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PizzaEatingYeti
06-14-2019, 11:01 AM
So the Raptors won their 1st NBA champion title in their existence.
The Raps and TFC have the same owner (and plus the Maple Leafs, Argos, Marlies of course) = MLSE.

Question: Will this great performance of the Raptors have any effect on TFC?

Those voting negative effects, may think that this will decrease the general ambition of MLSE for better results towards the "smaller" teams they own.
Those voting positive effects, may think that this will increase the general ambition of MLSE for better results towards the "smaller" teams they own.

"Smaller" team = every tean owned by MLSE not called Raptors or Maple Leafs, simply ranked by the popularity of the teams (these 2 are on another planet of popularity compared to the other 3).

Possible 7 poll answers:

+3 Will have a strong positive effect on TFC.
+2 Will have a clearly noticeable positve effect on TFC.
+1 Will have a small positive effect on TFC, but not something widely noticeable.
0 What a dumb thread and poll, of course this won't have whatsoever effect on TFC!
-1 Will have a small negative effect on TFC, but not something widely noticeable.
-2 Will have a clearly noticeable negative effect on TFC.
-3 Will have a strong negative effect on TFC.

Ultra & Proud
06-14-2019, 11:07 AM
If anything it should affect the Leafs. More pressure to break that cup drought.

Canary10
06-14-2019, 11:12 AM
We are on the international stage. Use it as a recruiting tool for the summer transfer window. Who wouldn't want to be part of the Toronto sports culture right now?

PizzaEatingYeti
06-14-2019, 11:14 AM
We are on the international stage. Use it as a recruiting tool for the summer transfer window. Who wouldn't want to be part of the Toronto sports culture right now?
This is a great point.

Ponderosa
06-14-2019, 11:23 AM
I like that MLSE has smartened up and going to run the parade along lakeshore to nathan phillips--- our next parade should likewise be from BMO to Nathan (gotta stay positive!)

:scarf::drum::flare:

Joe Kool
06-14-2019, 12:41 PM
I voted "0" but not because I thought the poll was dumb as the description goes. I just think there will be "0" effect on TFC. The people who paid attention to TFC (probably mostly also Raps fans too) before this will still be the same people to watch TFC after this. The people who didn't care about soccer or TFC probably will still not care about soccer or TFC after this. I would agree with a post above that it puts pressure on the Leafs if anyone since they are the only MLSE franchise not to win a championship now. I don't think the operation of the Toronto FC club changes due to this. They will probably have some players out at an upcoming game to celebrate the win before kickoff. That would be cool.

C.Ronaldo
06-14-2019, 01:07 PM
We are on the international stage. Use it as a recruiting tool for the summer transfer window. Who wouldn't want to be part of the Toronto sports culture right now?

good point

does Spicy P have any cousins as rediculously athletic as he is

C.Ronaldo
06-14-2019, 01:09 PM
I like that MLSE has smartened up and going to run the parade along lakeshore to nathan phillips--- our next parade should likewise be from BMO to Nathan (gotta stay positive!)

:scarf::drum::flare:

I love to see the Raps tour the different Jurassic park viewing parties with mini parades, or at least some of the larger ones

Canary10
06-14-2019, 02:03 PM
good point

does Spicy P have any cousins as rediculously athletic as he is

Ha ha I was actually going to say that. Bet there is a lot of under the radar soccer talent in Cameroon.

glaze
06-14-2019, 02:40 PM
Well, Bradley was at game 5 with his family.
So it seems he legitimately has laid roots here.
I'd love to see Bradley have a role with TFC after his playing career, perhaps coach. So thats all i am taking from the Raptors effect on TFC.
More money for the organization is good too. Like MLSE hopefully has multi millions more revenue and thus wont feel the need to trim costs across organization.

Ultra & Proud
06-14-2019, 02:46 PM
The only real pitch I can see this summer with our available roster spots is to sell players on the TFC involvement in Jurassic Park. Show them the vids of Hamilton, Bono, and the rest on that stage watching or some vids from BMO last Friday. Seeing the 'togetherness' between the various MLSE sports enterprises would be attractive to some players for sure. Being part of something really big.

However, if we have open big time DP slot(s) next spring then maybe sending Drake in the MLSE jet to bring some players court side wouldn't be a bad move.

stegosaurus
06-14-2019, 03:07 PM
The only real pitch I can see this summer with our available roster spots is to sell players on the TFC involvement in Jurassic Park. Show them the vids of Hamilton, Bono, and the rest on that stage watching or some vids from BMO last Friday. Seeing the 'togetherness' between the various MLSE sports enterprises would be attractive to some players for sure. Being part of something really big.

However, if we have open big time DP slot(s) next spring then maybe sending Drake in the MLSE jet to bring some players court side wouldn't be a bad move.

He has his own private jet. Maybe send him out to make a reggaeton song with Neymar.

Oldtimer
06-14-2019, 05:09 PM
If anything it should affect the Leafs. More pressure to break that cup drought.

Agreed. Their other properties (TFC, Raptors, Marlies, and Argos) all have recent cup wins. Only the Leafs remain on the outside.

FIAF
06-14-2019, 05:14 PM
Irrelevant, really I think most people don't even like either or I mean it's hard to find people who actually like both these teams. I know there are some.

James17930
06-14-2019, 05:53 PM
I think us winning in 2017 spurred on MLSE to push harder with the Raps. Tannenbaum tasted winning and wanted more. Plus he saw how much winning does for the value of the club.

If not for us in 2017, maybe the Raps don't trade for Kawhi.

ensco
06-14-2019, 07:35 PM
Good quiz. I voted plus 1 but it really should be plus 2. Toronto got more international profile as a city than it ever has at any point in its history. By far. Marc Gasol on the front page of the Barcelona sports pages kissing the trophy as an example.

At the margin it must help land a player or two. Like Canary said.

It's a minus three for the Leafs. Highlights something that should worry the NHL but seemingly doesn’t - the huge vacuum created by a system that has an all US final in 21 of the last 25 years. This Canada-wide celebration isn’t just about the Raps - the NHL has literally stopped caring about its core market.

TFC1986
06-14-2019, 09:05 PM
Lol, won't do nothing for TFC.

stegosaurus
06-14-2019, 09:07 PM
Lol, won't do nothing for TFC.

Won’t do nothing = will do something.

Ultra & Proud
06-14-2019, 10:47 PM
It's a minus three for the Leafs. Highlights something that should worry the NHL but seemingly doesn’t - the huge vacuum created by a system that has an all US final in 21 of the last 25 years. This Canada-wide celebration isn’t just about the Raps - the NHL has literally stopped caring about its core market.

I don't care at all about hockey or the Leafs but this is really a thing now. NHL starting the downward slide.

Auzzy
06-14-2019, 11:58 PM
As others have said, I think this could definitely have an impact on visibility and marketability for TFC, as a destination for players. There is lots of cross-over interest between footy and basketball among the players. We've seen the significant involvement of current TFC players, within the arena & at Jurassic Park. In addition to the current TFC players, I have also noticed a number of former TFC players mention the Raptor's on social media (or even show up at games). The Raptor's success, and common ownership, could definitely be seen as a perk for some players during recruitment.

There's lots of common interest between Raptors and TFC among fans as well, as we saw when they showed the Raptor's game at BMO Field. Both crowds skew young & multi-cultural. I don't think that will have much of an impact on TFC, positive or negative. However if Raptors and TFC games are scheduled at the same time in the future, I could see TFC viewership dwindle even further, at least as long as the Raptors' bandwagon stays strong.

One more thing: people are noticing a significant uptick in basketball interest among youth players. That could definitely compete with footy's popularity, although it would take a long time before that affects TFC.

Oh, and no luck recruiting Spicy P's brothers for TFC. They all played basketball before him, and earned scholarships to NCAA Division I schools. (Pascal started playing basketball very late, after age 15!)

stegosaurus
06-15-2019, 08:53 AM
As others have said, I think this could definitely have an impact on visibility and marketability for TFC, as a destination for players. There is lots of cross-over interest between footy and basketball among the players. We've seen the significant involvement of current TFC players, within the arena & at Jurassic Park. In addition to the current TFC players, I have also noticed a number of former TFC players mention the Raptor's on social media (or even show up at games). The Raptor's success, and common ownership, could definitely be seen as a perk for some players during recruitment.

There's lots of common interest between Raptors and TFC among fans as well, as we saw when they showed the Raptor's game at BMO Field. Both crowds skew young & multi-cultural. I don't think that will have much of an impact on TFC, positive or negative. However if Raptors and TFC games are scheduled at the same time in the future, I could see TFC viewership dwindle even further, at least as long as the Raptors' bandwagon stays strong.

One more thing: people are noticing a significant uptick in basketball interest among youth players. That could definitely compete with footy's popularity, although it would take a long time before that affects TFC.

Oh, and no luck recruiting Spicy P's brothers for TFC. They all played basketball before him, and earned scholarships to NCAA Division I schools. (Pascal started playing basketball very late, after age 15!)

Football/soccer and hockey have the same issues in Canada, namely that they cost a lot of money, especially at higher levels.

The reason football is popular in places with large scale poverty in general is the same reason basketball is popular here. In Toronto, for example, you’re not legally allowed to play with a ball in a park without a permit.

So much so, in fact, that football has become the de facto fake sport to play for wealthy people’s kids buying their way into prestigious colleges and universities despite never having played it.

I honestly don’t think hockey is in that much of a downslide aside the cost factor. Outside of Toronto/Vancouver hockey is massive, especially the more rural you get. I play shinny with friends all winter, rinks in the city are well-used, and the kids on my street all play street hockey despite the fact that probably none of them are Canadian (in terms of heritage).

A Canadian team winning a cup has nothing to do with the waxing or waning popularity of a sport. Kids don’t watch sports on TV like adults do; they play them. Yeah, it’s under the parents’ insistance, and despite football’s growing popularity hockey isn’t much of a slouch in that department.

Only sport that’s going to disappear in the near future is hand egg, which, coincidentally, is also played by the poorest demographic in the US. People who want the “violence” have migrated to MMA, and parents probably don’t want their kids growing up to be vegetable equivalents.

Edit: it’s like rock vs rap vs pop music with more brain trauma.

JonO
06-15-2019, 09:26 AM
In Toronto, for example, you’re not legally allowed to play with a ball in a park without a permit.
Not quite sure where you get that...

Ultra & Proud
06-15-2019, 09:55 AM
Not quite sure where you get that...
There are a lot of places with street signs that say no ball playing. I see them randomly, lots in the beaches and upper beaches areas. Not sure if it's enforced but they have the signs up.

ensco
06-15-2019, 09:59 AM
Football/soccer and hockey have the same issues in Canada, namely that they cost a lot of money, especially at higher levels.

The reason football is popular in places with large scale poverty in general is the same reason basketball is popular here. In Toronto, for example, you’re not legally allowed to play with a ball in a park without a permit.

So much so, in fact, that football has become the de facto fake sport to play for wealthy people’s kids buying their way into prestigious colleges and universities despite never having played it.

I honestly don’t think hockey is in that much of a downslide aside the cost factor. Outside of Toronto/Vancouver hockey is massive, especially the more rural you get. I play shinny with friends all winter, rinks in the city are well-used, and the kids on my street all play street hockey despite the fact that probably none of them are Canadian (in terms of heritage).

A Canadian team winning a cup has nothing to do with the waxing or waning popularity of a sport. Kids don’t watch sports on TV like adults do; they play them. Yeah, it’s under the parents’ insistance, and despite football’s growing popularity hockey isn’t much of a slouch in that department.

Only sport that’s going to disappear in the near future is hand egg, which, coincidentally, is also played by the poorest demographic in the US. People who want the “violence” have migrated to MMA, and parents probably don’t want their kids growing up to be vegetable equivalents.

Edit: it’s like rock vs rap vs pop music with more brain trauma.

Hockey will always be "massive" in Canada. Especially outside the big cities. Similar to baseball in the US.

But I think the NHL is clearly not taking care of its best customers very well, and will pay for that down the line. Just dumb business decisions.

stegosaurus
06-15-2019, 10:06 AM
Not quite sure where you get that...

Municipal bylaws. You need a permit to play sports at the park.

stegosaurus
06-15-2019, 10:11 AM
Hockey will always be "massive" in Canada. Especially outside the big cities. Similar to baseball in the US.

But I think the NHL is clearly not taking care of its best customers very well, and will pay for that down the line. Just dumb business decisions.

I don’t disagree, but Leafs will still draw a packed arena and tons of bucks for so long that MLSE doesn’t need another strategy (although they are striving towards a winning culture — it’s just harder in hockey than it is in MLS).

ensco
06-15-2019, 10:16 AM
I don’t disagree, but Leafs will still draw a packed arena and tons of bucks for so long that MLSE doesn’t need another strategy (although they are striving towards a winning culture — it’s just harder in hockey than it is in MLS).

Sure. But the NHL are going to wake up in 5-10 years with the large majority of the young/urban market, and half the market in Canada, declaring that bball is their number one sport. They will be MLB.

That is stupid failure on an epic level. They have given millions of natural hardcores nothing to really cheer about for a generation.

stegosaurus
06-15-2019, 10:54 AM
Sure. But the NHL are going to wake up in 5-10 years with the large majority of the young/urban market, and half the market in Canada, declaring that bball is their number one sport. They will be MLB.

That is stupid failure on an epic level. They have given millions of natural hardcores nothing to really cheer about for a generation.

That’s why MLSE owns every sporting franchise that could possibly make money. It’s like the guy posting about how much of a waste our DPs are when our roster and meaningless to MLSE, and just owning the franchise is a guaranteed investment at this point, essentially.

Canada’s urban/youth population, especially in the two big anglophone cities are not even “Canadian” to the extent they feel an affinity by osmosis for hockey, which is the same reason Tim Hortons or the CFL still exist despite not being able to find a single person who likes or patronizes TH (unless it’s spontaneous) or the CFL (or even knows it exists).

For example: Chinese people love basketball. They don’t care about hockey in general (though all the Chinese kids on my street play street hockey and some of my CBC friends play hockey), and they’re incredibly fickle when it comes to football. Basketball (or NFL in the States) is also the sport for the disenfranchised in North America whereas in the rest of the world it’s football. Just on generalizations from experience.

Baseball is in the same tier because it’s an older demographic white North American sport (except Japan, Cuba, etc.). May as well be golf at this point.

A Stanley cup would be great, but MLSE has changed the culture of the Leafs and seems to be striving towards that.

The bigger question is:

Why does MLSE own the Argos, a team no one cares about, in a sport no one cares about, in an irrelevant league, whose fans don’t even reside in the city they play in? Is the Argos budget more than one Jozy?

Ultra & Proud
06-15-2019, 10:56 AM
Sure. But the NHL are going to wake up in 5-10 years with the large majority of the young/urban market, and half the market in Canada, declaring that bball is their number one sport.

I think that's already happening. I think most of the younger market is already heading towards bball, baseball somewhat but the Jays are making it tough, and football as it's growing rapidly with the CPL and some MLS success. The fact that an average young person probably can't afford (or would want to afford) to go to a Leafs game is bad for their product. I think that's why baseball and football have made strides, because they're affordable for families and young folks.

I think in 10 years NHL will be heading the CFL route but not as shit obviously. Isolated pockets of high interest and most of those people will be older.

JonO
06-15-2019, 10:57 AM
There are a lot of places with street signs that say no ball playing. I see them randomly, lots in the beaches and upper beaches areas. Not sure if it's enforced but they have the signs up.
Parks though...


Municipal bylaws. You need a permit to play sports at the park.
You need a permit to play organized sports. To my knowledge there is nothing stopping anyone from going to the park and kicking a ball around. Beside, unless you bump up against someone with an actual permit, even an "organized" game will likely not run into any issues.

The bigger problem is that most kids still are not that interested in soccer. Much easier to get a pickup game of ball hockey, baseball or basketball going than a soccer game....

Ultra & Proud
06-15-2019, 11:00 AM
Is the Argos budget more than one Jozy?
CFL cap was $5.2M last season and no one went over it. So it's probably close to what Jozy got last year.

stegosaurus
06-15-2019, 11:10 AM
Parks though...


You need a permit to play organized sports. To my knowledge there is nothing stopping anyone from going to the park and kicking a ball around. Beside, unless you bump up against someone with an actual permit, even an "organized" game will likely not run into any issues.

The bigger problem is that most kids still are not that interested in soccer. Much easier to get a pickup game of ball hockey, baseball or basketball going than a soccer game....

Ah yes, the foundational moment where the next Messi plays keep it up in a park by him/herself.

You need a permit to play ball sports point blank. You can scrawl a mural on Queen’s Park or stab someone in the head with a ski pole but that doesn’t make it legal, even if no one finds out.

Also, tons of kids are actually interested in football. More than something like baseball, for that matter.

stegosaurus
06-15-2019, 11:16 AM
CFL cap was $5.2M last season and no one went over it. So it's probably close to what Jozy got last year.

At least MLSE isn’t wasting Canadians’ hard-earned poor buying power telecom oligopoly dollars on an irrelevant franchise in an irrelevant sport then.

Ultra & Proud
06-15-2019, 11:25 AM
At least MLSE isn’t wasting Canadians’ hard-earned poor buying power telecom oligopoly dollars on an irrelevant franchise in an irrelevant sport then.
Which makes it interesting how much money they are losing when paying out next to nothing.

I agree with you though. Why bother? I get the TV ratings are good but that's going to start falling fast when the CFL generation starts dying off and that's coming soon.

In reality, the whole league should just fold. It's just too regional and on the downward.

JonO
06-15-2019, 11:37 AM
You need a permit to play ball sports point blank.
Once again the bylaw is against organized sport. If a bunch of kids show up and play football in the park, it is perfectly legal.

stegosaurus
06-15-2019, 11:44 AM
Once again the bylaw is against organized sport. If a bunch of kids show up and play football in the park, it is perfectly legal.

Are you incapable of admitting you’re wrong?

That’s what organized sport is, lol. I’m not saying it’s enforced or that it’s justified, just that the bylaw curbing sports in parks exists.

If a bunch of adults show up and play football in the park it isn’t legal either. If a kid stabs someone in the head with a ski pole it’s not okay either. I can play obnoxiously loud music at 4am and no one is going to arrest me either despite it being against bylaws.

Ultra & Proud
06-15-2019, 11:44 AM
Once again the bylaw is against organized sport. If a bunch of kids show up and play football in the park, it is perfectly legal.
Not always if it's a schoolyard though. I've been kicked out of the one by my house for having a pick up game of burby there.

stegosaurus
06-15-2019, 01:10 PM
Not always if it's a schoolyard though. I've been kicked out of the one by my house for having a pick up game of burby there.

A schoolyard is a bit different, but “organized sport” just means sports with rules, and is a legal euphemism for basically everything that isn’t jogging or whatever.

rydermike
06-15-2019, 02:04 PM
I feel like in the short-term it will help us on international recruiting (like how they took Pozo to games, can brag you're going to see the defending champs) but hurt domestically in terms of casual fans watching and buying tickets (although the Blue Jays being terrible helps us in this manner )

FIAF
06-15-2019, 02:40 PM
That’s why MLSE owns every sporting franchise that could possibly make money. It’s like the guy posting about how much of a waste our DPs are when our roster and meaningless to MLSE, and just owning the franchise is a guaranteed investment at this point, essentially.

Canada’s urban/youth population, especially in the two big anglophone cities are not even “Canadian” to the extent they feel an affinity by osmosis for hockey, which is the same reason Tim Hortons or the CFL still exist despite not being able to find a single person who likes or patronizes TH (unless it’s spontaneous) or the CFL (or even knows it exists).

For example: Chinese people love basketball. They don’t care about hockey in general (though all the Chinese kids on my street play street hockey and some of my CBC friends play hockey), and they’re incredibly fickle when it comes to football. Basketball (or NFL in the States) is also the sport for the disenfranchised in North America whereas in the rest of the world it’s football. Just on generalizations from experience.

Baseball is in the same tier because it’s an older demographic white North American sport (except Japan, Cuba, etc.). May as well be golf at this point.

A Stanley cup would be great, but MLSE has changed the culture of the Leafs and seems to be striving towards that.

The bigger question is:

Why does MLSE own the Argos, a team no one cares about, in a sport no one cares about, in an irrelevant league, whose fans don’t even reside in the city they play in? Is the Argos budget more than one Jozy?

I don't like handegg as much as the next football fan but you gotta respect it being canadian only and the history.

OgtheDim
06-15-2019, 04:11 PM
Not sure I would question Tim Horton's long term viability based on multi-culturalism? Yes, Tims is ubiquitous but when a McD's is with a Tims in a mall food court, the Tim's is busier for coffee in the morning.

Tims is now everywhere in this city for a reason - most people have no idea how coffee should taste & thus mask it with sugar & creme.

******

Which reminds me - how come I can't get a decent cup of coffee from a brand at BMO?

SoccMan2
06-15-2019, 05:52 PM
No effect at all , TFC is a very niche thing. It is what it is , just be happy that a pro soccer team that plays in maybe the 10th. best soccer league in the world gets decent crowds of 20000 or more a game. Like someone mentioned there are Toronto sports fans that follow the Raptors, Leafs and Jays that don’t even know what TFC is . As a hardcore soccer fan I’m jealous that the sport I love is not even close or probably never be close to popularity as the other big three sports. Moreover, I’m so jealous at how the Raptors turned this city upside down with their run to the championship. So jealous at the celebration I witnessed all over the Toronto area after the Raptors won, something I didn’t witness when TFC won the MLS Cup where after leaving the stadium that night after the MLS Cup I saw no celebrations anywhere in Toronto streets . I know I shouldn’t care lol but I cared . I guess I should just be happy that we have a pro soccer team in Toronto that is at least a bit relevant compared to all the years that we had no team at all. I get it lol but it still bothers me lol it’s just the way I’m made up .

Red CB Toronto
06-15-2019, 10:12 PM
It is what it is. Thursday night was nuts. I am not even much of a basketball fan, a casual observer but I was drawn down to watching in one of the overflow areas of Jurassic Park down Bremner. When they won I took it all in walking from Scotia Bank Arena up to College and Yonge and it was nuts, the sheer number of people out, especially in and around Dundas Square. Even when I got off the subway at Yonge and Eg. it was still going on strong. On the other hand the night of the MLS Cup once you left the BMO Field/Liberty Village area ie Shoeless Joes you never would have known the Reds had just won the Championship. Even with all the media coverage they had received during the playoffs it was not enough to get the city to care in mass. I have always said since 2007 Toronto FC was a in stadium experience for most people in the stadium. It was two hours of entertainment and then they went on with their lives. I don't see much of correlation between the Raps success and having any real effect for the Reds. Hey the big question for me is if the Raps have a bad season or two do they fall back to nights of 14-13K or less in the building or are they beyond that point ala the Leafs. Heck a lot of us here will remember the perk of being a TFC season ticket holder, a pair of lower bowl tickets to a Raptors game.

Redcoe15
06-16-2019, 11:35 AM
The Raptors success will have zero influence on TFC.

C.Ronaldo
06-17-2019, 11:41 AM
Won’t do nothing = will do something.

I think he meant it ain't wont do nothing

C.Ronaldo
06-17-2019, 11:43 AM
Ah yes, the foundational moment where the next Messi plays keep it up in a park by him/herself.

You need a permit to play ball sports point blank. You can scrawl a mural on Queen’s Park or stab someone in the head with a ski pole but that doesn’t make it legal, even if no one finds out.

Also, tons of kids are actually interested in football. More than something like baseball, for that matter.

my local park always has kids playing pickup soccer. sadly, the run circles around me

C.Ronaldo
06-17-2019, 11:46 AM
It is what it is. Thursday night was nuts. I am not even much of a basketball fan, a casual observer but I was drawn down to watching in one of the overflow areas of Jurassic Park down Bremner. When they won I took it all in walking from Scotia Bank Arena up to College and Yonge and it was nuts, the sheer number of people out, especially in and around Dundas Square. Even when I got off the subway at Yonge and Eg. it was still going on strong. On the other hand the night of the MLS Cup once you left the BMO Field/Liberty Village area ie Shoeless Joes you never would have known the Reds had just won the Championship. Even with all the media coverage they had received during the playoffs it was not enough to get the city to care in mass. I have always said since 2007 Toronto FC was a in stadium experience for most people in the stadium. It was two hours of entertainment and then they went on with their lives. I don't see much of correlation between the Raps success and having any real effect for the Reds. Hey the big question for me is if the Raps have a bad season or two do they fall back to nights of 14-13K or less in the building or are they beyond that point ala the Leafs. Heck a lot of us here will remember the perk of being a TFC season ticket holder, a pair of lower bowl tickets to a Raptors game.

holy sht, i forgot about those tickets.
im guessing those wont be available to us anytime soon

flambe
06-17-2019, 03:40 PM
holy sht, i forgot about those tickets.
im guessing those wont be available to us anytime soon

I remember that, lol. Place was half empty, still more fun than the leafs though.
:)

Leedsoronto
06-17-2019, 06:28 PM
Maybe the TFC success reflected onto the Raptors ehh hmmm !

Mike_S
06-18-2019, 10:30 AM
No effect at all , TFC is a very niche thing. It is what it is , just be happy that a pro soccer team that plays in maybe the 10th. best soccer league in the world gets decent crowds of 20000 or more a game. Like someone mentioned there are Toronto sports fans that follow the Raptors, Leafs and Jays that don’t even know what TFC is . As a hardcore soccer fan I’m jealous that the sport I love is not even close or probably never be close to popularity as the other big three sports. Moreover, I’m so jealous at how the Raptors turned this city upside down with their run to the championship. So jealous at the celebration I witnessed all over the Toronto area after the Raptors won, something I didn’t witness when TFC won the MLS Cup where after leaving the stadium that night after the MLS Cup I saw no celebrations anywhere in Toronto streets . I know I shouldn’t care lol but I cared . I guess I should just be happy that we have a pro soccer team in Toronto that is at least a bit relevant compared to all the years that we had no team at all. I get it lol but it still bothers me lol it’s just the way I’m made up .

Yeah, Liberty Village was great but I remember friends and I driving around downtown that night and it was typical Saturday traffic. We cared too LOL!!

I am more hopeful than you are. I don't know how old you are but the increase in the popularity of the sport at least here in the GTA has been amazing during the past 25 years. Coverage of the local game was NON-EXISTENT back then. It may take another 25 years for the needle to be moved again significantly but the game is doing okay right now IMHO.

C.Ronaldo
06-18-2019, 01:27 PM
Yeah, Liberty Village was great but I remember friends and I driving around downtown that night and it was typical Saturday traffic. We cared too LOL!!

I am more hopeful than you are. I don't know how old you are but the increase in the popularity of the sport at least here in the GTA has been amazing during the past 25 years. Coverage of the local game was NON-EXISTENT back then. It may take another 25 years for the needle to be moved again significantly but the game is doing okay right now IMHO.

the same thing was being said back then
"why you watching this garbage"

and make no mistake, for the longest time it was garbage outside the excitement of the Vince Carter years.

BelfastBoy
06-18-2019, 02:01 PM
I watched game 6 of the Final at Jurassic Park West in Mississauga. Saw quite a bit of TFC gear on people.

Makes me think there is quite a bit of overlap between the fan bases. Although the Raps Championship will have no effect on TFC directly, I like to think 2017 was the prelude to this Raptors victory.

C.Ronaldo
06-18-2019, 03:52 PM
I watched game 6 of the Final at Jurassic Park West in Mississauga. Saw quite a bit of TFC gear on people.

Makes me think there is quite a bit of overlap between the fan bases. Although the Raps Championship will have no effect on TFC directly, I like to think 2017 was the prelude to this Raptors victory.

I'm very surprised there is no Brampton-Mississauga parade / presentation

TFC07
06-18-2019, 06:00 PM
I watched game 6 of the Final at Jurassic Park West in Mississauga. Saw quite a bit of TFC gear on people.

Makes me think there is quite a bit of overlap between the fan bases. Although the Raps Championship will have no effect on TFC directly, I like to think 2017 was the prelude to this Raptors victory.

I think Manning was one to say there's overlap between two fanbases similar to Leafs and Argos.

Given both TFC and Raptor players go to each other games and generally supporting each other, it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone on here. For an example, Siakam was wearing TFC jersey during one of his press conferences not too long ago.

Fort York Redcoat
06-18-2019, 06:32 PM
I don't like handegg as much as the next football fan but you gotta respect it being canadian only and the history.

History, yes.

Canadian only, not by a long shot.

Canadian Premier league isn't even Canadian only but they at least put Canadians more forward.

i didn't vote.

It's pretty apparent that if the Raptors affected TFC it would be less of a deal for us. Still more of a deal than TFC winning it better before the Raptors did it.

jazzy
06-18-2019, 09:27 PM
Not sure I would question Tim Horton's long term viability based on multi-culturalism? Yes, Tims is ubiquitous but when a McD's is with a Tims in a mall food court, the Tim's is busier for coffee in the morning.

Tims is now everywhere in this city for a reason - most people have no idea how coffee should taste & thus mask it with sugar & creme.

******

Which reminds me - how come I can't get a decent cup of coffee from a brand at BMO?

Or tea ?

JT Red127
06-19-2019, 11:12 AM
I think Manning was one to say there's overlap between two fanbases similar to Leafs and Argos.



Think thats simplifying it a bit. I don't know many younger Leaf fans who care that the Argos exist. You saw Leaf players at every Raps Playoff game, and through the year. Different people like different things, its cool.
Bringing this back to TFC, they didn't do themselves any favours expanding the fan base last season, they need to be good again to grow things. TFC I think was, maybe still is, slowly expanding that fan base across the city but last year was definitely a set back. We'll see what's still to come this year. Otherwise you stay with the same 23,000 at every match and very small TV viewership.

Oldtimer
06-19-2019, 12:02 PM
I think Manning was one to say there's overlap between two fanbases similar to Leafs and Argos.

Given both TFC and Raptor players go to each other games and generally supporting each other, it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone on here. For an example, Siakam was wearing TFC jersey during one of his press conferences not too long ago.


Think thats simplifying it a bit. I don't know many younger Leaf fans who care that the Argos exist. You saw Leaf players at every Raps Playoff game, and through the year. Different people like different things, its cool.
Bringing this back to TFC, they didn't do themselves any favours expanding the fan base last season, they need to be good again to grow things. TFC I think was, maybe still is, slowly expanding that fan base across the city but last year was definitely a set back. We'll see what's still to come this year. Otherwise you stay with the same 23,000 at every match and very small TV viewership.

It's age-related. Among people aged 60+ there's a pretty good overlap between Argos and Leafs, and the Boomer demographic is huge for TV. I have some friends in that age range. Most couldn't care less that the Raptors won.

I expect that younger Leafs fans (under 30) would be more into Raptors and TFC.

JT Red127
06-19-2019, 12:33 PM
It's age-related. Among people aged 60+ there's a pretty good overlap between Argos and Leafs, and the Boomer demographic is huge for TV. I have some friends in that age range. Most couldn't care less that the Raptors won.

I expect that younger Leafs fans (under 30) would be more into Raptors and TFC.

I'd put that more to 40 and under. I'm 41, never had an interest in the Argos in my life, I dont know any of my friends that have. Raptors? That was pretty big for most of my friends growing up, we were old enough to get to games at the Skydome on our own, and grewup watching Jordan, Bird, Magic and Isaiah. Then we had a team of our own. Same story when TFC came along.

OgtheDim
06-19-2019, 01:19 PM
Bringing this back to TFC, they didn't do themselves any favours expanding the fan base last season, they need to be good again to grow things. TFC I think was, maybe still is, slowly expanding that fan base across the city but last year was definitely a setback. We'll see what's still to come this year. Otherwise, you stay with the same 23,000 at every match and very small TV viewership.


The base being 23K is actually amazing considering the year we went through. We got 23.5K after a demoralising loss 3 days before in Utah, against a no-name San Jose team on a Sunday night.

I think it could go down if there were years of Jays level mediocrity no hopeness but this braintrust is not cool with that.

stegosaurus
06-19-2019, 01:33 PM
I'd put that more to 40 and under. I'm 41, never had an interest in the Argos in my life, I dont know any of my friends that have. Raptors? That was pretty big for most of my friends growing up, we were old enough to get to games at the Skydome on our own, and grewup watching Jordan, Bird, Magic and Isaiah. Then we had a team of our own. Same story when TFC came along.

All you need to know about sports you can learn from the Pro Stars cartoon:

Hockey exists. Wayne Gretzky.
Basketball exists. Michael Jordan.
Baseball and football were encompassed by a single character who has slipped into irrelevance despite being the god of Tecmo Super Bowl: Bo Jackson.

We devoured that cereal despite it being Lucky Charms without marshmallows, but it was kind of prescient in looking at the eventual “downfalls” of sports like baseball and gridiron football that we’re seeing nowadays, at least in terms of what we see nowaday in Toronto.

The Raptors didn’t exist back then, but basketball for this specific generation was always a thing. People played it, it was cheap, plenty of people had basketball nets in their driveways (something I actually don’t see very often in the city), NBA Jam was huge, Jordan, the Bulls, etc.

Baseball was big too, but you could never find enough people to actually play, and you see it today with less kids out with bats and gloves and the diamonds being used for beer league or corporate softball events if at all.

You may see someone throw a football, but how often do you see a group of kids playing gridiron outdoors? Even in Toronto, the most I ever hear about the NFL is super bowl commercials or whether someone likes/dislikes the Patriots. That’s about it.

In the early days the “no one cares about the Raptors” crowd was mostly the older generation who were never into basketball. It wasn’t kids buying tickets to go to the game. Those kids grew up and now basketball is more relevant in the city.

As time goes on, a lot of the sports that benefited from a North American boomer economy and stay at home TV watching lifestyle will suffer to figure out another way of presenting themselves to younger generations — the Raptors are a good example.

I don’t know a single person my age who likes NFL beyond watching the Super Bowl superficially for commercials or an equally superficial love/hatred for the Patriots. For baseball, I know a couple of people who are really into it, but in general it’s people who remember the Jays double and get in on the hype when they’re doing well — not people who follow the league, or watch all the games.

The whole Argos/TFC thing was at least relevant, because you have the “young” “urban” “international sport” team with bad traditional media numbers versus a team doing better traditional media numbers in a relatively irrelevant league in a sport that is on the decline whose audience is older and more suburban or rural.

Fort York Redcoat
06-23-2019, 09:23 AM
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/252836240162-0-1/s-l1000.jpg

Stego just dated himself.

Well done.

I scarfed plenty of bowls of those unlucky charms man.:thumbsup:

stegosaurus
06-26-2019, 03:18 PM
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/252836240162-0-1/s-l1000.jpg

Stego just dated himself.

Well done.

I scarfed plenty of bowls of those unlucky charms man.:thumbsup:

Haha, good stuff.

Canary10
06-27-2019, 03:31 PM
Thoughtt this was a fun article in light of some of the discussions we had on this thread. Looks like baseball is coming to London for a couple of games:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2019/jun/27/baseball-crowds-london-stadium-mystery-yankees-red-sox