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Oldtimer
01-11-2018, 07:39 PM
Much appreciation for the service of one of the truly classy players out there. I hope he has good success (except when he plays TFC).

tfcfans
01-11-2018, 07:45 PM
I literally just said "how come there is no "Beita" appreciation thread?" --- glad it's up now.....I understand that the salary numbers game was a big part of this (and not performance per se) and that some turnover is natural from year to year..... but he will be missed both on and off the field by many in and around this organization....good like Beita! - you are forever a Champion in our hearts, and will get a standing ovation from me upon your return....:scarf:

AlanO
01-11-2018, 07:47 PM
Beitashour almost died for the club. Literally.

His comeback from that horrific tackle in the VCup was amazing.

Best of luck to him, and thanks for everything he did for TFC.

T.O TILL I DIE
01-11-2018, 07:48 PM
Ya he was good .. even though he'd rather leave Toronto for more money so meh just another in and out player.

RealG-TFC
01-11-2018, 08:09 PM
Had the assist on the great Cheyrou goal of 2016!

ensco
01-11-2018, 09:39 PM
A crafty player. He has amazing 1 on 1 defending skills. He has an ability to recover even when his man gets a step on him.

I hope he is getting a ton of dough from LAFC, he deserves it.

I will root for him even when he plays us. I feel that way about every core contributor on the 2016-2017 team.

OgtheDim
01-11-2018, 10:04 PM
And exactly how we all would have drawn it up before this game....a 95th minute go ahead goal - Beitashour to Cheyrou


https://www.theglobeandmail.com/resizer/LyguGrimsdObb3SQ6QmeyI2Jnu0=/1200x0/filters:quality(80)/arc-anglerfish-tgam-prod-tgam.s3.amazonaws.com/public/3JOPHL6L7NCPROWPMV4KBBTPIU

TFC Tifoso
01-12-2018, 08:38 AM
I was real happy the day we got him because it was exactly what I felt the team needed at the time....a veteran presence to help shore up our D, who was also very competent in attack.
And he was just what I hoped.

Hate to see us losing starting members of our legendary G.O.A.T. team, but it was inevitable.
Good Luck in LA, Beita!

djking2
01-12-2018, 08:53 AM
A crafty player. He has amazing 1 on 1 defending skills. He has an ability to recover even when his man gets a step on him.

I hope he is getting a ton of dough from LAFC, he deserves it.

I will root for him even when he plays us. I feel that way about every core contributor on the 2016-2017 team.

But he won't Free agents get 10 percent max raise

BendItLikeGio
01-12-2018, 08:59 AM
Mini Tifo for sure for Beita on Sept1. Just mentioning it out there

Areathrasher
01-12-2018, 09:30 AM
Ya he was good .. even though he'd rather leave Toronto for more money so meh just another in and out player.

Well within his rights to if he's been made an offer less than his previous deal.

molenshtain
01-12-2018, 10:21 AM
But he won't Free agents get 10 percent max raise

10 percent raise still puts him within an earshot of being the best paid RB in the league, A Graham Zusi notwithstanding.

I love Beita. The same way I love every player who has been on the team the last two years. Each of them in their own special way, for different, specific reasons. He will hold a place in my heart for his work rate and professionalism, Not to mention The Cross against MTL and his coming back from almost dying on the field to being a big contributor to a shutdown defence that won us the Cup.

Whoever we bring in to replace him will have big shoes to fill. Cheers to Beita for all the memories. Hope he kills it in all future endevours.

BendItLikeGio
01-12-2018, 10:34 AM
The team offered much less than his previous contract. He actually wanted to say, know him personally and he was pretty disappointed.


Ya he was good .. even though he'd rather leave Toronto for more money so meh just another in and out player.

jabbronies
01-12-2018, 10:47 AM
This guy was a part of some very key moments in TFC History - and he's a fucking RB!

That cross to Cheyrou against MTL in last years conference final! Breaking his pancreas in the NCC and still finishing the match. (I just realizes those are both against MTL - so he is officially an Impact killer)

I was a bit suspect of his game at first but the past two years he's really solidified his game - man it's a huge loss and big shoes to fill for sure.

Canary10
01-12-2018, 11:36 AM
All the best to him. He's a legend now, as everyone on the 2017 TFC now is. Hope to see his name permanently on the hall of fame wall (or whatever they're calling it). Everyone on that team should be there.

Jack
01-12-2018, 11:48 AM
It sucks to lose him and it's a big hole to fill. I hope he has success in LA, but not as much success as he had here g:D

Detroit_TFC
01-12-2018, 01:07 PM
Beitashour almost died for the club. Literally.

His comeback from that horrific tackle in the VCup was amazing.

Best of luck to him, and thanks for everything he did for TFC.

Hard to add to this, says it all IMO.

Detroit_TFC
01-12-2018, 01:10 PM
As an aside, glad a veteran player like him has more options with the limited free agency, such as it is. That is all.

Initial B
01-12-2018, 01:44 PM
He gave his Pancreas for the team. That's all we need to know. A warrior and a gentleman, I wish him all the best in LA, except when he plays TFC.

SoccMan2
01-12-2018, 10:05 PM
This guy was the real deal a big part of this championship winning team I think he deserved at least one more year here. He is leaving a champion and a legend and will be missed let's hope they can bring someone that fits right in and that does not disrupt the amazing chemistry this team had this year, all the best to you sir.

JuliquE
01-13-2018, 10:16 PM
I will root for him even when he plays us. I feel that way about every core contributor on the 2016-2017 team.
This guy will NOT be 1-upped! lol

** * **

What happened to him in wake of that agricultural challenge put things in perspective, to be sure—never would I have been hoping he'd play out the match… but, he did.

About as balanced a defender as they come, and the man offered so much more intangibles. Something about "big shoes."

Thank you for all you gave. Just as I'm sure you'll never forget your time in Toronto, so to shall we always remember you.

Blindside16
01-16-2018, 04:55 AM
Thank you Beita for your service and all the best in LA.

Fort York Redcoat
01-16-2018, 04:57 PM
I was real happy the day we got him because it was exactly what I felt the team needed at the time....a veteran presence to help shore up our D, who was also very competent in attack.
And he was just what I hoped.

Hate to see us losing starting members of our legendary G.O.A.T. team, but it was inevitable.
Good Luck in LA, Beita!

After Feb 2 of course. Only MLS side we face in Pre season is his new team at UCLA.

Thanks for your service and thanks for coming by the RPB section, Beita!

TFC Tifoso
01-17-2018, 11:50 AM
After Feb 2 of course. Only MLS side we face in Pre season is his new team at UCLA.

Thanks for your service and thanks for coming by the RPB section, Beita!

yes, of course after Feb. 2......and also whenever we meet LAFC!

nonc
01-18-2018, 09:58 AM
Why did Whitecaps trade Beitashour to us for a 2nd round superdraft pick? They got fleeced.

JuliquE
01-18-2018, 12:00 PM
Why did Whitecaps trade Beitashour to us for a 2nd round superdraft pick? They got fleeced.
Same reason we're losing him on a free: up against the cap.

TrebleMaker
01-23-2018, 03:16 PM
Always made time for the fans, a true gentleman!! That standing ovation he received in his 1st game back from that pancreas injury gave chills. All the best in LA and thank you for the memories!!

MightyDM
01-23-2018, 10:01 PM
Beitashour almost died for the club. Literally.

His comeback from that horrific tackle in the VCup was amazing.

Best of luck to him, and thanks for everything he did for TFC.

Absolutely.

ensco
01-23-2018, 10:17 PM
Why did Whitecaps trade Beitashour to us for a 2nd round superdraft pick? They got fleeced.

They thought they could replace him with this guy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Smith_(Costa_Rican_footballer)

They were misinformed.

ChrisFizik
01-24-2018, 08:56 PM
https://i.imgur.com/MouzIsMl.jpg



Forever a part of the epic campaign,
and we'll always have this memory. Good luck Beita!

oldtraffordPEI
01-29-2018, 04:01 PM
https://theathletic.com/225258/2018/01/29/beitashour-left-bitter-insulted-after-toronto-fcs-proposed-pay-cut/


Beitashour said the club indeed offered him a contract, but felt “insulted” when they asked him to take a pay cut.“I don’t know if you can justify anyone on our team to take a pay cut that’s a regular starter,” Beitashour told The Athletic. “Especially when guys are getting pretty big pay raises, so if everyone’s getting pay increases and your (contract) is the only one not, there’s something fishy about it.”
“If I knew guys were strapped up for money and multiple guys were like ‘Hey we’re just making the same amount, we’re not getting any increase or maybe we’re taking a little bit of a cut, and we’re all in it together,”’ I would’ve said, “Hell yeah, I’m in it together too.’ But when you’re the only one singled out, it’s a little tough to swallow and it hurts a little bit.”
Beitashour said he went to club management before the season ended to express his desire to stay with TFC. He said he would have accepted a one or two-year contract and was looking for a “tiny little increase.”
“And now your manager comes to tell you that you have to take a pay cut, but all your colleagues are getting raises,” said Beitashour. “How would you feel about that?”
TFC GM Tim Bezbatchenko said the club was “fairly close” in negotiations with Beitashour.
“We had a hard line number in terms of what we were capable of bringing him back on, in terms of position, age, experience and just where we’re at with our roster. Unfortunately there’s obviously different budgetary limitations on the other club’s side in terms of LAFC. That’s the reality of the situation with Steven,” said Bezbatchenko.
At the end of the season, his option was declined by the team.
“So I don’t get it,” said Beitashour of constantly being moved despite consistently strong seasons. “It’s not like I didn’t play, not like I was 18 and not dressing. I’m your starter. I’m getting called up to the U.S. men’s national team, called up to Iran national team. I don’t get it, maybe I’m crazy.”
“It is frustrating, because I felt like we had a true family bond on that team and guys were always putting in the work, always competing every weekend so I’m going to miss that aspect of it,” said Beitashour. “It’s tough leaving the best team in league history.”

Canary10
01-29-2018, 04:07 PM
^ That really sucks. The irony is he is being replaced by someone more expensive, but will "cost" less on the budget charge because of the TAM rules (someone can correct me if I'm wrong about that). This is where all the league's various rules and pseudo money (GAM, TAM) make no sense.

TFC Tifoso
01-29-2018, 04:13 PM
I'm not gonna be too tough on Bez....or Beita, for that matter, on this one.

Fact is that with the season we've had, raises for many were likely to be in the cards....and considering the circumstances with the cap and all, the person I'd be most reluctant to offer a raise to is a 33 year old, who with a bit of work, could have a replacement found (like Bez has seemingly done, at a lower cap hit to boot).
Beita is/was a casualty of our success.....happens to every great team.
And he was in a tough spot too....too good/experienced to to be considered a value signing, but not good enough to be worth buying down with any type of allocation.

molenshtain
01-29-2018, 04:54 PM
Well, Moor and Cheyrou were two very notable veterans who've taken multiple pay cuts between them to stay. Pretty sure Altidore took a cut at one point too. I don't think they drilled that in too him very hard.

I suspect they didn't try very hard to bring him back. They had a number they'd be comfortable with for him but if he didn't accept it they were perfectly okay with going the route we've gone. Just unfortunate the Brass couldn't have explained the situation to him better.

notthesun
01-29-2018, 05:59 PM
^ That really sucks. The irony is he is being replaced by someone more expensive, but will "cost" less on the budget charge because of the TAM rules (someone can correct me if I'm wrong about that). This is where all the league's various rules and pseudo money (GAM, TAM) make no sense.

It depends how much TAM we use to buy down Van der Wiel and what his salary is, but yes it's very possible to swap Beitashour for Van der Wiel in this scenario and come out with more cap space.

It's understandable that Beitashour is upset, I won't hold it against him. It's just the reality of the league though. It's hard enough to keep your core intact year-after-year, never mind winning every competition and throwing out bonuses, which count against your cap, left and right. What this shows for me is how on top of things Bez is. Good teams get in trouble when they start handing out "reward" contracts to vets instead of focusing on future value and proper managing of resources. It sucks for Beitashour but the shoe had to drop somewhere. We had to do the same thing with Will Johnson last year, and it was obviously the right decision.

ensco
01-29-2018, 06:06 PM
I hate this part of sports.

There is is no good answer. Beita deserves better, but Bez has to move guys a year too early, not a year too late

Auzzy
01-29-2018, 06:10 PM
I'm really sad to see Beita go. You don't want to lose any players after a season like that. And everyone says that he's just one of the absolute nicest guys around.

At least it's good that MLS finally has some semblance of free agency for veterans like Beitashour. Many of us will remember that guys like him used to be in an even more frustrating situation.

And I fully expect Beitashour will score his first league goal since 2013 against TFC. It's just the way things work out.

Canary10
01-30-2018, 10:01 AM
MLS has created a lot of bad unintended consequences with all it's stupid pseudo money. How do you look Beita in the face after putting his body on the line in a treble-winning season and say we couldn't afford you, but we're going to bring in someone more expensive to replace you. Those are the situations this TAM BS brings up. Now the league is looking into mechanisms to pay younger kids more - the way Atlanta has been building. Why does the league incentivize one approach to build your team? It shouldn't have all these sub-categories of TAM and DPs. Give teams one broad mechanism and let them decide if they want to use it to bring in a young kid with star potential, or reward a long-serving player, or whatever.

Ok, end of rant.

TFC Tifoso
01-30-2018, 10:29 AM
MLS has created a lot of bad unintended consequences with all it's stupid pseudo money. How do you look Beita in the face after putting his body on the line in a treble-winning season and say we couldn't afford you, but we're going to bring in someone more expensive to replace you. Those are the situations this TAM BS brings up. Now the league is looking into mechanisms to pay younger kids more - the way Atlanta has been building. Why does the league incentivize one approach to build your team? It shouldn't have all these sub-categories of TAM and DPs. Give teams one broad mechanism and let them decide if they want to use it to bring in a young kid with star potential, or reward a long-serving player, or whatever.

Ok, end of rant.

Well its not like he CAN'T make what he's after.....its just that he won't be able to make it HERE.
And I think that might have more to do with us being close to the cap than anything else.
IMO, some onus has to be put on the player too.....he needs to decide if he wants to stick with a Championship team at maybe a equal or lesser contract, or test the market for the compensation he's after.
I mean, with the number of teams in MLS now, if a player is set on a certain value for his services, there is bound to be one willing to offer it....in Beita's case it happened.

Canary10
01-30-2018, 10:50 AM
Well its not like he CAN'T make what he's after.....its just that he won't be able to make it HERE.
And I think that might have more to do with us being close to the cap than anything else.
IMO, some onus has to be put on the player too.....he needs to decide if he wants to stick with a Championship team at maybe a equal or lesser contract, or test the market for the compensation he's after.
I mean, with the number of teams in MLS now, if a player is set on a certain value for his services, there is bound to be one willing to offer it....in Beita's case it happened.

The TAM rules mean we can sign Beita's replacement at likely a significantly higher cost, while we tell him we don't have the money not only for a small raise, but even to make what he earned last year. That's what the rules create. I'm not blaming TFC at all here, I just think MLS rules create unintended consequences, and this will just get worse as they add more categories, like whatever this young DP thing is going to be.

pdogg
01-30-2018, 11:00 AM
MLS has created a lot of bad unintended consequences with all it's stupid pseudo money. How do you look Beita in the face after putting his body on the line in a treble-winning season and say we couldn't afford you, but we're going to bring in someone more expensive to replace you. Those are the situations this TAM BS brings up. Now the league is looking into mechanisms to pay younger kids more - the way Atlanta has been building. Why does the league incentivize one approach to build your team? It shouldn't have all these sub-categories of TAM and DPs. Give teams one broad mechanism and let them decide if they want to use it to bring in a young kid with star potential, or reward a long-serving player, or whatever.

Ok, end of rant.

My take (which is mostly wrong, some of the time) - the league has a picture of what they want the makeup of the league to look like in terms of team and league demographics (age, skill, etc...). They want to get from point A (now) to point B (vision) as quickly as possible, so they throw out these incentives to try and prod the teams to get there quicker. You can't have the whole team be quality, but if you can outfit 1/2 or more of your starting 11 with these players via incentives, the league is farther ahead then before.

Look at what the league looked like before we had Gen Adidas and the DP rule. Without these incentives and programs, today we'd have a higher salary cap, but the same level of talent in the league. Adrian Cann, and Aaron Maund -esque players might be mainstays on any given team, making 300-450 as the pie got bigger, but the ingredients stayed the same. The DP was used oddly and sparingly at first because most didn't understand how to take advantage, but its much better now. Same with GA players who came into the league with decent salaries that didn't cost against the cap (think Frei).

Some teams are better at it then others and the league does some odd things sometimes, bending the rules when they *think* it will help the growth of the league as a whole. The expected outcomes and actual outcomes can very greatly (exhibit A - Max Urruti).

TFC Tifoso
01-30-2018, 12:05 PM
The TAM rules mean we can sign Beita's replacement at likely a significantly higher cost, while we tell him we don't have the money not only for a small raise, but even to make what he earned last year. That's what the rules create. I'm not blaming TFC at all here, I just think MLS rules create unintended consequences, and this will just get worse as they add more categories, like whatever this young DP thing is going to be.

Ya, I get all that, and I'd agree that the rules can result in unintended circumstances at times, and its also a product of a team's cap situation at the time. Unfortunately for Beita, we can't do both right now.
Business and planning wise TFC made the absolute right decision here, but throwing sentimentals into it would change it a bit, and I think Beita looked at it that way too.

I think the post below is actually pretty good...the league is doing these things because it wants to attract a certain type/demographic of player.
And while they won't be able to hold on to most of these guys for more than a few years, without these mechanisms for allocation money, MLS wouldn't have a shot at them.


My take (which is mostly wrong, some of the time) - the league has a picture of what they want the makeup of the league to look like in terms of team and league demographics (age, skill, etc...). They want to get from point A (now) to point B (vision) as quickly as possible, so they throw out these incentives to try and prod the teams to get there quicker. You can't have the whole team be quality, but if you can outfit 1/2 or more of your starting 11 with these players via incentives, the league is farther ahead then before.

Look at what the league looked like before we had Gen Adidas and the DP rule. Without these incentives and programs, today we'd have a higher salary cap, but the same level of talent in the league. Adrian Cann, and Aaron Maund -esque players might be mainstays on any given team, making 300-450 as the pie got bigger, but the ingredients stayed the same. The DP was used oddly and sparingly at first because most didn't understand how to take advantage, but its much better now. Same with GA players who came into the league with decent salaries that didn't cost against the cap (think Frei).

Some teams are better at it then others and the league does some odd things sometimes, bending the rules when they *think* it will help the growth of the league as a whole. The expected outcomes and actual outcomes can very greatly (exhibit A - Max Urruti).

TFC1154ever
01-30-2018, 12:17 PM
If I was the league, I would set a year in the future when they can go to a hard cap, with none of this TAM AND GAM garbage. I would say like 2025, so none of the contracts now will effect teams then. Make it 8-10 mill cap, with 3 DPS and 1 young DP that count 5 percent of cap for each you use. They need to aline with the other capped league in North America.

OgtheDim
01-30-2018, 12:22 PM
TAM & GAM is there so teams can choose to NOT go higher then the supposed cap and still look like they are maximising their options.

i.e. Makes the cheapskates look better.


Garber Bucks also provide a tradeable commodity, which is good for keeping interest in the offseason.