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OgtheDim
05-23-2019, 02:15 PM
Keeping track of the Atomic Ant

Yohan
05-23-2019, 02:27 PM
This is like going through an ex's social media account. lol

OgtheDim
05-23-2019, 02:31 PM
Yeah, except I'm not sure some people can admit the ex broke up with us.

Oldtimer
05-23-2019, 03:37 PM
It seems like the ex is not going to get over the relationship any time soon.

reggie
05-23-2019, 04:06 PM
seba i know you are reading this,so can you give us a daily update on what you had for lunch:drum:

Areathrasher
05-23-2019, 04:48 PM
The thirst

ensco
05-23-2019, 06:03 PM
I want him to work out with the team at Downsview (I mean, why not?).... just because I want to see everybody's head explode.

stevep
05-23-2019, 06:18 PM
I want him to work out with the team at Downsview (I mean, why not?).... just because I want to see everybody's head explode.

I wonder if:
Jozy picked him up at the airport?
If he is going to the raptors game?
Is he going to the TFC game Sunday?

Luanda
05-23-2019, 06:19 PM
I want him to work out with the team at Downsview (I mean, why not?).... just because I want to see everybody's head explode.

Wow, Ensco, now that is pushing it!

OgtheDim
05-23-2019, 07:02 PM
I wonder if:
Jozy picked him up at the airport?
If he is going to the raptors game?
Is he going to the TFC game Sunday?

If they showed him on the screen pre game, it might start the healing process.








or maybe not.

ensco
05-23-2019, 07:13 PM
^He is for sure going to be at the Raps game.

If there is a God, he'll be sitting beside Drake.

Areathrasher
05-23-2019, 07:31 PM
He'll defo have dinner with Jozy and some of the other players some night. One of them will put it on instagram and people will lose their shit.

James17930
05-24-2019, 05:09 AM
Why was my post deleted? It was not anywhere close to being against the forum rules.

Oldtimer
05-24-2019, 07:54 AM
Why was my post deleted? It was not anywhere close to being against the forum rules.

Off topic. It's not about Seba but about the thread itself. You'll noticed that we actioned your complaint and the thread is unstickied. If nobody posts about Seba the thread will disappear to another page in time.

pfk
05-24-2019, 08:00 AM
Out of the loop and not on Instagram. Was Seba in Toronto?

Oldtimer
05-24-2019, 08:01 AM
Out of the loop and not on Instagram. Was Seba in Toronto?

By his pictures it looked like "yes."

pfk
05-24-2019, 08:04 AM
By his pictures it looked like "yes."

Ah. Thanks for letting me know.

Section_105
05-24-2019, 08:37 AM
Hes just here to get another Tattoo at his favourite shop in Yorkville. It will be a CN tower with a heart in place of the pod and the lyrics to "I will Always Love You".

Also probably here to pick up the socks he left at his house when he got out of dodge so fast.

Hi Seba :)

James17930
05-24-2019, 08:51 AM
Off topic. It's not about Seba but about the thread itself. You'll noticed that we actioned your complaint and the thread is unstickied. If nobody posts about Seba the thread will disappear to another page in time.

Well, half of it was about the thread, but the other half was specifically about Giovinco.

But no use re-hashing I suppose. You're right ... and I will just ignore this thread from now on.

Canary10
05-24-2019, 09:53 AM
It's perhaps a little sad that the what is Giovinco up to now thread has more recent activity than the transfer rumours thread.

ensco
05-24-2019, 11:18 AM
It's perhaps a little sad that the what is Giovinco up to now thread has more recent activity than the transfer rumours thread.

It's one and the same, for some of us ;-)

Auzzy
05-24-2019, 11:29 AM
Hes just here to get another Tattoo at his favourite shop in Yorkville. It will be a CN tower with a heart in place of the pod and the lyrics to "I will Always Love You".

Also probably here to pick up the socks he left at his house when he got out of dodge so fast.

Hi Seba :)

This thread definitely needs more Celine Dion :D

OgtheDim
05-24-2019, 12:08 PM
When you want it the most
There's no easy way out
When you're ready to go
And your heart's left in doubt


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6wbugWrfLU

Auzzy
05-24-2019, 12:12 PM
:hump: :D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iREhdloCxUs

Canary10
05-24-2019, 12:48 PM
It's one and the same, for some of us ;-)

Ha ha. True. True.

Section_105
05-24-2019, 02:22 PM
This thread definitely needs more Celine Dion :D
Whitney/Dolly was all I had :)

Section_105
05-24-2019, 02:23 PM
:hump: :D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iREhdloCxUsHAHAHAA, nailed it

jloome
05-25-2019, 06:43 PM
It's one and the same, for some of us ;-)

I've been saying... (if this turns into a self-fulfilling prophecy and he's cheap? Although I honestly question if he's out of gas after last year's finishing run and this year's start at his new club).

Auzzy
05-25-2019, 06:55 PM
HAHAHAA, nailed it

That punt by Jozy, epic!

JonO
05-25-2019, 07:27 PM
^He is for sure going to be at the Raps game.

If there is a God, he'll be sitting beside Drake.
He’s here alright. Sitting next to Superfan though

Red CB Toronto
05-25-2019, 07:35 PM
He’s here alright. Sitting next to Superfan though

So I wonder if he will be back in the house tomorrow night ? You got to believe he will.

Areathrasher
05-25-2019, 08:17 PM
When your ex shows up at the party with an old rich dude

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7dEy32W0AEzpNy?format=jpg&name=medium

JonO
05-25-2019, 08:26 PM
Just showed celebs at the game (including mavinga and pozuelo) then showed superfan and bismack biyombo but not Seba (who is sitting right next to them). Cold

stevep
05-25-2019, 08:32 PM
Just showed celebs at the game (including mavinga and pozuelo) then showed superfan and bismack biyombo but not Seba (who is sitting right next to them). Cold

On free throws you can see Seba sitting under the basket right beside Nav

Auzzy
05-25-2019, 08:41 PM
When your ex shows up at the party with an old rich dude



Caption winner! :D

Auzzy
05-25-2019, 09:04 PM
Just showed celebs at the game (including mavinga and pozuelo) then showed superfan and bismack biyombo but not Seba (who is sitting right next to them). Cold

Giovinco got a shout-out now on Sportsnet in the 3rd quarter.

OgtheDim
05-25-2019, 10:40 PM
I like this.

Seba after he leaves at a Raptors game SELLS this city & sells TFC.

SoccMan2
05-26-2019, 07:24 AM
Well at least he was here last night to see how Toronto celebrates a major sports victory something he didn’t see much of after the 2017 MLS Cup victory where Toronto streets were dead with hardly anyone celebrating.

JuliquE
05-26-2019, 08:26 AM
Well at least he was here last night to see how Toronto celebrates a major sports victory something he didn’t see much of after the 2017 MLS Cup victory where Toronto streets were dead with hardly anyone celebrating.
Who farted in your dinner, man?

Like… what's this post attempting to achieve?

ensco
05-26-2019, 09:13 AM
The Raptors tweeted out everybody there ... except for Seba

https://twitter.com/raptors/status/1132461685749501953?s=21

Red CB Toronto
05-26-2019, 09:24 AM
The Raptors tweeted out everybody there ... except for Seba

https://twitter.com/raptors/status/1132461685749501953?s=21

I wonder if they are told not too, who knows. TSN showed and mentioned him in the broadcast.

Canary10
05-26-2019, 10:35 AM
Can we join this thread back up with the transfer rumours thread? He’s sooo coming back.

Bushmancan
05-26-2019, 04:17 PM
Only if he gets Canadian Citizenship (so he is domestic) and signs as a TAM.... so in other words not going to happen.

noimpactinmtl
05-26-2019, 04:24 PM
Only if he gets Canadian Citizenship (so he is domestic) and signs as a TAM.... so in other words not going to happen.

Only way for it to happen is for him to pull a DeRo and do a retirement season.

stevep
05-26-2019, 06:54 PM
Only way for it to happen is for him to pull a DeRo and do a retirement season.
Couldn't he be on the allocation list?

metaxa
05-26-2019, 07:52 PM
Giovinco at tfc game

zorsofstesab
05-26-2019, 08:48 PM
I am confused :confused:. Gio writes a scathing post upon his departure from TFC. Trashes just about everyone involved with his contract negotiations (yeah yeah, I know his manager likely wrote it....BS :mad:). Now he returns to Toronto, sits courtside at the Raptors game last night, gets no TV recognition like others, including Pozeulo, Mavinga, Sanchez and Pinball. He was sitting next to superfan who was recognized but the camera went the other direction away from Gio. Tonight he is sitting in the MLSE box with Manning? All smiles. Waving to the crowd. wtf am I missing here? Did they kiss and make up? Is he back looking to play for TFC again? Can he even be allowed to come back?

Oh, BTW, what happened in Saudi Arabia? You know the glorious league where prime time players go and play?

noimpactinmtl
05-26-2019, 08:50 PM
I am confused :confused:. Gio writes a scathing post upon his departure from TFC. Trashes just about everyone involved with his contract negotiations (yeah yeah, I know his manager likely wrote it....BS :mad:). Now he returns to Toronto, sits courtside at the Raptors game last night, gets no TV recognition like others, including Pozeulo, Mavinga, Sanchez and Pinball. He was sitting next to superfan who was recognized but the camera went the other direction away from Gio. Tonight he is sitting in the MLSE box with Manning? All smiles. Waving to the crowd. wtf am I missing here? Did they kiss and make up? Is he back looking to play for TFC again? Can he even be allowed to come back?

Oh, BTW, what happened in Saudi Arabia? You know the glorious league where prime time players go and play?

Their season ended two weeks ago. Gio and Manning understood it was all business. The IG post was just an attempt to play fan sentiments (which sort of worked).

Auzzy
05-26-2019, 10:02 PM
I am confused :confused:. Gio writes a scathing post upon his departure from TFC. Trashes just about everyone involved with his contract negotiations (yeah yeah, I know his manager likely wrote it....BS :mad:). Now he returns to Toronto, sits courtside at the Raptors game last night, gets no TV recognition like others, including Pozeulo, Mavinga, Sanchez and Pinball. He was sitting next to superfan who was recognized but the camera went the other direction away from Gio. Tonight he is sitting in the MLSE box with Manning? All smiles. Waving to the crowd. wtf am I missing here? Did they kiss and make up? Is he back looking to play for TFC again? Can he even be allowed to come back?

Oh, BTW, what happened in Saudi Arabia? You know the glorious league where prime time players go and play?

Seba did get featured on TV in the 2nd half of the Raptors game.

Manning already met Seba's agent in Italy a couple of months ago. Bizness is bizness. Life goes on.

stegosaurus
05-26-2019, 11:04 PM
Their season ended two weeks ago. Gio and Manning understood it was all business. The IG post was just an attempt to play fan sentiments (which sort of worked).

His latest IG caption: 6️⃣🏠

TFC1986
05-27-2019, 02:58 AM
Talked to Sebastian and Manning yesterday. He ain't coming back. (Sorry for the dreamers out there).
Where he plays is a Muslim country. Which you are not allowed to eat, drink or play music in public. Even as a non Muslim. So he clearly has just left for a bit. For the month of Ramadan.
He has picked up a few words in Arabic, which is sort of cool.

Canary10
05-27-2019, 08:28 AM
Talked to Sebastian and Manning yesterday. He ain't coming back. (Sorry for the dreamers out there).
Where he plays is a Muslim country. Which you are not allowed to eat, drink or play music in public. Even as a non Muslim. So he clearly has just left for a bit. For the month of Ramadan.
He has picked up a few words in Arabic, which is sort of cool.

I believe everything you said except the bolded part.

backbeat
05-27-2019, 10:02 AM
Talked to Sebastian and Manning yesterday. He ain't coming back. (Sorry for the dreamers out there).
Where he plays is a Muslim country. Which you are not allowed to eat, drink or play music in public. Even as a non Muslim. So he clearly has just left for a bit. For the month of Ramadan.
He has picked up a few words in Arabic, which is sort of cool.

it's not like they're going to say, 'for sure, that's what we're talking about but keep it quiet until we announce, ok?'

stevep
05-27-2019, 10:17 AM
it's not like they're going to say, 'for sure, that's what we're talking about but keep it quiet until we announce, ok?'

Exactly. Why in the world would they announce it to you first.

noimpactinmtl
05-27-2019, 10:19 AM
His latest IG caption: 6️⃣

I was talking about this post (https://www.instagram.com/p/BtSUW-UgLT7/?igshid=1ilvqtja4294p).

burlington Red
05-27-2019, 10:21 AM
it's not like they're going to say, 'for sure, that's what we're talking about but keep it quiet until we announce, ok?'


maybe he said "i'm not coming back" and then winked at him.

Auzzy
05-27-2019, 11:02 AM
Talked to Sebastian and Manning yesterday. He ain't coming back. (Sorry for the dreamers out there).
Where he plays is a Muslim country. Which you are not allowed to eat, drink or play music in public. Even as a non Muslim. So he clearly has just left for a bit. For the month of Ramadan.
He has picked up a few words in Arabic, which is sort of cool.

https://images.app.goo.gl/u4e2uiLrtHbvSPPy8https://i.imgur.com/ex0rqf4.jpg

Joe Kool
05-27-2019, 11:26 AM
it's not like they're going to say, 'for sure, that's what we're talking about but keep it quiet until we announce, ok?'

LOL.

Section_105
05-27-2019, 11:27 AM
maybe he said "i'm not coming back" and then winked at him.

I'd go with this. he also said he was going for treatment on a hamstring and ended up getting sold to Saudi. maybe he's back and the wicked sandwiches in the box have him thinking he's missing the good life.

JuliquE
05-27-2019, 01:46 PM
https://images.app.goo.gl/u4e2uiLrtHbvSPPy8https://i.imgur.com/ex0rqf4.jpg
LMAO Perfect.

Slick
05-27-2019, 04:58 PM
What if al-Hilal loaned him to us for their off season. Now that would be something else.

shwade
05-29-2019, 09:11 AM
Too many egos involved to see this one going through.

Auzzy
06-07-2019, 03:19 PM
Seba sighting at King & Spadina. :D

stegosaurus
06-07-2019, 03:35 PM
Seba sighting at King & Spadina. :D

Definitely not for the Raps. He’s coming to solve our injury and national team call up issues by donning an eyepatch and wig.

Joe Vinco.

No one will ever know.

portu
06-07-2019, 03:52 PM
Definitely not for the Raps. He’s coming to solve our injury and national team call up issues by donning an eyepatch and wig.

Joe Vinco.

No one will ever know.

This is good shit haha

Lil'John
06-07-2019, 04:16 PM
His son's school term ends this coming week, and then he'll be gone.

Section_105
06-10-2019, 09:50 AM
Definitely not for the Raps. He’s coming to solve our injury and national team call up issues by donning an eyepatch and wig.

Joe Vinco.

No one will ever know.
He can't have the 10 so he'll wear the "01'

may need to put this on a jersey if I find one cheap. well played.

shwade
06-10-2019, 03:19 PM
He can't have the 10 so he'll wear the "01'

may need to put this on a jersey if I find one cheap. well played.

He turned the 6 upside down it's a 9 now.

JuliquE
06-10-2019, 04:05 PM
He turned the 6 upside down it's a 9 now.
Keychain go jang-a-lang…

stevep
06-13-2019, 03:19 PM
Heres an interesting idea:
can you cut players July 7th?
if you can cut


Alex Bono
$350,000
$382,000


Drew Moor
$375,000
$375,000




Eriq Zavaleta
$275,004
$296,962


Auro
$225,000
$276,667


Marky Delgado
$253,000
$253,000


Terrence Boyd
$190,000
$213,833




this frees up $1.8 million put any scrubs to replace these guys, use the money plus tam money sign giovinco

when all our starters start LAFC can't beat us
when our starters are missing we can't beat Colorado

I could live with that.

Oldtimer
06-13-2019, 03:35 PM
Heres an interesting idea:
can you cut players July 7th?
if you can cut


Alex Bono
$350,000
$382,000


Drew Moor
$375,000
$375,000




Eriq Zavaleta
$275,004
$296,962


Auro
$225,000
$276,667


Marky Delgado
$253,000
$253,000


Terrence Boyd
$190,000
$213,833




this frees up $1.8 million put any scrubs to replace these guys, use the money plus tam money sign giovinco

when all our starters start LAFC can't beat us
when our starters are missing we can't beat Colorado

I could live with that.

Lol!
All players who have several years MLS experience have guaranteed contracts. That was a big part of the last CBA.

stegosaurus
06-13-2019, 08:47 PM
Lol!
All players who have several years MLS experience have guaranteed contracts. That was a big part of the last CBA.

He’s clearly trolling, but Auro and Boyd don’t have several years of MLS experience and both aren’t worth their salaries.

Section_105
06-14-2019, 10:11 AM
Heres an interesting idea:
can you cut players July 7th?
if you can cut
.
.
.


Can't just cut. would need to trade them to someone willing to own the whole contract or have the player "mutually agree to end the contract". SO, you could kick them out and not play them but we damn sure have to pay them and it goes against the cap.

stevep
06-14-2019, 01:11 PM
He’s clearly trolling, but Auro and Boyd don’t have several years of MLS experience and both aren’t worth their salaries.

I'm no trolling. You just can't think out of the box

stevep
06-14-2019, 01:14 PM
Can't just cut. would need to trade them to someone willing to own the whole contract or have the player "mutually agree to end the contract". SO, you could kick them out and not play them but we damn sure have to pay them and it goes against the cap.

Aha that's the problem it goes against the cap.
I thought maybe you could free up the $1.8 million in cap space.

stegosaurus
06-14-2019, 02:19 PM
Aha that's the problem it goes against the cap.
I thought maybe you could free up the $1.8 million in cap space.

Sorry, I thought you were trolling, not that you just didn’t understand how things work.

stevep
06-14-2019, 02:47 PM
Sorry, I thought you were trolling, not that you just didn’t understand how things work.

These MLS rules I cannot figure out.😀

kuku
06-17-2019, 07:39 AM
Let the speculation begin:


Joey Vendetta‏Verified account @RadioVendetta (https://twitter.com/RadioVendetta)FollowFollow
@RadioVendetta

More




Hearing from legit #italian (https://twitter.com/hashtag/italian?src=hash) sources #Giovinco (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Giovinco?src=hash) is open to @TorontoFC (https://twitter.com/TorontoFC) return. Start digging @JohnMolinaro (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro)

Oldtimer
06-17-2019, 09:38 AM
The only "source" I saw was a Saudi Twitter user that was quoting a kid who was speculating. I'm not sure that Joey has real sources (such a Seba's agent).

Areathrasher
06-17-2019, 11:59 AM
Hes up in the VIP perch in Nathan Phillips Square today per his insta story.

stegosaurus
06-17-2019, 12:37 PM
Hes up in the VIP perch in Nathan Phillips Square today per his insta story.

Organization likes him, still has friends on the squad, would solve our lack of firepower up front a bit this season and adds a creative element that doesn’t have to run back to our box to pick up the ball...

If we really need to rebuild this team as badly as it appears we do, why not take him on loan as long as it’s within the budget? Maybe the Saudi prince will just send his real life FIFA card here for free just to make him happy.

Ultra & Proud
06-17-2019, 12:46 PM
Well I can see him wanting out of Saudi for sure. That's no real surprise.

SoccMan2
06-17-2019, 07:50 PM
Well if Giovinco were to come back what a story it would be and would make TFC a little more relevant in Toronto again because right now in Toronto I think people have totally forgotten that they even exist.

stevep
06-17-2019, 08:42 PM
Well if Giovinco were to come back what a story it would be and would make TFC a little more relevant in Toronto again because right now in Toronto I think people have totally forgotten that they even exist.

agreed, i feel that way and im a huge fan of tfc. so what must the casual tfc fan be thinking?

Red CB Toronto
06-17-2019, 09:49 PM
Well I can see him wanting out of Saudi for sure. That's no real surprise.

Its no different than they guys who bolted for a China only to get out asap.

Jack
06-18-2019, 09:55 AM
Organization likes him, still has friends on the squad, would solve our lack of firepower up front a bit this season and adds a creative element that doesn’t have to run back to our box to pick up the ball...

If we really need to rebuild this team as badly as it appears we do, why not take him on loan as long as it’s within the budget? Maybe the Saudi prince will just send his real life FIFA card here for free just to make him happy.

The Asian CL starts again in August, so I don't see much point in a short loan like that. I also don't see a team owner dropping the cash on Seba's contract only to loan him back to his old team.

Ultra & Proud
06-18-2019, 10:34 AM
The Asian CL starts again in August, so I don't see much point in a short loan like that. I also don't see a team owner dropping the cash on Seba's contract only to loan him back to his old team.
But since he was fairly terrible there I could see them rip up the contract to save some of that 10M Euros a season for the pouting bench player they're going to get.

Jack
06-18-2019, 11:47 AM
But since he was fairly terrible there I could see them rip up the contract to save some of that 10M Euros a season for the pouting bench player they're going to get.

I didn't watch any games. Was he really that bad over there? If they tear up the contract and release him, wouldn't he have to go through the allocation order as a former player returning to MLS?

Ultra & Proud
06-18-2019, 11:50 AM
I didn't watch any games. Was he really that bad over there? If they tear up the contract and release him, wouldn't he have to go through the allocation order as a former player returning to MLS?

He should but it is MLS. Things happen.

And he was bad over there.

C.Ronaldo
06-18-2019, 12:32 PM
I didn't watch any games. Was he really that bad over there? If they tear up the contract and release him, wouldn't he have to go through the allocation order as a former player returning to MLS?

he was benched. says it all

Ossington Mental Youth
06-18-2019, 12:37 PM
have heard from a few people he wants out and has been knocking on MLSEs door, biggest question is whether hed take a pay cut which i dont believe he would. More likely he goes back to Italy.

leedsandTFC
06-18-2019, 01:50 PM
the one possibility i can see on the giovinco front is him agreeing a paycut for 6 months and signing on loan as TAM with the understanding that he becomes a DP player again next season when Bradley drops down to TAM or leaves.

Ultra & Proud
06-18-2019, 01:59 PM
I would only take him as TAM. He isn't going to get big bucks in Italy either, especially being 30+ and coming off a supreme failure in a shit league.

KGH
06-18-2019, 02:03 PM
He would have to go through the allocation process...

stevep
06-18-2019, 02:10 PM
https://northerntribune.ca/toronto-fc-giovinco-return/

stevep
06-18-2019, 02:10 PM
https://northerntribune.ca/toronto-fc-giovinco-return/

I think he's coming back

Ultra & Proud
06-18-2019, 02:14 PM
He would have to go through the allocation process...
Generally yes but MLS often MLSes these things.

I think it's shite but weirder things have happened in this league.

Oldtimer
06-18-2019, 02:56 PM
Generally yes but MLS often MLSes these things.

I think it's shite but weirder things have happened in this league.

Lets just say that IF he comes back and I'm not convinced he is, he's not going to Dallas. So TFC may have to trade for the top allocation, but it will happen.

There's no real evidence for this, though, everyone is reading the same tweets, one giving unnamed "sources" and the other quoting a kid.

Ultra & Proud
06-18-2019, 06:06 PM
Lets just say that IF he comes back and I'm not convinced he is, he's not going to Dallas. So TFC may have to trade for the top allocation, but it will happen.

There's no real evidence for this, though, everyone is reading the same tweets, one giving unnamed "sources" and the other quoting a kid.
Oh I agree. I don't think it's happening but I would not be that surprised if he asked about coming back or expressed that to his agent. He hates it in Saudi and the only hope for any type of legit payday with a good family life is in MLS and he likes Toronto. I assume his family did too.

And I agree with the allocation thing. We'd have to give Dallas various allocation monies that they'd never use.

ensco
06-18-2019, 06:13 PM
I know nothing - but I think this is real.

Manning couldn’t talk sense to Seba, but now Seba has seen the reality of the deal he took in living colour.

I bet Manning can get him for less than he offered in January now.

Defoe
06-18-2019, 06:17 PM
I know nothing - but I think this is real.

Manning couldn’t talk sense to Seba, but now Seba has seen the reality of the deal he took in living colour.

I bet Manning can get him for less than he offered in January now.

Pozuelo, Giovinco, Altidore OK

James17930
06-18-2019, 07:05 PM
I know nothing - but I think this is real.

Manning couldn’t talk sense to Seba, but now Seba has seen the reality of the deal he took in living colour.

I bet Manning can get him for less than he offered in January now.

If he does come back he better give a proper, sincere, meaningful apology.

Oldtimer
06-18-2019, 07:28 PM
Pozuelo, Giovinco, Altidore OK

If TFC got a transfer fee from Mexico for Bradley coming mid-season it could be an interesting possibility.

I think it's not going to actually go through, although it's completely realistic that Giovinco deeply regrets putting cash ahead of common sense and wishes he had stayed here. Anyone who has worked in Saudi realizes what a terrible environment it is to raise a family. That's not the same as coming to a deal.

ensco
06-18-2019, 08:23 PM
I don’t think we will or could get a fee for Bradley. We'd be very fortunate if someone just took on his contract, in truth. He is wildly overpaid.

If Bradley cannot be moved...Seba could get a gig in Mexico while he waits for TFC though....

jloome
06-18-2019, 09:24 PM
I don’t think we will or could get a fee for Bradley. We'd be very fortunate if someone just took on his contract, in truth. He is wildly overpaid.

If Bradley cannot be moved...Seba could get a gig in Mexico while he waits for TFC though....

I think he'd take a TAM-and-progressively-lower buydown to retire in Toronto.

Bradley has made his millions, between us, Italy Germany and Holland, and his family is a smart bunch. I wouldn't be surprised if they collectively have a piece of LAFC, given that it has some smaller celebrity investors.

I'm still not sure Giovinco has any gas left though. He looked seriously slowed last year, although the magic touch was still there on occasion.

Can't see him coming for sub DP, not sure he'd be scoring 15 again... although with Pozo setting him up, maybe.

MightyDM
06-18-2019, 11:50 PM
I don’t think we will or could get a fee for Bradley. We'd be very fortunate if someone just took on his contract, in truth. He is wildly overpaid.

If Bradley cannot be moved...Seba could get a gig in Mexico while he waits for TFC though....

The thing is he isn’t overpaid for us. He delivered what he was brought here to do - make this team respected, bring order to the locker room, and make it a winner. He did all of that. Worth every penny to us.

What he is worth now to it hrs is quite different and totally subjective.

What I care more about, is why did the wheels come off after the CCL run? Did he lose his influence? Was it sebas Unsettled contract? Just injuries and age? Personnel mistakes ie Beitashour? All of this has a bearing on Bradley’s value to us at this moment.

ensco
06-19-2019, 05:34 AM
^Well, I am overly influenced by the Raps probably, but my biggest takeaway in retrospect is that unbalanced roster construction is not sustainable.

You need good young cheap players. Cannot win without them. Our young cheap good players stopped being good in 2018. Also you probably should not have the 4th best and 5th best guy making 10% of what the third best guy makes. You are too exposed to injuries, and it is a recipe for locker room drama. It's way smarter to go 6 or 7 deep in terms of elite players.

That's what I notice about LAFC and Atlanta (or used to notice until I stopped watching 6 weeks ago! Load management. Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha.)

Jack
06-19-2019, 02:50 PM
He should but it is MLS. Things happen.

And he was bad over there.


he was benched. says it all

I'll take your word for it. That said, he did go over there in the stretch run of their season, including Asian CL, while he was barely in pre-season form over here. I wouldn't expect him to be super-impactful in that situation for a team that was chasing a title. Say what you will about the talent levels over there, guys in stretch-run form, playing hard for a title, will be a bit out of sync with a guy who is in pre-season form. Never mind the culture shock.

Either way, him returning might be a boon to us, but it would definitely depend on what sort of deal it was. He's not quite the same player who tore up this league a few years back.

RealG-TFC
06-19-2019, 05:18 PM
I don’t think we will or could get a fee for Bradley. We'd be very fortunate if someone just took on his contract, in truth. He is wildly overpaid.

If Bradley cannot be moved...Seba could get a gig in Mexico while he waits for TFC though....

If Seba goes to Mexico there's no way he comes back. I definitely expected him not enjoying Saudi Arabia (if reports are true) but in Mexico he can live a comfortable life, could probably bring his family over, and would be playing high-level football with much more global relevance. There wouldn't be as much of a culture shock compared with Al-Hilal.

MightyDM
06-19-2019, 11:24 PM
^Well, I am overly influenced by the Raps probably, but my biggest takeaway in retrospect is that unbalanced roster construction is not sustainable.

You need good young cheap players. Cannot win without them. Our young cheap good players stopped being good in 2018. Also you probably should not have the 4th best and 5th best guy making 10% of what the third best guy makes. You are too exposed to injuries, and it is a recipe for locker room drama. It's way smarter to go 6 or 7 deep in terms of elite players.

That's what I notice about LAFC and Atlanta (or used to notice until I stopped watching 6 weeks ago! Load management. Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha.)

You have a fair point Enzo. Everything came together in 2017 (although 2016 was one hell of a ride) perhaps despite the roster construction.

stevep
06-20-2019, 10:47 AM
ok, whats this all about?

https://www.instagram.com/p/By76cNknPqx/

Ben - D.O.W.
06-20-2019, 10:52 AM
ok, whats this all about?

https://www.instagram.com/p/By76cNknPqx/

When TFC hired on Giuseppe did that mean he was exclusive to them or could he still work with outside/existing clients?

stegosaurus
06-20-2019, 11:21 AM
ok, whats this all about?

https://www.instagram.com/p/By76cNknPqx/

Nothing to see here. Just a wild “Seba in the 6ix” blessing some training pitches with the fairy dust falling from his tiny boots.

jabbronies
06-20-2019, 12:05 PM
Nothing to see here. Just a wild “Seba in the 6ix” blessing some training pitches with the fairy dust falling from his tiny boots.

Ya probably just keeping fit with Giuseppe

Section_105
06-20-2019, 12:31 PM
ok, whats this all about?

https://www.instagram.com/p/By76cNknPqx/

overreaching on the first 3 strides. coulda got there a tenth faster

Ossington Mental Youth
06-20-2019, 03:39 PM
ok, whats this all about?

https://www.instagram.com/p/By76cNknPqx/

That's at Jesse Ketchum school

Canary10
06-20-2019, 03:42 PM
When this topic went up, I expected the "now" in the title to be a more general now, not literally what he is doing this very second.
Lol.

stevep
06-20-2019, 06:30 PM
That's at Jesse Ketchum school


All these clues. But what do they all mean?

Wasn't there a board game like this? Can't remember the name of it

stegosaurus
06-20-2019, 07:37 PM
All these clues. But what do they all mean?

Wasn't there a board game like this? Can't remember the name of it

Maybe he’s staying at the 4Seasons again.

Auzzy
06-20-2019, 09:01 PM
That's at Jesse Ketchum school

LOL that's frigging hilarious! My wife is a teacher there. She & her colleague actually asked some people to leave the field the other day, who were training during school hours while they were trying to run a gym class. She said it looked like they were training for track & field.... :D However based on how she described their coach, it doesn't sound like it was Giuseppe.

Ossington Mental Youth
06-21-2019, 12:21 PM
LOL that's frigging hilarious! My wife is a teacher there. She & her colleague actually asked some people to leave the field the other day, who were training during school hours while they were trying to run a gym class. She said it looked like they were training for track & field.... :D However based on how she described their coach, it doesn't sound like it was Giuseppe.

Hahahahaha amazing. I might just hang out there to see Seba. Tell the authorities I'm there for good cause

stevep
06-21-2019, 03:06 PM
It's easy what you would do.
For argument sake say he's worth $6m/yr.

Say your TAM is $2m left
Pay him 2million this year. Which is $1m less than he would get paid. (6/2)=3
For half a season
Next year pay him $7 m.
6 plus the 1 you owe him

Ultra & Proud
06-21-2019, 03:17 PM
It's easy what you would do.
For argument sake say he's worth $6m/yr.

Say your TAM is $2m left
Pay him 2million this year. Which is $1m less than he would get paid. (6/2)=3
For half a season
Next year pay him $7 m.
6 plus the 1 you owe him

You can do a lot better and a lot younger than Giovinco for $6M.

That would be a massive waste of money and a blown DP spot (if we had a free one).

I wouldn't go above TAM or whatever they invent next season in it's place for him. That's his level now.

Mikmacdo
06-21-2019, 03:55 PM
You can do a lot better and a lot younger than Giovinco for $6M.

That would be a massive waste of money and a blown DP spot (if we had a free one).

I wouldn't go above TAM or whatever they invent next season in it's place for him. That's his level now.

Exactly go get a real winger with DP money if Bradley leaves.

James17930
06-21-2019, 06:27 PM
It's easy what you would do.
For argument sake say he's worth $6m/yr.

Say your TAM is $2m left
Pay him 2million this year. Which is $1m less than he would get paid. (6/2)=3
For half a season
Next year pay him $7 m.
6 plus the 1 you owe him

That wouldn't work anyway because the Saudi club is not going to let him walk for free – TFC would need to pay some sort of transfer fee.

But if he's a TAM player, the fee would have to count against the cap. So there wouldn't be enough space.

The only way it works is if Bradley leaves, freeing up a DP spot. But then as others have said, why not just go get a younger DP? So this whole discussion is pointless.

Auzzy
06-23-2019, 11:53 AM
Instagram post from Seba:

"Enjoying home. 6"

https://www.instagram.com/p/BzDvZQWH7Ye/

leedsandTFC
06-24-2019, 04:10 PM
mavinga begging seba to come back on his latest instagram post

rydermike
06-25-2019, 10:58 PM
Seba is off to Milan on an Air Canada flight per his Instagram story

anto7
06-26-2019, 07:51 PM
KJ asked Manning about the possibility of Seba coming back. Pretty much kept his cards close to his chest with his reply but he didn’t appear to dismiss the idea either. I’m a little more intrigued now to be honest.

Auzzy
06-26-2019, 10:48 PM
KJ asked Manning about the possibility of Seba coming back. Pretty much kept his cards close to his chest with his reply but he didn’t appear to dismiss the idea either. I’m a little more intrigued now to be honest.

Interview is here; some interesting tidbits: https://twitter.com/TSN_Sports/status/1144033779628929024

TFC Tifoso
06-27-2019, 01:47 PM
#Seback ?

Auzzy
06-27-2019, 07:00 PM
#Setback?

stevep
07-02-2019, 06:05 PM
Seba is in Austria now.

Jack
07-03-2019, 08:57 AM
Seba is in Austria now.

Al Hilal is doing their preseason there.

firm
07-05-2019, 08:26 PM
Can someone explain What happened with Sebastian contract who wanted to to get rid of him and why

Oldtimer
07-05-2019, 08:35 PM
Can someone explain What happened with Sebastian contract who wanted to to get rid of him and why

Seba's contract was expiring. A Saudi team offered him much more money than TFC was willing to pay. He signs with the Saudi team. No one "got rid of him." It's just that TFC thought he would sign with them but didn't count on the Saudi team offering much higher than usual to get Seba.

Blizzard
07-08-2019, 03:31 PM
Seba's contract was expiring. A Saudi team offered him much more money than TFC was willing to pay. He signs with the Saudi team. No one "got rid of him." It's just that TFC thought he would sign with them but didn't count on the Saudi team offering much higher than usual to get Seba.

It was expiring but had a full season to run followed by an option year IF the club chose to pick it up. When the club chose to NOT pick up Seba's option, even though his original five year contract had a year to run, he took offence and so started looking elsewhere. His Saudi club offered him $11 million per season, tax free plus having to pay TFC a transfer fee of some millions (official undisclosed).

In the end, it came down to TFC expecting that he would play out his fifth year but as he got a better offer, the transfer was engineered ..... and up to now, now replacement attacker has arrived in town and the club is in big trouble! :(

ensco
07-10-2019, 12:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moSFlvxnbgk

Actually I think all the guys saying “Let It Go” need to let that go! ;-)

It is obvious that this could be a real story. There is a long distance from here to there (agreeing on a salary, allocation order, Bradley)... but it is credible that something could be up.

The trainer story, Seba being benched in Saudi, him spending a lot of time in TO, him spending time at TFC and Raps games, hints in IG stories, a whole bunch of twitter stuff, some of it involving TFC players....

any one of these you can knock down, but all together, they are a pattern...

OgtheDim
07-10-2019, 12:15 PM
There is no fire here to create smoke.

Seba leaves when TFC didn't want him to go.

He comes back to the neighbourhood because his family is currently here.

Old boss says "How's it going?"

Seba says "OK - pays well"

End of story.

This thing only gets revisited because a lot of TFC fans havn't let him go.

zorsofstesab
07-10-2019, 01:16 PM
Interesting take from someone on Twitter....

Hearing from sources within TFC that Giovinco will be signing back with TFC during this transfer window. Once I hear more I will follow up #TFCLive (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TFCLive?src=hash)https://abs.twimg.com/hashflags/MLS_19_TFC/MLS_19_TFC.png (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TFCLive?src=hash) #TFC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TFC?src=hash)


https://twitter.com/YGNeeks/status/1148987420098125825

Stress
07-10-2019, 01:19 PM
That’s not really the case. We know he poured his heart out to Dunfield in a Yorkville coffee shop. I think there’s definitely enough smoke to suggest he’s not content with his current situation and he’s having second thoughts.

Some dude from the TFC round table podcast (never heard of it) is now saying on twitter he’s coming back this window based on a TFC insider (apparently someone who helped settle him when he first arrived). Don’t believe it myself but wouldn’t be completely shocked if they find some arrangement.

DinamoTFC
07-10-2019, 01:24 PM
That’s not really the case. We know he poured his heart out to Dunfield in a Yorkville coffee shop. I think there’s definitely enough smoke to suggest he’s not content with his current situation and he’s having second thoughts.

Some dude from the TFC round table podcast (never heard of it) is now saying on twitter he’s coming back this window based on a TFC insider (apparently someone who helped settle him when he first arrived). Don’t believe it myself but wouldn’t be completely shocked if they find some arrangement.

Care to expand ?

TFC-Fever
07-10-2019, 01:31 PM
That’s not really the case. We know he poured his heart out to Dunfield in a Yorkville coffee shop. I think there’s definitely enough smoke to suggest he’s not content with his current situation and he’s having second thoughts.

Some dude from the TFC round table podcast (never heard of it) is now saying on twitter he’s coming back this window based on a TFC insider (apparently someone who helped settle him when he first arrived). Don’t believe it myself but wouldn’t be completely shocked if they find some arrangement.

Would need to be a significant pay cut from his current wages and I can see Al-Hilal being dissapointed at paying all that cash for weak production ... so I'm sure they'd let him out of his deal if he really pressed.

Perhaps an Ibra-like deal? TAM for rest of this season then DP next season (which would likely mean a Bradley exit)

I still don't put much stock into these rumours but heck .. one never knows.

stegosaurus
07-10-2019, 01:47 PM
That’s not really the case. We know he poured his heart out to Dunfield in a Yorkville coffee shop. I think there’s definitely enough smoke to suggest he’s not content with his current situation and he’s having second thoughts.

Some dude from the TFC round table podcast (never heard of it) is now saying on twitter he’s coming back this window based on a TFC insider (apparently someone who helped settle him when he first arrived). Don’t believe it myself but wouldn’t be completely shocked if they find some arrangement.

The whole Seba argument hinges on two things: 1) people feeling upset by the way he left or not, and 2) people who feel that you could spend whatever the FO were to spend on Seba to bring in someone who isn’t Seba.

The people in 1) are understandable.

Those on either side of 2) are at least positive thinkers: those thinking Seba fits into the team and will perform well; or, those thinking the FO is capable of finding someone better than Seba by the end of the window.

stegosaurus
07-10-2019, 01:51 PM
Care to expand ?

They’re citing a report.

OgtheDim
07-10-2019, 01:54 PM
Bradley going down to TAM or leaving is a once every 3 years opportunity to add in a DP - wanting to spend that on an 32 year old guy who HAS to play in a 2 person forward line is a choice that isn't just a simple yes to for many of us.

Canary10
07-10-2019, 02:05 PM
There is no fire here to create smoke.

Seba leaves when TFC didn't want him to go.

He comes back to the neighbourhood because his family is currently here.

Old boss says "How's it going?"

Seba says "OK - pays well"

End of story.

This thing only gets revisited because a lot of TFC fans havn't let him go.

There is so much smoke I can’t even see the fire.

DinamoTFC
07-10-2019, 02:25 PM
They’re citing a report.

First I heard of it so if you can summarize that would be great.

stegosaurus
07-10-2019, 02:38 PM
First I heard of it so if you can summarize that would be great.

It’s just paraphrasing a tweet or whatever from last week that essentially says the same thing. Pretty sure it was posted here as well, but with all the deleted and moved posts maybe it disappeared.

Can’t be arsed to search Twitter on my phone though...

Stress
07-10-2019, 03:11 PM
First I heard of it so if you can summarize that would be great.

It was from the COYR podcast with Wheeler. A few episodes back but I’m unsure which one exactly. Basically said he randomly ran into Seba at a coffee shop and went to briefly say hi but Seba ended up talking his ear off about stuff.

OgtheDim
07-10-2019, 03:20 PM
It was from the COYR podcast with Wheeler. A few episodes back but I’m unsure which one exactly. Basically said he randomly ran into Seba at a coffee shop and went to briefly say hi but Seba ended up talking his ear off about stuff.

Yeah I remember that and in no way did it sound like anything more then talking to each other. The phrase "poured his heart out" was not used.

Oldtimer
07-10-2019, 03:20 PM
My read, it's wishful thinking. Even if Seba regrets going to Saudi, which is completely understandable and believable, fitting him back in the salary structure and with the new people who have been brought in using a new formation is highly implausible.

OTOH stranger things have happened. Maybe Bradley gets traded to his dad's team for GAM and we sign Giovinco as a DP. I doubt it though.

Frankly I don't believe a random guy with a random podcast has any "inside information" that any of us "armchair analysts" on this board don't have. Even if he talked to the BMO Field head janitor or something. Anyone can do a podcast.

Joe Kool
07-10-2019, 03:28 PM
To be honest I don't miss the rolling around on the ground but he can still contribute something if he ever came back I would say even at his current age. The thing is why would he play hardball for more money then get it and leave then come back for what would have to be way less? That is the main reason why I think all this is just people talking for the sake of talking about this just because he came back for a bit to visit TO. Seems like talk that would come up in the off season because we are bored as hell and looking for something TFC related to talk about. I can't see him taking a big pay cut after being so adamant about the initial TFC offer not being enough to stay. Life overseas really that bad? Who knows though, maybe he will eat a big slice of humble pie and take a pay cut and come back to play with TFC. Maybe he now realizes that he had a good thing going and regrets his decision to leave for the paycheck. Who knows....I seriously doubt it but I would never say never in life. Shit happens.

Stress
07-10-2019, 03:35 PM
Yeah I remember that and in no way did it sound like anything more then talking to each other. The phrase "poured his heart out" was not used.

So it’s the very beginning of episode 169. Dunfield literally says “poured his heart out”. “Talked for 2 hours”. Says something about not wanting to leave people on a cliff hanger but then Wheeler interrupts and he ends with he “misses Toronto”.

Edit: just to clarify I don’t necessarily believe it will happen but I do believe there is enough to suggest it’s possible.

Jack
07-10-2019, 06:33 PM
Actually I think all the guys saying “Let It Go” need to let that go! ;-)

It is obvious that this could be a real story. There is a long distance from here to there (agreeing on a salary, allocation order, Bradley)... but it is credible that something could be up.

The trainer story, Seba being benched in Saudi, him spending a lot of time in TO, him spending time at TFC and Raps games, hints in IG stories, a whole bunch of twitter stuff, some of it involving TFC players....

any one of these you can knock down, but all together, they are a pattern...

We know that Seba loves Toronto and spends lots of time here. It may well be true that he isn’t happy in Saudi. Nonetheless, he’s got a contract and he’s doing his preseason with them. He may want to come back to TFC, but the hurdles are pretty big at this point. He got benched over there for a couple of games as he came into a late season title race in pre-season form. We’ll see what happens after he gets a pre-season with them and plays the Asian CL matches in August. Sure, he may want to come back to Toronto, but he has little leverage to make it happen at this point.

Jack
07-10-2019, 06:35 PM
So it’s the very beginning of episode 169. Dunfield literally says “poured his heart out”. “Talked for 2 hours”. Says something about not wanting to leave people on a cliff hanger but then Wheeler interrupts and he ends with he “misses Toronto”.

Edit: just to clarify I don’t necessarily believe it will happen but I do believe there is enough to suggest it’s possible.
Gareth Wheeler is not a reliable source. He’ll say anything to drum up a story. Total hack, yellow journalist.

ensco
07-10-2019, 07:56 PM
We know that Seba loves Toronto and spends lots of time here. It may well be true that he isn’t happy in Saudi. Nonetheless, he’s got a contract and he’s doing his preseason with them. He may want to come back to TFC, but the hurdles are pretty big at this point. He got benched over there for a couple of games as he came into a late season title race in pre-season form. We’ll see what happens after he gets a pre-season with them and plays the Asian CL matches in August. Sure, he may want to come back to Toronto, but he has little leverage to make it happen at this point.

All true.

I just think Manning could have killed off these stories fairly easily if he really wanted to. It's a pretty captive media here. But he hasn't, it keeps popping. Whack-a-mole.

jloome
07-10-2019, 10:16 PM
All true.

I just think Manning could have killed off these stories fairly easily if he really wanted to. It's a pretty captive media here. But he hasn't, it keeps popping. Whack-a-mole.

Maybe they're lobbying MLS for an offseason TAM increase/4th dp that would cover it. He's probably got at least two more seasons in him and it's both a great narrative for the league to have him come back and hew as immensely popular. He gives MLS credibility (although he looked pretty tired by the end of 2018 season.)

OgtheDim
07-12-2019, 10:57 AM
yeah...about all this

https://twitter.com/24thminute/status/1149706812154896384

Ben - D.O.W.
07-12-2019, 11:12 AM
The list we've held the #1 spot on twice recently. Which people are going to use as either proof it isn't happening, or argue that means we can get there a third time, whichever fits their narrative.

stegosaurus
07-12-2019, 11:20 AM
The list we've held the #1 spot on twice recently. Which people are going to use as either proof it isn't happening, or argue that means we can get there a third time, whichever fits their narrative.

Allocation is pretty irrelevant.

ag futbol
07-12-2019, 12:34 PM
yeah...about all this

https://twitter.com/24thminute/status/1149706812154896384
That’s crazy talk. This league and its rules... stupid.

Ultra & Proud
07-12-2019, 01:17 PM
I doubt it will be him that we're looking at. I think we should we should be looking at a versatile forward though but obviously at TAM level only regardless of Bradley.

rydermike
07-13-2019, 07:06 PM
*IF* Giovinco were to come back, what jersey number would he take since Pozo has the 10? Take #11?

stevep
07-13-2019, 09:22 PM
*IF* Giovinco were to come back, what jersey number would he take since Pozo has the 10? Take #11?

I'm pretty sure he is coming back so this is a really interesting/relevant question.

Shaff was pretty invisible tonight, with Gallardo and Seba and Oso back this team is going to be really fun to watch again at BMO

stevep
07-13-2019, 11:14 PM
I'm pretty sure he is coming back so this is a really interesting/relevant question.

Shaff was pretty invisible tonight, with Gallardo and Seba and Oso back this team is going to be really fun to watch again at BMO


Upon reflection I think you give #10 back to Giovinco

Bobo
07-14-2019, 02:55 PM
In the 1/100 chance Seba comes back, he's certainly not taking the No. 10 from the organization's new star, whose jersey is already on most racks, for a short-term stay.

He wore No. 12 for Juve in the years leading up to his move, so I'd say that is most likely. Spent some time with Nos. 20 (Akinola) and 21 (Oso), but I guess Ayo isn't really in a position to refuse a change.

stevep
07-14-2019, 07:34 PM
In the 1/100 chance Seba comes back, he's certainly not taking the No. 10 from the organization's new star, whose jersey is already on most racks, for a short-term stay.

He wore No. 12 for Juve in the years leading up to his move, so I'd say that is most likely. Spent some time with Nos. 20 (Akinola) and 21 (Oso), but I guess Ayo isn't really in a position to refuse a change.

I'll take that bet!!
I'll wager $100 he comes back. If he doesn't come back you keep my hundred.
If he comes back you owe me $10,000

rydermike
07-14-2019, 09:19 PM
In the 1/100 chance Seba comes back, he's certainly not taking the No. 10 from the organization's new star, whose jersey is already on most racks, for a short-term stay.

He wore No. 12 for Juve in the years leading up to his move, so I'd say that is most likely. Spent some time with Nos. 20 (Akinola) and 21 (Oso), but I guess Ayo isn't really in a position to refuse a change.

Giovinco likes star numbers. He won't go back to his Juve number 12, which I think was assigned to him. When given the choice he's worn 21 and 10 (Italy, Parma, and Toronto) and then when he went to Al-Hilal he took #9. I feel here he'd grab #11 or the now vacant #7. No chance he takes 12.

stevep
07-21-2019, 12:13 PM
This is some good news. Last night I was on tfc live Twitter reading the hate for vanney comments when I saw this tweet by this serie a writer. Rocco fassano
He cliams he was the one who first broke the news of gio leaving Toronto.
Anyways he says gio and tfc are just working out the financial numbers and that seba is coming back.

https://twitter.com/CatenaccioNA/status/1152747093490114561?s=20

Fort York Redcoat
07-23-2019, 09:27 PM
Getting back with the ex?

I'll get the popcorn.

portu
07-23-2019, 09:50 PM
This is some good news. Last night I was on tfc live Twitter reading the hate for vanney comments when I saw this tweet by this serie a writer. Rocco fassano
He cliams he was the one who first broke the news of gio leaving Toronto.
Anyways he says gio and tfc are just working out the financial numbers and that seba is coming back.

https://twitter.com/CatenaccioNA/status/1152747093490114561?s=20

Instant contenders if he returns.

Blizzard
07-23-2019, 10:05 PM
Instant contenders if he returns.

But how does the club get around the Allocation List assuming the Cap and DP issue can somehow be gotten around?

Ultra & Proud
07-24-2019, 07:01 AM
Not that this will happen anyway but that's the least of the problems. The league makes things happen. At worst we give away allocation $$$ that might possibly magically appear.

ensco
07-24-2019, 07:11 AM
I have long argued that this may be happening... but anybody who claims he “broke” this story on January 30 cannot be taken seriously.

This probably would require trading Bradley.

MightyDM
07-24-2019, 07:22 AM
I have long argued that this may be happening... but anybody who claims he “broke” this story on January 30 cannot be taken seriously.

This probably would require trading Bradley.

I think it’s quite likely that there are discussions. But I don’t see how they can pull it off. And the team, despite Vanneys bizarre line up from Saturday, is just starting to gell. So I cannot see it happening.

Areathrasher
07-24-2019, 09:19 AM
Seba played wide in a 4-2-3-1 in the last Saudi season FYI. Batefmi Gomis was the lone striker.

He's been playing as the playmaker in a midfield 3 during their preseason too.

Just something to consider if you're thinking two striker partnership

C.Ronaldo
07-24-2019, 11:06 AM
Seba played wide in a 4-2-3-1 in the last Saudi season FYI. Batefmi Gomis was the lone striker.

He's been playing as the playmaker in a midfield 3 during their preseason too.

Just something to consider if you're thinking two striker partnership

can we sign Gomis then?

stegosaurus
07-24-2019, 11:17 AM
Seba played wide in a 4-2-3-1 in the last Saudi season FYI. Batefmi Gomis was the lone striker.

He's been playing as the playmaker in a midfield 3 during their preseason too.

Just something to consider if you're thinking two striker partnership

Right, he can play wide or centrally as well, even if it isn’t his ideal/preferred position. If he does end up coming back, he probably isn’t going to be dictating where he wants to play.

It would give a bit more versatility in formation, but it could end up hurting the development of players like Sberg, make the Osorio TAM contract a bit silly, and/or make the neverending winger story and Gallardo signing a bit quixotic.

We’ll see what happens, I guess!

stevep
07-27-2019, 09:29 PM
this is interesting

https://deskgram.net/p/2093819636696013026_14084584504

I think he met with Manning 5 days ago
-he talks about exciting news coming up
-then the 2nd picture has picture of gio and vv and morrow
-then the 3rd picture has the podium where they announce new signings

if this is true it is pretty obvious what he is saying without actually saying it

leedsandTFC
07-27-2019, 10:50 PM
this is interesting

https://deskgram.net/p/2093819636696013026_14084584504

I think he met with Manning 5 days ago
-he talks about exciting news coming up
-then the 2nd picture has picture of gio and vv and morrow
-then the 3rd picture has the podium where they announce new signings

if this is true it is pretty obvious what he is saying without actually saying it

sorry to be ignorant...who is that?

stevep
07-27-2019, 11:46 PM
sorry to be ignorant...who is that?

I've never heard of the guy but he is involved in this website tfc roundtable podcast.
Basically just some guy with a website

ag futbol
07-28-2019, 10:06 AM
-he talks about exciting news coming up

Good grief these guys simply can’t help themselves. Maybe the signings will be here (and actually on the field) in time for TFC to climb back into a playoff place?

Defoe
07-30-2019, 06:19 PM
I think Carlos Vela’s season will go down as the best in MLS and legitimately better then prime Giovinco which is insane

stegosaurus
07-30-2019, 06:34 PM
I think Carlos Vela’s season will go down as the best in MLS and legitimately better then prime Giovinco which is insane

Carlos Vela is kind of an exception though.

It’s not easy to find a very good footballer in their prime who no longer has any career aspirations other than making the most money possible and doesn’t even really like football in the first place.

notthesun
07-30-2019, 11:23 PM
I think Carlos Vela’s season will go down as the best in MLS and legitimately better then prime Giovinco which is insane

He's pretty much certain to smash Giovinco's goal + assist single season record. I think you do have to qualify it though by the fact that he's playing on the best team in the league that is routinely dominant and running up the score. Giovinco's best season was on a very mediocre 2015 TFC where offensively I would argue he had to do more with less than Vela this year. Not to downplay Vela at all who is having an unbelievable year.

ag futbol
07-31-2019, 09:05 AM
Carlos Vela is kind of an exception though.

It’s not easy to find a very good footballer in their prime who no longer has any career aspirations other than making the most money possible and doesn’t even really like football in the first place.
I remember watching him play in the last World Cup (I think against Brazil) and thinking “this guy might be playing like the best player on the field today”

I’m legitimately in shock he plays here. Not sure why he never seemed to settle in Europe.

In another crazy version of reality where a few more things go his way we might have talked about this guy as the best Mexican player since Rafa Marquez, or heck, even better.

rydermike
08-06-2019, 11:35 AM
Seba in the starting lineup for Al-Hilal's Champions League game. Guess we can put to rest any doubt now.

stevep
08-07-2019, 02:36 AM
Seba in the starting lineup for Al-Hilal's Champions League game. Guess we can put to rest any doubt now.


You know what. It just hit me tonight. The Seba drama was MLS, TFC low budget version of Kawhi Leonard will he stay or leave drama.
Will he come back to TFC or stay away for good.
They sure fooled me good.
Tip my hat to them.

stegosaurus
08-07-2019, 06:55 PM
You know what. It just hit me tonight. The Seba drama was MLS, TFC low budget version of Kawhi Leonard will he stay or leave drama.
Will he come back to TFC or stay away for good.
They sure fooled me good.
Tip my hat to them.

Kawhi was at OvO Fest in Raps gear. Looks like Seba is back on the table!

Fort York Redcoat
08-24-2019, 12:20 PM
So what was Seba's reaction to having his record surpassed so soon?

stevep
08-24-2019, 12:33 PM
So what was Seba's reaction to having his record surpassed so soon?

On going train now going to the ex.
Remember last year waiting to see the players and Sebastian was in disguise and snuck by everyone and did not say hi. This was the ex gane

CanadaLFC
08-26-2019, 10:07 AM
https://twitter.com/djcuse/status/1164954265850384385?s=20

I really miss this.

FootBallAZ
08-27-2019, 03:03 AM
https://twitter.com/djcuse/status/1164954265850384385?s=20

I really miss this.

wow.ball was on a string.man oh man.

Oldtimer
08-31-2019, 07:24 AM
Serie A team interested in Seba:

https://torontosun.com/sports/soccer/mls/sassuolo-looking-at-atomic-ant

Auzzy
09-04-2019, 12:34 PM
Seba posted a picture on Instagram today, with his son, caption "1st day of 1st grade." English sign about parking in the back. Background doesn't look like Saudi Arabia or Italy. Can somebody figure out where this is? I'm wondering if the family is continuing to stay in the Toronto area? His kid starting school here, that would be quite interesting.

noxx98
09-04-2019, 12:42 PM
Seba posted a picture on Instagram today, with his son, caption "1st day of 1st grade." English sign about parking in the back. Background doesn't look like Saudi Arabia or Italy. Can somebody figure out where this is? I'm wondering if the family is continuing to stay in the Toronto area? His kid starting school here, that would be quite interesting.
Based on the sign behind Seba and [mod edit, deleted] it looks to be [mod edit, a private school in Toronto, specific school deleted].

Auzzy
09-04-2019, 12:50 PM
Thanks! I wouldn't want to dox his kid, although with Seba posting that, he's obviously not worried. What interests me is that it's in Toronto!

69Chevy396
09-04-2019, 01:09 PM
Thanks! I wouldn't want to dox his kid, although with Seba posting that, he's obviously not worried. What interests me is that it's in Toronto!
[mod edit, specific school deleted] Seba is a class act, and devoted dad. He could have been soccers version of Toronto’s ambassadors Pinball, or Sittler, , in a city he loves...

A lot of ‘could haves’ which regrettably will never happen.

Red CB Toronto
09-04-2019, 05:19 PM
Seba posted a picture on Instagram today, with his son, caption "1st day of 1st grade." English sign about parking in the back. Background doesn't look like Saudi Arabia or Italy. Can somebody figure out where this is? I'm wondering if the family is continuing to stay in the Toronto area? His kid starting school here, that would be quite interesting.

They still have two houses here.

ensco
09-04-2019, 09:00 PM
There is a difference between what you can do and what you should do.

I hope the mods delete all the references to the school. There is just no reason to disclose this, even if it can be derived.

Oldtimer
09-04-2019, 10:38 PM
There is a difference between what you can do and what you should do.

I hope the mods delete all the references to the school. There is just no reason to disclose this, even if it can be derived.

Done.

Doxxing, even if not malevolent is a no-no. Sometimes curiosity can be answered in non-specific ways.

Red CB Toronto
09-05-2019, 12:25 AM
Done.

Doxxing, even if not malevolent is a no-no. Sometimes curiosity can be answered in non-specific ways.

Is doxing not related to illegally obtained private info that has been revealed ie wikileaks. in this day and age where everyone or at least a lot have a social/digital media foot print its an interesting conversation? A lot of information is being put out there by the person directly.

ensco
09-05-2019, 06:07 AM
Done.

Doxxing, even if not malevolent is a no-no. Sometimes curiosity can be answered in non-specific ways.

Thanks Oldtimer.

—————-



The fact that Seba “put out” a lot of info isn’t quite right. He may just be an excited dad who in the moment forgot to be careful, and/or maybe a tiny bit naive about social media, same as most of us were for a long time.

I think it's a mistake that he disclosed anything about where his son goes to school, why amplify the mistake?

Whether it's “doxxing” or whatever, I think this isn’t about whether this is legal or not, it's more about who you are, and who you want to be.

What matters is that Seba's family stayed and his son goes to school here. The details aren’t important and could cause harm.

Oldtimer
09-05-2019, 08:43 AM
Seba didn't say "my son attends 'X' school," so he didn't intend to reveal that information (whether or not enough clues came through unintentionally for those in the know). That's enough. It's not about the technical definition of "doxxing," it's about not putting his family at risk.

ag futbol
09-05-2019, 08:47 AM
Agreed, there’s really no reason why anything specific needs to be revealed. His family still has some roots here and his kid is attending school in Toronto... think that’s good enough

C.Ronaldo
09-05-2019, 10:19 AM
https://twitter.com/djcuse/status/1164954265850384385?s=20

I really miss this.

why is that tweet say not available

Carter
09-06-2019, 05:03 PM
why is that tweet say not available
His account has been suspended...

Red4ever
09-06-2019, 07:17 PM
Seba didn't say "my son attends 'X' school," so he didn't intend to reveal that information (whether or not enough clues came through unintentionally for those in the know). That's enough. It's not about the technical definition of "doxxing," it's about not putting his family at risk.

this is incorrect.

Pull the information, fine. But you cant say what he did or didnt intend to reveal. He posted a picture in uniform. There's also nothing credible to say that anything put his family at risk.

I think AG football said it best.

But man, we think a lot of ourselves here.

ensco
09-07-2019, 08:37 AM
But man, we think a lot of ourselves here.

This is a criticism you can pretty much level at anyone anytime who declines to do something easy in favour of doing the right thing.

Twitter long ago let this get out of control. Go do what you want there. Enjoy.

Bushmancan
09-07-2019, 09:25 AM
This is a criticism you can pretty much level at anyone anytime who declines to do something easy in favour of doing the right thing.

Twitter long ago let this get out of control. Go do what you want there. Enjoy.


But we can have standards and set ourselves apart. It doesn’t sound like anything was malicious but regardless remove it and move on. Same with Seba, perhaps he comes back for a one day contract to honor his contribution and retire as a red.

Now looking forward....

Red4ever
09-07-2019, 03:29 PM
This is a criticism you can pretty much level at anyone anytime who declines to do something easy in favour of doing the right thing.

Twitter long ago let this get out of control. Go do what you want there. Enjoy.

I think youre aware the misrepresentation of, and speculation about, the situation is where i took issue.

That is better left for twitter as well.

ensco
09-07-2019, 06:00 PM
I think youre aware the misrepresentation of, and speculation about, the situation is where i took issue.

That is better left for twitter as well.

Peace

Red4ever
09-07-2019, 10:43 PM
Peace

Lol. 14,237 posts. They cant all be profound

shwade
09-08-2019, 11:18 AM
Looking at clues in pics to find out where his kid goes to school is just plain weird for adults to be doing...malicious or not.

Auzzy
09-08-2019, 09:38 PM
Looking at clues in pics to find out where his kid goes to school is just plain weird for adults to be doing...malicious or not.

Let's not exaggerate, eh?! The interest is whether Seba's family is staying in Toronto. That's pretty important, thinking of both past & future issues concerning Seba.

I agree we don't need to name the school here. But Seba isn't stupid, and we don't need to make a huge effin' deal about it either. You can bet part of the reason Seba posted that picture is for people to realize that his family is staying in Toronto. Kid starting in 1st grade is a huge deal, and would be a natural time to leave the country if they wanted to. (Many on here & elsewhere had claimed they would definitely be getting out of Dodge as soon as possible.)

Just like Seba also wanted folks to realize he was in Toronto the next day, when he posted a video of himself training at my wife's school in Toronto. (And I ain't gonna tell you which school that is; just that they actually shouldn't be trespassing there, and his trainer has been asked to leave occasionally when they were getting in the way of gym classes on the field. I don't think anybody at the school realizes that there are occasionally famous people training there.)

stevep
09-29-2019, 09:45 PM
now that mls has released the updated salary figures, has lost the voyageurs cup and looks like won't have a home game we can now analyze the cost in dollars of not signing seba.

the following contains some guesstimate assumptions, some are solid figures. all figures in USD

assume seba would have signed back for 6.5m
pozuelo salary $3.8m
gallardo salary $0.3m
benezet salary $0.6m
do not count omar as he is not an offensive player, so he is not relevant to this discussion

2000 less people at each game in the cheap seats 2000x17x45=1.5m
missing game 1 of concacaff 25000 season seats x$60 USD $1.5M
missing one home playoff game 25000 x $80 USD = $2M USD
assume we finish at least 4th with seba and easily beat mtl with seba

cost $6.5 for seba

expenses
3.8+.6+.3+1.5+2+1.5=9.7m spent or lost money from less fans at game and missing concacaff game and playoff game

whoever made the decision to not resign seba cost tfc roughly $3.2 M USD. 9.7-6.5=3.2
if i owned tfc and this was my money i would be pissed, heads would roll
sorry Bill had to point this out

Auzzy
09-29-2019, 09:47 PM
^ I can't even.

JT Red127
09-30-2019, 06:58 AM
now that mls has released the updated salary figures, has lost the voyageurs cup and looks like won't have a home game we can now analyze the cost in dollars of not signing seba.

the following contains some guesstimate assumptions, some are solid figures. all figures in USD

assume seba would have signed back for 6.5m
pozuelo salary $3.8m
gallardo salary $0.3m
benezet salary $0.6m
do not count omar as he is not an offensive player, so he is not relevant to this discussion

2000 less people at each game in the cheap seats 2000x17x45=1.5m
missing game 1 of concacaff 25000 season seats x$60 USD $1.5M
missing one home playoff game 25000 x $80 USD = $2M USD
assume we finish at least 4th with seba and easily beat mtl with seba

cost $6.5 for seba

expenses
3.8+.6+.3+1.5+2+1.5=9.7m spent or lost money from less fans at game and missing concacaff game and playoff game

whoever made the decision to not resign seba cost tfc roughly $3.2 M USD. 9.7-6.5=3.2
if i owned tfc and this was my money i would be pissed, heads would roll
sorry Bill had to point this out

Its a nice theory to place blame on someone for Seba leaving but fact is no chance Seba was signing for $6.5, he needed at least $7 again.

barticusz
09-30-2019, 08:22 AM
Remember when Seba was here and we finished with 36 Points last year?

stevep
09-30-2019, 09:13 AM
Remember when Seba was here and we finished with 36 Points last year?

Remember when Seba was here and we went to two straight MLS cups?
I shudder to think if that happenee again and we finished first in the east, the money lost.

OgtheDim
09-30-2019, 09:46 AM
Remember when Seba was here and we finished with 36 Points last year?

Remember when Seba was here and our whole formation was torqued to fit him as a small 2nd forward to the point where teams had figured out how to easily stop us last year?

or

Remember when Seba was here last year and he went 1 for 40+ in free kicks last year?

stevep
09-30-2019, 10:40 AM
Remember when Seba was here and our whole formation was torqued to fit him as a small 2nd forward to the point where teams had figured out how to easily stop us last year?

or

Remember when Seba was here last year and he went 1 for 40+ in free kicks last year?

This was not meant as a bash and insult Seba post, save your negativity it for a later date in the Seba thread. it is not relevant to my post.

This was simply a monetary analysis of Seba vs not Seba for 2019.
If you have different assumptions regarding our final year standings, our voyageurs cup result, attendance figures that's fine, please show your assumptions regarding these things and post your own profit/loss with or without Seba, but to come here and insult him is not necessary.

JoesphNdo
09-30-2019, 01:51 PM
Those are *wild* assumptions for a man who was very much here last season, when we were fucking dismal, and has scored 8 goals in 26 games in a drastically inferior league since leaving *and* we're removing 11 goals and 12 assists from the team in Pozuelo. My hypothesis is we'd be lucky to break even on for that trade out, never mind improve

It also assumes we just don't sign two TAM players? It also neglects the relative value of asset on our books of Pozuelo today and Giovinco today at their ages. You're also averaging ticket price and not taking any cost whatsoever into account. You've also made assumptions of the $ needed to keep Seba which we can only speculate about

EDIT - You've also speculated 2,000 more people per game when our attendance is down around 1,400 from last year and last year was the season after a championship win so would have had huge season ticket sales, this year was season after not making the play offs so season ticket sales would have dropped.

PizzaEatingYeti
09-30-2019, 04:01 PM
Whole lotta assumptions lol...

stevep
09-30-2019, 04:10 PM
Those are *wild* assumptions for a man who was very much here last season, when we were fucking dismal, and has scored 8 goals in 26 games in a drastically inferior league since leaving *and* we're removing 11 goals and 12 assists from the team in Pozuelo. My hypothesis is we'd be lucky to break even on for that trade out, never mind improve

It also assumes we just don't sign two TAM players? It also neglects the relative value of asset on our books of Pozuelo today and Giovinco today at their ages. You're also averaging ticket price and not taking any cost whatsoever into account. You've also made assumptions of the $ needed to keep Seba which we can only speculate about

EDIT - You've also speculated 2,000 more people per game when our attendance is down around 1,400 from last year and last year was the season after a championship win so would have had huge season ticket sales, this year was season after not making the play offs so season ticket sales would have dropped.

i wrote 2000 less people at each game in the cheap seats 2000x17x45=1.5m
read carefully what I wrote

you wrote we were abysmal last year, but you do not address how we were abysmal was it defense or offense?

defensively we were terrible, offensively not so much, we were 7th in the league in goals.
we were without Jozy almost the whole year, jozy only played 80 or more minutes in 9 games!
you have to understand something, jozy and seba fed off each other, they were a perfect example of the whole being more than the sum of the parts
without jozy teams could just focus on giovinco, they had no one else to fear on our team.
it is an error on your part to blame the failure of 2018 on giovinco

with omar we would have easily made 4th place, easily

has he lost it? how many years do he have left in him at good form? I don't know, I can't answer that question for certain. but look at these highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5hnh3Y7heg

it doesn't look to me like he has lost anything hohohoho

oh, and we sure didn't have this last Wednesday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jsqiQ9QdFM

JoesphNdo
09-30-2019, 04:29 PM
i wrote 2000 less people at each game in the cheap seats 2000x17x45=1.5m
read carefully what I wrote

you wrote we were abysmal last year, but you do not address how we were abysmal was it defense or offense?

defensively we were terrible, offensively not so much, we were 7th in the league in goals.
we were without Jozy almost the whole year, jozy only played 80 or more minutes in 9 games!
you have to understand something, jozy and seba fed off each other, they were a perfect example of the whole being more than the sum of the parts
without jozy teams could just focus on giovinco, they had no one else to fear on our team.
it is an error on your part to blame the failure of 2018 on giovinco

has he lost it? how many years do he have left in him at good form? I don't know, I can't answer that question for certain. but look at these highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5hnh3Y7heg

it doesn't look to me like he has lost anything hohohoho

oh, and we sure didn't have this last Wednesday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jsqiQ9QdFM

You assume we'd get 2,000 more people with Seba per game than we are this season. Yet last year, with Seba, we only had 1,400 more, and that was on the backs of season tickets being sold after a championship win vs season tickets being sold after missing the play offs. Where are these 2,000 coming from? 1,400 is a small drop off considering the previous seasons, I'd make no assumption about extra tickets sold with Seba here looking at that and certainly at most it'd be a few hundred per game

Has he lost it? Who knows. But 8 goals in 26 games in the Saudi league says more than any highlight video

stevep
09-30-2019, 04:39 PM
You assume we'd get 2,000 more people with Seba per game than we are this season. Yet last year, with Seba, we only had 1,400 more, and that was on the backs of season tickets being sold after a championship win vs season tickets being sold after missing the play offs. Where are these 2,000 coming from? 1,400 is a small drop off considering the previous seasons, I'd make no assumption about extra tickets sold with Seba here looking at that and certainly at most it'd be a few hundred per game

Has he lost it? Who knows. But 8 goals in 26 games in the Saudi league says more than any highlight video

the 200's on the east side are pretty sparse this year. i don't recall that in 2018
my assumption was 2000 seats more per game on 200's east side
eveywhere else in the stadium seems around the same

JT Red127
10-01-2019, 10:56 AM
the 200's on the east side are pretty sparse this year. i don't recall that in 2018
my assumption was 2000 seats more per game on 200's east side
eveywhere else in the stadium seems around the same

I'm more confused by the assumption on salary...its a pointless conversation, Seba was not going to stay here unless he got $7 million. All the power to him, he signed an amazing deal for much more cash than he'd get anywhere else in the world.

stevep
10-01-2019, 11:52 PM
I'm more confused by the assumption on salary...its a pointless conversation, Seba was not going to stay here unless he got $7 million. All the power to him, he signed an amazing deal for much more cash than he'd get anywhere else in the world.

My assumption was 6.5m
So the loss was 2.7M under your scenario vs $3.2M under my assumption.
Still a huge loss for tfc

JuliquE
10-02-2019, 06:07 AM
My assumption was 6.5m
So the loss was 2.7M under your scenario vs $3.2M under my assumption.
Still a huge loss for tfc
Make no mistake: both sides could have handled things better, as far as contract negotiations go (I agree with the sentiment MLSE were naiive to the market norms, but I also don't agree with market norms—obviously not worth much, in the context of the discussion… but, I'll always find it difficult to entirely side with a player in these situations, for just that reason).

That said, things got to a point where the situation was all but untenable; at that stage, it's a lose-lose for management to give Seba what he wants or not, as there's something to be said for the precedent it sets to cave in to his demands (especially with the tone he was taking, both during the final days and afterwards), with the implication of future costs in similar situations, should that pattern continue (also left out in your numbers, and not really calculable).

This goes along with the alternative of their feeling like paying him wouldn't be making the most of the opportunity, given how they're looking to play, going forward, and taking the heat for making that call.

Oldtimer
10-02-2019, 08:04 AM
The loss at the gate is actually a lot less due to MLS revenue sharing and amounts due to the city. It's about a third, or less than $1m.

However, there has also been a decline in sponsorships with Seba leaving, so that also affects the bottom line.

ag futbol
10-02-2019, 08:28 AM
Remember when Seba was here and our whole formation was torqued to fit him as a small 2nd forward to the point where teams had figured out how to easily stop us last year?

or

Remember when Seba was here last year and he went 1 for 40+ in free kicks last year?
Agreed, there were limitations in fitting him into the formation. That said, I find it a bit odd we started going down this path towards a 4-3-3,while he was still here. To take LA for example, they aren’t trying to do things that don’t complement Ibrahimovic with their roster (notwithstanding they are still working out the kinks).

I think what this team really misses about Seba (other than his quality) is someone who is ultra competitive and wants nothing less than first place and makes it a borderline obsession.

613reppingTFC
10-02-2019, 09:18 AM
You are right about that. I'm not sure anyone on the team now has that same current drive and motivation that made him that competitive player. His presence alone in the locker room would have given that same confidence and motivation to the players around him.
You take him out of the equation now and perhaps add a bit of that negative attitude from VDW and it leaves the locker room split between people who might see things VDW way and not having that motivated leader

NOMOTFCBSFROMFO
10-02-2019, 06:43 PM
Thanks Steve the money lost is not really much of a concern for me, but man I knew this was a huge mistake when they did not resign Seba. What a huge difference he makes on field to this team. What the F was Bill Manning thinking???????

NOMOTFCBSFROMFO
10-02-2019, 06:46 PM
Yes this team is so pleasing to the eyes without Seba here.

NOMOTFCBSFROMFO
10-02-2019, 08:48 PM
Steve you forgot to take into account the transfer money they spent on Poz

JT Red127
10-03-2019, 07:49 AM
This thread has taken a serious "get over it" turn. Its over. 2 MLS cup runs were amazing. Last season was a nightmare. Lets live in the present, playoffs and we havent lost a match in 9.

stevep
10-03-2019, 12:06 PM
This thread has taken a serious "get over it" turn. Its over. 2 MLS cup runs were amazing. Last season was a nightmare. Lets live in the present, playoffs and we havent lost a match in 9.
I agree Bill the team has been great. Ali has done a magnificent job for you.
We may well win the MLS cup.
But the hard numbers are you what they are.

stevep
10-03-2019, 12:10 PM
Thanks Steve the money lost is not really much of a concern for me, but man I knew this was a huge mistake when they did not resign Seba. What a huge difference he makes on field to this team. What the F was Bill Manning thinking???????

I know what was he thinking.
You're welcome. The truth is very hard to take for most people here.

I can fully understand if the move saved TFC money. They are a for profit corporation. But this move cost tfc Money and pissed so many fans off.

JT Red127
10-03-2019, 01:15 PM
I know what was he thinking.
You're welcome. The truth is very hard to take for most people here.

I can fully understand if the move saved TFC money. They are a for profit corporation. But this move cost tfc Money and pissed so many fans off.

You think Seba not coming back was a cost saving move? I'm confused with this thread, time to move on. :)

NOMOTFCBSFROMFO
10-03-2019, 04:02 PM
2 MLS runs probably would turn into 3 and 4 runs if Gio is still on this Roster, truthfully I dont see enough fan backlash we will see what next years Ticket sales are ?

stevep
10-03-2019, 04:48 PM
You think Seba not coming back was a cost saving move? I'm confused with this thread, time to move on. :)

Why else would they do it other than to save money. But as I have shown, not signing gio has cost tfc money.

JT Red127
10-04-2019, 07:29 AM
Why else would they do it other than to save money. But as I have shown, not signing gio has cost tfc money.

Seba got an offer that was more money than he would get anywhere else in his career, it had little to do with TFC wanting to save money. The actions of this club this season has not been one of cutting budget. I think we can agree to disagree on why we think Seba isnt here anymore.

Ben - D.O.W.
10-04-2019, 07:34 AM
now that mls has released the updated salary figures, has lost the voyageurs cup and looks like won't have a home game we can now analyze the cost in dollars of not signing seba.

the following contains some guesstimate assumptions, some are solid figures. all figures in USD

assume seba would have signed back for 6.5m
pozuelo salary $3.8m
gallardo salary $0.3m
benezet salary $0.6m
do not count omar as he is not an offensive player, so he is not relevant to this discussion

2000 less people at each game in the cheap seats 2000x17x45=1.5m
missing game 1 of concacaff 25000 season seats x$60 USD $1.5M
missing one home playoff game 25000 x $80 USD = $2M USD
assume we finish at least 4th with seba and easily beat mtl with seba

cost $6.5 for seba

expenses
3.8+.6+.3+1.5+2+1.5=9.7m spent or lost money from less fans at game and missing concacaff game and playoff game

whoever made the decision to not resign seba cost tfc roughly $3.2 M USD. 9.7-6.5=3.2
if i owned tfc and this was my money i would be pissed, heads would roll
sorry Bill had to point this out

Let's assume we buy all your assumptions (which I think is being very generous) - if you add in all the information others have added your results are still backwards.

Seba was never coming back for less than $7 mil.

On the other side we have $4.7m in new salaries, and $1.67 in lost revenue ($5 million from your assumptions * 1/3 due to revenue sharing) for $6.37m in outlays. So even if we somehow managed to sign Seba for $6.5m they're still better off financially. I still don't think this move was about TFC trying to cut costs, but I don't see it costing the team millions.

And all of that assumes Seba is the same player he was 2 or 3 years ago. Which he clearly isn't. I know he's unmotivated in his new league, but to think he'd come back here and be his old self is wishful thinking in my eyes.

ensco
10-04-2019, 08:08 AM
I think keeping Seba made some economic sense, but not for the arguments made above (I think almost every number in the above is wrong).. the real argument is TV. We don’t have the visibility we used to on the but I bet his absence is really felt in those numbers.

It didn’t make much football sense, unfortunately.

NOMOTFCBSFROMFO
10-04-2019, 09:39 AM
I think keeping Seba made some economic sense, but not for the arguments made above (I think almost every number in the above is wrong).. the real argument is TV. We don’t have the visibility we used to on the but I bet his absence is really felt in those numbers.

It didn’t make much football sense, unfortunately.I disagree The years before SEBA were brutal I was at BMO wondering why I supporting this team,with the arrival of Seba MB and Josy IT WAS FUN TO WATCH. This year I find myself with a lack of interest, Seba VV and the rest made the experience at BMO fun. This is what is lacking. My humble opinion says the Bill Manning miscalculated in the effects of a Seba less team. On the field on tv at the box office endorsements. After 9 years Sunday will be my last down at BMO

Initial B
10-04-2019, 11:47 AM
I think it's all been a trickle-down effect. When TFC signed Seba for 7 million per season, some Juventus fans said we were overpaying for him and others wished the team had matched his salary. When Al-Hillal signed Seba for 11.5 million per season, some TFC fans said they were overpaying for him and others wished the team had matched his salary. It kind of looks like the reverse Peter Principle.

stevep
10-04-2019, 12:06 PM
Let's assume we buy all your assumptions (which I think is being very generous) - if you add in all the information others have added your results are still backwards.

Seba was never coming back for less than $7 mil.

On the other side we have $4.7m in new salaries, and $1.67 in lost revenue ($5 million from your assumptions * 1/3 due to revenue sharing) for $6.37m in outlays. So even if we somehow managed to sign Seba for $6.5m they're still better off financially. I still don't think this move was about TFC trying to cut costs, but I don't see it costing the team millions.

And all of that assumes Seba is the same player he was 2 or 3 years ago. Which he clearly isn't. I know he's unmotivated in his new league, but to think he'd come back here and be his old self is wishful thinking in my eyes.

if it is 1/3 revenue sharing then wouldn't salaries be 1/3 also?

Red4ever
10-04-2019, 12:26 PM
This thread is more painful than the election