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OgtheDim
06-07-2017, 04:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VlGyMG0ksg

Note the time change


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Have At it People

SoccMan2
06-07-2017, 07:10 PM
Why the time change?

sn0re
06-07-2017, 07:46 PM
Why the time change?

My guess would be that TSN influenced the time change. Dunno why tho.

OgtheDim
06-08-2017, 05:51 AM
My guess would be that TSN influenced the time change. Dunno why tho.

Golf - US Open

Derko
06-08-2017, 06:02 AM
Golf - US Open

Well it could have been curling

Canary10
06-08-2017, 09:47 AM
Well it could have been curling

In my view, golf is curling with sticks and grass.

TFC Tifoso
06-08-2017, 10:12 AM
In my view, golf is curling with sticks and grass.

curling is bocce on ice lol...

C.Ronaldo
06-08-2017, 10:33 AM
curling is bocce on ice lol...

bocce is poor mans lawn bowling.

and lawn bowling is outdoor billiards

molenshtain
06-08-2017, 01:00 PM
and bocce ball in turn is of course just a poor man's version of Horseshoes.

cincy
06-08-2017, 03:46 PM
Crokinole is where it's at

StokeciTFC
06-08-2017, 07:35 PM
My vote goes to Ben & Jerry's.

flatpicker
06-09-2017, 07:22 AM
My vote goes to Ben & Jerry's.

Thanks for bringing this back to ice cream.
You have made me proud.

Graeme
06-09-2017, 07:53 AM
Do we have Altidore & Bradley back for this game? (fingers crossed)

OgtheDim
06-09-2017, 11:40 AM
The Mexican game is on Tuesday. So yes they are back. There is some talk of squad rotation for the USMNT in Mexico so Jozy might not start that game.

We play 4 games in 9 days. Jozy might be on the bench vs. DCU to get in some rest, in order to play in Montreal.

Areathrasher
06-09-2017, 11:52 AM
The US Mexico game is Sunday not Tuesday

OgtheDim
06-09-2017, 12:08 PM
Ooops....Canadian focused. :canada:

Fort York Redcoat
06-09-2017, 12:56 PM
Ooops....Canadian focused. :canada:

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ag futbol
06-09-2017, 02:55 PM
The Mexican game is on Tuesday. So yes they are back. There is some talk of squad rotation for the USMNT in Mexico so Jozy might not start that game.

We play 4 games in 9 days. Jozy might be on the bench vs. DCU to get in some rest, in order to play in Montreal.
Again? This is just stupid.

The scheduling this year is attrocious.

Yohan
06-09-2017, 05:32 PM
No one said to compete in V Cup...

Derko
06-10-2017, 10:02 AM
I hate the International break week, sigh!!!!

Section_105
06-12-2017, 08:23 AM
And the really fucked up part of all of this is 2 days between Montreal and NE....it would have been 3 had we played Vancouver but Montreal has some issue with the Tuesday night...no idea what it is since their last game will be this saturday. so Montreal gets some sort of dispensation there and we get screwed. We'll need to play 10 defenders from the academy and go for Nil Nil or 1 nil and then take it at home in order to survive for New England (who need to be thoroughly destroyed to wipe away the stench of that last game). Harsh but it's monday morning and it's all I have : )

Areathrasher
06-12-2017, 08:53 AM
If my math is right and he plays, it'll be Bradley's 100th* game for TFC on Sat.

(all comps - league, playoffs, Voyageurs Cup)

OgtheDim
06-12-2017, 11:04 AM
No one said to compete in V Cup...


Its Montreal.

They will be gunning for us bad. Not only because of last November but their modus operandi in cups is to go big at home with their full squad.

reggie
06-12-2017, 02:26 PM
jozy only played 15 min last night.and MB is MB,i expect them both 2 play saturday,and remember mtl is basically in the same situation has us.the play 4 games in the next 9 or 10 days,so we will have some bench players on both sides for the V CUP.

Graeme
06-13-2017, 07:26 AM
--------------------------Bono-------------------------
--Beitashour--Zavaleta--Moor--Mavinga--Morrow--
---------------Delgado------------Bradley------------
-----------------------Vasquez------------------------
-------Giovinco----------------Altidore---------------

Subs: Irwin, Hernandez, Chapman, Osorio, Edwards, Hamilton?, Endoh?

OgtheDim
06-13-2017, 08:15 AM
The full best 11 - I like it.

Captain
06-13-2017, 02:24 PM
--------------------------Bono-------------------------
--Beitashour--Zavaleta--Moor--Mavinga--Morrow--
---------------Delgado------------Bradley------------
-----------------------Vasquez------------------------
-------Giovinco----------------Altidore---------------

Subs: Irwin, Hernandez, Chapman, Osorio, Edwards, Hamilton?, Endoh?

Do the Canadians have to start the game or just be in the 18?

Section_105
06-13-2017, 03:35 PM
Do the Canadians have to start the game or just be in the 18?

The Canuck quotient is only for Vcup games. In MLS we can be fully unpatriotic......with one hecking awesome team.

OgtheDim
06-13-2017, 06:11 PM
FWIW, Edwards starts for the CanMNT tonight. Osorio on the bench.

Jay_j88
06-13-2017, 08:58 PM
Off topic but, if you haven't picked up your scarf yet can we expect to be able to this weekend @ Shoeless Joe's?

Blindside16
06-14-2017, 12:16 AM
If my math is right and he plays, it'll be Bradley's 100th* game for TFC on Sat.

(all comps - league, playoffs, Voyageurs Cup)

I came up with the same number as well. It should/will be his 100th cap.

OgtheDim
06-14-2017, 11:08 AM
For those wondering what DCU has been up to


https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jun/14/christos-fc-pub-league-dc-united-us-open-cup

Canary10
06-14-2017, 12:05 PM
I think Giovinco still hasn't really gotten going yet this year. Would be nice to have a good break out game for him. Any thoughts on how he's going to do?

Derko
06-15-2017, 05:54 AM
TFC have to take this match seriously with Chicago only 1 point behind. 8:00 pm game time, Saturday crowd with no other distractions, Champions League, F(uck) A(ll) cup out of the way,
the Blue Jay Slo-Pitch game will be finished as well. Supporters should be in full form. Time for a goal scoring spree by Seba, Jozy and Victor. 4-0 for the good guys:canada::megaphone::drum::scarf::drinking:

Detroit_TFC
06-15-2017, 08:40 AM
TFC's form after breaks hasn't been that great but DCU is straight garbage right now. This should be a W and perhaps a chance to gain some GD.

molenshtain
06-15-2017, 10:22 AM
I'm enjoying the idea of Jared Jaffrey or Rob Vincent trying to track Vazquez all over the field.

We're better than D.C. at pretty much every position. Should 'dub on them pretty easily.

Joe Kool
06-15-2017, 10:26 AM
Every time I read preview articles on MLS club sites and they often mention about taking advantage of TFC's "suspect defense" or something similar. It really really annoys me. We have one of the best goals against in the league. We used to have suspect defense a long time ago so I think these stupid American journos are just regurgitating the same line without paying attention to current form. Yeah defensively the team had a stinker last game but TFC's defense is in no way "suspect" in my opinion.

Red CB Toronto
06-15-2017, 10:48 AM
Sorry I will be missing this, best man duties for my brother's wedding are calling ( : , the Reds really need to take advantage of taking on a crap team right now in DCU. The General is coming off the high of that epic goal down in Mexico City. I have a good feeling about this match. The Reds just need to do their thing.

nonc
06-15-2017, 11:15 AM
I'd like to put our keeper in fantasy but I never know who is starting anymore!!

molenshtain
06-15-2017, 11:18 AM
Think it's safe to say Bono is our #1 and Clint gets cup games and the odd league start when we have a congested schedule.

Bono starting to show why he was invited to USMNT camp while still in University. I think he's in good shape to be in contention for caps soon.

JayMolly
06-16-2017, 10:01 AM
Every time I read preview articles on MLS club sites and they often mention about taking advantage of TFC's "suspect defense" or something similar. It really really annoys me. We have one of the best goals against in the league. We used to have suspect defense a long time ago so I think these stupid American journos are just regurgitating the same line without paying attention to current form. Yeah defensively the team had a stinker last game but TFC's defense is in no way "suspect" in my opinion.

We agree J K.
J&M

Marauder2
06-16-2017, 11:33 AM
Can anyone recommend some good parking locations? I'm thinking $10 and fairly easy to exit after the game. Thanks!

Canary10
06-16-2017, 11:40 AM
Can anyone recommend some good parking locations? I'm thinking $10 and fairly easy to exit after the game. Thanks!

Liberty Village. The Metro parking lot is fairly cheap, and even better is the street parking if you can find one of those spots.

MightyDM
06-16-2017, 12:18 PM
Can anyone recommend some good parking locations? I'm thinking $10 and fairly easy to exit after the game. Thanks!

Your call but GO train, King Car and Dufferin bus are all far better options than driving, particularly post game

OgtheDim
06-16-2017, 12:29 PM
Your call but GO train, King Car and Dufferin bus are all far better options than driving, particularly post game

Especially in that area after 10 pm.

My suggestion would be park at the building at Lisgar & Sudbury. $10 and a 10 minute walk from Liberty Village. And very easy to go north through the city via Dovercourt.

Captain
06-16-2017, 01:03 PM
Sorry I will be missing this, best man duties for my brother's wedding are calling ( : , the Reds really need to take advantage of taking on a crap team right now in DCU. The General is coming off the high of that epic goal down in Mexico City. I have a good feeling about this match. The Reds just need to do their thing.

I always find that Bradley seems disinterested in TFC games after he's been away with the US National team. It's like he's emotionally worm out after being away and goes through a slump. Hopefully he can keep playing with high intensity.

Canary10
06-16-2017, 01:58 PM
I always find that Bradley seems disinterested in TFC games after he's been away with the US National team. It's like he's emotionally worm out after being away and goes through a slump. Hopefully he can keep playing with high intensity.

Well, playing in Mexico City will knock you on your ass in many ways. But he sure seemed fired up today, so let's hope we get high intensity Michael tomorrow.

Marauder2
06-16-2017, 02:00 PM
Especially in that area after 10 pm.

My suggestion would be park at the building at Lisgar & Sudbury. $10 and a 10 minute walk from Liberty Village. And very easy to go north through the city via Dovercourt.

Thanks everyone for the suggestions. I'm coming from KW with someone so Go Train gets to be pretty long and expensive having to get on in Burlington.

flatpicker
06-16-2017, 03:36 PM
Can anyone recommend some good parking locations? I'm thinking $10 and fairly easy to exit after the game. Thanks!

The best way to get to the game.

http://cyclepalooza.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/51a9133d805d2.jpg

Richard
06-16-2017, 05:10 PM
The best way to get to the game.

http://cyclepalooza.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/51a9133d805d2.jpg


Lol. :smilielol5:

Detroit_TFC
06-16-2017, 08:04 PM
I hate that I'm nervous about this game. I guess I will be until TFC is 3 up on them. 10 yrs of history on my mind.

OgtheDim
06-16-2017, 08:59 PM
Hmm....40% chance of rain, likely thunderstorms, around game time. Might be a long night.

CBTFC
06-17-2017, 08:02 AM
Hmm....40% chance of rain, likely thunderstorms, around game time. Might be a long night.

If anything, that just means it'll be similar to what we experienced last night. Quick and strong/severe passing thunderstorm, which will roll across a small pocket of the city. Will just have to keep tabs on hourly forecast and live radar :)

https://www.theweathernetwork.com/ca/hourly-weather-forecast/ontario/south-parkdale

ronzilla
06-17-2017, 08:40 AM
I find that the Yahoo weather app is the most accurate forecast and they're calling for overcast skies at kickoff. No rain.

shwade
06-17-2017, 10:57 AM
Can anyone recommend some good parking locations? I'm thinking $10 and fairly easy to exit after the game. Thanks!

Direct energy garage isn't bad at all. I leave the stadium at final whistle, sometimes a couple mind before, and it doesn't take that long to exit the garage at all - you just have to beat the rush.

ChrisFizik
06-17-2017, 12:56 PM
Off topic but, if you haven't picked up your scarf yet can we expect to be able to this weekend @ Shoeless Joe's?

Yes! See you there!

PizzaEatingYeti
06-17-2017, 01:39 PM
TFC is considered a huge favorite by the bookmakers.

This is from 5 Dimes:

TFC win odds: -238 (if you wager $100, you get back $142.02)
Draw odds: +401 (if you wager $100, you get back $501)
Washington win odds: +744

TFC win Asian Handicap -1 odds: -137

:scarf:

PizzaEatingYeti
06-17-2017, 01:41 PM
Feeling nervous about this one.
Because it looks too easy for a TFC win.

OgtheDim
06-17-2017, 02:35 PM
The current monsoon is supposed to be done by 5 then its clear on till midnight and beyond.

GerMc
06-17-2017, 02:53 PM
The current monsoon is supposed to be done by 5 then its clear on till midnight and beyond.

Tornado warning...I hope you are right Og, that it clears up before the game!

CBTFC
06-17-2017, 03:07 PM
Tornado warning...I hope you are right Og, that it clears up before the game!

Yep this is the main system for the day, moving over the city currently.

Not much after 5pm/5:30pm, back to hot and swazzy weather.

C'mon You Reds!

ag futbol
06-17-2017, 03:35 PM
Feeling nervous about this one.
Because it looks too easy for a TFC win.
I think these guys come out a little bit hungry. They are a little peeved by an shitty schedule and a 3-0 result against the Revs 2 weeks ago.

Redcoe15
06-17-2017, 03:41 PM
Well rested and ready to avenge their loss against the New England Plastic Carpet Dwellers by going up against a less than impressive DC United. I say:

http://www.rebelparkradio.fm/app/uploads/2015/10/Bring-It-On.png

OgtheDim
06-17-2017, 03:48 PM
Tornado warning...I hope you are right Og, that it clears up before the game!

Yeah, apparently that happened right over my head up here in North York. Clearing now and reports from around Kitchener indicate sun coming out.

molenshtain
06-17-2017, 03:50 PM
Been a while since we've seen the boys play. Quite excited for this one.

Couchy81
06-17-2017, 04:41 PM
I'm pumped let's do this.

InSuL1nImP
06-17-2017, 05:37 PM
If anybody can post stream links it would be much appreciated.

CBTFC
06-17-2017, 05:39 PM
Hot, summery 8pm Saturday night kickoff. I'm expecting a good, proper up for it crowd that'll give it an upbeat atmosphere.

We've all suffered through enough cold, driving rain games.

PizzaEatingYeti
06-17-2017, 06:25 PM
If anybody can post stream links it would be much appreciated.

This!

mowe
06-17-2017, 06:35 PM
--------------------------Bono-------------------------
--Beitashour--Zavaleta--Moor--Mavinga--Morrow--
---------------Delgado------------Bradley------------
-----------------------Vasquez------------------------
-------Giovinco----------------Altidore---------------

Subs: Irwin, Hernandez, Chapman, Osorio, Edwards, Hamilton?, Endoh?

Right on the money. Only thing different is Cheyrou as a sub instead of Endoh.

daner90
06-17-2017, 06:48 PM
I can't understand playing Delgado over Edwards. Edwards has proven his ability to be a gamechanger down the wing and we leave him on the bench?

ensco
06-17-2017, 06:51 PM
I can't understand playing Delgado over Edwards. Edwards has proven his ability to be a gamechanger down the wing and we leave him on the bench?

Edwards mailed it in against Ottawa. Vanney is making the kid understand what that means.

MightyDM
06-17-2017, 06:56 PM
Delagdo and Edwards are playing different positions. It's Morrow over Edwards or possibly Altidore over Edwards. Delgado is preferred to Osorio and it looks like Cooper is on his way out.

Chubbs
06-17-2017, 07:15 PM
If anybody can post stream links it would be much appreciated.

Youtube stream here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3aE629NQPI

PizzaEatingYeti
06-17-2017, 07:20 PM
Youtube stream here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3aE629NQPI

Thanks!

Jay_j88
06-17-2017, 07:46 PM
Is everyone at the game? In at shoeless Joe's and it's dead...

PizzaEatingYeti
06-17-2017, 08:16 PM
After this half I would be very happy if this game ends with 1-0 for TFC.
But for this around the DC goal the final touch needs to be better with a class.
Otherwise we can have 2 full games, and will be still 0-0, or... worst DC will steal the win on a counter.

ag futbol
06-17-2017, 08:16 PM
They need to bring Edwards on. It's the extra attacking threat we need out wide to stretch their defence. Few nervy moments out there but we've responded well for the most part.

daner90
06-17-2017, 08:39 PM
How the f have we not scored, so many chances!

Jay_j88
06-17-2017, 08:43 PM
How the f have we not scored, so many chances!

Lol your wish has been granted

Richard
06-17-2017, 09:00 PM
Whats with the long balls from Bradley, he needs to stop that. Let Vasquaze do the creating.

pdubs
06-17-2017, 09:04 PM
We should have a half dozen goals lol.

pdubs
06-17-2017, 09:08 PM
Jay Hams FTW

tfcfans
06-17-2017, 09:11 PM
Good to get the necessary 3 points to start this busy stretch as next Friday could be interesting if we load up for Montreal a few days before and no Bradley now against NE either......

PizzaEatingYeti
06-17-2017, 09:35 PM
Bradley great in defense as usual, but has wasted 80% of his long passes forward today.
He should construct way less, and let Victor do that.

I'm very happy for Hamilton scoring again.
The kid has much quality, and he's very good with his head, specially from that area.

Seba is still off compared to the top form of himself, it's almost the middle of season, and so far he never got really going.
Are we going to see the real Seba for at least 4 games in row this year?

Mavinga - great game, he was rock solid at the back.
To get out from defense with constructive passes = very much not his strength, but we should not expect that from him, we have others to do that.

Very valuable victory...
Chicago is coming strong and furious.

The score conform to what happened on the field should have been 3-0.
But no way more than 3 goals difference between TFC and DC today.
For long stretches of the game seemed cvasi-total TFC dominance, but how many clear cut chances we had? Not that many.

shwade
06-17-2017, 09:48 PM
This team has swagger and I love it!

General Woolfe
06-17-2017, 09:53 PM
Not our most sparkling performance, but a valuable three points nevertheless. I feel it was important to send Chicago a message that we won't give up the top spot without a fight. Also very pleasing to see us grind out a win that in seasons past would have resulted in dropped points. Bradley was once again making a difference with his defensive presence it's just a pity he didn't take a yellow before International duty. We could well miss his presence next Friday. I thought Mavinga was really dominant at the back tonight and probably our MOTM. Vazquez had one of his quieter nights but still showed up as our best attacking threat. If there is a downer tonight it is that Seba is still struggling to find the form we know he possesses, despite his two assists. We can only hope he plays out of this slump and hits his true form right on time for the playoffs.

...onwards and upwards :scarf:

OgtheDim
06-17-2017, 09:58 PM
That ref was.... self absorbed.

MightyDM
06-17-2017, 10:17 PM
That ref was.... self absorbed.

Well played.

How, on the evidence of that match, do we end up with our four best players getting cards, three of the, for retaliation after he missed clear calls.

however, those players need to be spoken to. Even Seba should sit after having a tantrum.

Canary10
06-17-2017, 10:23 PM
We were all over them for most of the match. The fear of Bradley's let-down after a tough match in Mexico City never happened. He was dominant. So glad to see Hamilton make his mark. I thought we looked like a top team in this league tonight. Support was in top form too. It was loud tonight.

PizzaEatingYeti
06-17-2017, 10:34 PM
How, on the evidence of that match, do we end up with our four best players getting cards, three of the, for retaliation after he missed clear calls.
however, those players need to be spoken to. Even Seba should sit after having a tantrum.

This fukker dictated handball against Altidore on a LOT less evident handball than the one which should have been a clear TFC penalty.

But even with all these mistakes, let's be honest, we've seen a lot worst MLS officiating.

Our players are clearly guilty for taking all those useless retaliation yellows.
Vanney should make this a strong talking point in the dressing room.
WTF, they acted like kids with almost zero competition experience.

notthesun
06-17-2017, 10:45 PM
Bradley is unmatched in MLS in terms of his defensive coverage in midfield. Absolutely tireless and he reads the game so well. Been a little while since I was able to get out to a game, but watching live in person you really appreciate what he does even more. He just shuts down the middle of the pitch.

Oldtimer
06-17-2017, 10:54 PM
Bradley is unmatched in MLS in terms of his defensive coverage in midfield. Absolutely tireless and he reads the game so well. Been a little while since I was able to get out to a game, but watching live in person you really appreciate what he does even more. He just shuts down the middle of the pitch.

I was pointing out that very thing to my buddy tonight. Bradley is solid.

Canary10
06-17-2017, 10:57 PM
Bradley was great tonight. And he's an excellent passer.

Canary10
06-17-2017, 11:02 PM
And anyone that doubts his passing should take another look at that set piece (think it was a corner) where he floated that ball into space on the anticipation someone was running in on it. That was sweet.

PawTar711
06-17-2017, 11:12 PM
I thought this game was good, in general, it was nice to see Bradley and Giovinco (spelling?) back from their international duties. I thought that the roster outside of them did pretty well too, Osario coming in as a late substitute is a great idea because he's strong and provides that coverage, and Altidore's strike was great to do and was hot to see, in general the players can play with better pace between sections, and maybe learn to pass with exact power more, not saying its that bad, but in general, it was a pretty good game, alot of bouncy play out and through midfield, but we were able to take the open sections properly, and go inside diagonally, Giovinco had a few good selections, but we need to get more involved with him if were to make him score more, like he was in the recent past, and he will do better and so will the team, Bradley should run faster with the ball too, but in General we are in first, and thing's are looking good if we can get through cottage season!

Hugh Jazz
06-17-2017, 11:13 PM
I really liked Delgado's performance tonight on top of the others mentioned. He had a couple nice moments on the ball and was tidy both sides of the pitch.

molenshtain
06-17-2017, 11:22 PM
Delgado continues to grow into his role as a locked down starter beside Bradley. Really nice to see the kid grow. He's flying under the radar but I think by the time he's 27-28-29 he'll be getting USMNT looks.

Same with Bono - though his time may come sooner rather than later. When he's locked in the guy just doesn't make mistakes.

mauser09
06-17-2017, 11:24 PM
Great win tonight for the boys in red! On a side note, I left my TFC sweater at the game and someone picked it up. I was section 111 row 9 seat 8, if anyone on here has it I can come pick it up from you, thanks!

kodiakTFC
06-17-2017, 11:47 PM
Mavinga was superb. MVP of the first half for sure.

TFC1154ever
06-18-2017, 01:25 AM
^ No one really talks about it, but his passing is really bad. It hasn't costed us yet, but some of the games he's played in, the other team let us off the hook after he gave the ball away in bad areas

molenshtain
06-18-2017, 01:39 AM
^ No one really talks about it, but his passing is really bad. It hasn't costed us yet, but some of the games he's played in, the other team let us off the hook after he gave the ball away in bad areas

interesting. I thought today it was really good. He sees and completes outlet passes that none of our other cb's can make.

I think it's more his decision making that gets him in trouble. he tries hard shit more than he has too. I think that's what your seeing. His actual ability to complete a variety of passes is pretty good imo. he just tries to thread the needle a little to often.

OgtheDim
06-18-2017, 05:58 AM
Bradley afterwards with some very honest heartfelt praise for Hamilton. Hamilton would start for DCU and a few other teams in this league.

ag futbol
06-18-2017, 08:57 AM
^ No one really talks about it, but his passing is really bad. It hasn't costed us yet, but some of the games he's played in, the other team let us off the hook after he gave the ball away in bad areas
Didn't think it was that bad. Zavaletta's slowness in making passing decisions back there on the other hand is a point of contention for me, as much as he's defensively solid.

Brooker
06-18-2017, 09:01 AM
Should have been 5-0 really. Can't believe that's all I can complain about.

Auzzy
06-18-2017, 09:27 AM
Bradley was once again making a difference with his defensive presence it's just a pity he didn't take a yellow before International duty. We could well miss his presence next Friday.

I agree with most of what you wrote. However I believe that if you're scheduled for an absence (e.g. playing with a national team), the missed club game won't count as the one-game ban for yellow accumulation. The ban would be enforced when you're back from international duty.

Therefore I didn't actually think it was a bad time for Bradley to take a yellow. Vanney has to rest a few guys Wed. and/or Friday anyway. Bradley can go 100% Wed. in Montreal, then take the ban & the rest on Friday vs. NE. Hopefully Delgado and Cheyrou can do the midfield job vs. NE.

The yellows against Vasquez, Altidore and Giovinco though, ugh. I realize that the ref was supremely frustrating, but those cards were dumb & useless.

I fully understand that the ref instigated the crap tough. Not handing a yellow to the DC player deliberately blocking a free kick, two steps from the spot, is unbelievable. Also the lack of early calls and cards against a few DC players for persistent or tactical fouling, that's what leads to worse things.

Here's the free kick block followed by Vasquez yellow...
https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2017-06-17-toronto-fc-vs-dc-united/details/video/107219

molenshtain
06-18-2017, 09:32 AM
I think a player had accidentally run in to the ref just as that happened^^ took him out of the game for a second. I don't think he saw the player stick his leg out.

Not to say the ref was at all good the rest of the game. His power tripping over the placement of free kicks and throw ins was particularly irritating.

KurtLarSUN
06-18-2017, 09:41 AM
Toronto FC's Giovinco again showed his annoying petulance Saturday night; Then he did what he always does. http://www.torontosun.com/2017/06/17/giovinco-shows-his-good-bad-in-win-over-dc

ensco
06-18-2017, 09:49 AM
Toronto FC's Giovinco again showed his annoying petulance Saturday night; Then he did what he always does. http://www.torontosun.com/2017/06/17/giovinco-shows-his-good-bad-in-win-over-dc

Seba definitely has on field issues but I feel this doesn't get at what is going on.

It's wasn't the call, and there isn't much point discussing that. It's repeatedly getting hacked that has him upset.

This is a league issue, it has never protected its stars.

Auzzy
06-18-2017, 10:40 AM
I think a player had accidentally run in to the ref just as that happened^^ took him out of the game for a second. I don't think he saw the player stick his leg out.

Not to say the ref was at all good the rest of the game. His power tripping over the placement of free kicks and throw ins was particularly irritating.

molenshtain watch the highlight I posted just above. A DC player had just walked past the ref, but to the ref it still should have been very clear what happened. Another DC player intercepted Vasquez's attempted pass to Altidore on the free kick. Either you give a yellow to the DC player for purposely blocking a free kick while OBVIOUSLY infringing. Or if you're not sure, or if you feel the kick wasn't setup right, you allow the kick to be retaken. https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2017-06-17-toronto-fc-vs-dc-united/details/video/107219

I'm never happy when players (especially our stars) take stupid cards. But Kurt and everyone else, watch the Giovinco yellow here: https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2017-06-17-toronto-fc-vs-dc-united/details/video/107244

DCU player first reaches back with his arm extended to block off Giovinco. Him falling is at least as much related to putting himself off-balance by reaching back at full speed like that, as anything else that happened (Giovinco pushing back, or possibly inadvertently touching his heel? There's no way "everyone in the building" would agree with Kurt's assessment of this play.

The refs petulance and inconsistency grated on everybody's nerves. I would love it if TFC could only react by getting pissed & scoring more goals, but that's not life.

Fort York Redcoat
06-18-2017, 10:42 AM
SS race continues...Jozy pots another...and JHam stepping up. Blip gone, back to winning ways in the league.

Now bring on the cup match Wednesday!

molenshtain
06-18-2017, 10:52 AM
molenshtain watch the highlight I posted just above. A DC player had just walked past the ref, but to the ref it still should have been very clear what happened. Another DC player intercepted Vasquez's attempted pass to Altidore on the free kick. Either you give a yellow to the DC player for purposely blocking a free kick while OBVIOUSLY infringing. Or if you're not sure, or if you feel the kick wasn't setup right, you allow the kick to be retaken. https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2017-06-17-toronto-fc-vs-dc-united/details/video/107219


AH, you're right. My view from my seats made it look a bit different but I suppose the ref should definitely have seen that.

ronzilla
06-18-2017, 10:52 AM
The referee was atrocious. He called 3 handballs on Jozy, yet he mysteriously missed the DC handball in the box.

The officiating in this league has reared its ugly head once again, but I'm happy to take the 3 points.

@Kurt: As for the Seb incident, players from almost every other sport have shown much worse conduct, compared to throwing a ball down in
frustration. Mountain out of a molehill.

Jpexxx
06-18-2017, 10:52 AM
You have to ask for yards from the ref, otherwise that player can stand as close as he wants.

Vasquez took a risk with a quick free kick and it back fired.

molenshtain
06-18-2017, 11:06 AM
You have to ask for yards from the ref, otherwise that player can stand as close as he wants.

Vasquez took a risk with a quick free kick and it back fired.

sort of. It gets murky when judging if he intercepted the ball or if he deliberately prevented Vazquez from taking the kick because he was too close. The former would suggest the right call, while the latter outcome would have resulted in the United player getting a caution. Ref obviously thought it was just an interception.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/assets.ngin.com/attachments/document/0005/1211/National_Assessment_12.pdf

These types of plays grant the refs a ton of options because it's such a fluid play. pretty much every time I've ever seen that type of play it results in the ref calling the play back and slowing down the game, maybe give a warning to the captains or the player who was interfering with the reset. The option the ref chose yesterday was one who was blatantly on a power trip and was trying to prove some sort of point.

OgtheDim
06-18-2017, 11:41 AM
Bono had a good game, making the one save he had to. Somebody must have told him to command the area because he was going up for everything. Heck, near the end, he went up for something out near the edge of the box. And the guy can leap.

The only thing he's lacking is his communication skills when Moor or Hernandez isn't there.

shwade
06-18-2017, 11:47 AM
Toronto FC's Giovinco again showed his annoying petulance Saturday night; Then he did what he always does. http://www.torontosun.com/2017/06/17/giovinco-shows-his-good-bad-in-win-over-dc

Probably one of the dumbest articles you've ever written. I rarely see/hear anyone complain about Seba's passion and frustration at constantly getting hacked. All the supporters around me are as equally pissed as he is by the refs willful blindness.

ag futbol
06-18-2017, 12:03 PM
Seba definitely has on field issues but I feel this doesn't get at what is going on.

It's wasn't the call, and there isn't much point discussing that. It's repeatedly getting hacked that has him upset.

This is a league issue, it has never protected its stars.
Agreed. Altidore took a boat load of abuse last night too. It's excused since he's a big guy.

It appears MLS refs let their own interpretations of the rules squeak into the officiating too often. It's not clear whether we're trying to be the SPL, Bundesliga, or something more South American in our approach. Regardless I think they'd be better served if, as you mentioned, the star players got protection and the refs kept a. Loser watch on consistent infringement.

Pretty much anywhere within 30 years you know Giovinco is going to be slaughtered.

ag futbol
06-18-2017, 12:05 PM
The referee was atrocious. He called 3 handballs on Jozy, yet he mysteriously missed the DC handball in the box.

Despite being an obvious call blowing your whistle for that takes guts, something these guys generally don't have.

Someone mentioned the ref colliding with players. I thought in general his positioning was poor. He often got in the way of passing movements or ran into the path of other players.

He was remarkably poor. It's lucky this pompous asshole didn't impact the game more.

OgtheDim
06-18-2017, 12:10 PM
Passing maps show Bradley sitting back per usual but also that they basically gave Beitashour a free pass to roam down his side. Oh, and the usual reminder that Xg doesn't really account for the consistent application of better then average skill.

If a player like Jozy or Seba get 10 chances at less Xg, they will score more often precisely because they are better finishers then most.

https://twitter.com/11tegen11/status/876355045834489856

Derko
06-18-2017, 12:10 PM
Probably one of the dumbest articles you've ever written. I rarely see/hear anyone complain about Seba's passion and frustration at constantly getting hacked. All the supporters around me are as equally pissed as he is by the refs willful blindness.

Almost like a lip service article to the as Larson put it 'Giovinco’s attitude is one Canadians — with their no-nonsense ‘play-the-right-way’ hockey mentality — struggle to comprehend.
I agree the headline does nothing for Giovinco's passion or fire for the game and the city

KurtLarSUN
06-18-2017, 12:35 PM
Probably one of the dumbest articles you've ever written. I rarely see/hear anyone complain about Seba's passion and frustration at constantly getting hacked. All the supporters around me are as equally pissed as he is by the refs willful blindness.

1) If the article is, as you say, "dumb", then you haven't done a good job justifying that argument.
2) Giovinco wasn't hacked on Saturday. He suffered two fouls over 90 minutes, one of which wasn't. Vazquez suffered more fouls on the night.
3) Accusing the referee of "willful blindness" is more a product of fan bias, in my opinion.
4) If anyone should complain about unfair treatment, it's Jozy Altidore, who's held and pulled and elbowed all over the pitch due to his size.
5) Giovinco's tendency to whine and dive is a complaint that's pretty prevalent. It's also my opinion.
6) People don't complain about Seba's passion. They complain about his numerous idiotic outbursts. But that was only half the point of the piece.

Canary10
06-18-2017, 01:01 PM
1) If the article is, as you say, "dumb", then you haven't done a good job justifying that argument.
2) Giovinco wasn't hacked on Saturday. He suffered two fouls over 90 minutes, one of which wasn't. Vazquez suffered more fouls on the night.
3) Accusing the referee of "willful blindness" is more a product of fan bias, in my opinion.
4) If anyone should complain about unfair treatment, it's Jozy Altidore, who's held and pulled and elbowed all over the pitch due to his size.
5) Giovinco's tendency to whine and dive is a complaint that's pretty prevalent. It's also my opinion.
6) People don't complain about Seba's passion. They complain about his numerous idiotic outbursts. But that was only half the point of the piece.

I think it's a fair article. I agree with you. He's lost his ability to get any borderline calls because of it.

Initial B
06-18-2017, 01:29 PM
I was a little worried as the game started, but slowly grew more comfortable as the game progressed and was actually able to enjoy it even before they scored. DCu showed some danger, but those chances were few and far between and the defence did a good job in snuffing most of those out. I feel pretty good about TFC's treble chances this year.


It's wasn't the call, and there isn't much point discussing that. It's repeatedly getting hacked that has him upset.

This is a league issue, it has never protected its stars.
I think the reason refs are reticent with calls is because they kept getting abuse from fans for all the calls LA Galaxy opponents got against themselves for so much as sneezing in Beckham's direction, which lead to accusations of favouritism from other teams in the league. Unfortunately the league has swung too far in the other direction now.


Passing maps show Bradley sitting back per usual but also that they basically gave Beitashour a free pass to roam down his side. Oh, and the usual reminder that Xg doesn't really account for the consistent application of better then average skill.
https://twitter.com/11tegen11/status/876355045834489856
What I find interesting about this is that the top performer for TFC in terms of generating xG was Giovinco, while the top XG generator for DCU was Hamid. When your goalie has the highest percentage, you know you have problems.

MightyDM
06-18-2017, 01:31 PM
molenshtain watch the highlight I posted just above. A DC player had just walked past the ref, but to the ref it still should have been very clear what happened. Another DC player intercepted Vasquez's attempted pass to Altidore on the free kick. Either you give a yellow to the DC player for purposely blocking a free kick while OBVIOUSLY infringing. Or if you're not sure, or if you feel the kick wasn't setup right, you allow the kick to be retaken. https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2017-06-17-toronto-fc-vs-dc-united/details/video/107219

I'm never happy when players (especially our stars) take stupid cards. But Kurt and everyone else, watch the Giovinco yellow here: https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2017-06-17-toronto-fc-vs-dc-united/details/video/107244

DCU player first reaches back with his arm extended to block off Giovinco. Him falling is at least as much related to putting himself off-balance by reaching back at full speed like that, as anything else that happened (Giovinco pushing back, or possibly inadvertently touching his heel? There's no way "everyone in the building" would agree with Kurt's assessment of this play.

The refs petulance and inconsistency grated on everybody's nerves. I would love it if TFC could only react by getting pissed & scoring more goals, but that's not life.

I saw these the same way you did. Even if the referee doesn't award a yellow, he has to blow it up, it's ridiculous - the player made no effort to retreat and Vasquez was entitled to take a quick one.

as for Seba, it looked live and again now that he committed no foul whatsoever, that the guy was doing a rugby style straight a match ( which is a clear foul) and fell over

MightyDM
06-18-2017, 01:35 PM
You have to ask for yards from the ref, otherwise that player can stand as close as he wants.

Vasquez took a risk with a quick free kick and it back fired.

no you don't. The player has to retreat.

MightyDM
06-18-2017, 01:42 PM
no you don't. The player has to retreat.

My bad Jpexxx, that's apparently not the rule any longer. Doesn't have to retreat but can't interfere either.

If you watch the replay he clearly interfered. The rul is a bit confusing on quick free quicks but deliberately kicking like that has to be a yellow.

MightyDM
06-18-2017, 01:44 PM
Toronto FC's Giovinco again showed his annoying petulance Saturday night; Then he did what he always does. http://www.torontosun.com/2017/06/17/giovinco-shows-his-good-bad-in-win-over-dc

Great article. Agree totally about his passion.

But: never a foul. In fact he was being fouled. Our entire section went crazy when it went against Seba and were all booing.

DinamoTFC
06-18-2017, 02:10 PM
interesting. I thought today it was really good. He sees and completes outlet passes that none of our other cb's can make.

I think it's more his decision making that gets him in trouble. he tries hard shit more than he has too. I think that's what your seeing. His actual ability to complete a variety of passes is pretty good imo. he just tries to thread the needle a little to often.

I like that he tries to find the forwards from the back line occasionally. No one else tries it.

DinamoTFC
06-18-2017, 02:13 PM
I think a player had accidentally run in to the ref just as that happened^^ took him out of the game for a second. I don't think he saw the player stick his leg out.

Not to say the ref was at all good the rest of the game. His power tripping over the placement of free kicks and throw ins was particularly irritating.

I wasn't a fan of the ref at all but I actually really liked that he forced players to take throw in and kicks from the exact spot it occurred. It's annoying watching a player move 15m from the originally throw in spot. I wish more refs stopped this.

DinamoTFC
06-18-2017, 02:17 PM
molenshtain watch the highlight I posted just above. A DC player had just walked past the ref, but to the ref it still should have been very clear what happened. Another DC player intercepted Vasquez's attempted pass to Altidore on the free kick. Either you give a yellow to the DC player for purposely blocking a free kick while OBVIOUSLY infringing. Or if you're not sure, or if you feel the kick wasn't setup right, you allow the kick to be retaken. https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2017-06-17-toronto-fc-vs-dc-united/details/video/107219

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The only thing I'll add is many refs allow you to stand in front of the ball unless u ask for 10 yards. So it's tough to say and annoying.

Thomas
06-18-2017, 02:40 PM
I saw Adrian Cann at the game.

Detroit_TFC
06-18-2017, 05:57 PM
The fact that TFC is first in the league during a period when Giovinco is in a prolonged scoring slump (or, "not playing up to previous standards," there are a few different ways to look at it) just blows my mind.

I don't know what will happen in this super packed set of games ahead but it's been an extraordinary ride so far.

MightyDM
06-18-2017, 07:29 PM
The fact that TFC is first in the league during a period when Giovinco is in a prolonged scoring slump (or, "not playing up to previous standards," there are a few different ways to look at it) just blows my mind.

I don't know what will happen in this super packed set of games ahead but it's been an extraordinary ride so far.

Yes.

Cannot play Cheyrou and Vasquez in the same midfield so it will be interesting to see what Vanney does. For me, Vasquez sits and you play Cheyrou Delgado Osorio. New England ripped our minefield apart last time. ( I meant midfield but mine field works)

MightyDM
06-18-2017, 08:05 PM
Seba definitely has on field issues but I feel this doesn't get at what is going on.

It's wasn't the call, and there isn't much point discussing that. It's repeatedly getting hacked that has him upset.

This is a league issue, it has never protected its stars.

I just watched the condensed replay, and even in that Seba has the shit kicked out of him. Perhaps some classic ubs are less agressive, but they are all patteringin themselves after the job NYFC did on Seba the first time we played them and the referee considered kicking a player not a foul, unless he went down dramatically. Isn't that the heart of the problem?

I am opposed to replays but perhaps soccer needs two referees. One at each end.

boozilla
06-19-2017, 01:15 AM
As standalone incidents our DP's got deserved yellows. Bradley's card was a professional foul.
Seba and Jozy were reactive and petulant after shitty non-calls, but should simply know better.
No biggie, but Seba does need to get his 1st touch back.

OgtheDim
06-19-2017, 05:46 AM
..but Seba does need to get his 1st touch back.

Yup....at least 3 opportunities gone because his first touch was off.

Captain
06-19-2017, 05:52 AM
It seemed to me at the time of Bradley's yellow, that he was gunning for the card. He made three or four very aggressive plays close together. A couple of them were were worthy of yellow cards.
Add that to his comments earlier this week about the schedule, makes me think he wanted to get the suspension out of the way, knowing that he was not likely to play a full game on the 21st and 23rd. If you have to get a suspension it's the right time. The team takes the least hit considering there will have to be huge squad rotation anyhow.

ronzilla
06-19-2017, 06:10 AM
Yup....at least 3 opportunities gone because his first touch was off.

Seba is the backbone of the teams offense and if hes not scoring, he is assisting on goals. That long ball to Jozy was sublime, highlight of the night.

Canary10
06-19-2017, 08:39 AM
It seemed to me at the time of Bradley's yellow, that he was gunning for the card. He made three or four very aggressive plays close together. A couple of them were were worthy of yellow cards.
Add that to his comments earlier this week about the schedule, makes me think he wanted to get the suspension out of the way, knowing that he was not likely to play a full game on the 21st and 23rd. If you have to get a suspension it's the right time. The team takes the least hit considering there will have to be huge squad rotation anyhow.

Maybe he was just pissed off, as opposed to trying to get a booking.

fergiejr
06-19-2017, 09:30 AM
It seemed to me at the time of Bradley's yellow, that he was gunning for the card. He made three or four very aggressive plays close together. A couple of them were were worthy of yellow cards.
Add that to his comments earlier this week about the schedule, makes me think he wanted to get the suspension out of the way, knowing that he was not likely to play a full game on the 21st and 23rd. If you have to get a suspension it's the right time. The team takes the least hit considering there will have to be huge squad rotation anyhow.

This is what I was thinking as well - he gets the yellow, plays both legs of the Canadian Championship and makes Vanney's decision easier for the game on the 23rd. This way he can go into the next set of games without that yellow card sitting on his shoulder.

nonc
06-19-2017, 05:30 PM
Kemp was impressive, wouldn't mind stealing him in the off-season

C.Ronaldo
06-20-2017, 09:12 AM
no you don't. The player has to retreat.

its a retake if the player gets in the way

C.Ronaldo
06-20-2017, 09:16 AM
Seba is the backbone of the teams offense and if hes not scoring, he is assisting on goals. That long ball to Jozy was sublime, highlight of the night.

agreed, he was stretching that D and midfield by moving all over the field. that pass was a rocket right on the "tape"