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OgtheDim
05-10-2018, 05:53 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dug-G9xVdVs


Have at It People

OgtheDim
05-11-2018, 06:37 AM
Odds on Seba getting two yellows is quite high I'd say

Referee: Mark Geiger

Oldtimer
05-11-2018, 07:45 PM
I'm really hoping Bradley can move back to midfield for this one.

SoccMan2
05-11-2018, 08:02 PM
Don’t think they would win this game in New England even if they had a full team without injuries, they lost last year in New England even with the kind of season they had last year they still lost there. Therefore, the losing will continue unfortunately 4-1 New England and the nightmare of a regular season continues .

ensco
05-11-2018, 11:52 PM
I think Vanney needs to park the bus and play for 0-0.

I always fear injuries in this stupid stadium.

OgtheDim
05-12-2018, 06:42 AM
Frankly I think a point would be a good result here. This team won't settle for that but all I want is for them to work hard, don't do anything stupid, no red cards, play for the badge, develop chemistry & no injuries.

Areathrasher
05-12-2018, 08:02 AM
I expected to win on Wednesday and lose tonight so...2-1 TFC

portu
05-12-2018, 08:17 AM
So many bad New England memories seem like the ones at Gilette are always the most frustrating games. From Koevermans to red cards and stupid offside calls. Maybe it'll be different now that Nguyen and Heaps are gone but then again maybe it won't. This team is not at its best without Jozy up top, but Seba is more than capable to play up top alone (though he limits us tactically in that way). The biggest issue is not having Bradley at DM and capable CBs. Without a return to play from Hagglund/Zavaleta/Mavinga we lose this imo.

3-1 without a CB. 1-1 with a CB.

ensco
05-12-2018, 09:32 AM
Bradley had a tough game Wednesday. Lots of errant passes. He cannot go ball hawking along the sideline when he is a CB (like he did on Seattle's first goal). They have to stay compact, and he has to lead that.

Knowing how he reacts to those types of losses, I expect him to put the team on his back tonight.

OgtheDim
05-12-2018, 05:37 PM
https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/995431172103536640

That looks like they want to weather the storm then come at them after 60 minutes or just let it all slide after we go behind.

portu
05-12-2018, 05:37 PM
Lmfao I can't even with that starting line-up. Actually pathetic. So many things which make me concerned. Where's VDW (He's not even on the bench)?! Why isn't Seba starting?! Telfer over Morgan!?

Edit: Revising my prediction after seeing these line-ups (4-0 for the Revs)

ensco
05-12-2018, 05:53 PM
This is what I wanted.

First and foremost, don’t risk injuries.

OgtheDim
05-12-2018, 05:57 PM
Ugh

just


Ugh


https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/995436316522246144

notthesun
05-12-2018, 06:08 PM
If these injuries keep piling up I actually will be concerned for the playoff race... this is insane.

portu
05-12-2018, 06:15 PM
The way things are going I've gotta believe (for my own sanity) that Vanney and Co. are banking on going on an insane run once everyone's healthy, which is why you bench Seba/Mavinga/VDW/Vazquez here.

ensco
05-12-2018, 06:18 PM
I am going to go for a walk, then head over to the “season is over” thread with some popcorn around 930pm.

tfcfans
05-12-2018, 06:40 PM
Let me know when it’s June 24/July 1 when the season starts....this is just a write off until that time, I have zero expectations of this squad until then. They will have 20 or so games left and they will need to win about 15 of them.....not saying they can or cannot do it, that’s just the reality of our situation. Hopefully next year they will reassess how to handle CCL if they are fortunate enough to make it back there again......

InDa_110
05-12-2018, 06:40 PM
I am going to go for a walk, then head over to the “season is over” thread with some popcorn around 930pm.

Bahahahahaha!!! ROTFLMFAO

BeachTory
05-12-2018, 06:44 PM
http://goatdee.net/255006/watch-new-england-revolution-vs-toronto-fc

Stream. Revs home broadcast, which means ya gotta put up with Mariner, but at least you can see the game

portu
05-12-2018, 06:47 PM
Lmao x1

Red CB Toronto
05-12-2018, 06:48 PM
Fuck, what a joke !

PizzaEatingYeti
05-12-2018, 06:48 PM
Jesus, how garbage we are!

General Woolfe
05-12-2018, 06:48 PM
Here we go.. Vanney throws away another three points with a half ass team selection...

Bono should have done way way better there. Perhaps a Vanney should be thinking of giving him a rest

Red CB Toronto
05-12-2018, 06:49 PM
What the fuck is going on here

portu
05-12-2018, 06:50 PM
Holy fuck

Red CB Toronto
05-12-2018, 06:50 PM
What a give away, you simply can't do that, what a disastrous start we have here.

InDa_110
05-12-2018, 06:50 PM
What a pass!

Oh wait...

PizzaEatingYeti
05-12-2018, 06:51 PM
Jesus, how garbage we are!

X 2 times!

notthesun
05-12-2018, 06:52 PM
Holy christ, 8 minutes in and Aketxe has wrapped up goat status for this one...

I think he's talented but I'm starting to think this might not turn... would be Bez's first transfer miss in about 2.5 seasons.

AdamAM
05-12-2018, 06:53 PM
Axetke doesn't come to the pass from Bradley on the first goal, then gives away the ball for the second. He is directly at fault for both of our goals in the first 7 minutes. No more waiting, get rid of him.

Red CB Toronto
05-12-2018, 06:53 PM
Where is their fight, the Reds simply don't have the intensity they need to step up.

Couchy81
05-12-2018, 06:53 PM
Hello darkness my old friend

General Woolfe
05-12-2018, 06:53 PM
For fecks sake just pull Aketxe now and put him on the first flight back to Spain

This has a repeat of Houston written all over it tonight

stevep
05-12-2018, 06:55 PM
that was Aketzxe nicest pass all year

over and out

Red CB Toronto
05-12-2018, 06:55 PM
At this point I want to Mino out there, can't be any worse than what's currently going on out on the pitch.

Red CB Toronto
05-12-2018, 06:58 PM
Jesus Christ, at the point I would be B lining over to Legal Seafood for what would be an amazing meal, far better than experiencing any more of the mess ) :

OgtheDim
05-12-2018, 06:59 PM
This group of players playing out of the back against this press on their pitch is.....unwise.

portu
05-12-2018, 07:01 PM
This is comical. Mariner (BLOODY MARINER) just compared this game to watching a first team play a youth team.

benito
05-12-2018, 07:04 PM
This is comical. Mariner (BLOODY MARINER) just compared this game to watching a first team play a youth team.

So far, he’s right.

RedsYNWA
05-12-2018, 07:04 PM
Seattle plays their B team & we lose...We play our B team & we lose ...again & again.. so much for our great depth

OgtheDim
05-12-2018, 07:07 PM
Once we get Bradley back in the midfield, this sort of game will not happen.


That having been said - NER isn't all that good and we've had a couple of decent chances while they have missed a couple of other gifts.

Should be 4-1

InDa_110
05-12-2018, 07:10 PM
Not the most boring game ive ever seen though.

OgtheDim
05-12-2018, 07:11 PM
"Comes back to Osoiro....he takes a touch..."

You know the rest.

notthesun
05-12-2018, 07:11 PM
Once we get Bradley back in the midfield, this sort of game will not happen.

I really think he should put him in midfield now anyways. It hasn't worked and still isn't so put him where he's best.

We're generating chances now but lacking the quality to put them away, and still producing heart attacks defensively. I smell a 4-1 loss or something like that the way this is going.

PizzaEatingYeti
05-12-2018, 07:12 PM
This is comical. Mariner (BLOODY MARINER) just compared this game to watching a first team play a youth team.

Yeah, and the painful part is that he's very right.

Red CB Toronto
05-12-2018, 07:13 PM
Can we please have our team back?

shwade
05-12-2018, 07:14 PM
Squad needs a recharge. When's the next break?

shwade
05-12-2018, 07:14 PM
Hello darkness my old friend

Hahahaj

benito
05-12-2018, 07:19 PM
Tfc has found some composure in the last few minutes

InDa_110
05-12-2018, 07:25 PM
Hamilton and Ricketts really stink.

Sorry to say

shwade
05-12-2018, 07:27 PM
Take off tefler.

OgtheDim
05-12-2018, 07:31 PM
Telfer is a decent enough winger for his experience but he's not a LB

He is going up against one of the best RB's in the league - they guy we could have had but traded down to grab Kyle Bekker. Remind me why I thought Payne knew what he was doing?

molenshtain
05-12-2018, 07:31 PM
If we had two healthy CB's and Bradley at DM we'd be winning this game easily.

This sucks, and it really is putting us in a hard position in terms of our eventual playoff seed, but we'll be fine. Even with this team on the field we've been playing easily through midfield and applying a ton of pressure on NE. The system is working, we're just essentially asking a plumber and his his stoner friend who lives on his couch to execute it.

guys will come back, people will go back to playing their usual positions, and will go on a tear down the stretch. Just gotta get through the next month.

PizzaEatingYeti
05-12-2018, 07:35 PM
Stream. Revs home broadcast, which means ya gotta put up with Mariner, but at least you can see the game

Actually I find Mariner's commentary pretty decent.
Of course it's easy to assess it like "decent". when we are weak as molasses and can't expect anything more from this game after just 10 minutes than not a too many goals loss.

JohnnyEnglish
05-12-2018, 07:38 PM
Hamilton and Ricketts are static. NE can congest the middle of the park and force the ball wide without worrying about anyone showing for the ball. Far too easy.

RedsYNWA
05-12-2018, 07:42 PM
Whenever I see 3 or more "Canadians" on the field you know we are Losing

GerMc
05-12-2018, 07:45 PM
Shocking....

General Woolfe
05-12-2018, 07:45 PM
Bono needs to be dropped

wopchop
05-12-2018, 07:45 PM
What the fuck

portu
05-12-2018, 07:45 PM
J o k e

PizzaEatingYeti
05-12-2018, 07:46 PM
Still nice enough, we're not losing with 4-5 goals!

:scarf:

portu
05-12-2018, 07:48 PM
Okay either we're giving up or going for it. Bring on Seba, Victor, Mavinga or take off Bradley, Oso and Delgado.

shwade
05-12-2018, 07:48 PM
This stadium and crowd suck. How does NE still have a team

SoccMan2
05-12-2018, 07:49 PM
Holy christ, 8 minutes in and Aketxe has wrapped up goat status for this one...

I think he's talented but I'm starting to think this might not turn... would be Bez's first transfer miss in about 2.5 seasons.
Talented for doing what?

SirBobSaget
05-12-2018, 07:50 PM
Should have traded for a cb. Bez gambled they would recover sooner and Hernandez could fill in. Both way wrong now it's getting bad

SoccMan2
05-12-2018, 07:50 PM
This stadium and crowd suck. How does NE still have a team
And we keep losing to these fucks year in and year out, with a full team and not.

samuraizero
05-12-2018, 07:51 PM
Bono needs to be dropped

I dont really agree with this, we've seen this guy pull some amazing feats.
What we NEED is our starting defense back on the field.

portu
05-12-2018, 07:51 PM
Talented for doing what?

Ager is clearly talented, to say otherwise is totally unfair, but to claim he doesn't fit the side or hasn't performed well on the whole compared to his contract is very very valid.

wopchop
05-12-2018, 07:53 PM
Ager is clearly talented, to say otherwise is totally unfair, but to claim he doesn't fit the side or hasn't performed well on the whole compared to his contract is very very valid.
Mostly agree. He has talent. I thought he played quite well last week with Vasquez. I still think that he could work out, but I'll admit it's getting worrying.

That second goal tonight is all him IMO, but to put all the blame on him for the first is harsh.

shwade
05-12-2018, 07:54 PM
No. Don't put Seba on

shwade
05-12-2018, 07:57 PM
He better not pull anything.

General Woolfe
05-12-2018, 07:58 PM
Why bother risking Séba now when the game is lost. He should have been on from the start. Shocking management fron Vanney. As for Vazquez he should have taken a shot and played from the off too. These games are becoming vital, we can’t afford to throw three points away like Vanney did tonight with half a team of TFC II players

benito
05-12-2018, 08:03 PM
Terrible miss by Chapman. Giovinco delivered to him on a platter.

portu
05-12-2018, 08:03 PM
You can't miss that

Hamilton_Red
05-12-2018, 08:05 PM
Efff...I’d walk Ricketts, Aketexe, and Chapman after that miss out the door. You have to score chamces like that - we would could have stolen a point if that had gone in.

Couchy81
05-12-2018, 08:05 PM
Chapman on the first flight back to Brampton

RedsYNWA
05-12-2018, 08:18 PM
See you on the bench Chapman :facepalm:

portu
05-12-2018, 08:20 PM
Is it me or has this gotten harder to watch since Vazquez came on

wopchop
05-12-2018, 08:26 PM
Is it me or has this gotten harder to watch since Vazquez came on
In what way?

shwade
05-12-2018, 08:28 PM
Dun dun dun

wopchop
05-12-2018, 08:28 PM
Ah fuck Gio

shwade
05-12-2018, 08:28 PM
Still..have some context..it was a back and forth.

portu
05-12-2018, 08:29 PM
That was the stupidest fucking thing he could have done in that moment. Hand to face red card. Not even a debate.

molenshtain
05-12-2018, 08:29 PM
Yeah, that's a dumb red. You cant put your hands on another player's face. end of story.

This was quiet a game. Noe Giovinco or Altidore for the next month. Should be fun.

Yohan
05-12-2018, 08:29 PM
pure stupidity from Giovinco. lost his cool over some words and hand to the face of an opponent.

samuraizero
05-12-2018, 08:29 PM
Gio, stupid fucking shit.

PizzaEatingYeti
05-12-2018, 08:29 PM
Sorry but Seba is a fucking idiot for doing that.

General Woolfe
05-12-2018, 08:30 PM
Feck off Giger....

Never a red card. He barely touched him. MLS really is a bush league. To think this clown will be representing MLS in the World Cup. What a joke!

Those saying he touched him, so what? There was no aggression whatsoever

portu
05-12-2018, 08:30 PM
Falling apart, we're falling apart
We're TFC
And we're falling apart

shwade
05-12-2018, 08:33 PM
How do I host a tweet...
Check out @HenryWhitfield’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/HenryWhitfield/status/995475643893600258?s=09

Yohan
05-12-2018, 08:34 PM
Feck off Giger....

Never a red card. He barely touched him. MLS really is a bush league. To think this clown will be representing MLS in the World Cup. What a joke!

Those saying he touched him, so what? There was no aggression whatsoever
Irrelevant. Laws of the Game is very clear on hand to the face is a red card.

stevep
05-12-2018, 08:34 PM
Feck off Giger....

Never a red card. He barely touched him. MLS really is a bush league. To think this clown will be representing MLS in the World Cup. What a joke!

Those saying he touched him, so what? There was no aggression whatsoever

it is a mickey mouse league. last week the seatle guy held gio's shirt on a fast break, clearly unsportsmanlike conduct
now this.
if i was him i would go back to the Italian league, this mls league is beneath him

and if he does leave no way i renew my season seats, no way, i can buy tickets so cheap on ticketsnow

note to mls: you do not take out your star players out of future games when people pay good money to see them play

mickey mouse bush league. also, we play on a really crappy argos field

shwade
05-12-2018, 08:34 PM
I dunno...This isn't the NBA where you touch a player and get a flagrant. Should've been yellow at most.

portu
05-12-2018, 08:34 PM
In what way?
Just felt like we started moving the ball way slower

urdiub
05-12-2018, 08:35 PM
Did a Seattle player not grab Osorio’s face last game?

PAOK17
05-12-2018, 08:36 PM
Is the rule not touching the face of the opponent? Or not touching the opponent at all when it's not a soccer play? The New England player tried to interrupt Giovinco jogging the ball back to the centre circle, but that is not punishable? But when Giovinco touches his face, it is? Is it subjective? Please, someone, explain to me the exact rule here, and why it's inconsistent.

Also on the free kick, allowing the play to go on when the New England player went right up to the ball is ridiculous.

benito
05-12-2018, 08:36 PM
Weak red but Seba has to be smarter. He gets too many cards from complaining or losing his temper.

OgtheDim
05-12-2018, 08:38 PM
Hands to the face is a FIFA mandated red card. He's gone for 2 games.

RealG-TFC
05-12-2018, 08:38 PM
There was a good 20 seconds left before the full stoppage time wtf.

stevep
05-12-2018, 08:39 PM
Hands to the face is a FIFA mandated red card. He's gone for 2 games.

now i see two shitty home games in a row now, we have no strikers now
i was really looking forward to those guys
fkcu i hate this league

portu
05-12-2018, 08:40 PM
Weak red but Seba has to be smarter. He gets too many cards from complaining or losing his temper.
This times a million, a player like Seba should only ever get a card for time-wasting

burlington Red
05-12-2018, 08:40 PM
Stupid card to get. Get back to the halfway line. We were losing and needed another goal. Don't get involved in that crap. Not needed.

notthesun
05-12-2018, 08:42 PM
This is why we had to win vs. Seattle mid-week.

tfcfans
05-12-2018, 08:43 PM
Another joke - another loss, and now another loss next week as we have no one up front again, it’s a petulant Gio play which is tolerable when you are dominating the league and everyone is healthy, but not in this situation.....unless they win 14-15/20 to end the year this team will not make the playoffs....they will be lucky to have more than 10-12 points total through the next 5 games until June 24 (which is about the time I would suggest a significant portion of our team might actually be on the field together again)...... That basically puts them needing about 42 points+ to make the playoffs....if anyone is seeing something else other than a team who is emotionally losing it right now than you are a blind optimist.

Again, I get that this is injury based and we blew it all on CCL, but whatever the reasons, this team is getting further and further behind and just because people think they can win a pile of games to end the year is no guarantee this will happen......I really hope they reconsider how to handle CCL next year......I get going for it this year as part of an all-time legacy thing, but I’m not throwing away what might be our last year with this core group next year on another ill-fated CCL run......

PizzaEatingYeti
05-12-2018, 08:43 PM
Feck off Giger....

Never a red card. He barely touched him. MLS really is a bush league. To think this clown will be representing MLS in the World Cup. What a joke!

Those saying he touched him, so what? There was no aggression whatsoever

Please learn the rules of the game before putting out such a comment.
This is a 100% red card.

wopchop
05-12-2018, 08:43 PM
Just felt like we started moving the ball way slower
Ah, yes. Definitely. I figured he was doing it on purpose. That first half was moving quickly and was basically uncontrollable.

PAOK17
05-12-2018, 08:47 PM
Everyone is saying "hand to face" is automatic red card. I am looking through the laws of the game and simply cannot find that stated at all. Unless we refer to it at as "violent conduct" in which case this should be discretionary, and I don't believe what Giovinco did was violent.

https://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/law_12_fouls_misconduct_en_47379.pdf

Couchy81
05-12-2018, 08:49 PM
Please learn the rules of the game before putting out such a comment.
This is a 100% red card.


Everyone is saying "hand to face" is automatic red card. I am looking through the laws of the game and simply cannot find that stated at all. Unless we refer to it at as "violent conduct" in which case this should be discretionary, and I don't believe what Giovinco did was violent.

https://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/law_12_fouls_misconduct_en_47379.pdf

PizzaEAtingYeti can show us

wopchop
05-12-2018, 08:50 PM
I thought that the hands to the face thing was a USSF directive and not from FIFA?

stevep
05-12-2018, 08:55 PM
PizzaEAtingYeti can show us

pizza eating yeti is an authority on what constitutes a red card
he is an expert

Oldtimer
05-12-2018, 08:58 PM
Exact same red happened to Kaka last season after video review:

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2017/08/14/warshaw-why-referee-did-right-thing-show-kaka-red-card

tfcfans
05-12-2018, 08:59 PM
Well the good thing is the bandwagon should clear out a bit by the end of this season😂 (for those of us who’ve been around since years 1-8 this is just like old times, we did 1/2 a decade of atrocious soccer without batting an eye, what’s 4-5 months?! — ha ha ha), on the plus side, maybe I can put my two pairs of ST together finally as a foursome.....😄😄😄......Less crowding in the tunnel by the fall.....easier to get at table at Joes.....it’s like Monty Python....always look on the bright side of life (whistle the tune if you know it!)......at this point I’m left with gallows humor, there’s nothing left to say in terms of the sheer volume of injuries, bad luck, and idiocy, that has befallen this squad from March-May of this year.....feels like Karmic retribution (or regression to the mean) after last years historic year.....

OgtheDim
05-12-2018, 08:59 PM
Mavinga wasn't fully fit - he kinda of sauntered after a few plays and wasn't his normal speed by any means. It was good to see Bradley back in his better position. Delgado & Osorio are going to break down if we don't get them some time off.

PAOK17
05-12-2018, 08:59 PM
pizza eating yeti is an authority on what constitutes a red card
he is an expert
The irony is that I made it easy for all the people making claims "It's in the rules" by posting the official laws of the game from FIFA. Now all we hear is crickets on the issues.

That's what bothers me the most by people claiming to be experts on many aspects in society. They'll make statements like something is written in law, when it is actually not, and then the equally lazy will just follow their false claims.

Yohan
05-12-2018, 09:01 PM
http://resources.fifa.com/mm/document/footballdevelopment/refereeing/02/90/11/67/lawsofthegame2017-2018-en_neutral.pdf

http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct (http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct)


VIOLENT CONDUCT

Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made.

In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible.

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2018/05/12/red-card-sebastian-giovinco-sees-red-after-scoring

You be the judge if this is 'negligible' force.

PAOK17
05-12-2018, 09:05 PM
Exact same red happened to Kaka last season after video review:

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2017/08/14/warshaw-why-referee-did-right-thing-show-kaka-red-card
Even in that situation, the author and commentators say "Letter of the Law" but don't give a citation to the specific law. Maybe it's just my university background that has ingrained in me the importance of an official reference before making a claim. I really believe none of these experts have read the rules, but instead are just regurgitating information based on passed decisions by refs they have witnessed.

stevep
05-12-2018, 09:06 PM
The irony is that I made it easy for all the people making claims "It's in the rules" by posting the official laws of the game from FIFA. Now all we hear is crickets on the issues.

That's what bothers me the most by people claiming to be experts on many aspects in society. They'll make statements like something is written in law, when it is actually not, and then the equally lazy will just follow their false claims.

i believe it is called "appeal to authority fallacy"

these experts should google it and learn something today, they can say they learned what the appeal to authority fallacy is

OgtheDim
05-12-2018, 09:06 PM
Yeah, except every darn ref & journo & person involved in this league knows this rule exists. Seba is gone until June 2nd.

PAOK17
05-12-2018, 09:07 PM
http://resources.fifa.com/mm/document/footballdevelopment/refereeing/02/90/11/67/lawsofthegame2017-2018-en_neutral.pdf

http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct (http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct)

"unless the force used was negligible." That's the key which allows subjectivity. When I think of a "strike" to a face, I think of a slap or punch with some sort of force.

If what Giovinco did was not considered "negligible", then what constitutes negligible force?

stevep
05-12-2018, 09:08 PM
Mostly agree. He has talent. I thought he played quite well last week with Vasquez. I still think that he could work out, but I'll admit it's getting worrying.

That second goal tonight is all him IMO, but to put all the blame on him for the first is harsh.

you could argue all 3 goals were on him

InDa_110
05-12-2018, 09:09 PM
"unless the force used was negligible." That's the key which allows subjectivity. When I think of a "strike" to a face, I think of a slap or punch with some sort of force.

If what Giovinco did was not considered "negligible", then what constitutes negligible force?

Definition of negligible. : so small or unimportant or of so little consequence as to warrant little or no attention : trifling.

General Woolfe
05-12-2018, 09:11 PM
We really are starting to look like Portland two seasons back. Going from Champions to failing to qualify for the playoffs. That is becoming a serious possibility if we don’t turn this around quickly and decisively.

Weare in danger of trading the title of the best team in MLS history to a team who achieved the best season in MLS history. In other words instead of being seen as a dynasty we will become known as a one hit wonder. In reality we should be well on the road to dynasty status already with 2MLS Cups and a CCL Trophy in the books. Instead our inability to score when dominating opponents caused us to fall short on two occasions.

We frittered away money this summer on positions that weren’t problematic. Instead of signing Van Der Weil and Auro we should have stuck with Beitashour and Hasler, using the money, plus the Aketxe fee on a quality striker instead to give both a challenge and some respite to Séba and Jozy. Instead, Vanney in his wisdom thought Ricketts, Hamilton, and Spencer were good enough. In truth all three are TFC II level.

I really worry we will be unable to turn this current situation around in time given a third of the season is gone and it looks like we’ll end the day 11 points off a playoff spot (NYRB are 1 up) and 15 behind the conference leaders. We need a clean out of the dross and serious investment in a striker and back up to Vazquez in the summer transfer window, because as talented as he is, he appears to be made of glass when it comes to injuries. We need to realize players like Delgado and Osorio are journeymen and not superstars who can turn a game. We need to acknowledge Aketxe and VDW were a mistake. IMHO Hasler offers more than Auro, and Beitashour more than both. Perhaps most importantly we need to acknowledge our much lauded depth is nothing but a myth as Ricketts, Hamilton, Spencer, Telfour Fraser, etc, are not replacement in kind for our first team squad.

Finally, We cannot make the same mistake next season by prioritizing CCL at the expense of MLS. The competition is skewed in favour of Mexican clubs with its timing and the cost has been too high a price to pay even if we had won it.

I really hope we can turn this season around and reclaim our title, going on to build the dynasty everyone believes we should be. We can start by locking down Séba with the contract he desires, followed by finding a player who will compete with him for a starting spot whilst providing back up for Altidore’s inevitable absences thru injury. We should then do the same with Bradley giving him a deal that will keep him with the club until retirement. We have never had players of their level before and should keep them as long as we can. Do this and we will have a quality spine to build around for the foreseeable future

JohnnyEnglish
05-12-2018, 09:12 PM
"unless the force used was negligible." That's the key which allows subjectivity. When I think of a "strike" to a face, I think of a slap or punch with some sort of force.

If what Giovinco did was not considered "negligible", then what constitutes negligible force?

Negligible force or otherwise, the blame lies squarely with Giovinco. You don't intentionally grab at an opponents face, that's asking to be sent off in any league in the world.

gracos
05-12-2018, 09:13 PM
I miss last year so far we are performing fairly poorly; dont play CCL next year if miraculously we qualify; so frustrating

OgtheDim
05-12-2018, 09:16 PM
At the start of the game today, we had 6 people who've played defence injured or on the bench due to injury. CCL had little to do with that. (Go look at the other MLS teams that got far in CCL - the injury rate was not this severe)

gracos
05-12-2018, 09:19 PM
At the start of the game today, we had 6 people who've played defence injured or on the bench due to injury. CCL had little to do with that. (Go look at the other MLS teams that got far in CCL - the injury rate was not this severe)

Well obviously we played CCL and lot of the injuries were caused by travel fatigue and all the extra games we didnt have a strong enough plan to prevent these injuries so i have to believe CCL for us was what caused this extremely poor start

General Woolfe
05-12-2018, 09:27 PM
Irrelevant. Laws of the Game is very clear on hand to the face is a red card.
A ‘pat’ on the face isn’t a red card. Doesn’t the law say “strike” an opponent? There was no striking there

Couchy81
05-12-2018, 09:35 PM
A ‘pat’ on the face isn’t a red card. Doesn’t the law say “strike” an opponent? There was no striking there

IMO if there is no strike or force used then the physical contact of hand on face is negligible.

PAOK17
05-12-2018, 10:11 PM
IMO if there is no strike or force used then the physical contact of hand on face is negligible.
That's my point. Don't put the "negligible" disclaimer if everyone is going to interpret it as any contact to the face. It's ridiculous how a red card can range from breaking someone's legs with a late tackle, to touching a player in the face (after being provoked, mind you).

stevep
05-12-2018, 10:17 PM
That's my point. Don't put the "negligible" disclaimer if everyone is going to interpret it as any contact to the face. It's ridiculous how a red card can range from breaking someone's legs with a late tackle, to touching a player in the face (after being provoked, mind you).

there was 30 seconds left in the game, use some discretion you stupid, stupid referee. you do not remove star players from games. it is called sports and entertainment.
MLSE Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment. another example of the mls referees, mindboggling

now on Friday I get to be entertained by that potent striker duo of Rickets and Hamilton. can't wait

at the end of the game Bradleys screaming at Geiger, Mavinga comes running over to Geiger to yell at him, Vasquez is yelling at Geiger, Vanney does not understand the call on Gio, but all you experts here are right. hand to face is an automatic red, even though i cant find this rule anywhere

Richard
05-12-2018, 10:52 PM
Moral of the story is don't be a little prick.

Giovinco needs an attitude adjustment. As do all the whiny "professional players".

SirBobSaget
05-12-2018, 11:05 PM
Every team goes in fouling TFC like crazy getting a yellow only after multiple fouls and denying a scoring chance. TFC uis getting yellows for complaining to Refs and reds for retaliating. Also how many VAR decisions have gone our way? I cant remember any, they keep reversing TFC but don't bother reviewing when a call against TFC was missed. So much frustration this season its no fun at all.

SirBobSaget
05-12-2018, 11:19 PM
TFC absolutely dominated when Bradley was moved to DM. Bez totally screwed up when he didnt reinforce the defense properly when all the injuries went down. Its not like we were waiting for key players to get healthy it was replacement to low paid Zavaleta and Hagglund. Hernandez is a bad signing he is steps behind and cant deal with long balls. The CB situation is tanking the season so far. If he would have grabbed a ready to go backup CB from another team the last 4 games would have been different.

PAOK17
05-12-2018, 11:27 PM
Moral of the story is don't be a little prick.

Giovinco needs an attitude adjustment. As do all the whiny "professional players".
But why should that be the case? Everyone seems to hate him because he whines. But why does he whine? The man gets kicked at, pulled at, chopped, etc, and does not get the calls. We keep saying society should be just and fair. But if it's not just, heaven forbid you call out an injustice. Now you're a whiner. Just look down, and do what you're told. Sounds a lot like a fascist and/or a communist regime than the democratic society we keep championing.

And so because he's a whiner, the rules get to be applied to him differently? Just because your neighbour can be a prick, doesn't mean he should get a 5 year sentence for going 10 over the speed limit.

stevep
05-12-2018, 11:44 PM
Moral of the story is don't be a little prick.

Giovinco needs an attitude adjustment. As do all the whiny "professional players".

if he leaves for Europe TFC is finished in terms of winning any championships in the future
they will still be above average but will never be the best again

Hamilton_Red
05-13-2018, 12:01 AM
if he leaves for Europe TFC is finished in terms of winning any championships in the future
they will still be above average but will never be the best again

Disagree with this..Giovinco can be replaced easier than Bradley as long as we spent similar kind of money. That being said - Gio has got hungrier and has a lot left to offer. I like the fact that he wants a contract extension and has turned it up. We saw how much the tide shifted when Mavinga..Gio and Victor came on. We are going to have a great second half. Likely won't win the Supporters Shield - but we'll make the playoffs and have a good run. I for one would be perfectly happy with a West Coast MLS Cup Final this year.

JohnnyEnglish
05-13-2018, 12:23 AM
Moral of the story is don't be a little prick.

Giovinco needs an attitude adjustment. As do all the whiny "professional players".

Star player no doubt, but His petulant behavior cost the team. Not the first time he has crossed the line and hopefully Vanney addresses this behind the scenes.

Time to get our heads down and start winning football matches. Not surrounding referees and making excuses.

Fort York Redcoat
05-13-2018, 06:59 AM
I miss last year so far we are performing fairly poorly; dont play CCL next year if miraculously we qualify; so frustrating

Um no thank you. Watching other teams play Champions league was far more frustrating.

Bad day at the office. There will be plenty more.

Blkndkr
05-13-2018, 07:29 AM
Was there last night, can confirm.
This stadium and crowd suck. How does NE still have a team

Blkndkr
05-13-2018, 07:41 AM
“Aketxe and vdw were a mistake”?

Aketxe, maybe but to early to say definitely. But vdw? Huh? He has been great at CB. Not sure what games you’ve been watching. His calm composure on the ball and passing are top notch.


We really are starting to look like Portland two seasons back. Going from Champions to failing to qualify for the playoffs. That is becoming a serious possibility if we don’t turn this around quickly and decisively.

Weare in danger of trading the title of the best team in MLS history to a team who achieved the best season in MLS history. In other words instead of being seen as a dynasty we will become known as a one hit wonder. In reality we should be well on the road to dynasty status already with 2MLS Cups and a CCL Trophy in the books. Instead our inability to score when dominating opponents caused us to fall short on two occasions.

We frittered away money this summer on positions that weren’t problematic. Instead of signing Van Der Weil and Auro we should have stuck with Beitashour and Hasler, using the money, plus the Aketxe fee on a quality striker instead to give both a challenge and some respite to Séba and Jozy. Instead, Vanney in his wisdom thought Ricketts, Hamilton, and Spencer were good enough. In truth all three are TFC II level.

I really worry we will be unable to turn this current situation around in time given a third of the season is gone and it looks like we’ll end the day 11 points off a playoff spot (NYRB are 1 up) and 15 behind the conference leaders. We need a clean out of the dross and serious investment in a striker and back up to Vazquez in the summer transfer window, because as talented as he is, he appears to be made of glass when it comes to injuries. We need to realize players like Delgado and Osorio are journeymen and not superstars who can turn a game. We need to acknowledge Aketxe and VDW were a mistake. IMHO Hasler offers more than Auro, and Beitashour more than both. Perhaps most importantly we need to acknowledge our much lauded depth is nothing but a myth as Ricketts, Hamilton, Spencer, Telfour Fraser, etc, are not replacement in kind for our first team squad.

Finally, We cannot make the same mistake next season by prioritizing CCL at the expense of MLS. The competition is skewed in favour of Mexican clubs with its timing and the cost has been too high a price to pay even if we had won it.

I really hope we can turn this season around and reclaim our title, going on to build the dynasty everyone believes we should be. We can start by locking down Séba with the contract he desires, followed by finding a player who will compete with him for a starting spot whilst providing back up for Altidore’s inevitable absences thru injury. We should then do the same with Bradley giving him a deal that will keep him with the club until retirement. We have never had players of their level before and should keep them as long as we can. Do this and we will have a quality spine to build around for the foreseeable future

RichieRich
05-13-2018, 07:54 AM
But why should that be the case? Everyone seems to hate him because he whines. But why does he whine? The man gets kicked at, pulled at, chopped, etc, and does not get the calls.

It's not that he only complains when he gets chopped down, he complains on every... single... pass or misstep from his team mates. He has to realize that a team is made up of stars, journeymen, and rookies and that not every pass is going to end up exactly how he wants it. Also there was a time where he was going down when someone came near him or breathed on him and he would get the calls but that stopped being the case mid-way through last year. Now, legitimate infractions are not getting called. Whatever the case, I think someone has to speak to him and tell him to cool it.

Regarding the whole "hand to the face" thing...
- The referee looked at the video for about two seconds before whipping around and producing the red card. That bothered me.
- That being said Giovinco put his hand to the face in a threatening manner so although I don't believe it was red card worthy it was "something"
- I was impressed and appreciate that Zahibo didn't flop to the ground. If he did it may not have added up to anything.

Aketxe was directly or indirectly responsible for all three goals. If it was one game fine, but he has failed to impress repeatedly this season.

Ricketts, Hamilton, etc, these guys are good and happy to sub in with 5 minutes left in a game. When they are starting we are more than likely going to lose the game. There is no touch or finish, just garbage goals here and there.

We have been unlucky with injuries and they seem to be more of the variety of "strains", etc, rather than that of a play or tackle so maybe the doctors or conditioning staff should be looked at. Yes we played more games as a result of CCL but at the same time there's a responsibility of staff to say "this guy shouldn't be playing today".

Anyway I am still hopeful we can squeak into the playoffs but we are on the clock folks.

buddies
05-13-2018, 09:33 AM
What seems lost in this giovinco red card is how did the NE player get off with no punishment? ... Trying to knock the ball away for no reason whatsoever was unsportsmanlike conduct. Giovinco turned around and went towards him but my take on the hand to face was self defence because if you look at the video again and put yourself in Giovinco's shoes ... what is he supposed to do when someone big, muscular and two feet taller than him is coming towards him? The hand to face was the only thing that stopped his advances and then he went into full Jozy Flop mode with his reaction. There was no violence in Giovinco's hand to face. You could tell by his emotions. He immediately headed away with a clear head. I think an appeal is worth it. Chances are it'll fail but definitely worth it ... and the NE player should have been given at least a yellow for his role in all of this.

portu
05-13-2018, 09:40 AM
“Aketxe and vdw were a mistake”?

Aketxe, maybe but to early to say definitely. But vdw? Huh? He has been great at CB. Not sure what games you’ve been watching. His calm composure on the ball and passing are top notch.

If you sign a player to play a certain position or role and he fails to do that to the standard you would expect, that is a poor signing.

VDW was a poor signing imo. He was signed to play right back, but now he is playing centreback and even if we had all of our centrebacks healthy I would still start Auro over him.

Just because a player ends up playing well in the end, doesn't necessarily mean it was a good signing. Giovinco is the perfect example. I give very little credit to the FO on that signing because he was very clearly signed by management to play as a 10 and never panned out in that position.

ensco
05-13-2018, 10:04 AM
Signings are only mistakes if you can’t get off them.

Perquis and Kantari were swings of the bat that didn’t work. I assume that both Aketxe or vdW can also be moved if needed. Not that I am rooting for that.

ag futbol
05-13-2018, 10:25 AM
Well obviously we played CCL and lot of the injuries were caused by travel fatigue and all the extra games we didnt have a strong enough plan to prevent these injuries so i have to believe CCL for us was what caused this extremely poor start
I think it would be naive to suggest it doesn’t have at least something to do with it. We ended the season later and started sooner than most other MLS CCL teams. We also played a tougher schedule to get to the finals than any other MLS teams in history.

That said, we have some guys who have a history of injuries and that appears to be biting us hard. Maybe it’s time to start thinking about a younger, more durable, CB to put in the rotation.

portu
05-13-2018, 11:00 AM
Signings are only mistakes if you can’t get off them.

Perquis and Kantari were swings of the bat that didn’t work. I assume that both Aketxe or vdW can also be moved if needed. Not that I am rooting for that.
Kantari and Perquis were both not mistakes then, though. Perquis was moved to Nottingham and Kantari was bought out (without hitting the cap).

InDa_110
05-13-2018, 11:13 AM
Disagree with this..Giovinco can be replaced easier than Bradley as long as we spent similar kind of money. That being said - Gio has got hungrier and has a lot left to offer. I like the fact that he wants a contract extension and has turned it up. We saw how much the tide shifted when Mavinga..Gio and Victor came on. We are going to have a great second half. Likely won't win the Supporters Shield - but we'll make the playoffs and have a good run. I for one would be perfectly happy with a West Coast MLS Cup Final this year.

Giovinco can be easily replaced?

:facepalm: got it.

portu
05-13-2018, 11:18 AM
Giovinco can be easily replaced?

:facepalm: got it.
As Hamilton_Red said it's about the money we spend. If we try to replace Giovinco with a lesser budget it won't work, but same or more then it's possible.

ag futbol
05-13-2018, 11:54 AM
Moral of the story is don't be a little prick.

Giovinco needs an attitude adjustment. As do all the whiny "professional players".
If they were calling persistent infringement in this league properly he’d be drawing 3 yellows a game. Any time he gets the ball within 30 yards other teams have decided they’d rather hack him down than let him play.

I’m not as upset about the fraction of the calls not made as I am about the fact the officials are blind to him being targeted continuously.

FootBallAZ
05-13-2018, 03:01 PM
Odds on Seba getting two yellows is quite high I'd say

Referee: Mark Geiger

pretty much wish this happened.
The whole context of things why would the ref think after seba scores he would want to waste time and get sent off while TFC clearly had momentum. The refs have become a lot more noticeable lately which isn't good.

TFC scored a goal,7minutes to review the video.
Chapman's shot goes off on Seattle, goal kick no review.
The two times tfc cried for reviews they get it and it was like 1.5 seconds. I still question how the ref walked to the video and turned around and made his call.

The game vs Chicago ref had his hand in the ear piece like he was taking direction.

The positive is even with our shotty backline having mavinga,gio, Vazquez turned the momentum of the game.
In my opinion out midfield needs to be upgraded .
I like Chapman missed shot that no one would be oblivious to the red card or nay not have happened in a 3-3 draw.

The Delgado miss in the finals. If that shot connects a lot of the narrative and lost faith would probably be the other way around.

I have faith, the refs are terrible over the last 4 games with VAR. Best ref we had was in champions league @ tigres.

General Woolfe
05-13-2018, 03:31 PM
“Aketxe and vdw were a mistake”?

Aketxe, maybe but to early to say definitely. But vdw? Huh? He has been great at CB. Not sure what games you’ve been watching. His calm composure on the ball and passing are top notch.
I think you’re missing my point. It was a mistake investing in Aketxe and VDW when we could have kept Beitashour and used Hasler as back up at RB and midfield and used the money spent on VDW & Aketxe on a quality striker. That’s what I meant by VDW being a mistake. The money could have been better spent elsewhere. Now we have 3 Rightbacks but no quality replacement strikers to Séba and Jozy. Given VDWs salary we probably don’t have the budget space to bring one in now either. Ricketts, Hamilton & Spencer just don’t cut it for me. They are TFC II level players. You might get away bringing them on for the last 15 minutes now and again but no way are they good enough to be starters

We should have stuck with Beitashour for another season keeping a winning side together as long as possible, and with Hasler we had a perfectly capable back up. There was no need to spend on VDW or Auro for that matter.

SoccMan2
05-13-2018, 04:28 PM
I think you’re missing my point. It was a mistake investing in Aketxe and VDW when we could have kept Beitashour and used Hasler as back up at RB and midfield and used the money spent on VDW & Aketxe on a quality striker. That’s what I meant by VDW being a mistake. The money could have been better spent elsewhere. Now we have 3 Rightbacks but no quality replacement strikers to Séba and Jozy. Given VDWs salary we probably don’t have the budget space to bring one in now either. Ricketts, Hamilton & Spencer just don’t cut it for me. They are TFC II level players. You might get away bringing them on for the last 15 minutes now and again but no way are they good enough to be starters

We should have stuck with Beitashour for another season keeping a winning side together as long as possible, and with Hasler we had a perfectly capable back up. There was no need to spend on VDW or Auro for that matter.
Totally agree there was no need to let go of Beitashour should have kept all of the MLS winning team together for just one more year at least, if it ain’t broken no need to bloody fix!

DinamoTFC
05-13-2018, 07:35 PM
VdW is better than beita and takes up 100k less of a salary cap hit.

I love beita but this move makes incredible sense. The fact vdw is coming up huge as a centre back proves this could be a lethal partnership with mavinga. Should more centre backs get healthy vdw is a very solid right full back pushing auro to right wing.

ag futbol
05-13-2018, 08:35 PM
^ we haven’t seen the best of VDW yet. The only games he played at RB he wasn’t near full fitness. When he is there and we have a first choice backline with Morrow on the left this team looks much different.

Now if someone wanted to make the argument a 3rd quality striker / super sub has more of an impact than a RB does, i wouldn’t entirely disagree.

Look at it this way, what’s deterring the performance of this team more right now: the fact Morgan plays in place of Morrow when injured or that Altidore turns into Ricketts / Hamilton?

Oldtimer
05-13-2018, 09:05 PM
Totally agree there was no need to let go of Beitashour should have kept all of the MLS winning team together for just one more year at least, if it ain’t broken no need to bloody fix!

We couldn't keep Beitashour, we were hard up against the cap once everyone got their winning bonuses. We needed that 100k space.

InDa_110
05-13-2018, 09:19 PM
As Hamilton_Red said it's about the money we spend. If we try to replace Giovinco with a lesser budget it won't work, but same or more then it's possible.
Best player in MLS history can possibly be replaced by spending the same or more? Right! Just out of curiosity, why then does every MLS team not have almost 100 goals scored, countless assists, and basically a franchise saving player with their DP slots / $?

Hamilton_Red
05-13-2018, 11:01 PM
Look... let's get off the "best team in MLS history" "best player in MLS history" thing...it is a nonsense. Until we have a run of MLS Cup and SS wins...we have had one good..no great season. Other teams have had several years of winning. Giovinco is not even the best player to have played for TFC. Derosario won 4 MLS Cups...4...when Giovinco has 4 Cups let's have a discussion about it.

That being said he is a great player and we are lucky to have him. But the best player in MLS history doesn't get sent off for a stupid petulant play...when he has a chance to score the equalizer in the last few minutes. The best player in MLS history scores that goal.

portu
05-14-2018, 03:07 AM
Best player in MLS history can possibly be replaced by spending the same or more? Right! Just out of curiosity, why then does every MLS team not have almost 100 goals scored, countless assists, and basically a franchise saving player with their DP slots / $?

Every MLS team doesn't have that because they're not willing to spend (and when they do spend that much they don't necessarily do it with performance in mind as in Kaka's case). Giovinco is the highest paid player in the league. To be fair though I think Carlos Vela, Villa and Valeri all have a similar if not more significant impact than Seba and are on lesser salary.

TFC Tifoso
05-14-2018, 08:28 AM
Ager is clearly talented, to say otherwise is totally unfair, but to claim he doesn't fit the side or hasn't performed well on the whole compared to his contract is very very valid.


Mostly agree. He has talent. I thought he played quite well last week with Vasquez. I still think that he could work out, but I'll admit it's getting worrying.

That second goal tonight is all him IMO, but to put all the blame on him for the first is harsh.

Aketxe has skill, but he plays with ZERO urgency and seems a bit lazy.....2 things that absolutely do NOT fit in with the make up of this team....

This team needs to start getting some W's....

TomLawrence
05-14-2018, 08:40 AM
Look... let's get off the "best team in MLS history" "best player in MLS history" thing...it is a nonsense. Until we have a run of MLS Cup and SS wins...we have had one good..no great season. Other teams have had several years of winning. Giovinco is not even the best player to have played for TFC. Derosario won 4 MLS Cups...4...when Giovinco has 4 Cups let's have a discussion about it.

That being said he is a great player and we are lucky to have him. But the best player in MLS history doesn't get sent off for a stupid petulant play...when he has a chance to score the equalizer in the last few minutes. The best player in MLS history scores that goal.
What a ridiculous way to judge a player. Giovinco is easily better than DeRosario.

Blkndkr
05-14-2018, 09:12 AM
This, exactly.
VdW is better than beita and takes up 100k less of a salary cap hit.

I love beita but this move makes incredible sense. The fact vdw is coming up huge as a centre back proves this could be a lethal partnership with mavinga. Should more centre backs get healthy vdw is a very solid right full back pushing auro to right wing.

Oldtimer
05-14-2018, 11:16 AM
What a ridiculous way to judge a player. Giovinco is easily better than DeRosario.

Number of MLS Cups (in MLS 1.0, no less) vs having played for the Italian National Team? Playing for a good MLS side vs playing for Juventus? As much as I respect DeRo, Giovinco is another level from DeRo.

Auzzy
05-14-2018, 05:41 PM
It's been a while since we had a good DeRo-themed smash up!

Fort York Redcoat
05-14-2018, 06:12 PM
I think you’re missing my point. It was a mistake investing in Aketxe and VDW when we could have kept Beitashour and used Hasler as back up at RB and midfield and used the money spent on VDW & Aketxe on a quality striker. That’s what I meant by VDW being a mistake. The money could have been better spent elsewhere. Now we have 3 Rightbacks but no quality replacement strikers to Séba and Jozy. Given VDWs salary we probably don’t have the budget space to bring one in now either. Ricketts, Hamilton & Spencer just don’t cut it for me. They are TFC II level players. You might get away bringing them on for the last 15 minutes now and again but no way are they good enough to be starters

We should have stuck with Beitashour for another season keeping a winning side together as long as possible, and with Hasler we had a perfectly capable back up. There was no need to spend on VDW or Auro for that matter.

I would not want to see who would take a big paycheque to wait behind Seba and Jozy on the striker depth chart.

ag futbol
05-14-2018, 06:51 PM
I would not want to see who would take a big paycheque to wait behind Seba and Jozy on the striker depth chart.
Why not? Atlanta has a guy who would start on most teams taking spot number 3.

And look in general at how many open games are available when one or both these guys are unavailable. There’s a good opportunity there.

Canary10
05-15-2018, 08:52 AM
It's been a while since we had a good DeRo-themed smash up!

Depending on Seba's new contract status, wondering if we will get to do a direct cheque writing comparison?

portu
05-15-2018, 09:59 AM
Why not? Atlanta has a guy who would start on most teams taking spot number 3.

And look in general at how many open games are available when one or both these guys are unavailable. There’s a good opportunity there.
I've always thought the ideal situation is what Seattle had a few years ago with Dempsey, Martins and then Eddie Johnson as the third option (obviously minus Eddie Johnson throwing a fit over playing time/money or whatever)

TFC Tifoso
05-15-2018, 01:38 PM
I've always thought the ideal situation is what Seattle had a few years ago with Dempsey, Martins and then Eddie Johnson as the third option (obviously minus Eddie Johnson throwing a fit over playing time/money or whatever)

but this is exactly the problem with that kind of set up.

one guy is going to be the odd man out, usually wrongly so in that person's eyes, and it disrupts the team.....any player who feels that they deserve to be in the Starting XI will be pissed off if not.

does a guy like Hamilton or Ricketts WANT to be in the Starting XI week in and out...sure.
but since there is a CLEAR pecking order at striker on this team, they also know their role.....

ag futbol
05-15-2018, 03:04 PM
That’s just a matter of managing expectations. Either Seattle didn’t do a good job of that or EJ is a head case (or both).

Avoidable problems, those.

ensco
05-15-2018, 04:09 PM
^You don't have to look anywhere else to see the problem.

Herculez Gomez was very unhappy here in that role.

ag futbol
05-16-2018, 08:10 AM
And so nobody in world football stocks a 3rd striker of quality because it’s bound to cause issues? Sounds myopic

shwade
05-16-2018, 10:13 AM
And so nobody in world football stocks a 3rd striker of quality because it’s bound to cause issues? Sounds myopic

Nah we aren't considered world football enough to have a third string striker who would start on every other team on MLS.

ag futbol
05-16-2018, 12:35 PM
Nah we aren't considered world football enough to have a third string striker who would start on every other team on MLS.
I would like a substitute striker as good as the better ones in this league.. how’s that?

But even if we don’t go that far, how about at least an average, proven player who can bang in goals with more regularity and contribute when he’s not in front of the net?

OgtheDim
05-16-2018, 01:48 PM
Most MLS 3rd strikers do around 5 goals a year.

ag futbol
05-16-2018, 02:08 PM
Most MLS 3rd strikers do around 5 goals a year.
And most don’t have the benefit of as strong a team behind them as ours. We should see more production. But just as much, my contention is about what happens when these guys are not in front of net, particularly Ricketts.

Hold up play is non existent and performances are anonymous. We need a reference point, first and foremost.

Oldtimer
05-16-2018, 04:38 PM
Nah we aren't considered world football enough to have a third string striker who would start on every other team on MLS.

A reminder that Giovinco was unhappy being backup at Juventus, which is about as "world football" as one can get. Players want to play, and those who know that they have the talent to start elsewhere won't be happy.

shwade
05-16-2018, 06:02 PM
A reminder that Giovinco was unhappy being backup at Juventus, which is about as "world football" as one can get. Players want to play, and those who know that they have the talent to start elsewhere won't be happy.

Yes.