Match Day 24 - TFC @ San Jose Saturday August 19th 10pm - Who in despite of view

[OgtheDim]

In faith, I do not love thee with mine eyes,
For they in thee a thousand errors note;
But 'tis my heart that loves what they despise,
Who in despite of view is pleased to dote;


So last time we were in San Jose...it was a rough night. https://matchcenter.soundersfc.com/matchcenter/2016-07-16-san-jose-earthquakes-vs-toronto-fc/recap


May this game look a lot more like the rest of that season after that match.



***********


Have at It People

[Voodooman]

3 Points is really the only acceptable results. Got to go there and go big!

[pfk]

San Jose have to worst record this season and only have one win at home. Anything less than 3 points will be disappointing.

TFC are back in 10th place with DC United's latest form. TFC are equal on points on Orlando with a game in hand.

[Blindside16]

San Jose have been brutal this year. This needs to be 3 points. We could use the upswing in momentum seeing as Derby day is only 8 days away.

[Areathrasher]

Lucas Janson traveled with the team to SJ.

[Red CB Toronto]

Lucas Janson traveled with the team to SJ.

Yes he did, met him at BMO on Wednesday night. I am thinking we may Jordan Hamilton on Saturday. He did not play in either Wednesday's match vs The Caps or for TFC2 last night. Ayo was the same.

[Areathrasher]

Yes he did, met him at BMO on Wednesday night. I am thinking we may Jordan Hamilton on Saturday. He did not play in either Wednesday's match vs The Caps or for TFC2 last night. Ayo was the same.

Hamilton came off injured for TFC II on Sunday night so may be out with a knock.

[Section_105]

anyone know how to get american streams for this ? Travelling at an inopportune time

[ensco]

Feel the excitement

[Areathrasher]

anyone know how to get american streams for this ? Travelling at an inopportune time
Google Reddit Soccer Streams just before kick off. There will be a few links in there.

[69Chevy396]

San Jose have to worst record this season and only have one win at home. Anything less than 3 points will be disappointing.

TFC are back in 10th place with DC United's latest form. TFC are equal on points on Orlando with a game in hand.
Anything less than a win tonight, will put an end to any post season aspirations. They would have to win every remaining game just to be close.

[OgtheDim]

SJE is a fiesty team - Petrescu is the ref.

They are going to try to kick the hell out of Seba.

Look for makeup yellows in the second half but this game could be ugly.

[Defoe]

Anything less than a win tonight, will put an end to any post season aspirations. They would have to win every remaining game just to be close.

Montreal up 1-0. Philadelphia up 2-0.

[OgtheDim]

Oh....my

https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/1030984075157360640

Expect a loss people

[Defoe]

What the hell is this garbage?

[Richard]

Someone explain. Wtf.

[Canary10]

Is this the night we officially threw in the towel?

[shwade]

This might be ugly.

[leedsandTFC]

oh god.

[OgtheDim]

Its a squad rotation significantly rating SJE as not all that good & trusting in the subs if necessary to either shut it down or put in goals.

The attack is just pure spec.

The midfield is servicable against an SJE team that doesn't move the ball all that quickly.

My issue is the backline is gaffe prone & will get caught on offside traps. Sure, we might score 1 but they are going to score 2.

[shwade]

When does CCL start...?

[Canary10]

In fairness we started teams like this last year and won. Maybe not so bad at the back as Og said, but who knows.

[Defoe]

When does CCL start...?

I guess when everything goes your way in one season, i.e: Winning the treble; everything is bound to go wrong the followingseason to even it self out.

Altidore's temper; Mavinga's tempter, Vazquez's injuries, our poor reliable back up CB's are all being exposed this year. When the highest payroll team in MLS doesn't make the playoffs; everything that possibly could go wrong; had to have gone wrong.

Still excited to see Janson though! Let's see if this team has anything left. True colours will come out tonight

[Canary10]

Looks like Montreal pulled out a win. This is basically it tonight I’d say.

[Defoe]

Of course Daniel Lovitz scores for Montreal in the 90th + minute

[ensco]

It wasn’t that long ago that we lost a game where we were up two men in San Jose. These west coast games are never that easy.

[Canary10]

Of course Daniel Lovitz scores for Montreal in the 90th + minute

Yeah of all people.

[iamthelight_]

Not a strong 11, but it's San Jose so let's hope it works out. Would have prefer to see Giovinco start instead of Chapman because if only because I think Jason should get familiar with the big guns from the get go. IMO It was a big problem for Aketxe that because of injuries he mostly got to play with bench players who are not up there in quality.

[OgtheDim]

Trying to think if a guy who showed up midseason on a Wednesday ever started for us 3 days later on the other side of the continent. Is anybody going to have any sense of timing and space up there? Sure,at least SJE will have no preconceived ideas how to defend that attack but our most potent weapon in this game might be Osorio to Hamilton playing off the last shoulder.

[barticusz]

Wow.. I'm shocked at this lineup considering we have to win the game.

[69Chevy396]

This lineup is ridiculous. With wins by both Montreal and Philly, a loss to San Jose virtually ends the season for TFC.
Interested in watching Osorio tonight, playing without Seba and Vasquez, we will see what he is made out of, in the most important game of the season.

[benito]

Surprising lineup tonight. Happy to see Hernandez start rather than Zav.

[gracos]

early opinions of Jansson??

[notthesun]

early opinions of Jansson??

Better than Aketxe; I'll settle for that to start.

[notthesun]

This back line is a disaster

[Defoe]

The back line is a disaster and we have no true Play maker in midfield. This team is a disaster without Mavinga and Vazquez.

[Defoe]

San Jose out playing us to death. If we sneak one out tonight; it's not based on being better

[benito]

Tfc is lucky the SJ is inept at finishing.

[SKB]

I used to think that we had a lot of depth, but have changed my opinion. Some of the players like Chapman, Delgado, etc look good when they are surrounded by players like Altidore, Giovinco, etc. When they are not surrounded by top players they look below average.

[tfcfans]

Geez that was painful —- I guess playing without Mavinga, Altidore, Giovinco and Vasquez makes a difference — I mean who could have guessed such a thing?! These lineups are so painful to watch as you know “what could be” if we could (or would) actually be able to play our best 11 on a regular basis.....

[NK Toronto]

We just got outplayed by a wide margin by the worst team in the MLS in a must win game, all the while Giovinco, Moor and VDW are on the bench. I don't understand what Vanney is resting guys for?

[OgtheDim]

Every one of their moves goes through Hagglund. Sure, they should have had 2. But, their midfield is soft goo. The only reason we havn't got a goal is the forwards & midfield are not familiar with where they all are.

BTW, we out played them for the first 20 minutes or so. Then they started running right at Hagglund. He's been in constant panic mode.

[Amir.]

Either play Jansen lower to touch more balls or bring in Giovinco..would pull out Morgan and Hamilton right away for van der Wiel and Giovinco

[NK Toronto]

I used to think that we had a lot of depth, but have changed my opinion. Some of the players like Chapman, Delgado, etc look good when they are surrounded by players like Altidore, Giovinco, etc. When they are not surrounded by top players they look below average.

Couldn't agree more. I would add Morgan, Hamilton, and Hernandez to that list.

[TFC07]

Garbage half! Giovinco and Moor or VDW better be subbed in beginning of 2nd half. We got bunch of pylons on the field right now.

[SKB]

Bradley has a been a big part of our team, however, he is starting to look like he has got a lot of mileage on him. I love him to death, and he was instrumental in us winning the league last year, but he is getting beat a lot out there and that is another reason our defence is not the same. He used to bail us out a lot.

[Defoe]

I would not be surprised if this is the last game Hamilton and Hernandez ever play in the MLS... If we get healthy; and go on a run; I don't see a scenario they are back or return next year. They don't belong in MLS

[TMAN80]

This line up is shocking considering the magnitude of this game. Good to know we will have a rested Giovinco, Moor(who should be really really rested by now!?), and VDW for the playoffs we won't be a part of.

[TMAN80]

Either play Jansen lower to touch more balls or bring in Giovinco..would pull out Morgan and Hamilton right away for van der Wiel and Giovinco

I think so too, exactly this!

[SKB]

Lucas Janson the new player shows some promise, I would like to see him in combination Altidore, Giovinco, Vazquez, Osorio. He would replace Delgado in the first 11.

[NK Toronto]

No changes by Vanney to start the 2nd half. I can't believe it.

[matteo30]

Gio not starting in a must win game... I have been a fan of this team from the start but this is awful...

[Auzzy]

Trying to think if a guy who showed up midseason on a Wednesday ever started for us 3 days later on the other side of the continent. Is anybody going to have any sense of timing and space up there? Sure,at least SJE will have no preconceived ideas how to defend that attack but our most potent weapon in this game might be Osorio to Hamilton playing off the last shoulder.

I'm trying to remember, I thought there was a TFC player signed just before an away game, getting changed in a cab on the way to the stadium etc. Can't remember who or if it was on the west coast. (Dan Gargan was signed just before a game in Columbus, and even had his medical done at the Crew stadium, but was on the bench & didn't play in that game.)

[notthesun]

Man I'm sorry, I feel bad saying this because he's our guy, but the league has passed Morgan by. He just can't cut it anymore.

[OgtheDim]

Can we just shoot the director who is missing the entry point of every play after a stoppage.

[TMAN80]

No changes by Vanney to start the 2nd half. I can't believe it.
I guess everything going according to plan for Vanney...

[SKB]

It’s a miracle that we are not down a goal or two

[NK Toronto]

I guess everything going according to plan for Vanney...

Yes, if the plan is to have the team well rested for the start of the CCL in February.

[TMAN80]

No changes by Vanney to start the 2nd half. I can't believe it.


Yes, if the plan is to have the team well rested for the start of the CCL in February.

Yeah, that or the meaningless games we will have after we drop this one to the worst team in the league

[SKB]

Man Morgan just looks lost out there..

[Defoe]

Has a Bradley free kick ever worked?

[Red CB Toronto]

Seba and GVW coming in.

[Defoe]

Good riddance Hamilton and Morgan!

[SirBobSaget]

Has a Bradley free kick ever worked?

I remember he missed the targets and bounced one into the net to clinch playoffs in 2016.

[MightyDM]

Man I'm sorry, I feel bad saying this because he's our guy, but the league has passed Morgan by. He just can't cut it anymore.

He was excellent In The Champions League against better opposition.

[tfcfans]

Huzzah - better players make us better - what a shock....

[ag futbol]

Money well spent. Vanney looks like a genius on this one

[wopchop]

Thank God.

[witenite]

Goal,of,the year

[SirBobSaget]

Wow, according to plan I guess.

[benito]

Quick goal after making the subs. Really nice passes.

[stevep]

Man Morgan just looks lost out there..

Caldwell said he played well tonight, typical good performance by Morgan.:facepalm:
I laughed when he said that.

[oldtraffordPEI]

van der wiel is underrated

[Auzzy]

Has a Bradley free kick ever worked?

I asked that myself recently, but there was a goal off a Bradley FK vs. Vancouver this week, and I think there was another one recently.

TFC only lucky that San Jose didn't score a couple already. Great goal by TFC; if this works out it will have been much more lucky than smart by Vanney. I can only guess that the trainers were detecting too much strain & mileage on a few TFC players and decided they needed a break to avoid even more injuries; we've had more than enough of those this season.

[boozilla]

Gooool. Just too late to turn this bad hangover season around.

[ag futbol]

Caldwell said he played well tonight, typical good performance by Morgan.:facepalm:
I laughed when he said that.
That’s a pretty outrageous comment by Caldwell. He’s literally where every attack goes to die.

[benito]

Hagglund is a liability every time the ball is played to him. He looks so uncomfortable.

[flatpicker]

Caldwell needs to be given a maximum allowance of words per broadcast.
He speaks way to much.

[tfcfans]

Season over.....

[ag futbol]

Arggg many stupid errors there. Awful Hagglund pass.

[OgtheDim]

Bono has regressed.

[Brooker]

I dont care about build up, Bono, that was embarrassing.

[notthesun]

Garbage pass from Hagglund, he was so far out wide that the space was there for Wondo, and Bono with another mistake...

[NK Toronto]

Bono giveth and Bono taketh away.

[TFC07]

Get rid of Haggland after this season. Also, Vanney messed up subbing in Moor so early and forcing to change formation which killed the momentum for TFC

[ag futbol]

Bono has regressed.
I think it’s time to give Irwin a shot at starting again. I get bono has been the guy (and likely still will be) but three really soft goals in as many games, time for a shuffle

[iamthelight_]

That's the thing about Bono this season.. He has been incredibly inconsistent.

Just when you praise him for a fantastic save, he shits the bed on the next play.

[matteo30]

Seriously Bono again and awful back pass how many awful mistakes has Bono made..... f*ck sake

[wopchop]

What the hell was that.

[benito]

Bad pass by hagglund and butter fingers by bono.

[Defoe]

10 minutes to save our season

[sn0re]

Even if its a tie, we don't make the playoffs?

[Auzzy]

Man fucking bullshit on that goal by Wondo.

Can somebody please explain: when we know our defense is weak, why are they often pulled forward incredibly far, with really bad shape, and minimal defensive midfield cover?

[notthesun]

He was excellent In The Champions League against better opposition.

He was, but that was 4 or 5 games? It's painful watching him these days.

[NK Toronto]

There was some concern earlier this year that we would lose Bono to a European club. I think those fears can be put to rest.

[TFC07]

Even if its a tie, we don't make the playoffs?

TFC will have to win every game to make it to the playoffs at this point. I have no confidence there will be able to do that.

[NK Toronto]

When was the last time our season was over in August?

[iamthelight_]

Even if we win, we don't make the playoffs.

Get fucking real guys. We are struggling to beat FUCKING SAN JOSE! They are the garbage of the garbage of MLS. We have ATL, Portland away, DC away, LAFC, LAG left in the schedule. We need over 2 PPG and WE CAN'T BEAT SAN JOSE COMFORTABLY.

This is done. Joke of a season from us. At least we won the Canadian title.

[Defoe]

Pretty disgusting by Vanney to rest Giovinco in a must win game for the first 60 minutes. I hope he's fired.

[FootBallAZ]

Even if its a tie, we don't make the playoffs?

not really we play
Mtl x 2
Ne
Rbny

All teams ahead and swing games especially both Montreal games

[TFC07]

Pretty disgusting by Vanney to rest Giovinco in a must win game for the first 60 minutes. I hope he's fired.

Also, Bez should be fired for failing to sign a CB (He had a year to sign one)

[boozilla]

Last minute Gio freekick..miss

[benito]

Hagglund will be defending agaisnt oduro... Tortoise and the hare.

[notthesun]

Pretty much a disaster to not take all three points. It was a gift to get out of the first half alive, and to give up the win on yet another mistake by Bono is so poor.

[Defoe]

This result magnifies everything wrong with this years team.

Terrible defending, Vazquez injured, Mavinga suspended, Altidore suspended, stupid decisions from Vanney. We don't deserve playoffs. Pathetic.

[OgtheDim]

Defence without Moor or Mavinga is bad.

Bono regressed.

Chapman not progressing.


Look good with the big guns in but we are where we deserve to be.

[tfcfans]

Sadly we can’t even say we deserved better - frankly SJ had more of the game than we did.....next week is the false hope if we win, and dagger if we lose game against Mtl.....

[gracos]

What went wrong this year, everyone says that CONCACAF champions league was worth it, but we have regressed as a team, i dont know what to say but just disappointed with the team this year, we arent bad enough to get a good player in the draft but we wont be making playoffs, i feel disheartened

[Defoe]

Hagglund will be defending agaisnt oduro... Tortoise and the hare.

Hagglund will be defending against Oduro; in USL...

[OgtheDim]

When was the last time our season was over in August?

2016 game in San Jose


The post game meltdown in here was epic.

[NK Toronto]

I hope there is a reporter who asks Vanney about his rationale for not starting Giovinco, Moor and VDW tonight. I would be interested to hear his answer.

[Auzzy]

Hmmm really glad I watched that game from 4am to 6am in Europe... :facepalm:

[TFC07]

This game on Vanney for poor selection then taking out Janson when we had momentum and needed to score one more goal. Gutless performance by our "depth" players. It's going to be busy off-season to replace bench players who have been very poor when they were needed the most.

[NK Toronto]

2016 game in San Jose

How so? We went to the MLS Cup in 2016.

[Areathrasher]

This game on Vanney for poor selection then taking out Janson when we had momentum and needed to score one more goal. Gutless performance by our "depth" players. It's going to be busy off-season to replace bench players who have been very poor when they were needed the most.

Janson clearly got took off due to a knock

[DinamoTFC]

Bono, zavaleta, hagglund and Delgado and vanney utter garbage this season. The amount of mistakes they've made this season I can't comprehend.

Against the last place team we start with a weak line up. Once we take the lead instead of using Ricketts to kill off the game vanney decides to sit back with another defender and hope for a 1 0 win. God I am so frustrated and angry this season.

Utter garbage.

[benito]

Poor effort and tfc were lucky to come away with a point. SJ had many wasted opportunities and should have been up a few goals.

[OgtheDim]

How so? We went to the MLS Cup in 2016.

As far as a lot of people in here were concerned, it was over.

[TFC07]

Janson clearly got took off due to a knock

But putting Moor instead of attacking player hurt TFC. After that sub, it went downhill for them.

Having Giovinco with support of Chapman killed us.

[Omar]

What a poor match that was in the grand scheme of things. As well as we did start, the lack of quality in our starting lineup showed, and what should have been a winnable match for us almost became a match that we lost.

San Jose had too many chances. I'm not surprised that they came away with a point. Even though we started well, San Jose eventually took control due to Hamilton struggling to make an impact and Morgan being our weakest player. Morrow, himself, also struggled on the right side and looked much better on the left. Hamilton looks short of confidence, and it's showing with his more reserved performance and lack of confidence in taking on the defenders. Morgan looks unfit every time he enters the pitch, and today was no different. Chapman looked alright but was barely involved as we seemed to prefer Osorio and the left side. He might need to be more assertive and demand for the ball some more if he is to become more effective.

In the second half, when we were playing with a back 3, I don't know why Hagglund was attempting to play out of the back every single time. He was never away of any potential danger that his teammates would have been in, and he kept on playing short yet dangerous passes to Morrow instead of just passing it back. I know that Mavinga basically plays this role, but Hagglund doesn't have the quality on the ball that Mavinga has. In the end, it cost us (along with Bono's clanger), and it typifies our season.

I told a few other TFC fans last Wednesday that our season's pretty much done with the Canadian Championship. We should aim for the playoffs, but we shouldn't expect it this season. Let's just enjoy this bumpy ride and hope that it ends on a high note.

[gracos]

do the rest of the games matter, we have given up to many pts to advance into the playoffs

[69Chevy396]

Defence without Moor or Mavinga is bad.

Bono regressed.

Chapman not progressing.


Look good with the big guns in but we are where we deserve to be.

Mavinga is the best defender in MLS. We stink without him.

[Omar]

But putting Moor instead of attacking player hurt TFC. After that sub, it went downhill for them.

Having Giovinco with support of Chapman killed us.
Our balance was pretty good with a 5-4-1. We looked comfortable in possession, and our midfield/attack was more comfortable pressing higher up and forcing San Jose to clear the ball. That one stupid mistake by Hagglund and then Bono really cost us the game; otherwise, we were looking quite comfortable whilst San Jose were starting to lose confidence.

[matteo30]

Bad game Bad Defence Playing that way against the last place team Giovinco coming in way too late, And Hagglund with that terrible pass back, and then the Howler by Bono for like the what 5 time this year to cost us points how many 8 10 points?. Its just terrible... We will always have that two season run but everything that could go wrong has this season:facepalm: Injuries Bad goals Guys coming back to get injured again. This has been more painful. Even with Ryan Nelson Preki etc you go into the game expecting to lose here you go into a game thinking what possible way will they drop points. Why are you defending a 1-0 lead on the road against the last place team. Injuries happen yes but to play that fragile against the last place team is a disgrace.

[DinamoTFC]

Hagglund will be defending against Oduro; in USL...

Yup. Hagglund cant keep up with the new crop of players this season. He looks shocking with the ball at his feet. Can't make a single decent pass.

[iamthelight_]

As far as a lot of people in here were concerned, it was over.

Uh? How can you even compare it. We were pretty much always in a playoff position in 2016 and finished comfortably 3rd in the east. We are in 9th place and need about 20 points in 10 games left. This is more like 2014.

[NK Toronto]

I can think of 3 really bad goals given up by Bono in the last month and a half, against NYRB, NYC, and tonight. All of these goals were low shots right at BONO. Two of them went under him because he didn't get down quick enough, and tonight he give up a bad rebound. It seems he really has trouble handling low shots directed at him. I wonder if the club is going to look at what other keepers are available.

[NK Toronto]

Yup. Hagglund cant keep up with the new crop of players this season. He looks shocking with the ball at his feet. Can't make a single decent pass.

I see your username is Dinamo. Is that the Dinamo of Luka Modric and Mario Mandzukic?

[stevep]

can someone please explain the logic in starting morrow over VDW??
at best he is 1/2 a player (not according to Caldwell, but to anybody with half a soccer brain)
then moving Morrow over to the right makes him half a player so we essentially lose one man.
this makes no logical sense what so ever unless it is being done on purpose.

I could swear this is being done on purpose. it is almost as if the league knows we are the best team in the league by a country mile and they want a new team to be the MLS cup winner, so we are deliberately sabotaging games with poor lineup selection, unproveable injuries to our star players, questionealbe red cards given to our star players to keep them out of games.
call me crazy but this is really weird shit this year. I first started my suspicions after the Atlanta game and the penalty kick awarded to Martinez. how would it look if the 9th place team beats the league leaders 3-0. It would destroy all legitimacy of the MLS Cup winner. this could have happened because when we score first the floodgates open.

we saw how good we are on Wednesday, the teams in this cheesey league are not in the same league as us.

[benito]

How points have been dropped by this team in the last 15 mins of games this season? If they could have finished half of these games, they would comfortably be in the playoffs.

[boozilla]

Blaming the poor start on the CONCACAF toll and injuries makes sense. But the whole season?
Is it too much to ask how the '17 Championship hangover and subsequent exposure of our lack of depth , could have been handled better?

[matteo30]

The league has been against our guys we could repeat if we sneak in. We never see opposition get Reds there has been so many VAR calls go against us that have costed us 10 points at least. It is hard not to disagree with a lot of what your saying. It seems as though the Bias against our guys exists and the MLS is doing everything to make sure we don't get in. That being said I want our guys to fight a bit harder and win at least 4 more games to salvage the season in my eyes. My heart agrees with what your saying is accurate but my mind doesn't want to believe it I posted something earlier on VAR and Refs and I didn't get a single reply when I went back to review the post, I thought wow I sound really stupid and wouldn't reply to this. But the just of what i was saying is basically this is a playoff team who are being held back from being one. I wish someone in our fan base, makes a point to critique the refs because we are not just talking this year we are talking multiple years, the trickle down of this shitty Refs is to ruin any chance at a TFC dynasty they don't want a Canadian team winning multiple MLS cups, they have made it clear to the tune of I want to say at least 10 points dropped to our total. Somebody needs to discuss this on the form or we will never be allowed to be close to an MLS cup again.

[PizzaEatingYeti]

we saw how good we are on Wednesday, the teams in this cheesey league are not in the same league as us.

:facepalm:

I'm without words when reading something like this...
How many TFC fans are living in some kind of dreamland, with such heavily pink tinted glasses, that practically it's impossible to see the reality?

[DinamoTFC]

I see your username is Dinamo. Is that the Dinamo of Luka Modric and Mario Mandzukic?

Yess

[TFC1154ever]

It’s as simple as, we have a good 13, maybe 14 players with Jansen. After that, the talent completely falls off. I’ve said it about 15 times this season and last. WE NEEDED ANOTHER CB. What the fuck was Ben thinking this season. We play 3 in the back already. I’ve never ever rated Zavaleta, and Hagglund regressed this season. That leaves you with Mavinga, Moor, and GVW if you move him to CB, which is not why we bought him. How the fuck do you expect to go threw 40 something games and expect excellence in 3 competitions with 2.5 CB’s?

And I must say, Vanney has costed us close to 8-10 points this season with horrible lineup selections, or terribly timed subs. Some of this deadwood needs to go in the off season, and if they don’t sign a CB, Bez will really have lost my faith.

The only positive note, is that Jansen kid looks good.

[InDa_110]

This result magnifies everything wrong with this years team.

Terrible defending, Vazquez injured, Mavinga suspended, Altidore suspended, stupid decisions from Vanney. We don't deserve playoffs. Pathetic.

Don't forget Delgado sucks balls and can't score on an open net when it really counts. (Tonight, CCL final, CCL home leg of final)

[stevep]

:facepalm:

I'm without words when reading something like this...
How many TFC fans are living in some kind of dreamland, with such heavily pink tinted glasses, that practically it's impossible to see the reality?

you did not explain why VDW did not start? could it be to make it a more competitive game?? how in the world do you start Morgan over VDW in a must win game when Montreal and Phil already won. and add to that why is gio not starting?
i first noticed that they try to make games competitive last season when we played Minnesota at BMO.
Minnesota was really shit last year and if we field all our starters we win 5-0 but for some unknown reason 1/2 of our starters did not play

and do you not think this line up beats up everybody?

jozy, gio, vasquez ozorio, bradley, morrow, auro, vdw, moor, mavinga

if you don't this lineup kicks everyones ass there is nothing more i can say.

also, has this lineup ever played a game together this year??

[stevep]

you did not explain why VDW did not start? could it be to make it a more competitive game?? how in the world do you start Morgan over VDW in a must win game when Montreal and Phil already won. and add to that why is gio not starting?
i first noticed that they try to make games competitive last season when we played Minnesota at BMO.
Minnesota was really shit last year and if we field all our starters we win 5-0 but for some unknown reason 1/2 of our starters did not play

and do you not think this line up beats up everybody?

jozy, gio, vasquez ozorio, bradley, morrow, auro, vdw, moor, mavinga

if you don't this lineup kicks everyones ass there is nothing more i can say.

also, has this lineup ever played a game together this year??

I also have another theory. they did this shit on purpose because they wanted to assess the talent on the bench.

[shwade]

I also have another theory. they did this shit on purpose because they wanted to assess the talent on the bench.

Anyway...oh well. It was a tough season. Like someone said earlier...last season everything went our way and this season nothing is.

I think its also fair to say that the refs are beyond shit and the league has it out for TFC...maybe cuz Bradley won't join his dad and make marketing wet dreams come true for MLS. Maybe Canadian teams really aren't worth their dime. But the amount of times we've been screwed by incompetent officiating is way too many. Other teams hack and mow down our players and nothing happens but the second one of our guys retaliates it's fucking over for them. We probably have the least amount of VAR reviews in the league too.

[Red CB Toronto]

Lucas became the 203rd player to have played at least one game for the Reds in club history last night.

[69Chevy396]

Vanney is not the problem.
Seba: Becoming a solid playmaker as he ages, could be our Higuain for years. But, he needs quality scorers around him with unbridled pace. Altidore fills this role, but is inconsistent and injury prone.
Vasquez: He is done.
Auro: Not sure, he has shown little finish, like Delgado.
Bradley: Great skill and determination, but the leagues top players are toying with him now. He is too slow.
Osorio: Great garbage goal guy now, every team needs one. This years 2017 Morrow.
Mavinga: best defender in MLS, but injury prone
VDV: Seems entirely disinterested most games, you get the sense he could be much better, if he tried harder.
Morrow: Will he ever regain his 2017 scoring touch? He has been a bust in 2018.
Delgado: useless when compared to his better peers across the league.
Moor: He is done.
Bono: Still good.
Chapman: USL
Morgan: USL
Zavaletta: USL
Ricketts: scary near goal, getting there with the ball is a real challenge.
Haggland: USL
Hernandez: assistant towel man
New guy: who knows...

This, my friends, is no longer a champion caliber team. We had a great run. Two finals. Not many teams can manage that. If Atlanta wins this year, will they even come close in 2019 without their top players?

I am not upset, this was predictable when we started the season playing games with our TFC2 players.

[Fort York Redcoat]

I'm not looking back through this negativity for my answer but isn't it likely this admittedly and agreed upon strange lineup has to do with how many players went off the pitch on Wednesday post match, pre celebration?

Also, I'm glad we don't play San Jose again this year. Wondo is 4 away from the all time record.

[nonc]

There was no need to sit VDV and Giovinco who played 67 minutes mid-week, I mean this is what Juve players are made for.

Marky Delgado is a very frustrating player to watch and currently Alex Bono our beer league USMNT goalie.

[KingLedley]

Is this the slow end before 28th October ......
Great attacking can win you games, but cannot stop you losing games
Good defence alone cannot win you games, but a strong defence can stop you losing games and dropping points.


If we look at our road to the playoffs two seasons ago, Bez and co said we ned to improve our defence, and it worked. But the sheer athleticism of the expansion teams in just two years has shown that slow defenders will eventually leak shot possibilities at the keepers, which means higher percentages of goals being scored.



After our 1st half of the season, (Injuries, CCL hangover, internal issues) and this up-down 2nd half (silly suspensions, other injuries, more issues), and this draw with San Jose, the worst team in the league, I don't expect us to qualify for the playoffs. We are running out of games to make up the shortfall of points.


For the 2019 season, we need at least one DP level CBs, and at least one having the speed of Mavinga. I have still faith in Bono, but not in Zavaleta and Hagguland. Drew is one to keep, but he is really slow now.


But if we cannot defend well, we will not have a shot an an MLS Cup in 2019.
Come On You Reds TTID

[paul-collins]

Outside everyone else’s comments, I have some observations.

Morrow did not look good on his natural side in the end. I wonder how fit he is.

Why didnt Moor play centrally swhen he came on?

That grass was horrid. Everyone was sliding and falling (both teams). Reminded me of our early March pitch.

[notthesun]

https://twitter.com/plattoli/status/1031230399509188610

Giovinco didn't start because of a sore groin.