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OgtheDim
06-21-2017, 06:09 AM
http://i.imgur.com/BtvdW0n.jpg


Have At It People

Canary10
06-21-2017, 09:34 AM
Revenge.

charlieocc
06-21-2017, 09:39 AM
Revenge.
Hell yeah. We demolished Columbus at home as payback for beating us, now let's do the same to the Revs

Oldtimer
06-21-2017, 12:00 PM
http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/attachment.php?attachmentid=3332&d=1498064347

Best I could do with an online filter (the colours aren't quite right).

notthesun
06-21-2017, 09:21 PM
So, jeez, who are we gonna play this game? We pretty much used everyone for the Montreal game. This is gonna be a tough game on suck quick turnaround.

I think I keep Jozy out of the 18 entirely and put Vazquez on the bench. Is Hernandez fit? He should start at the back if so. I guess Morrow starts since he played fewer minutes. I wouldn't risk Beitashour here so you'd either have to play Edwards or Morrow on their off-side or play Endoh at RWB (gulp). Cheyrou will take Bradley's spot most likely. I wonder if Delgado would be ok to start again...

Oldtimer
06-21-2017, 09:36 PM
We can be sure Bono is starting, barring a last minute injury. Rested, plus Irwin did nothing against Montréal to make one feel he should be number one.

SirBobSaget
06-21-2017, 11:52 PM
Predict
Bono
Zavaleta Hernandez Morrow
Cooper Vazquez Cheyrou Edwards
Giovinco Hamilton

Zavaleta didn't run much, stayed home to cover Piatti while Mavinga took more liberty jumping forward.

TFC1154ever
06-22-2017, 01:38 AM
Just a note, New England still hasn't won on the road yet. 0-5-3 this year. That game in Boston was a bit of a farce. There a good home team, but are terrible on the road

MightyDM
06-22-2017, 05:52 AM
Bono
Zavaleta Hernandez Mavinga
Cooper Delgado Cheyrou Osorio Morrow
Vasquez
Giovinco

New England completely ran through our midfield last game with their pace. That exposed our back line badly. It made clear that we cannot have Vasquez and Cheyrou on the pitch at the same time in midfield, they have the same weakness

giovincos striking is off, as are his set pieces. Sometimes his touch, too. Maybe he needs minutes, still recovering from his muscle strains.

Canary10
06-22-2017, 08:41 AM
Bono
Zavaleta Hernandez Mavinga
Cooper Delgado Cheyrou Osorio Morrow
Vasquez
Giovinco

New England completely ran through our midfield last game with their pace. That exposed our back line badly. It made clear that we cannot have Vasquez and Cheyrou on the pitch at the same time in midfield, they have the same weakness

giovincos striking is off, as are his set pieces. Sometimes his touch, too. Maybe he needs minutes, still recovering from his muscle strains.

There were a couple of times last night Giovinco, for lack of a better word, just flubbed his first touch. On really simply balls too. In previous years that first touch could turn people inside out. I'm kinda worried at this point. We're halfway through the season and he's not gotten going at all. I hope this isn't a general decline.

Derko
06-22-2017, 08:47 AM
There were a couple of times last night Giovinco, for lack of a better word, just flubbed his first touch. On really simply balls too. In previous years that first touch could turn people inside out. I'm kinda worried at this point. We're halfway through the season and he's not gotten going at all. I hope this isn't a general decline.

Although he is at least setting up some goals, he needs a multiple goal game or 2 to click back into gear. And also I think defenders are just smothering him

Canary10
06-22-2017, 09:02 AM
Although he is at least setting up some goals, he needs a multiple goal game or 2 to click back into gear. And also I think defenders are just smothering him

He had that one two goal game a few weeks ago but it didn't really break him out. Another one tomorrow would be great. I agree teams are all over him, but that's not really different than what he's faced in previous years. His ball skills got him through that. None of that has been evident this year.

Oldtimer
06-22-2017, 09:49 AM
Just a note, New England still hasn't won on the road yet. 0-5-3 this year. That game in Boston was a bit of a farce. There a good home team, but are terrible on the road

Classic "turf team." Plays well on their crappy turf, worse than average elsewhere.

Fzap
06-22-2017, 11:11 AM
Does anyone have a single ticket they are not using for tomorrow's match? Pls let me know thanks

paul-collins
06-22-2017, 11:33 AM
New England completely ran through our midfield last game with their pace. That exposed our back line badly. It made clear that we cannot have Vasquez and Cheyrou on the pitch at the same time in midfield, they have the same weakness


Classic "turf team." Plays well on their crappy turf, worse than average elsewhere.
Just putting these two things together. I would not be afraid of Cheyrou and Vasquez on the pitch together at home.

C.Ronaldo
06-22-2017, 11:48 AM
Just putting these two things together. I would not be afraid of Cheyrou and Vasquez on the pitch together at home.


im confident the two can figure it out. Im sure they watched that game and learned their lessons

Initial B
06-22-2017, 12:15 PM
I'm wondering if Vanney is planning on matching NER's youth with our youth. Tomorrow I could see a lineup of:

-------------------Bono------------------
---Zavaleta----Hernandez---Morgan---
-----------------Cheyrou----------------
Edwards--Delgado--Chapman--Morrow
-------Giovinco---------Ricketts--------

Cas87
06-22-2017, 01:21 PM
I'm wondering if Vanney is planning on matching NER's youth with our youth. Tomorrow I could see a lineup of:

-------------------Bono------------------
---Zavaleta----Hernandez---Morgan---
-----------------Cheyrou----------------
Edwards--Delgado--Chapman--Morrow
-------Giovinco---------Ricketts--------

chappy I feel has the better chance of getting minutes over Morgan.
insee Morgan coming in on Tuesday instead for Morrow

GhostKiller
06-22-2017, 01:42 PM
Please no more Morgan. His decline has been pretty sad to watch.

ensco
06-22-2017, 02:38 PM
Please no more Morgan. His decline has been pretty sad to watch.

Challenge. Where have you watched him? He got 20 minutes in Ottawa when the whole team stunk. That's it.

MightyDM
06-22-2017, 03:16 PM
im confident the two can figure it out. Im sure they watched that game and learned their lessons

They are both beautiful players and smart. And slow. You can manage one slow midfielder, not two. My suggestion was to put Vasquez up front with Giovinco

Areathrasher
06-22-2017, 03:17 PM
Challenge. Where have you watched him? He got 20 minutes in Ottawa when the whole team stunk. That's it.

I saw him for TFCII against Pittsburgh a few weeks back. Wasn't great. Crossing and passing was atrocious.

OgtheDim
06-22-2017, 04:54 PM
https://twitter.com/lauraarmy/status/877996846471409664

GhostKiller
06-22-2017, 05:24 PM
Challenge. Where have you watched him? He got 20 minutes in Ottawa when the whole team stunk. That's it.
I've watched every minute he's played for TFC since coming into this league. Areathrasher hit it on the head, he can't cross and is an unreliable passer. Just because he put together some ok games when they ran the J-Mo experiment on the right side doesn't make him MLS caliber. More importantly, his time at TFC hasn't had him show any growth. The opposite actually. Maybe the league is getting tougher, maybe he is regressing.
Just because he only put in 20 bad minutes against Ottawa, doesn't disqualify me to judge his other work.

OgtheDim
06-22-2017, 07:02 PM
Weather forecast says thunderbangers and rain until about 6

nonc
06-22-2017, 09:37 PM
Morgan probably couldn't hack it in the USL I'll never understand why Bezbatchenko renewed his contract LAST YEAR for over $100,000 (?) when it's been clear for like 4 years that he wasn't up to MLS or TFC's standard. Koevermans got him some assists ages ago when TFC sucked. Only negative signs since. It's not like the Academy hasn't produced better depth alternatives like Pasher.

SirBobSaget
06-22-2017, 11:11 PM
Morgan probably couldn't hack it in the USL I'll never understand why Bezbatchenko renewed his contract LAST YEAR for over $100,000 (?) when it's been clear for like 4 years that he wasn't up to MLS or TFC's standard. Koevermans got him some assists ages ago when TFC sucked. Only negative signs since. It's not like the Academy hasn't produced better depth alternatives like Pasher.

Wow thats harsh. Morgan has played 95 MLS games and 13 National while Pasher has only 1 MLS. Injuries have railroaded his career past few seasons thats for sure but if Bez still believes in him than I'm behind 100%.

Petor
06-23-2017, 06:36 AM
Does anyone have a single ticket they are not using for tomorrow's match? Pls let me know thanks

You can find tickets to the game in this forum...

http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/showthread.php?40197-6-23-TFC-vs-NE-Revs/page3

Fzap
06-23-2017, 11:46 AM
You can find tickets to the game in this forum...

http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/showthread.php?40197-6-23-TFC-vs-NE-Revs/page3

Thank u

Section_105
06-23-2017, 12:23 PM
Wow thats harsh. Morgan has played 95 MLS games and 13 National while Pasher has only 1 MLS. Injuries have railroaded his career past few seasons thats for sure but if Bez still believes in him than I'm behind 100%.

Agreed. The injuries have been long to recover from and with horrible timing. And Vanney is a huge fan of his and GV's judgement has been pretty good about players many of us thought were garbage at one time or another (Zav, Mavinga, Endoh(though never play him at right back ever the fuck again))

anywho, hope it's dryer by game time and the mix and match lineup gets us some redemption this eve.

OgtheDim
06-23-2017, 04:06 PM
https://twitter.com/TFC_GroundsDept/status/878352761816891392


Here we go! :scarf:

bigredone
06-23-2017, 06:23 PM
I like to think the Morgan salary is a hook-up from our club for loyalty and more. Bez is just being a good dude.

MightyDM
06-23-2017, 06:24 PM
https://twitter.com/lauraarmy/status/877996846471409664
Well Og, apparently Vanney disagrees with us that cheyrou Cooper Vasquez can't handle New england....

ronzilla
06-23-2017, 06:26 PM
https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/878387200173395968

James17930
06-23-2017, 06:28 PM
Quite the youthful bench.

ronzilla
06-23-2017, 06:29 PM
STREAMS


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP4h-o-72TM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6RPseVfpiY


http://cricfree.sc/tsn-2-live-stream-


http://streamhunter.top/soccer/toronto-vs-new-england-sht4741585?l=1676505330


http://firstrows.xyz/soccer/xft-toronto-vs-new-england-fyz3869c0?l=1676505330


http://www.stream2watch.ru/soccer/toronto-vs-new-england-s2108932


http://www.atdhe.cc/soccer/stream-52b86c-toronto-vs-new-england?l=1676505330


http://www.sportingvideo.org/20170620/wv59487bb08ff84199837938-1721004.html


http://www.sportingvideo.org/20170623/wv594d7f407d01c153376071-1723824.html


http://www.sportingvideo.org/20170623/wv594d7f46e98dc060256269-1723825.html


http://www.sportingvideo.org/20170623/wv594d7f535bfbe081359225-1723827.html

SirBobSaget
06-23-2017, 06:32 PM
Lineup as expected given the Wednesday starters and subs. Hopefully endoh will be able to do the rwb job. Moor will be backing him up along with cooper in the area so they might be able to help

notthesun
06-23-2017, 06:33 PM
Jozy on two days rest scares the crap outta me.

khso11
06-23-2017, 06:36 PM
Redemption game for Cooper.

ronzilla
06-23-2017, 06:36 PM
If Jozy gets injured, Vanney should get canned on the spot. Thats all I will say.

PizzaEatingYeti
06-23-2017, 07:16 PM
Working youtube stream:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEkd_EyR4M4
the other 2 among all the other links are fake ones.

Sweeper
06-23-2017, 07:29 PM
Down with TSN....WTF is with CFL on 4 stations and no TFC on a Friday night at home!!!!!

nonc
06-23-2017, 07:32 PM
Wow positive start

PizzaEatingYeti
06-23-2017, 07:32 PM
nicely done by Cooper , playing well so far

Sweeper
06-23-2017, 07:32 PM
Nice cross by Cooper

ronzilla
06-23-2017, 07:51 PM
Working youtube stream:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEkd_EyR4M4
the other 2 among all the other links are fake ones.


Not sure what your on about. Their all working except the youtubes.
The one you posted is unwatchable.

ag futbol
06-23-2017, 07:53 PM
That was a stone cold penalty. This guy is an idiot. And so is Caldwell for thinking anything to the contrary.

PizzaEatingYeti
06-23-2017, 07:58 PM
anyone has a good enough stream?
all youtube died, everything else is crap

Yohan
06-23-2017, 07:59 PM
http://www.bigsoccer.com/attachments/img_1400-jpg.105225/

Sopo
06-23-2017, 07:59 PM
That was a stone cold penalty. This guy is an idiot. And so is Caldwell for thinking anything to the contrary.

Caldwell tries so hard to not be biased, but it makes it seem so try hard, and makes his call on the game really bad.

nonc
06-23-2017, 08:08 PM
anyone has a good enough stream?
all youtube died, everything else is crap

http://cdn.livetv.sx/webplayer.php?t=ifr&c=725533&lang=en

ronzilla
06-23-2017, 08:09 PM
Cooper playing a great 1st half.

NE have come close, need another goal or 2.

That was 100% PK on Jozy foul.

Hugh Jazz
06-23-2017, 08:09 PM
That was a good start but it seemed as the half went on we started to ease off and get lazy with a lot of wasted long balls up to Giovinco. Vazquez makes a lot of great passes look effortless.

Oldtimer
06-23-2017, 08:09 PM
I like how Vanney takes what looks like chances with the lineup and gets away with it.

PizzaEatingYeti
06-23-2017, 08:17 PM
I had the chance to see about 50% of the game because of stream quality, but I get the impression that we played good the first 20 minutes, and after that not much.

And no change with Seba... he's still off...

Hugh Jazz
06-23-2017, 08:20 PM
That was a stone cold penalty. This guy is an idiot. And so is Caldwell for thinking anything to the contrary.

I'm watching the NE feed and Mariner called it a PK. Sports commentary is a fickle business.

TFC_4_Life
06-23-2017, 08:22 PM
Cooper has the quality, showed it with a great cross on the goal, but still had a few turnovers, and sometimes too slow to move the ball. Not consistent enough this year to earn a regular starting job.

TFC_4_Life
06-23-2017, 08:23 PM
http://cdn.livetv.sx/webplayer.php?t=ifr&c=725533&lang=en

Thanks, working well.

ag futbol
06-23-2017, 08:30 PM
What a disgrace that call was.

ag futbol
06-23-2017, 09:03 PM
Caldwell is an idiot. Everything is always in favour of the defender.

ag futbol
06-23-2017, 09:14 PM
Absolutely outrageous pass by Vasquez! Frustrating game but great end!

nonc
06-23-2017, 09:17 PM
Absolutely outrageous pass by Vasquez! Frustrating game but great end!

Vasquez is art hehehe

Sweeper
06-23-2017, 09:17 PM
What a way to end the game....can't wait for Tuesday live.

Shakes McQueen
06-23-2017, 09:18 PM
I'll take any winning result right now, with our stupid schedule. Keep grinding 'em out, and hopefully Orlando can cool off Chicago on the weekend.

Our record is pretty remarkable, when you consider how many weeks we've had to play with essentially half-rest.

Sweeper
06-23-2017, 09:19 PM
Vasquez playmaking yet again......

TFC_4_Life
06-23-2017, 09:19 PM
What a great way to end the game on a high. Hopefully turning point for Giovinco. Noticeable improvement with the tactical switch. Vanney once again with a good move.

Canary10
06-23-2017, 09:20 PM
Well done lads. Grinded it out.

Oldtimer
06-23-2017, 09:21 PM
Great team effort, great vision by Vasquez on the last goal. Good in-game management by Vanney.

A well deserved win.

Canary10
06-23-2017, 09:24 PM
I'm a bit surprised NE isn't in a playoff position. They're a decent side. Played us tough twice. I wouldn't want to face them in the playoffs. They could surprise.

notthesun
06-23-2017, 09:25 PM
Championship DNA shining through today. We were completely gassed by the 70th minute. Great organization and hustle when we needed it to keep them out. Fantastic for Giovinco to score at the end.

Can't believe Altidore played the whole game but we probably don't win without him and I think Vanney knew that. He was huge. Great games from Moor, Mavinga and Bono too. Cooper with a good bounce-back performance as well. This was probably one of the more difficult wins we pick up this year, gotta feel damn good for the team.

ronzilla
06-23-2017, 09:31 PM
Midfiled is just not the same without Bradley.

Was expecting a better performance overall, although this messed up schedule caused a lot of strain, and I think Vanney has made some poor roster/sub decisions.

A win is a win.

Great ball from Vasquez, Giovinco is back.

Onto the next.

CBTFC
06-23-2017, 09:34 PM
I am really, really glad Victor Vasquez picked Toronto. He continues to amaze me!

*swoon*

Oldtimer
06-23-2017, 09:47 PM
I think Vanney has made some poor roster/sub decisions.


I'd wonder what you would do differently. Maybe not sub in Osorio, since he didn't look at his best, but who would you bring in then who is rested? Playing Jozy worked well, same with Seba.

I thought it was a good decision to change formation to the diamond and bring in Morgan.

General Woolfe
06-23-2017, 09:50 PM
They say that Championship winning sides are able to grind out points even when they are not at their best. I don't want to get ahead of myself, but TFC were a perfect example of that tonight. Despite a wonderful start, the Reds seemed to lose their way as the first half wore on, and it was New England who ended the first half strongest, something they maintained throughout the second period. However, a moment of sublime brilliance from Vazquez, finished superbly by Séba, made sure TFC took the win despite what in all honesty can only be described as a lethargic performance. For me the MOTM was a toss up between Moor, Mavinga or Bono, which perhaps underlines the fact we found ourselves largely on the back foot all night.

Nevertheless it is completely appropriate we find ourselves top of the heap at the halfway point of the season and only the most partisan fan would argue it isn't deserved. Let's hope things stay that way in the second half of the year and we finally get to see our beloved Reds not only SS winners, but MLS Cup Champions at the end of the year when the plump female warbles her tune...

Onwards and upwards :scarf:

flatpicker
06-23-2017, 09:55 PM
I love watching Vasquez play.
Great hustle.
Great vision.
Reads the play well.
Terrific passes.
He's got some pretty nice footwork in tight spaces.

Such a good signing.
I think he's exactly what this team needed to reach the next level.

Canary10
06-23-2017, 10:03 PM
I love watching Vasquez play.
Great hustle.
Great vision.
Reads the play well.
Terrific passes.
He's got some pretty nice footwork in tight spaces.

Such a good signing.
I think he's exactly what this team needed to reach the next level.

He also made the defensive stop of the night. Probably saved a goal.

notthesun
06-23-2017, 10:12 PM
He also made the defensive stop of the night. Probably saved a goal.

Yup, I've noticed he's improved his defensive tenacity a lot over the last month. Probably a combination of better fitness and being more settled into the team. He was more or less all about offense early on, but he's responsible now when we're trying to win the ball back.

flatpicker
06-23-2017, 10:15 PM
And who would have thought that Vasquez would be tied for the team lead in combined points this far into the season?

That said, I think we all would have assumed Giovinco would be further along by this point.

flamehawk
06-23-2017, 10:29 PM
First game I missed all season.

How'd Morgan do? How'd Endoh do?

And where's Raheem Edwards?

Hamilton_Red
06-23-2017, 10:39 PM
Gio is still looking well off his best. If he get's back to his top form then we win the MLS Cup and Supporters Shield.

notthesun
06-23-2017, 11:07 PM
First game I missed all season.

How'd Morgan do? How'd Endoh do?

And where's Raheem Edwards?

Probably saving Edwards for Tuesday's game as we need to meet the Canadian quota with the starting lineup.

Kewell19
06-23-2017, 11:14 PM
That pass from Vasquez though !!!

ronzilla
06-23-2017, 11:16 PM
I'd wonder what you would do differently. Maybe not sub in Osorio, since he didn't look at his best, but who would you bring in then who is rested? Playing Jozy worked well, same with Seba.

I thought it was a good decision to change formation to the diamond and bring in Morgan.

The formation change was slightly better, but not as much as I was hoping for. I didn't disagree with the Osorio sub, even though it wasn't his best performance, and there wasn't really a better option. I have a beef with Vanney taking an insanely huge risk with Jozy and not allowing him any rest throughout the week. Bradley was also over worked and that yellow card was probably a blessing. Vanney needs to ensure his key players come first, and give them sufficient time to recover by least subbing them on/off. I would have started Hamilton and Giovinco up top, although Kurt mentioned there was some kind of rule that prevented Hamilton from playing. It's not clear to me.

Oldtimer
06-24-2017, 12:07 AM
^ all good points. It's tricky for sure, I think some managers would have gone to Montréal with a B squad and try for an away tie instead of going for the win. That would have protected against over use.

OgtheDim
06-24-2017, 06:23 AM
Montreal was always going to play a strong squad in their stadium. The key to remember in all this is the Dallas game is the least important one of this stretch. As such, TFC will give it everything Tuesday night.

******

A few thoughts

I've never felt so relieved at goal as that Giovinco one. NER should have tied us numerous times

That was a stone cold penalty on Jozy in the first half. VAR will solve that.

Endoh & Hernandez against Fagundez was dangerous and we got away with it a few times. Endoh was OK and released wide was decent but his passing still isn't what it was last season.

Cooper was a non factor defensively. I know some people thought Cooper was great but he still gives the ball away and doesn't pass it quick enough.
Remind me to tell all the Canadian pundits who whine about Canadians in the Voyageurs that we subbed on 3 Canadians to seal a win. :canada:

Osorio did enough, the harrassing in the middle allowed Cheyou to sit deeper.

Vasquez & Cheyrou turned and ran at their D mids many many times. NER has a lot of stuff going forward but in defence, they got not much at all.

NER wasn't as hacking as DCU but the clutching and grabbing without giving up a foul in this league is getting NHL like. Persistent infringements are not getting yellows early enough.

I don't get what Altidore's yellow was for - I suppose dissent but that's just stupid MLS refereeing. I know people say its the same level as everywhere else but I seriously think the refs are going through some mind issues before VAR comes in. They are ALL far more unsettled then they were at this point last season.

Seba's touch still off but GOSH he needed that goal and took it well. Vasquez pass was sublime. But Cheyrou's clearance was something else - strength by the old guy at the end of a long game.

The amount of people up in the top section of the East is getting impressive - it looks more full then the bottom East. Now if only they could get into the chants more like the West is starting to.


Oh, and I love my PRIDE scarf.

Canary10
06-24-2017, 07:02 AM
Montreal was always going to play a strong squad in their stadium. The key to remember in all this is the Dallas game is the least important one of this stretch. As such, TFC will give it everything Tuesday night.

******

A few thoughts

I've never felt so relieved at goal as that Giovinco one. NER should have tied us numerous times

That was a stone cold penalty on Jozy in the first half. VAR will solve that.

Endoh & Hernandez against Fagundez was dangerous and we got away with it a few times. Endoh was OK and released wide was decent but his passing still isn't what it was last season.

Cooper was a non factor defensively. I know some people thought Cooper was great but he still gives the ball away and doesn't pass it quick enough.
Remind me to tell all the Canadian pundits who whine about Canadians in the Voyageurs that we subbed on 3 Canadians to seal a win. :canada:

Osorio did enough, the harrassing in the middle allowed Cheyou to sit deeper.

Vasquez & Cheyrou turned and ran at their D mids many many times. NER has a lot of stuff going forward but in defence, they got not much at all.

NER wasn't as hacking as DCU but the clutching and grabbing without giving up a foul in this league is getting NHL like. Persistent infringements are not getting yellows early enough.

I don't get what Altidore's yellow was for - I suppose dissent but that's just stupid MLS refereeing. I know people say its the same level as everywhere else but I seriously think the refs are going through some mind issues before VAR comes in. They are ALL far more unsettled then they were at this point last season.

Seba's touch still off but GOSH he needed that goal and took it well. Vasquez pass was sublime. But Cheyrou's clearance was something else - strength by the old guy at the end of a long game.

The amount of people up in the top section of the East is getting impressive - it looks more full then the bottom East. Now if only they could get into the chants more like the West is starting to.


Oh, and I love my PRIDE scarf.

Agree about Cheyrou. The easy play there was to clear it right away. He muscled it up and was able to get it up the line instead, started the whole thing.

Resigning Cheyrou was hugely important. He doesn't have Bradley's engine obviously but he does have his passing ability, calmness and leadership in the middle of the pitch. Knowing Bradley would be missing games, having that back up has been really important.

If NE had some defense they'd be in our half of the table. They have a lot of dangerous forwards.

Initial B
06-24-2017, 07:56 AM
I was on tenterhooks for most of the game, and finally exhaled with Seba's goal. The guys weren't their best, which was understandable since some of them were on 47 hours rest. Take the points and move forward.

Davenport
06-24-2017, 09:39 AM
Agree about Cheyrou. The easy play there was to clear it right away. He muscled it up and was able to get it up the line instead, started the whole thing.

Resigning Cheyrou was hugely important. He doesn't have Bradley's engine obviously but he does have his passing ability, calmness and leadership in the middle of the pitch. Knowing Bradley would be missing games, having that back up has been really important.

If NE had some defense they'd be in our half of the table. They have a lot of dangerous forwards.


Vasquez and Giovinco are real quality. Cheyrou is still a very good, wise player. This league suits Altidore, his awareness and skill isn't there but his strength alone gets him by.

Endoh, Chapman and Osorio (sorry, I know the last 2 are Canadian) are very lucky to be paid to play football.

NE have a pretty good midfield, but struggle up top and at the back - where it matters.

Thomas
06-24-2017, 10:06 AM
Mavinga is impressing me these recent days. Cooper was less than perfect, but he was much better. Josy had a great game, and Vasquez was sublime. Osario does nothing for me.

ManUtd4ever
06-24-2017, 10:26 AM
The passing sequence that led to the second goal was simply world class. We are very fortunate to have a squad with so much talent.

noimpactinmtl
06-24-2017, 10:42 AM
Bono- 8.5

Hernandez- 7.1

Moor- 7.8

Mavinga- 8.1

Endoh- 6.8 (better performance relative to his disastrous starts earlier, but mostly because NER directed their point of attack to the right side (Morrows side)

Cooper- 7.0 (finally got the message to not force the issue, still figuring out the balance between dribbling and passing to the open option)

Vazquez- 8.6

Cheyrou- 7.7

Morrow- 8.4

Altidore- 7.9 (clearly gassed around the 80 minute)

Giovinco- 7.2 (late goal aside and defensive work rate, missed a few chances and first touch was off for much of the match).

MOTM- Vazquez (kept the attack moving, pressed well and provided passing options that overwhelmed the Revs midfield early before the short rest became a factor)

Derko
06-24-2017, 11:43 AM
Mavinga is impressing me these recent days. Cooper was less than perfect, but he was much better. Josy had a great game, and Vasquez was sublime. Osario does nothing for me.

Agreed

paul-collins
06-24-2017, 12:11 PM
Bono- 8.5

Hernandez- 7.1

Moor- 7.8

Mavinga- 8.1

Endoh- 6.8 (better performance relative to his disastrous starts earlier, but mostly because NER directed their point of attack to the right side (Morrows side)

Cooper- 7.0 (finally got the message to not force the issue, still figuring out the balance between dribbling and passing to the open option)

Vazquez- 8.6

Cheyrou- 7.7

Morrow- 8.4

Altidore- 7.9 (clearly gassed around the 80 minute)

Giovinco- 7.2 (late goal aside and defensive work rate, missed a few chances and first touch was off for much of the match).

MOTM- Vazquez (kept the attack moving, pressed well and provided passing options that overwhelmed the Revs midfield early before the short rest became a factor)

cant agree with Hernandez being higher ranked than Endoh. He looked lost. I also thought this was one of Morrow's weaker games. His decision making was spotty.

I would also rank Mavinga higher. He was the MOTM for me.

C.Ronaldo
06-24-2017, 04:40 PM
1) Cheyrou is a footballing genius. He reads the game 3 plays ahead of everyone else

2) mavinga has to be the most athletic CB in the league

3) plz end the endoh wingback experiment

4) Osorio has lost something, but at the same time can shut down a game extremely well coming off the bench

5) cooper still not good enough but there was improvement

C.Ronaldo
06-24-2017, 04:43 PM
Cheyrou's vision and ability to read the entire play was even more mind blowing.

TheGoodson
06-24-2017, 09:39 PM
Osorio is falling behind as he is what he is.... not good enough offensively, average at best defensively and not very athletic for this team. As TFC improved the talent in the midfield, he is becoming an option off the bench like Johnson did at the end of last year. Except now there is more completion on the bench with cooper and cheyrou

ronzilla
06-24-2017, 09:49 PM
How exactly does one game sum up a players season or career?

MightyDM
06-24-2017, 10:10 PM
Osorio is falling behind as he is what he is.... not good enough offensively, average at best defensively and not very athletic for this team. As TFC improved the talent in the midfield, he is becoming an option off the bench like Johnson did at the end of last year. Except now there is more completion on the bench with cooper and cheyrou

boy I see this differently. Osorio is very skilled technically, and does whatever he is asked, well. Yes, Bradley and Basquez are another class, but Oso has skill commitment and hustle. He has earned his minutes against some tough competition. Plus he bleeds red. We should be celebrating him.

TheGoodson
06-24-2017, 10:11 PM
How exactly does one game sum up a players season or career?

It's not just one game... I'm just saying that his days as an automatic starter or imo first guy off the bench on this team is done. He still is a decent player, useful in some instances but to expect for him to develop into more than what he is not very realistic

We as sports fan always seem to over value our own players in all sports and it is no different for TFC players. imo due to him being Canadian and a hometown boy his flaws get down played and his "potential" gets overly hyped

TheGoodson
06-24-2017, 10:17 PM
boy I see this differently. Osorio is very skilled technically, and does whatever he is asked, well. Yes, Bradley and Basquez are another class, but Oso has skill commitment and hustle. He has earned his minutes against some tough competition. Plus he bleeds red. We should be celebrating him.

I'm not questioning his commitment to this team or doing what is aksed. Question you said "He is very technically skilled" compared to who is my question. I think on a top mls club he is at best a bench guy that is all

ensco
06-24-2017, 10:52 PM
Osorio has everything except a good final touch. He is way above average depth, and would start every game for 10 MLS teams.

Richard
06-25-2017, 12:21 AM
Its no surprise to see Osorio playing time limited, the league has improved a lot the past few years and TFC is a stacked team comparatively to the rest of MLS.

Auzzy
06-25-2017, 05:35 AM
Osorio has everything except a good final touch. He is way above average depth, and would start every game for 10 MLS teams.

I think it's more than that. I think his biggest problem is hesitation, perhaps linked to lack of confidence. I wonder if a change of scenery might do him good. He almost always waits too long, before both passing and shooting. As a result he often limits his chances and kills plays. The strange thing is, I remember a few seasons ago (not sure how long), Osario was one of a few TFC players who could often do one-touch passing, but that seems to have disappeared for him.

Now Bradley is another player who sometimes waits a while. The difference is that Bradley has better long-range passing skills than Osorio, so the wait is often worth it. Also Bradley usually has the strength to power through if he gets pressured. Osorio doesn't, so often has to revert to passing backward or other negative play after waiting too long. If and when he finally gets a shot off, they are often weak. I think he theoretically has plenty of power for shooting (and passing), but somehow he overthinks it these days and chokes.

I think Osario has decent skill, and has a role to play on the team, but he never grew into the real playmaking or secondary scoring threat that they were hoping for him. In fact I think he regressed. I feel much of it may be mental. Maybe he needs a new psychologist or something like that.

Derko
06-25-2017, 08:47 AM
boy I see this differently. Osorio is very skilled technically, and does whatever he is asked, well. Yes, Bradley and Basquez are another class, but Oso has skill commitment and hustle. He has earned his minutes against some tough competition. Plus he bleeds red. We should be celebrating him.

He is a very good squad, grinder type player player in rotation with the team we have, he is skilled and does bleed red, but I honestly feel his confidence has for some reason dropped. He is almost afraid to strike the ball, and is over thinking it, when he puts his laces through the ball he can score, that's what I have seen in the past 2 years

ensco
06-25-2017, 09:10 AM
We have a first place team, but for some reason are going after reserves these days, because they have "holes in their game".

It's picking fly shit out of pepper. It can be done, but really, is it worth it?

Osorio is fine, and is contributing to wins. He's not a world class player, but he is a very nice MLS player.

C.Ronaldo
06-26-2017, 09:04 AM
He is a very good squad, grinder type player player in rotation with the team we have, he is skilled and does bleed red, but I honestly feel his confidence has for some reason dropped. He is almost afraid to strike the ball, and is over thinking it, when he puts his laces through the ball he can score, that's what I have seen in the past 2 years

I don't think its a complete coincidence that Vanney brings him on to close out games. Osorio is well above avg in retaining possession, and this is a very useful tool to have on your bench

Canary10
06-26-2017, 10:22 AM
We have a first place team, but for some reason are going after reserves these days, because they have "holes in their game".

It's picking fly shit out of pepper. It can be done, but really, is it worth it?

Osorio is fine, and is contributing to wins. He's not a world class player, but he is a very nice MLS player.

Ha ha, well put.

Derko
06-26-2017, 10:39 AM
We have a first place team, but for some reason are going after reserves these days, because they have "holes in their game".

It's picking fly shit out of pepper. It can be done, but really, is it worth it?

Osorio is fine, and is contributing to wins. He's not a world class player, but he is a very nice MLS player.

I suppose I would just love to see him score a few more goals, for his own sake that's all.

Gazza_55
06-26-2017, 12:07 PM
Championship DNA shining through today. We were completely gassed by the 70th minute. Great organization and hustle when we needed it to keep them out. Fantastic for Giovinco to score at the end.

Can't believe Altidore played the whole game but we probably don't win without him and I think Vanney knew that. He was huge. Great games from Moor, Mavinga and Bono too. Cooper with a good bounce-back performance as well. This was probably one of the more difficult wins we pick up this year, gotta feel damn good for the team.

Vanney got the line-up and tactical decisions spot on. Especially the call on Altidore. Gutsy performance by him and the entire squad.

I wonder what Vanney is going to do for Tuesday with Morrow out due to the call-up?