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OgtheDim
05-29-2018, 06:32 AM
I am awaiting
perpetually and forever

a renaissance of wonder


We seem to have been doing this since Chivas.


https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/42869/i-am-waiting-56d22183d718a


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Have at It People

OgtheDim
05-29-2018, 06:41 AM
I am waiting for Bradley to not play CB
for Alitdore to come back
for Mavinga to play a whole game & not have an injury sitting over him

I am waiting for Justin Morrow to flow down the left
I am waiting for a win that feels like that game against Montreal
for vim for vigour & heart to plough through the sea towards a stellar win against a good team

I am waiting for Seba to score one of the ridiculous shots he tries
I am waiting for a PK to come around and not be wondering how this one is going to be stopped now


I am waiting for Osorio not to take two touches again & for Delgado to get his Mojo back
for Ricketts to have a good first touch

I am waiting for Moor to smile again and
wave his hands around to keep up the pace & be aware

I am waiting for Aketxe to show his promise
for Auro to get through 90 without missing an assignement
I am waiting for Hamilton to get that shot off from the top of the box

I am waiting for Hernandez to play a full game & for Chapman to boss the midfield
for Bono to make that save that changes the game state & for Hagglund to make that tackle to start a quick counter

I am awaiting
perpetually and forever

a renaissance of wonder

ensco
05-29-2018, 07:05 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4sPkS8b62Q

Areathrasher
05-29-2018, 07:37 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeVG9WzUQAAmIHt.jpg

OgtheDim
05-29-2018, 09:54 AM
FWIW

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/1001471882753753090


&


https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/1001472374447878144

&

https://twitter.com/plattoli/status/1001473856261963777

OgtheDim
05-29-2018, 09:55 AM
& some good news


https://twitter.com/joshuakloke/status/1001475662815907840

DinamoTFC
05-29-2018, 11:30 AM
Columbus have a few players out which is some good luck for us.

Higuain (red card)
Will Trapp and Zach Steffen (called up to USMNT)
Martinez (might be suspended by disciplinary committee for last game)

Canary10
05-29-2018, 12:01 PM
Steffen might actually be their biggest loss given our luck around goal lately. He's been very good.

Fort York Redcoat
05-29-2018, 12:09 PM
http://www.ediblewildfood.com/images/white-trillium-pictures/trillium-flower.jpg


For the last time.

For the all the floral majesty.

Let's do this boys. I know we're down in the series.

We got peeps going down to Mex...I mean Ohio for this trophy.

Guada...I mean Columbus won this trophy the first time so they want it bad but let's do our best to disappoint them. For all those years. For Bill Archer.

ag futbol
05-29-2018, 01:26 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeVG9WzUQAAmIHt.jpg
Sometimes itís just too easy, lol

paul-collins
05-29-2018, 01:54 PM
Hey ensco, glad you picked the dance version! Love Tracey Thorn and EBTG, I got introduced to her via her guesting on Paris Match...

Voodooman
05-29-2018, 02:14 PM
Very glad to hear that Steffen wouldn't be playing. Man has been a beast for them.

Good time to capitalize!

michaeltfc91
05-29-2018, 02:17 PM
Anyone making the trip? I haven't heard any talk of a road trip for this, I'm surprised

ensco
05-29-2018, 05:12 PM
Hey ensco, glad you picked the dance version! Love Tracey Thorn and EBTG, I got introduced to her via her guesting on Paris Match...

Tracey Thorn has the voice of a goddess.

Seemed like a good pair to Og's poem.

ensco
05-29-2018, 05:14 PM
Would I be a bad person if I suggested that Aketxe's hip problem may not be real, and that they have just sent him home while they negotiate terminating his deal?

Probably, I guess.

portu
05-29-2018, 05:50 PM
Would I be a bad person if I suggested that Aketxe's hip problem may not be real, and that they have just sent him home while they negotiate terminating his deal?

Probably, I guess.
I definitely agree with the initial premise but I think you could find a market for Aketxe in Spain for sure. Spanish clubs were supposedly all over him before we got to him.

Oldtimer
05-29-2018, 10:27 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeVG9WzUQAAmIHt.jpg

This has been making it's way around the 'net but it's faked. Convo never happened and the supposed Crew fan doesn't exist.

notthesun
05-29-2018, 11:29 PM
Would I be a bad person if I suggested that Aketxe's hip problem may not be real, and that they have just sent him home while they negotiate terminating his deal?

Probably, I guess.

Would be quite the aggressive move by Bez, I suppose if he's convinced it's not going to work out, better to cut the cord early...

Likely just another damn injury though.

Voodooman
05-30-2018, 07:03 AM
This has been making it's way around the 'net but it's faked. Convo never happened and the supposed Crew fan doesn't exist.

Uhm....it's actually real. Just checked the instagram and it's still there.

Areathrasher
05-30-2018, 07:53 AM
This has been making it's way around the 'net but it's faked. Convo never happened and the supposed Crew fan doesn't exist.

It's real. Ive seen it on his instagram.

ChrisFizik
05-30-2018, 12:46 PM
For the last time.

For the all the floral majesty.
...

Our last hope?

No, There is another....

Cinci...... :rolleyes:

Oldtimer
05-30-2018, 02:55 PM
Uhm....it's actually real. Just checked the instagram and it's still there.


It's real. Ive seen it on his instagram.

Sorry, thought it was Twitter.

OgtheDim
05-31-2018, 01:35 PM
https://twitter.com/joshuakloke/status/1002250334671011840

Davenport
05-31-2018, 01:38 PM
Hey ensco, glad you picked the dance version! Love Tracey Thorn and EBTG, I got introduced to her via her guesting on Paris Match...

Her latest solo album is solid.

Defoe
05-31-2018, 05:53 PM
When we signed Vazquez I was honestly quite worried about his health status.

Of course we are in a flux right now; doesn't need to be stated. I hope we have enough healthy talent to make a run before it's to late. MLS is tough man. We're probably better then Orlando and New England but both those teams have improved a lot as well.

Voodooman
06-01-2018, 04:36 PM
Looks like Higuian had his red card rescinded so he will be playing.

That sucks. He always does well against us

portu
06-01-2018, 05:15 PM
When we signed Vazquez I was honestly quite worried about his health status.

Of course we are in a flux right now; doesn't need to be stated. I hope we have enough healthy talent to make a run before it's to late. MLS is tough man. We're probably better then Orlando and New England but both those teams have improved a lot as well.
Everyone is talking about Seba not scoring rn, but Vazquez has been almost anonymous in the league this season

notthesun
06-01-2018, 08:07 PM
Higuain's red card, which he earned due to VAR, has been rescinded. So he's available again for this game.

Literally reviewing video during games to send players off then reviewing the same video after games to overrule it now. Christ.

Slick
06-01-2018, 10:17 PM
Higuain's red card, which he earned due to VAR, has been rescinded. So he's available again for this game.

Literally reviewing video during games to send players off then reviewing the same video after games to overrule it now. Christ.

Are we ever going to see TFC get an advantage from VAR this year?

Derko
06-01-2018, 10:21 PM
Are we ever going to see TFC get an advantage from VAR this year?

Nope :facepalm:

catz4ever
06-02-2018, 11:58 AM
Where can I watch the game out

noimpactinmtl
06-02-2018, 01:36 PM
Shoeless Joe’s at Liberty Village as usual.

OgtheDim
06-02-2018, 05:43 PM
Hernandez starts


https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/1003041205205258240

Well at least the youths are getting quite the run out.

notthesun
06-02-2018, 06:01 PM
Akinola instead of Hamilton on the bench. Another injury or Vanney sending a message?

barticusz
06-02-2018, 06:02 PM
Hernandez starts


https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/1003041205205258240

Well at least the youths are getting quite the run out.

Oh no... I'm trying to be positive but this lineup looks like another 2-0 early deficit.

Lab Rat
06-02-2018, 06:02 PM
Fraser, Telfer, and Chapman in mid but no Delgado or Hasler? Hope to see them in the second half.

barticusz
06-02-2018, 06:03 PM
Akinola instead of Hamilton on the bench. Another injury or Vanney sending a message?

That's the right message in my opinion too. Hamilton has had plenty of opportunities however he has been squandering them in my view. Hopefully this gets him going.

reggie
06-02-2018, 06:04 PM
Akinola instead of Hamilton on the bench. Another injury or Vanney sending a message?
maybe hamilton has a cavity and he pulled his hammy:facepalm:

reggie
06-02-2018, 06:06 PM
vanney is not playing this like must win.poor lineup..let hope..

Defoe
06-02-2018, 06:10 PM
It's clear that Mavinga/Moor are huge loss's and we lack quality depth in the back line. Bradley playing a waker CB and Hagglund on the bench. That's telling. Delgado on the bench as well

nonc
06-02-2018, 06:28 PM
Vanney is just killing us in league play this year with his scrub starting XI and lack of preparation.

OgtheDim
06-02-2018, 06:47 PM
Guys who can't go 60 should not start.

That's why certain people on the bench.

OgtheDim
06-02-2018, 06:53 PM
Anybody got a decent stream?

All my usuals seem to be cruddy tonight.

notthesun
06-02-2018, 07:00 PM
ALERT: We scored a penalty

Yohan
06-02-2018, 07:00 PM
vamos vazquez. 1-0 on pk

James17930
06-02-2018, 07:00 PM
Nice.

benito
06-02-2018, 07:01 PM
Well placed pk by Vazquez! Great ball by Giovinco to lead the play.

James17930
06-02-2018, 07:02 PM
Anybody got a decent stream?

All my usuals seem to be cruddy tonight.

http://nowwatchtvlive.org/tsn4-live-stream-watch-tsn4-channel-online-free/

OgtheDim
06-02-2018, 07:04 PM
:hurray:

Thanks James

notthesun
06-02-2018, 07:05 PM
Osorio injured... we're so boned

James17930
06-02-2018, 07:07 PM
Osorio injured... we're so boned

Maybe we should just park the bus now and try to steal this game.

MightyDM
06-02-2018, 07:12 PM
vanney is not playing this like must win.poor lineup..let hope..

of the players available, who would you have picked ahead of the starters - and not marginal choices, difference makers?

OgtheDim
06-02-2018, 07:14 PM
The only good news in all that is two Philly midfielders sent off for dissent reds.

MightyDM
06-02-2018, 07:20 PM
Vanney is just killing us in league play this year with his scrub starting XI and lack of preparation.

Who would you have him play who isn’t hurt? If we didn’t miss penalties this season, we’d have about six more points and not a single person would be complaining.

benito
06-02-2018, 07:21 PM
Nice pass by Vasquez on the Rickkets goal!

James17930
06-02-2018, 07:23 PM
Pretty much every goal he scores he ends up on his butt.

But I'm not complaining.

nonc
06-02-2018, 07:34 PM
of the players available, who would you have picked ahead of the starters - and not marginal choices, difference makers?

Hagglund over Hernandez.
Hasler over Fraser or Chapman.

nonc
06-02-2018, 07:35 PM
Ah so that's what it feels like to score and not concede in the 1st half.

nonc
06-02-2018, 07:36 PM
Vazquez took the pen thank god

MightyDM
06-02-2018, 07:43 PM
We are much more solid at the back with Hernandez playing

MightyDM
06-02-2018, 07:45 PM
Hagglund over Hernandez.
Hasler over Fraser or Chapman.

I like both of those players. But they are both recovering from injuries, and neither would be an enormous difference maker. There isn’t much choice right now, and it looks like Vanney wanted to pack the midfield..

OgtheDim
06-02-2018, 07:47 PM
Nice to see this sort of play finally

https://twitter.com/JogaBonito_USA/status/1003072673428262918

MightyDM
06-02-2018, 07:48 PM
It is unbelievable that they boo Bradley, given what he has given to their national team. They deserve Trump. @holes

FootBallAZ
06-02-2018, 07:52 PM
Nice to see this sort of play finally
https://twitter.com/JogaBonito_USA/status/1003072673428262918


sublime pass by vdw

MightyDM
06-02-2018, 07:56 PM
That has to be a red. It was a rugby tackle.

Tdot_LFC
06-02-2018, 07:57 PM
What a goal.

benito
06-02-2018, 07:57 PM
Giovinco will the perfect free Kick!

MightyDM
06-02-2018, 07:58 PM
And for me it doesn’t matter about the last man back rule, you rugby tackle someone in a serious attacking position, straight red.

Lennon
06-02-2018, 08:02 PM
It feels like Giovinco has a better strike rate from FK's than PK's g:D

MightyDM
06-02-2018, 08:05 PM
It feels like Giovinco has a better strike rate from FK's than PK's g:D


He does

MightyDM
06-02-2018, 08:06 PM
Hagglund!

MightyDM
06-02-2018, 08:06 PM
F@ck

MightyDM
06-02-2018, 08:09 PM
Attack! Attack!

benito
06-02-2018, 08:10 PM
I think hagglund would have challenged better on that goal.

MightyDM
06-02-2018, 08:13 PM
I think hagglund would have challenged better on that goal.


No question. Bradley is determined, disciplined and positionally savvy. But not a force in the air in the box.

OgtheDim
06-02-2018, 08:15 PM
Columbus is a pretty good team. Well coached.

They are basically targeting where Vasquez is.

benito
06-02-2018, 08:17 PM
Tfc need to get possession of the ball and slow down the game

MightyDM
06-02-2018, 08:18 PM
Haven’t heard much from Gio and Fraser in a while. Ricketts too.

MightyDM
06-02-2018, 08:19 PM
Columbus is a pretty good team. Well coached.

They are basically targeting where Vasquez is.


Very interesting insight. More!

MightyDM
06-02-2018, 08:20 PM
Columbus is a pretty good team. Well coached.

They are basically targeting where Vasquez is.

Hasler for Vasquez?

Tdot_LFC
06-02-2018, 08:21 PM
Oh boy.

benito
06-02-2018, 08:21 PM
Bradley needs to clear the ball on that goal.

PizzaEatingYeti
06-02-2018, 08:22 PM
What the fuck are we doing?
In the last 20 minutes we completely fell apart!

Yohan
06-02-2018, 08:22 PM
Bradley at fault for 2 goals now

MightyDM
06-02-2018, 08:22 PM
Oh funk. Bradley victimized on both goals. But we need to get on the front foot. Have been on the back foot for 15 mins. And we can’t afford Gio Vas1uez both on right now.

Tdot_LFC
06-02-2018, 08:22 PM
Call me foolish, I really felt this one looked like a comfortable 3 pts at one point in this game.

PizzaEatingYeti
06-02-2018, 08:23 PM
Call me foolish, I really felt this one looked like a comfortable 3 pts at one point in this game.

Not with this year's TFC mate!

portu
06-02-2018, 08:27 PM
We're defending the last part of this game like Vintage TFC. No way we survive this.

Tdot_LFC
06-02-2018, 08:28 PM
Holy crap. WTF?

portu
06-02-2018, 08:28 PM
we're defending the last part of this game like vintage tfc. No way we survive this.
as i fucking say that

MightyDM
06-02-2018, 08:28 PM
Call me foolish, I really felt this one looked like a comfortable 3 pts at one point in this game.

I thought it was gonna be 5.-0. Oh my g@d Michael Bradley

wopchop
06-02-2018, 08:28 PM
What the fuck!

Yohan
06-02-2018, 08:29 PM
Well, Bradley gave away 2 pts

Tdot_LFC
06-02-2018, 08:30 PM
I thought it was gonna be 5.-0. Oh my g@d Michael Bradley

Find myself now praying to save a point.

nonc
06-02-2018, 08:30 PM
Never seen Bradley melt down like this before

benito
06-02-2018, 08:30 PM
This was a bad second half.

portu
06-02-2018, 08:31 PM
Done done done with this coaching staff. Show accountability now or get out because you just blew a 3 nil lead. Beginning to think Vanney and Co. have run their course at the club. Maybe time for a change.

notthesun
06-02-2018, 08:32 PM
Well, Bradley gave away 2 pts

With a huge assist from Vanney. The evidence has been clear that Bradley at CB doesn't work, he leaves him there again and then he's directly responsible for 3 goals.

This is Creavalle at RB all over again. Bradley can't play CB. Put him in the fucking midfield again.

James17930
06-02-2018, 08:32 PM
Think I'll go murmur incoherently for a while and then smash my head against the wall.

nonc
06-02-2018, 08:32 PM
But why is Vanney playing Bradley between 2 CBs? shouldn't the whole point of bringing Hagglund on be to get Bradley up to holding mid??

InDa_110
06-02-2018, 08:33 PM
Well, Bradley gave away 2 pts

The series if events before each goal have delgado at fault every time.

SoccMan2
06-02-2018, 08:33 PM
This season is over people if this game does not prove it, then nothing will for some people just disgraceful stuff this is TFC of 2007 to 2014 crap!!

MightyDM
06-02-2018, 08:33 PM
Our best playErs need to be better. Gio has been invisible since 3-0. Vasquez has been walking. And Bradley at fault on all three goals. Vanney too. Needed another sub after the second goal. Failed.

MightyDM
06-02-2018, 08:35 PM
Also have to be critical of Vanney. Berhalter adjusted. He didn’t.

portu
06-02-2018, 08:36 PM
Just saying Seattle fired Sigi after even more years of consistent success and they made the playoffs. Sometimes change is necessary.

notthesun
06-02-2018, 08:36 PM
Still haven't won a game in which Bradley played CB. Stop the madness Greg.

wopchop
06-02-2018, 08:37 PM
With a huge assist from Vanney. The evidence has been clear that Bradley at CB doesn't work, he leaves him there again and then he's directly responsible for 3 goals.

This is Creavalle at RB all over again. Bradley can't play CB. Put him in the fucking midfield again.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results

OgtheDim
06-02-2018, 08:37 PM
Bradley had a shocker

MightyDM
06-02-2018, 08:37 PM
I think this game sums up the season. Arrogance.

DOMIN8R
06-02-2018, 08:37 PM
First road tie of the season.

DOMIN8R
06-02-2018, 08:38 PM
feels like a loss, frankly.

gracos
06-02-2018, 08:38 PM
Where are the lovers of the Champions league; because at this rate we are neither making the playoffs or Champions league

MightyDM
06-02-2018, 08:38 PM
Just saying Seattle fired Sigi after even more years of consistent success and they made the playoffs. Sometimes change is necessary.


Nowhere near that. But there is an arrogance to Greg and Bez. They need to recover their humility.

PizzaEatingYeti
06-02-2018, 08:38 PM
A superb result for FTC!
We succeeded to steal a very precious point from the team which on the 2nd place in East.

As poor as we are, we need to be thankful for each and every little point.

MightyDM
06-02-2018, 08:39 PM
feels like a loss, frankly.

It is. Essentially.

noimpactinmtl
06-02-2018, 08:39 PM
But why is Vanney playing Bradley between 2 CBs? shouldn't the whole point of bringing Hagglund on be to get Bradley up to holding mid??

Bradley tends to drop deep even at holding mid. It's part of the Busquets role. Now, imagine if we have Mavinga-Hagglund as center halves instead of an overcooked Hernandez.

OgtheDim
06-02-2018, 08:39 PM
Also have to be critical of Vanney. Berhalter adjusted. He didn’t.

The mistake was Ricketts for Osorio. Should have been Delgado but it might be Delgado couldn't go 60 minutes. Delgado for Chapman made sense, as did Hagglund into the defence. BUT....we had nobody left to switch up.

Once Berhalter adjusted, we were stuck with a front 3 who can't really play much defence.

benito
06-02-2018, 08:40 PM
This felt like 2009 TFC. After the Crew subbed their players, the game completely changed. This one hurts.

sn0re
06-02-2018, 08:40 PM
The mistake was Ricketts for Osorio. Should have been Delgado but it might be Delgado couldn't go 60 minutes. Delgado for Chapman made sense, as did Hagglund into the defence. BUT....we had nobody left to switch up.

Once Berhalter adjusted, we were stuck with a front 3 who can't really play much defence.

Should have been Hasler. Though I don't know because he just came back from an injury

stevep
06-02-2018, 08:41 PM
when you think it can't get any worse

Michael Bradley:facepalm:

PizzaEatingYeti
06-02-2018, 08:42 PM
With a huge assist from Vanney. The evidence has been clear that Bradley at CB doesn't work, he leaves him there again and then he's directly responsible for 3 goals.

This is Creavalle at RB all over again. Bradley can't play CB. Put him in the fucking midfield again.

This!
The whole forum was screaming for more than one game already that we dont wanna see Bradley in the back line, he is needed in the middle.
But what we know?
Maybe Vanney knows better.

gracos
06-02-2018, 08:45 PM
I think we need to take a special look in taking a look at all values and contributions of players, by now we should have a clearer idea of who needs to take a cut or leave or who stays

MightyDM
06-02-2018, 08:50 PM
The commentary by Terry Dunfield is that their legs were gone. If that’s the case, where was the third sub and 2hy leave walking Vasquez on post 3-1? Despite Bradley’s horror show, those decisions are on Vanney.

reggie
06-02-2018, 08:50 PM
these dropped points are all on vanney

gracos
06-02-2018, 08:52 PM
If those lost points are on Vanney is it time we think about looking for a new coach

stevep
06-02-2018, 08:54 PM
The mistake was Ricketts for Osorio. Should have been Delgado but it might be Delgado couldn't go 60 minutes. Delgado for Chapman made sense, as did Hagglund into the defence. BUT....we had nobody left to switch up.

Once Berhalter adjusted, we were stuck with a front 3 who can't really play much defence.

did you not see that delgado was responsible for the third goal for sure
and did not help at all on the second goal

i have noticed this in other games delgado costs us goals when he comes in the game late
is there a stat of plus minus goals when marky comes in games late
i know its gotta be bad

Tdot_LFC
06-02-2018, 08:55 PM
So with only the players currently available, how should we be lining up at the back then?

MightyDM
06-02-2018, 08:57 PM
The mistake was Ricketts for Osorio. Should have been Delgado but it might be Delgado couldn't go 60 minutes. Delgado for Chapman made sense, as did Hagglund into the defence. BUT....we had nobody left to switch up.

Once Berhalter adjusted, we were stuck with a front 3 who can't really play much defence.

i don’t think that is correct. It was 1 - 0 when Ricketts came on and he hustled on defence. Vanney needed to bring Hasler on for Vasquez at 3-1. Vasquez was hurt or gassed and not contributing. This is on Vanney, Bradley and Victor. Aand I support them all, but we need to be honest.

OgtheDim
06-02-2018, 09:00 PM
The commentary by Terry Dunfield is that their legs were gone. If that’s the case, where was the third sub and 2hy leave walking Vasquez on post 3-1? Despite Bradley’s horror show, those decisions are on Vanney.

Because we had no more subs to make.



Osorio goes out injured at a really bad time. None of the midfield guys on the bench can go 70 minutes. Neither can Hagglund. So Vanney really only has a bunch of kids or Ricketts he can put in. He puts in Ricketts. After that, we were destined to have VV, Seba & Ricketts up top towards the end of the game. Why? Because its either Delgado or Hasler coming in the midfield if we have a lead & its ALWAYS going to be Hagglund coming in around 60-70 minutes. With those 3 up top, our midfield was going to have serious issues handling them. And you could see them make line breaking pass after pass through VV & Ricketts.


Berhalter used his team pretty much perfectly after that - add in Bradley brain cramps & I fail to see where exactly Vanney could have done anything else.

We got beat by bad play by our captain & injuries.


(edited out a bit of over capitalization & adjusted the minutes amount)

reggie
06-02-2018, 09:02 PM
do worry all these injured guys will be fresh in july:facepalm:

stevep
06-02-2018, 09:06 PM
This season is over people if this game does not prove it, then nothing will for some people just disgraceful stuff this is TFC of 2007 to 2014 crap!!

i think realistically speaking 6th place is the best we can hope for this year.

if we get in at 6th place, we have showed we can kick ass in away games
we were up 3-0. if we had a healthy mavinga, and moor and zavaletta this would not have happened

then say we win the one game playoff we are the same as everybody else, no one has any advantage over us at that point

Fort York Redcoat
06-02-2018, 09:14 PM
Our last hope?

No, There is another....

Cinci...... :rolleyes:

Ok this is strong with the force. Bye bye yellow team.

stevep
06-02-2018, 09:15 PM
Because we had no more subs to make.



Osorio goes out injured at a really bad time. None of the midfield guys on the bench can go 70 minutes. Neither can Hagglund. So Vanney really only has a bunch of kids or Ricketts he can put in. He puts in Ricketts. After that, we were destined to have VV, Seba & Ricketts up top towards the end of the game. Why? Because its either Delgado or Hasler coming in the midfield if we have a lead & its ALWAYS going to be Hagglund coming in around 60-70 minutes. With those 3 up top, our midfield was going to have serious issues handling them. And you could see them make line breaking pass after pass through VV & Ricketts.


Berhalter used his team pretty much perfectly after that - add in Bradley brain cramps & I fail to see where exactly Vanney could have done anything else.

We got beat by bad play by our captain & injuries.


(edited out a bit of over capitalization & adjusted the minutes amount)


we could have put in hasler for delgado, delgado is a late game lead killer, a late game goal giver uppper.
have you not noticed how many times this year delgado has cost us goals late in games this year
his plus minus in later stages of games must be terrible

OgtheDim
06-02-2018, 09:26 PM
Just to add to the general moroseness

https://www.prosoccerusa.com/mls/columbus-crew-sc/fans-clash-before-crew-sc-and-toronto-game/

MightyDM
06-02-2018, 09:27 PM
Because we had no more subs to make.



Osorio goes out injured at a really bad time. None of the midfield guys on the bench can go 70 minutes. Neither can Hagglund. So Vanney really only has a bunch of kids or Ricketts he can put in. He puts in Ricketts. After that, we were destined to have VV, Seba & Ricketts up top towards the end of the game. Why? Because its either Delgado or Hasler coming in the midfield if we have a lead & its ALWAYS going to be Hagglund coming in around 60-70 minutes. With those 3 up top, our midfield was going to have serious issues handling them. And you could see them make line breaking pass after pass through VV & Ricketts.


Berhalter used his team pretty much perfectly after that - add in Bradley brain cramps & I fail to see where exactly Vanney could have done anything else.

We got beat by bad play by our captain & injuries.


(edited out a bit of over capitalization & adjusted the minutes amount)

Good point. I missed one of Ricketts Delgado Hagglund. Still, Vasquez was walking all game. He needed to go, perhaps for Delgado.

stevep
06-02-2018, 09:31 PM
i just watched the highlights, bradley responsible for all 3 goals

SoccMan2
06-02-2018, 09:36 PM
i just watched the highlights, bradley responsible for all 3 goals
Yup he was , Iíll give him the benefit of the doubt because he is playing out of position , but still all three goals were more or less due to his mistakes.

Still Kicking
06-02-2018, 09:40 PM
Why did the last 25 minutes of tonight's game feel as if we were being returned to an island that we had escaped from in 2016?

ag futbol
06-02-2018, 09:42 PM
Couldnít watch tonight and I last checked the box on this crap when it was 3-1 in the 80th minute. WTF

SirBobSaget
06-02-2018, 09:42 PM
A 5 million player that did nothing except ship 3 idiot goals. Vanney is not untouchable give any mls coach the tfc budget and they would win 1 mls cup in 3 years as the top spender.

OgtheDim
06-02-2018, 09:49 PM
..... Vanney is not untouchable give any mls coach the tfc budget and they would win 1 mls cup in 3 years as the top spender.

Well apart from this being a cap league -


There are 3 other coaches as good as Vanney in this league - Berhalter, Martinez, Vierra. The rest are just not there. And rumour has it Berhalter is up for USMNT.

MightyDM
06-02-2018, 09:50 PM
A 5 million player that did nothing except ship 3 idiot goals. Vanney is not untouchable give any mls coach the tfc budget and they would win 1 mls cup in 3 years as the top spender.

Calm down.

Initial B
06-02-2018, 10:08 PM
I think that was probably the worst game Bradley has played since he came to Toronto. I'm wondering if age is catching up to him now. I can't see how Vanney can keep using him in the CB role after this if the other CBs are now close to match fit.

Prof
06-02-2018, 10:12 PM
Chapman was crap and why oh why was Hagglund in the midfield and Bradley still at the back after he came on??? Tough two points to lose, but I still think we end the season with 54 points enough for 5th or 6th. The boys did look tired. Hernandez played a good game and until the other backs are ready he, Hagland and Vandaviel should be the back 3. We need full points in next two games.

marquis
06-02-2018, 10:14 PM
It's really unfair to have Bradley as scapegoat here.

After Columbus made tactical changes at 0-3, the game completely changed and it was clear it was just a matter of time until they score. They did, but Vanney still didn't adjust because he hoped we'll somehow hang on. But the pressure was so overwhelming that everyone was making mistakes, it just happened that Bradley was the last one and most visible. Watch carefully their last two goals, it's a comedy of errors.

The lack of tactical response from Vanney lost us two points tonight, not Bradley.

InDa_110
06-02-2018, 10:19 PM
did you not see that delgado was responsible for the third goal for sure
and did not help at all on the second goal

i have noticed this in other games delgado costs us goals when he comes in the game late
is there a stat of plus minus goals when marky comes in games late
i know its gotta be bad

Most accurate post of the shitty night

reggie
06-02-2018, 10:21 PM
we had a dream season last year ..we had a dream season last year ...we had a dream season last year... we had a dream season last year.i feel better now:scarf::drinking:

gardooney
06-02-2018, 10:26 PM
Couldn’t agree more, not a great game today for Bradley. Gave it away for the first. Too casual in the box for the second. And too careless for the penalty.

GerMc
06-02-2018, 10:27 PM
It's really unfair to have Bradley as scapegoat here.

After Columbus made tactical changes at 0-3, the game completely changed and it was clear it was just a matter of time until they score. They did, but Vanney still didn't adjust because he hoped we'll somehow hang on. But the pressure was so overwhelming that everyone was making mistakes, it just happened that Bradley was the last one and most visible. Watch carefully their last two goals, it's a comedy of errors.

The lack of tactical response from Vanney lost us two points tonight, not Bradley.

I just finished watching the game on PVR and I don't agree with not calling out Bradley's play. He was generally not that good tonight and he was involved in all three Columbus goals. He went up against Zardes on the header from the corner and was beat. He made a high risk move on the Crognale goal, and got burned. And then he gave away the penalty at the end. Yes, it was Delgado's giveaway that caused the goal, but Delgado wasn't at fault in all three of the goals. it was painful to watch. I would agree that Vanney can't seem to get it through his head that Bradley is a terrible fullback, but Vanney isn't on the field making all those mistakes. Let's not pretend that Bradley wasn't brutal tonight, and has been brutal for the last few weeks.

Tdot_LFC
06-02-2018, 10:31 PM
He shouldn’t have been playing the position, but he was still shockingly inept.

reggie
06-02-2018, 10:39 PM
wow seattle is sucking the bag this year also

NK Toronto
06-02-2018, 11:36 PM
Does anyone know what the record is for fewest points in a season following an MLS Cup?

matteo30
06-03-2018, 12:21 AM
Im stunned, It's one thing to lose matches but with the quality in our side to be leaking goals, and losing when they should have won is not good at all. 3 wins 7 loses 2 ties.. we don't even play that badly in these matches. Vanney really needs to stop with the lineup changes its great that Telfer and Frasier are getting run outs but instead of Delgado and Hasler.... All he needed to do was start Hagglund and move Bradley back to holding Mid. We would have won tonight. He is always tinkering with formations and lineups playing people out of position. Also in games our opponents have taken to injuring our guys on purpose Oso tonight was another example. They know they won't get red carded it's disgusting. We need to play 3 at the back and get Bradley out of CB we are in a big hole now because of our personal being injured and not preforming but also Vanney and his refusal to do what got them the Championship is disgusting, he is dealing with injuries to his whole roster i get it but 3 at the back with Hagglund and Bradley in the mid is not drastic and we will start to turn it around i know we have the quality in our side, but when we do turn it around it will be too late... I say as of now we finish 7th... :facepalm::drinking:

Derko
06-03-2018, 01:59 AM
All 3 Columbus goals are on Bradley

Canary10
06-03-2018, 06:23 AM
Bradley is the one player who has played virtually every minute this season and out of position the last month. He needs a game off and to play in the midfield where he should be. Generalizing a bad game to his character and quality is stupid.

OgtheDim
06-03-2018, 07:27 AM
The Bradley fault on the first goal started before that actual play - he made a bone head attempt to dribble that lead to the corner kick.

ensco
06-03-2018, 07:47 AM
Where are the lovers of the Champions league; because at this rate we are neither making the playoffs or Champions league

I am right here. I'd still take the CCL shot like we did, in a flash. So close.

That was ugly, agreed. Guys made mistakes.

The CCL run and the injuries have exhausted some guys. We have not been rested or close to healthy once. We need that WC break. (Even that is shortened for us by that rescheduled DCU game.)

We did score three on the road, against a really good defensive team, in case anyone cares. We cashed a PK. Ricketts showed real quality staying onside on the second goal. Gio found the range.

12 down, 22 games to go. On to Philly.

C.Ronaldo
06-03-2018, 08:48 AM
Bottom of the table surely gets us a decent draft, no?

NK Toronto
06-03-2018, 10:06 AM
Bottom of the table surely gets us a decent draft, no?

Historically you don't get premier talent from the MLS draft, as teams are built through their academies and by signing foreign players. So not a lot of consolation should TFC get a high draft pick.

MightyDM
06-03-2018, 10:36 AM
I am right here. I'd still take the CCL shot like we did, in a flash. So close.

That was ugly, agreed. Guys made mistakes.

The CCL run and the injuries have exhausted some guys. We have not been rested or close to healthy once. We need that WC break. (Even that is shortened for us by that rescheduled DCU game.)

We did score three on the road, against a really good defensive team, in case anyone cares. We cashed a PK. Ricketts showed real quality staying onside on the second goal. Gio found the range.

12 down, 22 games to go. On to Philly.

i agree with this sentiment. Just had to be factual about MB last night. Still puzzled as to why Vasquez wa#nt brought off. He was walking, I assume because he was hurt.

Also Williams should have been sent off for that tackle on Gio. It was a deliberate foul and he was last man back. Genuine scoring chance shouldn’t enter into it.

FIAF
06-03-2018, 10:50 AM
Agree with everyone stop putting bradley as CB, you're better off putting someone from the reserves there who actually plays that position. He is much better in his natural position.

OgtheDim
06-03-2018, 03:55 PM
Part of the problem is we have exactly bupkis in the form of defender prospects down on the farm. Years of drafting & academy work & we basically got Haglund.

BakaGaijin
06-03-2018, 06:28 PM
Bradley also cost us points in recent games. The game against the Sounders he missed a critical tackle as one of the last men back and it led to Bruin's goal....watch the highlights.

https://youtu.be/3agZVHxU7sE

Against Dallas his terrible marking on the throw in led to the Urrutti goal.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.mlssoccer.com/post/2018/05/25/goal-maxi-urruti-deflects-home-opening-goal%3famp

There is a reason Bradley is considered the most overrated player in MLS. Our DP's should be in the Top 10 players in the league. Bradley is not even close.

I like him as a character guy....but he is not good enough to be a DP on our team.

notthesun
06-03-2018, 08:04 PM
Bradley also cost us points in recent games. The game against the Sounders he missed a critical tackle as one of the last men back and it led to Bruin's goal....watch the highlights.

https://youtu.be/3agZVHxU7sE

Against Dallas his terrible marking on the throw in led to the Urrutti goal.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.mlssoccer.com/post/2018/05/25/goal-maxi-urruti-deflects-home-opening-goal%3famp

There is a reason Bradley is considered the most overrated player in MLS. Our DP's should be in the Top 10 players in the league. Bradley is not even close.

I like him as a character guy....but he is not good enough to be a DP on our team.

These are all examples of him making mistakes playing as a makeshift CB. That's the issue, Vanney has to move him back into midfield permanently. The one game we've played since the CCL with Bradley at DM, we won (vs. Orlando, and the goal they scored wasn't on him).

These are the same type of complaints a lot of people had about Bradley back in 2014 and 2015, when he was playing as a box-to-box, pseudo-attacking midfielder, and his aggressiveness in the middle combined with having no one to back him up in midfield was costing us games, coming to a head with the knockout round loss to Montreal in 2015. Then, too, he was being played out of position, asked to play a role he isn't comfortable with (not since his days in the Netherlands anyways).

Since 2016 when Vanney made the permanent switch, Bradley has been the best DM in the league, unquestionably, and he's been instrumental in all our championship-contending runs. So, respectfully, his overall ability shouldn't be up for debate. He just needs to be moved back to his proper role.

Yohan
06-03-2018, 08:20 PM
The Good: 3 goals away at Columbus, who had a 7 game unbeaten streak and something like 0.8 goals against, one of stingiest defence in the league this season

The Bad: I hope Osorio's injury is not bad

The Ugly: Everything after going up 3-0. UGH.

For those that say fire a treble winning coach a half season afterwards, this ain't Serie A and roller coaster of managers. I for one, don't want to see the revolving door of managers we had prior to Vanney. Vanney has earned enough creds to last at least end of this year.

BakaGaijin
06-03-2018, 08:52 PM
These are all examples of him making mistakes playing as a makeshift CB. That's the issue, Vanney has to move him back into midfield permanently. The one game we've played since the CCL with Bradley at DM, we won (vs. Orlando, and the goal they scored wasn't on him).

These are the same type of complaints a lot of people had about Bradley back in 2014 and 2015, when he was playing as a box-to-box, pseudo-attacking midfielder, and his aggressiveness in the middle combined with having no one to back him up in midfield was costing us games, coming to a head with the knockout round loss to Montreal in 2015. Then, too, he was being played out of position, asked to play a role he isn't comfortable with (not since his days in the Netherlands anyways).

Since 2016 when Vanney made the permanent switch, Bradley has been the best DM in the league, unquestionably, and he's been instrumental in all our championship-contending runs. So, respectfully, his overall ability shouldn't be up for debate. He just needs to be moved back to his proper role.

I guess will just have to agree to disagree.

Those two plays I mentioned have nothing to do with being a CB. They are defensive plays that any quality DM should make.

OgtheDim
06-03-2018, 09:08 PM
The overated thing is pure bunkum that US Eurosnobs, even those who don't realise they are Eurosnobs have about him & Jozy for coming back while still in their prime. His DM play is usually superb. BUT...he needs linkup outlets out front of him (which the US didn't do under Klinnsman or Arena) & a decent quarterbacking CB behind him (which he doesn't really have right now).

He was arguably our real MVP last season & was definitely the best player on the pitch for much of the CCL run & last years final.

Oldtimer
06-04-2018, 05:58 AM
I guess will just have to agree to disagree.

Those two plays I mentioned have nothing to do with being a CB. They are defensive plays that any quality DM should make.

What you are saying is true. Another side of it is that Bradley's concentration seems to break when he is playing out of position.

Fort York Redcoat
06-04-2018, 06:48 AM
Bottom of the table surely gets us a decent draft, no?


Historically you don't get premier talent from the MLS draft, as teams are built through their academies and by signing foreign players. So not a lot of consolation should TFC get a high draft pick.

That was a joke. Cronny has seen plenty of drafts throughout the years.:D

A Stick
06-04-2018, 10:27 AM
I am worried that all the playing time that Bradley has put in over the past 3 years has finally caught up to him. He looks slow and it's also affecting his decision making.

Voodooman
06-04-2018, 11:27 AM
I personally feel like it's just affecting his judgement. He is not able to do a lot of things he is able to do in DM then he is in CB. Mainly because he always has that force behind him just in case.

To the person who suggested we use reserves, we did that. They were not ready for MLS Play as demonstrated in those couple games. I honestly feel like it was our only solid choice.

Yes he hasn't been the dependable confident Bradley we always have, but everyone goes through a rough 2-3 game stretch. I feel like with Hagglund hopefully full-time returning, he can go back to CDM, and everything should be okay with him. May need 1 game to re-adjust but with a Philly team missing Bedoya, he might have a chance to have that readjustment game.

notthesun
06-04-2018, 04:12 PM
I don't see Bradley's mistakes as being unrelated to the position either. His first instinct is always to try to maintain possession... how many times a game do we see him boot a ball up field under pressure? Rarely ever happens. Swap Hagglund or Zavaleta for Bradley on Columbus' 2nd goal and they blast it out without a second thought, maybe scuff it for a corner kick, but they certainly don't try to control it there. But that's how Bradley's wired.

Seattle's goal against us, that's a step in that Bradley is used to making with support behind him. He played it very aggressively because he's used to having people to back him up there. He still should've made the tackle but a lifetime CB would've held ground, shielded the center of the field and run the Seattle player towards the touchline instead.

I don't like piling on players that are put in unusual and difficult positions... it's generally not fair to them.

portu
06-04-2018, 07:19 PM
Bradley is not the issue with this team right now. Heís playing as well as a DM turned CB should be expected to do. I wonder who keeps playing him there?

General Woolfe
06-04-2018, 07:59 PM
Bradley is not the issue with this team right now. Heís playing as well as a DM turned CB should be expected to do. I wonder who keeps playing him there?

Great point. Why not start Hagglund & Hernandez at CB? There was even the option of Hassler in the back four with a shuffle leaving VDW to partner Hernandez. Either option would free up the captain to play his natural and best position at DM. Make no mistake, Bradley is the most important member of our side. When he plays TF plays, when he's out (or out of position) we struggle. He reads the game so well sitting in front of the defence, not only shielding and protecting our defenders, but starting moves with the intelligent forward pass. It was irresponsible of Vanney to play him CB in Columbus when we had other options.

How long is the coach going to escape criticism for this current shit show? I know injuries are at the heart of our horrendous season thus far, however the situation hasnt always been managed in the best way imho. Vanney shows too much faith in certain players and imho overrates certain of our starters (Osorio, Delgado) I have no idea how much our current budget leaves for movement, but promoting Akinola, MiŮo, Fraser, and Telfer to the first team was not a smart move for me, and whatever way you try to twist it Aketxe has been an absolute bust. We still very much need a top class striker to provide competition for Seba & Jozy and the same goes for Vazquez. Despite much of our troubles injury wise being defensive, with a healthy squad we are well covered there. Had we shopped around for that striker and creative midfielder we would not have dropped nearly as many points as we have, and had Bradley played CM we would not have thrown away two points on the weekend. I recognize signings are very much the realm of Bez but how much of this current mess is down to Vanney, and when does he have to answer for it?

paul-collins
06-04-2018, 08:17 PM
Great point. Why not start Hagglund & Hernandez at CB? There was even the option of Hassler in the back four with a shuffle leaving VDW to partner Hernandez. Either option would free up the captain to play his natural and best position at DM.
So, the problem with this analysis is that Hagglund and Hernandez were on for all 3 Columbus goals. (Hagglund was subbed in right before the first corner IIRC)

This does not excuse Bradley, who blew it on the next two goals, but our problem started when Hernandez tired. So Bradley was unprotected at back... Starting Hernandez doesn't magically fix Bradley's brain cramps, nor does putting Hagglund in to pair with Jason.

Bradley is justifiably exhausted.

portu
06-04-2018, 10:41 PM
How long is the coach going to escape criticism for this current shit show? I know injuries are at the heart of our horrendous season thus far, however the situation hasnt always been managed in the best way imho.

I donít think Vanney should be fired but I do want to see a visible level of accountability and Iím surprised most in this forum donít agree. Vanney has not once come out as far as I know and said ďYou know what? This game was on meĒ. We have been in a position to collect points on multiple occasions this season even with a depleted squad and his inability to manage situations (especially Tobias time) has been glaringly obvious, the only thing more obvious is his inability to take public responsibility. As for the forums opinion on Vanney, I feel like the only reason many refuse to hold him accountable is because of the playoff/CCL/whatever runs. At the end of the day though, by letting his past successes cover-up for his current failures, youíre letting him become bigger than the club.

If Vanney fails to make playoffs and win Voyageurs, I think that would shift me into the Vanney out camp quite firmly. Then again, so long as Bez is here (and I think he should remain regardless of how this season pans out) I doubt Vanney goes anywhere either.

Graeme
06-05-2018, 06:24 AM
So, the problem with this analysis is that Hagglund and Hernandez were on for all 3 Columbus goals. (Hagglund was subbed in right before the first corner IIRC).

I think Hagglund came in just after the 2nd goal? Just after the header, in any case--the kind of thing he normally wins for us.

OgtheDim
06-05-2018, 06:41 AM
Ya'll know by this reasoning you would have for the last 2 years fired the coach who beat us on the weekend, right?

When you get a decent coach in this league, you don't let him go.

paul-collins
06-05-2018, 07:41 AM
I think Hagglund came in just after the 2nd goal? Just after the header, in any case--the kind of thing he normally wins for us.
The header was the first goal. He might have subbed in right after the goal, I don't recall clearly - there were a lot of subs right at that time... Timeline lists both as 67' but . However, the other two goals were still with both Hagglund and Hernandez on the field.

DinamoTFC
06-05-2018, 09:18 AM
The header was the first goal. He might have subbed in right after the goal, I don't recall clearly - there were a lot of subs right at that time... Timeline lists both as 67' but . However, the other two goals were still with both Hagglund and Hernandez on the field.


Hagglund came on immediately after the first goal. I remember watching and thinking hurry up and get him on the field or we're letting a goal in on this corner. And of course we did.

As for the other 2 other goals, those were simply 2 bone head plays by Bradley. 2nd goal was him wanting to play it out of the 6yard box rather than punting it (this has actually costed us numerous goals in previous games as well by causing uneeded pressure on the backline of other teammates). Third goal was just a comical foul. First goal is forgivable, not the 2nd and third. Hernandez and Hagglund were fine.

paul-collins
06-05-2018, 10:54 AM
Hagglund came on immediately after the first goal. I remember watching and thinking hurry up and get him on the field or we're letting a goal in on this corner. And of course we did.

As for the other 2 other goals, those were simply 2 bone head plays by Bradley. 2nd goal was him wanting to play it out of the 6yard box rather than punting it (this has actually costed us numerous goals in previous games as well by causing uneeded pressure on the backline of other teammates). Third goal was just a comical foul. First goal is forgivable, not the 2nd and third. Hernandez and Hagglund were fine.



Yes and I'm not pointing fingers at them for that. What I'm saying is, having them start the game doesn't solve the problem at hand and prevent the goals against. I feel the problem isn't MB at CD necessarily, but rather (IMO) his exhaustion and the resulting subpar play from him.

We didn't rest players until the Colorado and Houston games, and that early season load (8 CCL games, 6 league games after delaying the DC one but including the Chicago one right after the CCL final) has resulted in all our injuries and MB playing less well than we expect.

That is 12 games these guys played in two months, with 1 delayed and 2 that we played our bench, rather than the expected 7. All without benefit of a proper offseason.

To me the Columbus collapse feels exactly like the Chicago collapse. Just straight up fatigue... in this case it was more obvious just for the General, whereas before it felt like it was the whole squad.

Yohan
06-05-2018, 10:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sPjyu1AY3I