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OgtheDim
07-30-2017, 05:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkgoRtxzeHY


GIMME THE BRIDGE NOW!!

**********

Have At It People

James17930
07-30-2017, 07:35 PM
I hope our guys only play like 20 mins in the All-Star game.

Yohan
07-31-2017, 10:46 AM
DCU is bad. Like Mariner era TFC bad. Anything less than 3 points and I'm going to be annoyed. Seba also loves playing DCU.

Detroit_TFC
07-31-2017, 03:42 PM
Think Vanney runs out a B squad for this one?

molenshtain
07-31-2017, 03:53 PM
Think Vanney runs out a B squad for this one?

No way. we finally have pretty much the whole team fit so no reason to risk it and not go guns blazing.

Red CB Toronto
07-31-2017, 03:55 PM
Think Vanney runs out a B squad for this one?

I don't think so, it's not like there is a midweek game right before or after. Everyone has the week to recharge, reload especially coming off th high of Sunday. In my eyes this game has trap game written all over it and by sitting a bunch of starters you are playing into that notion.

OgtheDim
07-31-2017, 06:33 PM
I'm thinking we will rotate about half the squad.

Jozy might be on the bench due to the All Star game and his recent workload. Ricketts gets a game. Bradley and Seba won't sit until Christmas.

As for the rest, I suspect Cooper and Osorio will start this one - DCU is pretty narrow and giving them some minutes is going to be useful down the stretch.

We might see the Lichtensteiner. I'm also thinking Mavinga gets the day off for Hagglund.

James17930
08-01-2017, 11:56 AM
I'm thinking we will rotate about half the squad.

Jozy might be on the bench due to the All Star game and his recent workload. Ricketts gets a game. Bradley and Seba won't sit until Christmas.

As for the rest, I suspect Cooper and Osorio will start this one - DCU is pretty narrow and giving them some minutes is going to be useful down the stretch.

We might see the Lichtensteiner. I'm also thinking Mavinga gets the day off for Hagglund.

What's up with him anyway? Still trying to get up to fitness?

Auzzy
08-01-2017, 05:30 PM
What's up with him anyway? Still trying to get up to fitness?

Molinaro asked Vanney about Hasler, it's in his latest article: http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/tfc-toronto-fc-dc-united-mls-major-league-soccer-star-game-real-madrid/

Steve
08-02-2017, 07:54 AM
Think Vanney runs out a B squad for this one?
I don't know about that to be honest. I know we have a crazy deep team, and we have to keep rotating and getting people minutes to an extent, but at the same time at some point we're going to have to transition to a more first team focus as a run up to the playoffs to build on team chemistry to make sure we have the most in form starting 11 we can. I mean, I agree we will still have to be rotating, just not as much, especially since we should be done with the "12 games a week, oh and people are going to go on international break at the same time" part of the schedule.

TheGoodson
08-02-2017, 08:39 AM
IMO I think for the balance of the season we are going to be rotating players into the lineup to keep them all fresh and sharp for the playoffs...

But this game sooo feels like a trap game

Canary10
08-02-2017, 08:44 AM
I'm thinking we will rotate about half the squad.Jozy might be on the bench due to the All Star game and his recent workload. Ricketts gets a game. Bradley and Seba won't sit until Christmas.As for the rest, I suspect Cooper and Osorio will start this one - DCU is pretty narrow and giving them some minutes is going to be useful down the stretch. We might see the Lichtensteiner. I'm also thinking Mavinga gets the day off for Hagglund.Yeah that's what I think too. DC may even be rotating at this point, giving younger kids a shot as their season is done.

Oldtimer
08-02-2017, 09:20 AM
In my eyes this game has trap game written all over it and by sitting a bunch of starters you are playing into that notion.




But this game sooo feels like a trap game

You can practically see it. We may win but this game has "danger: trap game" written all over it.

Canary10
08-02-2017, 10:06 AM
It does have that trap feeling doesn't it. DC have lost 6 in a row. Hard to imagine in MLS that run of bad form continuing much longer. As long as we take it seriously...

OgtheDim
08-02-2017, 10:56 AM
I think this team was pissed off after Colorado and will demand of itself finishing off every single opponent.

There's something very European league about how this team is approaching opponents. No "lets get by and win in the playoffs" thinking. May or may not work in the long run with the crap shoot that is the playoffs but its different compared to most MLS teams.

Initial B
08-02-2017, 12:08 PM
I know TFC should win, but I keep thinking, "MLS will MLS." I'll be nervous until they're up two goals.

Derko
08-03-2017, 06:27 AM
First game with VAR up and running, I wonder what weird things will happen.

Graeme
08-03-2017, 08:14 AM
I think Vanney will go full strength for this. If Altidore is tired, sub him off around 60.

--------------------------Bono-------------------------
-------------Zavaleta---Moor----Mavinga------------
--Hagglund--------------------------------Morrow---
------Delgado-----Bradley-------Vasquez-----------
--------Giovinco-------Altidore-----------------------

(With Edwards & Chapman getting time after their recent games)

Prof
08-05-2017, 09:00 AM
I think Vanney will go full strength for this. If Altidore is tired, sub him off around 60.

--------------------------Bono-------------------------
-------------Zavaleta---Moor----Mavinga------------
--Hagglund--------------------------------Morrow---
------Delgado-----Bradley-------Vasquez-----------
--------Giovinco-------Altidore-----------------------

(With Edwards & Chapman getting time after their recent games)
I'd like to see the new guy at right wing back or Cooper.

TheSloanRanger
08-05-2017, 12:29 PM
Bono
Mav Moor Hag
Morrow Hasler
Edwards Bradley Vazquez
Jozy Gio

Edwards has proved he can reek havoc with pace. Can't get his performance away at NYC out of my head. Would love to see him bring more consistency.
Happy Long Weekend to all! Go Reds!

pdubs
08-05-2017, 05:17 PM
Hasler gets the start. Bono, Zavaleta, Moor, Mavinga, Hasler, Morrow, Delgado, Bradley, Vazquez, Altidore, Giovinco

Areathrasher
08-05-2017, 05:55 PM
If anyone has the sweet sweet sweet youtube stream, hit a brotha up

BeachTory
08-05-2017, 06:06 PM
the VPN inside Opera browser no longer allows me to use my mlslive account. what a waste

CBTFC
08-05-2017, 06:07 PM
Completely missed Sundays dominating performance, so been looking forward to taking in this game all week now.

C'mon you reds!

69Chevy396
08-05-2017, 06:08 PM
If anyone has the sweet sweet sweet youtube stream, hit a brotha up
I don't know how these guys find them using google or youtube search. I always end up chasing ads and empty sites. What is the secret?

TorCanSoc
08-05-2017, 06:18 PM
Cable.

...which I don't have.

PizzaEatingYeti
08-05-2017, 06:20 PM
I don't know how these guys find them using google or youtube search. I always end up chasing ads and empty sites. What is the secret?

If you see a link posted on that youtube channel's info text, don't even bother to open it.
For sure leads to a dummy "live streaming", which just wanna guide you to click on a link going to a site you need to pay whatever...

J-Man
08-05-2017, 06:21 PM
why are they showing cfl i don"t get tsn and there thinking sometimes.

khso11
08-05-2017, 06:21 PM
This one works, but very bad quality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9dIEuqP1FM

edit: nvm, the feed dropped

James17930
08-05-2017, 06:24 PM
Here's a non-Youtube one:

http://cdn.livetvcdn.net/webplayer.php?t=ifr&c=746479&lang=en&eid=549330&lid=746479&ci=64&si=1

pdubs
08-05-2017, 06:25 PM
We are being so lazy. DCU quicker.

Should be 1-0 DCU

PizzaEatingYeti
08-05-2017, 06:25 PM
fuck, we almost get scored on already

khso11
08-05-2017, 06:26 PM
I saw this goal coming, what is going on.

69Chevy396
08-05-2017, 06:27 PM
I refuse to pay $27 month for bell TSN....I only watch away tfc games on it...thanks for helping with streaming....one will work, eventually

pdubs
08-05-2017, 06:27 PM
And now 1-0. Complete complacency from TFC. No desire.

PizzaEatingYeti
08-05-2017, 06:27 PM
Absolutely horrible, TFC came out sleepwalking ....

FootBallAZ
08-05-2017, 06:27 PM
http://tuttosportweb.eu/ch3.html

Tdot_LFC
08-05-2017, 06:28 PM
Ffs. Sleeping. There was 6 minutes of warning that goal could come.

69Chevy396
08-05-2017, 06:30 PM
thanks

pdubs
08-05-2017, 06:31 PM
Hasler with a good cross in.

James17930
08-05-2017, 06:36 PM
The YouTube stream from before is working fine now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9dIEuqP1FM

James17930
08-05-2017, 06:40 PM
That field looks like a playground.

pdubs
08-05-2017, 06:49 PM
What a pass. Gio has to finish that

Auzzy
08-05-2017, 06:54 PM
the VPN inside Opera browser no longer allows me to use my mlslive account. what a waste

Tunnelbear is working for me.

PizzaEatingYeti
08-05-2017, 06:56 PM
If it's not 1-1 by the end of this half, I'm very worried about this game.

pdubs
08-05-2017, 06:59 PM
If it's not 1-1 by the end of this half, I'm very worried about this game.

We have enough quality to bag 3-4 goals a game. Just need to stop being cute out their and playing hot potato around their final third. We have the quality. Just need to deliver.

pdubs
08-05-2017, 07:04 PM
Red. Video review time.

tfcfans
08-05-2017, 07:04 PM
Here comes Video Review.....

Tdot_LFC
08-05-2017, 07:04 PM
A little harsh, the red I think.

pdubs
08-05-2017, 07:06 PM
Well now we have to win.

James17930
08-05-2017, 07:06 PM
Okay, NOW if we don't win it's shameful.

James17930
08-05-2017, 07:07 PM
A little harsh, the red I think.

Studs up, scissoring motion ... seems pretty red to me.

tfcfans
08-05-2017, 07:07 PM
We gave away 2 points to Colorado at home and now are up a man on the last place team --- even down a goal (and our history when up a man), we need to get three points tonight if we are serious about winning a Supporters Shield......

daner90
08-05-2017, 07:08 PM
This game is calling for Edwards...

pdubs
08-05-2017, 07:11 PM
This game is calling for Edwards...

Yep. He is fearless in attack. Need that spark.

PizzaEatingYeti
08-05-2017, 07:12 PM
If not down 1-0 after just 5 minutes, I would say we played mediocre.
But down so early, I say we played bad.

Vanney needs to make a lots of tactical changes.

Stop playing any more in the center of the attack in the 2nd half.
Stop looking for Seba every time closer than 24 m to the DC goal.
Bring in in Edwards ASAP!!!

PizzaEatingYeti
08-05-2017, 07:14 PM
We gave away 2 points to Colorado at home and now are up a man on the last place team --- even down a goal (and our history when up a man), we need to get three points tonight if we are serious about winning a Supporters Shield......

I'm just shaking my head...
After shitting the bed with one of the worst teams, we are ready to shit the bad even worst, now with THE worst team in the league, just the 2nd game after the other one?
WTF?

Eastend
08-05-2017, 07:24 PM
I'm just shaking my head...
After shitting the bed with one of the worst teams, we are ready to shit the bad even worst, now with THE worst team in the league, just the 2nd game after the other one?
WTF?

And manage to beat one of the better teams in the league 4-0 in between.

pdubs
08-05-2017, 07:30 PM
Man that was a bad own goal lol.

tfcfans
08-05-2017, 07:30 PM
Own goal!

Still Kicking
08-05-2017, 07:31 PM
What was that DC defender thinking????

Eastend
08-05-2017, 07:31 PM
We're owed a few from the last decade. I'll take it. Gotta be lucky to be good.

daner90
08-05-2017, 07:32 PM
Wow that was bad

Auzzy
08-05-2017, 07:36 PM
Red. Video review time.


Here comes Video Review.....

They don't have to officially review plays, even if it's a red or another reviewable play. There was enough time to react. I'm sure the video review official took a good look while people were milling about after the card was shown, and decided it looked like a good call.

Auzzy
08-05-2017, 07:39 PM
In defense of the DC player on the own goal, he just wanted to kick it out quickly with Giovinco right next to him, but ended up bouncing it off his teammate into the goal.

Too much cutesy passing around the ball by TFC in front of a packed DCU 18-yard box, throughout the whole game.

pdubs
08-05-2017, 07:40 PM
Hasler has good speed

Auzzy
08-05-2017, 07:46 PM
I also felt that Delgado should come off, but I would have put on Edwards first instead of Ricketts. Hopefully he proves me wrong.

TFC_4_Life
08-05-2017, 07:46 PM
This is the type of game where Cooper can have an impact. He is good at creating, and can change the dynamic of the attack.

Auzzy
08-05-2017, 07:50 PM
I hope that DC doesn't get a counter attacking goal with Zavaleta going out, they have the ability.

Auzzy
08-05-2017, 07:53 PM
DC pitch and stadium are so crappy.

Ugh who's going to score a goal today? We need another own goal from DCU.

pdubs
08-05-2017, 07:59 PM
Not to make excuses but I don't think one of our players have had a clean strike on the ball. Pitch is def a POS. Both teams have to play on it tho.

Eastend
08-05-2017, 08:04 PM
This is so painful.

PizzaEatingYeti
08-05-2017, 08:04 PM
This is not working guys...
We're losing again 2 points to a shit team.

Auzzy
08-05-2017, 08:07 PM
This is so painful.

Fucking crap you're right.

I know the field conditions are awful, but somebody should at least be able to take a decent long shot. Toronto players all look like their legs are made out of butter on the shots.

PizzaEatingYeti
08-05-2017, 08:08 PM
Everybody is extremely frustrated on TFC.
It is very evident to see.

Eastend
08-05-2017, 08:09 PM
Fucking crap you're right.

I know the field conditions are awful, but somebody should at least be able to take a decent long shot. Toronto players all look like their legs are made out of butter on the shots.

And nobody can put in a decent cross tonight. Just brutal. DC deserves the point.

Auzzy
08-05-2017, 08:09 PM
AAAAAARRRRgggggghhhhh!

Eastend
08-05-2017, 08:10 PM
Wow.

pdubs
08-05-2017, 08:11 PM
I am so disappointed. Not really angry tho. We were so sloppy in the first 5 mins. Just careless and complacent.

Full props to DCU tho. Battled hard. They wanted it more.

tfcfans
08-05-2017, 08:11 PM
Another wasted 2 points against a weak opponent and up a man for 50 minutes.....that game against Chicago looms even larger now....

Auzzy
08-05-2017, 08:12 PM
I really hope we don't have all the folks coming in and saying criticism isn't allowed because TFC has a great record overall. Yes they do. But if we want to do well in playoffs and elsewhere, we have to do better in games like that. Every team from here on will watch the tape from today. If they don't think they can outplay Toronto, they will play like DC tonight.

General Woolfe
08-05-2017, 08:12 PM
We really need to do much much better against sides like DC and Colorado. Tonight, It just wasnt our night. There's been too much fannying about with Internationals and this All Star shit recently for our key players. We need to regroup and get working together in training to orchestrate the final push to go all the way and win the big prize

Auzzy
08-05-2017, 08:16 PM
DC had much more spark on offense, they could easily have won that game especially w/o the red.

And for the life of me I don't understand why none of our players can put a decent shot on net from the top of the box (or just outside). The way to break down a team like that is with a really varied attack, from every angle & including some long shots.

Ricketts sub made no sense to me. He needs room and speed to operate. He can't do much against a DC team that's camped out in their own 18-yard box.

tfcfans
08-05-2017, 08:16 PM
Revs just tied it up!

pdubs
08-05-2017, 08:18 PM
DC had much more spark on offense, they could easily have won that game especially w/o the red.

And for the life of me I don't understand why none of our players can put a decent shot on net from the top of the box (or just outside). The way to break down a team like that is with a really varied attack, from every angle & including some long shots.

Ricketts sub made no sense to me. He needs room and speed to operate. He can't do much against a DC team that's camped out in their own 18-yard box.

Honestly think the field had something to do with it. Doesn't excuse the poor performance but it is strange no one on TFC really had a clean strike

Still Kicking
08-05-2017, 08:20 PM
Blah, grrr, blah.
DC could sit back, pack the middle and pick off our long ball passes.

I should love the point on the road, but this trend of expecting the lower standing teams to just roll over for TFC is worrying. This lack of combination play is worrying. The movement off the ball is lacking. The inability to finish off teams after they have a player red carded is a carry over from last year.
Blah, that was frustrating...

Auzzy
08-05-2017, 08:23 PM
Honestly think the field had something to do with it. Doesn't excuse the poor performance but it is strange no one on TFC really had a clean strike

True. But we don't have many long shots or goals throughout the whole season. Giovinco last week was more of an exception. I thought that Cheyrou, Vasquez, Bradley, Giovinco, Altidore, and a few others can all take a decent long shot, but we don't see enough of those.

PizzaEatingYeti
08-05-2017, 08:25 PM
Nice. :mad5:

Repeat after the shit play with Colorado.
With good teams we play good, with shit teams we play like shit.

Never
Ever
Call TFC
A Very Good
Team
If they can not get 2 goals in 47 minutes on the worst team of the MLS, playing with 10 men, everybody with their asses in their own goal.

Shame...
How many clear cut chances we had this whole game?

Why the fuck no long range shots?
The Second half should have seen at least 10 shots from anywhere inside a 22 m radius to the DC goal.
Long range shots are one of the very few weapons to break down teams sitting collectively with their their asses in own goal.

How the fuck we do not have guys who can take long range shots?

PS: Why the hell bring in Ricketts, when everybody knows he's zero effective against crowded defenses?
Should have been Cooper to do some dribbling, to take 1 on 1 on defenders, close to the DC goal.

---------------

Very well deserved points for DC.
Congrats to them.

pdubs
08-05-2017, 08:28 PM
Agreed would have liked to see cooper. Rickets without the space to run is useless.

bones
08-05-2017, 08:35 PM
Props to DC for actually playing the full 90+2. So refreshing to see this as opposed to that flopfest Colorado game.

Auzzy
08-05-2017, 08:37 PM
Maybe TFC needs a few practices on high school fields around the GTA? Maybe the surfaces at their training grounds and BMO Field are too good compared with many of the pitches around MLS? Even on a bad pitch, somebody should be able to take a decent long shot, especially as we had a few cases tonight where our players had lots of time to tee up their shot.

Altidore and Giovinco looked like they had played 120 minutes in the all-star game, as did a few other TFC players who weren't even there. The defending against the worst team in the league was also pretty suspect at times.

Auzzy
08-05-2017, 08:38 PM
Props to DC for actually playing the full 90+2. So refreshing to see this as opposed to that flopfest Colorado game.

I hadn't thought of that, but that's a very good point.

PizzaEatingYeti
08-05-2017, 08:45 PM
Sad for Hassler to have his debut in a shit result game like this.
The guy looks good though.

BenRhodes23
08-05-2017, 08:47 PM
Hasler was really impressive tonight

PizzaEatingYeti
08-05-2017, 08:54 PM
The header of this thread should have been:

" Don't Feel Like Bustin Loose (http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/showthread.php?40676-Match-Day-23-TFC-DCU-Sat-Aug-5-7pm-Feel-Like-Bustin-Loose/page4) "

nonc
08-05-2017, 09:00 PM
Wileman and Caldwell aren't shill commentators but tonight they were...TFC and Altidore are playing good they say?? I disagree. Altidore and Giovinco were no shows. Morrow has been poor for some time now. Delgado had one of his bad nights. Moor should be on the bench in favour of Hagglund. Ricketts sub was pointless in a game where he's not going to be able to run and he never shows for the ball. Inability to break down bunkering teams is concerning because that is what playoff may look like especially 1st round. Only interesting thing about tonight was Hasler.

Pretty embarassing and should have lost.

Auzzy
08-05-2017, 09:03 PM
Wileman and Caldwell aren't shill commentators but tonight they were...TFC and Altidore are playing good they say?? I disagree. Altidore and Giovinco were no shows. Morrow has been poor for some time now. Delgado had one of his bad nights. Moor should be on the bench in favour of Hagglund. Ricketts sub was pointless in a game where he's not going to be able to run and he never shows for the ball. Inability to break down bunkering teams is concerning because that is what playoff may look like especially 1st round. Only interesting thing about tonight was Hasler.

Pretty embarassing and should have lost.

Well at least the US announcers (on MLS Live) weren't much better. Strange interpretations of some blatant fouls & non-fouls. At least they accepted the red card with grace.

BTW I wonder if we will see more quick red cards called with VAR in effect, like tonight? The red card stops the game, giving the fifth official time to review the replays. They can always pull back the red card if it turns out to be wrong.

nonc
08-05-2017, 09:17 PM
Well at least the US announcers (on MLS Live) weren't much better. Strange interpretations of some blatant fouls & non-fouls. At least they accepted the red card with grace.

BTW I wonder if we will see more quick red cards called with VAR in effect, like tonight? The red card stops the game, giving the fifth official time to review the replays. They can always pull back the red card if it turns out to be wrong.

The one thing I'm not sold on about VAR yet is that a goal can be called back if there is a missed foul in buildup.

Still Kicking
08-05-2017, 09:24 PM
The one thing I'm not sold on about VAR yet is that a goal can be called back if there is a missed foul in buildup.

Did you see the Dallas goal called back for the foul on the keeper? That was a clear example where seeing the missed foul had the ref negate the goal. I thought it was just.

Oldtimer
08-05-2017, 09:51 PM
You can practically see it. We may win but this game has "danger: trap game" written all over it.

Classic trap game against the worst in the league.

fergiejr
08-05-2017, 10:31 PM
Hasler had a couple of opportunities to put the ball on the net, or at least cross, but he passed back instead. I was sitting along the 18 yard box 8 rows up from field level - I am sure he heard me shouting "SHOOT" ...:-)

OSO should have come on earlier. He's good at being fouled in crowds.

Tonight it seemed like DC got up higher than us, was there for the ball first far more often than us, and came out of the starting blocks actually wanting a win. We started playing at about the 30 minute mark.

We need to learn how to break down the bunker defense, and lobbing balls to Jozy over and over and over and over and over JUST IS NOT WORKING!!!!

boozilla
08-05-2017, 10:34 PM
Credit to a competetive DC side. We have been there. Now we move on. Also, loving Mavinga's progress.

Auzzy
08-05-2017, 11:11 PM
Hasler had a couple of opportunities to put the ball on the net, or at least cross, but he passed back instead. I was sitting along the 18 yard box 8 rows up from field level - I am sure he heard me shouting "SHOOT" ...:-)

OSO should have come on earlier. He's good at being fouled in crowds.

Tonight it seemed like DC got up higher than us, was there for the ball first far more often than us, and came out of the starting blocks actually wanting a win. We started playing at about the 30 minute mark.

We need to learn how to break down the bunker defense, and lobbing balls to Jozy over and over and over and over and over JUST IS NOT WORKING!!!!

Oh, being there must have been much more frustrating!

fergiejr
08-05-2017, 11:11 PM
Oh, being there must have been much more frustrating!

You can't even imagine how much.... ARGHH!!!

Blkndkr
08-05-2017, 11:16 PM
You can't even imagine how much.... ARGHH!!!

I second that.

ensco
08-05-2017, 11:34 PM
Three losses in 23 games.

We suck.

Redcoe15
08-05-2017, 11:39 PM
No excuses for this! TFC should have buried DCU after gaining a man up. The first 10-15 minutes of the match were an embarrassment. That kind of play will get our side eliminated in the playoffs easily. They need to be more ruthless and show no mercy to a weaker opponent. Look at what Chicago did to New England tonight. Wake the fuck up, Vanney!

MightyDM
08-06-2017, 07:00 AM
Mavinga was very very good last night, and Bradley was a monster. For me, the team gets static because they are always looking for Gio - which seems to cause a lot of standing around waiting for something to happen. I think they would be better off against a team set up just to defend to look to the runs others are making (like Osorio when he came on) because that is where the space will be. That should force movement in the defence ultimately opening up space and time for Gio and Jozy. The only runs they fed all night were the wingers, really, otherwise they looked to Gio and it became very static. We have seen this before.
Jozy had a bit of an off night, as did Delgado. Hasler was decent for a debut but was vulnerable early on defensively, I think toAcosta, jury is out for me on him but useful depth for sure.

TFC1154ever
08-06-2017, 10:20 AM
Guys, I think you should look at teams away records. This is the hardest league in the world statistically to win on the road. Add to the fact parady in the MLS is crazy, and this result is very understandable. If TFC averages just over a point on the road this season in the MLS, and 2.5 points at home, which they are currently are, they will finish with one of the best records in MLS history. Calm down people. Chicago won a home game against the worst road team in the MLS. That why the team I wouldn't count out of the eastern conference race is Atlanta, who end off the year with a bunch of home game. The Colorado game I can understand being upset, but getting a point on the road is always a decent result. Pick up 2-3 more road wins this year, and we will be fine

Thomas
08-06-2017, 10:31 AM
I know. A disgraceful and utterly unacceptable state of affairs!


Three losses in 23 games.

We suck.

Fort York Redcoat
08-06-2017, 12:02 PM
Um ya we're on top of the table and it's awesome but IF I had traveled I would've had a negative spin on this easy coast of a match. It's fine to me, plenty of points left to get and we're on top.

Hell most of our existence a draw on the road was a win. Glad to see travellers know we can win on the road if we want.

ensco
08-06-2017, 12:25 PM
I was late for the start (so missed the DC goal) and listened to next half hour radio, which is a simulcast of the TV broadcast.

Jack and Caldwell went the entire half an hour without saying the score, although I figured out that we were down.

Guys: say the score!

Auzzy
08-06-2017, 04:13 PM
Guys, I think you should look at teams away records. This is the hardest league in the world statistically to win on the road. Add to the fact parady in the MLS is crazy, and this result is very understandable. If TFC averages just over a point on the road this season in the MLS, and 2.5 points at home, which they are currently are, they will finish with one of the best records in MLS history. Calm down people. Chicago won a home game against the worst road team in the MLS. That why the team I wouldn't count out of the eastern conference race is Atlanta, who end off the year with a bunch of home game. The Colorado game I can understand being upset, but getting a point on the road is always a decent result. Pick up 2-3 more road wins this year, and we will be fine

I agree generally RE away record, but not really vs. DCU. They're 3-5-3 at home: not much of a fortress. Oddly enough, DC and Galaxy are the only teams in the league with a losing home record. Plus we were up by a man for over half the game, which easily negates the home advantage (if there had been one).

TFC had 69% possession; 14-4 in terms of shots; but only 2-1 in shots on target, and our only goal was an own goal. They need to find a different way through against a team playing like that, and execute better. Otherwise we'll see more of that, especially in the playoffs. (I loved last year's playoff run, but the MLS Cup game was a downer, and had elements of last night's game.) The team doesn't sound happy at all with last night's result, which is good. They will work on something. BTW I didn't hear anyone say "we suck" -- nice straw man there. It was a frustrating game. People that travel to DC and watch in the stadium, or at least plan their day to watch the whole game live, might feel that a bit more.

The game threads are already very short. Overall the traffic on the whole board is very light. Generally I'm extremely happy with TFC's record and outlook for the season. When something doesn't look great, should we just say "rah rah team, orange slices for everyone"? It's a discussion board. Last night there were some things worthy of discussion. I think there should be more of that. Not just frustration, but tactical debates: how do you break down a team like DC? How do we avoid some of the defensive naivete that TFC displayed for parts of the game, allowing one goal, and coming close to more goals from a weak opponent?

SirBobSaget
08-07-2017, 12:16 AM
Reminded me of the San Jose game last year where they where SJ had 2 red cards but TFC couldn't unlock the bunker defense. It was looking better at home until Colorado, teams bunkering for the draw were run over, but now seems its the same issue again. i remember a moment watching the screen and seeing TFC forming a perfect umbrella covering DC's box with the lone target of Jozy just outside the 18. Everyone was out wide and behind, it all seemed wrong.

ensco
08-07-2017, 07:11 AM
1) TFC had 69% of possession

2) I didn't hear anyone say "we suck" -- nice straw man there. It was a frustrating game. People that travel to DC and watch in the stadium, or at least plan their day to watch the whole game live, might feel that a bit more.

2) The game threads are already very short. Overall the traffic on the whole board is very light. Generally I'm extremely happy with TFC's record and outlook for the season.

3) When something doesn't look great, should we just say "rah rah team, orange slices for everyone"? It's a discussion board. Last night there were some things worthy of discussion. I think there should be more of that. Not just frustration, but tactical debates: how do you break down a team like DC? How do we avoid some of the defensive naivete that TFC displayed for parts of the game, allowing one goal, and coming close to more goals from a weak opponent?

I numbered your points

1) We dominated possession because of the red card. DC had more of the good play before that. I don't think it's evidence of a problem.

2) The tone is incredibly negative if we don't win. No perspective at all. Coming back from 1-0 down at the half on the road is treated like nothing. "It was an own goal" is stated as though they passed it back into their own net, like the intense pressure DC were under in the box didn't happen. Draws are treated as losses. I don't think it's a straw man.

3) Truth to this. I have said similar. I think this is why you need to stick with Cooper, when he was going he was the key to unlocking defenses in the playoff run last year.

MightyDM
08-07-2017, 07:58 AM
We are also missing Hagglund. He was dominant in the air against Montreal and can help unlock defenses because the CD's have to be marking Jozy and paying attention to giovinco

starter
08-07-2017, 09:45 AM
After the red card DC sat back.
We were not quick enough to set up shots from outside, or penetrate the box. Too cute at times.
We would have benefited from Cheyrou (NA) and Cooper to unlock the defense.
We had 40 crosses in (!), with not enough presence in the box. Felt like capitulation of sorts.
It was a frustrating effort to watch.

Red CB Toronto
08-07-2017, 10:13 AM
The reality is as the Reds have shown in the past it's a challenge playing against a side with 10 men or less. It simply changes everything on the pitch in terms of what they will face. Chalk up this game was what it was and onward to Portland.

Initial B
08-07-2017, 12:53 PM
My son and and I were counting every time there were at least 9 defenders in their box. We lost count. It just shows that there is no way to break down a team that parks the bus to that extent than hope for a lucky bounce.

ag futbol
08-07-2017, 02:20 PM
My son and and I were counting every time there were at least 9 defenders in their box. We lost count. It just shows that there is no way to break down a team that parks the bus to that extent than hope for a lucky bounce.
We have to be more dynamic. Someone pointed out we attempted 40 crosses over the span of the game: that's making things easy on the opposition. A few shots from distance. Some attempts to quickly shift the ball inside-and-out with a collapsing defence. Further, fighting to win the ball back as quickly as possible rather than conceding the attacking third and trying to engage in midfield like we normally do.

There will always be days like this where a team parking the bus gets the better of a superior side. However, it's clear we haven't yet found the formula to beat teams who are content to sit back and force TFC to beat them rather than vice versa. I still have nightmares about SJ, whenever the hell that was.

PizzaEatingYeti
08-07-2017, 09:47 PM
There will always be days like this where a team parking the bus gets the better of a superior side. However, it's clear we haven't yet found the formula to beat teams who are content to sit back and force TFC to beat them rather than vice versa. I still have nightmares about SJ, whenever the hell that was.

The only thing I have nightmares about, is our MLS cup final with Seattle.
No matter how many great chances we had, and how good was Frei standing on his head to keep a clean sheet in 120 minutes.

It's still called " Too many times we cannot unlock a team doing nothing else practically a whole game, but defending".

Yohan
08-08-2017, 11:38 AM
So annoyed. More and more teams are going to be content just taking a point from games vs TFC. Far more teams are built to bunker and counter and clog up the middle to take the service away from Bradley, Giovinco and Altidore. Wingers being negated because oppositions are betting on their CBs to win duels in the air.
It's ongoing process of teams figuring out Vanney's tactics, and now Vanney has to come up with another way to break down the bunker.

C.Ronaldo
08-08-2017, 11:44 AM
So annoyed. More and more teams are going to be content just taking a point from games vs TFC. Far more teams are built to bunker and counter and clog up the middle to take the service away from Bradley, Giovinco and Altidore. Wingers being negated because oppositions are betting on their CBs to win duels in the air.
It's ongoing process of teams figuring out Vanney's tactics, and now Vanney has to come up with another way to break down the bunker.

this where players like edwards, osorio and chapman need to be utilized. they can create space for others.

but it doesnt help when your stars are not having their best day

Yohan
08-08-2017, 12:08 PM
this where players like edwards, osorio and chapman need to be utilized. they can create space for others.

but it doesnt help when your stars are not having their best day

It's either quick one touch passing or beating a man 1v1. Edwards can beat a man 1v1, but haven't seen much of one touch passing from him. Oso and Chapman can do one touch passes, but they seem to run out of ideas often than not. And they can't beat a man 1v1 with dribbling consistently.

OgtheDim
08-08-2017, 12:14 PM
Didn't watch the game for the sake of a wedding. Our usual issue when teams bunker against us is we don't move the ball fast enough. And then end up crossing into 9 defenders. Nobody goes at players trying to draw a foul. And we avoid long shots trying to get a better opening. Things didn't change?

C.Ronaldo
08-08-2017, 01:33 PM
That sounds like cooper before we messed with his head

Derko
08-08-2017, 06:45 PM
That sounds like cooper before we messed with his head

Thank you, it is like putting a round peg in a square hole and has screwed up Cooper. Vanney wants TFC to play Continental possession football, far too many pretty passes, no one is shooting from outside the box.
I know, if you have more possession statistically you should win more games, but you can't score if you don't shoot the ball, and no one wants to shoot the ball, it has been drilled in you must feed either Seba or Jozy, I wonder if they get chastised for taking the initiative and striking the bloody ball.

Auzzy
08-08-2017, 08:08 PM
Didn't watch the game for the sake of a wedding. Our usual issue when teams bunker against us is we don't move the ball fast enough. And then end up crossing into 9 defenders. Nobody goes at players trying to draw a foul. And we avoid long shots trying to get a better opening. Things didn't change?

Yeah pretty much.

ensco
08-08-2017, 08:21 PM
I think it's just the dog days of summer. We should relax.

MightyDM
08-09-2017, 08:55 AM
Hagglund.