Match Day 8 - TFC @ Orlando Saturday 4 May 4pm - Excuse me while I kiss the sky

[OgtheDim]

Lately things they don't seem the same
Actin' funny, but I don't know why
Excuse me while I kiss the sky


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjwWjx7Cw8I


Oh..and what these people say too


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH83SsL_fIQ


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Have at It People

[Brooker]

The nerve. Andrea Lombardo hit the odd parking lot attendant. Nowhere near the sky.

[Oldtimer]

No Jozy, disjointed team, however this is MLS so anything can happen.

[Section_105]

"Scuse me, while I kiss this guy". Should we all get high for the match and bliss out?!?

one of the most misheard lyrics of all time. love it.

Hoping we show more intent and drive than last week. Really have to wonder about the motivation right now but hopefully it was as they said and everyone was just off for whatever reason.

2-4 for the good guys.

[OgtheDim]

Any MLS game in Florida is somehow weird

Every

single

one

[Kamp Berg]

Desi Lydic could be on to something 🤣🤣🤣

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VMJRa1IA_NY

[Fort York Redcoat]

Prolly at Joe's for this one. Gonna be a close one with high chance of goals. Tesho and Johnson. Hope they start.

[ensco]

I think Orlando is a top 3 team in the east.

I expect this place to go completely nuts if we lose, as we well may. May go on a siesta if that happens.

[DinamoTFC]

How a team can pull such a dull and uninterested performance like last week, at home, without any fixture congestion, against a team with a bad record, makes me confused. I have no idea how to predict this game. We can easily lose 3-0 or win 3-0.

[MightyDM]

At the moment I think Vanney has to go with a 4-4-2 Diamond. It’s the only way to make sense of the players he has available, with the width provided by Morrow and Auro. JHams and Auro up front, Poz at the top of the diamond, Oso and Deleon, then Bradley. I don’t know how that works versus Orlando but our strength is inside not outside at the moment ie Oso’s technical abilities so we should play to that strength. We don’t have any wingers so don’t play a formation that uses them.

[Lil'John]

Yes. The width was lacking on Saturday. When we get to the goal line and cross then we're dangerous.

[Blindside16]

I am not very confident we can get a result in this one. Orlando seem to be finally hitting their stride. Nani is going to cause major problems with our backline. I wonder if Moor is healthy enough to crack the line up this week.

[Hamilton_Red]

Vanney said that Moor is out for this game. Jozy on the bench possibly.

[Mikmacdo]

Vanney said that Moor is out for this game. Jozy on the bench possibly.

Tough one to win, I'm thinking it will be a 2-2 draw.

[Bobo]

I can see Vanney going with a 5-4-1 away against a good offense/suspect defense. Oso and Delgado on either side; DeLeon has been less effective in recent games and should see the bench.

[burlington Red]

As a Utd fan, Nani was one of the most frustrating players I've ever seen at the club. Absolute pure brilliance and then utter shite in equal measures. It was because you knew he was so talented that when he did stupid decisions it exacerbated it so much more. On his day he's top drawer. The one thing he never liked was the physical aspect. Jamie Carragher once famously done him in a game and he genuinely looked scared to go near the ball again afterwards. It's unfortunate that we don't have that physical type, and not neccessarily a dirty player, as I've seen him shy away in other games where players hit him hard but fair.

[MightyDM]

As a Utd fan, Nani was one of the most frustrating players I've ever seen at the club. Absolute pure brilliance and then utter shite in equal measures. It was because you knew he was so talented that when he did stupid decisions it exacerbated it so much more. On his day he's top drawer. The one thing he never liked was the physical aspect. Jamie Carragher once famously done him in a game and he genuinely looked scared to go near the ball again afterwards. It's unfortunate that we don't have that physical type, and not neccessarily a dirty player, as I've seen him shy away in other games where players hit him hard but fair.

Keep an eye on the General early doors.

[MightyDM]

Is still like to see the 3-5-2 with these players - Ayo and JHams up front.

[OgtheDim]

Weather tomorrow in Florida at kickoff

32 feeling like 36

40 % chance of rain



Our guys are not going to enjoy this

[Richard]

Weather tomorrow in Florida at kickoff

32 feeling like 36

40 % chance of rain



Our guys are not going to enjoy this

I would take that any day over the garbage weather we have been having.

[MightyDM]

Weather tomorrow in Florida at kickoff

32 feeling like 36

40 % chance of rain



Our guys are not going to enjoy this

Not a day for pressing....

[ensco]

Weather tomorrow in Florida at kickoff

32 feeling like 36

40 % chance of rain

Our guys are not going to enjoy this

Oh boy. These games in the high heat/humidity, I cannot remember a single one going well.

[OgtheDim]

Oh boy. These games in the high heat/humidity, I cannot remember a single one going well.

2017 is always the outlier

https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2017-07-05-orlando-city-sc-vs-toronto-fc/details/video/109863

[ensco]

2017 is always the outlier

https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2017-07-05-orlando-city-sc-vs-toronto-fc/details/video/109863

True.

We once won a game in Denver when the temperature was over 100 degrees. Chad Barrett scored on a FK. Seems like 1000 years ago though.

[Fort York Redcoat]

Oh boy. These games in the high heat/humidity, I cannot remember a single one going well.

Yeah. Players slow down. Look thirsty. I drink more.

It'll be a slog.:scarf:

[James17930]

Is still like to see the 3-5-2 with these players - Ayo and JHams up front.

Yeah, I want to see something like this too. If Vanney trots out the same line-up and formation as the past too games, with guys playing out of position and not having any ideas, I'm going to be pissed.

[Auzzy]

2017 is always the outlier

https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2017-07-05-orlando-city-sc-vs-toronto-fc/details/video/109863

Amazing getting that win, with that line-up, specifically in defense. Orlando wasn't good, but TFC wasn't as bad as I would have expected them to be. Interesting also how our perception of players changes over time, often depending on circumstances.

Of course the highlights only give you a glimpse. I have no idea anymore how lucky TFC was in that game, when considering overall play & serious chances. The stats didn't look good for TFC: https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2017-07-05-orlando-city-sc-vs-toronto-fc/stats

E.g. 42 to 24 duels won, in favour of Orlando.

[Mark TFC]

I see a draw this match.

[leafsman]

Dont get MLS scheduling, we play at night when its cold and they play during the day when its hot.

[firm]

Yes are scedule was great first couple of years now it’s gone down hill. Can’t make most of games now. TFC wins 3-1

[MightyDM]

Dont get MLS scheduling, we play at night when its cold and they play during the day when its hot.

They don't care about the fans any more - all for TV. Don't really care about the players, for that matter.

[69Chevy396]

Orlando wins 3-0. This, more than a TFC win or draw, may be the impetus for real changes needed on this team. In my opinion, front office believed Poz was going to replace Seba and VV, and be the lightning rod for the club, and ticket sales. While very good, against lesser teams, Poz has recently demonstrated he is human. Getting hacked in the shins has slowed him down, and without Josie, he simply can’t do everything on his own.....a resounding thumping today will hopefully motivate Manning...if nothing has been done by next week, this team will be a mess, getting worse each game and with each new injury.

[RedsYNWA]

OK I'm going to say it. I will give this game away to the weather gods so that

OUR SHITTY WEATHER IN TORONTO THIS YEAR ENDS

[Cuchulain]

Looking at the standings our points per game is the best in the East. I think our boys rebound with a strong effort after the game they threw at home. Tie game today. Gonna go to Joe to take it in. I'll have a couple of extra Topps Now Pozuelo debut cards to sell/trade if you want to gab one. Text 416-627-1155--Brian

[PawTar711]

Lets go you reds, I think that its been a while since we've done a good job in Toronto, as a person from Mississauga, I think we need to revamp this roster and revamp the motivation at the stadium to win against Nani, who is from Manchester United. I think everything will be ok.

Sincerely,

PawTar711

[Oldtimer]

Thank you Vanney for starting Westberg.

[ag futbol]

Still only one forward. I hope we have a better plan to threaten goal than last game

[Richard]

https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/1124754880370040834

[Auzzy]

Guess I gotta buy a new antenna for my TV, can't even receive CTV anymore. Argh...

[Oldtimer]

Still only one forward. I hope we have a better plan to threaten goal than last game

I would rather play two up top, 3-5-2.

[ag futbol]

You could even move DeLeon up top. He did pretty well with that for the first game or two

[Thomas]

Hold off off on that new antenna. First try autoloading the OTA channels again. I had to do that yesterday, as I lost CTV. Some kind of change on their end, me thinks.


Guess I gotta buy a new antenna for my TV, can't even receive CTV anymore. Argh...

[Mark TFC]

Anyone with a decent stream?

[Thomas]

Caldwell again...aghhhh

[Richard]

Sky Sports stream on #2.

http://cdn.livetvcdn.net/webplayer2.php?t=ifr&c=1169949&lang=en&eid=799146&lid=1169949&ci=64&si=1

Much better than the two bozos on TSN.

[Auzzy]

Hold off off on that new antenna. First try autoloading the OTA channels again. I had to do that yesterday, as I lost CTV. Some kind of change on their end, me thinks.

Thanks!! My antenna still sucks, I lost most of the other stations after re-scanning, but CTV is coming in clear now!

[MightyDM]

Our passing is really off. But recovering well so far.

[MightyDM]

JHams making some good runs, but no one seems to see them.

[MightyDM]

Auro / Oso. Nice.

[Auzzy]

Wow awful defending by Ciman on Dwyer. Let's him turn towards goal, then walks away from him.

[Gringo Starr]

Does mls have any fans, stadium looks empty

[Thomas]

What great save from Q. I think Bono would have let that one in.

[Auzzy]

TFC frigging falling asleep, come on guys!

Amazing pass from Pozuelo to Auro! Most people aren't moving to give him options though.

[DinamoTFC]

I feel bad for pozuelo, outside of jozy our players are shit offensively/creatively.

[Hamilton_Red]

Morrow is a shadow of his former 2017 self.

[Thomas]

Mavinga saving our bacon thus far.

[stegosaurus]

Mavinga saving our bacon thus far.

Mavinga has been excellent this half.

[MightyDM]

Blatant Foul there. Pull back on Hamilton. Yellow for d3liberate, referee gives nothing.

[MightyDM]

Mavinga looks hurt

[Auzzy]

OMFG this team.

Will they come out of the locker room just as flat, or with a bit more drive?

Nice counter attack there, but Hamilton way too timid.

[MightyDM]

Yeah, Hamilton should have run inside the player

[Auzzy]

I would like to see a replay of that Pozuelo corner.

[stegosaurus]

This is why Hamilton isn’t good enough to start as lone striker.

Pozo is going to get just as angry as Seba playing with these guys...

[Mark TFC]

Sky Sports stream on #2.

http://cdn.livetvcdn.net/webplayer2.php?t=ifr&c=1169949&lang=en&eid=799146&lid=1169949&ci=64&si=1

Much better than the two bozos on TSN.

Thanks dude!

[DinamoTFC]

Hamilton can't play as a lone striker. Why do we keep experimenting like this? He needs a second striker beside him or hes a 60 minute sub, nothing more.
Take Delgado off and put akinola on too.

Westberg playing excellent. At times too good for his teammates as Osorio demonstrated on one play not opening up for him to relieve pressure.

[Gringo Starr]

I hope Vanney doesn't wait until the 60th to change something

[notthesun]

Yeah, Hamilton should have run inside the player

Yeah. I know he's no Jozy but c'mon man, that should be any striker's instinct as soon as Pozuelo plays it to DeLeon. You know the first time cross is coming, you want to charge across your defender, get in front of him from his blind side. He made an outside run at the start of the move which is good to stretch the defense as Pozuelo is running in but once he plays that ball wide you have to cut to the front post. He just glides in at the back post the whole time...

[OgtheDim]

Does mls have any fans, stadium looks empty

To be fair, there was banging Thunderstorm an hour before kick off.


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Humid game for a Northern climate team - if our defence was organized, I'd say we were in with a chance to nip this one. Pozuelo has 3 decent passes all half & creates some chances. Their defence can be had but our guys don't move the ball around fast enough - looking at Auro & Delgado here as the worst culprits.

Laryea off the bench for Delgado maybe.

[69Chevy396]

Yeah, Hamilton should have run inside the player
Hamilton’s first touch, and instincts around goal, are woeful. As I posted earlier, without a quality striker, this team will rely on luck, to score any goals....I call them the Osorio tap in.....Can’t any of these players take a shot, at least once, per game? The one touch football is great, when you have some form of closing strategy.....another game where a Seba moment of brilliance is sorely missed.....Still predicting an easy Orlando win

[stegosaurus]

Hamilton can't play as a lone striker. Why do we keep experimenting like this? He needs a second striker beside him or hes a 60 minute sub, nothing more.
Take Delgado off and put akinola on too.

Westberg playing excellent. At times too good for his teammates as Osorio demonstrated on one play not opening up for him to relieve pressure.

It’s really inexplicable. He’s capable of scoring when no one is paying attention to him, but he can’t get on the end of a pass to save his life. May as well not even play someone up top if this is our Plan B.

[Mark TFC]

So far Mavinga looking good. Bradley the General as always. Pozo looking to string together some goals but no one is helping him out, no options up top, and lack of creativity/urgency from our attackers (Hamilton). He's putting himself in better opportunities to notch a goal but he's not quite there just yet; should have gotten in on the defender and not behind. Anyway, draw at half is not bad and we're holding the possession... that being said, more creativity needed going into the second.

[Derko]

Take Degado, and bloody awful, supposedly skillful Osorio off, those 2 are the disapointments of the year, TFC are too soft, not ruthless whatsoever, wtf, Mavinga man of the match so far, 8 corners to 1 for Orlando, horrible

[Auzzy]

Hamilton can't play as a lone striker. Why do we keep experimenting like this? He needs a second striker beside him or hes a 60 minute sub, nothing more.
Take Delgado off and put akinola on too.

Westberg playing excellent. At times too good for his teammates as Osorio demonstrated on one play not opening up for him to relieve pressure.

Exactly! Delgado off; Akinola on; Deleon back next to Bradley.

Plus we only have one striker on the bench, in this heat. This is what Vanney will do instead, unfortunately: no early subs; Hamilton stays on alone until he's completely gassed around the 65th minute; then straight swap Akinola for Hamilton, and we'll be just as toothless. Plus Pozuelo will get tired in this heat, trying to play both midfield & forward.

[Mark TFC]

Osorio is too busy trying to score wondergoals. Take a touch, be patient, hit it with your right. Dude is taking the volley on his left.

[C.Ronaldo]

is delgado even on the field
I hate to keep harping on him but come on, Id seriously think of endoh a run. His work ethic might spark something....ANYTHING

[OgtheDim]

Our defenders are good "apart from that one time when they did that inexplicable thing...." Its been true of every single defender TFC has had baring Drew Moor. I get the competition level but when I'm watching other teams, I just don't see this level of inconsistency.

[stegosaurus]

is delgado even on the field
I hate to keep harping on him but come on, Id seriously think of endoh a run. His work ethic might spark something....ANYTHING

He’s not even on the bench.

[OgtheDim]

Endoh has played every single minute of TFCII so far. Not sure he's the Delgado switch.

[C.Ronaldo]

Hamilton can't play as a lone striker. Why do we keep experimenting like this? He needs a second striker beside him or hes a 60 minute sub, nothing more.
Take Delgado off and put akinola on too.

Westberg playing excellent. At times too good for his teammates as Osorio demonstrated on one play not opening up for him to relieve pressure.

yuuuuuuuup

[C.Ronaldo]

He’s not even on the bench.
i meant switch their positions on the roster

im done with delgado

[OgtheDim]

De Leon's hair is about like this game. Shows some colour but not sure what it is trying to do.

[stegosaurus]

i meant switch their positions on the roster

im done with delgado

They don’t play the same positions though.

[ag futbol]

That's a frustrating half if i ever saw one.

Vanney completely out to lunch tactically IMO. We're either attacking centrally and looking at maybe 2 options actually getting into the 18 yard box at a time or trying to play wide through Morrow who is (to be frank) offsensively inept.

[Auzzy]

What a waste. Pozuelo playing as striker, standing next to a huge defender, waiting for a pass that will never come to him because nobody else is able to build up the play.

[ag futbol]

Good grief, what is it with MLS refs and missing the obvious? Watching hamilton beat his man, get stepped on and fall over and get no call defies logic.

[stegosaurus]

That's a frustrating half if i ever saw one.

Vanney completely out to lunch tactically IMO. We're either attacking centrally and looking at maybe 2 options actually getting into the 18 yard box at a time or trying to play wide through Morrow who is (to be frank) offsensively inept.

Morrow’s horse placenta season is long over.

Why are we playing cross the ball into the box and hope someone somehow bungles in a goal? We honestly don’t have the personnel to play that style either...

Also, Hamilton isn’t even useful for getting calls. He’s seriously getting hacked...

[Auzzy]

Good grief, what is it with MLS refs and missing the obvious? Watching hamilton beat his man, get stepped on and fall over and get no call defies logic.

Yeah that was shocking.

[ag futbol]

Yeah that was shocking.
Yeah, it's almost like these refs are logically inept.

What exactly did Saviga think happened here in light of not calling the foul? Did he think Hamilton dove after beating his man and looking towards the middle of the field for an easy pass to continue the attack? ridiculous.

[ag futbol]

How here's an eye widening sub if i ever saw one. Wouldn't dare put on a forward or anything of that nature.

[Auzzy]

I gotta say, I don't like Vanney's tactics, but maybe today he said the right thing in the locker room for once. TFC pressing much better this half, looking much more motivated. The problem is, if they don't score a goal right now, they'll be so gassed that Orlando will run away with the rest of the game.

[stegosaurus]

Yeah, it's almost like these refs are logically inept.

What exactly did Saviga think happened here in light of not calling the foul? Did he think Hamilton dove after beating his man and looking towards the middle of the field for an easy pass to continue the attack? ridiculous.

It’s stupid. Either it’s a dive or a foul. It’s one of those things that is irritating even in better leagues... if you don’t call the fouls, it has to be a dive, which is a cardable offense. If it’s not a dive, it’s what? It’s not playing the advantage... who knows. MLS reffing is awful at best.

[Thomas]

Mavinga in absolute beast mode.

[Voodooman]

Mavinga Player of the Game for sure. Great to see a bounceback performance from him.

[Auzzy]

Wow Osorio that was awesome.

[stegosaurus]

Mavinga in absolute beast mode.

Yeah, he’s been our best player today for sure.

[69Chevy396]

I eat my shorts....Osorio...jesus

[ensco]

Two Orlando defenders undressed there!

[ag futbol]

Thank god. We really needed that.

What a goal!

[stegosaurus]

That was a nice goal.

[DinamoTFC]

Mavinga a beast like his old self.

Osorio excellent goal

[stevep]

Wileman is terrible

Drones on about irrelevant shit, instead of describing the game.
He really frustrates me

[Richard]

How nice is it to actually be able to put some passes together.

[MightyDM]

Hamilton’s first touch, and instincts around goal, are woeful. As I posted earlier, without a quality striker, this team will rely on luck, to score any goals....I call them the Osorio tap in.....Can’t any of these players take a shot, at least once, per game? The one touch football is great, when you have some form of closing strategy.....another game where a Seba moment of brilliance is sorely missed.....Still predicting an easy Orlando win

you guys are awfully hard on Hamilton. He’d been making good runs all game without anyone feeding him. And he has already scored nice goals for us this year. Inconsistent, sure, but woeful? You don’t score the goals he does without some ability.

[stegosaurus]

Chapman’s awareness is so bad he’s actually hindering players who know how to play.

[Thomas]

Much more alive this half. Must have had a couple double espressos.

[MightyDM]

Take Degado, and bloody awful, supposedly skillful Osorio off, those 2 are the disapointments of the year, TFC are too soft, not ruthless whatsoever, wtf, Mavinga man of the match so far, 8 corners to 1 for Orlando, horrible

Osorio is awful. Terrible. A Diaster. Why is he even on this team? What is Vanney thinking?

[stevep]

Chapman’s awareness is so bad he’s actually hindering players who know how to play.

You really gotta watch what you post on this forum

[Auzzy]

you guys are awfully hard on Hamilton. He’d been making good runs all game without anyone feeding him. And he has already scored nice goals for us this year. Inconsistent, sure, but woeful? You don’t score the goals he does without some ability.

I don't think Hamilton is bad. But I don't think he should be expected to play alone up front.

Golazo!!! Beautiful pass by Pozuelo, amazing touch by Chapman.

[ag futbol]

That was gilt-edge by Chapman. Kid can shoot with that right foot.

[Richard]

Good stuff, and Poz again with the vision.

[Thomas]

Poz to Chaps. Very nice effort.

[tfcfans]

Let’s finish this well boys!!

[ensco]

Bit of a howler, that one.

[ag futbol]

Bit of a howler, that one.
A tad, but if someone is going to smash a ball that hard and that low a few yards away from you there's always a chance it gets in.

[stegosaurus]

You really gotta watch what you post on this forum

That was terrible goalkeeping. Plus, when I criticize players they score.

[Auzzy]

I'm hoping somebody seriously attacks Pozuelo & Akinola here on the forum now. Then we'll soon have four goals.

[Richard]

Shut up Caldwell. Jesus. Just Shut up.

[stegosaurus]

i'm hoping somebody seriously attacks pozuelo & akinola here on the forum now. Then we'll soon have four goals.

akinola blew that chance geez!

[notthesun]

Chapman! As someone said here last time he scored: he did it for the 'gram!

Awesome ball by Pozuelo. Credit to Chapman for a great first touch. And I was gonna say this earlier, but it's more apt now... can't believe Brian Rowe is still starting in MLS.

[stegosaurus]

Chapman! As someone said here last time he scored: he did it for the 'gram!

Awesome ball by Pozuelo. Credit to Chapman for a great first touch. And I was gonna say this earlier, but it's more apt now... can't believe Brian Rowe is still starting in MLS.

I’m already picturing the smug Instagram captions and endless reposting of different angles of this goal.

[Voodooman]

Shut up Caldwell. Jesus. Just Shut up.


What's he going on about now?

All of the streams I had suddenly switched to freaking hockey, luckily found a Sky Sports one.

[Richard]

What's he going on about now?

All of the streams I had suddenly switched to freaking hockey, luckily found a Sky Sports one.

Every minute detail of being a great substitute, and describing that goal down to the way his left ass cheek moved on the play.

[MightyDM]

I don't think Hamilton is bad. But I don't think he should be expected to play alone up front.

Golazo!!! Beautiful pass by Pozuelo, amazing touch by Chapman.

Fair re JHams. Chapman has come into his own this year. He’s earned starting minutes.

[OgtheDim]

We could still lose this one because I don't trust our defence until the whistle blows.

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Osorio's goal was oddly similar to a certain famous Giovinco goal.

[stegosaurus]

Delgado... seriously?

[Auzzy]

Akinola already gassed?

[MightyDM]

What. A. Save

[Richard]

Westburg needs to start for the rest of the year.

[jloome]

What. A. Save

Settling any question of who the starter is tonight.

[stegosaurus]

RIP Bono’s starting minutes.

[OgtheDim]

Let it be shouted to the world

WESTBERG IS A SHOT STOPPER


I think we have our keeper people

[Thomas]

Yeah,Q is making Bono look poor today.

[Auzzy]

Mavinga & Westberg outstanding.

I think Westberg has to be more vocal though.

[MightyDM]

Did you see that? Westberg yelled “Jay and kicked the ball 50 yards right on to Chapman’s head. Wow.

[Auzzy]

5 minutes extra seems like unnecessary torture.

[ensco]

Mavinga & Westberg outstanding.

I think Westberg has to be more vocal though.

If only those two and Ciman could understand each other...

[stegosaurus]

5 minutes extra seems like unnecessary torture.

No water break either. Refs are absolute sadists.

[MightyDM]

Mavinga & Westberg outstanding.

I think Westberg has to be more vocal though.

probably needs to learn their names....

[stegosaurus]

If only those two and Ciman could understand each other...

In France, “Newfie jokes” are “Belgian jokes.”

[C.Ronaldo]

Vanney: they are different keepers with diff playing styles

Westberg: nahh...im just a good keeper

[daner90]

Well done lads, 3 points and a clean sheet on the road!

[Auzzy]

If only those two and Ciman could understand each other...

LOL. Maybe they all didn't get the memo.

Great second half! I hope Vanney taped that half-time talk and learns from it.

[MightyDM]

Looked like a different team from the Portland game, at least in the second half.

[notthesun]

This is how you kill a game off. 2 and a half straight minutes of composed possession. Well done boys.

[ag futbol]

Definitely some good performances today. Especially from the two CB's and Westberg. Chapman very effective coming on late.

Once we take a lead and teams can't as easily blanket Poz, we look like we're going to score 5 goals every time. That said, it was extremely lucky that we scored that first one. Did not look at all like we were going to break through before that point. One forward set with Hamilton playing up top continues not to be smart.

[OgtheDim]

The gulf in quality between us & Orlando was eye opening.

As long as we have our heads into it (I don't think we did for long stretches of the first half), we are a playoff team. Team woke up when Osorio did his thing & then Poz got some space and that was all she wrote.

[ensco]

Westburg needs a nickname.

Vincent Van Gogh?

[stegosaurus]

Mavinga and Westberg were absolutely excellent today.

Despite an uninspiring first half we somehow scored two great goals from a guy with a bad haircut and a D-list Instagram influencer.

What a rollercoaster ride!

[OgtheDim]

The Western Wall

[ManUtd4ever]

Excellent effort in the second half. If Bono was in goal, I'm not sure we get 3 points today.

[FootBallAZ]

Ciman looked good.
Mavinga is a baller.
Osorio looked like a man possessed on that goal. Shot before was nice. 3g 4a on the year.

Chapman did well, happy he was able to get an assist for pozo.

Bradley was solid.

Q is refreshing to have seems to be mentally strong. Even when he messed up at the end with mavinga, he made up for his own mistake. Like to see that and I think is distribution was good.

Pozo should have at least another assist if auro had the same touch as Chapman.

He is a beast, gets off a decent shot before going down. Needs a breather and back in the game.


Good road win.

[69Chevy396]

Wileman is terrible

Drones on about irrelevant shit, instead of describing the game.
He really frustrates me
Agreed. He would have failed communications and broadcasting 101. The guy has no clue, and should be forced to sit in a dark room, and listen to 5 hours of his play by play. Foster Hewitt knew how to build excitement just by saying the players name, changing his inflection, speed, lifting and raising, his voice. And, you could close your eyes and know what was going on....Wileman takes your attention away from the pitch, and strands you in his blather and babble.

[stegosaurus]

Westburg needs a nickname.

Vincent Van Gogh?

How about some sort of cross between his surname and iceberg, because he’s cool and composed.

Got it! Let’s nickname him... Westburg.

[69Chevy396]

Best goal Osorio has made in MLS competition. Mavinga and Ciman were great. Keeper, was great....Must say, I was surprised

[Gringo Starr]

Game of two halves thankfully, I'm not a big Oso fan but that was a great piece of individual skill. Westburg needs to be the starter going forward

[Oldtimer]

Westberg was quite good. If he didn't save that early attempt, TFC probably wouldn't have won. His positioning, distre, and shot stopping was good.

Vanney's tactical change in the second half, as well as his substitutions were just what was needed. :thumbsup:

Orlando made a tactical error in subbing off Will Johnson for a more aggressive posture, trying to win the game. That's what opened up space for the first goal.

Two goals by two Canadians. Plus as they mentioned on the broadcast, Vanney now has more wins than all of TFC's previous coaches put together, in 107 less games.

[notthesun]

Despite some shaky moments so far this season I always had full confidence in Mavinga still being a top CB in MLS. Huge game from him today. Ciman was also quite good. He is such a wildcard... seems it's either high highs or low lows for him. We'll see tomorrow but today he was pretty solid.

Westberg should just be the #1 keeper now. Give Bono the Canadian Championship games. Almost definitely no clean sheet if Bono had been starting. I really like Westberg's distribution as well (though Vanney should probably tell him to have a little less confidence under intense pressure...).

As ag said when we have a lead and the other team has to open up we get chances at will it seems. Sort out our backline and work on breaking down set defenses and we could really make a run this year.

Osorio just keeps chugging along. To echo Wileman, "new contract, same Jonathan Osorio".

Last thing, seeing Pozuelo go down under this heat in the 82nd minute and then go on to play the rest of the game and make some hard runs too, that concerns me. Remember he's played a full season already in Belgium this year and when we signed him management said they realized it and would try to watch his minutes. I'm worried we're not gonna do that because he's so vital already.

[leedsandTFC]

Osorio is too busy trying to score wondergoals. Take a touch, be patient, hit it with your right. Dude is taking the volley on his left.
lol owned

[Oldtimer]

Orlando wins 3-0.

I'm glad that prediction wasn't true.

[MightyDM]

The Western Wall

Like it

[stegosaurus]

Despite some shaky moments so far this season I always had full confidence in Mavinga still being a top CB in MLS. Huge game from him today. Ciman was also quite good. He is such a wildcard... seems it's either high highs or low lows for him. We'll see tomorrow but today he was pretty solid.

Westberg should just be the #1 keeper now. Give Bono the Canadian Championship games. Almost definitely no clean sheet if Bono had been starting. I really like Westberg's distribution as well (though Vanney should probably tell him to have a little less confidence under intense pressure...).

As ag said when we have a lead and the other team has to open up we get chances at will it seems. Sort out our backline and work on breaking down set defenses and we could really make a run this year.

Osorio just keeps chugging along. To echo Wileman, "new contract, same Jonathan Osorio".

Last thing, seeing Pozuelo go down under this heat in the 82nd minute and then go on to play the rest of the game and make some hard runs too, that concerns me. Remember he's played a full season already in Belgium this year and when we signed him management said they realized it and would try to watch his minutes. I'm worried we're not gonna do that because he's so vital already.

Agree with everything. Ciman is a bit of a hot/cold player unfortunately, but I never understood the Mavinga criticism. He’s one of the best defenders in the league, clutch, etc. He may not have a Moor-like MLS IQ, but he’s one of the best defenders in the league and when he’s on it must irritate everyone on the opposing team.

Everyone blames the bad times on Moor being out, but Mavinga being out hurt us too. Moor can coordinate and makes few mistakes, but he’s also slow. No one in MLS is consistently making inch perfect last ditch tackles and when Mavinga is on he’s head an shoulders above the majority of MLS defenders.

We harp on bad defense but most teams don’t have defenders like Mavinga (or even Ciman). They have a bunch of Zavaleta-tier guys and even bench defenders for TFC start for other teams.

[stegosaurus]

lol owned

You forgot to post this on Jay Chapman’s instagram photo of his goal ;)

[69Chevy396]

I'm glad that prediction wasn't true.
I know, eh....first half they were utterly dominated, but the second half, was TFCs best in 2019.

[General Woolfe]

A great three points at the end of the day. Hands up who saw that coming at halftime? After a very lethargic opening 45 we really stepped it up a gear and ended that game by far the better side and deserved winners. Ive been critical of his form lately but what a goal by Osorio. In that one move he showed what he's capable of, and why TFC have placed such faith in him. Mavinga again had a solid game at the back and along with a couple of top classs saves from Westberg kept us in it in the first half, and in front in the second. Honourable mention to the captain who again was solid throughout.

We'll see what the next week brings and if Curtis can earn his corn. I still think we need a top class striker, although I don't doubt we need shoring up at the back. Its just the former is more of a priority for me than the later. Either way i'm not convinced Gonzalez (and the salary he'd bring with him) is the answer

Anyway, Onward and upwards, let hope we make those two games in hand count in the coming weeks

[James17930]

Wow. I'm shocked. I thought for sure this was going to be a loss.

I wasn't able to watch the game – what was different? What did we do to win?

[Gringo Starr]

Vanney's tactical change in the second half, as well as his substitutions were just what was needed. :thumbsup:

Thank god for cramps and heat stroke otherwise the substitutions might not have happened. We looked better in the second half so he should get credit but we were utter crap in the first half and if Orlando had scored we probably don't win. Not sure why he can't try something different from the get go

[Canary10]

Nice win! Hopefully that quiets the nattering nabobs of negativity for at least five days.

I honestly don’t know how Oso has had so much criticism. He continues to just be a good footballer.

[RedsYNWA]

Guys the sky is NOT falling .. a few pick ups over the next few weeks, plus Jozy back = BEST IN THE EAST

[RedsYNWA]

Lets leave the Choke jobs to the pros .... Leafs/Raps:facepalm:

[OgtheDim]

Wow. I'm shocked. I thought for sure this was going to be a loss.

I wasn't able to watch the game – what was different? What did we do to win?

Our best were better than theirs. Mavinga & Westberg were excellent - Ciman only had 1 brain fart. Osorio bit of brilliance, combined Pozeulo and Chapman bit of brilliance.

And Bradley played higher up the pitch.

[James17930]

Our best were better than theirs. Mavinga & Westberg were excellent - Ciman only had 1 brain fart. Osorio bit of brilliance, combined Pozeulo and Chapman bit of brilliance.

And Bradley played higher up the pitch.

So it seems Vanney did adjust a bit, but not too much. Okay, I suppose it was enough.

But will he actually so as far as moving Delgado out of the lineup? We'll see.

[RedsYNWA]

Some people on this board would always complain even if we had Real Madrids line up...which of course sucks

[stegosaurus]

Some people on this board would always complain even if we had Real Madrids line up...which of course sucks

Complaining about sports is the equivalent of complaining about the weather or politics.

Should be proud the discussions rarely achieve the levels of angst displayed between Game of Thrones book readers and TV watchers.

[DOMIN8R]

I have listened/read several analysts/players/coaches opinions regarding today's game. It appears that the heat/humidity affects different players in different ways. Obvious - I know. We may be a team that plays well in the heat and under certain conditions. Each 45 was very different - we played to win in the second half. On the road!!!!

Certain Orlando players were having obvious fatigue/heat issues that benefited us, while some of our players seem to be less impacted (Mavinga, Ciman, Auro, General, etc.). Just thought that I would share my observation. Happy and surprised by this win, given our recent show of weaknesses.

The month of May will say a lot about this team.

Can we help Morrow, who is technically gifted in reading the play and with the ball at his feet, to return to his former glory and shoot with more accuracy?????

Q is our man.


On to Atlanta who play KC away on Sunday (tomorrow) and Orlando at home next Sunday. They have played only 7 home games, because of Champions League. But their MLS home record is 1-1-2!!!
I Sounds
familiar, like
TFC 2018!!!

[Hamilton_Red]

Bradley looked like he could play another 90minutes - the man is as fit as it is possible to be. I would be surprised if he plays til close to 40.

[Derko]

Nice win! Hopefully that quiets the nattering nabobs of negativity for at least five days.

I honestly don’t know how Oso has had so much criticism. He continues to just be a good footballer.

I would say consistency, sometimes Oso just disappears from the match, he turned up in the second half,
first half he was trying to be more skillful than he is and loses possession. Nothing to do with being a nattering nabob of negativity.
It was a great goal by Oso, but I saw nothing from him in the first half, if he had been as tenacious in the first half,
perhaps a better game from him, just what I was seeing

[Mikmacdo]

I would say consistency, sometimes Oso just disappears from the match, he turned up in the second half,
first half he was trying to be more skillful than he is and loses possession. Nothing to do with being a nattering nabob of negativity.
It was a great goal by Oso, but I saw nothing from him in the first half, if he had been as tenacious in the first half,
perhaps a better game from him, just what I was seeing

Osorio is averaging almost a point a game and playing out of position. I want to see how he does as a link between Bradley and pozuelo.

[ag futbol]

I would say consistency, sometimes Oso just disappears from the match, he turned up in the second half,
first half he was trying to be more skillful than he is and loses possession. Nothing to do with being a nattering nabob of negativity.
It was a great goal by Oso, but I saw nothing from him in the first half, if he had been as tenacious in the first half,
perhaps a better game from him, just what I was seeing
I think it’s worth keeping in mind they’ve often had Osorio playing as a near FW on the left side. It’s a thankless job for Oso cause he doesn’t fit that role, he’s just plugging gaps.

If he’s going to look like he did last year they need too hurry up and sign players to fill these holes. Kick Delgado to the bench and allow Osorio to play centrally, or at least closer to Pozuelo. That’s how you’re going to get the most out of him.

[Brooker]

Thoughts on tonight?

https://media1.tenor.com/images/beda6c33e9143ac5aba27d9f4d2c2de9/tenor.gif

[SirBobSaget]

The gulf in quality between us & Orlando was eye opening.

As long as we have our heads into it (I don't think we did for long stretches of the first half), we are a playoff team. Team woke up when Osorio did his thing & then Poz got some space and that was all she wrote.

I wouldn't say there was a gulf in quality. Orlando could have scored 3 in the 1st half, they dominated. Osorio's goal came out of no where then after TFC dominated. Orlando looked more to have lost the game rather than being outmatched.

[Derko]

I think it’s worth keeping in mind they’ve often had Osorio playing as a near FW on the left side. It’s a thankless job for Oso cause he doesn’t fit that role, he’s just plugging gaps.

If he’s going to look like he did last year they need too hurry up and sign players to fill these holes. Kick Delgado to the bench and allow Osorio to play centrally, or at least closer to Pozuelo. That’s how you’re going to get the most out of him.

Now this is the point, and agree

[GuelphStorm2007]

Lets leave the Choke jobs to the pros .... Leafs/Raps:facepalm:
Good One LOL

[Fort York Redcoat]

Job done. Bring on Atlanta. Great day at Joe's btw.

[Brooker]

Lets leave the Choke jobs to the pros .... Leafs/Raps:facepalm:

What does this have to do with the standout away performance lastnight? 2 beautiful goals to boot.

Fuck this shit. Stop it. The Leafs lost. We get it. The raps are down 2-1. You have to win 4.

There are some people here who are from Toronto on here. Can u chill?

You're a Liverpool "fan." Is it cool to mention YOU bottlers (figuratively and criminally, go to google.) and literal hooligans attacking civilians/staff.... isn't that a little more facepalm worthy?

It's insufferable trolling garbage.

[stegosaurus]

What does this have to do with the standout away performance lastnight? 2 beautiful goals to boot.

Fuck this shit. Stop it. The Leafs lost. We get it. The raps are down 2-1. You have to win 4.

There are some people here who are from Toronto on here. Can u chill?

You're a Liverpool "fan." Is it cool to mention YOU bottlers (figuratively and criminally, go to google.) and literal hooligans attacking civilians/staff.... isn't that a little more facepalm worthy?

It's insufferable.

Disregarding the era where TFC were abysmally awful...

While TFC did win an MLS cup being “the best team ever,” we also choked away two pieces of silverware allowing us to complete the Toronto choke trifecta.

As much as I love TFC, this is a team that can’t score penalties or make use of a 1 (or even 2) man advantages.

That said, Liverpool bottling the league in a spectacular fashion (a slip, for instance) and going out to Barca (who I despise) as well would be hilarious. I don’t have a horse in the prem, but since City has no fans or supporters they’re probably the ideal squad to win. No one to be smug afterwards :)

[ensco]

While TFC did win an MLS cup being “the best team ever,” we also choked away two pieces of silverware allowing us to complete the Toronto choke trifecta

As much as I love TFC, this is a team that can’t score penalties or make use of a 1 (or even 2) man advantages.



I hate this take. I really really hate it.

We didn’t “choke” away two pieces of silverware.

The 2016 final was a joke. Playing in minus 10 on concrete isn’t soccer. Seattle didn’t even take a shot, and we still were a millimeter away. That wasn’t a soccer game.

CCL 2018, I’ll rank our three games in Mexico against any three road playoff games any MLS team has ever played. We were playing way above our weight class, undermanned, and we were magnificent. Losing that series to Chivas wasn’t choking.

[stegosaurus]

I hate this take. I really really hate it.

We didn’t “choke” away two pieces of silverware.

The 2016 final was a joke. Playing in minus 10 on concrete isn’t soccer. Seattle didn’t even take a shot, and we still were a millimeter away. That wasn’t a soccer game.

CCL 2018, I’ll rank our three games in Mexico against any three road playoff games any MLS team has ever played. We were playing way above our weight class, undermanned, and we were magnificent. Losing that series to Chivas wasn’t choking.

I know, ensco, I was being facetious.

[Brooker]

Disregarding the era where TFC were abysmally awful...

While TFC did win an MLS cup being “the best team ever,” we also choked away two pieces of silverware allowing us to complete the Toronto choke trifecta.

As much as I love TFC, this is a team that can’t score penalties or make use of a 1 (or even 2) man advantages.



this isn't choking or bottling. It's not even something to be embarrassed about. I don't get it?

once again, what does this have to do with lastnight which was pretty sick. great smash and grab 3 points.

[ensco]

I know, ensco, I was being facetious.

Oh snap, I see what you did.

Apologies. Carry on.

Also the Blue Jays coughed it up hard against the Royals, while we are at it.

[stegosaurus]

Oh snap, I see what you did.

Apologies. Carry on.

Also the Blue Jays coughed it up hard against the Royals, while we are at it.

Sorry :)

[stevep]

I hate this take. I really really hate it.

We didn’t “choke” away two pieces of silverware.

The 2016 final was a joke. Playing in minus 10 on concrete isn’t soccer. Seattle didn’t even take a shot, and we still were a millimeter away. That wasn’t a soccer game.

CCL 2018, I’ll rank our three games in Mexico against any three road playoff games any MLS team has ever played. We were playing way above our weight class, undermanned, and we were magnificent. Losing that series to Chivas wasn’t choking.

When they say Seattle won the 2016 MLS cup. I just shake my head.
I consider that game a tie.
Will always call that game a tie

[TFC1986]

Amazing game. Defense and midfield, really gave us the shutout

[stevep]

I don't know where to post this so I will post it here.
It's not so easy to win when the other team parks the bus.
If not for Bono we beat Chicago

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019/05/05/los-angeles-football-club-0-chicago-fire-0-2019-mls-match-recap

[ensco]

When they say Seattle won the 2016 MLS cup. I just shake my head.
I consider that game a tie.
Will always call that game a tie

I honestly want to be the road team in the 2019 MLS Cup. I want a real soccer game.

We’d bring a couple of thousand fans wherever it is (as long as it’s not KC, which is probably even colder than here)

it would be party time.

[Bushmancan]

I honestly want to be the road team in the 2019 MLS Cup. I want a real soccer game.

We’d bring a couple of thousand fans wherever it is (as long as it’s not KC, which is probably even colder than here)

it would be party time.


Here! here!

[Hamilton_Red]

When they say Seattle won the 2016 MLS cup. I just shake my head.
I consider that game a tie.
Will always call that game a tie

Yep - the way I refer to it is.... Seattle got the Cup in 2016...they didn't win it.

We won it in 2017.

I'd take 2018 over again in a heartbeat...the Concacaf run was worth more than an MLS season for me.

[MightyDM]

Yep - the way I refer to it is.... Seattle got the Cup in 2016...they didn't win it.

We won it in 2017.

I'd take 2018 over again in a heartbeat...the Concacaf run was worth more than an MLS season for me.

With just one more goal... Marky.

[stegosaurus]

When they say Seattle won the 2016 MLS cup. I just shake my head.
I consider that game a tie.
Will always call that game a tie

This mentality is hilarious.

I bet Zaza tucks himself in at night while screaming “It was a draw! A draw! I’ll always call that game a draw!”

The loss to Seattle in 2016 was a direct result of the team being incapable of breaking down a bunkered up parked bus, something that was an issue for ages and that staff probably should have worked on (but probably didn’t). It wasn’t that Seattle was the better team or anything, it’s that they knew what to do and had our number. Luck didn’t swing our way on a few chances and that’s that.

Teams know that penalties are a possibility and TFC is as awful at taking them as our keepers are at saving them.

PSG just lost the French cup to an inferior Rennes when a young player who was just subbed on to take a pen and who has been rumoured to be seeking a transfer to Rennes missed. No one said, “It was a draw.” It was a loss. Just like TFC lost to Seattle in 2016. People are upset. They probably should be. No reason to make excuses when the excuses you’re making absolve a major error the team committed ad infinitum.

Still picturing Zaza screaming “it’s a draw!” as he performs one of the most ridiculous penalties ever.

[Oldtimer]

Locked this thread. It's gone way off topic, in a bad way.