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OgtheDim
07-13-2019, 09:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPOplkSQDXQ




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZrCHghvpK0


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Have at It People

kodiakTFC
07-13-2019, 09:45 PM
I’m guessing we have the same lineup as the one against the Impact but insert Gallardo for the Shaff and Oso for Deleon.

Oldtimer
07-15-2019, 08:43 AM
Red Bulls 5 points ahead of TFC, but I see this game as quite winnable against a critical Eastern Conference side. It won't be easy though.

2-1 for TFC is my hope.

Mikmacdo
07-15-2019, 09:10 AM
My wishful thinking lineup

Westburg

Auro-Omar-Mavinga-Morrow
——-Fraser-Bradley——-
Gallardo-Pozuelo-Osorio
————-Jozy———-

Super
07-15-2019, 09:13 AM
My wishful thinking lineup

Westburg

Auro-Omar-Mavinga-Morrow
——-Fraser-Bradley——-
Gallardo-Pozuelo-Osorio
————-Jozy———-

That's a line-up I can get excited about as well.

Chubbs
07-15-2019, 10:34 AM
Agreed. Delgado for Fraser has been a change I've wanted to see for a quite a while now, I see no reason for Marky to be constantly starting right now.

Initial B
07-15-2019, 10:49 AM
I thought that Vanney was trying to implement at 4-3-3, so I think a more likely formation would include:

-----------Westburg----------
Auro-Omar-Mavinga-Morrow
--Osorio--Bradley--Pozuelo--
Gallardo---Jozy---Shafft/Endoh

Mikmacdo
07-15-2019, 11:00 AM
I thought that Vanney was trying to implement at 4-3-3, so I think a more likely formation would include:

-----------Westburg----------
Auro-Omar-Mavinga-Morrow
--Osorio--Bradley--Pozuelo--
Gallardo---Jozy---Shafft/Endoh

That’s true but they have used the 4-2-3-1 lineup quiet a bit and last game.

Oldtimer
07-15-2019, 11:11 AM
Vanney might wait another match to introduce Gallardo.

Mikmacdo
07-15-2019, 11:32 AM
Vanney might wait another match to introduce Gallardo.

Im thinking Layrea starts at rw instead of gallardo.

Red CB Toronto
07-15-2019, 12:41 PM
Vanney might wait another match to introduce Gallardo.


Plus will he get Mullins some action after a few days of training and getting familiar with his new teammates.

stevep
07-15-2019, 05:03 PM
It's so nice to be excited about this team again and this game in particular.
Really curious about the starting lineup.
Like the ideas put forth. By everyone. I would like to see ciman in the lineup somehow maybe rb?

Mikmacdo
07-15-2019, 05:28 PM
It's so nice to be excited about this team again and this game in particular.
Really curious about the starting lineup.
Like the ideas put forth. By everyone. I would like to see ciman in the lineup somehow maybe rb?Maybe rotate him in with Omar on the weekend? Or even start him wed at CB with Omar. Mavinga needs to rotate in and out due to his injury problems.

ManUtd4ever
07-15-2019, 05:40 PM
That's a line-up I can get excited about as well.

Our starting eleven and bench is beginning to resemble a club that might be able to come out of the Eastern Conference in the post season, if we can stay relatively healthy.

stevep
07-15-2019, 05:50 PM
Our starting eleven and bench is beginning to resemble a club that might be able to come out of the Eastern Conference in the post season, if we can stay relatively healthy.

We need Sebastian. If seba comes back we can complete with LAFC

Mikmacdo
07-15-2019, 05:54 PM
We need Sebastian. If seba comes back we can complete with LAFC
No thanks, we need a winger more than a striker. What kind of winger could you get with the money for Seba?

stevep
07-15-2019, 07:02 PM
No thanks, we need a winger more than a striker. What kind of winger could you get with the money for Seba?

Agreed. But the trick is to get one. Easier said than done

MightyDM
07-15-2019, 07:29 PM
Vanney might wait another match to introduce Gallardo.

Didn’t they play Pozuelo immediately? Likely to do whatever they did with him with Gallardo I would think.

Hamilton_Red
07-15-2019, 07:34 PM
I’m looking forward to a warm MLS Cup Final in LA November 10th. I think that this squad can compete with LA once we get some consistency and avoid injuries.

OgtheDim
07-15-2019, 08:53 PM
Pozeulo was in mid season when he came. Gallardo is in preseason.

And just a reminder - Gallardo is a right sided forward. He's not a Shaff replacement.

Mikmacdo
07-15-2019, 09:51 PM
Pozeulo was in mid season when he came. Gallardo is in preseason.

And just a reminder - Gallardo is a right sided forward. He's not a Shaff replacement.
He can play both wings.

Oldtimer
07-16-2019, 06:28 AM
He can play both wings.

They mentioned both that he can do that (great for flexibility) and that he's intended for the right wing, so it's both true that he's not intended to be a Shaff replacement and that he could be a Shaff replacement.

Joe Kool
07-16-2019, 11:18 AM
Just got this from TFC. Hard enough to get down to BMO especially for weekday games already.


No Parking Available at BMO Field on Wednesday, March 17th or Saturday, March 20th
Plan your travel to the match accordingly as there will be no parking at Exhibition Place for the games on July 17th and 20th due to major conferences and events. As a result we highly encourage the use of public transit and suggest leaving early so you can be at BMO Field for Kick off.

Mark TFC
07-16-2019, 11:24 AM
Just got this from TFC. Hard enough to get down to BMO especially for weekday games already.


No Parking Available at BMO Field on Wednesday, March 17th or Saturday, March 20th
Plan your travel to the match accordingly as there will be no parking at Exhibition Place for the games on July 17th and 20th due to major conferences and events. As a result we highly encourage the use of public transit and suggest leaving early so you can be at BMO Field for Kick off.

You’d think they could at least get the dates right in the header...

Mark TFC
07-16-2019, 11:25 AM
On a TFC-related note now: I’d expect to see Gallardo in the lineup for Wednesday.

Joe Kool
07-16-2019, 11:26 AM
You’d think they could at least get the dates right in the header...

Yeah one of those moments where "I know what you mean but..."

Yohan
07-16-2019, 12:13 PM
I'd sit Pozo or play him as a sub.

He's going to burn out real soon if his minutes are not managed better.

He's played too many mins IMO if he needs to last till end of season

Joe Kool
07-16-2019, 01:16 PM
I'd sit Pozo or play him as a sub.

He's going to burn out real soon if his minutes are not managed better.

He's played too many mins IMO if he needs to last till end of season

Burned out by the playoffs is no good. Hopefully they learned from past experience with other players. Unfortunately where we sit in the table adds pressure just to get into the playoffs. I could see them sitting him more if we had some kind of cushion between us and the playoff line.

Oldtimer
07-16-2019, 02:47 PM
I'd sit Pozo or play him as a sub.

He's going to burn out real soon if his minutes are not managed better.

He's played too many mins IMO if he needs to last till end of season

Pozo said in his interview this week that he feels good, he's adjusting his training to handle the load rather than lightening the playing. As long as they are on top of it and he's fine I don't see a problem. Hopefully they are monitoring him carefully.

OgtheDim
07-16-2019, 02:57 PM
Of the two games, Saturday would be the more likely game to rotate players.

~~~~~~~~~~~

Petrescu is the ref. Expect a fiesty first half with a lot of rough tackles followed by a few cards in the second.

ag futbol
07-16-2019, 03:31 PM
Pozo said in his interview this week that he feels good, he's adjusting his training to handle the load rather than lightening the playing. As long as they are on top of it and he's fine I don't see a problem. Hopefully they are monitoring him carefully.
I wouldn’t expect an athlete to say anything else. Using the NBA finals as an example: Kevin Durand “felt great” prior to catastrophic year injuring himself and being out for a year.

This is where sports science and our training staff needs to make the call.

Same goes with Iron Man Bradley. There’s been more than one occasion where he’s demanded to play and clearly had nothing left in the tank. He needs to sit on occasion, even if he gets bitchy.

glaze
07-16-2019, 03:50 PM
With highway construction this parking situation is just going to make for a nightmare commute.
They really expect 10,000 cars to flood into liberty village?
Other than the GO train, public transit isn't a much better option
May be a late arriving crowd tommorow. The post game tunnel will be ugly.

JoesphNdo
07-16-2019, 04:26 PM
With highway construction this parking situation is just going to make for a nightmare commute.
They really expect 10,000 cars to flood into liberty village?
Other than the GO train, public transit isn't a much better option
May be a late arriving crowd tomorrow. The post game tunnel will be ugly.

Most people can surely park somewhere that connects to either the go, the king streetcar, the bathurst streetcar, the harbourfront streetcar, the Dufferin or Ossington busses or the subway (and onto one of those busses). there's tonnes of public transit options to the stadium and all would definitely get you to the game alot quicker and cheaper than driving and trying to find parking with the bmo parking lots out of action

stevep
07-16-2019, 05:01 PM
Pozo said in his interview this week that he feels good, he's adjusting his training to handle the load rather than lightening the playing. As long as they are on top of it and he's fine I don't see a problem. Hopefully they are monitoring him carefully.

https://www.oddsportal.com/soccer/usa/mls/toronto-fc-new-york-red-bulls-xhxMZThT/
Or
The odds dropped from 2.0 or 50% implied probability of a tfc win down to 1.75 or 57% implied probability of a tfc win on pinnacle.
That's pretty high probability of winning given the quality of the opponent, I think this implies pozo is playing.
The key guy to watch out for is Oso.
If he is playing probability of a tfc will go up

OgtheDim
07-16-2019, 09:35 PM
I don't think TFC is 10k of cars.

James17930
07-16-2019, 09:46 PM
Pozo said in his interview this week that he feels good, he's adjusting his training to handle the load rather than lightening the playing. As long as they are on top of it and he's fine I don't see a problem. Hopefully they are monitoring him carefully.

Do you have the link?

Oldtimer
07-16-2019, 10:05 PM
Do you have the link?http://fw.to/mZ1y6ce

Question occurs at 4:06

James17930
07-17-2019, 02:58 AM
http://fw.to/mZ1y6ce

Question occurs at 4:06

Thanks.

Section_105
07-17-2019, 08:40 AM
a probably rainy game could see some quick action on the field. hopefully everyone has their precision boots on tonight!

get to work early, head out early, drink some early beers. if you can. lets close the points gap to the Tic Tacs

CBTFC
07-17-2019, 08:54 AM
Been saying to my friends over and over that we don't see the true potential of this team (or any team in MLS really due to salary cap, DP rules, etc), until we have the closest to our full possible starting 11 on the field. We saw that potential slowly unfold in the match against Montreal on Saturday. Time to build on that momentum.

pfk
07-17-2019, 09:03 AM
NYRB brings their hacking game out on the pitch (remember the 2017 Conference Semis?). We almost have the full squad and I like our attitude now. I just hope they don't let the Energy Drinks get under their collars.

3-1 win for the good guys.

OgtheDim
07-17-2019, 02:36 PM
NYRB is a good team and this will not be easy - theywill press us within an inch of our lives - one of the better ways to beat the press is to force back their WB's with speedy wide play and over the top balls to a rushing/laying off central forward.

We need quick ball movements, a solid defence & then we are in with a chance.

I think this game is going to be 2-0 - I just don't know for which team.

DinamoTFC
07-17-2019, 03:50 PM
Nyrb played Sunday night. On short rest maybe with some squad rotation. And playing away. We've seen us cough up these games in the past but we really shouldn't tonight. There's no excuse.

ag futbol
07-17-2019, 03:57 PM
Nyrb played Sunday night. On short rest maybe with some squad rotation. And playing away. We've seen us cough up these games in the past but we really shouldn't tonight. There's no excuse.
This is a good point. They are one of the better teams in the league but on a short rest + travel we should be able to get them.

I’d consider holding some speed back on the bench. Grind them down in the first half and then hit them on the counter when you know they have nothing left in the tank.

noxx98
07-17-2019, 04:58 PM
https://twitter.com/gabohidalgoh/status/1151550558341406721

Apparently no Gallardo tonight. Rough translation below.

Erickson Gallardo will not play tonight with @TorontoFC. He already had a week of training and would have options to debut the weekend vs Houston Dynamo.

Defoe
07-17-2019, 05:25 PM
https://twitter.com/gabohidalgoh/status/1151550558341406721

Apparently no Gallardo tonight. Rough translation below.

Erickson Gallardo will not play tonight with @TorontoFC. He already had a week of training and would have options to debut the weekend vs Houston Dynamo.
****!

ag futbol
07-17-2019, 06:34 PM
OT: pregame channel surfing, my god the whitecaps are awful.

Fort York Redcoat
07-17-2019, 06:48 PM
Looking forward to see a build upon the first team re-union of last match.

Bushmancan
07-17-2019, 07:11 PM
Not happy with that... not even on the bench

COYRs

notthesun
07-17-2019, 07:20 PM
Jozy.

portu
07-17-2019, 07:21 PM
Holy jozy. Beautiful

Inklink
07-17-2019, 07:31 PM
WTF man, no Gallardo not even on the bench?

Nice goal Jozy

Inklink
07-17-2019, 07:37 PM
Terrible challenge. Poz 2-0!

ag futbol
07-17-2019, 07:38 PM
About time. Only took Laryea getting fouled in the box 5 time over a series of games to get one penalty

RedsYNWA
07-17-2019, 07:38 PM
So nice to finally see a TFC player knowing how to take PK's

notthesun
07-17-2019, 07:42 PM
So nice to finally see a TFC player knowing how to take PK's

Great, you cursed him now :p

ag futbol
07-17-2019, 07:44 PM
WTF Bradley

portu
07-17-2019, 07:44 PM
Bradley that was so fucking dumb. St. Quentin to the rescue again.

Inklink
07-17-2019, 07:44 PM
Bradley get your head out of your ass.

PizzaEatingYeti
07-17-2019, 07:45 PM
Bradley is a disaster.

ag futbol
07-17-2019, 07:45 PM
Is Fraser even on the bench? Disheartening

portu
07-17-2019, 07:46 PM
Richie Laryea is crazy fucking talented. Wow.

stegosaurus
07-17-2019, 07:46 PM
Westberg keeping us at a clean sheet. A nice goal and a well-taken, well-deserved penalty.

Bradley... what?

Mikmacdo
07-17-2019, 07:47 PM
Bradley out fraser in. Get a dp winger.

portu
07-17-2019, 07:47 PM
Is Fraser even on the bench? Disheartening

Can only imagine how it feels to be Liam. Play like one of the best players on the pitch, Michael comes back and you get sat.

Inklink
07-17-2019, 07:47 PM
Richie is better than I expected.

ag futbol
07-17-2019, 07:48 PM
I think at a minimum Laryea has secured himself a spot as a backup fullback for this team. But there’s upside here, for sure

notthesun
07-17-2019, 07:54 PM
Is Fraser even on the bench? Disheartening

I'm hoping against hope they kept him out of the squad with the plan that he starts Saturday and Bradley gets a break...

Defoe
07-17-2019, 07:59 PM
I think at a minimum Laryea has secured himself a spot as a backup fullback for this team. But there’s upside here, for sure

first half ratings from my view


Altidore - 8.5
Lareya - 7.5
Pozuelo - 7.5
Gonzalez - 7.0
Westberg - 7.0
Morrow - 6.5
Ciman - 6.5
Endoh - 6.5
Bradley - 5.5
Delgado - 5.5
Shaffulburg 5.0

ag futbol
07-17-2019, 08:00 PM
I'm hoping against hope they kept him out of the squad with the plan that he starts Saturday and Bradley gets a break...
I hope so. Or there’s some other (minor) reason keeping him out.

I would be incredulous to think someone like Chapman should be on the team sheet before Fraser.

The club needs get find some opportunities to get this kid back on the field

PizzaEatingYeti
07-17-2019, 08:01 PM
TFC is extremely lucky to be up by 2 at halftime.
Extremely!

PizzaEatingYeti
07-17-2019, 08:02 PM
I hope so. Or there’s some other (minor) reason keeping him out.

I would be incredulous to think someone like Chapman should be on the team sheet before Fraser.

The club needs get find some opportunities to get this kid back on the field

This!
+1000 times!

OgtheDim
07-17-2019, 08:06 PM
Shaffelberg has been a handful and is causing them to keep their RB back. Watching him live gives a different perspective.

Mikmacdo
07-17-2019, 08:06 PM
first half ratings from my view


Altidore - 8.5
Lareya - 7.5
Pozuelo - 7.5
Gonzalez - 7.0
Westberg - 7.0
Morrow - 6.5
Ciman - 6.5
Endoh - 6.5
Bradley - 5.5
Delgado - 5.5
Shaffulburg 5.0

Ciman has been good. Delgado should be on the bottom.

OgtheDim
07-17-2019, 08:07 PM
More worried about our inability to get off a goal kick

PizzaEatingYeti
07-17-2019, 08:08 PM
If Fraser is not playing our next game I will say to Vanney:
Go fuck yourself, idiot!

PizzaEatingYeti
07-17-2019, 08:10 PM
If we have Bono in net, right now this game is at least just 2-1, but more like 2-2, lol....

ag futbol
07-17-2019, 08:14 PM
OT: pregame channel surfing, my god the whitecaps are awful.
Update: Whitecaps are still bad. Unfortunate for us on the day as NE close in the standings

stevep
07-17-2019, 08:15 PM
first half ratings from my view


Altidore - 8.5
Lareya - 7.5
Pozuelo - 7.5
Gonzalez - 7.0
Westberg - 7.0
Morrow - 6.5
Ciman - 6.5
Endoh - 6.5
Bradley - 5.5
Delgado - 5.5
Shaffulburg 5.0
Westbury 7???
I have him a 10

PizzaEatingYeti
07-17-2019, 08:17 PM
Westbury 7???
I have him a 10

8.5 or 9.

ag futbol
07-17-2019, 08:32 PM
How is that not even a yellow? He kicked his standing leg with no play on the ball.

Should be a yellow, probably red

PizzaEatingYeti
07-17-2019, 08:33 PM
How is that not even a yellow? He kicked his standing leg with no play on the ball.

Should be a yellow, probably red

Minimum a yellow.

PizzaEatingYeti
07-17-2019, 08:35 PM
Great.
Brake Pozuelo's legs, maybe you get a yellow.
The world's best referees here in MLS.

portu
07-17-2019, 08:35 PM
2-1. We're lucky to be winning imo.

Inklink
07-17-2019, 08:36 PM
Straight dumbfuckery on defense.

gracos
07-17-2019, 08:36 PM
Vanney just changed the game flow drastically, we will be lucky to finish out this game ahead

PizzaEatingYeti
07-17-2019, 08:37 PM
This goal was coming forever.
After break TFC was playing like they want to be scored on.

ag futbol
07-17-2019, 08:38 PM
Vanney just changed the game flow drastically, we will be lucky to finish out this game ahead
The Osorio sub I get, as Shaffelburg looked gassed. But Morgan on? Silly. Too conservative with too much time left.

PizzaEatingYeti
07-17-2019, 08:38 PM
Jebus, how many chances need Red bulls to score 1?
Should be at least 4-2 for them by now.

ag futbol
07-17-2019, 08:41 PM
This team is so dirty. They should finish every game with 8 men

gracos
07-17-2019, 08:44 PM
Congrats A Morgan on the goal

benito
07-17-2019, 08:44 PM
Great hustle by Morgan!

wopchop
07-17-2019, 08:44 PM
Never give up boys. Fight for that ball.

stegosaurus
07-17-2019, 08:45 PM
Morgan was reading that other thread!

Inklink
07-17-2019, 08:45 PM
lool Morgan

JuliquE
07-17-2019, 08:45 PM
Ayo… put some respect on Morgan's name, doh.

ag futbol
07-17-2019, 08:45 PM
The Osorio sub I get, as Shaffelburg looked gassed. But Morgan on? Silly. Too conservative with too much time left.
And this is why I don’t coach

notthesun
07-17-2019, 08:45 PM
Hahahahahahahahaha well done Ash

Defoe
07-17-2019, 08:46 PM
foul, foul, foul,

never change red bulls

portu
07-17-2019, 08:46 PM
Ashton Morgan gotta love it!!

Mikmacdo
07-17-2019, 08:47 PM
Aston Morgan the left winger we've been missing.

PizzaEatingYeti
07-17-2019, 08:48 PM
We are going all defense, lol.

Yuushalinsky
07-17-2019, 08:48 PM
Endoh has been great this match - hope to see Vanney give him more minutes.

portu
07-17-2019, 08:49 PM
Inviting pressure here. Lots of faith placed in our D from Vanney.

ag futbol
07-17-2019, 08:57 PM
Why would we pull our fastest players off the field late in a game when we need to keep them honest on the counter?

benito
07-17-2019, 09:07 PM
2 in a row! Solid win.

Areathrasher
07-17-2019, 09:09 PM
Never speak ill of Ashtone Morgan again

notthesun
07-17-2019, 09:11 PM
"Bend don't break" appears to be a much more legitimate strategy with Omar back there. Super solid start for him.

Thought Delgado was quite good today.

stegosaurus
07-17-2019, 09:12 PM
Except for the couple of points we were slouching, that was a pretty good game.

Morgan is awesome. What a guy.

That play where Delgado simultaneously won the ball back before kicking it out of bounds basically summarizes him as a player.

Our defenders looked good. Laryea looked great.

Jozy wow.

PizzaEatingYeti
07-17-2019, 09:14 PM
Strange win.
I've seen countless games where TFC played a lot better compared to it's opponent than today, and came out totally empty handed.

Areathrasher
07-17-2019, 09:17 PM
Houston got blown out by ATL tonight and Ellis was sent off. Keep fucking rolling.

PizzaEatingYeti
07-17-2019, 09:17 PM
Inviting pressure here. Lots of faith placed in our D from Vanney.
Too much faith.
We won because of Q and the RedBulls' lack of sharpness in the final third. Our defense was really good, but still....

barticusz
07-17-2019, 09:18 PM
Great to see consecutive wins. Feels like forever since we’ve had two in a row. Let’s keep this going.

JoesphNdo
07-17-2019, 09:42 PM
Great win but I'm going to say something that won't go down well here at all.

Westberg has some great saves and is fantastic with the ball at his feet...but he's not a good goalkeeper and it's only a matter of time until his mistakes cost us goals *hides*

Omar Gonzalez on the other hand so far looks like just what the doctor ordered, he may have plugged the biggest gap this team had

OgtheDim
07-17-2019, 09:43 PM
Defence was OK by and large but man.... Sooo many brain cramps by the midfield

DinamoTFC
07-17-2019, 09:47 PM
Great win but I'm going to say something that won't go down well here at all.

Westberg has some great saves and is fantastic with the ball at his feet...but he's not a good goalkeeper and it's only a matter of time until his mistakes cost us goals *hides*

Omar Gonzalez on the other hand so far looks like just what the doctor ordered, he may have plugged the biggest gap this team had

Lol What? Westberg's been fantastic. Last player to worry about on this team

Canary10
07-17-2019, 09:49 PM
NYRB brings their hacking game out on the pitch (remember the 2017 Conference Semis?). We almost have the full squad and I like our attitude now. I just hope they don't let the Energy Drinks get under their collars.

3-1 win for the good guys.

Good call!

James17930
07-17-2019, 09:55 PM
My god the Red Bulls are dirty. Like, pretty much every player should be fined dirty. Absolutely shameful.

I think the ref actually did a pretty good job cracking down on them.

Now to take care of 9 for 9 on the weekend!

Canary10
07-17-2019, 10:01 PM
Tbh I think we were pretty outplayed, especially in the second half. The ball barely made it past half. But we held tight and love that Ashtone scored!

stevep
07-17-2019, 10:13 PM
Tbh I think we were pretty outplayed, especially in the second half. The ball barely made it past half. But we held tight and love that Ashtone

scored!

after the red bulls goal thought for sure they were going to tie it
they kept coming and coming and then ashtone saved the day
he got us 2 points tonight with that goal, he is what he is, will never criticize him again

MightyDM
07-17-2019, 10:18 PM
NYRB brings their hacking game out on the pitch (remember the 2017 Conference Semis?). We almost have the full squad and I like our attitude now. I just hope they don't let the Energy Drinks get under their collars.

3-1 win for the good guys.
Nice call

Ultra & Proud
07-17-2019, 10:26 PM
It's not only Morgan fighting for the goal that was so good, it was how our longer serving players reacted to him him scoring that shows why he belongs here.

pfk
07-17-2019, 10:28 PM
Nice call

Haha thanks (and Canary10 as well). It’s not much a stretch to predict the Dirty Bulls hacking strategy.

I am digging the confidence of the team, although I was they were letting NYRB get too many chances.

Two wins in a row! Let’s keep it going!

Auzzy
07-17-2019, 10:59 PM
The foul on Pozuelo (where he injured his ankle) was really nasty. I can't find the video right now, but man oh man.

Joe Kool
07-17-2019, 11:55 PM
The foul on Pozuelo (where he injured his ankle) was really nasty. I can't find the video right now, but man oh man.

Typical NYRB fashion to try to take out our impact players like they always have in recent years. Pozuelo coming off due to that cheap shot then Vanney deciding it is a good idea to start getting defensive at that time to hold out for the win almost cost us the game. You can't invite pressure like that. NYRB coach saw that we did that and sent in Wright-Philips and Royer and I thought ah crap but luckily we held out for the win. Not the most convincing by any means in the second half but it doesn't matter how you get the win in this league you just need to get it. 2017 was a good example of that. It was never pretty but the boys found a way to get it done enough times to make the difference.

DinamoTFC
07-18-2019, 12:07 AM
Tbh I think we were pretty outplayed, especially in the second half. The ball barely made it past half. But we held tight and love that Ashtone scored!

This sport is remarkable. How many times have we dominated possession and couldn't score for the life of us. Then today we had much less possession and scored more. Quick transition against less players defending will usually produce better opportunities to score.

Refreshing to see the speed of the game increased today, some of it thanks to the nyrb press.

PizzaEatingYeti
07-18-2019, 03:39 AM
Typical NYRB fashion to try to take out our impact players like they always have in recent years. Pozuelo coming off due to that cheap shot then Vanney deciding it is a good idea to start getting defensive at that time to hold out for the win almost cost us the game. You can't invite pressure like that. NYRB coach saw that we did that and sent in Wright-Philips and Royer and I thought ah crap but luckily we held out for the win. Not the most convincing by any means in the second half but it doesn't matter how you get the win in this league you just need to get it. 2017 was a good example of that. It was never pretty but the boys found a way to get it done enough times to make the difference.

We were lucky, because he's not in shape yet, but I'm much afraid that will be not the case when we play them again in New Jersey, just 3 or 4 games from now.
The guy is a scoring robot.

OgtheDim
07-18-2019, 06:05 AM
Wright Phillips is now a sub for a reason. He doesn't start for NYRB because he can't go 45 any more, let alone 60.

If we approach that game in Jersey like we did today, I think we have a decent chance of coming away with a result. Our problem wasn't our defenders (well except for 1 or 2 plays but Ciman is going to Ciman). Our midfield gave up a lot of balls in bad areas (which is what their press does) in the second half - in the 1st half, that didn't happen.

Oldtimer
07-18-2019, 06:21 AM
One subtle change that Vanney did with Shaffelburg at the half was to have him move over more to the middle when it was time to receive passes as his marker had kept using his hight to block passes to the touch line. I suspect most fans didn't notice it but it changed the dynamic!

Unfortunately I didn't get to see how it could have played out because he was totally knackered and needed to be substituted fairly early in the second half. I expect to see some other careful changes the next time they meet up.

ensco
07-18-2019, 06:25 AM
Reading the thread, man... why are people so grumpy? We got 6 points in 4 nights here, taken from teams we are chasing ...

Jozy with both a beautiful goal, and a marvellous through ball to our man Ashtone Morgan, showing everyone he still has game - what a great hustle play by him!

Bradley had a mistake but actually was pretty good away from that. Both teams were pretty bad at the back, really, lots of defensive brain cramps both ways.

This was the epitome of a nice summer night. The rain held off. The turf was excellent.

That was a lot of fun.

With Jozy we can beat anybody in November.

OgtheDim
07-18-2019, 06:50 AM
With Jozy we can beat anybody in November.

Yeah, I don't fear the away games like a lot of teams seem to do. Yes, you'd prefer to be at home but apart from NER's turf, there is no away game in the East which might rattle our team. And I don't think these guys would be out of sorts in a Championship in LA or Portland.

ag futbol
07-18-2019, 07:06 AM
Tbh I think we were pretty outplayed, especially in the second half. The ball barely made it past half. But we held tight and love that Ashtone scored!
“Late” game tactics from this team need work. We retreat to the bunker too quickly with the lead. Without a credible attack we’re just asking to get scored on.

Credit where it’s due, we had a few guys have great games. Westburg obviously but also Laryea, Jozy, and a few others.

Canary10
07-18-2019, 07:20 AM
Reading the thread, man... why are people so grumpy? We got 6 points in 4 nights here, taken from teams we are chasing ...

Jozy with both a beautiful goal, and a marvellous through ball to our man Ashtone Morgan, showing everyone he still has game - what a great hustle play by him!

Bradley had a mistake but actually was pretty good away from that. Both teams were pretty bad at the back, really, lots of defensive brain cramps both ways.

This was the epitome of a nice summer night. The rain held off. The turf was excellent.

That was a lot of fun.

With Jozy we can beat anybody in November.

I don’t think anyone is grumpy. It’s great to get a win out of a game like that. I think that’s the consensus.

The Pozuelo tackle happened right in front of me. I actually didn’t think there was anything to it, but need to see the replay. I don’t see NYRB as dirty per se, but they go in hard every time, that’s for sure. I always thought Parker was a bit of a dweeb (maybe because he played for Vancouver) but he goes in hard. He flattened Marky at least once.

Canary10
07-18-2019, 07:27 AM
Just saw the replay. It was dirty. Don’t think Pozuelo is hurt though.

69Chevy396
07-18-2019, 07:33 AM
Just saw the replay. It was dirty. Don’t think Pozuelo is hurt though.

He was limping pretty badly after the game. That was a red card foul, intent to injure was evident. Watch it in slow motion, he could have broken his leg.

stevep
07-18-2019, 07:38 AM
This sport is remarkable. How many times have we dominated possession and couldn't score for the life of us. Then today we had much less possession and scored more. Quick transition against less players defending will usually produce better opportunities to score.

Refreshing to see the speed of the game increased today, some of it thanks to the nyrb press.


NYRB easily the best team I've seen at BMO all season.
wasn't really comfortable even up by two. when NYRB scored that goal thought for sure they were going to tie it

red-o
07-18-2019, 07:48 AM
He was limping pretty badly after the game. That was a red card foul, intent to injure was evident. Watch it in slow motion, he could have broken his leg.
If it was serious would think he would’ve gone to the locker room immediately for treatment... I didn’t see though he could’ve been icing it. Definitely limped more then than when he was coming off the field

GhostKiller
07-18-2019, 08:55 AM
Where did you see the replay of the tackle? I can't find it anywhere

Canary10
07-18-2019, 09:07 AM
Where did you see the replay of the tackle? I can't find it anywhere

I happened to see it on Twitter this morning but haven’t seen it again. He caught the trailing leg from the back.

ManUtd4ever
07-18-2019, 09:14 AM
We played well enough to win, but most likely a different outcome with Bono in goal.

Our depth is starting to come through for us which is very encouraging moving forward.

I can't wait to see our best starting eleven together on the pitch.

C.Ronaldo
07-18-2019, 09:18 AM
It's not only Morgan fighting for the goal that was so good, it was how our longer serving players reacted to him him scoring that shows why he belongs here.

how fitting with all our Morgan talk that he bags one
never lets this man leave, he is part of the foundation

C.Ronaldo
07-18-2019, 09:20 AM
We played well enough to win, but most likely a different outcome with Bono in goal.

Our depth is starting to come through for us which is very encouraging moving forward.

I can't wait to see our best starting eleven together on the pitch.

PS westberg is 33! I thought he was late 20s. Great for him to find a starting role at that point in his career

C.Ronaldo
07-18-2019, 09:21 AM
If it was serious would think he would’ve gone to the locker room immediately for treatment... I didn’t see though he could’ve been icing it. Definitely limped more then than when he was coming off the field

ciman saw it and instantly though it was bad news bears

Its at least a sprain, I dont expect him on the game sheet for saturday

C.Ronaldo
07-18-2019, 09:28 AM
Yeah, I don't fear the away games like a lot of teams seem to do. Yes, you'd prefer to be at home but apart from NER's turf, there is no away game in the East which might rattle our team. And I don't think these guys would be out of sorts in a Championship in LA or Portland.

we need better striker depth for that level

unless I see fraser (why isnt he back out there) and bradley out there pushing up poz closer to net

C.Ronaldo
07-18-2019, 09:33 AM
Typical NYRB fashion to try to take out our impact players like they always have in recent years. Pozuelo coming off due to that cheap shot then Vanney deciding it is a good idea to start getting defensive at that time to hold out for the win almost cost us the game. You can't invite pressure like that. NYRB coach saw that we did that and sent in Wright-Philips and Royer and I thought ah crap but luckily we held out for the win. Not the most convincing by any means in the second half but it doesn't matter how you get the win in this league you just need to get it. 2017 was a good example of that. It was never pretty but the boys found a way to get it done enough times to make the difference.

Morgan didnt hunker down though
The goal was result of a breakdown during a formation change.
Bradley probably should have not been as involved in the play. Communication fell apart with too many Red shirts around 2 guys, and he became offside.

I think the D could have handled that sequence on their own better and MB should have stayed closer to top of box

Ultra & Proud
07-18-2019, 09:34 AM
unless I see fraser (why isnt he back out there) and bradley out there pushing up poz closer to net
I was saying yesterday that Delgado looks like he is doing what he did in 2016 & 2017. Once threatened to lose his starting spot or after losing his starting spot, he always found another level and started playing great (minus the shooting on target). Yesterday was the most old days Delgado I've seen since 2017. If he keeps that up then it's Bradley or Fraser so Fraser may have to wait until next year.

Canary10
07-18-2019, 09:43 AM
Omar has been a huge addition so far. Calm, plays the ball out well and has a nice running stride! Looks to have finally plugged that gap.

C.Ronaldo
07-18-2019, 09:43 AM
I was saying yesterday that Delgado looks like he is doing what he did in 2016 & 2017. Once threatened to lose his starting spot or after losing his starting spot, he always found another level and started playing great (minus the shooting on target). Yesterday was the most old days Delgado I've seen since 2017. If he keeps that up then it's Bradley or Fraser so Fraser may have to wait until next year.

when osorio starts im hoping the sequence will marky comes off in the 70th for fraser.

with that note, marky (the shaff and gallardo, and even endoh) might have put a nail in chapman's coffin.

Ultra & Proud
07-18-2019, 09:47 AM
with that note, marky (the shaff and gallardo, and even endoh) might have put a nail in chapman's coffin.

I am thinking that too. Maybe he can do a Delgado and turn it on in Voyageurs Cup play.

JonO
07-18-2019, 09:59 AM
I was saying yesterday that Delgado looks like he is doing what he did in 2016 & 2017. Once threatened to lose his starting spot or after losing his starting spot, he always found another level and started playing great (minus the shooting on target). Yesterday was the most old days Delgado I've seen since 2017. If he keeps that up then it's Bradley or Fraser so Fraser may have to wait until next year.
I am pretty harsh on Delgado, but I thought he played well yesterday. Covered well defensively too. Laryea had a great game (apart from a couple of minor slip ups) and so did Endoh. The three of them were connecting really well in the first half to advance the ball.

One thing I completely missed was the reason for Endoh's card. Anyone?

C.Ronaldo
07-18-2019, 10:13 AM
I am pretty harsh on Delgado, but I thought he played well yesterday. Covered well defensively too. Laryea had a great game (apart from a couple of minor slip ups) and so did Endoh. The three of them were connecting really well in the first half to advance the ball.

One thing I completely missed was the reason for Endoh's card. Anyone?

reddit says cuz hes wearing a bracelet lol

MightyDM
07-18-2019, 10:49 AM
I thought Bradley played very well, the giveaway aside (and the guy came from his blindside - partly on Westberg too). He and Poz were brilliant in avoiding the high press. Good coaching there too. You could see that it was highly coordinated.

pfk
07-18-2019, 11:23 AM
Here's the link to challenge on Poz. Not sure why this wasn't called. Typical Red Bulls.

https://twitter.com/TorontoFC/status/1151665328151236608

ManUtd4ever
07-18-2019, 12:24 PM
PS westberg is 33! I thought he was late 20s. Great for him to find a starting role at that point in his career

He has really been a diamond in the rough for us. Some keepers can play at a high level well into their 30's. Fingers crossed.

ManUtd4ever
07-18-2019, 12:30 PM
I thought Bradley played very well, the giveaway aside (and the guy came from his blindside - partly on Westberg too). He and Poz were brilliant in avoiding the high press. Good coaching there too. You could see that it was highly coordinated.

Regarding Bradley, I think the criticism stems from the fact that he is a DP earning an exorbitant salary relative to his ability.

He has been fairly solid overall for us this season, but there's no question he is starting to decline. I would like to keep him if he was willing to sign for TAM money beyond this season. A 3rd DP slot would be much more useful for us in the form of a world class winger next season.

If Bradley isn't willing to accept a paycut, we should be able to find an adequate replacement at a TAM level salary.

C.Ronaldo
07-18-2019, 02:30 PM
Regarding Bradley, I think the criticism stems from the fact that he is a DP earning an exorbitant salary relative to his ability.

He has been fairly solid overall for us this season, but there's no question he is starting to decline. I would like to keep him if he was willing to sign for TAM money beyond this season. A 3rd DP slot would be much more useful for us in the form of a world class winger next season.

If Bradley isn't willing to accept a paycut, we should be able to find an adequate replacement at a TAM level salary.

we have fraser, im confident based on what i have seen in Fraser.
its fraser depth that we'll neeed

C.Ronaldo
07-18-2019, 02:32 PM
He has really been a diamond in the rough for us. Some keepers can play at a high level well into their 30's. Fingers crossed.

Hes playing with cat like reflexes and looks tiny at 6ft compared to Bono

Ultra & Proud
07-18-2019, 02:38 PM
we have fraser, im confident based on what i have seen in Fraser.
its fraser depth that we'll neeed
Agree 100%. I would like a battle hardened MLSer for this back up spot. Maybe in the re-entry draft if it still exists with new CBA. I don't like the idea of two young or new guys covering an important position.

C.Ronaldo
07-18-2019, 02:49 PM
He has really been a diamond in the rough for us. Some keepers can play at a high level well into their 30's. Fingers crossed.
https://torontosun.com/sports/soccer/mls/toronto-fc/beezer-feature

“There’s so much diversity here, but people living together in the best of ways. There’s this pride of being Canadian and living in Canada that I really like. I’m starting to feel a little Canadian and my kids also,”
“I’m at peace with who I am and what I want to be as a person and a goalkeeper,” he said. “I just try to be fair and respectful, that’s kind of my motto with everyone.”

I think starting to have a man crush on Q

Bushmancan
07-18-2019, 03:28 PM
Hes playing with cat like reflexes and looks tiny at 6ft compared to Bono

I honestly hope Bono is paying attention and is working on his positioning and ball distribution... fingers crossed.

pfk
07-18-2019, 03:41 PM
I honestly hope Bono is paying attention and is working on his positioning and ball distribution... fingers crossed.

I can't recall the last game that Bono has played. I have a feeling his days are numbered here and may be trade bait at the end of the season.

Bushmancan
07-18-2019, 03:54 PM
I can't recall the last game that Bono has played. I have a feeling his days are numbered here and may be trade bait at the end of the season.


Don't get me wrong, loving Westberg, he's been brilliant. Would be great if he became a mentor in the process to Bono, like Irwin was supposed to be.

Oldtimer
07-18-2019, 03:54 PM
I can't recall the last game that Bono has played. I have a feeling his days are numbered here and may be trade bait at the end of the season.

It's always good to have two people pushing for a position and Bono is not overpaid to the degree that irwin was.

Ultra & Proud
07-18-2019, 04:00 PM
It's always good to have two people pushing for a position and Bono is not overpaid to the degree that irwin was.
$350K base is pretty high for a starter much less a back up.

Oldtimer
07-18-2019, 04:02 PM
$350K base is pretty high for a starter much less a back up.

I didn't realize it had gotten that high. Hmmm.

portu
07-18-2019, 04:04 PM
$350K base is pretty high for a starter much less a back up.

Yeah Irwin was on just over half of what Bono was on and played the same role Bono is now.

Auzzy
07-18-2019, 04:06 PM
Here's the link to challenge on Poz. Not sure why this wasn't called. Typical Red Bulls.

https://twitter.com/TorontoFC/status/1151665328151236608

Wow, I thought Petrescu had handed out a yellow card for that, after the injury delay. But I just checked the stats on the MLS website, no card handed out around the 60th minute. I think a foul was called though; game restarted with a freekick. But should have been a yellow at least. That's a potential season-ending tackle, the way the leg & ankle bend while under load.

This was a type of "persistent infringement" by multiple NYRB players throughout the game, which is very dangerous in a cumulative sense. I.e. high risk of serious injury to an opponent over the course of the game. Many of these tackles, on their own, weren't that vicious, or at least not obviously deliberate. But it's clear the NYRB coach has given them the mandate to high-press aggressively all over the pitch, w/o worrying about fouls or injuries. Often their players aren't quick enough to do that well, and end up coming in late & fouling. And I felt like once one of their players got a yellow, another player would start being more aggressive instead.

Fort York Redcoat
07-18-2019, 05:03 PM
Thanks Bono thread coming soon.

We're a little light on keepers tho from the Toonies.

MightyDM
07-18-2019, 05:07 PM
Regarding Bradley, I think the criticism stems from the fact that he is a DP earning an exorbitant salary relative to his ability.

He has been fairly solid overall for us this season, but there's no question he is starting to decline. I would like to keep him if he was willing to sign for TAM money beyond this season. A 3rd DP slot would be much more useful for us in the form of a world class winger next season.

If Bradley isn't willing to accept a paycut, we should be able to find an adequate replacement at a TAM level salary.

I don't see it that way at all. i'd like Fraser's path to be unblocked, but Bradley is still a top player - starting in key games and performing well for USMNT - and us. Dont forget the two goals he scored early doors this year when we needed someone to step up. Fraser is no where near his level yet.

ensco
07-18-2019, 06:53 PM
Here's the link to challenge on Poz. Not sure why this wasn't called. Typical Red Bulls.

https://twitter.com/TorontoFC/status/1151665328151236608

This has to be supplemental discipline. It just has to be.

Ultra & Proud
07-18-2019, 07:34 PM
This has to be supplemental discipline. It just has to be.

It should be or let Jozy stack himself up another fine.

noimpactinmtl
07-18-2019, 08:00 PM
I don't see it that way at all. i'd like Fraser's path to be unblocked, but Bradley is still a top player - starting in key games and performing well for USMNT - and us. Dont forget the two goals he scored early doors this year when we needed someone to step up. Fraser is no where near his level yet.

Fraser on homegrown wages already provides better value than a soon to be declining Bradley on $4.5 million plus DP slot. Not a knock on him, he was our best player on both MLS Cup Finals appearances.

People who think Bradley is overrated are the same people who thinks no defensive player is ever worth a DP slot. In all fairness, it’s a valid argument. We’re never going to get a de Ligt or a VVD in their prime at MLS, even if we use a DP slot to pay them astronomical wages.

MightyDM
07-18-2019, 09:09 PM
Fraser on homegrown wages already provides better value than a soon to be declining Bradley on $4.5 million plus DP slot. Not a knock on him, he was our best player on both MLS Cup Finals appearances.

People who think Bradley is overrated are the same people who thinks no defensive player is ever worth a DP slot. In all fairness, it’s a valid argument. We’re never going to get a de Ligt or a VVD in their prime at MLS, even if we use a DP slot to pay them astronomical wages.

It’s a critical position controlling and running the game. Strength up the middle. You don’t throw that away. Same way you don’t throw away goals. We did that and have struggled.

Brooker
07-18-2019, 11:40 PM
Maybe I'm in the minority when it comes to Bradley making games less stressful. Fraser, okay.... but that doesn't solve the problem. (To be honest I didn't notice a problem.)

I have yet to see him decline at any rate that makes me worry. I just see his age mentioned. We need him.

But what do I know. Meh.

MightyDM
07-19-2019, 08:48 AM
Maybe I'm in the minority when it comes to Bradley making games less stressful. Fraser, okay.... but that doesn't solve the problem. (To be honest I didn't notice a problem.)

I have yet to see him decline at any rate that makes me worry. I just see his age mentioned. We need him.

But what do I know. Meh.

Im with you. Manning broadly hinted that he was gone unless he signs a TAM deal. I don’t trust Manning’s judgment on this stuff given he was admittedly taken by surprise by VV and Seba, and that we still haven’t replaced Seba.

Brooker
07-20-2019, 08:26 AM
Im with you. Manning broadly hinted that he was gone unless he signs a TAM deal. I don’t trust Manning’s judgment on this stuff given he was admittedly taken by surprise by VV and Seba, and that we still haven’t replaced Seba.

Yup.

So let's get rid of Bradley and hope Fraser can fill his boots. (He can't. Not just yet, at all.)

Manning terrifies me. Ahhh it's kinda starting to feel like the good old days.

ManUtd4ever
07-20-2019, 11:34 AM
Maybe I'm in the minority when it comes to Bradley making games less stressful. Fraser, okay.... but that doesn't solve the problem. (To be honest I didn't notice a problem.)

I have yet to see him decline at any rate that makes me worry. I just see his age mentioned. We need him.

But what do I know. Meh.

I would like to keep him, but as a DP? I'm not sure any other club in MLS would use a DP slot on him at this stage of his career. Perhaps he can get that type of money in China or Saudi Arabia.

PizzaEatingYeti
07-20-2019, 12:02 PM
I would like to keep him, but as a DP? I'm not sure any other club in MLS would use a DP slot on him at this stage of his career. Perhaps he can get that type of money in China or Saudi Arabia.

This!

OgtheDim
07-20-2019, 02:55 PM
I would like to keep him, but as a DP? I'm not sure any other club in MLS would use a DP slot on him at this stage of his career. .


Minnesota, Nashville, Chicago, Columbus, Cinci, DCU, Colorado, SKC, RSL, Orlando - off the top of my head - probably more. Wouldn't pay him 6.5 but would pay him more then we would on TAM.