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James17930
06-28-2017, 06:01 AM
So our first CCL game is going to be in Feb or March next year ... is it going to be possible to have it at Roger's Centre again?

Can you imagine close to 50,000 in there, with how good this team is now? It would blow last time out of the water.

Is this doable? 'Cause they just can't do it at BMO in February. If not at RC, what are the other options?

molenshtain
06-28-2017, 06:08 AM
So our first CCL game is going to be in Feb or March next year ... is it going to be possible to have it at Roger's Centre again?

Can you imagine close to 50,000 in there, with how good this team is now? It would blow last time out of the water.

Is this doable? 'Cause they just can't do it at BMO in February. If not at RC, what are the other options?

highly highly unlikely from my understanding. New grass at Rogers can't be ripped up. I would imagine if MLSE could have put the final last year in the dome they would have.

besides, we've done early March at BMO before. It was fucking awful, but it's doable.

James17930
06-28-2017, 06:52 AM
highly highly unlikely from my understanding. New grass at Rogers can't be ripped up. I would imagine if MLSE could have put the final last year in the dome they would have.

besides, we've done early March at BMO before. It was fucking awful, but it's doable.

But what about Feb? That would be impossible at BMO without some kind of giant bubble.

I can't believe they would every settle for a neutral site either.

What are the other options? Can't we just lay grass down over their turf?

molenshtain
06-28-2017, 06:54 AM
But what Feb? That would be impossible at BMO without some kind of giant bubble.

I can't believe they would every settle for a neutral site either.

What are the other options? Can't we just lay grass down over their turf?

I imagine they'd have a bubble on until the last possible second. No reason the boys can't play in some cold though. It'll certainly make it harder for the Mexican team we'll inevitably face.

James17930
06-28-2017, 06:57 AM
I imagine they'd have a bubble on until the last possible second. No reason the boys can't play in some cold though. It'll certainly make it harder for the Mexican team we'll inevitably face.

I don't know. -25 and colder is possible in Feb. I think that's beyond the limits of what's acceptable.

Cas87
06-28-2017, 08:03 AM
Apparently there is a way for the new infield at RC to be covered in order for other events to happen with a level floor (concerts, convenstions, Monster Jam, etc).

It is certainly in the realm of possibility but TFC and the Jays would need to be discussing and planning starting now to get it off the ground correctly.

OgtheDim
06-28-2017, 08:52 AM
Just an FYI - my understanding is CONCACAF is going to change the seeding for this tourney and we are likely to start with a home and away against a non US or Mexican team.

Fort York Redcoat
06-28-2017, 09:29 AM
Just an FYI - my understanding is CONCACAF is going to change the seeding for this tourney and we are likely to start with a home and away against a non US or Mexican team.

Which puts a need for 50k capacity aside. It will be chilly, though.

James17930
06-28-2017, 10:38 AM
Which puts a need for 50k capacity aside. It will be chilly, though.

Why? They'd have months to promote it. As hot as TFC is right now, I think they could get at least 40k against a non-US or -Mexican team.

I seriously don't think BMO Field in Feb. is feasible.

Fort York Redcoat
06-28-2017, 10:43 AM
Why? They'd have months to promote it. As hot as TFC is right now, I think they could get at least 40k against a non-US or -Mexican team.

I seriously don't think BMO Field in Feb. is feasible.





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Which one of the above teams draws 40k? It was the MLS team + Beckham that did it that one time.

That's beside my bias for playing at home aside.

2 MLS Cups might as well have been played in February for the temp those days at BMO.

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06-28-2017, 11:08 AM
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Which one of the above teams draws 40k?


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denime
06-28-2017, 11:12 AM
Fuck RC, BMO is our Fortress

Fort York Redcoat
06-28-2017, 11:13 AM
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Love it. Hope you're right.

But still hate the Dome idea.

Blindside16
06-28-2017, 12:07 PM
Fuck RC, BMO is our Fortress


THIS 100%!!! I have no desire to return to RC. I said the same thing before the final last year, with the amount of money that MLSE has poured into BMO there is no way the games will be held anywhere else. BMO is home and BMO is where we will make our run for Champions League glory.

Initial B
06-28-2017, 12:40 PM
Doesn't the pitch have heated glycol piping to keep it warm even in the winter? They can probably provide heated tent areas around the stadium if necessary, but just think of the advantage TFC playing at -2C would have over any central american teams visiting. g:D

fergiejr
06-28-2017, 04:50 PM
Bubble over the field and they show it on the big TV? :hide:

Seriously though, I was there in the very cold weather for the Centennial Classic. It was damn cold when the sun went down, I couldn't imagine running around in shorts and a light shirt - and sweating.

That's gonna be cold.

If it is home and away, maybe we get leg2?

fergiejr
06-28-2017, 04:54 PM
https://www.accuweather.com/en/ca/toronto/m5j/february-weather/55488?monyr=2/1/2017

I don't remember the last two weeks being that warm myself...

MartinUtd
06-28-2017, 05:47 PM
It's simple, we play futsal in the ACC.

RedsYNWA
06-28-2017, 06:57 PM
Play the game on a weekend in the afternoon & we are all good :drum:

backbeat
06-28-2017, 11:00 PM
i would be shocked if BMO was playable in February - i hate the Skydome for soccer but i can't see anywhere else they could hold the game - the pitch was really bad for our first few games this season and they were at the very end of March and into April.

UpTheReds
06-28-2017, 11:10 PM
For me, there is zero chance they play a game in February at BMO. I would think RC is the only option.

James17930
06-28-2017, 11:21 PM
For me, there is zero chance they play a game in February at BMO. I would think RC is the only option.

I really feel so too.

It's not so much the fans I'm thinking about but the players. You can't risk their health like that. Shorts in possible -20 degree weather is just not feasible.

ronzilla
06-29-2017, 07:11 AM
It's not only the cold, we could also get hit with a heavy snow or freezing rain in Feb.

Skydome is a much more viable option.

CBTFC
06-29-2017, 07:33 AM
If Tottenham can play matches throughout their season at Wembley, then we can certainly play the odd match at Skydome.

That game against LA Galaxy will remain forever one of my greatest live sporting experiences, just because of the grand scale of it.

This team we have now deserves the biggest stage this city can offer.

James17930
06-29-2017, 07:54 AM
For me, there is zero chance they play a game in February at BMO. I would think RC is the only option.


https://www.accuweather.com/en/ca/toronto/m5j/february-weather/55488?monyr=2/1/2017

I don't remember the last two weeks being that warm myself...

Okay, but in 2015 it was around -20 for like a week. The point is it's just too unpredictable.

Ponderosa
06-29-2017, 09:10 AM
We had a bit of the same discussion on the boards about the final last year. My biggest concern is the players...pros or not, anything where it's cold enough that there is frostbite danger or freezing rain/snow isn't safe and I'd not want to risk them out at BMO for the upcoming matches or risk the start of the new season for the sentimentality of BMO.

Home is where the heart is...where they go - we can follow...if we end up at the Dome...its an away game close to home is all.

C.Ronaldo
06-29-2017, 09:23 AM
guys, we cant play in Feb. the stadium is not frost proof. The waterlines would freeze, the walkways and seats would be covered in snow/ice

kodiakTFC
06-29-2017, 09:33 AM
Personally, I'd prefer this game be played at the SkyDome. BMO is our house but our players should be focused on their opponent, not frostbite. Let us remember that Seba was subbed off because he couldn't move it was so cold. I'm confident TFC could draw 30k minimum. When they open up any extra 12k seats the team will have any easy time selling cheap tickets to youth associations and companies.

Derko
06-29-2017, 09:38 AM
It has to be the RC for weather reasons and capacity, this is Champions League and promote it as such, they will have time to prepare.

ryan
06-29-2017, 10:07 AM
Feb 18th game at BMO? Yeah, sure.

reggie
06-29-2017, 10:11 AM
im amazed that none of the crack jurnos that cover the team ask the FO that simple question.maybe they are too busy getting clicks from pissed off mtl fans.

OgtheDim
06-29-2017, 10:31 AM
guys, we cant play in Feb. the stadium is not frost proof. The waterlines would freeze, the walkways and seats would be covered in snow/ice

They did a hockey game there, so had to be prepared for such things.

Its frost proof.


The issue is the field, the fans and the players.

As for dating, its unsure if we have to play here in February.

All we know is:

http://www.concacaf.com/article/concacaf-announces-schedule-of-round-of-16-matchups-for-2017-scotiabank-concacaf-league

The paragraph that is appropriate is this:


The 2018 edition of the Scotiabank CONCACAF Champions League kicks off in February of next year, featuring the winner of the 2017 Scotiabank CONCACAF League and 15 more of the best clubs from the entire CONCACAF region, including the Caribbean and Central America, plus Mexico, the United States and Canada. The champion of that competition will represent the region in the 2018 FIFA Club World Cup.

Phil
06-29-2017, 10:34 AM
guys, we cant play in Feb. the stadium is not frost proof. The waterlines would freeze, the walkways and seats would be covered in snow/ice

Actually, due to the east stand and upgrades, the stadium is now winterized. Its very possible barring some freak weather event to play the game at BMO. The expansion was done because TFC don't want to ever play at Rogers center. Even with a sell out they make no money because of the rental fee, stadium configuration fees and additional staffing (they have to use Rogers center employees and pay a higher fee for it). Not to mention the headache of relocating all the seasons tickets into different seating positions and sight lines - it generates tons of complaints and challenges for the staff.

ScarboroughRed
06-29-2017, 10:47 AM
NYRB hosted Vancouver at Red Bull Arena on Feb. 22 this year for their Champions League game. They somehow got lucky though and the weather was 13 high/5 low and cloudy.

Don't know if we'd get lucky at that time of the year.

Initial B
06-29-2017, 11:18 AM
Isn't there usually a February melt for a couple of days each year?

TFC1154ever
06-29-2017, 11:36 AM
I've heard from someone in the TFC FO that they expect to play at BMO Field. The 2nd leg of the round of 16 is expected to be the first week of March. They don't know yet if TFC will be a pot one team or not, the person told me they expect NOT to be. So looks like we are playing an MLS or Mexican team in the round of 16

Fort York Redcoat
06-29-2017, 11:55 AM
I've heard from someone in the TFC FO that they expect to play at BMO Field. The 2nd leg of the round of 16 is expected to be the first week of March. They don't know yet if TFC will be a pot one team or not, the person told me they expect NOT to be. So looks like we are playing an MLS or Mexican team in the round of 16

This makes sense. We should be in pot 2 since it's a regional rating. We are not 1 or 2 and there are 8 of those teams.

But this also means we should have the first leg not the second if we're the lower seed.

C.Ronaldo
06-29-2017, 12:50 PM
Feb and Dec are different beasts

Sorry, Feb at BMO would be a mistake. The walkways and stairs are a lawsuit waiting to happen in a heavy snow fall or deep frost. Even a an icestorm is likely

decent weather in Feb is an outlier , not the norm

Kaz
06-29-2017, 01:16 PM
Lets look at things with some perspective.


Last winter had a couple of cold days but mostly was fairly mild. Minus the vortex year that saw the great lakes actually freeze over late February early March isn't so bad.

Odds are due to the nature of the weather in Toronto the home match will be the second leg to give the best chance of the weather being workable. The last two years weather has jumped between highs of 12 degrees and lows of -12 in the last week of February and first week of March. Most often the day time high is around 10 degrees. A 2pm game is fully doable and could easily be warmer than the MLS cup or even the Conference Final.
The MLS cup was sub zero and the Conference Final was in rain at under 10 degrees.

People tend to forget what the weather in Late February March is actually like. Barring a weather oddity there should be no issue in the game being played at BMO field for the second leg. The First Leg would be difficult as it is often the coldest 3 weeks of the year from the last week of January to the second or third week of February.

So no we should not be preparing to play at Skydome/Rogers Centre/that thing the Argos fans demanded and then never went to resulting in them ruining our pitch with their dumb game.... unless Lake Ontario has frozen over at which point trying to figure out an alternative might be required. Likely just moving the date to a little later in March... in the same way the date would be moved if there was a massive electrical storm during the game.

Auzzy
06-29-2017, 04:21 PM
Actually, due to the east stand and upgrades, the stadium is now winterized. Its very possible barring some freak weather event to play the game at BMO. The expansion was done because TFC don't want to ever play at Rogers center. Even with a sell out they make no money because of the rental fee, stadium configuration fees and additional staffing (they have to use Rogers center employees and pay a higher fee for it). Not to mention the headache of relocating all the seasons tickets into different seating positions and sight lines - it generates tons of complaints and challenges for the staff.

But I thought there haven't been any changes or improvements to the west side and other older areas of BMO yet? Maybe this will trigger them to do at least the rest of the winterization after this season is over.

Recently we had two years where it was unbelievably cold for months. Also, I loved being in MLS Cup, but even that weather wasn't conducive to good footy. February / early March could be nuts. I guess there's no way around it. Maybe the Qataris could send us all the hot air from their supposedly open-air cooled stadiums to heat up open-air BMO in February.

James17930
06-29-2017, 05:56 PM
So then they schedule it at BMO sort of half-expecting it to be postponed?

That'd be one way to force the issue.

But maybe CONCACAF could step in and force things as well. They could demand the game be played at RC (maybe, who knows).

Fort York Redcoat
06-30-2017, 07:53 AM
So then they scheduled it at BMO sort of half-expecting it to be postponed?

That'd be one way to force the issue.

But maybe CONCACAF could step in and force things as well. They could demand the game be played at RC (maybe, who knows).

The schedule was made by CONCACAF and of course the default is BMO. Not really more to it than that. If they move it to Skydome it'll be shame but I think people will understand why. I don't think you're going to get everyone on board with it, though.

The Galaxy game won't be matched unless we have a later round opponent and by then we'll be at BMO where we should be.

YYZ_Fan
06-30-2017, 10:21 AM
Any idea what the players would prefer? Trainers?
Are the cold & field conditions more of a concern than the turf of the Skydome?

trane
06-30-2017, 01:59 PM
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That is what I was going to point out.

James17930
07-01-2017, 11:41 AM
That is what I was going to point out.

Yeah, I really think it's doable, especially with the amount of time they'd have to promote it.

Fort York Redcoat
07-02-2017, 10:44 AM
Yeah, I really think it's doable, especially with the amount of time they'd have to promote it.

It will be unprecedented. This is not Stade Olympique in the semi final. This will be a hard sell, guys.

I hope you're right. But I hope for BMO first.