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OgtheDim
08-07-2019, 07:50 PM
For something new, that means you too


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvnYmWpD_T8


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Have at It People

pfk
08-08-2019, 10:44 AM
Orlando is nipping at our heels one spot behind in us in the standings, but I think TFC will manage to get three points.

We can move in to a playoff spot with a win if Seattle beats NER at home, or the Limpact lose to Chicago on the road.

The A team will be ready to play, I predict a 3-0 win for the good guys.

Canary10
08-08-2019, 11:04 AM
Too early to say must win?

Section_105
08-08-2019, 11:35 AM
Too early to say must win?
not in my opinion. They need momentum after running into the brick wall that was houston at home. All home games are must win if we are to gather the necessary points to survive. If we want to go up to get a home game then it's even more important.

Mikmacdo
08-08-2019, 11:43 AM
Westburg

Auro omar mavinga morgan
--------'Bradley osorio
Gallardo pozuelo benezet
--------------jozy

Hoping to see this team. Probably get delgado over osorio.

Canary10
08-08-2019, 12:01 PM
not in my opinion. They need momentum after running into the brick wall that was houston at home. All home games are must win if we are to gather the necessary points to survive. If we want to go up to get a home game then it's even more important.

Yup, agreed.

BeninatoTFC
08-08-2019, 12:12 PM
Too early to say must win?

It is. Losing this puts Orlando level and its doubtful DC, Montreal, and New England all lose again.

leedsandTFC
08-08-2019, 01:12 PM
love to see gallardo start this one.

looked impressive in his cameo yesterday.

QW
auro gonzalez mavinga morgan
delgado bradley
gallardo poz shaffleburg
jozy

3-0 or 3-1 to us

MightyDM
08-08-2019, 08:55 PM
Westburg

Auro omar mavinga morgan
--------'Bradley osorio
Gallardo pozuelo benezet
--------------jozy

Hoping to see this team. Probably get delgado over osorio.

I think we see this but with the Shaff. (And possibly Ciman for Mavinga) Otherwise sitting Oso Wednesday and starting Marky doesn’t make sense.

I don’t think Vanney is impressed with Benezet yet. And this team is basically the one that lost to Red Bulls. So they will be pissed off.

OgtheDim
08-09-2019, 06:20 AM
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Section_105
08-09-2019, 09:55 AM
This was sent out earlier this week via email

Cheers,

they started with all back packs and then bags 14/14/8 and now it's /6.

what exactly do they think this accomplishes? I bring ponchos etc. in a bag that just fits into the old standard, now have to squish it down to fit. I'll bring a tape measure when the 3rd rate security gets uppity. Our ushers and ticket checkers are great but they're directly from MLSE. The security is mindbogglingly woeful.

anyway, I'm off topic ( you are completely on topic, thank you )

Go reds! :)

3-0 for the good guys. Gallardo brace, Jozy chip shot

OgtheDim
08-09-2019, 11:31 AM
FWIW, most of those promotional drawstring napsacks are under 14 x 14.


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Orlando's defence has stabilised into average but its their midfield where we should find lots of opportunity. Poz will get space. Bradley will have time.


The usual refrains apply:

If we move the ball quickly and use speed on the wings, we can take this team.

If Gonzalez & whoever he partners with are on the same page & our mids track back, we can hold off their attack.

2-1 and it won't be pretty

The forecast is for 24 degrees with little humidity and a 20 k breeze out of the north. Almost perfect weather.

Defoe
08-09-2019, 04:52 PM
Westburg

Auro omar mavinga morgan
--------'Bradley osorio
Gallardo pozuelo benezet
--------------jozy

Hoping to see this team. Probably get delgado over osorio.


Assuming Gallardo is fit to play, it would be quite frustrating either way if he doesn't start. Shaff hasn't shown enough finish in the final third to warrant another start imo

Canary10
08-10-2019, 08:13 AM
Anyone know what the parking situation is at BMO right now? I ran by there yesterday and they’re setting up for the Ex so probably less parking than usual.

Red CB Toronto
08-10-2019, 08:26 AM
Anyone know what the parking situation is at BMO right now? I ran by there yesterday and they’re setting up for the Ex so probably less parking than usual.

With the Ex opening this week, better to park north of the grounds.

barticusz
08-10-2019, 09:01 AM
We better see TFC come out firing tonight as it’s yet another must win. We’ve got the players to not only be competitive but definitely be in the top half of the conference.

I’ll be paying close attention to NE in Seattle and MTL in Chicago as well. By the end of today we should be back in the playoff picture.

stegosaurus
08-10-2019, 10:34 AM
I recently watched a team coached by a world class manager, 3 players who would walk into MLS on egregiously high DP salaries and probably start in most top leagues in the world supported by a bunch of scrubs.

Since Orlando has the scrubs part nailed down, I’m ready to get no sleep and watch this one too.

ManUtd4ever
08-10-2019, 03:42 PM
It's crunch time.

OgtheDim
08-10-2019, 03:49 PM
Yup. Must win. Time for all that experience at getting results in crunch games to come out again.

FootBallAZ
08-10-2019, 05:41 PM
Line up looks decent.
I like laryea, gonzalez,mavinga.

Gallardo on bench hope to see what he can do, endoh getting some respect

Defoe
08-10-2019, 05:48 PM
Shaffelburg starting over both our new TAM signings smh. Been waiting 5 weeks for Gallardo to start with quality around him

Mikmacdo
08-10-2019, 06:03 PM
Endoh and shaff need to take a seat. Wonder who plays leftback between auro and laryea.

MightyDM
08-10-2019, 06:13 PM
Some strange decisions here. Why not play Endoh all year if he is better than the TAM guys? Why start Marky Wednesday if he was going to start today? Auro struggles defensively on his proper side, like WTF?

ag futbol
08-10-2019, 06:15 PM
Some of these guys must not be healthy. What else could explain this?

I’d back Laryea for this game. Certainly he must want to show Orlando what they missed out on.

Mikmacdo
08-10-2019, 06:17 PM
Three tam players on the bench in a must win.

MightyDM
08-10-2019, 06:22 PM
I’m glad Laryea is playing. But if you are going to sit Oso, why not start him on Wednesday? And I don’t get sitting BOTH the new guys.

khso11
08-10-2019, 06:24 PM
Yes, let’s sit both Benezet and Gallardo so Orlando can get a head start, genius!

SirBobSaget
08-10-2019, 06:25 PM
Orlando is stacking the middle. So Vanney shielding the CBs with 2 defensively responsible midfielders, then unleashing the offense on the width with attacking fullbacks and wingers.

SirBobSaget
08-10-2019, 06:27 PM
Yes, let’s sit both Benezet and Gallardo so Orlando can get a head start, genius!

Endoh is going to run his socks off for 60 mins going box to box then get subbed. He's earned the start.

khso11
08-10-2019, 06:30 PM
Endoh is going to run his socks off for 60 mins going box to box then get subbed. He's earned the start.

That depends on what the score is. I hope it all goes to plan, but nothing is this season.

James17930
08-10-2019, 06:33 PM
Some of these guys must not be healthy. What else could explain this?

I’d back Laryea for this game. Certainly he must want to show Orlando what they missed out on.

Also, they're not fully acclimated to the team yet. Makes sense for them to start on the bench.

James17930
08-10-2019, 06:51 PM
Omar, Sheesh, get those passes right.

ag futbol
08-10-2019, 06:55 PM
Orlando is stacking the middle. So Vanney shielding the CBs with 2 defensively responsible midfielders, then unleashing the offense on the width with attacking fullbacks and wingers.
The problem here is that’s a textbook approach and ignores the quality of the players we are using vs. the ones we aren’t.

Anyway, we’ll see how it plays out but I’d call this foolish if it’s driven purely by tactics.

SirBobSaget
08-10-2019, 07:05 PM
The problem here is that’s a textbook approach and ignores the quality of the players we are using vs. the ones we aren’t.

Anyway, we’ll see how it plays out but I’d call this foolish if it’s driven purely by tactics.

Vanney seems to start conservatively trying to counter the opposition then unleash fresh attackers late game. of course this has backfired lately (see Houston).

DinamoTFC
08-10-2019, 07:15 PM
Another boring game, yikes. Hopefully second half when we see Gallardo it's better.

portu
08-10-2019, 07:16 PM
Jozy's ditched Puma.

SirBobSaget
08-10-2019, 07:19 PM
Shaffelburg's been figured out, not as productive. Expecting Endoh and Shaff to be subbed out shortly after half

notthesun
08-10-2019, 07:24 PM
Shaffelburg's been figured out, not as productive. Expecting Endoh and Shaff to be subbed out shortly after half

Yeah, we should be settling him into the 75th minute, attack tired fullbacks role. He's being played on his left foot even more heavily than Morgan sees.

notthesun
08-10-2019, 07:26 PM
This needs to change at halftime. Altidore is barely getting on the ball, all we're doing is playing static crosses straight into their CBs.

barticusz
08-10-2019, 07:28 PM
Shaff and endoh need to get subbed.

SirBobSaget
08-10-2019, 07:30 PM
Yeah, we should be settling him into the 75th minute, attack tired fullbacks role. He's being played on his left foot even more heavily than Morgan sees.

Yep the defenders shield the left foot and dare the cut back where Shaffelburg has no ideas.

On a CMNT note Miller has looked good.

stevep
08-10-2019, 07:30 PM
Shaff and endoh need to get subbed.

Yess

SirBobSaget
08-10-2019, 07:33 PM
Shaff and endoh need to get subbed.

Yep Vanney gave a chance to the guys that performed last weeks before giving their spots to the new signings. But Endoh and Shaff have lost the advantage of being unknown elements so are now accounted for and neutralized. They're now pretty much no threat.

barticusz
08-10-2019, 07:36 PM
Shaff can still be a threat as a sub especially with his speed. It can open things up late in games. But as everyone has mentioned he’s being neutralized each time and we need a win from this game. I don’t know if benezet or Gallardo are they answer but they’re the acquisitions and it is time for them to step up.

Defoe
08-10-2019, 07:39 PM
Yep Vanney gave a chance to the guys that performed last weeks before giving their spots to the new signings. But Endoh and Shaff have lost the advantage of being unknown elements so are now accounted for and neutralized. They're now pretty much no threat.

Unless we have a blind spot here and there is some sort of illness, minute restriction or some other unknown variable, not starting 3 TAM players in a must win game is a coaching error and he should be rightfully criticized

daner90
08-10-2019, 07:40 PM
Need to find a way to force the ball into the middle. Working the wings is just one bad attack after another and Jozy might as well not even move because he is completely left out of the attack.

barticusz
08-10-2019, 07:45 PM
.... are our TAM signings a bust or what? Let’s see what the big money acquisitions can do.

barticusz
08-10-2019, 07:47 PM
Why the hell are they always trying to walk the ball in. Just shoot the damn thing!!!

Inklink
08-10-2019, 07:48 PM
Delgado's had many bad giveaways

stegosaurus
08-10-2019, 07:48 PM
Typhoon keeps internet alive... for this? I’m not sure how I’ve even managed to stay awake.

Auro and Laryea looked pretty decent, even with Laryea on the opposite side.

Other than that, agree with those saying Bubbleberg should probably be coming on late for the speed and energy. I think he lost his spot with this game.

SirBobSaget
08-10-2019, 07:50 PM
Might be Delgado out rather than Endoh good lord whats an offense kill machine

69Chevy396
08-10-2019, 07:51 PM
I need a good laugh, anybody locate a stream for this game?

stegosaurus
08-10-2019, 07:54 PM
I need a good laugh, anybody locate a stream for this game?

Footybite used to, and the links are typically posted on Reddit as well.

notthesun
08-10-2019, 07:55 PM
I feel like if Laryea stays down that gets flagged for a VAR review...

69Chevy396
08-10-2019, 07:57 PM
Footybite used to, and the links are typically posted on Reddit as well.
thanks

SirBobSaget
08-10-2019, 07:59 PM
Why isnt Bradley allowed to run forward like he did in philly/ He sits back while Delgado gets forward.

SirBobSaget
08-10-2019, 08:03 PM
Just double sub attack ASAP Vanney. wHY WAIT oRLANDO ISNT INTERSTED IN WINNING

daner90
08-10-2019, 08:07 PM
Don't wait too long here Vanney, great time to bring in some more offensive skill from the bench

khso11
08-10-2019, 08:10 PM
Yes, now we can see Gallardo!!!

barticusz
08-10-2019, 08:10 PM
These guys have no chemistry. Piss poor game again.

Inklink
08-10-2019, 08:10 PM
lmao brainless team.

benito
08-10-2019, 08:10 PM
What the hell?!

Defoe
08-10-2019, 08:11 PM
Yes, now we can see Gallardo!!!

Nah he has to wait a bit longer, just long enough that we don’t have a chance

notthesun
08-10-2019, 08:11 PM
This would be an absolutely pathetic loss.

khso11
08-10-2019, 08:11 PM
Nvm, it’s Mullins lol

69Chevy396
08-10-2019, 08:12 PM
I found a stream just in time to watch Orlando score. Ipad going to sleep now.

James17930
08-10-2019, 08:12 PM
Someone shoot me.

SirBobSaget
08-10-2019, 08:12 PM
Nelsen got canned sliding to the lower playoff spots in August. Vanney is missing playoffs 2 years consecutive. oh but wait Parrick Mullins were OK keep going Vanney.

portu
08-10-2019, 08:12 PM
Vanney can't bitch and moan about wingers all season and throw Patrick fucking Mullins in the match. Vanney. Out.

benito
08-10-2019, 08:13 PM
Oh my. Jozy and Layrea both had chances.

SirBobSaget
08-10-2019, 08:13 PM
Mullins f-off Vanney.

Inklink
08-10-2019, 08:14 PM
Did Gallardo have a leg cut off or something? What the fk is his deal.

Inklink
08-10-2019, 08:16 PM
Flop?

leafsman
08-10-2019, 08:17 PM
I thought you were supposed to get cards for surrounding the ref?

Inklink
08-10-2019, 08:18 PM
Mullins! lol Vanney redeemed.

SirBobSaget
08-10-2019, 08:18 PM
Haha Mullins scores OK then. Now go for it Vanney, Endoh off.

daner90
08-10-2019, 08:18 PM
Just how Vanney drew it up lol

benito
08-10-2019, 08:18 PM
Super sub, lol.

stegosaurus
08-10-2019, 08:18 PM
Gotta say, the CSL match I was at the other day was better than this, and more exciting.

On the plus side, I spoke to Rafa Benitez and confirmed that he would be willing to coach an MLS side at some point. Spoke to a few players as well (mostly about European football and the World Cup, as well as the CSL), and while I think Hamsik’s legs are gone he showed interest in MLS. Carrasco said he was looking to return to Europe but nothing is beyond the realms of possibility.

I guess shittalking Mullins earlier worked.

SirBobSaget
08-10-2019, 08:22 PM
Gotta say, the CSL match I was at the other day was better than this, and more exciting.

On the plus side, I spoke to Rafa Benitez and confirmed that he would be willing to coach an MLS side at some point. Spoke to a few players as well (mostly about European football and the World Cup, as well as the CSL), and while I think Hamsik’s legs are gone he showed interest in MLS. Carrasco said he was looking to return to Europe but nothing is beyond the realms of possibility.

I guess shittalking Mullins earlier worked.

Benitez would be a dream. A brilliant mind with no ego with complete loyalty to the cause.

Inklink
08-10-2019, 08:24 PM
Caldwell's shtick of calling every tackle good and every booking bad is really tiresome.

khso11
08-10-2019, 08:26 PM
Pls make a sub Vanney, be bold for once!

notthesun
08-10-2019, 08:27 PM
Are we really about to leave Gallardo and Benezet on the bench for the whole game?

SirBobSaget
08-10-2019, 08:27 PM
Pls make a sub Vanney, be bold for once!
You want Morgan for a defense sub!!!!???? Here you go! Why would Vanney risk losing a home game to a bottom team? Gotta protect the draw.

ensco
08-10-2019, 08:27 PM
Gotta say, the CSL match I was at the other day was better than this, and more exciting.

The MLS playoff system is a shield for underperforming teams like TFC. They don’t get the criticism they would get anywhere else for being 17th in the league with the third highest payroll.

MightyDM
08-10-2019, 08:28 PM
Bad vibe about Curtis Vanney relationship. Need to win. Need a goal. And we have two million dollars worth of wingers on the bench.

Richard
08-10-2019, 08:30 PM
Vanney must be looking to get fired.

9 games left and you leave 3(two of which were signed to help immediately) high salary players on the bench.

SirBobSaget
08-10-2019, 08:30 PM
Bad vibe about Curtis Vanney relationship. Need to win. Need a goal. And we have two million dollars worth of wingers on the bench.

After he threw a hissy fit i want my 4-3-3 in the CCL getitng thrashed in Panama playing reserve players on the wings.

DinamoTFC
08-10-2019, 08:36 PM
Vanney needs to go. Anyone is needed for a breath of fresh air. He's lost the plot.

benito
08-10-2019, 08:36 PM
Another wasted game.

Inklink
08-10-2019, 08:37 PM
So he grabbed the shoulder he didn't fall on.

Defoe
08-10-2019, 08:38 PM
I’m one of the late ones to join the party, but this is the moment in time and day where I joined the Vanney out team. 45 minutes from Shaff tonight will do it

Leedsoronto
08-10-2019, 08:39 PM
It finishes in Toronto nil nil lol “idiot comentators

SirBobSaget
08-10-2019, 08:39 PM
18 million $ from TFC were a non factor at home. The Captain in the last play coulnt manage a shot within 20 feet of goal. If Vanney is still in charge Monaday I will be shocked.

notthesun
08-10-2019, 08:40 PM
Yeah... I think I have to say I've had it with Vanney now too. There shouldn't be any excuses for not winning this game. I don't know why, he just can't seem to get us playing with any flow anymore.

He'll get the rest of the season but I think this is probably it for him barring some major miracles.

khso11
08-10-2019, 08:40 PM
You want Morgan for a defense sub!!!!???? Here you go! Why would Vanney risk losing a home game to a bottom team? Gotta protect the draw.

LOLOL!!! I wouldn’t be too surprised if he actually did that.

Richard
08-10-2019, 08:41 PM
Fire Curtis and Vanney, and have Manning on a tight leash.

The past 18 months have been nothing but catastrophic, we go from nearly making the club world cup to this trash.

Canary10
08-10-2019, 08:41 PM
Really disappointing stuff given our need for home points. Great game from Laryea. That’s about the only positive I can say.

Oldtimer
08-10-2019, 08:42 PM
Vanney does a good tactical change to 4-4-2 and it changes the whole complexity of the game. Too bad TFC could not finish one of several chances they had.

Good to see Mullins get the goal. I hope he at least gets another this season (doubling what he got for the Crew last year).

ag futbol
08-10-2019, 08:44 PM
Really disappointing stuff given our need for home points. Great game from Laryea. That’s about the only positive I can say.
Yeah, that’s something at least. Give this guy credit, he is reverse Kaye’ing for us.


Yeah... I think I have to say I've had it with Vanney now too. There shouldn't be any excuses for not winning this game. I don't know why, he just can't seem to get us playing with any flow anymore.

He'll get the rest of the season but I think this is probably it for him barring some major miracles.
Agreed. Something really isn’t right here. Change is needed but damned if I know exactly what that is supposed to be.

69Chevy396
08-10-2019, 08:44 PM
I just watched my first 45 min in a long while. TFC is a mediocre MLS team, plain and simple.

GerMc
08-10-2019, 08:45 PM
#VanneyOut

The coaching decisions tonight were incomprehensible. The team was flat for most of the night and he just pretty much did nothing until it was too late like he always does. The Osorio sub made no sense. We needed speed out side, which he doesn’t provide. Then he say pat until the 70th mintiest when the team in the field wasn’t doing it. Then he brings on Mullins. Again no speed (though he did score). Then he waits until the 85th Minute to bring on one of our expensive TAM hires.

we needed all three points in tonight.

At at this point maybe firing the coach will light a fire under the team.

barticusz
08-10-2019, 08:46 PM
As angry as I am with Vanney, I don’t think a change at this point will do anything. The players need to perform as well.

Interestingly enough as I’m raging over Vanneys lineup I just checked MOntreal. Piatti, Lassi, Bojan, All on the bench. Montreal down 1-0 to Chicago.

Oldtimer
08-10-2019, 08:52 PM
Vanney can't bitch and moan about wingers all season and throw Patrick fucking Mullins in the match. Vanney. Out.


Mullins f-off Vanney.


Mullins! lol Vanney redeemed.

Lol.

SirBobSaget
08-10-2019, 08:56 PM
As angry as I am with Vanney, I don’t think a change at this point will do anything. The players need to perform as well.

Interestingly enough as I’m raging over Vanneys lineup I just checked MOntreal. Piatti, Lassi, Bojan, All on the bench. Montreal down 1-0 to Chicago.

Forget Montreal. Toronto has then highest paid roster and they are bottom half 2 years in a row.

SirBobSaget
08-10-2019, 08:58 PM
Lol.

oh he really showed us nay sayers drawing the 2nd worst team at home.

Oldtimer
08-10-2019, 08:58 PM
My analysis, the problem wasn't as much personnel as it was team attitude. It looked that they were afraid of getting scored on rather than trying to score, at least until the end. They gave Orlando way too much respect.

Is that due to Vanney (I doubt it, he always wants attack), the assistants, something in the locker room? I wish I knew. Winning teams develop a more positive attitude and a swagger, this team is missing that.

ag futbol
08-10-2019, 09:03 PM
Well, that and he left all our TAM players on the bench. There’s something really weird going on here with player selection. We’ve seen this one too many times.

GerMc
08-10-2019, 09:03 PM
My analysis, the problem wasn't as much personnel as it was team attitude. It looked that they were afraid of getting scored on rather than trying to score, at least until the end. They gave Orlando way too much respect.

Is that due to Vanney (I doubt it, he always wants attack), the assistants, something in the locker room? I wish I knew. Winning teams develop a more positive attitude and a swagger, this team is missing that.

Sorry if Vanney always says that he wants the team to attack and the team doesn’t attack, then that is a coaching problem. If he can’t get the team to play his game then he should be fired.

Oldtimer
08-10-2019, 09:04 PM
Forget Montreal. Toronto has then highest paid roster and they are bottom half 2 years in a row.

The roster isn't well constructed and lacks balance. Paying more for Jozy and Bradley doesn't mean the team is better. There are cheaper DPs that are far more effective than those two.

You can't just add up the salaries and say dollars should equal success.

General Woolfe
08-10-2019, 09:05 PM
This season continues to go from bad to worst. I no longer have any faith we’ll make the playofffs, and even if we do, we’re not going very deep. Curtis has taken us back to pre-2015 levels. His marque signing, Pozuelo is no Giovinco, he’s not even a replacement for Vazquez. Talented player without doubt but completely unable to dictate a game the way Vazquez or Giovinco could. The rest of his signings are nothing more than run of the mill MLS journeymen. In the last three games we should confidently have expected at least 6 or 7 points. Instead we got one.

Its clearly time for a clear out, from GM, through Coach, and players. We will achieve nothing this year with this squad so Monday should see the search for a GM with a vision begin, followed by a coaching staff capable of picking and playing his strongest side with consistency, and with the ability to make changes that will actually influence games, rather than make subs just for the sake of it.

Im gutted tonight after watching that dross. It was our chance to gain a foothold on a playoff spot, but instead we squander the opportunity to kill off Orlando and put pressure on NER. My faith has gone, just like the champions of 2017, and all I can see ahead are the dark days where we lost more points than we gained, unless we make changes at the highest level.

I thought it strange that Seba, Vazquez and Bez left so close to each other. (It looks like Bradley is going to follow them too) Perhaps they saw the writing on the wall that after a championship season MLSEs ambition for the club had gone and they were satisfied with that and about to shift priorities. It sure looks that way with our transfer business since 2017.

Oldtimer
08-10-2019, 09:08 PM
Sorry if Vanney always says that he wants the team to attack and the team doesn’t attack, then that is a coaching problem. If he can’t get the team to play his game then he should be fired.

That may possibly be true. I'm not sure where the problem is.

I'm loath to dump the coach that has the best record of all coaches in TFC history. You can easily end up like Vancouver when they dumped Robbo for a flashier coach and look at the dumpster fire there.

Canary10
08-10-2019, 09:08 PM
What’s the deal with Gallardo?

stegosaurus
08-10-2019, 09:10 PM
What’s the deal with Gallardo?

The only thing I can see are that this was a must win and Vanney didn’t want to introduce him right now, but every game is basically a must win at this point.

Other than that perhaps he aggravated his injury playing on turf in Ottawa?

No clue.

ag futbol
08-10-2019, 09:11 PM
That may possibly be true. I'm not sure where the problem is.

I'm loath to dump the coach that has the best record of all coaches in TFC history. You can easily end up like Vancouver when they dumped Robbo for a flashier coach and look at the dumpster fire there.
It is possible that after this season the best coach in TFC history will have only have 2 winning seasons in 4. And that ignores the first season when he took over (and didn’t achieve a winning record either).

OgtheDim
08-10-2019, 09:11 PM
Well we have the makings of a good team for 2020.

Frasier needs to get in somebody to work on the defense.

I'd take a real RB & a shuttler replacement for Delgado.

69Chevy396
08-10-2019, 09:22 PM
This season continues to go from bad to worst. I no longer have any faith we’ll make the playofffs, and even if we do, we’re not going very deep. Curtis has taken us back to pre-2015 levels. His marque signing, Pozuelo is no Giovinco, he’s not even a replacement for Vazquez. Talented player without doubt but completely unable to dictate a game the way Vazquez or Giovinco could. The rest of his signings are nothing more than run of the mill MLS journeymen. In the last three games we should confidently have expected at least 6 or 7 points. Instead we got one.

Its clearly time for a clear out, from GM, through Coach, and players. We will achieve nothing this year with this squad so Monday should see the search for a GM with a vision begin, followed by a coaching staff capable of picking and playing his strongest side with consistency, and with the ability to make changes that will actually influence games, rather than make subs just for the sake of it.

Im gutted tonight after watching that dross. It was our chance to gain a foothold on a playoff spot, but instead we squander the opportunity to kill off Orlando and put pressure on NER. My faith has gone, just like the champions of 2017, and all I can see ahead are the dark days where we lost more points than we gained, unless we make changes at the highest level.

I thought it strange that Seba, Vazquez and Bez left so close to each other. (It looks like Bradley is going to follow them too) Perhaps they saw the writing on the wall that after a championship season MLSEs ambition for the club had gone and they were satisfied with that and about to shift priorities. It sure looks that way with our transfer business since 2017.

Perfect assessment.
When VV and Seba left, the magic followed. For what little I have seen this season, it is glaringly apparent that the possession football that worked so well in 2016 and 2017, has collapsed because we have nobody who can provide that trickery in the box....look at Osorio’s dead foot now, or Morrows...he ain’t scoring 8 goals as season any time soon....and Bradley...yes Bradley...why the fuck are we paying a midfielder, who rarely scores, rarely assists, and runs slower than me (I am 61), 5 or 6 mil per season? Yes we all love him, but a team that can’t score, is a team that can’t win. When you see the strides made recently by the expansion sides, you wonder where it all went wrong...

pfk
08-10-2019, 09:38 PM
What a shambolic game. This was a must win and these guys blew it. My confidence in TFC making the playoffs is nearly zero after seeing this poor performance.

Delgado was especially awful tonight. Why he was in the game for that long on a card with a piss poor performance?

What’s the point of all these new wingers where one of them is going to play five minutes. What the hell, Vanney?!

Thomas
08-10-2019, 09:40 PM
Im a big fan, but this was a pathetic showing. No more excuses. No injuries, and all of the new TAM guys available to boot. Orlando are not a good team and we should have trounced them at home. Osario was completely absent from the match. FYI.....Pozuelo was never intended to be a Giovinco replacement. Oh well, I’ll be going from a long term Season ticket holder to the occasional match.


Perfect assessment.
When VV and Seba left, the magic followed. For what little I have seen this season, it is glaringly apparent that the possession football that worked so well in 2016 and 2017, has collapsed because we have nobody who can provide that trickery in the box....look at Osorio’s dead foot now, or Morrows...he ain’t scoring 8 goals as season any time soon....and Bradley...yes Bradley...why the fuck are we paying a midfielder, who rarely scores, rarely assists, and runs slower than me (I am 61), 5 or 6 mil per season? Yes we all love him, but a team that can’t score, is a team that can’t win. When you see the strides made recently by the expansion sides, you wonder where it all went wrong...

stevep
08-10-2019, 09:44 PM
What’s the deal with Gallardo?


maybe he's garbage??

Mikmacdo
08-10-2019, 10:07 PM
Vanney needs to go. He cries all year that he doesnt have any wingers and then when he finally does he sits them. Why wasnt he playing shaff and endoh early on when they had no wingers? He brings in osorio for shaff instead of awful ass delgado who is allergic of thé net. Bradley is a joke of a dp. Where was laryea on the goal? Delgado didnt cover properly.

Dont blame curtis he got vanney what he wanted but now he refuses to use them.

Oldtimer
08-10-2019, 11:07 PM
Dont blame curtis he got vanney what he wanted but now he refuses to use them.

What evidence do we have that these players are any good? Maybe Vanney did not play them because they are not.

I'm not convinced that Curtis can put together a winning team. He didn't impress in New York.

Even if they turn out to be decent enough, they can't have learned the team's style that quickly. Not everyone is a Victor Vazquez who contributes immediately.

Auzzy
08-10-2019, 11:12 PM
Waiting until the 85th minute to make the third sub was absolutely inexcusable. As was leaving many expensive subs on the bench for so long. If those much-bandied-about TAM players aren't any good, then it's better that they show us that, rather than leaving everyone guessing.

Plus Benezet was good when he came on. He just didn't have enough time to really influence the game.

EDIT This probably goes in the other thread. But I feel no hope or excitement about #VanneyOut, although it may very well happen. I don't know if Curtis/Manning would be able to find us a good coach. Plus I'm worried about the player turnover and random signings that would follow. Oh well.

stevep
08-10-2019, 11:14 PM
If anyone has any doubts left that the media are just shills for MLSE the Vanney post game press conference should put that notion to bed.
not one question of why the 2 new TAM wingers did not start. not one
you would think that would be the first thing they would ask

noimpactinmtl
08-10-2019, 11:42 PM
If anyone has any doubts left that the media are just shills for MLSE the Vanney post game press conference should put that notion to bed.
not one question of why the 2 new TAM wingers did not start. not one
you would think that would be the first thing they would ask

Rogers just laid off Molinaro, who congrats to him, now has a role with CPL. Laura Armstrong and Joshua Kloke are the only full time Toronto FC reporters who have no affiliation with MLSE.

It says more about the dwindling resources and lack of interest than anything else. Or Walking The Red can start applying for media passes.

Auzzy
08-10-2019, 11:46 PM
Rogers just laid off Molinaro, who congrats to him, now has a role with CPL. Laura Armstrong and Joshua Kloke are the only full time Toronto FC reporters who have no affiliation with MLSE.

It says more about the dwindling resources and lack of interest than anything else. Or Walking The Red can start applying for media passes.

Laura Armstrong is far from a full-time TFC reporter. She's been spread thin over multiple sports for more than a year now. She hardly ever reports on TFC anymore.

Steve Buffery (Sun) and Michael Leach (680 News / OneSoccer) report far more about TFC now.

Red CB Toronto
08-11-2019, 12:09 AM
Rogers just laid off Molinaro, who congrats to him, now has a role with CPL. Laura Armstrong and Joshua Kloke are the only full time Toronto FC reporters who have no affiliation with MLSE.

It says more about the dwindling resources and lack of interest than anything else. Or Walking The Red can start applying for media passes.

And I would not even say Laura is a full time TFC beat type anymore, she is pretty much Jays all the time now. Beezer spends more time on it than she does.

Red CB Toronto
08-11-2019, 02:06 AM
This photo sums up the type of game it was for the Reds on Saturday night.

http://binaryapi.ap.org/f396a28d60f4463fbcf10da320522256/preview/AP19223087161542.jpg?wm=api&ver=0

Canary10
08-11-2019, 04:46 AM
Vanney not playing Gallardo at this point tells me he has no confidence in him. Whether he’s good or not is another question. Vanney has a strange way of assessing players sometimes. I have a feeling he doesn’t like his work ethic or something along those lines.

MightyDM
08-11-2019, 05:44 AM
The people who are criticizing Shaff must have not been at the game. He was dynamic and exciting and the most impactful player on the pitch in the first half. I was equally baffled by the substitution. Oso was really hustling and very good on the ball, but if the coach thought the team needed that why not change the formation - or bring him on for Marky. Given how Bezenet looked, it’s puzzling why he didn’t come on earlier - for example, a double change Oso for Marky and Bezenet for Shaff. We had complete control of that game but never really looked like scoring, until after they scored.

jozy a bit anonymous most of the game. Poz not great either - not impactful. The team looked afraid to shoot, afraid to attack.

A far cry from the CCL TFC

MightyDM
08-11-2019, 05:55 AM
I don’t want Vanney to go. But I do want him to stop making these strange lineup decisions. This game was crying out for a sub for the 5 - 7 minutes before they scored. And not Mullins really, one of the wingers - his goal didn’t make it the right sub. But, good for Mullins. Scruffy goal but his runs were good - he looked a proper MLS player at least.

Bezenet looked unplayable when when he was on. Potential there.

very disappointed no one asked Vanney about the players on the bench. Maybe KJ and Caldwell will talk about it on the podcast. The season is slipping away like last year did.

JuliquE
08-11-2019, 06:54 AM
The people who are criticizing Shaff must have not been at the game. He was dynamic and exciting and the most impactful player on the pitch in the first half. I was equally baffled by the substitution. Oso was really hustling and very good on the ball, but if the coach thought the team needed that why not change the formation - or bring him on for Marky. Given how Bezenet looked, it’s puzzling why he didn’t come on earlier - for example, a double change Oso for Marky and Bezenet for Shaff. We had complete control of that game but never really looked like scoring, until after they scored.

jozy a bit anonymous most of the game. Poz not great either - not impactful. The team looked afraid to shoot, afraid to attack.

A far cry from the CCL TFC
Alas, this is fair. *sigh*

I liked Endo's endeavour, as well, with his more direct approach.

There may have been a method to the madness that was this line-up selection, but it must be conceded that it didn't come off.

MightyDM
08-11-2019, 06:54 AM
My analysis, the problem wasn't as much personnel as it was team attitude. It looked that they were afraid of getting scored on rather than trying to score, at least until the end. They gave Orlando way too much respect.

Is that due to Vanney (I doubt it, he always wants attack), the assistants, something in the locker room? I wish I knew. Winning teams develop a more positive attitude and a swagger, this team is missing that.

This was how it felt at the game. I had a friend from England there and he said they looked nervous

MightyDM
08-11-2019, 06:57 AM
Well, that and he left all our TAM players on the bench. There’s something really weird going on here with player selection. We’ve seen this one too many times.

Yes. But what is it?

stegosaurus
08-11-2019, 07:01 AM
Yes. But what is it?

他还That’s the point, I guess. There’s something but no one can figure out what it is (or what the combination of factors is), though there are many things to choose from.

OgtheDim
08-11-2019, 07:08 AM
The people who are criticizing Shaff must have not been at the game. He was dynamic and exciting and the most impactful player on the pitch in the first half.

And couldn't get the ball past the first man on every single cross he tried to put in. I like Shaff. I think he is tired and is battered up and was injured in the first half.

I'm like you though - I would have much preferred Delgado off for Osorio. But part of me is beginning to think Bradley needs a shield bearer of late & the rest of the mids baring Delgado are not the type to do that.


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Random thoughts from last night

Wonderful night for a game & a good crowd.

Laryea is fast & loves that end line. His shoulder separated & he put it back in himself. He goes down too much, refs know this & he doesn't get the calls. On their goal, him & Endoh were out of position having not realised they brought speed on that wing just to cause Laryea issues if he got caught up field. Laryea is not a defender

Nani & Dwyer deserve each other - whining "all about me" types & not the sort of leaders I want on my team.

That ref is in his 50's -this league HAS to move on from some of these guys. Stott is OK but its time.

Mavinga & Gonzalez is a back partnership I can live with - yes they make mistakes (they are in MLS for reasons). But their positioning is excellent.

Auro at LB largely worked.

Shaff stretches teams but his crossing has regressed in the last few weeks.

Endoh is a handful & I would gladly have him or DeLeon starting over Delgado. When Endoh has a chance to shoot, I know its either going to be on frame or really close. Delgado is going over the net - every time.

I'm done with Delgado - so done.

Did their goalie even make a save? We shot wide & past the post so many times. Jozy missed a sitter, as did Poz.

Mullins is a reminder not to judge a player by the situations he has been put into for his first few games. I couldn't believe he was coming in - it seemed classic Vanney trusts this new guy syndrome. For once, it worked. Mullins was energetic, moving the ball back and forth and gave the mids somebody else to interplay with. He's no Seba - but in this team, with these guys, as a sub playing along with Jozy, he is better then Rickets would be.

We are very good at getting the ball into dangerous situations near the box - we actually do that better then any other team in this league, including LAFC. Its all actually very entertaining. And then...well, lets just say, our success rate on the next step from there, creating that opening for a shot, is not so good. Teams collapse down on us tightly, which is why we see the attempted intricate play stuff.

Benezet puts himself about but I get the feeling defending and him are not going to get along.

stegosaurus
08-11-2019, 07:43 AM
And couldn't get the ball past the first man on every single cross he tried to put in. I like Shaff. I think he is tired and is battered up and was injured in the first half.

I'm like you though - I would have much preferred Delgado off for Osorio. But part of me is beginning to think Bradley needs a shield bearer of late & the rest of the mids baring Delgado are not the type to do that.


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Random thoughts from last night

Wonderful night for a game & a good crowd.

Laryea is fast & loves that end line. His shoulder separated & he put it back in himself. He goes down too much, refs know this & he doesn't get the calls. On their goal, him & Endoh were out of position having not realised they brought speed on that wing just to cause Laryea issues if he got caught up field. Laryea is not a defender

Nani & Dwyer deserve each other - whining "all about me" types & not the sort of leaders I want on my team.

That ref is in his 50's -this league HAS to move on from some of these guys. Stott is OK but its time.

Mavinga & Gonzalez is a back partnership I can live with - yes they make mistakes (they are in MLS for reasons). But their positioning is excellent.

Auro at LB largely worked.

Shaff stretches teams but his crossing has regressed in the last few weeks.

Endoh is a handful & I would gladly have him or DeLeon starting over Delgado. When Endoh has a chance to shoot, I know its either going to be on frame or really close. Delgado is going over the net - every time.

I'm done with Delgado - so done.

Did their goalie even make a save? We shot wide & past the post so many times. Jozy missed a sitter, as did Poz.

Mullins is a reminder not to judge a player by the situations he has been put into for his first few games. I couldn't believe he was coming in - it seemed classic Vanney trusts this new guy syndrome. For once, it worked. Mullins was energetic, moving the ball back and forth and gave the mids somebody else to interplay with. He's no Seba - but in this team, with these guys, as a sub playing along with Jozy, he is better then Rickets would be.

We are very good at getting the ball into dangerous situations near the box - we actually do that better then any other team in this league, including LAFC. Its all actually very entertaining. And then...well, lets just say, our success rate on the next step from there, creating that opening for a shot, is not so good. Teams collapse down on us tightly, which is why we see the attempted intricate play stuff.

Benezet puts himself about but I get the feeling defending and him are not going to get along.

Hilariously enough, Cyle Larin’s best bud has been one of the best players on the team this season — speed and endless hustle. He does dive far too often, and looks for contact in the box. Someone else said maybe it’s because he doesn’t trust himself to take the final touch, which wouldn’t surprise me, but overall, and on his salary, he’s been very good going forward. You’re right though — can’t defend.

Auro looked better tonight than he normally does, and he was playing out of position.

Benezet is incapable of defending, so I don’t think we’ll ever see that happen.

Your random thoughts are pretty similar to my own.

The one thing I’m still not convinced of is Osorio. He doesn’t fit the system Vanney wants to play, and he’s too expensive to keep on the bench (unless we become the TAM bench team). He could pick up some defensive ability and play in the Delgado role, but he’s too expensive for that. His performances have been meh when he has been on, so he’s a bit of a conundrum at this point. His passing was pretty crisp tonight but he’s never going to get any faster either.

Mikmacdo
08-11-2019, 08:22 AM
When I was watching the game, I was thinking how Delgado couldn’t score to save his life and that maybe they should push Bradley up the field and then he totally botches an attempt on goal at the end of the game lol. Delgado could probably be useful if he didn’t have to push up the field. Maybe he could be the DM, Osorio the CM and then Pozuelo the AM. I honestly think the biggest problem with the team is Bradley. I am not sure he would even be a good TAM signing at this point.

We need another DP who can put the ball in the net. Hell a guy like Nani would have been amazing for this team (winger, sell tickets to local Portuguese). I wonder if a guy like William would want to come to MLS next year.

JuliquE
08-11-2019, 09:02 AM
Hilariously enough, Cyle Larin’s best bud has been one of the best players on the team this season — speed and endless hustle. He does dive far too often, and looks for contact in the box. Someone else said maybe it’s because he doesn’t trust himself to take the final touch, which wouldn’t surprise me, but overall, and on his salary, he’s been very good going forward. You’re right though — can’t defend.

Auro looked better tonight than he normally does, and he was playing out of position.

Benezet is incapable of defending, so I don’t think we’ll ever see that happen.

Your random thoughts are pretty similar to my own.

The one thing I’m still not convinced of is Osorio. He doesn’t fit the system Vanney wants to play, and he’s too expensive to keep on the bench (unless we become the TAM bench team). He could pick up some defensive ability and play in the Delgado role, but he’s too expensive for that. His performances have been meh when he has been on, so he’s a bit of a conundrum at this point. His passing was pretty crisp tonight but he’s never going to get any faster either.
Funny you say that about Osorio, as there was a defensive burst he made, at one point (forgive me for not remembering when; was late, here, and I was tired), where I made a double-take, shocked at the speed he managed.

You're right, though: it is a tough one; I think he's struggling for fitness, and, as a result, lacking confidence, in the absence of a respectable body of work, this season. I still think, if utilized properly, he can pull his weight (even on his salary)… but it's a difficult one, to be sure, and Vanney's not much time to figure it out.

It is very strange and worrying that all our attacking TAM players started on the bench—like, that's got to have prior been unprecedented in the league.

Something's definitely off, and I think, as much as we've been relatively underwhelmed by the signings, so has Vanney, even if he tries, at times, to make lemonade with what he's given (more often seems to be making a statement about the quality he's got at his disposal).



When I was watching the game, I was thinking how Delgado couldn’t score to save his life and that maybe they should push Bradley up the field and then he totally botches an attempt on goal at the end of the game lol. Delgado could probably be useful if he didn’t have to push up the field. Maybe he could be the DM, Osorio the CM and then Pozuelo the AM. I honestly think the biggest problem with the team is Bradley. I am not sure he would even be a good TAM signing at this point.

We need another DP who can put the ball in the net. Hell a guy like Nani would have been amazing for this team (winger, sell tickets to local Portuguese). I wonder if a guy like William would want to come to MLS next year.
Spot on; this was the game—that shot was the moment, when I really had to scratch my head at where Bradley fits in, anymore, and if we couldn't do better with a TAM signing.

That said, and when I came down from the disappointment, it was clear to me Bradley's still got quality in him; there's something to be said for him not getting reps further up the field in recent years (read: he can't just turn it on, at will). I think, if, going into the off-season, we rework Bradley's roll into being more two-way, and, as you say, having Delgado or someone else we maybe sign, play a DM, we might be able to get more out of him, at this point. The only problem is that leave's Osorio as the odd man out (which I wouldn't be happy with).

The growing sentiment seems to be that one of Bradley and Osorio must go, as we're rather unbalanced; it will be harder to move the latter, and so we might just be seeing the end of an era, with Bradley likely playing out his last season with us. Something about the wording, over the broadcast, when they brought up his contractual situation, had a feel like that surrounding Kawhi—like he's already decided to go, but doesn't want to be a distraction (especially as club captain). I mean, if he were staying, you'd think they'd be happy to announce it, A.S.A.P. and switch focus from things off the pitch; there's obviously a chance he stays, but I don't feel it's the likeliest outcome.

Willian would be a dream.

FootBallAZ
08-11-2019, 09:40 AM
Pozo gave up the run on Orlando's goal.
Hit one off the post, and had some passes that lacked finishing touch.

Delgado shoulda been pulled, Bradley should never shoot outside the 18, one touch and he could have opened his hips and guided the ball towards the .net.

Tfc goal was absolutely lucky.
Vanney needs to be gone and so does Curtis and manning needs to take responsibility with seba and the downwards spiral.

MightyDM
08-11-2019, 09:46 AM
Alas, this is fair. *sigh*

I liked Endo's endeavour, as well, with his more direct approach.

There may have been a method to the madness that was this line-up selection, but it must be conceded that it didn't come off.

And that’s the problem lately. It’s like he is overthinking things. Just let the lads play.

firm
08-11-2019, 09:57 AM
I always see Bradley have an opening to shoot at goal then he passes the ball. I always thought he could shoot on net. Now I know he can’t he let me down ????

MightyDM
08-11-2019, 10:38 AM
Funny you say that about Osorio, as there was a defensive burst he made, at one point (forgive me for not remembering when; was late, here, and I was tired), where I made a double-take, shocked at the speed he managed.

You're right, though: it is a tough one; I think he's struggling for fitness, and, as a result, lacking confidence, in the absence of a respectable body of work, this season. I still think, if utilized properly, he can pull his weight (even on his salary)… but it's a difficult one, to be sure, and Vanney's not much time to figure it out.

It is very strange and worrying that all our attacking TAM players started on the bench—like, that's got to have prior been unprecedented in the league.

Something's definitely off, and I think, as much as we've been relatively underwhelmed by the signings, so has Vanney, even if he tries, at times, to make lemonade with what he's given (more often seems to be making a statement about the quality he's got at his disposal).



Spot on; this was the game—that shot was the moment, when I really had to scratch my head at where Bradley fits in, anymore, and if we couldn't do better with a TAM signing.

That said, and when I came down from the disappointment, it was clear to me Bradley's still got quality in him; there's something to be said for him not getting reps further up the field in recent years (read: he can't just turn it on, at will). I think, if, going into the off-season, we rework Bradley's roll into being more two-way, and, as you say, having Delgado or someone else we maybe sign, play a DM, we might be able to get more out of him, at this point. The only problem is that leave's Osorio as the odd man out (which I wouldn't be happy with).

The growing sentiment seems to be that one of Bradley and Osorio must go, as we're rather unbalanced; it will be harder to move the latter, and so we might just be seeing the end of an era, with Bradley likely playing out his last season with us. Something about the wording, over the broadcast, when they brought up his contractual situation, had a feel like that surrounding Kawhi—like he's already decided to go, but doesn't want to be a distraction (especially as club captain). I mean, if he were staying, you'd think they'd be happy to announce it, A.S.A.P. and switch focus from things off the pitch; there's obviously a chance he stays, but I don't feel it's the likeliest outcome.

Willian would be a dream.

Oso is my favorite player - I constantly think his contribution is underestimated. Last night he was really hustling as you note - I remember that burst, it was about 57 mins I think. He caught someone fast, quite a surprise. But he doesn’t really have a position at the moment given how Vanney wants to play and given Poz.

Oso was at his best making great passes with Seba, VV and Jozy. He fit in well, was confident, and learned to take his chances. Even so, his contract never made sense to me and I have been puzzling over it. The only thing that seems to make sense is that they signed him thinking he could be a full time starter and a part time back up for VV - he’s not VV, but with Seba he could be pretty effective in that role. I also think they expected VV to struggle for minutes (knee) and therefore would need a skilled back up.

Now the situation has changed. They were not expecting to lose Seba and haven’t replaced him. They did replace VV with Poz, obviously (who isn’t as good but is far more durable) and therefore the backup AM role for Oso has essentially disappeared.

This brings into question not Oso but Manning. The recruitment process has been chaotic and the logic of acquisitions strange. Why bring in a Poz if you have an Oso when what you need is a Seba and you don’t have an Oso level equivalent there - a big drop off between Seba and Hamilton or Boyd. Let alone the timing of the purchase of the wingers, and the failure to sign Seba on a timely basis. So Oso is now a bit surplus but we still have no striker to play with Jozy.

There doesn’t seem to be a coherent transfer strategy, let alone a development strategy. And that’s at the feet of the boss. A rough parallel would be Man U

MightyDM
08-11-2019, 10:43 AM
I always see Bradley have an opening to shoot at goal then he passes the ball. I always thought he could shoot on net. Now I know he can’t he let me down ????he scored two just three months ago. Nice ones, too. It’s like Oso used to be. When he has time to think he seems to shoot poorly

stegosaurus
08-11-2019, 10:43 AM
When I was watching the game, I was thinking how Delgado couldn’t score to save his life and that maybe they should push Bradley up the field and then he totally botches an attempt on goal at the end of the game lol. Delgado could probably be useful if he didn’t have to push up the field. Maybe he could be the DM, Osorio the CM and then Pozuelo the AM. I honestly think the biggest problem with the team is Bradley. I am not sure he would even be a good TAM signing at this point.

We need another DP who can put the ball in the net. Hell a guy like Nani would have been amazing for this team (winger, sell tickets to local Portuguese). I wonder if a guy like William would want to come to MLS next year.

Just what TFC needs: an old, past expiration Portuguese winger who is slow, has a bad attitude, would rather whine than play, and has as many goals as Tesho.

The team is built around him and Tesho has as many goals.

Mikmacdo
08-11-2019, 11:00 AM
Just what TFC needs: an old, past expiration Portuguese winger who is slow, has a bad attitude, would rather whine than play, and has as many goals as Tesho.

The team is built around him and Tesho has as many goals.

Nani has 8 goals and 4 ast. Its better than what tfc has on the wing. He impacts a game more than bradley. Hes just an example btw.

stegosaurus
08-11-2019, 11:05 AM
Oso is my favorite player - I constantly think his contribution is underestimated. Last night he was really hustling as you note - I remember that burst, it was about 57 mins I think. He caught someone fast, quite a surprise. But he doesn’t really have a position at the moment given how Vanney wants to play and given Poz.

Oso was at his best making great passes with Seba, VV and Jozy. He fit in well, was confident, and learned to take his chances. Even so, his contract never made sense to me and I have been puzzling over it. The only thing that seems to make sense is that they signed him thinking he could be a full time starter and a part time back up for VV - he’s not VV, but with Seba he could be pretty effective in that role. I also think they expected VV to struggle for minutes (knee) and therefore would need a skilled back up.

Now the situation has changed. They were not expecting to lose Seba and haven’t replaced him. They did replace VV with Poz, obviously (who isn’t as good but is far more durable) and therefore the backup AM role for Oso has essentially disappeared.

This brings into question not Oso but Manning. The recruitment process has been chaotic and the logic of acquisitions strange. Why bring in a Poz if you have an Oso when what you need is a Seba and you don’t have an Oso level equivalent there - a big drop off between Seba and Hamilton or Boyd. Let alone the timing of the purchase of the wingers, and the failure to sign Seba on a timely basis. So Oso is now a bit surplus but we still have no striker to play with Jozy.

There doesn’t seem to be a coherent transfer strategy, let alone a development strategy. And that’s at the feet of the boss. A rough parallel would be Man U

While VV is an excellent player, we lucked out in acquiring him. He also isn’t required to do anything Pozo does, and was not being used incorrectly.

Pozo is not being used properly. He has far too much responsibility and is forced to play far too defensively, etc. If you watch him at Genk it’s another story — but we haven’t had the setup or players to accomplish that this year. Individual quality made him look impressive in a way VV didn’t, but it can only take you so far.

If Osorio ever has a year like he did last year again I’ll eat a bowl of Skyline Chili.

stegosaurus
08-11-2019, 11:12 AM
Nani has 8 goals and 4 ast. Its better than what tfc has on the wing. He impacts a game more than bradley. Hes just an example btw.

TFC didn’t build their team around a DP winger, and if they did he’d hopefully have more than 8 goals.

Would you expect a DM to contribute 1/4 of the G/A of the star player you built your team around? Probably not, but then again Bradley has 1/4 the G/A of Nani, a DP attacker Orlando built their team around.

It may be an example, but fuck Nani. I’d rather have a 22-26 year old Venezuelan who doesn’t play.

Mikmacdo
08-11-2019, 11:19 AM
TFC didn’t build their team around a DP winger, and if they did he’d hopefully have more than 8 goals.

Would you expect a DM to contribute 1/4 of the G/A of the star player you built your team around? Probably not, but then again Bradley has 1/4 the G/A of Nani, a DP attacker Orlando built their team around.

It may be an example, but fuck Nani. I’d rather have a 22-26 year old Venezuelan who doesn’t play.

Would you rather have bradley or william next year?

stegosaurus
08-11-2019, 11:21 AM
Would you rather have bradley or william next year?

Who is William?

If you mean Will.i.am, I’d rather not have that guy on the team.

Edit: if you mean Willian, that isn’t going to happen. His salary demands would be huge, he isn’t going to come to Toronto, and...

That is the most ridiculous comparison I’ve ever heard. Why not Messi? Would you rather Messi or Willian come to TFC?

Honestly...

Edit2: are you seriously drawing an equivalence between Nani and Willian?

That’s even worse.

Mikmacdo
08-11-2019, 11:36 AM
Who is William?

If you mean Will.i.am, I’d rather not have that guy on the team.

Edit: if you mean Willian, that isn’t going to happen. His salary demands would be huge, he isn’t going to come to Toronto, and...

That is the most ridiculous comparison I’ve ever heard. Why not Messi? Would you rather Messi or Willian come to TFC?

Honestly...

Edit2: are you seriously drawing an equivalence between Nani and Willian?

That’s even worse.

It’s probably a stretch. Maybe they could sign a guy between Nani and Willian. Maybe a guy like Shaqiri?

stegosaurus
08-11-2019, 11:42 AM
It’s probably a stretch. Maybe they could sign a guy between Nani and Willian. Maybe a guy like Shaqiri?

I don’t know, isn’t Ronaldo available? He’s Portuguese and can play on the wing. Can we compare his potential MLS stats with Bradley’s contribution and decide whether we should sign him or not?

Spitballing players is fun, but eventually you have to deal with reality.

Mikmacdo
08-11-2019, 11:54 AM
I don’t know, isn’t Ronaldo available? He’s Portuguese and can play on the wing. Can we compare his potential MLS stats with Bradley’s contribution and decide whether we should sign him or not?

Spitballing players is fun, but eventually you have to deal with reality.Willian is 31 on the downside but still very good and makes 6.2 mill euros a year, not much more than Bradley. Hes kind of at that Rooney level when he came over to MLS. I dont see how its so crazy to think he could come to MLS when hes 32.

Fort York Redcoat
08-11-2019, 12:50 PM
Just what TFC needs: an old, past expiration Portuguese winger who is slow, has a bad attitude, would rather whine than play, and has as many goals as Tesho.

The team is built around him and Tesho has as many goals.

Ooooo

I haven't see Will.I.Am since Wolverine Origins but I'd love to see Tesho in Red.

stevep
08-11-2019, 04:27 PM
I just watched my first 45 min in a long while. TFC is a mediocre MLS team, plain and simple.

I'm going to tell you an interesting story.
I have been going to tfc games for 4 years now and win or lose in the go train tunnel everyone is chanting tfc tfc. Everybody loves this team, I couldn't explain the feeling to non soccer fans.
Well anyways last night a guy behind me does a chant tfc tfc and nobody says tfc tfc it's all quiet except for one guy.
He yells sucks.
In other words it went tfc tfc sucks.
The guy with the tfc chant immediately stopped and never said tfc tfc again.
So sad what has become of this once great team in just two years

noimpactinmtl
08-11-2019, 05:16 PM
It’s probably a stretch. Maybe they could sign a guy between Nani and Willian. Maybe a guy like Shaqiri?

Shaqiri seems perfectly happy collecting cheques and trophies with Liverpool as well as getting CL minutes.

Having a defensive shield to replace Bradley could free Pozuelo from having to drop deep to defend.

Oldtimer
08-11-2019, 06:09 PM
I'm going to tell you an interesting story.
I have been going to tfc games for 4 years now and win or lose in the go train tunnel everyone is chanting tfc tfc. Everybody loves this team, I couldn't explain the feeling to non soccer fans.
Well anyways last night a guy behind me does a chant tfc tfc and nobody says tfc tfc it's all quiet except for one guy.
He yells sucks.
In other words it went tfc tfc sucks.
The guy with the tfc chant immediately stopped and never said tfc tfc again.
So sad what has become of this once great team in just two years

Good thing you weren't here in 2010-2012. You would have seen much, much worse than one guy saying "TFC sucks." This is an article about a protest that we RPB organized in 2011. The team was sucking, meanwhile MLSE was rapidly jacking up prices for the Supporters.

https://thefanmagazine.wordpress.com/2010/11/22/toronto-soccer-fans/amp/

In 2012 with the failure of the Aron Winter experiment (during which the team started 0-9 on the season, which gave it the worst record in the world), the team had to slash season tickets to keep everyone from bailing.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/sports/soccer/toronto-fc-slashes-season-ticket-prices-after-disastrous-season/article4621019/

Even so many people bailed. We had a meltdown on this board. Many people quit to "never follow TFC again" (a lot of those came back in 2016). People wore paper bags over their heads to protest the terrible team and an ownership that was incompetent and didn't seem to care.

Then something almost miraculous happened. MLSE's new majority owners Bell & Rogers hired Tim Leiweke to run the company, and he made turning around TFC his top priority, (followed by the Raptors). He cleaned out most of the FO and appointed people who turned the team around, and convinced the board to spend big on 3 very expensive DPs. The rest is history. A lot of new fans came on board. The treble. Seeing Seba play. Those of us who stuck with the team were rewarded with the best season in MLS history, one which we will never forget.

stevep
08-11-2019, 06:24 PM
Good thing you weren't here in 2010-2012. You would have seen much, much worse than one guy saying "TFC sucks." This is an article about a protest that we RPB organized in 2011. The team was sucking, meanwhile MLSE was rapidly jacking up prices for the Supporters.

https://thefanmagazine.wordpress.com/2010/11/22/toronto-soccer-fans/amp/

In 2012 with the failure of the Aron Winter experiment (during which the team started 0-9 on the season, which gave it the worst record in the world), the team had to slash season tickets to keep everyone from bailing.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/sports/soccer/toronto-fc-slashes-season-ticket-prices-after-disastrous-season/article4621019/

Even so many people bailed. We had a meltdown on this board. Many people quit to "never follow TFC again" (a lot of those came back in 2016). People wore paper bags over their heads to protest the terrible team and an ownership that was incompetent and didn't seem to care.

Then something almost miraculous happened. MLSE's new majority owners Bell & Rogers hired Tim Leiweke to run the company, and he made turning around TFC his top priority, (followed by the Raptors). He cleaned out most of the FO and appointed people who turned the team around, and convinced the board to spend big on 3 very expensive DPs. The rest is history. A lot of new fans came on board. The treble. Seeing Seba play. Those of us who stuck with the team were rewarded with the best season in MLS history, one which we will never forget.


I was shocked last night. Never experienced that before.
Hoping it never gets like 2012 again.

Brooker
08-11-2019, 08:03 PM
I'm going to tell you an interesting story.
I have been going to tfc games for 4 years now and win or lose in the go train tunnel everyone is chanting tfc tfc. Everybody loves this team, I couldn't explain the feeling to non soccer fans.
Well anyways last night a guy behind me does a chant tfc tfc and nobody says tfc tfc it's all quiet except for one guy.
He yells sucks.
In other words it went tfc tfc sucks.
The guy with the tfc chant immediately stopped and never said tfc tfc again.
So sad what has become of this once great team in just two years

Hahah. It's been a lot worse. A couple wins can fix that. We're battling for a playoff spot. What happened long before was far worse.

Sound like Johnny-Come-Lately fans who expect 2016/17 days.


I was shocked last night. Never experienced that before.
Hoping it never gets like 2012 again.

It won't. And even if it did, tough it out. Just need to predrink more.

glaze
08-11-2019, 08:18 PM
I'm going to tell you an interesting story.
I have been going to tfc games for 4 years now and win or lose in the go train tunnel everyone is chanting tfc tfc. Everybody loves this team, I couldn't explain the feeling to non soccer fans.
Well anyways last night a guy behind me does a chant tfc tfc and nobody says tfc tfc it's all quiet except for one guy.
He yells sucks.
In other words it went tfc tfc sucks.
The guy with the tfc chant immediately stopped and never said tfc tfc again.
So sad what has become of this once great team in just two years

We went from Giovinco who had electrifying moments, to a team thats been boring to watch.

Ive had seasons for 6 years now, and yesterday the guys next to me said they werent renewing. My friends are similarly on the fence.

The energy isnt the same on or off the field.

stegosaurus
08-11-2019, 08:22 PM
Willian is 31 on the downside but still very good and makes 6.2 mill euros a year, not much more than Bradley. Hes kind of at that Rooney level when he came over to MLS. I dont see how its so crazy to think he could come to MLS when hes 32.

I didn’t say it was beyond the realm of reason, just that it wasn’t going to happen.

I’ve said that Bradley’s contract is excessive and that a DP DM is rarely going to be a constructive use of resources in MLS right now.

That said:

1. Why do you think Bradley makes a lot of money? Would he make that much playing in Europe last year?

2. Willian would be available on a free. Salary demands increase.

3. No one comes to MLS for less money.

4. Willian would be the most expensive player in MLS, probably, and these are not the signings TFC is looking for in the future, per the FO.

5. Willian could probably still play in Europe if he wanted to, but Brazilian NT members also carry clout in other leagues, which is why China offers them crazy salaries. If Brazilian mercenaries saw MLS as a league of choice, there’d be loads of them here. There aren’t.

In any case, I wouldn’t want Nani here. How an evaluation of Nani turned into wouldn’t you rather have Nani than Bradley and then into wouldn’t you rather have Willian than Bradley is confusing.

stevep
08-11-2019, 11:32 PM
And I would not even say Laura is a full time TFC beat type anymore, she is pretty much Jays all the time now. Beezer spends more time on it than she does.

who is a tfc reporter is kind of irrelevant. The point is Vanney had a 7 minute press conference after the game and in that 7 minutes some reporters whoever they were did not ask him why he did not start the two new tam guys.
you would think that would be the most obvious question to ask the guy.
heck that question was on this message board at the beginning of the game and it is all over twitter.

if you thought last year was a bizzaro season, this season is just as bizzaro

stegosaurus
08-11-2019, 11:51 PM
who is a tfc reporter is kind of irrelevant. The point is Vanney had a 7 minute press conference after the game and in that 7 minutes some reporters whoever they were did not ask him why he did not start the two new tam guys.
you would think that would be the most obvious question to ask the guy.
heck that question was on this message board at the beginning of the game and it is all over twitter.

if you thought last year was a bizzaro season, this season is just as bizzaro

Who is a TFC reporter is actually the only thing relevant to what you’re asking.

It’s been discussed numerous times on this board — the number of knowledgeable, independent reporters is dwindling down to basically nothing, and the reporters whose paycheques come from Bell and Rogers aren’t going to rock the boat and play hardball.

MightyDM
08-12-2019, 06:18 AM
By the way, referee needed to stop the game when Laryea was on the floor with a dislocated shoulder. And the physics should have just come on. That’s incredibly painful. Incredibly. He has guts. You could see that it was still out when he came to the sidelines.

red-o
08-12-2019, 09:58 AM
By the way, referee needed to stop the game when Laryea was on the floor with a dislocated shoulder. And the physics should have just come on. That’s incredibly painful. Incredibly. He has guts. You could see that it was still out when he came to the sidelines.
Was also mad that the Orlando players didn't put the ball out, and then we got possession and we didn't put it out... Brutal to watch this, but really starting to like the guy.

ManUtd4ever
08-12-2019, 12:20 PM
I thought we deserved better to be honest. Jozy and Poz both missed golden opportunities they normally convert.

TFC1154ever
08-12-2019, 01:33 PM
I just don’t think we have a player outside of Poz that can deliver that quality final pass in the opponents final 1/3 (maybe Osorio). Shaff has been found out, and heavily one footed. Endoh, Bradley, Delgado don’t have it either (on very rare occasion they have). Altidore does, but is playing as a lone striker. For me, the season hinges on if Gallardo or Benezet can be that threat, because are so heavy reliant on Pozuelo

Bushmancan
08-12-2019, 01:45 PM
I just don’t think we have a player outside of Poz that can deliver that quality final pass in the opponents final 1/3 (maybe Osorio). Shaff has been found out, and heavily one footed. Endoh, Bradley, Delgado don’t have it either (on very rare occasion they have). Altidore does, but is playing as a lone striker. For me, the season hinges on if Gallardo or Benezet can be that threat, because are so heavy reliant on Pozuelo

But we will only play them in the CCL, so we win a trophy and go to champions league. I have to admit, I have been pretty patient until now. Losing to Houston and drawing to Orlando is just amateur hour. Hate to say it Vanney and the players need to start playing scared.

ag futbol
08-12-2019, 02:08 PM
I just don’t think we have a player outside of Poz that can deliver that quality final pass in the opponents final 1/3 (maybe Osorio). Shaff has been found out, and heavily one footed. Endoh, Bradley, Delgado don’t have it either (on very rare occasion they have). Altidore does, but is playing as a lone striker. For me, the season hinges on if Gallardo or Benezet can be that threat, because are so heavy reliant on Pozuelo
Agreed re: Shaffelburg. Now that said, this kid is very young and if the coaching staff has their wits about them, should be able to find ways for him to improve his game.

I’m the meantime he’s still an ideal late game sub. That pace will be near impossible to neutralize with tired legs.

flambe
08-12-2019, 02:33 PM
Those of us who stuck with the team were rewarded with the best season in MLS history, one which we will never forget.

Made all the sweeter by the years of pain we endured since 2007.

MightyDM
08-12-2019, 02:42 PM
Shaff has not been “found out”. He is 19! He is still learning.

OgtheDim
08-12-2019, 03:16 PM
Shaff has not been “found out”. He is 19! He is still learning.

I've noticed something a little different about how teams have handled him the last 2 MLS games when Shaff makes a run, they put 1 guy on him and then stand 2 guys covering the near post cross - he doesn't get it past them. When Morrow is going down there or Laryea on the other side, they tend to put 1 covering the near post cross and have the other guy covering late runners.

ag futbol
08-12-2019, 03:40 PM
Shaff has not been “found out”. He is 19! He is still learning.
Agreed “found out” is a tad harsh. Now that said, we see guys hit the league all the time red-hot only for their performances to level off once other teams have enough tape on how they play.

I’m sure he can adapt but it’s obvious we shouldn’t straight away expect what we saw in his first few games. Expectations need to be tempered a tad.

MightyDM
08-12-2019, 09:17 PM
Agreed “found out” is a tad harsh. Now that said, we see guys hit the league all the time red-hot only for their performances to level off once other teams have enough tape on how they play.

I’m sure he can adapt but it’s obvious we shouldn’t straight away expect what we saw in his first few games. Expectations need to be tempered a tad.

That’s fair.

MightyDM
08-12-2019, 09:17 PM
I've noticed something a little different about how teams have handled him the last 2 MLS games when Shaff makes a run, they put 1 guy on him and then stand 2 guys covering the near post cross - he doesn't get it past them. When Morrow is going down there or Laryea on the other side, they tend to put 1 covering the near post cross and have the other guy covering late runners.

Interesting and makes sense. He needs to learn to be a more complete player

TFC1154ever
08-13-2019, 07:52 PM
I didn’t know where to put this, but whoever’s idea it was to put Legend TFC before the lineups this season before the game is a genius. Great song, fires up the crowd, and gets everyone loud before the match.

Red CB Toronto
08-13-2019, 08:17 PM
I didn’t know where to put this, but whoever’s idea it was to put Legend TFC before the lineups this season before the game is a genius. Great song, fires up the crowd, and gets everyone loud before the match.

Absolutely, brings me back to the old days, the first couple seasons. Such fun times before we woke from the dream.

OgtheDim
08-14-2019, 06:13 AM
I didn’t know where to put this, but whoever’s idea it was to put Legend TFC before the lineups this season before the game is a genius. Great song, fires up the crowd, and gets everyone loud before the match.

I can only sing that song ironically, with alcohol, and must always comment - "Its a shit song, but its ours" while laughing.

MightyDM
08-14-2019, 06:44 AM
I can only sing that song ironically, with alcohol, and must always comment - "Its a shit song, but its ours" while laughing.

I wish they would stop telling us what to do - sing along with the anthem, raise our scarf, I’ll say the first name and you say the last - we did all that, and more, ourselves. That’s what made it great. It’s not the ACC where they need instructions about when to cheer. It’s TFC

Joe Kool
08-14-2019, 08:56 AM
I wish they would stop telling us what to do - sing along with the anthem, raise our scarf, I’ll say the first name and you say the last - we did all that, and more, ourselves. That’s what made it great. It’s not the ACC where they need instructions about when to cheer. It’s TFC

This 100% pisses me off. We did all those things without prompting and now TFC are taking it on as if it was their idea and now that they announce all that it looks like the only reason we do it is because we are told to. Totally ruins the positive vibe for me and almost makes me want to stop doing it. Wish the front office would just piss off and let everything happen naturally. We are not sheep.

613reppingTFC
08-14-2019, 09:47 AM
I didn’t know where to put this, but whoever’s idea it was to put Legend TFC before the lineups this season before the game is a genius. Great song, fires up the crowd, and gets everyone loud before the match.

Yep I love this before the match, I'm out of town and you can barely hear it over the announcers when watching on tv and it still get's me all pumped up for the game! great tune!

On the other hand, the few games i've been at lately does seem a bit like we are sheep as Joe Kool said...telling us to raise flags, and say the last name bit...Not a fan of them announcing that kinda stuff, there are enough supporters in the stands that after one name is called out everyone else realizes what we're doing

TFC1154ever
08-14-2019, 10:34 AM
I wish they would stop telling us what to do - sing along with the anthem, raise our scarf, I’ll say the first name and you say the last - we did all that, and more, ourselves. That’s what made it great. It’s not the ACC where they need instructions about when to cheer. It’s TFC

While I agree about telling us to put our scarves in the air, and I’ll say the first name, you say the last, they have been doing both for a while. It’s not like it’s something new.

I’ll just point out the Bayern does something similar to this, plus after goals, the announcer starts a chant.

JT Red127
08-14-2019, 11:02 AM
If there was anything to "improve" upon atmosphere I'd say #1 above all is getting the south end united. Different chants being sung from one section to the next at the same time, Not sure how it can be done but it really would benefit the entire atmosphere at BMO.

stegosaurus
08-14-2019, 11:07 AM
While I agree about telling us to put our scarves in the air, and I’ll say the first name, you say the last, they have been doing both for a while. It’s not like it’s something new.

I’ll just point out the Bayern does something similar to this, plus after goals, the announcer starts a chant.

Yeah, a lot of European teams do stuff like this. I mean, it’s better than some people yelling “Defense” while everyone around them tells them to shut up because they can’t hear whoever they’re talking to on the phone or passing out “We don’t give a crud!” chant sheets.

Joe Kool
08-14-2019, 11:15 AM
If there was anything to "improve" upon atmosphere I'd say #1 above all is getting the south end united. Different chants being sung from one section to the next at the same time, Not sure how it can be done but it really would benefit the entire atmosphere at BMO.

I think this will take time but I will say that everyone involved in leading the chants in the south end this year across all sections are doing an excellent job really trying to coordinate things so kudos to every one of you. It is a really tough job since they are working with hand signals and other queues and are not all connected together with headsets or anything. I can imagine it is quite difficult to coordinate but I see the effort from the top of 114 and it is slowly getting there because at times the whole south end is doing the same thing for a period of time before sync is lost or whatever. It is amazing how fast the timing is lost though like a bad game of Row Row Row Your Boat sometimes....haha. I applaud everyone who is making the effort.

JT Red127
08-14-2019, 11:39 AM
I think this will take time but I will say that everyone involved in leading the chants in the south end this year across all sections are doing an excellent job really trying to coordinate things so kudos to every one of you. It is a really tough job since they are working with hand signals and other queues and are not all connected together with headsets or anything. I can imagine it is quite difficult to coordinate but I see the effort from the top of 114 and it is slowly getting there because at times the whole south end is doing the same thing for a period of time before sync is lost or whatever. It is amazing how fast the timing is lost though like a bad game of Row Row Row Your Boat sometimes....haha. I applaud everyone who is making the effort.

Totally agree, it definitely was not a shot at any of the capo's or anything. Just an observation, and thinking how amazing it would be if it was united. :scarf:

MightyDM
08-14-2019, 12:01 PM
While I agree about telling us to put our scarves in the air, and I’ll say the first name, you say the last, they have been doing both for a while. It’s not like it’s something new.

I’ll just point out the Bayern does something similar to this, plus after goals, the announcer starts a chant.

Yes. For a while. But they still need to stop it

MightyDM
08-14-2019, 12:01 PM
This 100% pisses me off. We did all those things without prompting and now TFC are taking it on as if it was their idea and now that they announce all that it looks like the only reason we do it is because we are told to. Totally ruins the positive vibe for me and almost makes me want to stop doing it. Wish the front office would just piss off and let everything happen naturally. We are not sheep.

Awesome. Totally agree

Ponderosa
08-14-2019, 12:44 PM
I wish they would stop telling us what to do - sing along with the anthem, raise our scarf, I’ll say the first name and you say the last - we did all that, and more, ourselves. That’s what made it great. It’s not the ACC where they need instructions about when to cheer. It’s TFC

Well at least they are not doing as the Impact does and puts up get load/cheer instructions on the jumbo screens. That was the most laughable thing I've ever seen!

Joe Kool
08-14-2019, 12:51 PM
Well at least they are not doing as the Impact does and puts up get load/cheer instructions on the jumbo screens. That was the most laughable thing I've ever seen!

Shhhhh....you are giving them ideas.

Fort York Redcoat
08-17-2019, 08:21 AM
I didn’t know where to put this, but whoever’s idea it was to put Legend TFC before the lineups this season before the game is a genius. Great song, fires up the crowd, and gets everyone loud before the match.

I LOVE THiS

People have gone on about wanting anthems and we were given one to our group and to hear it sung before the match is an honour.

Fort York Redcoat
08-17-2019, 09:10 AM
http://www.ontarioparks.com/parksblog/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Arrowhead_WhiteTrilliumsAtPeak-900x600.jpg


We thought they might go

We thought the chance for glory had passed

But now it's back

THE TRILLIUM CUP CONTINUES!!!

SACCERS greatest rivalry is back and tonight

WE BATTLE FOR THE FLOWER!!!

enjoy the match everyone

stegosaurus
08-17-2019, 09:19 AM
http://www.ontarioparks.com/parksblog/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Arrowhead_WhiteTrilliumsAtPeak-900x600.jpg


We thought they might go

We thought the chance for glory had passed

But now it's back

THE TRILLIUM CUP CONTINUES!!!

SACCERS greatest rivalry is back and tonight

WE BATTLE FOR THE FLOWER!!!

enjoy the match everyone



Finally, a meaningless made-up cup Atlanta can’t win! :)

Fort York Redcoat
08-24-2019, 11:13 AM
WE got the crucial away goal in this home and home matchup for this seasons instalment!