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OgtheDim
04-14-2019, 07:23 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WOZwwRH6XU


Ready or not here we come
Gettin' down on the one which we believe in....



Givin' you more of what you're
Funkin' for


*********

Have at It People

Gazza
04-15-2019, 08:06 AM
Tough test against a team that purifies themselves in the waters of Lake Minnetonka.

Mikmacdo
04-15-2019, 08:36 AM
3-2 tfc. 3-1 if moor is back on the pitch. Hopefully Minnesota comes to play and doesn't just park the bus in the backfield.

James17930
04-15-2019, 10:29 AM
I want to clarify something I said in the Seattle match thread, and I'm doing it here because it should pertain to this game too.

I said Poz looked disinterested, because he really wasn't tracking back much to try to get passes from the midfield, but then I realized it probably had more to do with what (as someone pointed out in the thread) Steven Caldwell had said about Bradley's positioning. Basically, whenever Bradley plays way the back, as basically a third CB, or else just in front of the back line, he's so far back that Poz can't be the first option. They're just too far apart on the field. So it always had to try to go through Oso or Deleon or Morrow first, and while that sometimes works, if they passes get stopped, Poz ends up just hanging around up high with no service, or else he's got to come way back to try to collect the pass, and that's not ideal.

This is exactly what happened in the 2nd half when TFC when to 4 in the back. Bradley played super deep, and, aside from the pass to Jozy for the 2nd goal, Poz barely even touched the ball. So they've got to realize they can't play Bradley like that and figure something else out.

JayMolly
04-15-2019, 10:58 AM
Time to set the pvr.
A match at BMO on Good Friday doesn't work for us. . . .

stevep
04-15-2019, 11:44 AM
3-2 tfc. 3-1 if moor is back on the pitch. Hopefully Minnesota comes to play and doesn't just park the bus in the backfield.

this

OgtheDim
04-15-2019, 11:46 AM
Time to set the pvr.
A match at BMO on Good Friday doesn't work for us. . . .

Same here - evening makes it worse.

paul-collins
04-15-2019, 11:49 AM
Basically, whenever Bradley plays way the back, as basically a third CB, or else just in front of the back line, he's so far back that Poz can't be the first option. They're just too far apart on the field. So it always had to try to go through Oso or Deleon or Morrow first, and while that sometimes works, if they passes get stopped, Poz ends up just hanging around up high with no service, or else he's got to come way back to try to collect the pass, and that's not ideal.
Yeah I had this problem with the 2 up top in previous years when VV was pressed into the 2.

I'd rather put Osorio or the like in that striker role and keep the maestro sitting behind the striker(s). For the Seattle game I'd have just swapped Poz and Oso.

notthesun
04-15-2019, 03:36 PM
Minnesota is similar in ways to us in that so far they've been trying to outscore their problems, but they haven't been as dangerous going forward and they've been even leakier at the back.

If Moor starts we should win by multiple goals. If he doesn't start things could get hairy.

notthesun
04-15-2019, 04:38 PM
Looks like Auro is available:

https://twitter.com/AuroJr02/status/1117903124943884288

ensco
04-16-2019, 06:23 AM
It was a genius decision to play this at 8pm. Head to head with the Raps playoff game. Good Friday. Passover. Forecast 7 degrees and rain at kickoff. That's for Toronto, it'll be colder at the lakeshore.

It'll be high of 12, chance of showers, Saturday afternoon, and high of 16, mostly sunny, Sunday afternoon. No Leafs or Raptors conflicts either afternoon.

This kind of thing is why I dropped my season's tickets.

I get that Section 112 may not care (unless they need to sell!) but boy, they are giving the finger to an awful lot of people with these discretionary early season night games.

This is a good game, an interesting game, that has been killed off by this decision. Odds of seeing decent football severely diminished if temp is low single digits. Plus the injury risk...

Joe Kool
04-16-2019, 06:46 AM
The Good Friday timing kills my ability to go too like some others. Too bad. Mix that in with the other factors like Ensco said and you have a good recipe for some lower attendance numbers.

MightyDM
04-16-2019, 07:10 AM
It was a genius decision to play this at 8pm. Head to head with the Raps playoff game. Good Friday. Passover. Forecast 7 degrees and rain at kickoff. That's for Toronto, it'll be colder at the lakeshore.

It'll be high of 12, chance of showers, Saturday afternoon, and high of 16, mostly sunny, Sunday afternoon. No Leafs or Raptors conflicts either afternoon.

This kind of thing is why I dropped my season's tickets.

I get that Section 112 may not care (unless they need to sell!) but boy, they are giving the finger to an awful lot of people with these discretionary early season night games.

This is a good game, an interesting game, that has been killed off by this decision. Odds of seeing decent football severely diminished if temp is low single digits. Plus the injury risk...

I am with you Ensco. They are making all the decisions now for TV, not for the in stadium experience. This risks what makes TFC different and magical in the first place. All games this time of the year should be in the afternoon. Even VAR is really there for TV viewers - the delay inhibits the excitement in the stadium - lots of other things too. Quite worrying because what is so great about TFC is that the fans in the stadium make the spectacle. If we are going to simply become props for TV it risks killing my interest, that is for certain.

sidvan
04-16-2019, 07:20 AM
I am with you Ensco. They are making all the decisions now for TV, not for the in stadium experience. This risks what makes TFC different and magical in the first place. All games this time of the year should be in the afternoon. Even VAR is really there for TV viewers - the delay inhibits the excitement in the stadium - lots of other things too. Quite worrying because what is so great about TFC is that the fans in the stadium make the spectacle. If we are going to simply become props for TV it risks killing my interest, that is for certain.

Don't get the TV dictating this all the time. Viewership is low at best and Good Friday night is not going to help this. Just a poor decision all around.

JT Red127
04-16-2019, 08:12 AM
At the very least they should move this game to Friday afternoon, no idea why they would not be a Saturday afternoon game. Added is Leafs and Raptors will be playing playoff games, many people will make the decision for different reasons that they just aren't attending this match. That really is just a big eff you from the team.

Cas87
04-16-2019, 08:46 AM
At the very least they should move this game to Friday afternoon, no idea why they would not be a Saturday afternoon game. Added is Leafs and Raptors will be playing playoff games, many people will make the decision for different reasons that they just aren't attending this match. That really is just a big eff you from the team.

They are hedging their bets on a long weekend.
Knowing that it is Easter weekend TFC know that their best bet for a good crowd would be the Friday night.

- Friday afternoon -- people still travelling or going to service/mass
- Friday night (BEST BET for a Good Crowd)-- most services are done (I know some are still at night), plus when the MLS schedule was set, the NHL/NBA playoffs weren't set in stone yet. Plus it is still a Friday night out.
- Saturday (any time) -- people running errands for Easter/Travelling for Easter
- Sunday -- IT IS EASTER, forget about it

ryan
04-16-2019, 09:10 AM
I'm not really sure how plotting the schedule out months ago could have predicted:

A) The Weather
B) The Raps/Leafs Playoff Schedule

You also just can't move games because you feel like it. TV Broadcasters and Advertisers might have an issue with it.

ensco
04-16-2019, 09:18 AM
I'm not really sure how plotting the schedule out months ago could have predicted:

A) The Weather
B) The Raps/Leafs Playoff Schedule

You also just can't move games because you feel like it. TV Broadcasters and Advertisers might have an issue with it.

You actually could have predicted that the weather would be bad, ie too cold. It generally is at night until the end of April. Which is the first and by far the most important point.

The rest is just icing on the stupidity cake.

OgtheDim
04-16-2019, 09:37 AM
TSN likes the night time atmosphere at BMO - I usually prefer it to afternoons, to be honest.

Just not on a holiday.

JT Red127
04-16-2019, 09:59 AM
They are hedging their bets on a long weekend.
Knowing that it is Easter weekend TFC know that their best bet for a good crowd would be the Friday night.

- Friday afternoon -- people still travelling or going to service/mass
- Friday night (BEST BET for a Good Crowd)-- most services are done (I know some are still at night), plus when the MLS schedule was set, the NHL/NBA playoffs weren't set in stone yet. Plus it is still a Friday night out.
- Saturday (any time) -- people running errands for Easter/Travelling for Easter
- Sunday -- IT IS EASTER, forget about it

I'd say no question that Saturday afternoon is best bet for a larger crowd, especially at this time of year.

Cas87
04-16-2019, 10:08 AM
I'd say no question that Saturday afternoon is best bet for a larger crowd, especially at this time of year.

If it wasn't a Saturday between 2 holidays where Stores are closed and many people travel for as well.

ensco
04-16-2019, 10:22 AM
If it wasn't a Saturday between 2 holidays where Stores are closed and many people travel for as well.

You think this is why we should endanger our players, pretty much guarantee that the caliber of play will be crap, and force season ticket holders to be miserable?

I think it is not.

MightyDM
04-16-2019, 02:02 PM
You actually could have predicted that the weather would be bad, ie too cold. It generally is at night until the end of April. Which is the first and by far the most important point.

The rest is just icing on the stupidity cake.

Exactly. All of these early games should be afternoon. We will be lucky if no-one gets hurt.

MightyDM
04-16-2019, 02:03 PM
TSN likes the night time atmosphere at BMO - I usually prefer it to afternoons, to be honest.

Just not on a holiday.

In march or april....

leafsman
04-16-2019, 02:58 PM
The funny thing is now TSN will get almost no viewers by having it go up against Leafs and Raps but not like they could predict that although youd know the NHL and NBA playoffs are in full swing. All March and April games should be during the day on a Saturday or Sunday.

tfcfans
04-16-2019, 04:06 PM
As others have stated - my bet when the schedule came out is that this would be the lowest attended game of the year in terms of actual people in the seats (even before factoring in the weather)....while you can't predict exactly when the Leafs/Raptors will play, it's fairly obvious that you have a very good chance of avoiding both with an early afternoon Saturday start (1:00PM?) ---the Leafs for sure are not playing early on a Saturday afternoon and a 1:00PM start time probably avoids almost all of the NBA time-slots for a potential Raptors conflict - plus as most have said, Good Friday, Passover on the first few nights is a bigger thing then in the afternoon on Saturday etc. makes this a scheduling disaster waiting to happen -- as for shopping and getting stuff done on the long weekend - if a game ended on Saturday at 3:00 pm it would still give most people time to get their affairs in order before Easter Sunday I would imagine too.....frankly it was a game I sold as soon as I could because I knew it was a problem even before the Leafs/Raptors thing was factored in.....let's be honest if the Raptors have Game 7 on Saturday the 27th there is a good chance that it would not be in the 3:00pm time slot which will help --- frankly I thought scheduling the Inaugural CanPl match at a conflicting time was also asinine in terms of creating a conflict with TFC fans, but apparently there are people who think it's more important to have that game on a Saturday rather than on Sunday when they could have had the entire southern Ontario market to themselves that day.....

Fort York Redcoat
04-16-2019, 06:32 PM
I'm all for afternoon matches. Lights are for midweek and Champions League.

Oldtimer
04-16-2019, 07:05 PM
I'm for afternoons spring and fall, evenings in July and August, However MLSE is owned by two media companies, and it's all about TV content these days. Friday night is great viewing time.

DinamoTFC
04-16-2019, 07:55 PM
TSN likes the night time atmosphere at BMO - I usually prefer it to afternoons, to be honest.

Just not on a holiday.

For me I'll always prefer night games. It looks and feels better. The crowd is louder and more into the game. Just not on a holiday like you said

MightyDM
04-16-2019, 08:24 PM
For me I'll always prefer night games. It looks and feels better. The crowd is louder and more into the game. Just not on a holiday like you said

Really interesting. I just assumed that most people were like me, loved the Saturday at 3 pm kick off - you could still have a beer after and get home at a reasonable time. The odd night game is nice for a change, but only in the heat. Best for the players too - nights in the winter / spring risk injury and hurt the soccer.

Interesting that some are like you, all nights, all the time.

Areathrasher
04-16-2019, 08:32 PM
For me I'll always prefer night games. It looks and feels better. The crowd is louder and more into the game. Just not on a holiday like you said

Agreed

PizzaEatingYeti
04-17-2019, 02:08 AM
The odds for attendance at major sportsbooks for this match:
OVER = over the given number of butts in the stands
UNDER = under the given number of butts in the stands

OVER 15,000 = odds of -135
UNDER 15,000 = odds of +115

OVER 17,000 = odds of -110
UNDER 17,000 = odds of -110

OVER 19,000 = odds of +115
UNDER 19,000 = odds of -135

OVER 21,000 = odds of +145
UNDER 21,000 = odds of -165

OVER 23,000 = odds of +180
UNDER 23,000 = odds of -200

:drinking::hide::stogey:

stevep
04-17-2019, 10:17 PM
The odds for attendance at major sportsbooks for this match:
OVER = over the given number of butts in the stands
UNDER = under the given number of butts in the stands

OVER 15,000 = odds of -135
UNDER 15,000 = odds of +115

OVER 17,000 = odds of -110
UNDER 17,000 = odds of -110

OVER 19,000 = odds of +115
UNDER 19,000 = odds of -135

OVER 21,000 = odds of +145
UNDER 21,000 = odds of -165

OVER 23,000 = odds of +180
UNDER 23,000 = odds of -200

:drinking::hide::stogey:

Where the heck did you find this

69Chevy396
04-18-2019, 07:41 AM
It was a genius decision to play this at 8pm. Head to head with the Raps playoff game. Good Friday. Passover. Forecast 7 degrees and rain at kickoff. That's for Toronto, it'll be colder at the lakeshore.

It'll be high of 12, chance of showers, Saturday afternoon, and high of 16, mostly sunny, Sunday afternoon. No Leafs or Raptors conflicts either afternoon.

This kind of thing is why I dropped my season's tickets.

I get that Section 112 may not care (unless they need to sell!) but boy, they are giving the finger to an awful lot of people with these discretionary early season night games.

This is a good game, an interesting game, that has been killed off by this decision. Odds of seeing decent football severely diminished if temp is low single digits. Plus the injury risk...
Me too. Attended every game in 2017 and every playoff game. Dropped season ticket in 2018 because the move away from Sat afternoon games coupled with inclement weather fatigue, was the final straw

Jack
04-18-2019, 08:49 AM
Friday night games suck, in general. This schedule blows ass.

Blindside16
04-18-2019, 09:19 AM
It looks like Minnesota's backline may be a little light as Opara is still out with injury. Hopefully this frees up a bit more room for Jozy

Bushmancan
04-18-2019, 09:28 AM
Friday night games suck, in general. This schedule blows ass.

Agreed, just a very stupid date to do a Friday night game.... when Saturday afternoon would have been perfect.

TFC1986
04-18-2019, 11:51 AM
Haha. You know as more teams are added it'll be like this more and more.

C.Ronaldo
04-18-2019, 12:04 PM
I like how the timing of the game is dominating discussion.

its a stupid time to put on a game, even for TV purposes.

I'll be with family so both attending and TV is not happening

You might as well play on Christmas Morning

stegosaurus
04-18-2019, 09:38 PM
I like how the timing of the game is dominating discussion.

its a stupid time to put on a game, even for TV purposes.

I'll be with family so both attending and TV is not happening

You might as well play on Christmas Morning

Other teams, including MLS’ darling LAG are playing on Friday evening.

A zillion teams are playing Saturday.

The biggest Premier League teams are playing Sunday. Easter Sunday. So are Spanish, French, and German teams.

...

Yeah, it’s not ideal if you’re leaving the city or have religious plans, but some people have the day off, it’s not the day people hang out with family generally speaking, and Sunday would probably be the worst day to hold and Easter weekend match.

In England teams play on Boxing Day despite it being historically idiotic and people not heading out to matches due to spending time with family.

Is it the best time for a match? Don’t know. It’s Friday night and lots of people have the day off. Infinitely better than a Wednesday evening game, which we’ve had plenty of.

Comparing it to Christmas morning is nonsensical at best.

ensco
04-19-2019, 06:48 AM
“A zillion teams are playing Saturday”

That is because that is the day you should play on Easter weekend. Especially if Passover is also on the Friday.

This isn't that hard.

CBTFC
04-19-2019, 07:55 AM
Game Day!

Yeah, it's at arguably the worst time of an Easter Weekend. Yeah, it's gonna be cold, windy and rainy.

But once the ref blows his whistle signalling kickoff, none of that matters. We support the Reds whether we're at the stadium, or home on the couch.

And hey, you could always think of it as 4/20 eve! ;) :P

OgtheDim
04-19-2019, 08:12 AM
https://league-mp7static.mlsdigital.net/images/tor-parley_0.png

Just a reminder that this is the home uniform tonight. Its "lets not get as much plastic into the oceans" weekend.

flambe
04-19-2019, 08:44 AM
https://league-mp7static.mlsdigital.net/images/tor-parley_0.png

Just a reminder that this is the home uniform tonight. Its "lets not get as much plastic into the oceans" weekend.

Love the look of these parley shirts.

James17930
04-19-2019, 08:50 AM
Love the look of these parley shirts.

They kinda look like practice shirts, though.

And I never like when they alter the colours in the crest.

flambe
04-19-2019, 08:52 AM
They kinda look like practice shirts, though.

I guess, I just like the simplicity.

ensco
04-19-2019, 08:59 AM
I like this “plastics in the ocean” idea.

If you are going to force alternate jerseys out there, at least let it have some purpose. Having every team do it at once gives it impact.

stegosaurus
04-19-2019, 09:37 AM
“A zillion teams are playing Saturday”

That is because that is the day you should play on Easter weekend. Especially if Passover is also on the Friday.

This isn't that hard.

A lot of people leave for the entire long weekend, including Saturday, just like cottage long weekends in the summer. I’d rather have games on a Friday night regardless of whether or not it’s a religious holiday than midweek games.

I won’t be here, but I think the scheduling isn’t that insidious. It’ll give you something to watch with the family instead of a Pawn Stars, Storage Wars, or Drive ins, Diners and Dives marathon.

stegosaurus
04-19-2019, 09:47 AM
I like this “plastics in the ocean” idea.

If you are going to force alternate jerseys out there, at least let it have some purpose. Having every team do it at once gives it impact.

I’d pay extra if they donated the money to the sweatshop worker who made the kit and put their name on the back.

Red CB Toronto
04-19-2019, 11:16 AM
“A zillion teams are playing Saturday”

That is because that is the day you should play on Easter weekend. Especially if Passover is also on the Friday.

This isn't that hard.

Yeah it seems Passover is keeping more people away from BMO today than Good Friday is.

Mister Karpf
04-19-2019, 11:23 AM
Anyone know if they Parley jerseys will be available at BMO? I was gonna order online but after shipping, and not being able to apply my season ticket discount, it’s about $30 more.

Hamilton_Red
04-19-2019, 12:12 PM
Yeah it seems Passover is keeping more people away from BMO today than Good Friday is.

Soccer is the Religion....BMO is the Church...Vanney is the Priest/Rabbi/Reverend/Imam....Pozuelo is the maestro of the choir

It's time for all you sinners to atone for your sins - the soccer gods are watching. There are no excuses.

whositwhatnow
04-19-2019, 12:35 PM
so is anyone going tonight lol, hope the rain slows down later.

catz4ever
04-19-2019, 12:37 PM
With the Leafs and Raptors playing tonight and the rain I’m debating on staying home to be able to watch it all. Any thoughts?

Super
04-19-2019, 12:47 PM
With the Leafs and Raptors playing tonight and the rain I’m debating on staying home to be able to watch it all. Any thoughts?

Yeah, it seems like everything is going against this game. Leafs and Raptors, religious holiday, crazy rain, Friday (for many). Still, I'd love to go because they're actually very exciting this year, and at least the roof (sort of) covers most.

Gringo Starr
04-19-2019, 12:54 PM
We win when it rains, it will be weird to cheer for a blue team though

MightyDM
04-19-2019, 01:20 PM
With the Leafs and Raptors playing tonight and the rain I’m debating on staying home to be able to watch it all. Any thoughts?

Yes. Go to BMO.

MightyDM
04-19-2019, 01:20 PM
We win when it rains, it will be weird to cheer for a blue team though

Totally bizarre. The email said something like “Reds fans, get your blue jersey tonight”

MightyDM
04-19-2019, 01:21 PM
so is anyone going tonight lol, hope the rain slows down later.

Yes. Most are going. It will be a fascinating and important game.

sidvan
04-19-2019, 02:13 PM
There for the cold one in Feb and all others since. Not today. Family, weather and commitments. Sorry not happening. Not apologizing just wish it could be tomorrow regardless.

buddies
04-19-2019, 02:22 PM
New Hybrid pitch should get a good workout anyway ... any chance they might show the first period of the Leaf game on the screen prior to kickoff? Would be nice to get to BMO early, grab a couple of cold one's and have a TFC rendition of Maple Leaf Square. Always thought MLSE should've hired the TFC South End for a serious atmosphere bump at their tailgates at Leaf and Raptor games.

flatpicker
04-19-2019, 03:11 PM
https://league-mp7static.mlsdigital.net/images/tor-parley_0.png



I like the look of this shirt.
Anyone know if it fits the same as the 2018 jersey?

MightyDM
04-19-2019, 03:34 PM
I like the look of this shirt.
Anyone know if it fits the same as the 2018 jersey?

It. Is. BLUE

MightyDM
04-19-2019, 03:36 PM
There for the cold one in Feb and all others since. Not today. Family, weather and commitments. Sorry not happening. Not apologizing just wish it could be tomorrow regardless.

You shouldn’t apologize. But you should call your ticket rep and tell him. If they hear it enough there is a chance that they will not put early season games on on Friday evenings, let alone Easter and Passover. It’s not like it’s a surprise.

flatpicker
04-19-2019, 04:02 PM
It. Is. BLUE

lol
I appreciate your devotion to team colours,
but I think this colour will look good on me.
And who doesn't want to be as sexy as possible,
while still supporting their team?

ensco
04-19-2019, 04:06 PM
Is it supposed to look like the ocean without plastic in it, or plastic recycled from the ocean?

flatpicker
04-19-2019, 04:10 PM
Is it supposed to look like the ocean without plastic in it, or plastic recycled from the ocean?

I guess it's ocean blue?
Though, I'd say deep ocean,
where there's a bit less light
but still creatures getting caught in plastic beer can rings.

oranje boven
04-19-2019, 04:30 PM
Back to wearing a winter coat and toque....sigh

sidvan
04-19-2019, 05:25 PM
I guess it's ocean blue?
Though, I'd say deep ocean,
where there's a bit less light
but still creatures getting caught in plastic beer can rings.

Did they use ocean plastic for the new plastic hybrid pitch - just green in colour? That should be the ad pitch unveiling for this game!

OgtheDim
04-19-2019, 05:39 PM
Based on the scuttlebutt this week, I think Bono starts


***********

It being the first night of passover, that means its a full moon tonight.

Checks on who the ref is: Ismail Elfath

Prepare for some weirdness!

stegosaurus
04-19-2019, 05:56 PM
It. Is. BLUE

Theoretically they can make other colours, but nearly every Adidas x Parley product has these same blue/teal colourways. It’s probably just the cheapest one to produce.

OgtheDim
04-19-2019, 06:07 PM
So the Chicago lineup - except Ciman in for Moor. Going to need to score 4.

MightyDM
04-19-2019, 06:30 PM
lol
I appreciate your devotion to team colours,
but I think this colour will look good on me.
And who doesn't want to be as sexy as possible,
while still supporting their team?

I dunno Flatpicker, never pictured you as sexy in TFC garb. A suit with cuff links, maybe.

MightyDM
04-19-2019, 06:36 PM
lol
I appreciate your devotion to team colours,
but I think this colour will look good on me.
And who doesn't want to be as sexy as possible,
while still supporting their team?


Based on the scuttlebutt this week, I think Bono starts


***********

It being the first night of passover, that means its a full moon tonight.

Checks on who the ref is: Ismail Elfath

Prepare for some weirdness!

It’s already weird. They are wearing blue....

morgank1986
04-19-2019, 06:36 PM
Does anyone have a stream? I'm stuck in Nashville.

portu
04-19-2019, 06:37 PM
Disappointed to see Bono starting

ag futbol
04-19-2019, 06:44 PM
Auro on the bench. Guess he’s still not 100%

Chubbs
04-19-2019, 06:53 PM
Does anyone have a stream? I'm stuck in Nashville.
A few streams available here:

https://www.footybite.com/football/toronto-fc-vs-minnesota-united-live-stream/ (https://www.footybite.com/football/toronto-fc-vs-minnesota-united-live-stream/)

portu
04-19-2019, 07:00 PM
Is it really so hard to make the blue in these parley jerseys red?

morgank1986
04-19-2019, 07:06 PM
A few streams available here:

https://www.footybite.com/football/toronto-fc-vs-minnesota-united-live-stream/ (https://www.footybite.com/football/toronto-fc-vs-minnesota-united-live-stream/)

Thanks.

stegosaurus
04-19-2019, 07:14 PM
Thanks.

There’s a YouTube stream on the reddit MLS match thread as well.

A few minutes in and the Jozy grabbing has already started. Maybe he needs to just paint his kit onto his chest?

jloome
04-19-2019, 07:22 PM
Is it supposed to look like the ocean without plastic in it, or plastic recycled from the ocean?

I think they did this to symbolize the fact that we're the only team to win a game in the Canadian Championship that doesn't have a blue uniform.

portu
04-19-2019, 07:25 PM
Bono again...

Bono with another laughable error

CBTFC
04-19-2019, 07:26 PM
#bonoout

jloome
04-19-2019, 07:26 PM
Caldwell: 'Yeah, it was excellent play from Delgado..." as he crosses ten feet past the back post.

Why is Richie Laryea marking Darwin Quintero? That's insane.

Yeah, Bono out wayyyy too early there.

RedsYNWA
04-19-2019, 07:27 PM
KURWA

If I ever see FAK dip stik Bono in net again :mad5:

portu
04-19-2019, 07:27 PM
Caldwell: 'Yeah, it was excellent play from Delgado..." as he crosses ten feet past the back post.

Why is Richie Laryea marking Darwin Quintero? That's insane.

Reference was to a left foot half volley to DeLeon which was an excellent play

OgtheDim
04-19-2019, 07:27 PM
Yup...Bono

notthesun
04-19-2019, 07:27 PM
Why is Bono playing????????? This goal is 100% on Vanney, absolutely ridiculous decision to start him.

Leedsoronto
04-19-2019, 07:27 PM
FFS Bone head, League one time needed for this jerk

Mikmacdo
04-19-2019, 07:28 PM
Bono needs to take a seat. Wow.

Hamilton_Red
04-19-2019, 07:28 PM
well deserved by Minnesota ..Caldwell GTF...Bono is done

adam1001
04-19-2019, 07:28 PM
Might as well put ‘bonehead’ on the back of Bono’s jersey. Ship him out

jloome
04-19-2019, 07:28 PM
Reference was to a left foot half volley to DeLeon which was an excellent play

Reference was about a minute too late, then.

portu
04-19-2019, 07:29 PM
Why is Bono playing????????? This goal is 100% on Vanney, absolutely ridiculous decision to start him.

Yeah can we blame Bono at this point? This is a Vanney issue. Guy shouldnt be starting

portu
04-19-2019, 07:29 PM
Reference was about a minute too late, then.

"It's a shame" in reference to Delgado's pass because of the "excellent play" from before.

OgtheDim
04-19-2019, 07:32 PM
I agree with Caldwell. Waaay too slow buildup.

Hamilton_Red
04-19-2019, 07:32 PM
btw anyone else think that Qintero was offside when the ball was kicked?

jloome
04-19-2019, 07:37 PM
I'm not sure Vanney can judge talent for shit. We gave up the wrong center back, we don't have any wingers but we shipped out Telfer on loan despite reasonable play from him last year, and Hamilton's back at TFC II despite scoring several times already. I think he bases all of his picks on personality first, talent second. I can see it being better than the reverse, as a talented headcase is still a headcase. WHy did we get rid of Lovitz, Raheem, and Hagglund despite all having had at least some good performances for us? I won't say Zavaleta was poor during the big year, because no one was really except maybe Cooper. But he was never great, never a player that made you confident. Raheem still has potential to be an excellent MLS player, Lovitz has been moved back to fullback -- something he's tried now with multiple wingers on the left but didn't try with Lovitz, who is now a U.S. international and consistently one of the better backs in the league. Playing in a stable role at Cincy, hagglund looks like he did his second year, and is a monster in the air.

Bono has looked shaky since his first year competing with -- and being outplayed by - Q, who wasn't good enough either. Yeah he had great stats in the cup year, but look at the line in front of him and how they performed. In retrospect Drew Moor should've been a candidate for defender of the year, he was so important.

Man, I dunno. Maybe his ability to mold them into a unit fools us sometimes into seeing Vanney's shortcomings.

RedsYNWA
04-19-2019, 07:37 PM
Good Lord we have one Great Player the best #10 for TFC

Mikmacdo
04-19-2019, 07:38 PM
Pozuelo!!!!

jloome
04-19-2019, 07:38 PM
Fucking epic strike in the meantime.

jloome
04-19-2019, 07:39 PM
Oh mang. Dude is clinical.

RedsYNWA
04-19-2019, 07:39 PM
POZUELO > Gio

Hamilton_Red
04-19-2019, 07:41 PM
Shut the eff up Caldwell

OgtheDim
04-19-2019, 07:43 PM
Next time somebody says "Poz doesn't look interested" or "Poz is not able to get going".....just wait. Only going to judge the man ever on a 90 minute body of work.

notthesun
04-19-2019, 07:43 PM
I'm not sure Vanney can judge talent for shit. We gave up the wrong center back, we don't have any wingers but we shipped out Telfer on loan despite reasonable play from him last year, and Hamilton's back at TFC II despite scoring several times already. I think he bases all of his picks on personality first, talent second. I can see it being better than the reverse, as a talented headcase is still a headcase. WHy did we get rid of Lovitz, Raheem, and Hagglund despite all having had at least some good performances for us? I won't say Zavaleta was poor during the big year, because no one was really except maybe Cooper. But he was never great, never a player that made you confident. Raheem still has potential to be an excellent MLS player, Lovitz has been moved back to fullback -- something he's tried now with multiple wingers on the left but didn't try with Lovitz, who is now a U.S. international and consistently one of the better backs in the league. Playing in a stable role at Cincy, hagglund looks like he did his second year, and is a monster in the air.

Bono has looked shaky since his first year competing with -- and being outplayed by - Q, who wasn't good enough either. Yeah he had great stats in the cup year, but look at the line in front of him and how they performed. In retrospect Drew Moor should've been a candidate for defender of the year, he was so important.

Man, I dunno. Maybe his ability to mold them into a unit fools us sometimes into seeing Vanney's shortcomings.

I think there's a good amount of truth to this, though I disagree on Hagglund. I haven't kept up with other teams closely since week 3, but in those first few games I saw some bad Hagglund mistakes on goals against. There was a time I thought Hagglund had a lot more promise than he seems to actually have. He offers different things from Zavaleta but ultimately I don't see either as being better or worse than the other.

Anyways this Pozuelo guy is money.

stegosaurus
04-19-2019, 07:47 PM
Next time somebody says "Poz doesn't look interested" or "Poz is not able to get going".....just wait. Only going to judge the man ever on a 90 minute body of work.

B-B-Belgian league isn’t good... this guy can’t be the real deal... 4 goals 4 assists in 4 games, almost had a hattrick.

He’s obviously the real deal, opposition fans have really taken notice as well.

portu
04-19-2019, 07:47 PM
I'm in love w the pozo

OgtheDim
04-19-2019, 07:49 PM
I'm Ok with the giving Bono a shot here tonight thing but enough is enough for me now. Q brings more to this team then Bono right now. Team needs that distribution, that leadership & that sense of stability. Bono can do that again - not now though. His confidence is gone.

C.Ronaldo
04-19-2019, 07:50 PM
Bonos needs to sit For a month or two

jloome
04-19-2019, 07:52 PM
He offers different things from Zavaleta but ultimately I don't see either as being better or worse than the other..

Yeah maybe, because of inconsistencies. But I would argue Zavaleta is considerably more inconsistent; he's also never averaged seven clearances a game or won the audi player index for overall performance multiple times. Hagglund has.

I'm not sure either is ever an ideal starter, but if I had to pick one it's Hagglund every time.

jloome
04-19-2019, 07:54 PM
B-B-Belgian league isn’t good... this guy can’t be the real deal... 4 goals 4 assists in 4 games, almost had a hattrick.

He’s obviously the real deal, opposition fans have really taken notice as well.

The funny thing is this probably betrays more about how American MLS fans often don't follow Europe than anything, because other than the fallacy about Belgium, there's also the fact that Pozuelo was pretty much lauded as a great player on all of his loans away from Spain, too. I mean, it's not like he's ever looked anything but a top-level player, regardless of the league he was in.

If Vasquez hadn't been terrified/injured in Mexico, they might say the same about him. He lost his spot in Barcelona to injuries but had just made the first team when it happened and did actually appear for them in Champions League. But they said the same thing about the Belgian league then.

'Muricans being 'murican.

jloome
04-19-2019, 07:58 PM
I'm in love w the pozo

When we play him up as a false nine, he shows how clinically technical he is by finishing like a life-long striker. He could probably break records up there with ease if he didn't spend as much or more time dishing out perfect passes.

Guy is maybe the best player in the league, age and potential longevity taken into consideration.

OgtheDim
04-19-2019, 07:58 PM
So the Chicago lineup - except Ciman in for Moor. Going to need to score 4.


I have not changed my mind.

TomLawrence
04-19-2019, 08:01 PM
The funny thing is this probably betrays more about how American MLS fans often don't follow Europe than anything, because other than the fallacy about Belgium, there's also the fact that Pozuelo was pretty much lauded as a great player on all of his loans away from Spain, too. I mean, it's not like he's ever looked anything but a top-level player, regardless of the league he was in.

If Vasquez hadn't been terrified/injured in Mexico, they might say the same about him. He lost his spot in Barcelona to injuries but had just made the first team when it happened and did actually appear for them in Champions League. But they said the same thing about the Belgian league then.

'Muricans being 'murican.

He's never had a single loan.

Oldtimer
04-19-2019, 08:08 PM
I don't blame Vanney for giving Bono another shot. However, it's on him if he keeps playing Bono and Bono plays like this.

stegosaurus
04-19-2019, 08:09 PM
When we play him up as a false nine, he shows how clinically technical he is by finishing like a life-long striker. He could probably break records up there with ease if he didn't spend as much or more time dishing out perfect passes.

Guy is maybe the best player in the league, age and potential longevity taken into consideration.

He’s also playing defense, back in our own box, tracking back and recuperating possession — impressive workrate. In the first half, Osorio lost the ball and then just stood there, doesn’t turn around, doesn’t try to retrieve the ball — just stood there.

Laryea is actually looking pretty decent in his tenure thus far, which surpassed my expectations. Ciman seems to have settled.

stevep
04-19-2019, 08:11 PM
Ssh since 2016 and this is the first rainy game. At 100's on east side.
Bone dry

jloome
04-19-2019, 08:13 PM
He's never had a single loan.

He was at Swansea for an entire year.

EDIT: Oh, you're right that was a full-time deal. I did not realize that.

OgtheDim
04-19-2019, 08:14 PM
Vanney calls out Bono during the half time interview. "Alex has to deal with it"

TomLawrence
04-19-2019, 08:15 PM
He was at Swansea for an entire year.

So? It wasn't a loan. And he was also fairly shit there.

stegosaurus
04-19-2019, 08:16 PM
In before Pozo no longer passes the ball to Johnny.

ag futbol
04-19-2019, 08:17 PM
I mean, at this point, Vanney should have dealt with it in advance. Last game should have really been the final straw in terms of Bono’s Kenya mistakes.

At this point Vanney is just doing to Bono what he did to Zavaleta last year: putting him out there to fail.

ag futbol
04-19-2019, 08:18 PM
On another note: it easy could have been 4-0 at half. We should put this one to bed in short order.

jloome
04-19-2019, 08:18 PM
So? It wasn't a loan. And he was also fairly shit there.

When we signed him there were Swansea fans on the MLS board saying he was one of the few players they wanted back. He had two goals and six assists in thirty six games, according to wikipedia, on a team that itself was fairly shit, so he can't have been that bad.

EDIT: In fact, according to Swansea media and Swansea folk in this Waking the Red Article, they thought quite highly of him. And they doubled their money on him in a year, buying him for 900k and selling him for 1.8M.

https://www.wakingthered.com/toronto-fc/2019/3/5/18252124/alejandro-pozuelo-toronto-fc-mls-transfer-signing-designated-player-swansea-city-coutinho

stevep
04-19-2019, 08:21 PM
Nice save Bono

stegosaurus
04-19-2019, 08:22 PM
So? It wasn't a loan. And he was also fairly shit there.

Even world class players don’t show up in the prem.

jloome
04-19-2019, 08:25 PM
What the fuck. Did Ciman try for that or was he genuinely shoved.

notthesun
04-19-2019, 08:25 PM
Ciman just got played. C'mon dude.

stegosaurus
04-19-2019, 08:26 PM
Ciman just got played. C'mon dude.

Idiotic. He had a decent first half too.

SoccMan2
04-19-2019, 08:27 PM
The biggest mistake of a signing in TFC history what a waste of money C fucken mon!

stegosaurus
04-19-2019, 08:31 PM
Elfath has just disrupted play twice in the span of a couple minutes...

jloome
04-19-2019, 08:33 PM
Elfath has just disrupted play twice in the span of a couple minutes...

The first was outrageous, way out of position and facing the wrong way. And did you see the look he gives Bradley and Pozuelo when they complain?

SilverSamurai
04-19-2019, 08:34 PM
lol
I appreciate your devotion to team colours,
but I think this colour will look good on me.
And who doesn't want to be as sexy as possible,
while still supporting their team?

I also like the Parley kit and it's likely as close as we're going to get to having a black alternate kit.

What I don't like is the price! Ouch!

ag futbol
04-19-2019, 08:34 PM
The defensive half of this team is ruining the work of the offensive half. We don’t need a left winger first, we need defenders we can count on.

The wide forward we keep asking for can come later

stegosaurus
04-19-2019, 08:36 PM
The first was outrageous, way out of position and facing the wrong way. And did you see the look he gives Bradley and Pozuelo when they complain?

You’d think his chicken legs would make it easier to avoid the ball. Someone clearly never did leg day.

He hasn’t been bad thus far considering his history with this team, but he needs to get out of the way.

jloome
04-19-2019, 08:36 PM
Holy shit that was a terrible tackle.

OgtheDim
04-19-2019, 08:38 PM
Bono mistake

Ciman mistake

Mavinga mistake

jloome
04-19-2019, 08:38 PM
We're gifting the points away tonight.

Hamilton's back. I still hold out hope for him; he seems like such a good finisher, but not very aggressive.

jloome
04-19-2019, 08:44 PM
Beauty. Osorio spotting the through ball.

ag futbol
04-19-2019, 08:44 PM
And this guy can’t get a game. Wake up Vanney

wopchop
04-19-2019, 08:46 PM
My man! Hamilton taking his shot. Fuck yeah.

stegosaurus
04-19-2019, 08:47 PM
And this guy can’t get a game. Wake up Vanney

Hamilton is hunnnngry.

Mikmacdo
04-19-2019, 08:47 PM
Hamilton! Nice pass from Osorio. Mavinga is basically a rich man's doneil Henry now, one bonehead play and one game saving tackle.

FootBallAZ
04-19-2019, 08:47 PM
Traveling for the game, seems like vanney out smarted himself and put bono back in. WTF did bono even make a save

Oldtimer
04-19-2019, 08:47 PM
You guys who blame Vanney for playing Bono, give Vanney credit for the substitution of Hamilton.

stegosaurus
04-19-2019, 08:48 PM
Better get hungrier because Jozy is dead again.

OgtheDim
04-19-2019, 08:48 PM
And Jozy says the word

Hamstring

jloome
04-19-2019, 08:57 PM
Fuck, that could've been horrible.

EDIT: MLS has to cut that shit out right quick.

notthesun
04-19-2019, 08:58 PM
Oh my god he almost broke his right leg.

stegosaurus
04-19-2019, 09:02 PM
Oh my god he almost broke his right leg.

What an absolute meltdown by Minnesota. Disgraceful on their part.

jloome
04-19-2019, 09:03 PM
Hamilton, two chances, two goals. Pozuelo, one chance, two goals.

Our defense was shambolic.

I think it was a great sub, great timing. Having said that, I think we've consistently underrated Hamilton's ability. It's not like this is the first time he's scored for us, he just never gets any time.

jloome
04-19-2019, 09:04 PM
What an absolute meltdown by Minnesota. Disgraceful on their part.

That was. I think Calvo knew it, too, he had that 'what the fuck was I thinking' look walking into the tunnel.

C.Ronaldo
04-19-2019, 09:07 PM
jozzzzzyyyy. i thought we fixed this shit

OgtheDim
04-19-2019, 09:08 PM
Will take the 3 points

I'm darn sure that's Jozy out until July

The defence is just not good enough

Hamilton played well & should be the starting up top striker for May through June.

stevep
04-19-2019, 09:09 PM
One of the best games I've ever seen at a regular season game at BMO

stegosaurus
04-19-2019, 09:09 PM
Hamilton, two chances, two goals. Pozuelo, one chance, two goals.

Our defense was shambolic.

I think it was a great sub, great timing. Having said that, I think we've consistently underrated Hamilton's ability. It's not like this is the first time he's scored for us, he just never gets any time.

It was a good sub. Minnesota’s defense is pretty bad, so the change in formation let Hamilton find some space and capitalize. Great performance from him.

If Jozy is going to be out we may see more of him, but he’ll be exposed incredibly quickly. The same thing happened with Ricketts.

notthesun
04-19-2019, 09:09 PM
It's funny how insanely predictable this game was. Minnesota is a glass cannon, and so are we without Moor. And that's exactly how the game played out. We need a TAM CB so badly.

I want to slightly walk back my comment earlier about Vanney's decision to play Bono. I still think it was the wrong decision, but I do understand the angle he was probably playing - sit Bono for a game to wake him up and make sure he knows his spot on the team sheet is being looked at and hopefully he responds when you start him next. But he's been playing so poorly for so long, it's time to demote him. And he didn't respond today anyways, so that angle didn't work. Give Westberg a run of games now.

Altidore with another hamstring injury is just... it's never going to change is it? He's so good when healthy. Fuck.

Well done Hamilton, Osorio, and obviously Pozuelo today.

stegosaurus
04-19-2019, 09:11 PM
jozzzzzyyyy. i thought we fixed this shit

His foot. Jozy’s hamstrings are basically dried out elastics from a bag of green onions that you kept for the better part of a decade and snap as soon as you look at them.

OgtheDim
04-19-2019, 09:11 PM
..If Jozy is going to be out we may see more of him, but he’ll be exposed incredibly quickly. The same thing happened with Ricketts.

Something about him will get found out.

BUT

Ricketts had no first touch & couldn't pass so people just let him have the ball in a 4-4-2/3-5-2 with Seba. In a 4-2-3-1, the striker doesn't get the ball that much.

C.Ronaldo
04-19-2019, 09:14 PM
It's funny how insanely predictable this game was. Minnesota is a glass cannon, and so are we without Moor. And that's exactly how the game played out. We need a TAM CB so badly.

I want to slightly walk back my comment earlier about Vanney's decision to play Bono. I still think it was the wrong decision, but I do understand the angle he was probably playing - sit Bono for a game to wake him up and make sure he knows his spot on the team sheet is being looked at and hopefully he responds when you start him next. But he's been playing so poorly for so long, it's time to demote him. And he didn't respond today anyways, so that angle didn't work. Give Westberg a run of games now.

Altidore with another hamstring injury is just... it's never going to change is it? He's so good when healthy. Fuck.

Well done Hamilton, Osorio, and obviously Pozuelo today.


may is ridiculously jam packed. jozy is missing ALOT of games

portu
04-19-2019, 09:16 PM
His foot. Jozy’s hamstrings are basically dried out elastics from a bag of green onions that you kept for the better part of a decade and snap as soon as you look at them.

Let's see how long he's out for anything more than a month and I'll discover if I can be more fed up with his injuries.

SoccMan2
04-19-2019, 09:17 PM
Get a Tam fucken C B it’s so obvious they need a CB , Ciman is a bloody joke I wouldn’t take him on my beer league team. Every time Moor is out TFC sucks ! Hurry up get another CB before it’s too late!

ag futbol
04-19-2019, 09:17 PM
My point would be Hamilton is clearly a capable backup striker and so is Akinola (but he plays in a different style). The team wasted its time going to get Boyd and misevaluated it’s own roster.

Of course the backup is not as good as a starter. Any team would be in this situation (notwithstanding we still need a a FW).

This was my fear with Jozy in the off season. But if he’s this potent when he’s on the field i’m willing to take my chances.

FootBallAZ
04-19-2019, 09:19 PM
Yall talking like jozy had a major injury what happened.

OgtheDim
04-19-2019, 09:21 PM
Yall talking like jozy had a major injury what happened.

He did a great assist on the winning goal, picked up the ball & immediately put his hand up saying he had to be subbed.

Then when sitting down he mouthed the words "hamstring".

Walked off straight to the training room.

Shway
04-19-2019, 09:22 PM
Man Mavinga is having a horrible season. Him and Ciman paired together is like the Rash Bros.

Sooo many times theyre trying to win a ball that doesnt need to won. Just contain and keep them in front. Luckily it didn't cost us today.

General Woolfe
04-19-2019, 09:23 PM
I’ve been Hamilton’s biggest critic but he certainly saved our ass tonight. If he continues to show the same fight and reading of the game he might well have a future at BMO after all. However I hope Jozy isn’t badly injured (hamstring) or were in real shit.

I don’t want to be too critical after a fighting win like that. However it needs to be said, you can put lipstick on a pig, but at the end of the day, it’s still a pig. Our defence and midfield need serious work if we’re to have any hope in challenging this season. When we attack with pace we’re as good as any side in the league, but it’s too infrequent. We have too many mediocre players. We don’t press teams enough when we don’t have possession. Our defence is a shambles (all three goals we gave up tonight were unacceptable at this level) and our midfield is all but invisible. Most worrying, there is no one in the wings that can improve things. MLSE need to loosen the purse strings and get a ‘fourth DP’, with TAM & GAM, like we did 2017. So far we’ve got Pozuelo to replace both Vazquez and Giovinco, and good as he is he can’t be expected to replace both.

Although they lost the plot at the end I can understand Minnesota’s frustration. The harsh truth is they outplayed us for long periods tonight. However, goals win games and despite flaws throughout our lineup, we’re showing a never say die attitude this season that’s admirable, and might serve us well when the chips are down

Shway
04-19-2019, 09:25 PM
He did a great assist on the winning goal, picked up the ball & immediately put his hand up saying he had to be subbed.

Then when sitting down he mouthed the words "hamstring".

Walked off straight to the training room.

Thought we all saw this lol.

Hes gone for the May, and then will be possibly be gone from June to July for the GC... If he recovers in time.

Mikmacdo
04-19-2019, 09:26 PM
He did a great assist on the winning goal, picked up the ball & immediately put his hand up saying he had to be subbed.

Then when sitting down he mouthed the words "hamstring".

Walked off straight to the training room.

I think he overstretched it on that last pass or attempt on goal. I doubt he will be out long. Let's see how good Hamilton looks with pozuelo. Also go sign a winger asap! Moor is back next week. I thought ciman was decent today I would start him with Moor and sit mavinga for a game.

Oldtimer
04-19-2019, 09:28 PM
I think it was a great sub, great timing. Having said that, I think we've consistently underrated Hamilton's ability. It's not like this is the first time he's scored for us, he just never gets any time.

It wasn't an obvious sub. Hamilton has played quite a number of games without scoring. What Vanney saw was weakness on Minnesota's left defense, by throwing Hamilton in there he exploited a vulnerability.

Minnesota's right defense was much stronger and defeated a lot of attempts throughout the game.

As much as we think Bono's distribution is poor, he looks brilliant compared to Minnesota's keeper.

Shway
04-19-2019, 09:30 PM
We need another winger for sure. Because Delgado needs to go on the bench, and be that sub when we're trying to close out a game. It will allow Osorio to be more central, because he's not a 1v1 player and it becomes an unbalanced attack with DeLeon running down the right side.

69Chevy396
04-19-2019, 09:36 PM
It wasn't an obvious sub. Hamilton has played quite a number of games without scoring. What Vanney saw was weakness on Minnesota's left defense, by throwing Hamilton in there he exploited a vulnerability.

Minnesota's right defense was much stronger and defeated a lot of attempts throughout the game.

As much as we think Bono's distribution is poor, he looks brilliant compared to Minnesota's keeper.

Minnesota’s keeper made several outstanding saves...but that team is shit. TFC should not be giving up 3 goals and should not be relying on one player to make everything happen, offensively. Without major upgrades at several key positions, they are going to be a 6th or 7th place team this year.

FootBallAZ
04-19-2019, 09:37 PM
Thought we all saw this lol.
Missed most of the game saw last 7 minutes and that stupid tackle. Leg almost looked gone.
Hes gone for the May, and then will be possibly be gone from June to July for the GC... If he recovers in time.

only saw last 7 ms and how pozo almost got his leg broke

stegosaurus
04-19-2019, 09:38 PM
Man Mavinga is having a horrible season. Him and Ciman paired together is like the Rash Bros.

Sooo many times theyre trying to win a ball that doesnt need to won. Just contain and keep them in front. Luckily it didn't cost us today.

He gave up a pen but also saved us from what probably would have been a goal.

Touka koukan, the law of equivalent exchange.

OgtheDim
04-19-2019, 09:43 PM
And Jozy just gave us something to talk about :facepalm:

https://twitter.com/plattoli/status/1119429890732974081


Lets hope that is just the injury talking

notthesun
04-19-2019, 09:44 PM
Mavinga will always lean on the side of risky. He has the pace and ability to do it though, he just needs a steady head beside him (Moor) to keep him and the backline in general in check. He's been shakier than I'd like but I don't doubt him over the long term.

Ciman is just cooked though. We need another CB for sure.

samuraizero
04-19-2019, 09:45 PM
We need another winger for sure. Because Delgado needs to go on the bench, and be that sub when we're trying to close out a game.


I certainly dont think delgado is the best player ever but he *is* a workhorse.

I dont think benching him will help much.

notthesun
04-19-2019, 09:45 PM
And Jozy just gave us something to talk about :facepalm:

https://twitter.com/plattoli/status/1119429890732974081


Lets hope that is just the injury talking

oh god

stegosaurus
04-19-2019, 09:46 PM
Something about him will get found out.

BUT

Ricketts had no first touch & couldn't pass so people just let him have the ball in a 4-4-2/3-5-2 with Seba. In a 4-2-3-1, the striker doesn't get the ball that much.

Ricketts off the bench always managed to bungle in some goals even though he was technically awful.

Hamilton can put the ball in the net, but his performance is usually better as a sub as well. I wish he’d get more of a look, but he doesn’t have the same skill set as Jozy and I’m afraid he’ll get completely frozen out if teams prepare for him.

Minnesota’s defense is terrible too, so Hamilton vs good teams isn’t necessarily inspiring. He has a good attitude and works hard when he gets the chance. He’s another example of a local player like Morgan who deserves time on the pitch. I’m all for him getting minutes, so we’ll see what happens.

samuraizero
04-19-2019, 09:46 PM
And Jozy just gave us something to talk about :facepalm:

https://twitter.com/plattoli/status/1119429890732974081


Lets hope that is just the injury talking

Oh Jozy. Never helps himself does he.

Canary10
04-19-2019, 09:46 PM
It wasn't an obvious sub. Hamilton has played quite a number of games without scoring. What Vanney saw was weakness on Minnesota's left defense, by throwing Hamilton in there he exploited a vulnerability.

Minnesota's right defense was much stronger and defeated a lot of attempts throughout the game.

As much as we think Bono's distribution is poor, he looks brilliant compared to Minnesota's keeper.

And to think Minnesota’s keeper was a reasonable Fantasy Premier League option for a number of years. Funny to see him tonight in MLS.

notthesun
04-19-2019, 09:48 PM
https://twitter.com/plattoli/status/1119431966514995200

What the hell

stegosaurus
04-19-2019, 09:50 PM
Oh Jozy. Never helps himself does he.

Maybe there’s something in this though. Jozy said his hamstring issues were probably going to be a thing of the past and that he’d had new regimens to diminish this specific injury.

Not great to put Manning on blast, but if he saw the end of these injuries and now they’re back, and it’s related to training and staff... whoops.

OgtheDim
04-19-2019, 09:53 PM
Jozy saying the behind the doors stuff out loud because he's injured again & frustrated by it all.

If the team is smart, they get it all out behind the doors again & move on.

stevep
04-19-2019, 09:54 PM
I'm Ok with the giving Bono a shot here tonight thing but enough is enough for me now. Q brings more to this team then Bono right now. Team needs that distribution, that leadership & that sense of stability. Bono can do that again - not now though. His confidence is gone.

he had some big saves tonight, possibly saves Westburg doesn't make.

MightyDM
04-19-2019, 09:57 PM
Hamilton, two chances, two goals. Pozuelo, one chance, two goals.

Our defense was shambolic.

I think it was a great sub, great timing. Having said that, I think we've consistently underrated Hamilton's ability. It's not like this is the first time he's scored for us, he just never gets any time.

I have never understood why Hamilton does not get more minutes. All he does is score.

Mikmacdo
04-19-2019, 10:02 PM
he had some big saves tonight, possibly saves Westburg doesn't make.

Bono needs to stay in his net. Also just make simple passes stop trying to be Allison.

MightyDM
04-19-2019, 10:06 PM
Based on the scuttlebutt this week, I think Bono starts


***********

It being the first night of passover, that means its a full moon tonight.

Checks on who the ref is: Ismail Elfath

Prepare for some weirdness!

spot on there Og. you were on fire tonight with the predictions "we'll need to score four.."

jloome
04-19-2019, 10:10 PM
It wasn't an obvious sub. Hamilton has played quite a number of games without scoring. .

He played two games prior to this, scored in one, played in a TFC2 match and scored in it. Then he scored two tonight. So he has four goals in five games so far.

He sat him when Jozy came back in favor of Akinola who offers something different, so he might already be convinced that he's up to stay. But we did release him last year, then re-sign him, so it's not like they'e shown a whole lot of confidence given what seems to be natural finishing ability.

stegosaurus
04-19-2019, 10:11 PM
I have never understood why Hamilton does not get more minutes. All he does is score.

Do you play him instead of Jozy? He is a backup striker with a limited skill set and we’re currently playing with one up front. The Boyd experiment failed, the Big “slept on my couch” Ben experiment failed, Ricketts is gone, and now Hamilton is going to see some time up top.

He scores goals or is invisible, and he certainly is more on the invisible side when he starts games.

He isn’t going to get any success or rave reviews starting and getting shut down. He’s a good cheap local sub and can finish. Don’t want to see him get chewed up for being exposed while playing 90’.

jloome
04-19-2019, 10:15 PM
He isn’t going to get any success or rave reviews starting and getting shut down. He’s a good cheap local sub and can finish. Don’t want to see him get chewed up for being exposed while playing 90’.

He'll never get any better if he doesn't play 90. The same was true with Osorio.

jloome
04-19-2019, 10:20 PM
Platt should possibly have kept his mouth shut if no other reporters were going to say anything

No, that would be not doing the job for which he is paid.

If someone wants something off the record, they have to stipulate as such.

ag futbol
04-19-2019, 10:21 PM
Platt should possibly have kept his mouth shut if no other reporters were going to say anything
Not to muck rake, but if he wants to stand up in front of the press and vent it’s fair game to cover. It’s not like Plat was waiting in the bushes.

stegosaurus
04-19-2019, 10:22 PM
Platt should possibly have kept his mouth shut if no other reporters were going to say anything

It’s an obvious issue if what Jozy is saying is true. There were a ton of injuries last year but they weren’t injuries to Jozy’s hamstrings after he’d supposedly turned a corner and gotten rid of his hamstring issues.

stegosaurus
04-19-2019, 10:24 PM
He'll never get any better if he doesn't play 90. The same was true with Osorio.

Sure, but if he plays 90’ he probably won’t be winning us many games against good defenses.

notthesun
04-19-2019, 10:24 PM
You can't only report on positive stuff. And Molinaro tweeted a similar summary anyways.

Full quote now:

https://twitter.com/charliejclarke/status/1119440059156115456

ag futbol
04-19-2019, 10:25 PM
He'll never get any better if he doesn't play 90. The same was true with Osorio.
I think even a consistent super sub role would be a step up. When he’s getting 30 minutes plus he’s on a good clip.

The issues is he’s often seen very limited minutes or meaningless 5-10 minute stints. Can’t see much from that other than if you’re a weightlifter or track star who somehow chose soccer as a profession despite having cinderblock feet

Areathrasher
04-19-2019, 10:26 PM
Platt should possibly have kept his mouth shut if no other reporters were going to say anything

They are all putting it out there now. With transcripts.

RealG-TFC
04-19-2019, 10:28 PM
ugh we can never just have nice things can we?

OgtheDim
04-19-2019, 10:29 PM
The interesting bit there is Jozy saying he knew he was dealing with it & tried to work through it but couldn't.

I know these are all huge alpha male types but Manning should be good enough to handle this quietly.

stevep
04-19-2019, 10:33 PM
All this criticism of Ciman. what game were you guys watching??
I was at the game. He was very good tonight. He is better than Moor.
He was the 5th best player on the pitch tonight according to the audi index 624 audi index
I knew he played well tonight but I didn't want to say anything cause everybody dislikes the guy, but when i saw tonights audi index i knew i was correct in my assessment of his play tonight.
He may have been fouled on the header goal, im not sure.

ag futbol
04-19-2019, 10:35 PM
I’m not going to pass judgement on Manning here but hopefully the club still goes the full distance to keep players happy on and off the field. That looked to be a big part of our success in 16-17.

Jozy’s frustrated but who wouldn’t be at that moment?

notthesun
04-19-2019, 10:37 PM
The interesting bit there is Jozy saying he knew he was dealing with it & tried to work through it but couldn't.

I know these are all huge alpha male types but Manning should be good enough to handle this quietly.

What surprises me is that Altidore just re-signed long-term. Presumably Manning would have been heavily involved in those negotiations.

To come out this strongly about this means it's been bothering him for a while. He says the trainer was canned when Seba left, so this has all been going on in the background as he extended his contract with us.

Being this at-odds with the team president right after re-signing for 4 years is not normal.

ag futbol
04-19-2019, 10:39 PM
All this criticism of Ciman. what game were you guys watching??
I was at the game. He was very good tonight. He is better than Moor.
He was the 5th best player on the pitch tonight according to the audi index 624 audi index
I knew he played well tonight but I didn't want to say anything cause everybody dislikes the guy, but when i saw tonights audi index i knew i was correct in my assessment of his play tonight.
He may have been fouled on the header goal, im not sure.
I was on and off the game so won’t comment on Ciman but the Audi index is no way to measure the quality of a defender. Something that has very little statistical impact could literally be several catastrophic mistakes.

stegosaurus
04-19-2019, 10:40 PM
All this criticism of Ciman. what game were you guys watching??
I was at the game. He was very good tonight. He is better than Moor.
He was the 5th best player on the pitch tonight according to the audi index 624 audi index
I knew he played well tonight but I didn't want to say anything cause everybody dislikes the guy, but when i saw tonights audi index i knew i was correct in my assessment of his play tonight.
He may have been fouled on the header goal, im not sure.

He was fine in the first half and his play out the back was fine, but his belief in Elfath to give a foul that wasn’t there was definitely a pretty stupid mistake when it also led to a goal.

What is the exchange rate on Audi index points to FIFA ratings?

stegosaurus
04-19-2019, 10:41 PM
I was on and off the game so won’t comment on Ciman but the Audi index is no way to measure the quality of a defender. Something that has very little statistical impact could literally be several catastrophic mistakes.

Excuse me, but Audi Player Index is a world renowned sporting statistics tool!

MightyDM
04-19-2019, 10:42 PM
All this criticism of Ciman. what game were you guys watching??
I was at the game. He was very good tonight. He is better than Moor.
He was the 5th best player on the pitch tonight according to the audi index 624 audi index
I knew he played well tonight but I didn't want to say anything cause everybody dislikes the guy, but when i saw tonights audi index i knew i was correct in my assessment of his play tonight.
He may have been fouled on the header goal, im not sure.

i was at the game, and our area were very negative on Ciman. So it’s not just TV folks. Can pick a pass. Not great at defending though.

Mikmacdo
04-19-2019, 10:47 PM
Ciman was good tonight, stop making him the scapegoat. When moor fucks up no one says anything. I'd like to see ciman start with Moor next game and auro will be starting next week. Let's see how that back four looks.

azorean
04-19-2019, 10:51 PM
I’m not going to pass judgement on Manning here but hopefully the club still goes the full distance to keep players happy on and off the field. That looked to be a big part of our success in 16-17.

Jozy’s frustrated but who wouldn’t be at that moment?

Yeah, I understand he is frustrated and all, but this is not a good look for him Imo. You should try and not go public with these things, slam your boss like that, especially with the theatrics of slamming the table, etc. He wears his heart on his sleeve, I understand that, and has been a great player for us, but like I said I really don't appreciate players doing this type of thing. He should have tried to resolve this , get answers some other way, or at the very least raise this issue in another way / time / place.

stegosaurus
04-19-2019, 10:52 PM
What surprises me is that Altidore just re-signed long-term. Presumably Manning would have been heavily involved in those negotiations.

To come out this strongly about this means it's been bothering him for a while. He says the trainer was canned when Seba left, so this has all been going on in the background as he extended his contract with us.

Being this at-odds with the team president right after re-signing for 4 years is not normal.

The “locker room dissonance” that had been going around was not just Seba wanting a contract renewal for bux and VdW, streetwear enthusiast from Outofcontract FC, being VdW.

If Jozy is speaking out on the record about this it’s pretty obvious that it’s not just “he’s mad he got injured.”

Teams have cliques and players have affinities to certain staff over others. If you fire the wrong people you can run afoul of certain players. No one is “above the club,” but it happens all the time. Jozy talked about injuries being a thing of the past and specifically spoke to this point in the past — now he’s injured and, worse yet, he seems to feel that it could have been avoided.

Pep fired an incredibly famous German shaman and it didn’t go over well — back to injecting horse placenta into Bayern players at a mountainside retreat after the coach is gone (not that it helped future TFC superstar winger Arjen Robben get healthy).

ag futbol
04-19-2019, 10:54 PM
Yeah, I understand he is frustrated and all, but this is not a good look for him Imo. You should try and not go public with these things, slam your boss like that, especially with the theatrics of slamming the table, etc. He wears his heart on his sleeve, I understand that, and has been a great player for us, but like I said I really don't appreciate players doing this type of thing. He should have tried to resolve this , get answers some other way, or at the very least raise this issue in another way / time / place.
Agreed, putting your senior leadership on blast is never a winning look.

stevep
04-19-2019, 10:59 PM
Ciman was good tonight, stop making him the scapegoat. When moor fucks up no one says anything. I'd like to see ciman start with Moor next game and auro will be starting next week. Let's see how that back four looks.

Definitely start ciman on Saturday.
You can't sit mavinga.
Moor made those two bad passes in the midfield last week. Cost us two points.
Ciman saved a goal off the goal line in Philadelphia getting us 3 points.

stegosaurus
04-19-2019, 11:04 PM
Yeah, I understand he is frustrated and all, but this is not a good look for him Imo. You should try and not go public with these things, slam your boss like that, especially with the theatrics of slamming the table, etc. He wears his heart on his sleeve, I understand that, and has been a great player for us, but like I said I really don't appreciate players doing this type of thing. He should have tried to resolve this , get answers some other way, or at the very least raise this issue in another way / time / place.


Agreed, putting your senior leadership on blast is never a winning look.

Unless they messed up big time. Last season was abysmal and this season they haven’t really seemed as deft in their dealings. We got Pozo after the “transfersoap” and the signings that were supposed to be here weeks ago never showed up.

Jozy has been savaged in the US media and among USMNT supporters for what they see as his role in the T&T debacle. He said his hamstring issues were over, probably specifically because of this guy, and now here we are again.

FO has to be accountable in some way for their mistakes, and this is one. They’re also silent on everything and there’s no real media to break stories. Glad a player spoke out instead of hearing nothing or a story spun by media conglomerates that own the team.

Auzzy
04-19-2019, 11:04 PM
So the Chicago lineup - except Ciman in for Moor. Going to need to score 4.

We all need to buy you a beer, right you were!

Hamilton seemed to have some major problems with attitude & workrate in previous years; I think that was a big reason he didn't play much (and was dropped & re-signed). For the most part, he seems to have turned that around. Teams will eventually figure them out, but we'll have some chances if Akinola & Hamilton have to play together. Too bad that Boyd doesn't seem to be working out; he wasn't even on the bench tonight.

Man sucks about Altidore.

I agree Bono needs to sit, but I think we're being too hopeful about Westberg. I thought he was great at distribution, and he came out really well once or twice when he had to retrieve a cross in a crowd. Also great job on that breakaway last game. However I didn't think Westberg was very quick, or a great shot stopper. If Westberg had played tonight vs. Minnesota, I bet he doesn't commit that gaffe that Bono did on the long ball. However I think he doesn't stop one or two shots that Bono did stop tonight.

I think we really need a winger AND another CB. We get too bogged down in the centre of the park for long stretches, until the other team eventually gets a turnover & breakaway. We need some quality on the wing to stretch the field, provide another reliable attack route, and free up some space for Pozuelo to operate in the middle. Let's get it done Manning & Curtis!!!

nonc
04-19-2019, 11:05 PM
Bono is a fucking disaster, Mavinga not much better.


It's true though Ciman has been the best performing CB.

Auzzy
04-19-2019, 11:12 PM
Yeah, I understand he is frustrated and all, but this is not a good look for him Imo. You should try and not go public with these things, slam your boss like that, especially with the theatrics of slamming the table, etc. He wears his heart on his sleeve, I understand that, and has been a great player for us, but like I said I really don't appreciate players doing this type of thing. He should have tried to resolve this , get answers some other way, or at the very least raise this issue in another way / time / place.

"You should try and not go public" -- what do you know how long Jozy has been trying to not go public? "He should have tried to resolve it" -- do you know how long he's tried to resolve it? "Or at the very least raise this issue in another way / time /place" -- do you know how often he's tried to raise it in other ways / times / places?

It seems that Manning has been a bit absent, yet he's making decisions the players have to live with. These transfersoaps have been going on way too long, and Manning / Curtis have been flying around alot. Who knows how busy Manning has also been as president of the Argonauts, what with various negotiations happening recently, and CFL players about to vote on a strike.

stegosaurus
04-19-2019, 11:15 PM
We all need to buy you a beer, right you were!

Hamilton seemed to have some major problems with attitude & workrate in previous years; I think that was a big reason he didn't play much (and was dropped & re-signed). For the most part, he seems to have turned that around. Teams will eventually figure them out, but we'll have some chances if Akinola & Hamilton have to play together. Too bad that Boyd doesn't seem to be working out; he wasn't even on the bench tonight.

Man sucks about Altidore.

I agree Bono needs to sit, but I think we're being too hopeful about Westberg. I thought he was great at distribution, and he came out really well once or twice when he had to retrieve a cross in a crowd. Also great job on that breakaway last game. However I didn't think Westberg was very quick, or a great shot stopper. If Westberg had played tonight vs. Minnesota, I bet he doesn't commit that gaffe that Bono did on the long ball. However I think he doesn't stop one or two shots that Bono did stop tonight.

I think we really need a winger AND another CB. We get too bogged down in the centre of the park for long stretches, until the other team eventually gets a turnover & breakaway. We need some quality on the wing to stretch the field, provide another reliable attack route, and free up some space for Pozuelo to operate in the middle. Let's get it done Manning & Curtis!!!

Westberg isn’t very good either. I’ve seen him play at Auxerre and, well, he’s not great. We ended up with him through the Vanney France pipeline and he’s domestic. He’s not going to bail us out when we need it. Bono made a few good saves but also gave up a lot of goals, with at least one blatantly egregious error.

A lot of our “young” players are part of the same clique, and either they haven’t got chances, haven’t shown up, or got banished.

What do the following names have in common? Hamilton, Chapman, Bono, Telfer, Raheem, Hasler, etc.

portu
04-19-2019, 11:18 PM
Honestly, you could convince me we need a TAM keeper more than a TAM CB. I think the main issue is that keepers can be really hit or miss. Julio Cesar was good for us but not lights out by any means, for example. And guys like Mannone or Tyton who you might expect to be good MLS keepers have left something to be desired this season.

ag futbol
04-19-2019, 11:28 PM
I think the TAM CB is necessary. You need a leader back there and someone who is rock solid.

There are too many “adventures” happening right now with both Ciman and Mavinga. At the end of the day, a whole game worth of work for a CB can be undone by one bad mistake. A good CB is consistent above all else.thats not to say we never get scored on but unforced errors are kept to a minimum

stegosaurus
04-19-2019, 11:30 PM
Honestly, you could convince me we need a TAM keeper more than a TAM CB. I think the main issue is that keepers can be really hit or miss. Julio Cesar was good for us but not lights out by any means, for example. And guys like Mannone or Tyton who you might expect to be good MLS keepers have left something to be desired this season.

The problem is that GK is the stupidest position to buy for. City with all the means in the world bought Ederson, and he’s a dumbass at times and can let in a boatload of goals due to defensive mistakes. Is he good? Yeah, but today we showed that even if your keeping and defense are weak you can win just by scoring more goals.

We won a cup with Bono, a former keeper saved a goal that would have won us another cup, and we had a Cesar but we still sucked.

stegosaurus
04-19-2019, 11:44 PM
I think the TAM CB is necessary. You need a leader back there and someone who is rock solid.

There are too many “adventures” happening right now with both Ciman and Mavinga. At the end of the day, a whole game worth of work for a CB can be undone by one bad mistake. A good CB is consistent above all else.thats not to say we never get scored on but unforced errors are kept to a minimum

TFC wants to play possession football so they need people who play out the back. Ciman, historically, is good on the ball, can take corners and freekicks, and is relatively tall (plus he’s bald). Mavinga is the best last ditch tackler in MLS, and is also good on the ball.

Our fullbacks play really high, and both Auro and Morrow (and maybe Laryea) aren’t great defensively. Couple that with the fact that Delgado is playing very high and Pozo spends too much time in our lives end...

Moor is done, but it isn’t easy to find good central halfs who are also leaders and fit within a certain budget.

stevep
04-20-2019, 12:08 AM
TFC wants to play possession football so they need people who play out the back. Ciman, historically, is good on the ball, can take corners and freekicks, and is relatively tall (plus he’s bald). Mavinga is the best last ditch tackler in MLS, and is also good on the ball.

Our fullbacks play really high, and both Auro and Morrow (and maybe Laryea) aren’t great defensively. Couple that with the fact that Delgado is playing very high and Pozo spends too much time in our lives end...

Moor is done, but it isn’t easy to find good central halfs who are also leaders and fit within a certain budget.

I think I read somewhere that Ciman had a 97% pass accuracy tonight.
Not counting unsuccessful long passes.

samuraizero
04-20-2019, 12:16 AM
I think I read somewhere that Ciman had a 97% pass accuracy tonight.
Not counting unsuccessful long passes.

Long passes are still passes though....

MightyDM
04-20-2019, 06:25 AM
Not sold on Ciman. On his passing, absolutely. And he has moments. But in general he has a not played up to the level we have a right to expect given his pedigree - with the exception of one game. There is a reason he is not playing when Moor is available. And he cost us the second goal.
Bono is not commanding his box. He should have flattened Quintero on that play and been screaming at Layrea to let him get the ball - or played two steps off and caught the bounce. It is a significant area of weakness for him and more important than his distribution as it leads directly to goals. He cost the first goal.
And there is something wrong with Mavinga. His play is worse - he needs the incredible recovery tackles often because of his own lack of positioning. He cost the third goal, obviously.
But with all three, there isn't an obvious replacement at the moment. When Moor comes back, who sits? Zavaleta is a sub only at this point. And Westberg commands his box, has great distribution - but is not nearly the shot stopper that Bono is, on the evidence of one game.
The bad thing is, teams know that all they have to do is attack and we will concede. Three individual terrible errors in one game - a game that could and should have been 4 or 5 to 1

OgtheDim
04-20-2019, 06:32 AM
In the light of day:

Altidore cares about winning for this team,

thinks what he needs to stay healthy to do that was thrown off for bad reasons,

doesn't feel he had the chance to get that fixed or get his side of the arguement heard,

gets injured

& went public with his concerns


The difference between this & "we need more men" is the pointed at one person nature of the discussion


*****

Now, if I'm Manning, I'm getting out in front of this by stating

"Jozy, he's frustrated. I can understand what he's saying. We're always working on & looking for better ways to ensure all our players are able to succeed. That's why we have invested in the facilities we have & the staff to make sure this team can put out its best every week. We are going to talk about this. And we are going to figure something out. Now, I'm not going to come back out here & tell you what that is going to be. But, I can understand his frustration in the moment. "


A year from now there is going to be an interview with Manning where he says "Well, I learned some things from that time...."

ensco
04-20-2019, 06:55 AM
A year from now there is going to be an interview with Manning where he says "Well, I learned some things from that time...."


Like, maybe: don't blow a player off to the point where he has to go to the press if he wants to talk to you?


———————————


[Has Bill explained the reasoning?]
You can ask him. He’s not here, he’s not around, so you can’t find him. You go to his office, he’s not there, he’s traveling, he’s this and that. I wish I knew, but I don’t know.

ensco
04-20-2019, 06:59 AM
I only saw the highlights but the game was a lot more interesting than I thought it would be. The worry about injuries was more valid it seems.

Pozolove is a thing. Did Seba ever have four games in a row like this? It's his first four games!

I got a lot to say about Altidore later today when I get a few minutes

How was the new pitch up close? It looked OK on the highlights.

MightyDM
04-20-2019, 07:03 AM
In the light of day:

Altidore cares about winning for this team,

thinks what he needs to stay healthy to do that was thrown off for bad reasons,

doesn't feel he had the chance to get that fixed or get his side of the arguement heard,

gets injured

& went public with his concerns


The difference between this & "we need more men" is the pointed at one person nature of the discussion


*****

Now, if I'm Manning, I'm getting out in front of this by stating

"Jozy, he's frustrated. I can understand what he's saying. We're always working on & looking for better ways to ensure all our players are able to succeed. That's why we have invested in the facilities we have & the staff to make sure this team can put out its best every week. We are going to talk about this. And we are going to figure something out. Now, I'm not going to come back out here & tell you what that is going to be. But, I can understand his frustration in the moment. "

Well crafted. Spot on.

OgtheDim
04-20-2019, 07:13 AM
Some good reporting here from Molinaro


https://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/tfc-forward-altidore-slams-club-president-trainer-dispute/


Bradley response & fact Manning was at the game

Bushmancan
04-20-2019, 07:15 AM
I think he overstretched it on that last pass or attempt on goal. I doubt he will be out long. Let's see how good Hamilton looks with pozuelo. Also go sign a winger asap! Moor is back next week. I thought ciman was decent today I would start him with Moor and sit mavinga for a game.

Great win!

I know it is football but the league needs to avoid Northern teams playing in the evening in the spring, i get the fall when games matter you may not have a choice and high fan interest. But this is spring and the season just starting, there are enough southern teams now to let them play on a Friday in the evening. It was cool/cold, wet and shit conditions for the game. No respect for the fans or the players.

If Jozy is playing in a game 5-6 degrees warmer during the day, injuries may not happen. It is just stupid by the team, TSN and the league. These are the small things that will stop the growth of a pretty decent product, because it really can be an exciting game.

Just my thoughts. COYRs

sidvan
04-20-2019, 07:35 AM
Great win!

I know it is football but the league needs to avoid Northern teams playing in the evening in the spring, i get the fall when games matter you may not have a choice and high fan interest. But this is spring and the season just starting, there are enough southern teams now to let them play on a Friday in the evening. It was cool/cold, wet and shit conditions for the game. No respect for the fans or the players.

If Jozy is playing in a game 5-6 degrees warmer during the day, injuries may not happen. It is just stupid by the team, TSN and the league. These are the small things that will stop the growth of a pretty decent product, because it really can be an exciting game.

Just my thoughts. COYRs

Tin foil hat here - Are we forced to have so many early games to try and save the pitch for Argos - i hope not.

OgtheDim
04-20-2019, 07:40 AM
Our early season schedule was designed to help us get through another deep CCL run.

Eastend
04-20-2019, 07:42 AM
Great win!

I know it is football but the league needs to avoid Northern teams playing in the evening in the spring, i get the fall when games matter you may not have a choice and high fan interest. But this is spring and the season just starting, there are enough southern teams now to let them play on a Friday in the evening. It was cool/cold, wet and shit conditions for the game. No respect for the fans or the players.

If Jozy is playing in a game 5-6 degrees warmer during the day, injuries may not happen. It is just stupid by the team, TSN and the league. These are the small things that will stop the growth of a pretty decent product, because it really can be an exciting game.

Just my thoughts. COYRs


100%

69Chevy396
04-20-2019, 08:15 AM
I think we need to be patient with Bono. It wasn’t that long ago when TFC screwed up re Frei. Bono may have better credentials than Frei did, at the time, and he is still young. There may be a keeper coaching issue that needs addressing.

Osorio played well. His forward movement with the ball is better when Pozo plays behind him. I thought the reverse would be true, but this compels him to make quicker decisions (we know how easily he screws up when he second guesses himself).

Delgado, Morrow, and the two new guys, were below avg. They have their moments, both good and bad.

Bradley is regressing, or, just getting a bit slower as he ages. No his fault that he has to cover for a horrible back line.

Mavinga is not the same player I previously called the best tackler in the league. Not sure what it is, he is seems to be in a funk.

Ciman should stay on the bench.

Pozo played great.

Altidore’s hamstring problem should have sidelined him, he made it worse by playing.

The pitch looked nice, could a sharp turn, or dug in cleat, get stuck in those fibers?

Bushmancan
04-20-2019, 08:20 AM
Our early season schedule was designed to help us get through another deep CCL run.

100% agree on the CCL, but that doesn’t mean we need to play on a cold, wet Friday night. Maybe a cold, wet Saturday... lol. Those few degrees can make a big difference... be well

Voodooman
04-20-2019, 08:24 AM
Alright, guess I'll be the one to ask the hard hitting questions in here....

What's up with Auro's hair?

stegosaurus
04-20-2019, 09:35 AM
Alright, guess I'll be the one to ask the hard hitting questions in here....

What's up with Auro's hair?

He’s a Brazilian footballer.

Mikmacdo
04-20-2019, 10:06 AM
I think we need to be patient with Bono. It wasn’t that long ago when TFC screwed up re Frei. Bono may have better credentials than Frei did, at the time, and he is still young. There may be a keeper coaching issue that needs addressing.

Osorio played well. His forward movement with the ball is better when Pozo plays behind him. I thought the reverse would be true, but this compels him to make quicker decisions (we know how easily he screws up when he second guesses himself).

Delgado, Morrow, and the two new guys, were below avg. They have their moments, both good and bad.

Bradley is regressing, or, just getting a bit slower as he ages. No his fault that he has to cover for a horrible back line.

Mavinga is not the same player I previously called the best tackler in the league. Not sure what it is, he is seems to be in a funk.

Ciman should stay on the bench.

Pozo played great.

Altidore’s hamstring problem should have sidelined him, he made it worse by playing.

The pitch looked nice, could a sharp turn, or dug in cleat, get stuck in those fibers?

Bono has sucked for over a year, he's had plenty of opportunities to turn it around. Give westburg a run of games and let Bono play in the Canadian championships and some mid week games.

Ciman played well. Sure he got beat on that corner but the striker pushed off on him. At least he didn't give away a dumb penalty.

How can Jozy blame the training staff when he admitted his hamstring was giving him problems but played anyway? Oh well now we can see what Hamilton is made of.

Bradley isn't much of an impact player anymore and you can't have that as a DP. Hopefully he returns on a tam deal otherwise let him go.

I'm a little worried about DeLeon on the right wing, I think he's missing auro. I wonder if DeLeon could play a defensive midfielder role beside Bradley in a 4-2-3-1. I don't think he has the speed to be a winger.

MightyDM
04-20-2019, 10:14 AM
Let Bradley go? He’s the heart of this club. On and off the field. Just look at his comments about Jozy.

MightyDM
04-20-2019, 10:16 AM
I read Jozys outburst as him having been saying “Greg, I need this guy.” “ Out of my hands Jozy, speak to Bill”. “ Bill? Bill. Anyone home?” and getting fed up with the lack of response.

djking2
04-20-2019, 10:21 AM
Pozuelo's humility in his post game interview is cool. "in 2 weeks no-one will remember the goals but they will the win".

Jozy's rant makes me think the trainer issue came up in his contract talks and he was given a promise it would be handled. Manning has been busy as we know and now he has been reminded.

In two weeks no-one will remember the rant but they will remember the 3 points

ensco
04-20-2019, 10:32 AM
Bono got shelled here for that first goal by Chicago, and I thought that was unfair, but the first goal last night was ridiculous.

He seemingly cannot read balls in the air at all anymore. It wasn’t a weakness until Chivas lobbed that FK over him, and ever since, it’s like he needs glasses.

Thought he should sit at the start of the year. Did not think that, once you had committed to him, he should sit for a goal that resulted from a class play. But now... Agree that now he must sit.

We are incredibly fortunate to be on 13 points. I hope Vanney and Manning see that we have been below average at the back.

ManUtd4ever
04-20-2019, 11:00 AM
Yeah, I understand he is frustrated and all, but this is not a good look for him Imo. You should try and not go public with these things, slam your boss like that, especially with the theatrics of slamming the table, etc. He wears his heart on his sleeve, I understand that, and has been a great player for us, but like I said I really don't appreciate players doing this type of thing. He should have tried to resolve this , get answers some other way, or at the very least raise this issue in another way / time / place.

I agree with you, but Jozy is what he is for better or for worse. My guess is that he already made his feelings known to Manning in private and now that Manning's decision came back to bite Jozy in the ass, he lost it.

Jozy is a warrior for us and he genuinely loves the club. No one is more disappointed than him that he will be on the sidelines again. I just hope that he can make it back within weeks as opposed to months.

T.O TILL I DIE
04-20-2019, 11:02 AM
Quick question was there a walk out in section 114 or something second half seemed like that whole section left?

David_Oliveira
04-20-2019, 11:07 AM
Quick question was there a walk out in section 114 or something second half seemed like that whole section left?

No. Because of the sparse numbers yesterday, they made their way east and joined into the empty spots in 112 and 113.

It was fantastic and definitely made us all sing in one voice. It's a sign of things to come with G.A. coming in.

ManUtd4ever
04-20-2019, 11:11 AM
Considering the weather and the fact that the Leafs and Raptors were both playing last night, I thought the turnout was actually pretty good.

T.O TILL I DIE
04-20-2019, 11:14 AM
No. Because of the sparse numbers yesterday, they made their way east and joined into the empty spots in 112 and 113.

It was fantastic and definitely made us all sing in one voice. It's a sign of things to come with G.A. coming in.

Wow thats great to hear, glad the tensions being broken between both groups. Maybe it can be a message to MLSE about a safe standing, proper placement of supporter groups, but will save that convo for another day lol. Would love to see some footage of it if anyone got.

DinamoTFC
04-20-2019, 11:22 AM
Jozy hasn't had a hamstring related injury since 2016 once the medical staff finally figured out what was causing it.

Then his favourite trainer gets canned because of Seba and suddenly a hamstring injury comes back.

You don't come out in the media fuming unless it's a last resort. Bradley essentially confirmed this with his comments.

Jozy is our go to Dp striker. If we lose him for an extended period this is clearly on Manning and medical staff. You need to take care of your investments especially if they know what works best for them. Why the hell would they make him play if he knew something wasn't right all week?