wins. Then TFC is 4th. Not very likely, but possible.

We have completely lost the winning mentality. MP reason for us to expect a win or a significant play off run.

Joe Kool
09-30-2019, 11:06 PM
I remember this happening for TFC. I think that Hagglund went in net.

Yeah you are right. Found a tweet with one of his saves. Forgot about that.

https://twitter.com/TorontoFC/status/958917174298525696?s=20

MightyDM
10-01-2019, 07:09 AM
We have completely lost the winning mentality. MP reason for us to expect a win or a significant play off run.

I don’t agree with this. We’ve lost Seba’s magic and haven’t replaced it.

Against Columbus and in the playoffs I expect the “3” to be Benezet Jozy Poz with the midfield Bradley Oso Marky. We will cause problems for teams with that level of quality

ensco
10-01-2019, 07:37 AM
Nobody has any clue what will happen in this insane playoff format. With us or anyone else.

I bet (i) a ton of these games go to PKs, and (ii) form and seed don't matter that much.

Depth will be huge as anyone who goes to extra time will play another game after 120 minutes on four days rest. (This is the biggest effing joke of all- wait until that actually happens. The blowback will be huge)

This format has decreased my true level of engagement. I'll get pumped if we wake up from the coin flips and are in the conference final.

ensco
10-01-2019, 07:45 AM
Berthalter's Columbus team in 2017 were the model for what we are going to see. Columbus went into Atlanta, bunkered, got shelled, didn’t break. Steffen stood on his head 17 times and they won in PKs. Still maybe the most lopsided game, in terms of a team losing that should have won, I have ever seen. Then they came here and nearly did the same to us - easy to forget, that was a super tense tie, it took one of the top 3 goals in team history to win that second leg late, and they missed a sitter at the death that would have put us out.

Get ready for Berhalter ball.

Bushmancan
10-01-2019, 10:20 AM
Nobody has any clue what will happen in this insane playoff format. With us or anyone else.

I bet (i) a ton of these games go to PKs, and (ii) form and seed don't matter that much.

Depth will be huge as anyone who goes to extra time will play another game after 120 minutes.

I have been looking but cannot find the actual play-off game format. Are they

1) 90 minutes - then Penalties,
2) 90 minutes then extra 30 (new game).
3) 90 minutes then extra 30 (golden goal)
4) 90 minutes then extra 30 then penalties.

Can't find a link anywhere.

Probably think it is 4, but who knows... 90 minutes then extra 30 then penalties.

Ultra & Proud
10-01-2019, 10:39 AM
4) 90 minutes then extra 30 then penalties.

Yeah, same as before.

OgtheDim
10-01-2019, 11:44 AM
Nobody has any clue what will happen in this insane playoff format. With us or anyone else.

I bet (i) a ton of these games go to PKs, and (ii) form and seed don't matter that much.

Depth will be huge as anyone who goes to extra time will play another game after 120 minutes on four days rest. (This is the biggest effing joke of all- wait until that actually happens. The blowback will be huge)

This format has decreased my true level of engagement. I'll get pumped if we wake up from the coin flips and are in the conference final.


Red card madness
Injuries
1 bad call
VAR


If people are into anarchy, this will be it.


Its going to take about 3 seasons until people realise that the league table result getting you Supporters shield or into CCL or Leagues Cup will be more important then what happens in a one off on a Wednesday night in Foxboro.

Canary10
10-02-2019, 10:55 AM
Red card madness
Injuries
1 bad call
VAR


If people are into anarchy, this will be it.


Its going to take about 3 seasons until people realise that the league table result getting you Supporters shield or into CCL or Leagues Cup will be more important then what happens in a one off on a Wednesday night in Foxboro.

Can't wait to see the first stupid VAR call costing someone their season. Probably will be us knowing our luck.

613reppingTFC
10-02-2019, 03:30 PM
Why wouldn't they just move all the games to the weekend instead of playing them through the week and give everyone a week between games? They are still finishing at the same time. They would most likely get more viewers and fans to the stadiums...seems like it would be obvious..