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stevep
08-04-2019, 02:40 PM
After much thought.
It pains me to say no

Oldtimer
08-04-2019, 03:32 PM
I've been a SSH since day one, no plans to cancel next year.

tfcfans
08-04-2019, 04:49 PM
Cutting back from 4 to 2 (I have had a pair for a long time and added the second pair in the last few years) — thought I’d get more use out of the four as a family but it simply didn’t happen, and we usually ended up using only 2 for most games.

Ossington Mental Youth
08-04-2019, 05:12 PM
yes, we arent newcastle or blackpool levels of dismal. Its annoying and frustrating but no chance in hell will i not renew.

OgtheDim
08-04-2019, 05:40 PM
Its not

TFC until they trade my favourite player

or

TFC until I get annoyed with the coach

or

TFC until they start losing

or

TFC until I have to leave because traffic is going to be a pain


I'll be there next season.

SPALE
08-04-2019, 06:06 PM
I’ve been here since day one and have no plans of leaving Through the thick and thin! I guess being a Leafs and Bills fan I’m used to disappointment year in and year out. But love this club too much to give up

stegosaurus
08-04-2019, 06:39 PM
yes, we arent newcastle or blackpool levels of dismal. Its annoying and frustrating but no chance in hell will i not renew.

I can’t wait for the documentary after TFC gets relegated to Peel Region house league under-16s like Sunderland. No need for tickets, just show up with a foldable chair and you’re all set!

Like most others who have been STH since day one, there’s very little motivating me to not renew. I have two, they’re cheap, and if I can’t make it to the game I have friends and family who can use them.

A string of poor performances after winning all we could win despite being a sitter away from A CCL win isn’t going to motivate me to get rid of them.

I have a pair of seasons for PSG that my dad bought before I was even born. I still try to attend a fair amount of games as I’m usually there once a month anyway. It’s worth keeping just for better access to CL tickets alone.

If the budget was tight or there was no enjoyment derived from them, that’s a different story. Personally, the only thing I struggle to do is rationalize buying food and drink at the game — if it’s for the kids I don’t mind though.

kodiakTFC
08-04-2019, 07:31 PM
I have 9 tickets in the south; some are mine and others are spoken for by friends and family. I can't confidently say that they'll all renew but I know as long as I'm here; I'll renew my tickets. I don't blame those who don't especially given the price ranges (I pay very little). The club, the people in my section, and the community surrounding the team mean a lot more to me than poor results one year, or two.. three.

I should also add that I've been through way worse with this club.

Red CB Toronto
08-04-2019, 07:55 PM
So simply put "YES", I am TFC/RPB Til I Die. Having had seasons since 2009 and survived all the ups and downs leading til the championship in 2017 the Reds will always have a special place in my heart. I was at the 0-5 loss in New York in 2009 with a playoff spot on the line and lived through the 2012-13 seasons when they had less points combined than the then record 69 in '17 so will definitely be sticking around. Plus its still a great value in my eyes.

SPALE
08-04-2019, 11:03 PM
So simply put "YES", I am TFC/RPB Til I Die. Having had seasons since 2009 and survived all the ups and downs leading til the championship in 2017 the Reds will always have a special place in my heart. I was at the 0-5 loss in New York in 2009 with a playoff spot on the line and lived through the 2012-13 seasons when they had less points combined than the then record 69 in '17 so will definitely be sticking around. Plus its still a great value in my eyes.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👊🏻👊🏻

DinamoTFC
08-05-2019, 11:16 AM
Will be renewing again. They still have ambition it just might not be executed perfectly at the moment.

But I will admit the increases every year are making it tougher to sustain and sell when I can't go. So there needs to be a freeze on prices soon or they may lose lots of renewals.

Fort York Redcoat
08-05-2019, 12:28 PM
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WestStandGeoff
08-05-2019, 05:07 PM
Seems premature to have this conversation... at least if you're basing your decision on results from this season. Lots of games left to play, and the East is competitive enough this season we're only a couple results away from 3rd or 4th in the table even though we're sitting outside of playoffs as I write this.

TFC07
08-05-2019, 08:09 PM
It's maybe for me. I feel like TFC/MLSE are happy being a mid table team now. I don't see any ambition from current management that wants go big and sign the best and win everything anymore. I don't get the vibe they want to be a "global" team like we heard from them few years back. Signs of Tim Leiweke being gone is finally kicking in for me when comes to TFC.

stegosaurus
08-06-2019, 12:07 AM
It's maybe for me. I feel like TFC/MLSE are happy being a mid table team now. I don't see any ambition from current management that wants go big and sign the best and win everything anymore. I don't get the vibe they want to be a "global" team like we heard from them few years back. Signs of Tim Leiweke being gone is finally kicking in for me when comes to TFC.

If you want to be a mid table team you don’t have 3/10 of the highest paid players in the league when no other team has more than 1, along with one of the highest overall salaries.

There are intrinsic issues with the team that have caused them to fail over and over again, but these are likely not due to a lack of ambition. If anything, the team has been overconfident, and Vanney’s playstyle is consistent with being overly ambitious if anything.

The cost-cutting rumours that came out with Curtis’ appointment along with other elements aren’t necessarily indicative of a lack of ambition rather than trying to figure out what actually works, given the salary figures and lack of results.

Despite the current dysfunction, I’m pretty sure most of the people complaining wouldn’t be happy having an actual ownership group that lacks ambition (like our Canadian friends the Whitecaps).

We’re not so far removed from being the worst team in the world.

stevep
08-06-2019, 01:06 AM
I looked over my 2019 invoice.
I pay slightly over $3000/yr for 2 season tickets.

So I reviewed the 2019 year at BMO

i paid $126 for the Panama game which I did not go to because it was -20C, threw out $126
NE, NYCFC and MN games were great games, great value for the money, like Seba days
here is where it gets real bad
Chicago game, Chicago parks the bus all game absolutely terrible entertainment, threw out $150 plus beer, food go train, close to $200
Philadelphia game, no Jozy, Philadelphia parked the bus, absolutely terrible entertainment, threw out $150 plus beer, food go train, close to $200
Portland game, same as above
Dc United game same as above
San Jose, KC, Atlanta games, no Jozy, no Bradley, no Osorio, no pozo for san jose game, enough said
NYRB game great game, all stars played great game worth the money
Houston, all star players did not start ultimate insult to the fans game, tickets $170 plus beer go train!! painful to think about this game
Cincinnati game sold tickets but watched on tv looked like a boring game
2 Canadian championship games I have to pay for wchich I do not want to go to, resale value should be very poor, will take a big loss on these games
plus 4 games left.

so i figure i went to 4 great games this year paid over $3000 for this
when I read this over its a no brainer

ps: everybody Giovinco aint comin back

Joe Kool
08-06-2019, 01:30 AM
Cutting back from 4 to 2 (I have had a pair for a long time and added the second pair in the last few years) — thought I’d get more use out of the four as a family but it simply didn’t happen, and we usually ended up using only 2 for most games.

I did the same for the same reasons and the same happened. Haha. I am not going to keep 4 tickets just so my whole family can attend a few good weather games. I can’t even seem to give away the other pair half the time. Really only me and my son at most games. Money is getting tight these days though. Actually considering very seriously giving up all 4 if my situation doesn’t start heading in the right direction. Tough call since I have been a season ticket holder since 2008. Having tickets is a luxury so might have to give that luxury up if it means getting food on the table. Will remain an avid fan and also a RPB no matter what though.

Ossington Mental Youth
08-06-2019, 02:19 AM
I looked over my 2019 invoice.
I pay slightly over $3000/yr for 2 season tickets.

So I reviewed the 2019 year at BMO

i paid $126 for the Panama game which I did not go to because it was -20C, threw out $126
NE, NYCFC and MN games were great games, great value for the money, like Seba days
here is where it gets real bad
Chicago game, Chicago parks the bus all game absolutely terrible entertainment, threw out $150 plus beer, food go train, close to $200
Philadelphia game, no Jozy, Philadelphia parked the bus, absolutely terrible entertainment, threw out $150 plus beer, food go train, close to $200
Portland game, same as above
Dc United game same as above
San Jose, KC, Atlanta games, no Jozy, no Bradley, no Osorio, no pozo for san jose game, enough said
NYRB game great game, all stars played great game worth the money
Houston, all star players did not start ultimate insult to the fans game, tickets $170 plus beer go train!! painful to think about this game
Cincinnati game sold tickets but watched on tv looked like a boring game
2 Canadian championship games I have to pay for wchich I do not want to go to, resale value should be very poor, will take a big loss on these games
plus 4 games left.

so i figure i went to 4 great games this year paid over $3000 for this
when I read this over its a no brainer

ps: everybody Giovinco aint comin back

Spending that much I don't blame you.
I don't think I even spend that much in a season.

tfcfans
08-06-2019, 05:20 AM
I did the same for the same reasons and the same happened. Haha. I am not going to keep 4 tickets just so my whole family can attend a few good weather games. I can’t even seem to give away the other pair half the time. Really only me and my son at most games. Money is getting tight these days though. Actually considering very seriously giving up all 4 if my situation doesn’t start heading in the right direction. Tough call since I have been a season ticket holder since 2008. Having tickets is a luxury so might have to give that luxury up if it means getting food on the table. Will remain an avid fan and also a RPB no matter what though.

That's funny as its usually my daughter and I going to most of the games, but the rest of what you said resonated with me too - she's the one who has gone to 90% of the games that I attend with me (sometimes in the rain and the cold etc.) since about 2010 or so (she was about 4 at the time) and has grown up with TFC in her life - my other daughter and my wife will end up going to 2 games this year (summer/nice weather games only - I laughed when you said that!), and frankly the highlight for them is going to eat at Joe's before the game - pretty much everything after that is a waste of my money for those two.....ha ha ha ha.....

I'll keep my two original tickets as long as I am financially able to do so too (next year should be fine unless they raise the prices some crazy amount), as the bond that the team has helped to create between my daughter and I as a result of our gameday ritual/experience over the years is worth a lot to me.....but as with all things there has to be a decent return on investment (and I don't just mean financial) in terms of our enjoyment of the product, how many games I will actually attend (this year I will probably get to about 50% of them which is a reasonable amount for me in terms of having a full season's worth of tickets) the entertainment value we get for what we pay (my seats are pretty cheap (under $30) so that helps tremendously as any loss or wasted games that I incur does not bother me "that" much --- I sold the Houston game early enough so that helped me feel a bit better too! - ha ha ha!), in the end we all have to make a decision which suits our own personal needs ---

I will not judge anyone here as more or less of a fan if they decide to give up tickets for whatever reasons (I have had on/off seasons for almost every team in this town except for the Leafs at some point in my life)......my family had Jays season tickets from 1989-1994 --- best decision we ever made was to give them up after that time - we saw everything you could see as fans in that 5 year period, the tickets were literally worthless for the next 20 years afterwards (everyone wanted to go in those years - couldn't give them away afterwards)....I still went to games (and was a fan) in a lot of lean years (had 15 game flex packs when there were like 20-22K in the building) but the need to have a full season of 81 (!!) games was not there.....FYI, I see the same thing happening after this season for the Raptors (for 2020-2021), lots of people won't renew if the team decides to tread water until 2021 or beyond and they keep raising prices, as this year has a post-championship glow to it, and people were also forced to renew for this season prior to Leonard's decision (and don't let the "waiting list of names" fool you, I'm on that one too and if most on that list were offered anything in the lower bowl (at those prices!) for the Raptors they would pass on the seats - Toronto is a rich city but the number of willing "individuals" (ie. not corporate) on that list spending $15,000+ for a pair of Raptors STs (Lower Bowl) is a rather small number - and if you have that much to spend, you probably have tickets already) --- most of the names on those lists only want very cheap seats (Purples/Greens) and are not rushing to invest at inflated prices for a team on a likely downward trend with little ROI for people trying to sell off at least half the games to afford the other half (every "individual" I know with Leafs/Raptors seats does this) - the prices are getting silly for the Raptors, the die-hards had their big pay-off last year (I cherry picked 5-6 regular season games to go to last year (usually bought off of STH, and saved my money for the playoffs), and there are too many meaningless regular season games in the middle of winter that you can't get rid of the tickets for especially if they cost the STH $100 a seat or more (there are about 25 games against non-marquee opponents most seasons in the NBA - who do most people want to see? the top 8-9 Western teams and likely 2 games each against Phil, Mil, Bost, and maybe Brooklyn which is about 15 games in total)....TFC has the benefit of "only" 17-20 home games and a good portion of which are in decent weather months and to some extent the "opponent" doesn't matter as much in MLS in most cases (as opposed to the NBA which is a "star driven" league ---- yes, a few players like Zlatan will move the needle for the casuals to get them to attend, but it's not like Rooney coming to town made an extra 5,000 people buy tickets this year or caused a huge price increase for that game)....it's much easier to invest in the limited amount of MLS games, at considerably lower prices than Raptors seats....but I digress.....

Back to this thread --- I would bet most of the people who will drop tickets in any given year are those paying the highest prices (Reds/Dark Greys), I doubt there is a ton of turnover in Yellows and Light Grays, especially those with legacy pricing.....if they decide to take away that benefit/price point and have my seats cost me double like my neighbors are paying in some cases, I too would rethink things (am I less of a fan if I don't think TFC games are worth $100+ a ticket?!).....maybe the question should be how many people who are not renewing are in the expensive price points, versus the cheaper ones is a better question (or how many who are renewing are in Yellows/Light grays and are paying legacy prices? - I know I am, and it's a big reason why I stayed through some pretty bad years) --- to be frank I was going to support Y9 this year and buy ST, until I saw the prices which were ludicrous in most cases, and judging from what I've seen I wasn't the only one turned off, and now (unfortunately too late in my opinion), the team is rolling back prices to a more reasonable amount.....Our buddy TL didn't just decide to roll back ticket prices a few years back because he wanted to be nice - he did it because he had to....it's not like the "good times" last forever -- the Jays in 1993, never imagined they would be playing in a half full dome a few years later....the 2015/16 Jays filled the building, by 2018 and 2019, Toronto is indifferent to the Jays; any team in this town - other than the Leafs - is prone to this phenomenon, 2-3 years of crappy results after a team has been successful, and you will see a marked downturn in attendance (or at least many, many empty seats).... it's year 2 of TFC after the glory years and if this team fails to achieve this year in the last 10 games, then by 2020 or 2021 there will be lots more empties on game-day --- it's been repeated over and over.....The Jays actually raised (!!) prices this year after a season like 2018 when everyone knew this was a tear-down year (sounds like the Raptors after this year with Lowry/Ibaka/Gasol coming off the books!) - is anyone shocked that they are losing more and more fans than ever before -- people will pay to watch winners in this city, and (save for the Leafs), will not pay to watch losers....or at the least pay very, very little (I think my TFC seats were about $12 after the roll-back).....

Oldtimer
08-06-2019, 06:14 AM
ps: everybody Giovinco aint comin back

I'm curious, are you someone who only started following the team in 2016? It's not wrong to have done so, but understandable why you would now ditch your tickets.

A lot of people here are more fans of soccer in general and want their own team to cheer for. Many of us indeed come from backgrounds where one cheered for their local team for generations even if they didn't win the league.

A lot of people over the years made a big deal on this board of ditching their tickets over the years. Many of them came back in 2016-2017 and paid scalpers ridiculous prices to get MLS Cup tickets, or didn't get in at all. Those of us who stuck with the team got rewarded by seeing our team win the treble at home. So we have a different perspective when a team is going through a tough spell.

So you have every right to decide if the tickets are worth your while, entertainment is a discretionary purchase, but understand that most people here are of a different mindset.

pfk
08-06-2019, 10:17 AM
Definitely renewing for next year. It's great to get out and cheer that lads on through the good and bad, and to be honest, it's not bad value for what you are paying for.

It's a real plus to be going to games during the evening at this time of the year (granted the Panama game wasn't fun at -16C).

Section_105
08-06-2019, 10:33 AM
After much thought.
It pains me to say no

Dude. you've gotten so negative on the board lately that I think for your sanity you need to cut it off and walk away. Unless of course you actually get energy from the negativity. Either way I hope you get what you need to be happy. I totally support you voting with your wallet as you see fit.

I will still be here because of this
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Its not

TFC until they trade my favourite player

or

TFC until I get annoyed with the coach

or

TFC until they start losing

or

TFC until I have to leave because traffic is going to be a pain


I'll be there next season.

This is my team. The players that put out their heart and soul and some that have their souls crushed. So many of them are/were fantastic humans that I've connected with.
The fans around me are my tribe that I shout and yell with to release energy and stress. To commiserate and celebrate with.

Will I be critical? absolutely. Will I quit? not a chance. and not just because they made some bone headed moves.

stevep
08-06-2019, 11:16 AM
I'm curious, are you someone who only started following the team in 2016? It's not wrong to have done so, but understandable why you would now ditch your tickets.

A lot of people here are more fans of soccer in general and want their own team to cheer for. Many of us indeed come from backgrounds where one cheered for their local team for generations even if they didn't win the league.

A lot of people over the years made a big deal on this board of ditching their tickets over the years. Many of them came back in 2016-2017 and paid scalpers ridiculous prices to get MLS Cup tickets, or didn't get in at all. Those of us who stuck with the team got rewarded by seeing our team win the treble at home. So we have a different perspective when a team is going through a tough spell.

So you have every right to decide if the tickets are worth your while, entertainment is a discretionary purchase, but understand that most people here are of a different mindset.

2014

i am used to 2015, 2016 and 2017. the beginning of the year started off great, you could not get any better entertainment than the ne, nycfc and mn games

then it just got real bad

tfcfans wrote in his terrific post:

I'll keep my two original tickets as long as I am financially able to do so too (next year should be fine unless they raise the prices some crazy amount), as the bond that the team has helped to create between my daughter and I as a result of our gameday ritual/experience over the years is worth a lot to me

this would be the main reason for me keeping my tickets as well. that is why this is a very tough decision.


oldtmer wrote:
A lot of people over the years made a big deal on this board of ditching their tickets over the years. Many of them came back in 2016-2017 and paid scalpers ridiculous prices to get MLS Cup tickets, or didn't get in at all. Those of us who stuck with the team got rewarded by seeing our team win the treble at home. So we have a different perspective when a team is going through a tough spell

that is my fear, give them up now won't be able to get back in later
i will closely follow the resale value of my tickets for the next 4 games. as of now Orlando game resale value is high
i have amazing seats

JoesphNdo
08-06-2019, 12:06 PM
This weird north American culture (correct me if I'm wrong, but definitely don't see this so much in Europe) of cancelling season tickets, and telling everyone you're doing it, as 'punishment' for the team not winning is bizarre to me as a European. If it's too much financially I absolutely get it, but beyond that, if the team is making an effort to win and not just milk the fans for money (and their spend is the only metric worth looking at here) then you can't ask for more. The team can't win every year, signings won't work out, coaches won't work out etc, but surely the main thing is just having a team to support. If you're going to cancel and ignore the team when they lose I don't see how you can get any enjoyment when they win

tfcfans
08-06-2019, 12:44 PM
I think some people are equating "quitting the team" or "stop supporting the team" as the only reason why some would drop ST. I would suggest in this economy (especially when many are working in jobs with little to no long-term security) there are a multitude of reasons why someone may drop ST and be no less of a fan - maybe finances or life situations (people get sick, have to take care of loved ones, get married, have a child, move away, etc.) are the real reason behind some dropping the seats and the frustration of venting about the team on here, is their means of dealing with what might be a difficult life situation elsewhere - ie. I'll vent about this stuff (including potentially dropping their ST) becuase this is ultimately just "entertainment" and not a "real life" thing (in fact its a distraction from real life in most cases) -- and this is a "bad thing" I can "punish" - while an illness or unemployment may be harder to "punish".....most of us are anonymous posters on this board - and we only see 1% or less of the person behind the posts in most cases ---- I have been fortunate to meet and get to know some of the people here as I have been a Year One member of RPB and there are lots of great people who have come and gone through the group and even through my section as a STH (I'm sure some are still big fans and others maybe not) - sometimes "stuff" happens in their lives that we aren't privy to, so I try to take all of the things I see on here (and the internet in general) with a HUGE grain of salt....

I laugh about this sometimes as a few years ago, the couple with the ST beside me who were regular attendees started to come less and less and I wondered if they had given up their seats as they seemed like "big fans" --- a few years later they reappeared with a baby in tow (and named him Gio!) and it all made sense -- I had no idea as to why they weren't coming to the games, I guess they were busy with more important stuff.....

flambe
08-06-2019, 01:00 PM
I've been a SSH since day one, no plans to cancel next year.

This. ^

:party:

Super
08-06-2019, 01:58 PM
Season ticket holder since day one. If I wanted to only watch a winning team I'd have left a long time ago. I'm in for the long run.

leafsman
08-06-2019, 02:03 PM
renewing, havent been able to make many games this season but able to sell those games so renewing for sure.

flatpicker
08-06-2019, 02:57 PM
I find there's still good business in scalping tickets. I've turned a tidy profit over the years. Of course I'm resigning.

Thanks TFC!

$$$

stevep
08-06-2019, 04:19 PM
I find there's still good business in scalping tickets. I've turned a tidy profit over the years. Of course I'm resigning.

Thanks TFC!

$$$

Haha. I've been studying this issue today.
Do you use Kijiji? Craigslist?
StubHub, ticketsnow takes too much money on both sides of the transaction.
Kills all profit

Joe Kool
08-06-2019, 05:42 PM
I think some people are equating "quitting the team" or "stop supporting the team" as the only reason why some would drop ST. I would suggest in this economy (especially when many are working in jobs with little to no long-term security) there are a multitude of reasons why someone may drop ST and be no less of a fan - maybe finances or life situations (people get sick, have to take care of loved ones, get married, have a child, move away, etc.) are the real reason behind some dropping the seats and the frustration of venting about the team on here, is their means of dealing with what might be a difficult life situation elsewhere - ie. I'll vent about this stuff (including potentially dropping their ST) becuase this is ultimately just "entertainment" and not a "real life" thing (in fact its a distraction from real life in most cases) -- and this is a "bad thing" I can "punish" - while an illness or unemployment may be harder to "punish".....most of us are anonymous posters on this board - and we only see 1% or less of the person behind the posts in most cases ---- I have been fortunate to meet and get to know some of the people here as I have been a Year One member of RPB and there are lots of great people who have come and gone through the group and even through my section as a STH (I'm sure some are still big fans and others maybe not) - sometimes "stuff" happens in their lives that we aren't privy to, so I try to take all of the things I see on here (and the internet in general) with a HUGE grain of salt....

I laugh about this sometimes as a few years ago, the couple with the ST beside me who were regular attendees started to come less and less and I wondered if they had given up their seats as they seemed like "big fans" --- a few years later they reappeared with a baby in tow (and named him Gio!) and it all made sense -- I had no idea as to why they weren't coming to the games, I guess they were busy with more important stuff.....

Yeah always good not to judge because you don't know anyone's circumstances.

I bought seasons in second season in 2008. It was great to have MLS soccer in Toronto. Did my roadtrips to watch them as well. Life was good. My wife then got sick with a permanent and terrible illness and had to go on disability. Losing all that income and gaining huge medical bills for the last 10 years does some damage and causes one to redo their mortgage a few times as the debt piles up. My trips to BMO Field on game day was my vacation away from it all for a few hours and therapy for me actually. My family wanted to attend more games with me as a family so we added the extra pair beside my original pair and it worked out for a couple seasons but now my wife is sicker and makes it to less games and my daughter stays with her at home especially for the colder games because my wife's illness can't handle it. Now that medical bills are getting even bigger in recent years and the kids are on the brink of being 18 so we will lose more income plus they need to go to university it will be a bigger hit to our finances soon enough and every penny counts to keep life afloat. I am not saying this to everyone as a "pity poor me" story or anything but I am saying this because nobody would know my situation but may be quick to judge if I said I was giving up my seats. In my conversations about it with some fans I know I have already heard about how cheap my tickets are compared to other season tickets for other sports and how crazy or stupid I am if I am ever giving them up. I have been asked why I am not a fan anymore. Giving up seasons is nothing to do with being a fan or not. One thing I learned from our tough life in the last decade is that you can't judge anyone based on outward appearance because you never know what is going on at home. I would be at the stadium if I could win or lose every day of the season if I could. I just might be forced out by life's circumstances even at the good prices I have. That is just life and it is not the same for everyone. Giving up my seasons would be a hard pill to swallow for my whole family because it will just be one more thing we have to lose due to my wife's illness and situation. I will see what happens when the pricing comes out.

jazzy
08-06-2019, 07:29 PM
No way but if they drastically raise prices , with the same disregard for game day experience , ( the stadium is basically bare bones ) , with boring EXPENSIVE food and DRINK ,and now the big worry , from ahole mgmt let’s all hug the Argos , this in the future could b troublesome . TFC seems to be less important than the ‘never pay’ but always get subsidized ARGOS . I go for soccer , but MLS is interested in the US only and the big cities ( to them ) . I’d love to have more Canadians in the mgmt that have a soccer (not American) heritage . BTW if Bradley stays and gets big bucks , that may tip the iceberg, we’d b signing our way into a lengthy mediocrity.....we need a knowledgeable aggressive mgmt .....NOT these mgmt muppets .

stegosaurus
08-06-2019, 08:52 PM
This weird north American culture (correct me if I'm wrong, but definitely don't see this so much in Europe) of cancelling season tickets, and telling everyone you're doing it, as 'punishment' for the team not winning is bizarre to me as a European. If it's too much financially I absolutely get it, but beyond that, if the team is making an effort to win and not just milk the fans for money (and their spend is the only metric worth looking at here) then you can't ask for more. The team can't win every year, signings won't work out, coaches won't work out etc, but surely the main thing is just having a team to support. If you're going to cancel and ignore the team when they lose I don't see how you can get any enjoyment when they win

Right. You’re more likely to see protests, in game banners, etc. than talk of not renewing tickets. Your football club could be a deeply-rooted part of your identity, it could be something cultural or political too.

“Hit them in their pocketbook to show them I’m angry even if the money I spend means nothing and I’m not actually hurting their bottom line” is pretty North American. It’s “I want to speak to the manager” culture. It’s slacktivism (which isn’t exclusive to NA either).

Like I said before, if it’s for value of money and your entertainment budget is too high or not worth it, that’s perfectly normal. If life circumstances prevent it, that’s cool too.

Complaining ad nauseum and acting like your defiant act of not renewing is going to hurt their bottom line, or, even more hilariously, their feelings, is a bit out there.

It’s the equivalent of being angry at Facebook, deleting your account, and using Messenger or Instagram while feeling righteous about your decision.

Or being angry at Nestle for being a hideously disgusting corporation and refusing to buy their bottled water while eating a Nestle chocolate bar.

Misguided pseudo-righteous anger is just silly. If everyone canceled their tickets because of the last two years MLSE would just stop flushing their money down the toilet. That’s how you end up with DP leftbacks, a 34-year-old Luke Moore as our starting striker, and a rotating roster of cheap domestics who can’t perform but are at least cheap.

MLSE doesn’t care about some random person posting angry messages on an Internet forum like it’s their job.

Write them a letter, or, you know, do something that will actually bring about the change you want.

flatpicker
08-06-2019, 09:19 PM
Haha. I've been studying this issue today.
Do you use Kijiji? Craigslist?
StubHub, ticketsnow takes too much money on both sides of the transaction.
Kills all profit

Usually I just dial random phone numbers until I find someone who wants to buy them.

nfitz
08-06-2019, 09:21 PM
That we seem to pay more weeknight and Sunday evenings than weekend games like we used to, certainly gives me pause. Not the results.

The Panama game was fine, if you dressed for it. I was warmer for that than our late-seasons MLS playoff games ... snowpants and long underwear. Didn't look very cool though ... :)

stegosaurus
08-06-2019, 10:08 PM
Usually I just dial random phone numbers until I find someone who wants to buy them.

Cryptic posters on streetlights and utility poles is my go-to.

Prof
08-06-2019, 11:01 PM
By far the best sports experience and most affordable in town. Season seat holder since year 2 and will always be.:drinking:

leedsandTFC
08-07-2019, 12:14 AM
if anyone has seasons in sections 112-114 and isnt renewing would happy to buy em off you :)

stevep
08-07-2019, 12:39 AM
Usually I just dial random phone numbers until I find someone who wants to buy them.

My tickets are worth a lot more than my cost for both Orlando and impact games.

What is this transfer to Ticketmaster option?
Does this cost me anything?

Looking good for renewal. Just gotta figure out the logistics of it all.
Just gotta cut out the middleman ticketsnow.

Blindside16
08-07-2019, 12:42 AM
This is my team through thick and thin and I am not going anywhere. I have seen much darker days from this team than what we are currently going through and did not turn my back on them and I see no reason to now.

stevep
08-07-2019, 12:53 AM
Right. You’re more likely to see protests, in game banners, etc. than talk of not renewing tickets. Your football club could be a deeply-rooted part of your identity, it could be something cultural or political too.

“Hit them in their pocketbook to show them I’m angry even if the money I spend means nothing and I’m not actually hurting their bottom line” is pretty North American. It’s “I want to speak to the manager” culture. It’s slacktivism (which isn’t exclusive to NA either).

Like I said before, if it’s for value of money and your entertainment budget is too high or not worth it, that’s perfectly normal. If life circumstances prevent it, that’s cool too.

Complaining ad nauseum and acting like your defiant act of not renewing is going to hurt their bottom line, or, even more hilariously, their feelings, is a bit out there.

It’s the equivalent of being angry at Facebook, deleting your account, and using Messenger or Instagram while feeling righteous about your decision.

Or being angry at Nestle for being a hideously disgusting corporation and refusing to buy their bottled water while eating a Nestle chocolate bar.

Misguided pseudo-righteous anger is just silly. If everyone canceled their tickets because of the last two years MLSE would just stop flushing their money down the toilet. That’s how you end up with DP leftbacks, a 34-year-old Luke Moore as our starting striker, and a rotating roster of cheap domestics who can’t perform but are at least cheap.

MLSE doesn’t care about some random person posting angry messages on an Internet forum like it’s their job.

Write them a letter, or, you know, do something that will actually bring about the change you want.

Like the 7th paragraph
Makes a lot of sense.

Oldtimer
08-07-2019, 06:18 AM
What is this transfer to Ticketmaster option?
Does this cost me anything?



Transfer to Ticketmaster is free, and you can cancel it at any time and if you do so your tickets come back into your account and can be used or transferred to anyone. HOWEVER, they charge a fee if they do sell through ticketmaster. They are upfront about any fees.

If you aren't scalping you can sell on the board here, fee free, in the ticket trader section. That way you can ensure that the tickets go to supporters. Obviously that's your choice.

stevep
08-07-2019, 11:22 AM
Transfer to Ticketmaster is free, and you can cancel it at any time and if you do so your tickets come back into your account and can be used or transferred to anyone. HOWEVER, they charge a fee if they do sell through ticketmaster. They are upfront about any fees.

If you aren't scalping you can sell on the board here, fee free, in the ticket trader section. That way you can ensure that the tickets go to supporters. Obviously that's your choice.


I remember a few years ago say 4 years ago, there was a ticket selling section on this board, I remember tickets sold fast.
Haven't seen that section on this board in a long time, didn't know it still existed. thank you for the information:smile5:

fyi: for two tickets
Orlando game my cost $196 going asking price $240
MTL game my cost $196 going asking price $300

would like to test this ticketmaster thing out but want to go to these games

Ben - D.O.W.
08-07-2019, 11:52 AM
I remember a few years ago say 4 years ago, there was a ticket selling section on this board, I remember tickets sold fast.
Haven't seen that section on this board in a long time, didn't know it still existed. thank you for the information:smile5:

Coming from out of town I use it for most midweek games and usually have pretty good success. I'm in section 111 though, so more like $50/pair than your prices. Pretty much the only stipulation is you post face value (not our cost) of the ticket and don't try and charge above it.

Oldtimer
08-07-2019, 11:56 AM
I remember a few years ago say 4 years ago, there was a ticket selling section on this board, I remember tickets sold fast.
Haven't seen that section on this board in a long time, didn't know it still existed. thank you for the information:smile5:

fyi: for two tickets
Orlando game my cost $196 going asking price $240
MTL game my cost $196 going asking price $300

would like to test this ticketmaster thing out but want to go to these games

It's here, rule is that you can sell above cost but not above Face value (the amount printed on your physical tickets): http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/forumdisplay.php?15-Ticket-Trader
(http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/forumdisplay.php?15-Ticket-Trader)

Laiping
08-07-2019, 12:59 PM
We have been SSH since day one and will always be SSH. I really enjoy it, even with its up and downs. It's so affordable. Why would we not be SSH.

SirBobSaget
08-07-2019, 01:16 PM
I remember a few years ago say 4 years ago, there was a ticket selling section on this board, I remember tickets sold fast.
Haven't seen that section on this board in a long time, didn't know it still existed. thank you for the information:smile5:

fyi: for two tickets
Orlando game my cost $196 going asking price $240
MTL game my cost $196 going asking price $300

would like to test this ticketmaster thing out but want to go to these games

Do those prices include the TM fees? On a 100$ ticket the fee is 20$. Also factor in that TM takes a 10% cut on the listing, so if you post your ticket for 100$ you only net 90$ and the buyer will see the cost at 120$.

I haven't been able to make it out to the games the past months so have sold a lot.
I tracked the outcome, 24 tickets sold at an average of 33$. My cost is 40$ so taking a loss on average. I also failed to sell a few so my losses are greater than that.

I don't think its possible to make a profit unless the team is red hot or the tickets are yellow or light greys.

stevep
08-07-2019, 02:32 PM
Do those prices include the TM fees? On a 100$ ticket the fee is 20$. Also factor in that TM takes a 10% cut on the listing, so if you post your ticket for 100$ you only net 90$ and the buyer will see the cost at 120$.

I haven't been able to make it out to the games the past months so have sold a lot.
I tracked the outcome, 24 tickets sold at an average of 33$. My cost is 40$ so taking a loss on average. I also failed to sell a few so my losses are greater than that.

I don't think its possible to make a profit unless the team is red hot or the tickets are yellow or light greys.

The numbers I posted were eliminating ticketsnow.
I have similar experiences to you, lost money after TM. Couldn't sell tickets to KC game.
Nobody wanted them.

It's a scenario where too expensive to buy tickets on TM but lose money if you sell in TM.
That's what makes this such a tough business decision.

Have you tried to cut out ticketsnow?
There are scalpers at the game and on Kijiji so it must be profitable or they would not do it

Agreed, with TM you cannot make a profit

69Chevy396
08-07-2019, 04:44 PM
I dropped my tickets in 2017. Last live game was on 9 Dec 2017. Still feeling the excitement of that night, and am so happy that I have not been to BMO since. MLS is not a very entertaining league unless your home team is a contender. For those of you comparing my experience with Europe, I should remind you that the presence of relegation and the opportunities to watch world class competition is a far cry from watching most of the shit teams in MLS

JoesphNdo
08-07-2019, 05:44 PM
I dropped my tickets in 2017. Last live game was on 9 Dec 2017. Still feeling the excitement of that night, and am so happy that I have not been to BMO since. MLS is not a very entertaining league unless your home team is a contender. For those of you comparing my experience with Europe, I should remind you that the presence of relegation and the opportunities to watch world class competition is a far cry from watching most of the shit teams in MLS

Most of Europe, including where I'm from, is far from world class competition and there is nothing entertaining about being in a relegation battle. You just don't see supporters spamming every thread with pride about how they cancelled their season tickets as punishment because their team isn't currently the best team. It's just a different culture and I always find it a culture shock when I see it

69Chevy396
08-07-2019, 05:58 PM
Most of Europe, including where I'm from, is far from world class competition and there is nothing entertaining about being in a relegation battle. You just don't see supporters spamming every thread with pride about how they cancelled their season tickets as punishment because their team isn't currently the best team. It's just a different culture and I always find it a culture shock when I see it
I appreciate your views. I have never been ultra serious about sports entertainment, always preferring playing a game, than watching others do it. when I was young, I was a very good cyclist, and in the absence of family responsibilities, I could have pursued it further. I would regularly ride hundreds of KM per week, Feb -Dec, until my balls almost fell off. I also played hockey as a kid and teenager, making it to what is now AA or AAA. Why am I telling you this? Because I never watch pro cycling, and haven’t been to a Leafs game since they beat the Bruins 7-0 about 10 years ago. Never played serious soccer, but always prefer watching it over any other sport. Pure athleticism. Simplicity of the game. The remarkable vision and creativity....that is how I embraced TFC....I was never interested in attaching my hip to the team emotionally, but it did occur in 2017. In short, I like soccer, played well, by good players. You may find that sentiment shared by many of the “casual” fans who no longer go to BMO....

sidvan
08-09-2019, 08:23 AM
Renewing but hoping for fewer night time "winter" games. Having more than half your home games before the end of June is pathetic.

MightyDM
08-09-2019, 08:49 AM
i am renewing. But the point made by sidvan is important - why night games in March and April? And for me it was easier to go to soccer with 3pm kick offs. I know its all for TV now, including VAr, but give something back to the supporters who actually attend.

pfk
08-09-2019, 10:09 AM
i am renewing. But the point made by sidvan is important - why night games in March and April? And for me it was easier to go to soccer with 3pm kick offs. I know its all for TV now, including VAr, but give something back to the supporters who actually attend.

I think you can blame TSN for the evening March/April games. It's much nicer to watch games with some sun. It may not be quite warm, but it beats dark cold early spring.

Having said that, I do enjoy evening games in the summer. Baking in 30+ degrees with little to no shade is not my idea of fun. :)

stevep
08-09-2019, 11:38 AM
Most of Europe, including where I'm from, is far from world class competition and there is nothing entertaining about being in a relegation battle. You just don't see supporters spamming every thread with pride about how they cancelled their season tickets as punishment because their team isn't currently the best team. It's just a different culture and I always find it a culture shock when I see it

No one is spamming the thread saying they are cancelling as punishment for they're team not being very good.
My point is this team is very good when the starters play and entertaining but the starters hardly ever play.
We are paying top dollar to watch usl players.
Have to decide if it is worth it.

Also paying for a game in -20c that I have no desire to go to or no desire to go to the Ottawa game but I have to pay for it.
Btw, both those two games the resale value is close to zero. So a lot of other people don't want to go either

What it comes down to is value for your money.
Another way of looking at it is if prices were double what they are today would you still pay it?
If prices were half of what they are today would you still pay it?

Looking at the Orlando and Montreal games good seats are very expensive and there are very few good seats available. Lotta crappy seats but very few really good seats.

stegosaurus
08-09-2019, 08:01 PM
No one is spamming the thread saying they are cancelling as punishment for they're team not being very good.
My point is this team is very good when the starters play and entertaining but the starters hardly ever play.
We are paying top dollar to watch usl players.
Have to decide if it is worth it.

Also paying for a game in -20c that I have no desire to go to or no desire to go to the Ottawa game but I have to pay for it.
Btw, both those two games the resale value is close to zero. So a lot of other people don't want to go either

What it comes down to is value for your money.
Another way of looking at it is if prices were double what they are today would you still pay it?
If prices were half of what they are today would you still pay it?

Looking at the Orlando and Montreal games good seats are very expensive and there are very few good seats available. Lotta crappy seats but very few really good seats.

The story has changed though.

This thread maybe existed in your consciousness during those cold games, but it appeared in the middle of a hot summer. Maybe it existed during the couple of games they threw to try to win CCL, but it wasn’t posted then. We rarely see USL players otherwise (unless you’re speaking figuratively).

Injuries are a fact of the game (and our situation has been awful), as is playing backups, as are national team call-ups, etc. The schedule isn’t decided by the teams in its entirety, and unfortunately the schedule requires terrible cold games (much as it does terrible hot, humid games in Texas or Florida) because of geography.

Ability to resell seats and the price you get for them really shouldn’t be included in the conversation, firstly because it’s not the reason you buy seasons in the first place unless you’re a subpar human being, and secondly because scalping tickets to TFC games isn’t a sound investment strategy. What you want is to bot concerts and festivals that are bound to be sold out, or get into sneaker resale or something.

Everyone here has said that if you don’t find it worth the money or can’t afford it, then by all means give them up.

Complaining about things the team can’t change, or that you can’t scalp your tickets to a sub-zero game or that you don’t want to pay for a game against Ottawa — I’m thinking maybe you aren’t a person who should buy season tickets. The things you’re complaining about are reasons to NOT get seasons in the first place.

If performance is your singular indicator for whether to buy tickets or not, most of us were here when the team was 1,000 times worse and without much hope.

We complain because we are TFC fans and supporters. If we supported this team when they were objectively shit, why would we stop now?

You can be a supporter who only supports the team when they’re good, or when the weather is nice, or whatever. That’s your prerogative.

But, as Marie Kondo says, you have to decide whether your season tickets “spark joy” or not.

stevep
08-10-2019, 09:54 PM
I spent $250 tonight for this shitshow. really boring game

#vanneyout

flambe
08-10-2019, 10:54 PM
I spent $250 tonight for this shitshow. really boring game

#vanneyout

Maybe get cheaper seasons then?

stevep
08-10-2019, 11:06 PM
Maybe get cheaper seasons then?


I can't, they are really good seats right in the middle of the field the perfect height up from the field on the east side,
at a lower price point than the lower seats, they are a couple rows up from row 18 where price goes up a lot
that $250 included beer, popcorn and parking.
If i give them up I fear I will never get them back again, but on the other hand I feel like an idiot for spending my money on this.
It is a tough life

Fort York Redcoat
08-11-2019, 01:08 PM
This weird north American culture (correct me if I'm wrong, but definitely don't see this so much in Europe) of cancelling season tickets, and telling everyone you're doing it, as 'punishment' for the team not winning is bizarre to me as a European. If it's too much financially I absolutely get it, but beyond that, if the team is making an effort to win and not just milk the fans for money (and their spend is the only metric worth looking at here) then you can't ask for more. The team can't win every year, signings won't work out, coaches won't work out etc, but surely the main thing is just having a team to support. If you're going to cancel and ignore the team when they lose I don't see how you can get any enjoyment when they win

Nailed it

Fort York Redcoat
08-11-2019, 01:16 PM
The story has changed though.

This thread maybe existed in your consciousness during those cold games, but it appeared in the middle of a hot summer. Maybe it existed during the couple of games they threw to try to win CCL, but it wasn’t posted then. We rarely see USL players otherwise (unless you’re speaking figuratively).

Injuries are a fact of the game (and our situation has been awful), as is playing backups, as are national team call-ups, etc. The schedule isn’t decided by the teams in its entirety, and unfortunately the schedule requires terrible cold games (much as it does terrible hot, humid games in Texas or Florida) because of geography.

Ability to resell seats and the price you get for them really shouldn’t be included in the conversation, firstly because it’s not the reason you buy seasons in the first place unless you’re a subpar human being, and secondly because scalping tickets to TFC games isn’t a sound investment strategy. What you want is to bot concerts and festivals that are bound to be sold out, or get into sneaker resale or something.

Everyone here has said that if you don’t find it worth the money or can’t afford it, then by all means give them up.

Complaining about things the team can’t change, or that you can’t scalp your tickets to a sub-zero game or that you don’t want to pay for a game against Ottawa — I’m thinking maybe you aren’t a person who should buy season tickets. The things you’re complaining about are reasons to NOT get seasons in the first place.

If performance is your singular indicator for whether to buy tickets or not, most of us were here when the team was 1,000 times worse and without much hope.

We complain because we are TFC fans and supporters. If we supported this team when they were objectively shit, why would we stop now?

You can be a supporter who only supports the team when they’re good, or when the weather is nice, or whatever. That’s your prerogative.

But, as Marie Kondo says, you have to decide whether your season tickets “spark joy” or not.

OMG

Seriously. Thank you.

Know that your post has sparked joy.

glaze
08-11-2019, 08:34 PM
Ive heard a lot of talk of not renewing in my area of the stadium.
I think a big part is just people getting older, families, etc.
The supporters section experience is much tamer that it was 7 years ago when my group started.

Brooker
08-11-2019, 10:08 PM
Is it already that time? The should I renew thread? I can't wait to see the conclusion!

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DFloorDanny
08-12-2019, 09:32 AM
After reading the comments (and knowing there is really no such thing as a season ticket price protest in North America), I usually evaluate my decision every year on several questions over a number of factors:

Ability to attend games
- How many games can I personally attend?
- Since I have more than one seat, will I be able to sell the other seat to someone? Or recover price paid on games that can't be attended?

Price/Affordability
- How much are my seats going to cost next year
- what is the growth rate of that price, year over year and since my inception?
- has team performance (see below) justified price increase?

Team performance (This is a fair argument to management, since protests don't happen)
- Is management doing what they promised?
- Is the coach getting the most out of his selections and tactics based on what he's been given?
- Are the players performing up to their abilities, within reason?


Letting go of your SSH doesn't mean you are no longer a supporter. There is no rule saying that you have to be an SSH to be a supporter. There are many reasons why you can let go of seats. If team performance isn't something that you consider in your evaluation, great, that's fine. For some, asking yourself whether you're getting what you're paying for is a personal rule that you apply into many money decisions in life. It also could be an indication that you give a shit about the success of this team and you don't want to reward mediocrity. If this is no different, great, also fine.

Me? I am going to be decreasing my ticket count regardless because much has changed in the first two. The third matters to me too though, so we'll see.

stegosaurus
08-12-2019, 10:16 AM
After reading the comments (and knowing there is really no such thing as a season ticket price protest in North America), I usually evaluate my decision every year on several questions over a number of factors:

Ability to attend games
- How many games can I personally attend?
- Since I have more than one seat, will I be able to sell the other seat to someone? Or recover price paid on games that can't be attended?

Price/Affordability
- How much are my seats going to cost next year
- what is the growth rate of that price, year over year and since my inception?
- has team performance (see below) justified price increase?

Team performance (This is a fair argument to management, since protests don't happen)
- Is management doing what they promised?
- Is the coach getting the most out of his selections and tactics based on what he's been given?
- Are the players performing up to their abilities, within reason?


Letting go of your SSH doesn't mean you are no longer a supporter. There is no rule saying that you have to be an SSH to be a supporter. There are many reasons why you can let go of seats. If team performance isn't something that you consider in your evaluation, great, that's fine. For some, asking yourself whether you're getting what you're paying for is a personal rule that you apply into many money decisions in life. It also could be an indication that you give a shit about the success of this team and you don't want to reward mediocrity. If this is no different, great, also fine.

Me? I am going to be decreasing my ticket count regardless because much has changed in the first two. The third matters to me too though, so we'll see.

No one was saying you can’t be a supporter without seasons. If you pull a Seba and end up in Saudi Arabia no one is going to fault you for not renewing, obviously. No one really cares whether you renew or not — that’s the point.

No one was saying that you don’t need to evaluate what you’re paying for. If it’s not worth it, it isn’t.

That said, numerous factors you list are reasons to not buy season seats in the first place:

- If reselling is a concern, why would you buy seasons in the first place? With the exception of playoff games or cup games there’s probably no shortage of tickets being resold at reasonable prices. You’d save time, money, and frustration.

- If you only want to watch a sport where your team wins every game and performs to the expected (winning) level the Harlem Globetrotters already exist, though I’m not sure if you can buy season seats to Harlem Globetrotters games. Again, you’d be saving yourself time, money, and frustration by not watching a sport where your team has a chance of winning or not performing to your expectations. What is the CAD$ value of a win? A loss? If we lose 0-1 to a bad referee decision is it the same as losing 9-10 to the same bad referee decision?

Do we really need to teach adults that it’s the enjoyment of the game — the fun — that counts?

You gambled and lost.

Some of us didn’t even gamble — we know we’d lose and still renewed, because we want to watch live soccer in Toronto. For us, the entrance fee was worth it just to watch the sport we love. We did that for like a decade.

It’s like playing the lottery. You can sit at home and never waste your money knowing that the chances of winning are slim to none. Some people buy a ticket every week (SSHs). Some people buy a bunch of tickets every week. Some people pool with their coworkers. Some people never win.

But when you win it feels good. That’s why you go in the first place. Even if that’s the only MLS Cup TFC wins, even if it’s the only Raptors chip, even if it’s the only Stanley Cup, World Cup, whatever cup, it’s worth it.

If watching people play football in front of you isn’t entertaining win lose or draw, then maybe you shouldn’t be buying a yearly subscription of tickets to an event where the possible outcomes are win lose or draw.

DFloorDanny
08-12-2019, 10:34 AM
No one was saying you can’t be a supporter without seasons. If you pull a Seba and end up in Saudi Arabia no one is going to fault you for not renewing, obviously. No one really cares whether you renew or not — that’s the point.

No one was saying that you don’t need to evaluate what you’re paying for. If it’s not worth it, it isn’t.

That said, numerous factors you list are reasons to not buy season seats in the first place:

- If reselling is a concern, why would you buy seasons in the first place? With the exception of playoff games or cup games there’s probably no shortage of tickets being resold at reasonable prices. You’d save time, money, and frustration.

- If you only want to watch a sport where your team wins every game and performs to the expected (winning) level the Harlem Globetrotters already exist, though I’m not sure if you can buy season seats to Harlem Globetrotters games. Again, you’d be saving yourself time, money, and frustration by not watching a sport where your team has a chance of winning or not performing to your expectations. What is the CAD$ value of a win? A loss? If we lose 0-1 to a bad referee decision is it the same as losing 9-10 to the same bad referee decision?

Do we really need to teach adults that it’s the enjoyment of the game — the fun — that counts?

You gambled and lost.

Some of us didn’t even gamble — we know we’d lose and still renewed, because we want to watch live soccer in Toronto. For us, the entrance fee was worth it just to watch the sport we love. We did that for like a decade.

It’s like playing the lottery. You can sit at home and never waste your money knowing that the chances of winning are slim to none. Some people buy a ticket every week (SSHs). Some people buy a bunch of tickets every week. Some people pool with their coworkers. Some people never win.

But when you win it feels good. That’s why you go in the first place. Even if that’s the only MLS Cup TFC wins, even if it’s the only Raptors chip, even if it’s the only Stanley Cup, World Cup, whatever cup, it’s worth it.

If watching people play football in front of you isn’t entertaining win lose or draw, then maybe you shouldn’t be buying a yearly subscription of tickets to an event where the possible outcomes are win lose or draw.

I already pointed out the "I'm entertained no matter what" bias and said that I was fine with someone who thinks that way. But it's not up to someone who thinks that way to tell someone else who doesn't think that way that they shouldn't be a part of the club because they don't think the same way. We already have enough of that going around in the world. You don't need to teach anyone anything, you should just do you.

Other than that, you basically started answering questions that one should ask themselves, as I've pointed out, when considering renewing.

stegosaurus
08-12-2019, 11:09 AM
I already pointed out the "I'm entertained no matter what" bias and said that I was fine with someone who thinks that way. But it's not up to someone who thinks that way to tell someone else who doesn't think that way that they shouldn't be a part of the club because they don't think the same way. We already have enough of that going around in the world. You don't need to teach anyone anything, you should just do you.

Other than that, you basically started answering questions that one should ask themselves, as I've pointed out, when considering renewing.

Do you enjoy it? Yes — buy tickets.
Do you enjoy it? No — don’t buy tickets.

If you can’t live with “no” then buying season tickets seems like something you should have already evaluated before buying season tickets.

If buying tickets is predicated by having a good team, which the people largely saying they don’t want to renew here seem to be, then maybe sports where the outcome isn’t predetermined are not the best value for money.

I’m certainly not telling you to do anything, and I don’t care either way. I don’t even care if you support the team or not. I literally could not care less if you renew your tickets or not.

I’m not trying to teach anyone. I’m saying that the reasons presented by people loudly proclaiming they won’t renew are reasons to not buy season tickets in the first place, all of which have to do with performance.

It does a lot to explain why so many Canadians have somehow developed a recent allegiance to either the Patriots (despite incorrectly thinking New England is an American state) or whatever team is playing them.

Then again, I don’t know anything about American football other than that Bo Jackson is literally superhuman and Tecmo Super Bowl is one of my favourite sports video games.

DFloorDanny
08-12-2019, 11:35 AM
Do you enjoy it? Yes — buy tickets.
Do you enjoy it? No — don’t buy tickets.

I don't agree that this is what the decision boils down to. But it's all good.



Then again, I don’t know anything about American football other than that Bo Jackson is literally superhuman and Tecmo Super Bowl is one of my favourite sports video games.

Along with Blades of Steel and Mario Kart (I will fight on this being a sports game)

stegosaurus
08-12-2019, 11:51 AM
I don't agree that this is what the decision boils down to. But it's all good.



Along with Blades of Steel and Mario Kart (I will fight on this being a sports game)

Mario Kart isn’t a sports game though it’s a good game. Blades of Steel is great but it’s the equivalent of knowing the spawn points in Goldeneye with the penalty glitch — though instant tackles in TSB are about the same, I guess.

The point is that if your decision hinges (even partially) on resale or team performance then buying seasons is not a wise financial decision in the first place. It’s like playing the lottery or complaining no one wants to AirBNB because you ended up buying in a neighbourhood that turned to shit or SARS happened or something.

If you want to resale value or permanent value despite performance you buy Leafs tickets — not TFC tickets.

stevep
08-12-2019, 11:59 AM
OMG

Seriously. Thank you.

Know that your post has sparked joy.

What you self righteous superfans are not mentioning is this.
We have to make a decision to get season seats in October,. We based ourbl decision to renew partly based on the players on the team ie Sebastian giovinco.
Then a few weeks before the season starts he's gone.
And to say it has been a shit show this year is an understatement.
So excuse us regular fans if we are simply curious of other regular fans are renewing.
I get it you superfans that are paying what a whole $30/ticket are renewing. Big spenders

stevep
08-12-2019, 12:04 PM
Forgot to mention I was expecting vv and gvw on the the team also.

Justin10000
08-12-2019, 12:10 PM
Of course. TFC 'til I die

Oldtimer
08-12-2019, 12:16 PM
What you self righteous superfans are not mentioning is this.
We have to make a decision to get season seats in October,. We based ourbl decision to renew partly based on the players on the team ie Sebastian giovinco.
Then a few weeks before the season starts he's gone.
And to say it has been a shit show this year is an understatement.
So excuse us regular fans if we are simply curious of other regular fans are renewing.
I get it you superfans that are paying what a whole $30/ticket are renewing. Big spenders

This is a supporters board. Most people here aren't "regular fans," we are completely irrationally devoted to our local club... and we're proud of it! It's not self-righteous, it's just a reflection of who we are as soccer supporters. I know baseball superfans who are just as devoted to their sport and though I don't relate I don't fault them for it! If you want to interact with a more general group, try the reddit group or join the discussions on Twitter. But don't criticize us for being who we are or that we won't see things the way a typical fan would... because we aren't "regular" fans.

stevep
08-12-2019, 12:24 PM
This is a supporters board. Most people here aren't "regular fans," we are completely irrationally devoted to our local club... and we're proud of it! It's not self-righteous, it's just a reflection of who we are as soccer supporters. I know baseball superfans who are just as devoted to their sport and though I don't relate I don't fault them for it! If you want to interact with a more general group, try the reddit group or join the discussions on Twitter. But don't criticize us for being who we are or that we won't see things the way a typical fan would... because we aren't "regular" fans.
Yeah I know it's a supporters board.
I forget that sometimes.

Oldtimer
08-12-2019, 12:31 PM
Forgot to mention I was expecting vv and gvw on the the team also.

So here's my suggestion:

(1) For your own sense of well-being stop following this team. They aren't the 2016-2017 team and are bound to disappoint you.
(2) Cancel your season tickets by phoning your ticket rep. Tell them how angry you are that Giovinco is gone and won't be replaced. Tell the rep to pass the message on to his higher ups.
(3) Tweet the TFC account (and post of the Facebook account if you are on Facebook) telling TFC and the world that you are canceling your tickets and why.

You are likely to get lots of people agreeing with you, which will make you feel like you're not alone, which you won't be. You'll also have the satisfaction of telling MLSE off. If enough people do that they could even act. Money talks.

stevep
08-12-2019, 12:53 PM
If enough fans like me pack it in
The lineup in the first half of the Houston game will be the lineups for the full game every game.
Tfc will have no money to pay good players
You will go back to the 2012 days

TheGoodson
08-12-2019, 01:21 PM
If enough fans like me pack it in
The lineup in the first half of the Houston game will be the lineups for the full game every game.
Tfc will have no money to pay good players
You will go back to the 2012 days

MLSE has always spent money on TFC whether it was spent wisely is a completely different argument. Also if you really think MLSE isn’t going to spend money you haven’t been paying attention to how they operate across all of their teams.

heres the thing most of us were here when we were shit and enjoyed the run we had and will probably be here when we win again . But in sports no team can contend year after year in a capped league. So if you decide not to renew go for it. But for you to keep on about how much you spend that’s your decision and as oldtimer stated this is probably not the forum for you to get much sympathy

JayMolly
08-12-2019, 03:00 PM
[QUOTE=Joe Kool;1905429]Yeah always good not to judge because you don't know anyone's circumstances.

Thank you Joe Kool for your detailed comments.
We have been in a similar situation and although I have been to one or two matches, we cannot "plan" on our SSH tix anymore.
Things are planned day-by-day now. We still watch most of our matches on tv.
We miss watching our boys play in live action but don't miss the lineups for the washrooms or the high concession stand prices.
J&M

Joe Kool
08-12-2019, 03:59 PM
[QUOTE=Joe Kool;1905429]Yeah always good not to judge because you don't know anyone's circumstances.

Thank you Joe Kool for your detailed comments.
We have been in a similar situation and although I have been to one or two matches, we cannot "plan" on our SSH tix anymore.
Things are planned day-by-day now. We still watch most of our matches on tv.
We miss watching our boys play in live action but don't miss the lineups for the washrooms or the high concession stand prices.
J&M

LOL about the washroom line and concessions. Hope things get better for you and your family.

glaze
08-12-2019, 05:57 PM
Anyone else see that post about early deposits?
False advertising, only applies to new memberships.
My phone didnt zoom well, but what are the blue sections behind the south end?
Always irritates me that tfc doesn't offer much added value for returning ssh.
We get a coupon book and a scarf.
Earlier this season they asked for our bdays, our jersey size etc. Anyone get a free jersey?
Im interested to see if Raptors ssh get a replica ring like raptors 905, marlies and argos got. We just got the option to buy one.
I'm renewing for sure. But aside from when they went to year 1 pricing, ive never felt valued as an ssh.

stegosaurus
08-12-2019, 07:53 PM
Anyone else see that post about early deposits?
False advertising, only applies to new memberships.
My phone didnt zoom well, but what are the blue sections behind the south end?
Always irritates me that tfc doesn't offer much added value for returning ssh.
We get a coupon book and a scarf.
Earlier this season they asked for our bdays, our jersey size etc. Anyone get a free jersey?
Im interested to see if Raptors ssh get a replica ring like raptors 905, marlies and argos got. We just got the option to buy one.
I'm renewing for sure. But aside from when they went to year 1 pricing, ive never felt valued as an ssh.

I pay a lot more for Raps seasons than I do for TFC seasons, but really most of the value to me is in having discounted tickets.

I like getting a scarf that I can’t buy somewhere else.

Would I like a free kit every year? Yes, but I don’t think most MLS teams get that. Some get even less than we do.

I’ve gotta say that the people complaining probably only complain loudly on the board instead of complaining in person, because every single time I’ve ever complained about something MLSE has tried their best to make it right.

I’m not saying you should complain to get free stuff — that’s not why I do it. That said, they’ve always addressed my concerns and given me a lot of stuff I didn’t even want in addition to fixing the issues I’ve had.

Be polite but firm and don’t act like the lunatics you do online and you’re likely to get a much better response than complaining on a board full of people who couldn’t care less if you renewed or not.

I’m not your ticket rep, I’m not MLSE, and quite frankly I hate Bell and Rogers too. I’ve actually thought of cancelling my tickets many times just because of Bell and Rogers. But don’t sit around and take it like the majority of Canadians do, because that’s how companies exploit you.

I don’t go to a certain steak chain because they somehow always manage to mess up my order or include “value added products” that aren’t exactly edible. If I shut up and shoveled my overcooked steak and salad with fly-shaped protein bites into my pie hole while seething and going home to write a review on Yelp I’d never be satisfied, but that’s the Canadian way. If I complain to management they try to help and if I complain to corporate they send me a bunch of free meals that I’ll never consume — I just wanted them to know so that they can fix it. If I had this problem, others do too, but they’ve probably never fixed it because no one complained before me.

glaze
08-12-2019, 09:54 PM
MLSE has my money. Im firmly in the i cant sit out a year to protest, because I'll never get my seats back.

As supporters it would be interesting to see what other clubs to for their groups.

stegosaurus
08-12-2019, 10:31 PM
MLSE has my money. Im firmly in the i cant sit out a year to protest, because I'll never get my seats back.

As supporters it would be interesting to see what other clubs to for their groups.

Yeah, wasn’t talking to you specifically!

There’s usually a thread on Reddit every year where SSH from different teams talk about what they got. Some teams give better swag, some basically get nothing at all.

magmadragon
08-14-2019, 03:03 PM
MLSE has my money. Im firmly in the i cant sit out a year to protest, because I'll never get my seats back.

As supporters it would be interesting to see what other clubs to for their groups.

Red Bulls usually have by far the best package. They've gotten lots of clothing and swag each year. But then there are others like Vancouver who don't give you squat. We are pretty middle of the pack in this regard.

Oldtimer
08-14-2019, 03:23 PM
Red Bulls usually have by far the best package. They've gotten lots of clothing and swag each year. But then there are others like Vancouver who don't give you squat. We are pretty middle of the pack in this regard.

What kind of swag does Forge give you?

magmadragon
08-14-2019, 03:33 PM
What kind of swag does Forge give you?

We all got jerseys this year. Originally it was supposed to be scarves like how we do it here, but they changed their minds a couple months before the season started.

Ossington Mental Youth
08-14-2019, 03:38 PM
We all got jerseys this year. Originally it was supposed to be scarves like how we do it here, but they changed their minds a couple months before the season started.

Halifax gave out jerseys per ticket too

RedsYNWA
08-14-2019, 04:32 PM
I have Prawn tickets To Forge FC and have been to half of their games this season. I also have been a a SS holder for TFC in the south since day 1 in 2007....I got old had 2 kids and changed jobs. Back in the old days went to 100% of games that varied over the years to now only being able to attend 10%. Today was the only time I was not able to sell my tickets to a TFC match. I will renew for 2020...It would be nice if TFC gave out a jersey for SS holders.

tfcfans
08-15-2019, 10:51 AM
Well the good news about crapping out against Independiente this season in February means that the Can Champ Finals ticket against Mtl on Sept 25th is part of your ST package now (given a choice of KC in the first week of March in the QF of CCL, or MTL in the Finals of Can Champ in September, I bet more people would likely use their tickets for this game than for that one I would imagine)....anyways, felt like a bonus this morning when I got the email (I was waiting for the "opt-in" email for my tickets), as I had forgotten that this game was now part of our package as a result of CCL screw-ups in February....

Let's hope we get a big crowd as a result, as last year against Vancouver (with Davies playing), was disappointing as it was a game not included in the ST package and only 15K showed up to watch TFC hoist the trophy in a rather entertaining game!

nfitz
08-15-2019, 12:07 PM
Let's hope we get a big crowd as a result, as last year against Vancouver (with Davies playing), was disappointing as it was a game not included in the ST package and only 15K showed up to watch TFC hoist the trophy in a rather entertaining game!I don't think we had close to 15k last night, even with it in our ticket package. Reported attendence was 12,683.

Oldtimer
08-16-2019, 08:23 AM
I received this email from MLSE:


we have another exciting announcement - your 2020 renewal invoicing is going paperless!


I am beyond thrilled. :Yawn:

Soccer Mum
08-16-2019, 08:34 AM
I received this email from MLSE:



I am beyond thrilled. :Yawn:

You should be. TFC doing good for the environment.

tfcfans
08-16-2019, 09:53 AM
After seeing "discounted" (?) prices for the Can Champ Finals this morning I am a little surprised that they think selling almost all of the tickets at upwards of $50+ each (and many likely will be more than $75 each) to the public on Monday is going to result in a full house that night (assuming the $34 ticket which is more or less the cheapest thing available and that's with a discount and no fees) - it's still a Wednesday night in September which is a tougher sell to get people down to BMO on weeknights not during the summer months especially; the Leafs are actually playing the Canadiens at home that night in a pre-season game (what are the odds?) which although for people on this board may be seen as blasphemous to compare to a Cup Final, I still think that some sports fans of either team may choose hockey over soccer that night especially when they are charging significantly less for Leafs tickets than TFC (I know its pre-season meaningless stuff but it still is in competition for the sports entertainment dollar that evening). Not sure about others, but my thoughts of buying extras for the Finals for the evening diminished significantly when I saw the prices today (I have my ST already so I will be there).

Anyone else think the prices seemed a bit much for public sale (factoring in the increase over what was shown today)?

(Relating this all to the thread -- makes my ST seem much more valuable today when a pair of my seats would likely have cost me $100 or so in a public sale, or 2-3X what I paid originally!)

stevep
08-16-2019, 10:28 AM
After seeing "discounted" (?) prices for the Can Champ Finals this morning I am a little surprised that they think selling almost all of the tickets at upwards of $50+ each (and many likely will be more than $75 each) to the public on Monday is going to result in a full house that night (assuming the $34 ticket which is more or less the cheapest thing available and that's with a discount and no fees) - it's still a Wednesday night in September which is a tougher sell to get people down to BMO on weeknights not during the summer months especially; the Leafs are actually playing the Canadiens at home that night in a pre-season game (what are the odds?) which although for people on this board may be seen as blasphemous to compare to a Cup Final, I still think that some sports fans of either team may choose hockey over soccer that night especially when they are charging significantly less for Leafs tickets than TFC (I know its pre-season meaningless stuff but it still is in competition for the sports entertainment dollar that evening). Not sure about others, but my thoughts of buying extras for the Finals for the evening diminished significantly when I saw the prices today (I have my ST already so I will be there).

Anyone else think the prices seemed a bit much for public sale (factoring in the increase over what was shown today)?

(Relating this all to the thread -- makes my ST seem much more valuable today when a pair of my seats would likely have cost me $100 or so in a public sale, or 2-3X what I paid originally!)

slightly off topic but yet sort of on the topic
wanta see expensive seats for the resale market?
check out lafc vs tfc
my seats approximate seats at bmo are asking $250 CDN each at banc California
hey Manning see the value in being a great team

https://www.ticketexchangebyticketmaster.com/seg176/toronto-fc-at-los-angeles-football-club-tickets-los-angeles-ca-9-21-2019/tickets/2568808?_ga=2.103565952.1402425290.1565996509-70051646.1552849381&_gac=1.150733380.1564248525.CjwKCAjw7O_pBRA3EiwA_l mtfrJ5yICEqtrRnlvlVXQ2cRjhyx2tlY06gDhjq0md1zRXiN0X fzlkcRoC1wsQAvD_BwE

JDMD
08-16-2019, 10:40 AM
You should be. TFC doing good for the environment.

I agree! I was always a bit annoyed that in the past, a few weeks after I had submitted my renewal online (I usually renew as soon as I get the email!) I would receive a paper copy of the invoice in my mailbox even though I had already paid it an re-upped for the next season. It would ultimately just be tossed in the blue bin and was a total waste of time, money, and natural resources.

I know my comment has nothing to do with the OP's point about renewing based on TFC's on-field performance, but I do think that overall this is a positive development.

benito
08-16-2019, 01:06 PM
I would have been more excited if the email stated they were reverting to year 1 pricing! :)

Brett McClellan
08-16-2019, 02:11 PM
I'm planning to get them again for next year, but interested to see if ML$E continues to increase prices with a couple of subpar seasons after the 2015-17 "successful" years. That said, I now have my seats in the South End after several relocations, so for the money, it's a good deal!

TFC1986
08-17-2019, 08:01 AM
I need to downgrade my season seats. I need as cheap tickets as possible.
So yes I'll be renewing.
Agree with most in this thread. You don't buy Season seats to make a profit. You buy them because you attend.
I however don't agree with people that buy and attend less than 50% of the games. That's just hoarding tickets. It's fine/amazing if sharing with friends and family of course. Also with fellow members on boards like this, that create a community. For those who can't afford a full season.
So mainly I'm against scalpers that have 8 tickets in supporter areas.

I was glad to see MLSE target leafs and raptor Season holders if they can see you transfer your tickets out. That you get flagged and your prices are much more than the seat beside you.

As far as member benefits I'd like the ability to buy a parking pass for the enercare building or the TFC parking lot. Something where it works out to be $10 a game.
A better coupon booklet. Maybe offer Season holders one ticket for 50% off jersey anytime. Instead of last few games of year.

Fort York Redcoat
08-17-2019, 08:14 AM
What you self righteous superfans are not mentioning is this.
We have to make a decision to get season seats in October,. We based ourbl decision to renew partly based on the players on the team ie Sebastian giovinco.
Then a few weeks before the season starts he's gone.
And to say it has been a shit show this year is an understatement.
So excuse us regular fans if we are simply curious of other regular fans are renewing.
I get it you superfans that are paying what a whole $30/ticket are renewing. Big spenders

$$$ does not equal support.


Is it already that time? The should I renew thread? I can't wait to see the conclusion!

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ForcefulBleakGalah-size_restricted.gif

Will it be a cliffhanger season finale?

boozilla
08-19-2019, 11:02 PM
SSH since year 2.
Socially, I miss hooking up with friends from other sections outside at the half. I take issue with Inibriatti getting turfed, body searches, lineups and concession gauging.
Watching good football trumps all and I'll never forget 2017
I will opt to sit out the upcoming rebuild carousel.

nfitz
08-27-2019, 03:32 PM
... I take issue with Inibriatti getting turfed...I guess you haven't been there this season. They've been out in force, most of the year.

motorheadfc
08-27-2019, 07:33 PM
After seeing "discounted" (?) prices for the Can Champ Finals this morning I am a little surprised that they think selling almost all of the tickets at upwards of $50+ each (and many likely will be more than $75 each) to the public on Monday is going to result in a full house that night (assuming the $34 ticket which is more or less the cheapest thing available and that's with a discount and no fees) - it's still a Wednesday night in September which is a tougher sell to get people down to BMO on weeknights not during the summer months especially; the Leafs are actually playing the Canadiens at home that night in a pre-season game (what are the odds?) which although for people on this board may be seen as blasphemous to compare to a Cup Final, I still think that some sports fans of either team may choose hockey over soccer that night especially when they are charging significantly less for Leafs tickets than TFC (I know its pre-season meaningless stuff but it still is in competition for the sports entertainment dollar that evening). Not sure about others, but my thoughts of buying extras for the Finals for the evening diminished significantly when I saw the prices today (I have my ST already so I will be there).

Anyone else think the prices seemed a bit much for public sale (factoring in the increase over what was shown today)?

(Relating this all to the thread -- makes my ST seem much more valuable today when a pair of my seats would likely have cost me $100 or so in a public sale, or 2-3X what I paid originally!)

100%
i was going to buy a few extras for some of the guys i work with and make it a night out at a showcase event like TFC v MTL
once i saw the prices there was no way. not sure why they think they can make a cash grab of it. i would think a full house would result in a spectacle that should lead to future $$$

magmadragon
08-28-2019, 02:16 PM
The balls on these guys to raise prices again after such a shit season.

SPALE
08-28-2019, 02:20 PM
The balls on these guys to raise prices again after such a shit season.

Lmfao. I jut got the email. And I’m scared to even log in and see this mess. I’ll be back no matter what but I agree after two shit seasons and prices still rise

105
08-28-2019, 02:22 PM
For me in light grey, up 10%

benito
08-28-2019, 02:23 PM
The balls on these guys to raise prices again after such a shit season.

My seats in sec 126 went up approximately $150 for the pair.

Nuvinho
08-28-2019, 02:30 PM
Section 115 and 118 went from $304 to $380 - 25% increase!!!!
Section 108 went from $1,235 to $1,351 - just over 9% increase

I think this is correct. I just used my last 2 invoices.

leafsman
08-28-2019, 02:35 PM
Did we pay for 20 games this season as well? If so my Supporters tickets went up $608-733 for $125 or 21% increase.

tfcfans
08-28-2019, 02:40 PM
My seats in 220 went up 15%....I will now drop two of my four without much regret (I will always keep my original pair if at all possible - but I don't imagine extras being that difficult to get anytime soon and with ST already I'm sure I'll be given presale access or discounts anyways for additionals as required) ---- thank you to TFC making it an easy decision for me (FYI the Jays didn't lower their prices in the 500 Level after this season either...so an all around impressive day today in Toronto sports - ha ha ha)......

Red CB Toronto
08-28-2019, 02:43 PM
Section 115 and 118 went from $304 to $380 - 25% increase!!!!
Section 108 went from $1,235 to $1,351 - just over 9% increase

I think this is correct. I just used my last 2 invoices.

My southend ticket in 118 also got a bump, from $363 to $380. I think they are still trying to play catch-up with the year one rollback they did. Will be interesting to see what the price is for a new southend ticket?

magmadragon
08-28-2019, 02:44 PM
Yeah I'm in light grey as well. $510, highest it's ever been for me.

Not happy about the lack of hard tickets. Just like concerts I like collecting my stubs. Good luck to those with older relatives. Not sure how my dad will go to games when I can't make it. My old man doesn't have a cell phone.

I have a season seat with Forge and it's mobile only. My phone is too old for the app. So I have to log into account manager on my phone and take a screenshot (I'm not gonna fumble with staying logged in while trying to get in). The TFC FAQ says no screenshots. Hopefully that's just the usual nonsense. If they go with the method that some venues use in the US, where the barcode is dynamic, so you can't actually do screenshots....then I don't know. Apparently MLSE will have discretion to give us hard tickets.

Not having access to the app means I don't have access the discount card either. It's the same white labelled app that ticketmaster account manager uses. So I already know I'll have an issue with this next season for TFC.

They also aren't doing it as 10 payments but 9. The first one is doubled up.

Would love to hear Manning justify this bullshit. Rat bastard.

magmadragon
08-28-2019, 02:49 PM
My southend ticket in 118 also got a bump, from $363 to $380. I think they are still trying to play catch-up with the year one rollback they did. Will be interesting to see what the price is for a new southend ticket?

Yeah I know in the yellows you guys had at least 2 different tiers of rollback pricing. Guess it's just 1 tier now. In 111 we were all on the same legacy price regardless if it was actual year 1 or someone a few year later or even other legacies that moved into 111. So we are going $462 to $510.

But you guys are still getting a solid deal. I miss the days when the light greys were tied to the yellows. And CB before you tell me again why, I know bud :P

nfitz
08-28-2019, 02:51 PM
Section 115 and 118 went from $304 to $380 - 25% increase!!!!Ditto for supporters - for the seat I've had for years.

But for the seat in supporters (yellow) I added back in 2015, I paid $457 last year, and it's $457 this year.

So 0% increase for more recent purchasers. Last year they both went up 7.5%. The year before they went up 19% and 18%. The year before that 9% and 6%.

At $19 a game ($380 divided by 20), this is the same price as 2011, before the huge cut in prices.


Did we pay for 20 games this season as well?Yes. It's been 20 games for the last 3 years (2018 to 2020). Before that it was 19 (17 league + 2 Voyageurs Cup) games since 2012.

magmadragon
08-28-2019, 02:52 PM
Did we pay for 20 games this season as well? If so my Supporters tickets went up $608-733 for $125 or 21% increase.

Correct. 20 games this year as well. Worked out to 17 league, 1 CCL, 2 CanChamp.

OgtheDim
08-28-2019, 02:57 PM
11% increase in medium grey in 221 - I have a few sold credits that makes it cheaper.
I'm OK with my amount. Price per game is fair in my mind but others will make their own choices

NOTE


The playoff ticket prices will be coming off on September 27. If we are potentially able to be in 6th place on that date,they will charge us that full invoice. If the team doesn't get a home playoff game, will be up to a max of about 30% of my seat price being credited there.

Your mileage may vary

leafsman
08-28-2019, 02:58 PM
My Southend invoice says $760 less payments of $27. does anyone else see it like that?

OgtheDim
08-28-2019, 03:01 PM
My Southend invoice says $760 less payments of $27. does anyone else see it like that?

Credits for sold tickets?

bmm
08-28-2019, 03:03 PM
I'm looking at a price decrease of a couple of bucks (<1%) for my pair in 224... just relocated into these seats this season.

leafsman
08-28-2019, 03:07 PM
Credits for sold tickets?

Dont remember lol, thought i only sold one game on the site and got a cheque for it.

Oldtimer
08-28-2019, 03:16 PM
So I have to log into account manager on my phone and take a screenshot (I'm not gonna fumble with staying logged in while trying to get in). The TFC FAQ says no screenshots. Hopefully that's just the usual nonsense. If they go with the method that some venues use in the US, where the barcode is dynamic, so you can't actually do screenshots....then I don't know.

I saw someone refused entry 2 games ago, he had a screenshot. So they do mean it.

magmadragon
08-28-2019, 03:17 PM
Just updating a comment I made a couple seasons ago to help track this:

What it looked like the past few years in 111:

2012: 399
2013: 228 (when things rolled back to year 1 pricing)
2014: 228
2015: 228
2016: 323 (the 42% increase)
2017: 380 -- 361 for season + 19 for CCL (subsequently refunded due to CCL format change) <-- Let's call this 20 games for consistency
2018: 430 for 20 games
2019: 462 for 20 games
2020: 510 for 20 games

I don't have older emails for previous prices but I know they were less than 399 as that was the peak after consistent annual increases.

magmadragon
08-28-2019, 03:21 PM
I saw someone refused entry 2 games ago, he had a screenshot. So they do mean it.

Then they are being pain in the ass and I'm not sure how this is going to work next year. At least Forge doesn't give me any issues with screenshots. I wonder if they are going the dynamic barcode method.

Other option is it was a cropped screenshot and that caused the issue. A screenshot of the account manager with the QR code should theoretically be fine (like it is with Forge who also officially don't allow screenshots).

nfitz
08-28-2019, 03:29 PM
Just updating a comment I made a couple seasons ago to help track this:

What it looked like the past few years in 111:

2012: 399
2013: 228 (when things rolled back to year 1 pricing)
2014: 228
2015: 228
2016: 323 (the 42% increase)
2017: 380 -- 361 for season + 19 for CCL (subsequently refunded due to CCL format change) <-- Let's call this 20 games for consistency
2018: 430 for 20 games
2019: 462 for 20 games
2020: 510 for 20 games

I don't have older emails for previous prices but I know they were less than 399 as that was the peak after consistent annual increases.Yeah, that matches my notes for light-grey with year 1 (or pre-2012 really) pricing.

Going further back I have:

2007: $240 (15 games plus 2 friendlies)
2008: $266 (15 games plus 2 friendlies)
2009: $320 (15 games + 3 CCL/VC + 1 friendly)
2010: $361 (15 games + 2 CCL/VC + 1 friendly)
2011: $416 (17 games + 2 CCL/VC + 2010 MLS Cup) (originally was going to be $437 but they made one game free after the uprising - actually was originally going to be $479 for 17 games + 4 CCL/VC + 2010 MLS Cup, but they backed down)

Oldtimer
08-28-2019, 03:29 PM
Then they are being pain in the ass and I'm not sure how this is going to work next year. At least Forge doesn't give me any issues with screenshots. I wonder if they are going the dynamic barcode method.

Other option is it was a cropped screenshot and that caused the issue. A screenshot of the account manager with the QR code should theoretically be fine (like it is with Forge who also officially don't allow screenshots).

It wasn't that it wouldn't scan, they refused to even scan it. He argued with security, but they said "no screenshots." Just a fyi so you can plan. maybe MLSE will allow for people to special order paper tickets or something, not everyone has a smart phone.

nfitz
08-28-2019, 03:34 PM
A screenshot of the account manager with the QR code should theoretically be fine (like it is with Forge who also officially don't allow screenshots).Unless it's dynamic (and I don't think either TFC or Forge are - I've used both), how would they even tell it's a screenshot? I've screenshot before as a backup (just in case), but not used it. But it's completely the same as what I see in Google Pay or Ticketmaster app (again, used both).

But hang on - what about the people who don't have Smart phones?!? My wife didn't even have one until recently).

Or people who have Smartphones, but no wireless data plan (and rely on wifi - which doesn't work at the stadium).

OgtheDim
08-28-2019, 03:37 PM
It wasn't that it wouldn't scan, they refused to even scan it. He argued with security, but they said "no screenshots." Just a fyi so you can plan. maybe MLSE will allow for people to special order paper tickets or something, not everyone has a smart phone.


Hmm.....not sure how this plays out but what about people with dexterity or visual impairments? Accommodations would have to be made certainly.

Worth somebody asking Manning directly about old geezers without cell phones.

Oldtimer
08-28-2019, 03:37 PM
Unless it's dynamic (and I don't think either TFC or Forge are - I've used both), how would they even tell it's a screenshot?

I don't know, the guy was fumbling with his phone, maybe he did something that made it obvious.

magmadragon
08-28-2019, 03:41 PM
It wasn't that it wouldn't scan, they refused to even scan it. He argued with security, but they said "no screenshots." Just a fyi so you can plan. maybe MLSE will allow for people to special order paper tickets or something, not everyone has a smart phone.

I totally get that. I'll keep it in mind, thank you! Hopefully I can get them to get me some actual tickets as per the FAQ. But who knows how anal they will be about it. Can't even tell you who my rep is anymore ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


I don't know, the guy was fumbling with his phone, maybe he did something that made it obvious.

That would be my guess. The trick to doing something you aren't really supposed to do is to not make it obvious you are bending the rules lol


Unless it's dynamic (and I don't think either TFC or Forge are - I've used both), how would they even tell it's a screenshot? I've screenshot before as a backup (just in case), but not used it. But it's completely the same as what I see in Google Pay or Ticketmaster app (again, used both).

Right and since its the same base app for Forge and TFC, I'm hoping it won't actually be an issue. Unless you tell me to swipe or look at the clock or something, there is no way to tell I'm not in the account manager GUI. Assuming it won't be dynamic next year for both Forge and TFC so my workaround should still be ok.

Failing all that I guess I'll have to pop into the box office each game, which would be a huge pain in the ass.


But hang on - what about the people who don't have Smart phones?!? My wife didn't even have one until recently).

Or people who have Smartphones, but no wireless data plan (and rely on wifi - which doesn't work at the stadium).

And that goes beyond me having a janky old smartphone. There is the rare game I can't go so my dad just takes my printed off ticket. Well he's retired and doesn't even have a flip phone. He's gone his whole life without a cell. That's not going to change.

I understand that at some point we rip the bandaid off and go full digital and there will never be an ideal time for that to get 100% on board. Still sucks though. I like ticket stubs dammit!

glaze
08-28-2019, 03:42 PM
Light grey screwed again.... lol
Not really but i am still bitter from the 40 percent jump 2 years ago.
The pricing is rather screwed, when you consider the upper east side which should be, in the corners the cheapest seats in the house.
While a 50 dollar increase isnt major, we are being asked to pay before we know anything about next year,
I only worry because Manning has been saying he wants to make BMO more argos friendly, two cne games, etc.
We all are renewing this year simply for the lpve of the club, and the experience of going to games.
I'll still feel taken advantage of and unappreciated when i make this payment.

Red CB Toronto
08-28-2019, 03:50 PM
That is why I bailed on my light grey pair heading into the 2016 and relocated to the south end. Totally had they feeling that the gap for the soutnend vs the rest of the stadium was going to widen which it has. My current ticket is $380 vs my old one at $510.


Light grey screwed again.... lol
Not really but i am still bitter from the 40 percent jump 2 years ago.
The pricing is rather screwed, when you consider the upper east side which should be, in the corners the cheapest seats in the house.
While a 50 dollar increase isnt major, we are being asked to pay before we know anything about next year,
I only worry because Manning has been saying he wants to make BMO more argos friendly, two cne games, etc.
We all are renewing this year simply for the lpve of the club, and the experience of going to games.
I'll still feel taken advantage of and unappreciated when i make this payment.

magmadragon
08-28-2019, 03:57 PM
That is why I bailed on my light grey pair heading into the 2016 and relocated to the south end. Totally had they feeling that the gap for the soutnend vs the rest of the stadium was going to widen which it has. My current ticket is $380 vs my old one at $510.

And based on what nfitz wrote earlier, looks like 457 is the price floor they are trying to get you guys to eventually. Maybe not the season after, but by 2022 the last vestiges of legacy pricing should be gone.

tfcfans
08-28-2019, 04:13 PM
I have legacy pricing in upper light grays -- anyone know what the "normal" price is for seats up in 219-220 and 226-227? -- I know they are priced differently for STH than the lower light grays on the East side (is $510 the legacy price for things in 105/111?). Mine went from $417 last year to $478 this year - about a 15% increase).

Joe Kool
08-28-2019, 04:14 PM
I have two pairs in the south end at two different loyalty levels. Last couple of years I always paid about $300 difference between the two pairs consistently. This year my difference between the two pairs is $154. They are definitely trying to catch up the first year loyalty level to the more recent loyalty levels in a more aggressive way. So much for the concept of loyalty pricing I guess if they are eventually going to catch us up with the current pricing. My entire increase is in my original pair.

nfitz
08-28-2019, 04:25 PM
I have legacy pricing in upper light grays -- anyone know what the "normal" price is for seats up in 219-220 and 226-227? -- I know they are priced differently for STH than the lower light grays on the East side (is $510 the legacy price for things in 105/111?). Mine went from $417 last year to $478 this year - about a 15% increase).It's been harder and harder to find pricing of late. But in 2018, they were offering new seasons in upper light grey at $561 - when you would have paid $388. In 2017 they offered them at $475 when you would have paid $342.

kodiakTFC
08-28-2019, 04:47 PM
I have three seperate levels of season tickets in 112.

Oldest: 380
Mid: 457
Newest: 532

Daaaamn.

nfitz
08-28-2019, 05:10 PM
I have three seperate levels of season tickets in 112.

Oldest: 380
Mid: 457
Newest: 532

Daaaamn.Someone else mentioned $532 as well (elsewhere) - a 2018 (2019 seasons) first-timer. Gosh, there were 4 different price tiers last year then. Well there's an incentive not to dump the $457 one, like I was pondering ...

magmadragon
08-28-2019, 05:21 PM
I have legacy pricing in upper light grays -- anyone know what the "normal" price is for seats up in 219-220 and 226-227? -- I know they are priced differently for STH than the lower light grays on the East side (is $510 the legacy price for things in 105/111?). Mine went from $417 last year to $478 this year - about a 15% increase).


It's been harder and harder to find pricing of late. But in 2018, they were offering new seasons in upper light grey at $561 - when you would have paid $388. In 2017 they offered them at $475 when you would have paid $342.

New prices we can only guess based on the ratios we have. They don't really put out a price map like they used to.

If we assume the single tier legacy price for all our sections we get something like this.

Yellow: 457
Upper Light Grey: 478 (4.6% difference)
Lower Light Grey 510 (6.7% difference)

New

Yellow: 532
Upper Light Grey: 556 (4.6% difference)
Lower Light Grey 593 (6.7% difference)

But since nfitz mentioned the 2018 upper light grey price of 561, who knows what the "new" 2020 price is for all of these.


I have three seperate levels of season tickets in 112.

Oldest: 380
Mid: 457
Newest: 532

Daaaamn.

Thanks a lot for the data points.

tfcfans
08-28-2019, 05:30 PM
Thanks.

TFC1986
08-28-2019, 06:19 PM
Anyone looking to swap a pair in 105 for a southend or not renewing. Let me know

Section_105
08-29-2019, 09:18 AM
Anyone looking to swap a pair in 105 for a southend or not renewing. Let me know

:seeya: I have to stay...it's in my name....

stevep
08-29-2019, 11:13 AM
Don't forget zlatan coming next year and so is lafc

JT Red127
08-29-2019, 12:01 PM
Don't forget zlatan coming next year and so is lafc

I'm unsure if this is a joke or not? I'm leaning towards not.

:scarf:

Mateo1985
08-29-2019, 12:12 PM
Everyone always says they won't renew. And then boom everyone is back next season making FO able to do what they want with their pricing. I'm guilty of that as well lol

stevep
08-29-2019, 12:32 PM
I'm unsure if this is a joke or not? I'm leaning towards not.

:scarf:

No joke. Renewing

stevep
08-29-2019, 12:34 PM
Everyone always says they won't renew. And then boom everyone is back next season making FO able to do what they want with their pricing. I'm guilty of that as well lol

My prices stayed the same.
Was really mad after the Houston game.
I've calmed down now.

JT Red127
08-29-2019, 01:21 PM
No joke. Renewing

Because LAFC is coming?

Auzzy
08-29-2019, 01:37 PM
Everyone always says they won't renew. And then boom everyone is back next season making FO able to do what they want with their pricing. I'm guilty of that as well lol

I dropped my pair of light grey seats a few years ago, I think it was after the 42% price increase. Now I share with someone else. I still attend almost every game, but I was having more & more problems getting rid of my second seat (or my pair if I ever couldn't make it). Often losing money, giving the tickets away, or just throwing them out. Both within my family, and among friends that used to come along, there's much less interest than in the past. (The same was true for my new seatmate.) Two good seasons don't make up for years of mediocrity and embarrassment.

That's one reason I'm so allergic to some of the tall tales club management has been dishing out this year & last. Sure some of that is true, there were probably some unavoidable situations. But there's way too much BS, unprofessionalism, and poor planning. (Way back when, I used to gobble up every bit of TFC news; listen to every interview; etc. Now I can hardly even listen to interviews anymore; they mostly make me ill. Years of BS & getting taken for a ride will do that.)

I'm not so sure about "everyone renewing" -- this year and last, I find the stadium is often more empty than in the past. The team was on an upward trajectory a few years ago. But things plateaued or even cratered around the time of the east side expansion, and they never got up to the demand they expected. Now they're jacking up prices more for the people who have had seasons tickets longer; then next year there will be lots of deals on the RPB ticket trader; on StubHub, WorkPerks, and elsewhere.

Areathrasher
08-29-2019, 02:15 PM
Don't forget zlatan coming next year and so is lafc

Don't be so sure on Zlatan. His contract is up at the end of the season.

Ultra & Proud
08-29-2019, 03:00 PM
I can't honestly believe anyone would renew or buy season's tickets based on seeing a player on an opposing team.

Redpunkfiddle
08-29-2019, 03:06 PM
I can't honestly believe anyone would renew or buy season's tickets based on seeing a player on an opposing team.

cough2007cough

WestStandGeoff
08-29-2019, 03:09 PM
I can't honestly believe anyone would renew or buy season's tickets based on seeing a player on an opposing team.

Well it has been a few years, but I do recall a significant increase in interest ahead of the first season immediately after Beckham announced he was going to LAG...

huninho
08-29-2019, 03:31 PM
I dropped my pair of light grey seats a few years ago, I think it was after the 42% price increase. Now I share with someone else. I still attend almost every game, but I was having more & more problems getting rid of my second seat (or my pair if I ever couldn't make it). Often losing money, giving the tickets away, or just throwing them out. Both within my family, and among friends that used to come along, there's much less interest than in the past. (The same was true for my new seatmate.) Two good seasons don't make up for years of mediocrity and embarrassment.

That's one reason I'm so allergic to some of the tall tales club management has been dishing out this year & last. Sure some of that is true, there were probably some unavoidable situations. But there's way too much BS, unprofessionalism, and poor planning. (Way back when, I used to gobble up every bit of TFC news; listen to every interview; etc. Now I can hardly even listen to interviews anymore; they mostly make me ill. Years of BS & getting taken for a ride will do that.)

I'm not so sure about "everyone renewing" -- this year and last, I find the stadium is often more empty than in the past. The team was on an upward trajectory a few years ago. But things plateaued or even cratered around the time of the east side expansion, and they never got up to the demand they expected. Now they're jacking up prices more for the people who have had seasons tickets longer; then next year there will be lots of deals on the RPB ticket trader; on StubHub, WorkPerks, and elsewhere.

Agree 100%

MightyDM
08-29-2019, 03:34 PM
I am in upper deck east side. Seats went from about 33 to about 37.50. Not totally unreasonable but getting close to the point where I might have to consider only taking two rather than the four I have.

I have two gripes:

This year was a huge Management fail - Seba etc. Why are we paying more when we didn’t get what we paid for last year ie a team taking one more run for glory with the best player in MLS history?

Secondly, game day experience:

Stop telling us what to do! That’s for the leafs and raptors. We chanted last names on our own, sang O Canada on our own, etc. We don’t need MLSE’s announcer to tell us that. Stop it!

stevep
08-29-2019, 03:37 PM
Because LAFC is coming?

No.i Figure every game I miss costs me $50.
I hope to miss 0 games, but say I don't want to go to 5 games that's $250 lost.

If I sell zlatan game and lafc game and say the cne game I will easily make back that $250
I may also experiment with selling tickets on Craigslist next year.
As of now if I sold my tickets on tickets now for Colorado game I would not lose money.
Also no bullshit gold cup next year

KingLedley
08-29-2019, 09:36 PM
Same seat in 221 since July 2014. Of course I will renew. No increase on last season. Plus I went to that frozen wastage of a match against Panama. TTID ....

Red CB Toronto
08-29-2019, 11:41 PM
Same seat in 221 since July 2014. Of course I will renew. No increase on last season. Plus I went to that frozen wastage of a match against Panama. TTID ....

That was the coldest mother f..ken game I have ever attended, first time I wondered why I went to a TFC game , but stuck it out.

Red4ever
08-30-2019, 08:58 AM
Secondly, game day experience:

Stop telling us what to do! That’s for the leafs and raptors. We chanted last names on our own, sang O Canada on our own, etc. We don’t need MLSE’s announcer to tell us that. Stop it!

I'm kinda on the opposite track. I have been begging for the whole stadium to get involved with stuff the way they do in atlanta, Seattle and Minnesota.

Supporters have had their shot to get the stadium involved but they havent.
I'm open to the Club getting us to a coordinated approach.

C.Ronaldo
08-30-2019, 09:06 AM
I'm kinda on the opposite track. I have been begging for the whole stadium to get involved with stuff the way they do in atlanta, Seattle and Minnesota.

Supporters have had their shot to get the stadium involved but they havent.
I'm open to the Club getting us to a coordinated approach.

yah, the rest of stadium could use a jolt.

Are they still having the standing vs sitting debate :facepalm:

samuraizero
08-30-2019, 09:56 AM
How did everyones pricing work out this year?
I cant remember what each of my tickets was last year, but I dont think the price went up by much or at all?

JT Red127
08-30-2019, 10:28 AM
I'm kinda on the opposite track. I have been begging for the whole stadium to get involved with stuff the way they do in atlanta, Seattle and Minnesota.

Supporters have had their shot to get the stadium involved but they havent.
I'm open to the Club getting us to a coordinated approach.

It's actually a very interesting topic...I dont want any more of a manufactured atmosphere than we already attempt in the stadium, but we've had this discussion in my section (127) about getting together to provide a united voice for supporters that are outside the supporter sections. A different supporter group than the ones in the south end, but one that I think would be beneficial to the atmosphere and supporter relations with the club without being attached to one of the south end supporter groups. We'll see.

Oldtimer
08-30-2019, 10:34 AM
How did everyones pricing work out this year?
I cant remember what each of my tickets was last year, but I dont think the price went up by much or at all?

If you're interested and have the time, it's all in this thread.

Executive summary:

It depends where you have seats and whether you have grandfathered pricing. People with grandfathered pricing in with yellow or grey seats are paying significantly more but there are some who aren't grandfathered and have seats elsewhere who have little or no change.

Ponderosa
08-30-2019, 10:45 AM
I am in upper deck east side. Seats went from about 33 to about 37.50. Not totally unreasonable but getting close to the point where I might have to consider only taking two rather than the four I have.

I have two gripes:

This year was a huge Management fail - Seba etc. Why are we paying more when we didn’t get what we paid for last year ie a team taking one more run for glory with the best player in MLS history?

Secondly, game day experience:

Stop telling us what to do! That’s for the leafs and raptors. We chanted last names on our own, sang O Canada on our own, etc. We don’t need MLSE’s announcer to tell us that. Stop it!


Now I understand the % increases - someone has to pay the announcer and for the video board karaoke reel!

(Personal pet peeve - the idiot singer who drowns out the fans during O Canada right to the end of the anthem - at least the woman singer has the sense to shut up after the first line or two and turn the mic to the stands)

Ponderosa
08-30-2019, 10:55 AM
yah, the rest of stadium could use a jolt.

Are they still having the standing vs sitting debate :facepalm:

A bit of a culture shock - I went back to my old s104 seats for the match against DCU - if you stand for any reason other than the anthem or to get out of your seat both security and surrounding seat holders will be on you within seconds.

MightyDM
08-30-2019, 11:36 AM
That was the coldest mother f..ken game I have ever attended, first time I wondered why I went to a TFC game , but stuck it out.

My feet literally froze. I left in the 80th minute. Still mad at Vanney about the first game. houston was that all over again.

MightyDM
08-30-2019, 11:37 AM
I'm kinda on the opposite track. I have been begging for the whole stadium to get involved with stuff the way they do in atlanta, Seattle and Minnesota.

Supporters have had their shot to get the stadium involved but they havent.
I'm open to the Club getting us to a coordinated approach.

not for me. thats not real. and maybe there is no energy this year in the stands because there is none on the pitch.

MightyDM
08-30-2019, 11:38 AM
Now I understand the % increases - someone has to pay the announcer and for the video board karaoke reel!

(Personal pet peeve - the idiot singer who drowns out the fans during O Canada right to the end of the anthem - at least the woman singer has the sense to shut up after the first line or two and turn the mic to the stands)

MLSE should have put a stop to that long ago. really frustrating.

OgtheDim
08-30-2019, 11:54 AM
I'm pretty sure the singers are told to let us sing without them or not. Thus, my Pet Peeve about not letting us sing acapella - let us fail and if that happens, its not our fault.

Don't tell us we are all not good enough by having the person sing through. If its tradition, let it continue. If it sounds like crap, who's fault is that?

JoesphNdo
08-30-2019, 12:16 PM
Someone mentioned standing - does anyone know whatever happened to Mannings promise about safe standing? I was really pumped for that but it's been silence since

Super
08-30-2019, 01:18 PM
Someone mentioned standing - does anyone know whatever happened to Mannings promise about safe standing? I was really pumped for that but it's been silence since

I think it depends on Toronto's participation in the 2026 World Cup. Stadiums would have to seat 40,000, so the idea was to expand the stadium, including the south end, and then making the south end general admission to better group the supporters - and then everybody else can be in the side or corners of the south end. It would greatly improve the atmosphere. Manning gets that, but I think again it has more to do with expansion and the World Cup than anything near future. Unfortunately I don't think anything will happen with this project in the near future, and I don't see Manning sticking around much longer.

JoesphNdo
08-30-2019, 01:38 PM
I think it depends on Toronto's participation in the 2026 World Cup. Stadiums would have to seat 40,000, so the idea was to expand the stadium, including the south end, and then making the south end general admission to better group the supporters - and then everybody else can be in the side or corners of the south end. It would greatly improve the atmosphere. Manning gets that, but I think again it has more to do with expansion and the World Cup than anything near future. Unfortunately I don't think anything will happen with this project in the near future, and I don't see Manning sticking around much longer.

Ah, brutal. I'd honestly trade another season or two of garbage if we could lock in GA and a terrace in the south end, it'd be amazing for the atmosphere there

Ultra & Proud
08-30-2019, 01:46 PM
cough2007cough
I mean now not in 2007 or earlier. In 2020 I think it's weird.

DinamoTFC
08-30-2019, 01:56 PM
Someone mentioned standing - does anyone know whatever happened to Mannings promise about safe standing? I was really pumped for that but it's been silence since

I dont know but it needs to happen sooner rather than later. Need general admission asap so we can group like minded people together and push tourists who contribute nothing to the sides of the south end or at minimum it will encourage them to participate.

TFC1986
08-30-2019, 02:06 PM
General admission. No thank you.
Not a fan of that. I like the people I'm around. Don't need a drunk asshole to ruin my game and evening out

Red4ever
08-30-2019, 02:38 PM
not for me. thats not real. and maybe there is no energy this year in the stands because there is none on the pitch.

Nah. There are shit teams all around the globe who show up week in and week out. The culture was left to the supporters groups for a decade to provide the atmosphere.

There are maybe 500 people who actively know the words to chants.thats being generous. I think people say 'manufactured' to scare people when really, it would be great if everyone could sing something, anything as a stadium. You dont have to put in on a screen, but at least tell people they should take 30 minutes to learn it.

Right now 112 and 114 cant even stay in sync.

Red4ever
08-30-2019, 02:41 PM
It's actually a very interesting topic...I dont want any more of a manufactured atmosphere than we already attempt in the stadium, but we've had this discussion in my section (127) about getting together to provide a united voice for supporters that are outside the supporter sections. A different supporter group than the ones in the south end, but one that I think would be beneficial to the atmosphere and supporter relations with the club without being attached to one of the south end supporter groups. We'll see.

Agree 100%. Atmosphere should be everywhere. There should be an upper deck supporters group. The sound Carries the best there.

JoesphNdo
08-30-2019, 03:34 PM
General admission. No thank you.
Not a fan of that. I like the people I'm around. Don't need a drunk asshole to ruin my game and evening out

In practicality you almost always end up around the same people, anyway, and tickets are resold so often that you aren't safe from 'a drunk asshole' in the assigned seats setup, so it's really much of a muchness in that way. But it does wonders for atmosphere for a number of reasons and it's also just safer (no more banging my knees into the seats in front fo me)

bgnewf
08-30-2019, 04:26 PM
We have two pairs of seats in 113 - and we are seeing a 25% increase year over year.

that's a dick punch - dinging your most LOYAL customers who have renewed year after year with such a single year increase is simply put an insult.

Not pleased

MightyDM
08-30-2019, 05:06 PM
Nah. There are shit teams all around the globe who show up week in and week out. The culture was left to the supporters groups for a decade to provide the atmosphere.

There are maybe 500 people who actively know the words to chants.thats being generous. I think people say 'manufactured' to scare people when really, it would be great if everyone could sing something, anything as a stadium. You dont have to put in on a screen, but at least tell people they should take 30 minutes to learn it.

Right now 112 and 114 cant even stay in sync.

I’m in the second level. I would not mind song sheets being distributed, being told with tickets “it’s a tradition to ...” but they announcer telling us to ruins it Next they’ll hand a big screen over the field and tell us to “make noise”. I’m not interested in that kind of experience. No one has to do that at tranmere rovers. Or Liverpool

Carter
08-30-2019, 06:06 PM
We have two pairs of seats in 113 - and we are seeing a 25% increase year over year.

that's a dick punch - dinging your most LOYAL customers who have renewed year after year with such a single year increase is simply put an insult.

Not pleased

I am interested in understanding why you believe south end supporters are the most “loyal”...

Red4ever
08-30-2019, 07:11 PM
I’m in the second level. I would not mind song sheets being distributed, being told with tickets “it’s a tradition to ...” but they announcer telling us to ruins it Next they’ll hand a big screen over the field and tell us to “make noise”. I’m not interested in that kind of experience. No one has to do that at traders rovers. Or Liverpool

ill give you that. perfectly fair. I dont want a plastic atmosphere either.

But it should be noted that even Liverpool plays YNWA and people sing along.

Ultra & Proud
08-31-2019, 12:03 AM
Normally I'd make a huge fuss over playoff round 1 being the same price as our finals tickets but since we're most likely seeing no home playoff matches, it really doesn't matter.

And I like how they put MLS Final tickets on there when it's already mathematically impossible. We're heading back to the stupid age again I think.

OgtheDim
08-31-2019, 06:17 AM
I am interested in understanding why you believe south end supporters are the most “loyal”...

Yeah, I read that and went "Oh boy".

Guess where I was last week - top of 115

The amount of people who showed up at minute 30-50 was worse there then 221 and what I have observed in my visits into the Upper East. ( Yes, I know the South's culture of fluidity of presence over 90 minutes is well known)

And don't get me started on people who have been going to games for 10 years who claim "well the Ex slows me getting in" - they just can't be assed to have their body in the stadium on time.


There are NUMEROUS MLS stadiums where supporter groups demand you be there on time or you are not part of the group anymore.

That isn't the Toronto supporter groups way. Nor do I think it should be. But by and large, in this league, loyalty of supporters is judged based on being there for the full 90, not on what you do when you are there for 60 minutes.


***************************************

Counterpoint:

RPB indicates that you do not need to be in 111-112 to be considered part of RPB - you just have to share the values.

Fort York Redcoat
08-31-2019, 07:09 AM
No.i Figure every game I miss costs me $50.
I hope to miss 0 games, but say I don't want to go to 5 games that's $250 lost.

If I sell zlatan game and lafc game and say the cne game I will easily make back that $250
I may also experiment with selling tickets on Craigslist next year.
As of now if I sold my tickets on tickets now for Colorado game I would not lose money.
Also no bullshit gold cup next year

Gold Cup is not bullshit. It is simply too frequent.

Every 4 years is ideal for me.

Also not the Gold Cups fault we stacked our core with Nationals.

Carter
08-31-2019, 07:36 AM
Yeah, I read that and went "Oh boy".

Guess where I was last week - top of 115

The amount of people who showed up at minute 30-50 was worse there then 221 and what I have observed in my visits into the Upper East. ( Yes, I know the South's culture of fluidity of presence over 90 minutes is well known)

And don't get me started on people who have been going to games for 10 years who claim "well the Ex slows me getting in" - they just can't be assed to have their body in the stadium on time.


There are NUMEROUS MLS stadiums where supporter groups demand you be there on time or you are not part of the group anymore.

That isn't the Toronto supporter groups way. Nor do I think it should be. But by and large, in this league, loyalty of supporters is judged based on being there for the full 90, not on what you do when you are there for 60 minutes.


***************************************

Counterpoint:

RPB indicates that you do not need to be in 111-112 to be considered part of RPB - you just have to share the values.

i am sure you enjoyed our rendition of beans on toast during your visit to the Top of 115! You are always welcome OG, next time come down (row 16) and say hi, would love to put a face to the name...

really I want to understand the mentality, loyalty isn’t what section of the stadium you sit in... I know plenty of day “oners” whom don’t sit in South end, that are far more loyal to this club then “some south Enders”. Loyalty isn’t creating an atmosphere, it’s through thick and thin, day in and out no matter the result, and crap, these guys have been doing it at a much higher price point than 380 a ticket.

since day one, the south end is a tourist attraction, there is no loyalty in 50% of the seats as they change hands on a weekly basis, if you are hurt you went up 25%, give your head a shake, 25% over 20 games at your price point is 3 dollars a game, you are at 380 a seat paying 19 dollars a game.

For example, mid point grey level, day one seat has watched his per seat price fluctuate 500 a season, which is more than we pay a seat (generally in the south), yes he was pissed, yeah he complained, but he didn’t cancel his tickets, because he loves the club and is loyal to the badge...

edit; don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to make this a “they are more loyal than you” argument, I am just trying to understand the position.

I am a RPB member and a loyal supporter of this club and sit @ the top of 115... and not testing my loyalty vs anyone else’s.

eustacchio
08-31-2019, 08:10 AM
I'm pretty sure the singers are told to let us sing without them or not. Thus, my Pet Peeve about not letting us sing acapella - let us fail and if that happens, its not our fault.

Don't tell us we are all not good enough by having the person sing through. If its tradition, let it continue. If it sounds like crap, who's fault is that?

I often wonder how the anthem singers get paid. Do they get a flat rate? Do they get paid per song? Do they prefer singing at a TFC game because they have to do "less work"? Do they have to sing a certain number of words?

Yep - these are the things I think about.

ensco
08-31-2019, 08:41 AM
With respect to south end ticket prices, I reprise Fake Tom from 2010....

_____


I wonder if these stupid soccer supporters groups have ever heard of the Gallery Gods in the old Boston Garden? Or the Blue Seaters at the old MSG? Or the Bleacher Creatures at old Yankee Stadium?

They were big groups of working class hardcores in the cheapest seats and they were around for decades. I think they lasted 70 years for the Bruins. Their basic mission was to yell their lungs out, give out “Man of the Year” awards, and, probably most importantly, make fun of and generally harass the suits. They even did the odd song (the “Potvin Sucks” thing at Ranger games was a Blue Seat special). So, other than the fact that they did bumper stickers and didn’t have scarves…..sound familiar?

Those groups were all famous. They were tough too, those groups were filled with badasses from Long Island or Southie. These Toronto supporters are the Ladies Auxiliary by comparison.

The Gallery Gods and Blue Seats had their place. And when the time came, they were all euthanized. It’s a snap of the fingers. You raise ticket prices and/or remodel/rebuild the arenas, and they can’t afford to come. Everyone moans and bitches (it was bad in New York, they put boxes in where the Blue Seats were in the late eighties, the tabloids caterwauled about it for months).

Because the truth is, we don’t like those groups. Sure, some of those people are decent enough, but there’s always a few people who will use the mob to cause security problems at games, and other people, who are sitting in better seats, see that and don’t come back.

This city has thousands of docile Leaf, Raptor and TFC fans, who come and go, but mostly, they’ll pay what we tell them to pay. So I’ll pay some lip service to these "supporters" who think they're so special, but if they take a hike, cry me a river. I've got infinite demand for the cheap seats anyway, it's the more expensive seats that are giving me a headache anyway.

greekasm
08-31-2019, 12:07 PM
Here are the prices for 111 since Day One:


Year

Matches
Price per Membership
Price per Game
Price per Game Increase


2007

17
$249
$14.65



2008

17
$272

$16.00
9%


2009
18
$326
$18.11
13%


2010
18
$367
$20.39
13%


2011
22
$485
$22.05
8%


2012
19
$399
$21.00
-5%


2013
19
$228
$12.00
-43%


2014

19
$228
$12.00
0%


2015

19
$228
$12.00
0%


2016
19
$323
$17.00
42%


2017
19
$361
$19.00
12%


2018
20
$430
$21.50
13%


2019
20
$462
$23.10
7%


2020
20
$510
$25.50
10%



A 10% increase is certainly not justified.

Carter
08-31-2019, 12:23 PM
Here are the prices for 111 since Day One:


Year

Matches
Price per Membership
Price per Game
Price per Game Increase


2007

17
$249
$14.65



2008

17
$272

$16.00
9%


2009
18
$326
$18.11
13%


2010
18
$367
$20.39
13%


2011
22
$485
$22.05
8%


2012
19
$399
$21.00
-5%


2013
19
$228
$12.00
-43%


2014

19
$228
$12.00
0%


2015

19
$228
$12.00
0%


2016
19
$323
$17.00
42%


2017
19
$361
$19.00
12%


2018
20
$430
$21.50
13%


2019
20
$462
$23.10
7%


2020
20
$510
$25.50
10%



A 10% increase is certainly not justified.

The $2.40 a game isn’t justified? Costs increase in running a stadium, repair and maintenance, property taxes, staffing, security, safety.

Please.

justification is in the eye of the beholder. The justification you are seeking is a winning team, increase in prices aren’t dependant on that factor. Inflation and other costs listed above are just a few of the factors taken into account in rising ticket prices.

People need to stop looking at it one dimensionally and look at the grand scheme of operating a business.

greekasm
08-31-2019, 12:48 PM
The $2.40 a game isn’t justified? Costs increase in running a stadium, repair and maintenance, property taxes, staffing, security, safety.



Year over year costs did not increase 10% this year. The rate of inflation is currently around 2%. There are a million other factors going into establishing the price of membership, but please let's not blame rising costs to justify the increase.

Bobo
08-31-2019, 01:04 PM
I'll be renewing, as I always have. Excited to see how many more casuals will be sitting in 113 next season.

One day (hopefully a long, long time from now) when I'm close to kicking the bucket, I plan to tally up how many college tuitions I'd have given this company.


I think it depends on Toronto's participation in the 2026 World Cup. Stadiums would have to seat 40,000, so the idea was to expand the stadium, including the south end, and then making the south end general admission to better group the supporters - and then everybody else can be in the side or corners of the south end. It would greatly improve the atmosphere. Manning gets that, but I think again it has more to do with expansion and the World Cup than anything near future. Unfortunately I don't think anything will happen with this project in the near future, and I don't see Manning sticking around much longer.

The club desperately needs to do something to help get the south back in order. Would the SGs control the tickets in that scenario, though? I wonder where would that leave those, like myself, who have never been a paying SG member but still contribute to the atmosphere.

greekasm
08-31-2019, 01:12 PM
One day (hopefully a long, long time from now) when I'm close to kicking the bucket, I plan to tally up how many college tuitions I'd have given this company.


This made my day.

One day (hopefully a long, long time from now) when I'm close to kicking the bucket, I plan to tally up how much beer I've drank at BMO.

TFC07
08-31-2019, 01:29 PM
They keep increasing the prices while reducing benefits/perks of being SSH. Plus, this team has underperformed in the last 2 years. So I don't understand how they can increase ticket prices.

The only reason why I am renewing because I have close to $400 credit by selling my tickets this year. However, I opt out for playoff tickets this year.

Carter
08-31-2019, 03:56 PM
Year over year costs did not increase 10% this year. The rate of inflation is currently around 2%. There are a million other factors going into establishing the price of membership, but please let's not blame rising costs to justify the increase.

Year over year costs may not have rose 10%, but is it possible they are still trying to climb out of a hole that they buried themselves in 2012 - 2015 era when EVERY SSH were rolled back to year one pricing or lower (as per your of values)

There was 1.5% commercial tax rate increase last year, and projecting a 2.2% increase in 2020, inflation was rough increase of 1.8% so to use round numbers, we will say 3% in costs just right there, repayment of municipal and Provinical loans (to build and renovate), staffing (yeah people get raises), policing costs (they aren’t their for free), repair and maintenance on the facility.

The increase in my opinion is justified, I benefited greatly during rollback years and have no issue paying my fair share.

If you draw a straight line of per game cost, your tickets have increased 11 dollars over 14 years, that’s less than a dollar a year.

Save 2.50 a day for 20 days and you’ve covered your “increase per game”, 90% of people spend more than that on coffee per day..

OTDude82
08-31-2019, 09:55 PM
My tickets in lower 110 went up exactly 10%. Yes this is a large increases. In total about 45-50% since the price drop in 2013. So my tickets are now $888 from $808 per seat last year. While the increase is significant, I like to look at the overall value. At about $45 per ticket, its a great night out - win or lose. My 2 large beers with tip are almost as much as the ticket itself. In comparison, going to a Leaf game, which can be pretty dire, especially on Wednesday nights (too many suits) is $150+ then add drinks. For me TFC it is still excellent value and I look forward to next year.

annie
09-04-2019, 09:56 AM
So I've actually emailed my account rep on this digital ticket question last week but I haven't heard back yet.

This is the excerpt from our invoice:

"Beginning in the 2020 season, tickets will be issued in the form of "mobile tickets" which can be displayed on a mobiledevice using (i) the TFC app, (ii) TFC Account Manager, or (iii) a phone's Apple/Android wallet.No paper tickets will be issued except on an exception basis as determined by MLSE."

There isn't any criteria listed for when they will allow an exception but I'll post something once they respond.

My issue is not that I don't have a smart phone - I do - my issue is that the organization I currently work for (and who provides and pays for my phone) took on a confidential project for the Federal Government and anyone working on this project was required to delete all non essential apps for security reasons and when I got my phone back from IT the TFC app had been deleted and its now locked so I can no longer add any apps . I'm hoping to project will be completed before next season but I don't know and I don't want to renew and find out that I'll need to go buy another phone/plan just to go to the TFC matches as I'm already paying a fair bit for my tickets. My renewal this year for 2 tickets is $3400 (including taxes) and last year was $3,068 so about an 11% increase. (I've been a season seat holder since the beginning)

As for the digital tickets being a "green" initiative it's sort of true but I don't really buy that it makes a significant difference. In the overall season ticket holder package the green savings for the physical tickets would account for very little of the overall package i.e. they're still sending us a package (courier service, gas, packaging), there's still a scarf (dyes, processing of yarn, manufacturing) and probably still some fancy book with high end paper and colour printing that most of us just throw out anyway. If they were really committed to green initiatives they would eliminate all of it and go completely digital.
The reality is its saving them money on print costs for the tickets which means they're directly pocketing more of the money we're giving them (which is more than last year)....but I have been told I'm overly cynical :)




Hmm.....not sure how this plays out but what about people with dexterity or visual impairments? Accommodations would have to be made certainly.

Worth somebody asking Manning directly about old geezers without cell phones.

Auzzy
09-04-2019, 10:26 AM
My renewal this year for 2 tickets is $3400 (including taxes) and last year was $3,068 so about an 11% increase. (I've been a season seat holder since the beginning)



Holy crap, 11% on top of $3,068 for 2 tickets, wow sorry! What section is this?

Wagner
09-04-2019, 10:31 AM
So I've actually emailed my account rep on this digital ticket question last week but I haven't heard back yet.

This is the excerpt from our invoice:

"Beginning in the 2020 season, tickets will be issued in the form of "mobile tickets" which can be displayed on a mobiledevice using (i) the TFC app, (ii) TFC Account Manager, or (iii) a phone's Apple/Android wallet.No paper tickets will be issued except on an exception basis as determined by MLSE."

There isn't any criteria listed for when they will allow an exception but I'll post something once they respond.

My issue is not that I don't have a smart phone - I do - my issue is that the organization I currently work for (and who provides and pays for my phone) took on a confidential project for the Federal Government and anyone working on this project was required to delete all non essential apps for security reasons and when I got my phone back from IT the TFC app had been deleted and its now locked so I can no longer add any apps . I'm hoping to project will be completed before next season but I don't know and I don't want to renew and find out that I'll need to go buy another phone/plan just to go to the TFC matches as I'm already paying a fair bit for my tickets. My renewal this year for 2 tickets is $3400 (including taxes) and last year was $3,068 so about an 11% increase. (I've been a season seat holder since the beginning)

As for the digital tickets being a "green" initiative it's sort of true but I don't really buy that it makes a significant difference. In the overall season ticket holder package the green savings for the physical tickets would account for very little of the overall package i.e. they're still sending us a package (courier service, gas, packaging), there's still a scarf (dyes, processing of yarn, manufacturing) and probably still some fancy book with high end paper and colour printing that most of us just throw out anyway. If they were really committed to green initiatives they would eliminate all of it and go completely digital.
The reality is its saving them money on print costs for the tickets which means they're directly pocketing more of the money we're giving them (which is more than last year)....but I have been told I'm overly cynical :)

They are doing this to destroy the secondary market (StubHub)

I wish they were just up front about it.

Auzzy
09-04-2019, 12:02 PM
They are doing this to take over the scalping market (StubHub -> Ticketmaster "Verified Resale Ticket")

I wish they were just up front about it.

FYP

Argh...

annie
09-04-2019, 12:26 PM
If they are then maybe the 6 seats beside ours will actually be occasionally occupied - they are owned by a SSH but are basically occupied about 3 games a season - we suspect he's a scalper who doesn't often get takers for the seats due to the price.

benito
09-04-2019, 12:47 PM
They are doing this to destroy the secondary market (StubHub)

I wish they were just up front about it.

I think the secondary market will still exist selling through Ticketmaster's TicketNow. I've sold three games using it this season and it was very easy to use.

SirBobSaget
09-04-2019, 12:57 PM
I think the secondary market will still exist selling through Ticketmaster's TicketNow. I've sold three games using it this season and it was very easy to use.

Ticketsnow is the 'official' re-seller for TFC. Our Account portal is hosted by TicketMaster and when selling tickets from there it sends them to TicketsNow.

So would not be surprised if TicketMaster is encouraging organizations they have a relationship with to make changes that wil keep the resale tickets away from StubHub and onto TicketsNow instead.

noxx98
09-04-2019, 01:04 PM
Ticketsnow is the 'official' re-seller for TFC. Our Account portal is hosted by TicketMaster and when selling tickets from there it sends them to TicketsNow.

So would not be surprised if TicketMaster is encouraging organizations they have a relationship with to make changes that wil keep the resale tickets away from StubHub and onto TicketsNow instead.
A few years ago it came out that the Jays were getting a kickback from Stubhub for sales through their platform. The Jays integrated their season ticket holder platform with Stubhub so season ticket holders were able to easily upload their seats onto the platform (similar to TFC and TicketsNow). I wouldn't be surprised if there's a similar arrangement with Ticketmaster and MLSE.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/tickets-scalping-blue-jays-1.4597286

magmadragon
09-04-2019, 03:37 PM
i.e. they're still sending us a package (courier service, gas, packaging)

I expect no such package to be honest. They will probably tell us to pick up the scarf at the stadium or something like that.


Ticketsnow is the 'official' re-seller for TFC. Our Account portal is hosted by TicketMaster and when selling tickets from there it sends them to TicketsNow.

So would not be surprised if TicketMaster is encouraging organizations they have a relationship with to make changes that wil keep the resale tickets away from StubHub and onto TicketsNow instead.

I had to sell a concert ticket a while back. First time using Ticketmaster for the listing. But between the fee TM charges me the seller and the fee they charge the subsequent buyer, they basically take a total 30% fee. Don't remember the exact split but it was something like 17/13. By getting rid of paper they might finally take it to the dozen scalpers who work every damn thing in this city. Seriously it's the same jackasses at every event. TM wants their cut.

stevep
09-04-2019, 04:11 PM
I expect no such package to be honest. They will probably tell us to pick up the scarf at the stadium or something like that.



I had to sell a concert ticket a while back. First time using Ticketmaster for the listing. But between the fee TM charges me the seller and the fee they charge the subsequent buyer, they basically take a total 30% fee. Don't remember the exact split but it was something like 17/13. By getting rid of paper they might finally take it to the dozen scalpers who work every damn thing in this city. Seriously it's the same jackasses at every event. TM wants their cut.

Can't you transfer/email tickets to someone at no cost through tfc website?

annie
09-04-2019, 06:15 PM
Had a really good chat with my account rep today...full mobile tickets is the way they are going but they won't lose SSH's because they don't have access to a mobile device...they are working on alternatives but essentially don't know what that looks like yet (and it may not be overly convenient for us)... my advice to anyone who may need an alternative to mobile ticketing is to call your account rep, explain your situation and discuss with them, my account rep was very helpful ... in any event even at $3400 for my 2 tickets I will be renewing.


So I've actually emailed my account rep on this digital ticket question last week but I haven't heard back yet.

This is the excerpt from our invoice:

"Beginning in the 2020 season, tickets will be issued in the form of "mobile tickets" which can be displayed on a mobiledevice using (i) the TFC app, (ii) TFC Account Manager, or (iii) a phone's Apple/Android wallet.No paper tickets will be issued except on an exception basis as determined by MLSE."

There isn't any criteria listed for when they will allow an exception but I'll post something once they respond.

My issue is not that I don't have a smart phone - I do - my issue is that the organization I currently work for (and who provides and pays for my phone) took on a confidential project for the Federal Government and anyone working on this project was required to delete all non essential apps for security reasons and when I got my phone back from IT the TFC app had been deleted and its now locked so I can no longer add any apps . I'm hoping to project will be completed before next season but I don't know and I don't want to renew and find out that I'll need to go buy another phone/plan just to go to the TFC matches as I'm already paying a fair bit for my tickets. My renewal this year for 2 tickets is $3400 (including taxes) and last year was $3,068 so about an 11% increase. (I've been a season seat holder since the beginning)

As for the digital tickets being a "green" initiative it's sort of true but I don't really buy that it makes a significant difference. In the overall season ticket holder package the green savings for the physical tickets would account for very little of the overall package i.e. they're still sending us a package (courier service, gas, packaging), there's still a scarf (dyes, processing of yarn, manufacturing) and probably still some fancy book with high end paper and colour printing that most of us just throw out anyway. If they were really committed to green initiatives they would eliminate all of it and go completely digital.
The reality is its saving them money on print costs for the tickets which means they're directly pocketing more of the money we're giving them (which is more than last year)....but I have been told I'm overly cynical :)

Alderete
09-10-2019, 08:02 PM
Till the year I die

eustacchio
09-11-2019, 08:42 AM
They are doing this to destroy the secondary market (StubHub)

I wish they were just up front about it.

If I can download it to a wallet, I can upload it to Stubhub.

Ticketmaster was caught with an entire secondary market platform - TradeDesk - a year ago https://www.thestar.com/news/investigations/2018/09/19/we-went-undercover-as-ticket-scalpers-and-ticketmaster-offered-to-help-us-do-business.html.

eustacchio
09-11-2019, 08:47 AM
So I've actually emailed my account rep on this digital ticket question last week but I haven't heard back yet.

This is the excerpt from our invoice:

"Beginning in the 2020 season, tickets will be issued in the form of "mobile tickets" which can be displayed on a mobiledevice using (i) the TFC app, (ii) TFC Account Manager, or (iii) a phone's Apple/Android wallet.No paper tickets will be issued except on an exception basis as determined by MLSE."

There isn't any criteria listed for when they will allow an exception but I'll post something once they respond.

My issue is not that I don't have a smart phone - I do - my issue is that the organization I currently work for (and who provides and pays for my phone) took on a confidential project for the Federal Government and anyone working on this project was required to delete all non essential apps for security reasons and when I got my phone back from IT the TFC app had been deleted and its now locked so I can no longer add any apps . I'm hoping to project will be completed before next season but I don't know and I don't want to renew and find out that I'll need to go buy another phone/plan just to go to the TFC matches as I'm already paying a fair bit for my tickets. My renewal this year for 2 tickets is $3400 (including taxes) and last year was $3,068 so about an 11% increase. (I've been a season seat holder since the beginning)

As for the digital tickets being a "green" initiative it's sort of true but I don't really buy that it makes a significant difference. In the overall season ticket holder package the green savings for the physical tickets would account for very little of the overall package i.e. they're still sending us a package (courier service, gas, packaging), there's still a scarf (dyes, processing of yarn, manufacturing) and probably still some fancy book with high end paper and colour printing that most of us just throw out anyway. If they were really committed to green initiatives they would eliminate all of it and go completely digital.
The reality is its saving them money on print costs for the tickets which means they're directly pocketing more of the money we're giving them (which is more than last year)....but I have been told I'm overly cynical :)

That's the part that kills me when there are taglines like "think about the environment before printing these tickets". As if the carbon footprint of the travelling team alone, never mind all of the people coming to the game, the wasted food, the thrown out recyables, etc aren't the bigger issues. I've been struggling a bit with this - I work in ticketing - I go to a lot of events - I am not doing the environment any favours.

It's like when a band like U2 (as an example) speaks out about environmental issue but then tours a massive arena stage show around the world for two years.

glaze
09-11-2019, 03:51 PM
StubHub just asks you to transfer direct from you TM account. Though eventually people may question why they are paying a fee buyer and seller to do a direct email transfer. When buying I prefer the direct tm transfer, as you know the tix are legit.
Now, you're neighborhood scalper will be out of luck. Personally, i feel a few of our most recognizable scalpers have become a part of the game day experience. Events wont feel the same without them.

pfk
09-11-2019, 04:30 PM
I expect no such package to be honest. They will probably tell us to pick up the scarf at the stadium or something like that.

I had to sell a concert ticket a while back. First time using Ticketmaster for the listing. But between the fee TM charges me the seller and the fee they charge the subsequent buyer, they basically take a total 30% fee. Don't remember the exact split but it was something like 17/13. By getting rid of paper they might finally take it to the dozen scalpers who work every damn thing in this city. Seriously it's the same jackasses at every event. TM wants their cut.

Next year they may send us yarn and a few knitting needles and tell us to make it ourselves.

I've seen the same scalpers too at different sporting events. Although, online scalping seems to be much more prevalent than the scalpers outside the arenas.

Eastend
09-11-2019, 07:40 PM
I will renew and like the mobile entry...BUT...downloading to my android wallet is gone as an option on my app. I've deleted and reinstalled it, got a new phone (not just for the app) and still can't download to my wallet. Plus as mentioned, lots of people do not have a smartphone.

How about adding the tickets to the SSH card? Have a seat per card.

Dom

FreekAce
09-12-2019, 02:18 PM
I will renew and like the mobile entry...BUT...downloading to my android wallet is gone as an option on my app. I've deleted and reinstalled it, got a new phone (not just for the app) and still can't download to my wallet. Plus as mentioned, lots of people do not have a smartphone.

How about adding the tickets to the SSH card? Have a seat per card.

Dom

This is what they do at clubs in Holland. My brother had Feyenoord seasons for a couple of years, and they issued a photo ID from the club that you would scan for entry.
Not sure how, or if, they can resell them with those cards or not, (I used one that belonged to a friend that looked nothing like me) but its pretty damn convenient.

TFC1986
09-25-2019, 08:42 AM
Anyone know if for the renewal process it's automatic or not. I called in and was told no action required on my end. Which makes me feel nervous

SPALE
09-25-2019, 08:47 AM
Anyone know if for the renewal process it's automatic or not. I called in and was told no action required on my end. Which makes me feel nervous

Should be automatic. I think it defaults to the same payment plan you had set up the year before. Unless you call you’re rep to change it. But it should be automatic

Oldtimer
09-25-2019, 09:09 AM
Anyone know if for the renewal process it's automatic or not. I called in and was told no action required on my end. Which makes me feel nervous

Check in your online account. There should be a 2020 membership statement under "Manage Invoices." If it's there you're ok. Click on it to make sure it's using whatever payment method you prefer (most prefer installments).

nfitz
09-25-2019, 12:01 PM
They've started selling new season tickets - with new pricing. Some big changes from last year in the upper east stands. They've collapsed the old six upper white/black/light grey/medium grey/dark grey/light red zones into just light, medium, and dark grey. And also frozen and in some cases significantly reduced prices. Some of the black seating last season started at $837 is now going for $535 (as upper light grey). Meanwhile upper dark grey (even on the west) is down from $1,315 to $1,150 and upper medium grey is down from $889 to $832 (with some of last year's white at $1,029 now being $832 medium grey). https://www.torontofc.ca/new-business-membership#pricing

$535 for a brand new season ticket in upper light grey is by far the cheapest pricing for new tickets I've seen, since 2015 when some $361 upper light greys quickly sold out (black also sold out at $646 ... and much of that seating is now $535 as light-grey!).

Prices in the lower bowl are certainly up.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFUyuLRW4AA3hH7?format=jpg&name=large

TFC1986
09-25-2019, 12:10 PM
Thanks Spale and Old timer.
I feel better knowing that now

MightyDM
09-25-2019, 01:32 PM
They've started selling new season tickets - with new pricing. Some big changes from last year in the upper east stands. They've collapsed the old six upper white/black/light grey/medium grey/dark grey/light red zones into just light, medium, and dark grey. And also frozen and in some cases significantly reduced prices. Some of the black seating last season started at $837 is now going for $535 (as upper light grey). Meanwhile upper dark grey (even on the west) is down from $1,315 to $1,150 and upper medium grey is down from $889 to $832 (with some of last year's white at $1,029 now being $832 medium grey). https://www.torontofc.ca/new-business-membership#pricing

$535 for a brand new season ticket in upper light grey is by far the cheapest pricing for new tickets I've seen, since 2015 when some $361 upper light greys quickly sold out (black also sold out at $646 ... and much of that seating is now $535 as light-grey!).

Prices in the lower bowl are certainly up.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFUyuLRW4AA3hH7?format=jpg&name=large

Interesting. I am upper light grey and don’t get much of a discount from these prices. About $2 / ticket a game. Day one season holder no interruption.

benito
09-25-2019, 09:12 PM
The difference in lower to upper bowl is quite significant. The difference in Medium gray is almost double!

NOMOTFCBSFROMFO
09-25-2019, 09:47 PM
......

NOMOTFCBSFROMFO
09-25-2019, 09:58 PM
Will not be renewing, Spent 9 long years supporting this club when they were absolute crap. Finally got smart and signed quality and won MLS cup, Insulting Giovinco with contract offer was enough for me. The guy turned this team from league laughing stocks to something that was quite enjoyable to watch. Wonder what Bill Manning is thinking now that he has lost three home dates (this years playoff and probably two CCL dates) Why would he not just give Giovinco a few more million a year.

magmadragon
09-25-2019, 10:28 PM
Well at least now our season seats will cost a little less next year ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Let's see how little ML$E attributes to the now "refunded" CCL game.

I suppose the other possibility is us starting a round earlier in next years Voyageurs Cup for 3 games. But who knows what format the CSA will use next year.

Cas87
09-26-2019, 08:42 AM
Well at least now our season seats will cost a little less next year ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Let's see how little ML$E attributes to the now "refunded" CCL game.

I suppose the other possibility is us starting a round earlier in next years Voyageurs Cup for 3 games. But who knows what format the CSA will use next year.

It'll probably be used on the first 'Leagues Cup' game we may qualify for next year instead.
https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019/08/27/how-mls-teams-could-qualify-2020-concacaf-champions-league -- right at the bottom of the page:

"with Montreal winning the CanChamp, if NYCFC secure the top seed in the East, and Philadelphia eventually win MLS Cup, that would place NYCFC, Atlanta, Philly and Montreal all in the CCL. The next four teams in the East table (currently D.C. United, Toronto FC, the New England Revolution and the Chicago Fire) would be Leagues Cup qualifiers."

Blindside16
09-29-2019, 11:28 PM
It'll probably be used on the first 'Leagues Cup' game we may qualify for next year instead.
https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019/08/27/how-mls-teams-could-qualify-2020-concacaf-champions-league -- right at the bottom of the page:

"with Montreal winning the CanChamp, if NYCFC secure the top seed in the East, and Philadelphia eventually win MLS Cup, that would place NYCFC, Atlanta, Philly and Montreal all in the CCL. The next four teams in the East table (currently D.C. United, Toronto FC, the New England Revolution and the Chicago Fire) would be Leagues Cup qualifiers."

If we finish 6th place or higher we would be playing in the Leagues cup

JoesphNdo
09-30-2019, 08:33 AM
Does anyone know how to pay off your seasons in full? I'm on an instalment plan and I'd rather just pay the whole lot but can't find an option to do it anywhere

Red18andRed23
09-30-2019, 09:42 AM
Call your rep :)

Section_105
09-30-2019, 10:28 AM
Call your rep :)

yup. they're more than happy to get the lump sum and earn interest off it.

Red18andRed23
09-30-2019, 10:50 AM
Oh I'm sure they are haha...I just noticed your name...I am in section 105 too :)

Joe Kool
09-30-2019, 11:31 AM
Does anyone know how to pay off your seasons in full? I'm on an instalment plan and I'd rather just pay the whole lot but can't find an option to do it anywhere

You can do it online with Account Manager. Just bring up your invoice and hit the Pay Now button and you can pay whatever amount you want. I did that recently and paid half my invoice and it adjusted the payments automatically.

stevep
09-30-2019, 11:33 AM
Will not be renewing, Spent 9 long years supporting this club when they were absolute crap. Finally got smart and signed quality and won MLS cup, Insulting Giovinco with contract offer was enough for me. The guy turned this team from league laughing stocks to something that was quite enjoyable to watch. Wonder what Bill Manning is thinking now that he has lost three home dates (this years playoff and probably two CCL dates) Why would he not just give Giovinco a few more million a year.

see my post in the seba threadI did a dollars and cents analysis of it.

Canary10
09-30-2019, 03:56 PM
Not sure where to put this, but the day after we know we are not hosting a playoff game, I got a big charge on my credit card for playoff tickets. And confusingly that charge doesn't even line up to any of the prices they list for any tickets for any round. Wtf?

andyc
09-30-2019, 04:04 PM
I think it was first of the instalment payments for 2020 tickets. First payment was 20% not 10%....

Canary10
09-30-2019, 04:08 PM
I think it was first of the instalment payments for 2020 tickets. First payment was 20% not 10%....

Ed. - oops your are right. Thanks.

TFC1986
09-30-2019, 07:41 PM
I checked mine...and they haven't taken any payment...ughhhh.
I chose lump sum too

nfitz
10-01-2019, 11:52 AM
... the day after we know we are not hosting a playoff game ...If we beat Columbus and DC doesn't beat Cincinnati (which I admit is remote), we still have a chance at 4th place, and get a home playoff game in the first round. Also, as far as I understand it (which I admit is little), there's still chances in the later rounds.

Cas87
10-01-2019, 12:30 PM
If we beat Columbus and DC doesn't beat Cincinnati (which I admit is remote), we still have a chance at 4th place, and get a home playoff game in the first round. Also, as far as I understand it (which I admit is little), there's still chances in the later rounds.

Just to piggy-back on this, seeing the tweets from Wheeler and KJ after the games this past Sunday basically its this simple:

TFC has to win period first, then as long as NYRB and DC don't win in their games apparently we have the first tie-break in our favour to get 4th place.
If TFC draws or losses then it is a moot-point.

Thomas
10-01-2019, 07:18 PM
I have been here from the start, but will not be renewing. My decision doesn’t have much to do with the teams recent performances. I enjoy the social aspect and going to the matches with friends. The atmosphere is good too. I have become far less tolerant of the trip through the tunnel and the trip home. I also don’t like the front end loading of matches during cold weather, with relatively few home matches during prime time. July and August. I will now buy tickets for the matches I want to attend. Still a reds supporter through and through.

ensco
10-01-2019, 09:33 PM
I have been here from the start, but will not be renewing. My decision doesn’t have much to do with the teams recent performances. I enjoy the social aspect and going to the matches with friends. The atmosphere is good too. I have become far less tolerant of the trip through the tunnel and the trip home. I also don’t like the front end loading of matches during cold weather, with relatively few home matches during prime time. July and August. I will now buy tickets for the matches I want to attend. Still a reds supporter through and through.

This is pretty close to what happened to me.

The tunnel is a major, major problem.

Red CB Toronto
10-01-2019, 10:07 PM
This is pretty close to what happened to me.

The tunnel is a major, major problem.

Do you think the number of season tickets sold is actually as high as MLSE says they are ? For instance in the past it put out there it was as high as 25k. I would also love to know what the corporate season ticket base number is beyond those who get tickets as part of bigger partnership deal? I can only imagine the reaction a senior executive Bay St. type would get if they called a client to invite them to a TFC game in March LOL

stevep
10-01-2019, 10:15 PM
The reason I renewed my seats is because I believe so many people will not be renewing they're season seats. This makes my tickets more valuable. Basic supply and demand.
We'll see if I'm right.
BTW if a bunch of our star players play in these stupid international games right before the playoffs it makes the playoffs a joke and takes us all for fools for taking the mls cup seriously. Actually taking the whole season seriously is silly as well.
Take the season games as entertainment by all means but getting all wrapped in the playoffs is silly. Why take is seriously because the players sure don't.

ensco
10-02-2019, 10:26 AM
The reason I renewed my seats is because I believe so many people will not be renewing they're season seats. This makes my tickets more valuable. Basic supply and demand.


OMG. Is this a serious statement? I hope it was massive irony.

ensco
10-02-2019, 10:27 AM
Do you think the number of season tickets sold is actually as high as MLSE says they are ? For instance in the past it put out there it was as high as 25k. I would also love to know what the corporate season ticket base number is beyond those who get tickets as part of bigger partnership deal? I can only imagine the reaction a senior executive Bay St. type would get if they called a client to invite them to a TFC game in March LOL

I think all teams in all sports mislead and lie on these sports. I don't think TFC are worse than others, but yeah, when I looked around at the Montreal second leg, I thought to myself that the true SSH level has to be below 20K.

glaze
10-02-2019, 01:21 PM
I don't see a tunnel solution until the world cup.
MLSE isnt going to pay, its metrolinx/go property, yet the crowding is mostly people using it to go through to liberty.

That said, as condos continue to go up, making it there for a weeknight game has become a huge headache with area traffic. So as an ssh, those are games that are more of a chore than enjoyable, and theyre hardest ones to resell.
Wish we could have more 4 pm games too.
Other than the leafs, i think all teams in this city will fluctuate on season seats. Heck, the Raptors just won the title and i bet season seats are still available.
There are a lot of factors at play
But yeah, if i could prioritize 1 thing on my renewal wish list, it would be the damn tunnel.

kodiakTFC
10-02-2019, 01:52 PM
I don't see a tunnel solution until the world cup.
MLSE isnt going to pay, its metrolinx/go property, yet the crowding is mostly people using it to go through to liberty.

That said, as condos continue to go up, making it there for a weeknight game has become a huge headache with area traffic. So as an ssh, those are games that are more of a chore than enjoyable, and theyre hardest ones to resell.
Wish we could have more 4 pm games too.
Other than the leafs, i think all teams in this city will fluctuate on season seats. Heck, the Raptors just won the title and i bet season seats are still available.
There are a lot of factors at play
But yeah, if i could prioritize 1 thing on my renewal wish list, it would be the damn tunnel.

Liberty has gotten so bad. How on earth are six condos going into that Strachan and Liberty corner ?!

Lastly, Rest In Peace to the free parking on Ordnance Street they I abused for a decade.

nfitz
10-02-2019, 03:36 PM
I don't see a tunnel solution until the world cup. I know that Doug Ford and the Conservatives are delaying a lot of GO projects, but that's 3 years after the current plan - hopefully this gets done on schedule by 2023! http://www.metrolinx.com/en/greaterregion/projects/exhibition-go.aspx

http://www.metrolinx.com/images/greaterregion/projects/exhibition-go/site-plan-large.jpg

JoesphNdo
10-02-2019, 04:07 PM
Unless you're specifically going to Liberty Village you're almost certainly going to be alot quicker taking the Dufferin bridge or going up Strachan if you're going east

Omar
10-03-2019, 12:30 AM
Until I either struggle to pay for season tickets or the club screws over the fans, I'll be renewing my season ticket. I have yet to receive any indication that the people running the football team don't care about TFC.

Fort York Redcoat
10-06-2019, 08:46 AM
The reason I renewed my seats is because I believe so many people will not be renewing they're season seats. This makes my tickets more valuable. Basic supply and demand.
We'll see if I'm right.



OMG. Is this a serious statement? I hope it was massive irony.

Uh uh

Devoid of irony.

After all these pages there's a begrudging remaining STH still.

A loyal customer remains.

Fort York Redcoat
10-06-2019, 08:49 AM
BTW if a bunch of our star players play in these stupid international games right before the playoffs it makes the playoffs a joke and takes us all for fools for taking the mls cup seriously. Actually taking the whole season seriously is silly as well.
Take the season games as entertainment by all means but getting all wrapped in the playoffs is silly. Why take is seriously because the players sure don't.

There's a Canada section to this board if you want to talk Canada or International tourneys.

ensco
10-06-2019, 09:45 AM
Uh uh

Devoid of irony.

After all these pages there's a begrudging remaining STH still.

A loyal customer remains.

I kind of want to make that “statement” about how supply and demand works my signature. It's epic.