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OgtheDim
07-27-2019, 10:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-ROB8kI_fw

Yes, I use it every year...mostly because it reminds me of that goal Seba scored.

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Have at It People

OgtheDim
07-27-2019, 11:00 PM
Columbus went in there and won tonight - not sure that's a good thing for us.

Section_105
07-29-2019, 08:01 AM
is there a pub that our travelling fans frequent in town before games?

pfk
07-29-2019, 08:17 AM
Expect a lot of hacking from the Dirty Bulls.

MightyDM
07-29-2019, 04:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-ROB8kI_fw

Yes, I use it every year...mostly because it reminds me of that goal Seba scored.


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Have at It People

Tom Waits is fantastic. I saw him in 1979 in a movie theatre . Lights went out and immediately all you could see was the glowing end of a cigaret on stage, that turned out to be him - still have no idea how he got there. Incredible concert, best I have ever been to. Half music, half theatre.

Fort York Redcoat
07-29-2019, 06:55 PM
We gotta get this one. NJ is dejected and down. Time to keep em there.

Gazza
07-30-2019, 07:59 AM
For anyone who's been to Red Bull Arena, what is the area like? I'm assuming sketchy. I'm in town for business, so I've decided to stick around until sunday to take in the game. I'll be staying near Newark Penn Station. Any game day events? Pubs within walking distance? Cheers.

noimpactinmtl
07-30-2019, 04:04 PM
For anyone who's been to Red Bull Arena, what is the area like? I'm assuming sketchy. I'm in town for business, so I've decided to stick around until sunday to take in the game. I'll be staying near Newark Penn Station. Any game day events? Pubs within walking distance? Cheers.

It gets sketchier the further away from RBA you get. The area surround the hotel isn't terrible.

Wolves_On_Tour
07-30-2019, 06:29 PM
Anyone know of a group of reds going down this weekend? Got a couple friends who would like to purchase tickets.

Lil'John
07-30-2019, 08:18 PM
THere's a street that runs from Newark Penn Station up towartds the stadium and whgich is full of Portugese and Brazilian bars/restaurants. We went to a number in our TFC shirts pre-game and were received in friendly fashion in all. Between Penn Station and Red Bull Arena is not sketchy. Please shout for me, as I can't make it!

Gazza
07-31-2019, 11:41 AM
It gets sketchier the further away from RBA you get. The area surround the hotel isn't terrible.


THere's a street that runs from Newark Penn Station up towartds the stadium and whgich is full of Portugese and Brazilian bars/restaurants. We went to a number in our TFC shirts pre-game and were received in friendly fashion in all. Between Penn Station and Red Bull Arena is not sketchy. Please shout for me, as I can't make it!

Appreciate the input. Thanks.

noxx98
07-31-2019, 02:47 PM
https://twitter.com/TorontoFCII/status/1156646429957545984

Morgan, Zavaleta, Fraser, Chapman and Akinola are all starting for TFC2 today. I'd wager this means they're likely to have limited involvement vs NYRB.

OgtheDim
07-31-2019, 03:05 PM
https://twitter.com/TorontoFCII/status/1156646429957545984

Morgan, Zavaleta, Fraser, Chapman and Akinola are all starting for TFC2 today. I'd wager this means they're likely to have limited involvement vs NYRB.

And likely to be seeing time in Ottawa.

Akinola on short rest - suspect he is subbed at the half for Perruzza.

James17930
07-31-2019, 06:33 PM
Bunk-Anderson ... best name ever.

Reminds me of this:

https://youtu.be/3rOKE2t0EHA

barticusz
07-31-2019, 08:13 PM
Tfc2 got beat soundly today, 4-1. Doesn’t look good with so many first team players in there.

ag futbol
07-31-2019, 08:42 PM
Tfc2 got beat soundly today, 4-1. Doesn’t look good with so many first team players in there.
No kidding. I think the TFC2 players were better off without the “help”

Blkndkr
08-01-2019, 07:15 AM
If anyone is looking for tickets in the visiting supporter section at Red Bull Arena on Saturday, sadly I have three available and willing sell for $75CDN (purchased for $75USD). Let me know if you’re interested...

Initial B
08-01-2019, 08:49 AM
No kidding. I think the TFC2 players were better off without the “help”
I think this is exactly the reason Vanney sent them down. They just proved that they play down to to the level of their opponent and lack that 'something' that makes them always try to achieve more. It's probably why Schaffelberg is getting first-team starting minutes and they aren't. I'm kind of hoping they play against the Fury next Wednesday because that's the Fury's best chance to win.

Mike_S
08-01-2019, 09:02 AM
^^ I thought the reason they were all sent down is because that is primarily the lineup you will see in the Ottawa away match and Vanney wanted them to have a game together.

notthesun
08-01-2019, 09:18 AM
Shaffelburg is getting first team minutes because he's the only one of those players who had nobody ahead of him on the depth chart in their primary position.

ag futbol
08-01-2019, 12:55 PM
Shaffelburg is getting first team minutes because he's the only one of those players who had nobody ahead of him on the depth chart in their primary position.
Well yes and no. If Vanney really thinks the spot is weak, he drops it from the lineup entirely (like our game with no striker and just Poz up front).

Hypothetically he could be starting both Delgado and Osorio and dropping shaffelburg. The fact he isn’t looks like a vote of confidence to me

Red CB Toronto
08-01-2019, 01:04 PM
Bunk-Anderson ... best name ever.

Reminds me of this:

https://youtu.be/3rOKE2t0EHA


Tfc2 got beat soundly today, 4-1. Doesn’t look good with so many first team players in there.

Games like this where a bunch of first teamers are dropped in are always a bit of mess. There is little or no feel between these two distinct group of players who dont often play together.

notthesun
08-01-2019, 07:08 PM
Well yes and no. If Vanney really thinks the spot is weak, he drops it from the lineup entirely (like our game with no striker and just Poz up front).

Hypothetically he could be starting both Delgado and Osorio and dropping shaffelburg. The fact he isn’t looks like a vote of confidence to me

You're not wrong, Shaffelburg's been good and has earned the minute's he's gotten. I'm just pushing back against the suggestion that he's gotten the opportunity because he has some X-factor or superior desire that our other depth/young guys don't.

We've never been a club that places a particular emphasis on making room for young players. Shaff has gotten his chance both because he was good enough and because there were no other true wingers in the side. All those other guys have had better players in identical roles to compete with.

MightyDM
08-01-2019, 08:43 PM
You're not wrong, Shaffelburg's been good and has earned the minute's he's gotten. I'm just pushing back against the suggestion that he's gotten the opportunity because he has some X-factor or superior desire that our other depth/young guys don't.

We've never been a club that places a particular emphasis on making room for young players. Shaff has gotten his chance both because he was good enough and because there were no other true wingers in the side. All those other guys have had better players in identical roles to compete with.

Fair

dal524
08-02-2019, 12:54 PM
its safe to assume gallardo and benezet will not be available?

OgtheDim
08-02-2019, 01:30 PM
its safe to assume gallardo and benezet will not be available?

Vanney & TFC Pravda indicated earlier this week that Benezet might play a role.

stegosaurus
08-02-2019, 01:34 PM
You're not wrong, Shaffelburg's been good and has earned the minute's he's gotten. I'm just pushing back against the suggestion that he's gotten the opportunity because he has some X-factor or superior desire that our other depth/young guys don't.

We've never been a club that places a particular emphasis on making room for young players. Shaff has gotten his chance both because he was good enough and because there were no other true wingers in the side. All those other guys have had better players in identical roles to compete with.

Right.

When your wingers are Osorio (who was away) and either Morrow or Morgan, then it isn’t hard for Schaffelberg to get minutes considering Vanney’s preferred formations this year.

It’s not like it requires much effort for a young winger to replace a bunch of non-wingers playing on the wing. He just made the most of the minutes he got and earned more starts. Good for him, sure, but you’re right.

ManUtd4ever
08-02-2019, 02:27 PM
What's the hold up with Gallardo?

stegosaurus
08-02-2019, 02:33 PM
What's the hold up with Gallardo?

They got the 26 year old Gallardo by accident, not the 22 year old one they actually wanted.

That or a muscle injury in training.

MightyDM
08-02-2019, 02:41 PM
What's the hold up with Gallardo?

He’s Urruti v2

Canary10
08-02-2019, 02:59 PM
He’s Urruti v2

My guess is we sell him to Vancouver before the transfer window closes.

OgtheDim
08-02-2019, 06:04 PM
I do appreciate the new ways people find to get PTSD when following this team but being wounded by too many "2 weeks" announcements is verging on Atlanta supporter behaviour.

MightyDM
08-02-2019, 06:17 PM
I do appreciate the new ways people find to get PTSD when following this team but being wounded by too many "2 weeks" announcements is verging on Atlanta supporter behaviour.

We’re just having fun. But it is a bit odd that there have been no Gallardo sightings

Tomorrow

Jozy
Shaff Poz Deleon
Delgado Bradley
morrow Mavinga OB Laryea
Q

Ossington Mental Youth
08-02-2019, 07:36 PM
I do appreciate the new ways people find to get PTSD when following this team but being wounded by too many "2 weeks" announcements is verging on Atlanta supporter behaviour.

lololol i think people like having something to whinge about

Areathrasher
08-02-2019, 07:58 PM
We’re just having fun. But it is a bit odd that there have been no Gallardo sightings

Tomorrow

Jozy
Shaff Poz Deleon
Delgado Bradley
morrow Mavinga OB Laryea
Q

By no sightings do you mean in game squads or just in general? Cos he's been all over the instagram training pictures

Red CB Toronto
08-02-2019, 08:38 PM
lololol i think people like having something to whinge about


By no sightings do you mean in game squads or just in general? Cos he's been all over the instagram training pictures

Thursday was his first full practice session with the Reds after picking up a knock that he got in training upon his arrival. Here is a quote from Greg about it. "(Thursday) was his first full session. He looks good. I don’t know how much of a role he’ll play this weekend, we’ll have to see - but between now and next week, he’s going to be up and running and playing some games." #TFClive (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TFClive?src=hash)https://abs.twimg.com/hashflags/MLS_19_TFC/MLS_19_TFC.png (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TFClive?src=hash) coach Greg Vanney on Erickson Gallardo #MLS (https://twitter.com/hashtag/MLS?src=hash)

He certainly been around , have seen him at all the games. Hopefully he sees some action tomorrow night, if not fully expect him to in Ottawa.

https://scontent.fybz2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67082639_10220120712867782_5942088963412983808_n.j pg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_oc=AQkli1PU-44FWVeP_k9dbtJOnrwFkLcADxWt_zuKexneULgfg4eJTinpFHm 0TPRHaD4&_nc_ht=scontent.fybz2-2.fna&oh=c6f3dcec8288ef2d4bda8da449f1de7d&oe=5DE62B0C

MightyDM
08-02-2019, 09:36 PM
By no sightings do you mean in game squads or just in general? Cos he's been all over the instagram training pictures

Ah. Well, then carry on. Am not on Instagram. But I did mean on the field.

SPALE
08-03-2019, 09:29 AM
I seen him at the open practice. But I think he only spent 10 min on the field then was gone I didn’t see him for the rest of the practice.

ManUtd4ever
08-03-2019, 10:22 AM
Thursday was his first full practice session with the Reds after picking up a knock that he got in training upon his arrival. Here is a quote from Greg about it. "(Thursday) was his first full session. He looks good. I don’t know how much of a role he’ll play this weekend, we’ll have to see - but between now and next week, he’s going to be up and running and playing some games." #TFClive (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TFClive?src=hash)https://abs.twimg.com/hashflags/MLS_19_TFC/MLS_19_TFC.png (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TFClive?src=hash) coach Greg Vanney on Erickson Gallardo #MLS (https://twitter.com/hashtag/MLS?src=hash)

He certainly been around , have seen him at all the games. Hopefully he sees some action tomorrow night, if not fully expect him to in Ottawa.

https://scontent.fybz2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67082639_10220120712867782_5942088963412983808_n.j pg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_oc=AQkli1PU-44FWVeP_k9dbtJOnrwFkLcADxWt_zuKexneULgfg4eJTinpFHm 0TPRHaD4&_nc_ht=scontent.fybz2-2.fna&oh=c6f3dcec8288ef2d4bda8da449f1de7d&oe=5DE62B0C

Thank you sir.

Still Kicking
08-03-2019, 04:18 PM
Hello. I am a bit rusty in the ways of television (off of Bell for 3.5 months). Dumb question, my TFC app says that TFC game is on TSN at 6pm, but my Bell guide displays no game? Which TSN is it being broadcast on?

gracos
08-03-2019, 04:24 PM
Hello. I am a bit rusty in the ways of television (off of Bell for 3.5 months). Dumb question, my TFC app says that TFC game is on TSN at 6pm, but my Bell guide displays no game? Which TSN is it being broadcast on?

TSN4

OgtheDim
08-03-2019, 04:26 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBExbCJW4AA80S8?format=jpg&name=small

Mikmacdo
08-03-2019, 04:27 PM
Like the lineup, still no Gallardo even on the bench?

OgtheDim
08-03-2019, 04:27 PM
A little bit concerned about Auro at RB under their press but that's a team that can & will move the ball around quickly which is what we need to do tonight.

daner90
08-03-2019, 04:53 PM
Really strong line up tonight. Hope we get a chance to see what Benezet has tonight as well

Defoe
08-03-2019, 05:00 PM
Really strong line up tonight. Hope we get a chance to see what Benezet has tonight as well

Benezet will probably get in the game maybe the 60 minute mark

69Chevy396
08-03-2019, 05:11 PM
nice to finish the game without the customary injuries when playing these hacks....any youtube streams available?

jloome
08-03-2019, 05:22 PM
Eek. Omar with the lazy outlet pass, almost cost us.

notthesun
08-03-2019, 05:33 PM
That's how you break a press... fuck, one foot offside.

samuraizero
08-03-2019, 05:34 PM
Was that really offside? They didnt show great angles

RealG-TFC
08-03-2019, 05:40 PM
Shaff needs to get past the defender or something. Every cross has been blocked. Pozo chewing him out for not playing it quick to him was deserved.

notthesun
08-03-2019, 05:59 PM
How in the world are we not leading

benito
08-03-2019, 06:01 PM
Lots of opportunities. They have to bury one before the chances dry up.

OgtheDim
08-03-2019, 06:02 PM
Well we are certainly more fun to watch then we've been since CCL 2018. Defence looks solid with Gonzalez & Westberg calling the shots. NYRB has no real pace so there is no reason for Mavinga to play hero ball. Auro hasn't been overthinking & DeLeon is ever present on that side so Royer's press has been negligible. Taking shots just nothing going in yet. Great quick passing going on. Team sets up well against these guys.

Auzzy
08-03-2019, 06:18 PM
I agree, looking good, needs some finish. Let's see if one of the managers does better adjustments at the half.

Mikmacdo
08-03-2019, 06:26 PM
Brutal. Dominating game but losing.

JavierMartini
08-03-2019, 06:27 PM
Sub oso for the love of God let's see the new guy

tfcfans
08-03-2019, 06:28 PM
If we don’t get a point out of this game I will be really upset - they deserve better than this scoreline....I just realized that’s 1000 posts for me....yikes....

OgtheDim
08-03-2019, 06:28 PM
Can't let Kaku get in like that but the rest is Own Goal deflected bad luck.

Team hasn't been passing the ball quick enough this half.


And now a bit of stupidity.

benito
08-03-2019, 06:28 PM
Morrow and Omar got caught. And Oso with the dumb foul in the box. :facepalm:

Mikmacdo
08-03-2019, 06:28 PM
Wtf osorio

Mikmacdo
08-03-2019, 06:29 PM
This team aint making the playoffs. Too many games on the road and they are mentally weak.

gracos
08-03-2019, 06:33 PM
This team aint making the playoffs. Too many games on the road and they are mentally weak.

I could of told you that a long time ago, TFC are just not worthy this year for the playoffs

gracos
08-03-2019, 06:34 PM
Vanney takes off Schaffelburg and not Osorio, i dont get it

Auzzy
08-03-2019, 06:37 PM
Aaarrrrggggghhhhh.

Gonzalez and Mavinga often let themselves get pulled way too far to one side, completely vacating the middle. But that's not the only problem.

69Chevy396
08-03-2019, 06:39 PM
Vanney takes off Schaffelburg and not Osorio, i dont get it
Morrow and Osorio are both raking in the $ based on one good season...Morrow in 2017, Osorio in 2018..and they can thank VV and Seba for making it happen....Osorio has made just one terrific shot on goal all season, in which he scored.

stegosaurus
08-03-2019, 06:41 PM
Big new contract Osorio things.

benito
08-03-2019, 06:43 PM
Red Bulls should have scored 3 goals this half. Lucky that this game is still close.

notthesun
08-03-2019, 06:46 PM
Vanney takes off Schaffelburg and not Osorio, i dont get it

Shaffelburg is a pace merchant who's not going to be as effective now that the Red Bulls are leading and will take less chances offensively.

69Chevy396
08-03-2019, 06:48 PM
Big new contract Osorio things.
I have never liked him, but he did have a remarkable season in 2018, and despite the number of easy tap in goals, he still played much better than ever before...I don’t expect him to get 17 goals again, but his performance in all areas has not been stellar.

gracos
08-03-2019, 06:51 PM
We gave NYRB the win tonight, they didnt earn it. lol, and some people think TFC is a playoff caliber team, i dont get it

kodiakTFC
08-03-2019, 06:52 PM
This should be an interesting off season. I think its time to move Delgado, Osorio, Morrow, Moor, Ciman, and Bono on. Bradley is likely gone as well. May be a whole new team with Altidore, Pozuelo, and Gonzalez at its spine come 2020.

jazzy
08-03-2019, 06:54 PM
Please explain why Vanney pulls his usual and subs a defender for a defender to tie/ win a game , unless he’s injured , enlighten me ( he has to do this , it’s his MO ) .....?

gracos
08-03-2019, 07:00 PM
Fire Vanney please and thank you

benito
08-03-2019, 07:00 PM
Two completely different halves. This feels like a wasted game.

ag futbol
08-03-2019, 07:01 PM
This team aint making the playoffs. Too many games on the road and they are mentally weak.
I don’t know if we can say that about this group. The team has changed a lot since the beginning of the year. But.. I agree, we’re probably not making playoffs based on the remaining schedule. Taking too long to make moves means we threw away too many points along the way.

That’s fine, provided we have a great team and are ready to succeed next year. Hard to tell exactly where we stand at this point however.

Auzzy
08-03-2019, 07:01 PM
Red Bulls should have scored 3 goals this half. Lucky that this game is still close.

Then again TFC should have scored 5 in the first half.

CB for CB sub when we're down by one, WTF? Is Mavinga injured again?

My wife rarely watches footy on TV. Partway through the first half, she asked "why does he never stop talking" about Caldwell. Muted now.

Waiting for the full-time apologists to come out strong after this game. It not today, then tomorrow.

gracos
08-03-2019, 07:02 PM
TFC is not going far in the playoffs if at all

noimpactinmtl
08-03-2019, 07:02 PM
Fire Vanney please and thank you

He didn’t lose the game. DOGSO and Mavinga did.

glaze
08-03-2019, 07:03 PM
Our players are better than this....

gracos
08-03-2019, 07:03 PM
TFC players are all smiles after this game, lol, the players just dont care, leave the field as soon as the whistle blows

69Chevy396
08-03-2019, 07:03 PM
was watering the garden, how did the new guy look?

notthesun
08-03-2019, 07:03 PM
Man, gut punch loss. We'd usually come out of that first half with a 2 goal lead, we were really good... just couldn't score for one reason or another. But we came out so flat in the 2nd half.

I don't know. That's pretty much our best team out there. One great half, one bad half... we just can't put it all together it seems.

Canary10
08-03-2019, 07:04 PM
So throwing away points at home to Houston was still a good idea?

Bushmancan
08-03-2019, 07:05 PM
That was a ridiculously soft red card.

gracos
08-03-2019, 07:05 PM
Vanney is the definition of incompetence

tfcfans
08-03-2019, 07:05 PM
Math is getting bad now - have to win every home game (that Houston Loss is going to haunt us) and get three wins on the road out of Cinci, Chic, Columbus - that gets them to 53 and probably need 50 to get in —— at NE, at NYCFC and at LAFC look to be tough at the moment — and those other games are no sure thing either - do we lose Jozy (and others) for the Sept 7 and 11 games?

I am not seeing another path for us to get in - they need 9 points out of the four August games remaining to have a chance in my opinion.

OgtheDim
08-03-2019, 07:06 PM
Please explain why Vanney pulls his usual and subs a defender for a defender to tie/ win a game , unless he’s injured , enlighten me ( he has to do this , it’s his MO ) .....?


Because Mavinga was injured.

As was DeLeon.


Shaffelberg was gassed.

69Chevy396
08-03-2019, 07:08 PM
Then again TFC should have scored 5 in the first half.

CB for CB sub when we're down by one, WTF? Is Mavinga injured again?

My wife rarely watches footy on TV. Partway through the first half, she asked "why does he never stop talking" about Caldwell. Muted now.

Waiting for the full-time apologists to come out strong after this game. It not today, then tomorrow.
The TSN broadcasters are the very worst I have ever listened to. Babble. Trivia. Amateur hour. No change in tone, inflexion. No sense of drama, build up, tension.....if you close your eyes, you should be able to follow the on field play, but with these two you have no idea what is going on

stegosaurus
08-03-2019, 07:09 PM
Because Mavinga was injured.

As was DeLeon.


Shaffelberg was gassed.

Yep, it was pretty sensible.

stegosaurus
08-03-2019, 07:10 PM
This was not the best game to watch stuck at an airport in China.

James17930
08-03-2019, 07:10 PM
That was a ridiculously soft red card.

I think that's going to get rescinded.

This game ... I don't know. The first half was great, but we didn't put away the chances. We lost the second half. Probably deserved a draw.

I also thought NY just defended really well. There were multiple times when we had some really good passing going, and the only thing stopping us from getting in behind was a last-ditch leg thrown out by a NY player, or a just-in-time tackle.

Honestly, we weren't bad at all. We just weren't good enough. We need more in terms of offense than just Jozy. Maybe Poz needs to player more of a second striker role rather than creator, or something.

69Chevy396
08-03-2019, 07:10 PM
Because Mavinga was injured.

As was DeLeon.


Shaffelberg was gassed.

Sadly, as Mavinga goes, so does the team.

SPALE
08-03-2019, 07:12 PM
was watering the garden, how did the new guy look?

In my opinion he looked good. Off and on the ball. Would love to see what he can do in a full 90 next week

OgtheDim
08-03-2019, 07:15 PM
My issue in the second half was the back 4 + Bradley played the ball way too slow. Either Osorio & Poz & Laryea & Shaff stopped moving or those back 5 regressed to safety first.

When they press, you have to pay the ball quickly. Heck, the 4-3-3 counts on it. The team did that in the first half - they didn't in the second. Ultimately, that & the misses in the first half are why we lost.

SPALE
08-03-2019, 07:16 PM
Math is getting bad now - have to win every home game (that Houston Loss is going to haunt us) and get three wins on the road out of Cinci, Chic, Columbus - that gets them to 53 and probably need 50 to get in —— at NE, at NYCFC and at LAFC look to be tough at the moment — and those other games are no sure thing either - do we lose Jozy (and others) for the Sept 7 and 11 games?

I am not seeing another path for us to get in - they need 9 points out of the four August games remaining to have a chance in my opinion.

That’s if the teams ahead of us don’t shit the bed. If they start dropping points then anything is still a possibility

jazzy
08-03-2019, 07:19 PM
Then again TFC should have scored 5 in the first half.

CB for CB sub when we're down by one, WTF? Is Mavinga injured again?

My wife rarely watches footy on TV. Partway through the first half, she asked "why does he never stop talking" about Caldwell. Muted now.

Waiting for the full-time apologists to come out strong after this game. It not today, then tomorrow.

Caldwell is unbelievable, he so critical of his old team , trying to be fair it’s sad .And she’s right a babbling brook , does no one learn from the best announcers in the premier league that leave space btwn moves then simply name players . And give the viewers credit in having knowledge of the game . Mute is the way . They fire quality people and keep Caldwell ???

noimpactinmtl
08-03-2019, 07:19 PM
Sadly, as Mavinga goes, so does the team.

As far as CBs like Mavinga goes, they’re going to fetch €40 million. Centerhalves that can play out of the back, be quick or commanding in the air are the ones that fetch a high price.

Prof
08-03-2019, 07:21 PM
Red Bulls should have scored 3 goals this half. Lucky that this game is still close.

And TFC should have had 4 goals in the first half.

69Chevy396
08-03-2019, 07:21 PM
In my opinion he looked good. Off and on the ball. Would love to see what he can do in a full 90 next week
well, that is good news at least.....This same team with Giovinco, would be tough to beat... in 2017, we played shit in many games that were won because if his magic....with the parity in this league, it would only take one great forward, to make a difference....playing alongside Altidore and Poz...or, imagine a Carlos Vela on this team ....

khso11
08-03-2019, 07:22 PM
TFC players are all smiles after this game, lol, the players just dont care, leave the field as soon as the whistle blows

Didn’t even acknowledge the away fans, this team knows this season is a joke.

General Woolfe
08-03-2019, 07:25 PM
Another shitshow, and I fear our playoff chances just disappeared tonight. The question is will Ali Curtis & Greg Vanney go with them.

Our failure to replace Giovinco cost us again with an abundance of missed chances. The game should have been killed off by half time. Vanney had no answer to the NYRB shuffle at the break. I can only hope our subs were forced and not strategic. Curtis still hasn’t delivered his promise to replace Seba with anything close to similar. Our signings haven’t improved anything. Gonzalez was to blame for the NYRBs opener, and has a tendency to switch off at crucial times. Although I know it’s his first game in MLS, Benezet was horrific. Why take off Shaffelburg when he was our best player on the night? In fact why are we brining in another left winger, from a second tier French side when Shaffelburg has performed excellently for us? Why bring in another left winger when it is a goalscorer we needed? I take it DeLeon and Mavinga were injured because neither of those subs made sense either. I swear if Vanney says either “felt a little tightness so we decide to be cautious” i’ll scream. We couldnt afford to be cautious tonight, it was a must win game. A chance to leapfrog the NYRB has become a 5 pt deficit. If LAFC take care of NER tonight it might offer temporary hope, but in reality NER are vastly improved under Arena and they’re facing the best team in the league tonight, so the result will be an anomaly not a window of hope.

OgtheDim
08-03-2019, 07:28 PM
That NYRB sub was because of an injury - the difference wasn't a change in style by NYRB. NYRB started out the first half with the press but when they can't, they drop back low - seen it all season. The difference in the second half was TFC didn't play the ball quick enough & thus let them stay in the press. Like him or not, DeLeon did a lot of that dirty work in the first half - his loss was the biggest one.

General Woolfe
08-03-2019, 07:29 PM
In my opinion he looked good. Off and on the ball. Would love to see what he can do in a full 90 next week
Gotta disagree. I know you can’t judge someone on one game but I thought he was horrendous. He couldn’t beat his man and his passing was awful. Shaffelburg is a far better option imo

SPALE
08-03-2019, 07:32 PM
well, that is good news at least.....This same team with Giovinco, would be tough to beat... in 2017, we played shit in many games that were won because if his magic....with the parity in this league, it would only take one great forward, to make a difference....playing alongside Altidore and Poz...or, imagine a Carlos Vela on this team ....

I think in a full 90 those 3 should cause some havoc along side with gallardo but tonight was tough to swallow. Until he came in we spent most of the half in our half. I mean not much changed after but we did at least create some chances of some fast breaks but it looked like Poz and antidote were just gassed by that point to even try and help him. I don’t see Seba in him but a guy that will will draw defenders and extra coverage. For the 20 min he put in. It was solid in my opinion As for Vela along side him in this squad. Well that would just be a dream. But again it’s only 20 min in his first outing but you can see the guy has skill on the ball

General Woolfe
08-03-2019, 07:32 PM
That NYRB sub was because of an injury - the difference wasn't a change in style by NYRB. NYRB started out the first half with the press but when they can't, they drop back low - seen it all season. The difference in the second half was TFC didn't play the ball quick enough & thus let them stay in the press. Like him or not, DeLeon did a lot of that dirty work in the first half - his loss was the biggest one.
Regardless of the reason, Vanney hadn’t a clue how to handle the shift when the second half was all NYRB constantly driving at us

ag futbol
08-03-2019, 07:33 PM
If DeLeon is what turns a game for this team, the team is flawed. He’s not even a starter on a top MLS side (nor should he be for us)

This is a tough fixture. Away game against a top team. This is the issue with the “we’ll get it later” mentality of last season and this one. You start needing to squeeze points out of games that are really hard to get. We lose and it’s excused but then the season hangs in the balance

OgtheDim
08-03-2019, 07:39 PM
If DeLeon is what turns a game for this team, the team is flawed. ....

That flaw is the safety first mentality of one Michael Bradley. You could see Gonzalez wanting to pass the ball to somebody but nobody moved - one of the issues for our midfielders is they know people will just recycle so they don't move around as much as other teams.

I love Bradley but in our setup the DM has to move the ball forward quickly, and that is just not happening.

SPALE
08-03-2019, 07:43 PM
Gotta disagree. I know you can’t judge someone on one game but I thought he was horrendous. He couldn’t beat his man and his passing was awful. Shaffelburg is a far better option imo

I think shaff still need work He had one solid chance that I can’t take away from him. But he’s way too soft on he ball and if he didn’t have the speed he has. He would be useless right now. I think the kid is great and going to be great for TFC but still soft. He can only beat players with speed not skill. But that’s okay with a wing player. I don’t think Nico is the saviour for this team I just felt in the 20-25min he gave it was solid. Again I think shaff has a great future ahead of him here. But he can’t play a one two touch or even make the right decision in tight spots. Chip crosses are not going to get you many assists solid hard balls across the box will. Shots will. Shaff at this point should be coming in for the final 49 and killing tired back lines. Just my two Anyway. Shit loss hard to swallow I’m still pissed. Lol

ag futbol
08-03-2019, 07:45 PM
You can’t blame Bradley for that in isolation. The team is fielding (and continues to recruit) a bunch of technically sound but diminutive and unathletic runts who have trouble carrying weight defensively. Bradley is trying to counterbalance that but doesn’t have the range he used to.

MightyDM
08-03-2019, 08:06 PM
Man, gut punch loss. We'd usually come out of that first half with a 2 goal lead, we were really good... just couldn't score for one reason or another. But we came out so flat in the 2nd half.

I don't know. That's pretty much our best team out there. One great half, one bad half... we just can't put it all together it seems.

One place the team and Vanney both need to improve is the start of the second half. It’s often flat. Could only watch bits and pieces tonight, so can’t comment too much. We sure looked good in the first half. Was Jozy really offside? Didn’t look possible from the angle they showed given where he had to have been when the ball was kicked but the angle wasn’t very good

portu
08-03-2019, 08:32 PM
I will maintain, and repeat, that the players are good enough even before the signings. That is all. If we're not winning it's not them. This many players don't just turn to shit or stop putting up results.

69Chevy396
08-03-2019, 09:02 PM
I will maintain, and repeat, that the players are good enough even before the signings. That is all. If we're not winning it's not them. This many players don't just turn to shit or stop putting up results.
You are correct. However, if we were to add one star forward to this team, it would be a contender...improving the midfield and defence helps, for sure, but not in the way a proven goal scorer does for a team. LAFC right now, is an avg team, with 3 outstanding players, and they will make the difference in the end. They will likely surpass all of TFCs 2017 records (and Atlanta’s too), and Vela will have a year that even Seba couldn’t match....

MightyDM
08-03-2019, 09:10 PM
I will maintain, and repeat, that the players are good enough even before the signings. That is all. If we're not winning it's not them. This many players don't just turn to shit or stop putting up results.

I thought we have been unbalanced since Seba left - at least until Schaff and Endoh were promoted to the first team. And our defense has been incredibly porous. But there have been good stretches of play - like what I was able to see in the first half - followed by schoolboy breakdowns. Not sure this is coaching. My bigger concern about coaching has been selections for certain games - Panama and Houston come to mind - and how we come out in the second half. I am not in the Vanney out camp but I think he will be on thin ice unless the talent we have is able to express itself.

Auzzy
08-03-2019, 09:31 PM
Holy shit is Mavinga really injured again; also now Deleon?!?!

I would REALLY REALLY like to hear something about that amazing sports science company they supposedly hired for this year...

stevep
08-03-2019, 09:49 PM
This was not the best game to watch stuck at an airport in China.

Wtf you doing in China

Oldtimer
08-03-2019, 10:11 PM
This was not the best game to watch stuck at an airport in China.

It could have been worse, you could have been stuck watching a CSL match.

MightyDM
08-03-2019, 10:23 PM
Holy shit is Mavinga really injured again; also now Deleon?!?!

I would REALLY REALLY like to hear something about that amazing sports science company they supposedly hired for this year...

I said this in another thread but a high level soccer trainer I met - doing his PhD, no slouch - says that TFC over trains and doesn’t use modern techniques. He was very careful - he said “the whole league is too American in their training methods” but that’s what he meant. He may be wrong but it’s an interesting perspective. .

stevep
08-03-2019, 11:17 PM
well, that is good news at least.....This same team with Giovinco, would be tough to beat... in 2017, we played shit in many games that were won because if his magic....with the parity in this league, it would only take one great forward, to make a difference....playing alongside Altidore and Poz...or,

imagine a Carlos Vela on this team ....


no Giovinco no trophies


period, people on this board do not seem to get this, all are wasting they're breathe discussing this team
they may be entertaining without gio but definately no trophies

stevep
08-03-2019, 11:26 PM
no Giovinco no trophies


period, people on this board do not seem to get this, all are wasting they're breathe discussing this team
they may be entertaining without gio but definately no trophies

i fully expect the odds to come out monday wtih tfc probability of winning mls cup this year at around 2%
oh and btw was jozy offside??

Auzzy
08-03-2019, 11:40 PM
I said this in another thread but a high level soccer trainer I met - doing his PhD, no slouch - says that TFC over trains and doesn’t use modern techniques. He was very careful - he said “the whole league is too American in their training methods” but that’s what he meant. He may be wrong but it’s an interesting perspective. .

Yeah I read your other post as well, very interesting.

But I'm still amazed, after last year's injury-riddled season, and the promise of more careful load management based on the latest science, that this topic of sports science is never raised with the team, by journalists or anyone else.

stevep
08-04-2019, 12:52 AM
Didn’t even acknowledge the away fans, this team knows this season is a joke.

Sadly a of of people will not renew season seats next year.

Brooker
08-04-2019, 03:14 AM
Well.... I guess we're going the f*ck home then.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SpihGKmYgY

MightyDM
08-04-2019, 05:47 AM
Yeah I read your other post as well, very interesting.

But I'm still amazed, after last year's injury-riddled season, and the promise of more careful load management based on the latest science, that this topic of sports science is never raised with the team, by journalists or anyone else.

Me too. It’s a question that needs to be asked. And answered.

OgtheDim
08-04-2019, 06:55 AM
I said this in another thread but a high level soccer trainer I met - doing his PhD, no slouch - says that TFC over trains and doesn’t use modern techniques. He was very careful - he said “the whole league is too American in their training methods” but that’s what he meant. He may be wrong but it’s an interesting perspective. .


Not completely sold on that as the high performance guy they brought in from Leicester a few years ago, Tom Williams, is very much NOT into the overtraining thing and regularly is seeking out new approaches. Vanney and others talk about guys on recovery all the time. Its why they remark when guys are "back to full training".

I can see there being differences of opinion when it comes to how people do "at full training" though.

stegosaurus
08-04-2019, 07:02 AM
It could have been worse, you could have been stuck watching a CSL match.

Thanks, my memory of this game has now been replaced by one where we win 6-2 with a Telfer brace!

stegosaurus
08-04-2019, 07:05 AM
Wtf you doing in China

The obvious answer is that I’m on a mission to discover how to rig games in favour of us winning rather than losing ;)

MightyDM
08-04-2019, 08:41 AM
Not completely sold on that as the high performance guy they brought in from Leicester a few years ago, Tom Williams, is very much NOT into the overtraining thing and regularly is seeking out new approaches. Vanney and others talk about guys on recovery all the time. Its why they remark when guys are "back to full training".

I can see there being differences of opinion when it comes to how people do "at full training" though.

You have more information than I do. But something is going on.

Fort York Redcoat
08-04-2019, 08:49 AM
Yeah I read your other post as well, very interesting.

But I'm still amazed, after last year's injury-riddled season, and the promise of more careful load management based on the latest science, that this topic of sports science is never raised with the team, by journalists or anyone else.

Not media on camera or live air radio but people podding have mention it a number of times this year.

It's become a Toronto thing to talk about, load mgmt

ag futbol
08-04-2019, 08:52 AM
Not completely sold on that as the high performance guy they brought in from Leicester a few years ago, Tom Williams, is very much NOT into the overtraining thing and regularly is seeking out new approaches. Vanney and others talk about guys on recovery all the time. Its why they remark when guys are "back to full training".

I can see there being differences of opinion when it comes to how people do "at full training" though.
Is he still here though? Do they listen to him?

If I had a dollar for every time an organization paid for sound advice (from someone capable of giving it) but didn’t internalize it i’d be making money than Ronaldo.

Fort York Redcoat
08-04-2019, 08:52 AM
Sadly a of of people will not renew season seats next year.

That began with Seba leaving with casuals.

69Chevy396
08-04-2019, 09:19 AM
That began with Seba leaving with casuals.
Casuals? I was a season ticket holder for roughly 6 seasons. I paid my dues. 2016 and 2017 were an anomaly for this club, and as the saying goes, “doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results...is a sign of..........When Leiwike and Betz left this club, followed by Seba and VV, and others, and the flop signings, misadventures with VDW etc...nothing short of a miracle was going to restore 2017.It is over. What is easier to predict, is 10 years of mediocrity, and I refuse to lay out my hard earned dollars for that. Besides, in the world of sports entertainment, losing fans and revenue remains the only genuine stimulus for a serious rebuild.

gracos
08-04-2019, 01:25 PM
the thing that bugs me is we dont understand every pt is crucial and find out the best way to get the pts, not to put you B team on against Houston, or yesterday come out lazily after halftime, the coach and management should be revaluated and we should see how to make ourselves look like a top tier team, we have the money to improve our club and being alright with an average performance should irk the fanbase

Red CB Toronto
08-04-2019, 04:43 PM
Nice to see Nico make his TFC debut last night, becoming the 214 player to have suited up for the Reds.

https://www.firsttouchonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/RB1.jpg

ManUtd4ever
08-05-2019, 10:04 AM
And TFC should have had 4 goals in the first half.

This. We should have came away with at least a draw, but we didn't bury our chances and Robles was incredible.

Fort York Redcoat
08-05-2019, 12:24 PM
Casuals? I was a season ticket holder for roughly 6 seasons. I paid my dues. 2016 and 2017 were an anomaly for this club, and as the saying goes, “doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results...is a sign of..........When Leiwike and Betz left this club, followed by Seba and VV, and others, and the flop signings, misadventures with VDW etc...nothing short of a miracle was going to restore 2017.It is over. What is easier to predict, is 10 years of mediocrity, and I refuse to lay out my hard earned dollars for that. Besides, in the world of sports entertainment, losing fans and revenue remains the only genuine stimulus for a serious rebuild.

Yes. Casuals. There are many casuals that are gone. It happens every year in every sport. If you don't consider yourself one, you are not.

DIEHARDTFC
08-06-2019, 12:23 PM
Was at the match in the away section. Frustrating to watch (on TV or live) we dominated much of the first half and although Schaf got robbed we should have had a goal or two in the first 45. NYRB got lucky with that OG but in typical TFC fashion we couldn't capitalize on anything including the missed penalty...so we got what we deserved.

I would say nearly half of the away section was filled by Bono's family - they're all in Syracuse. Had a nice chat with his pops, seems very bitter (understandably so) about Bono being pushed out of the lineup and puts the blame on Vanney. TBH I wasn't following the team closely during the spring (Raptors run, sorry) so while I knew at that point that Bono was out I was initially surprised once I started tuning back into TFC.