Match Day 15 - TFC @ New England Saturday June 3rd 730pm - Don't Look Back

[OgtheDim]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VPLOVJ0u94



Have At It People

[ensco]

I don't like to give points away but we have the luxury of being able to afford it.

I am really worried about tired, older guys getting hurt, especially on the plastic. We have just earned/added two guaranteed-to-be-physically-brutal Montreal games to the schedule in June.

Play the Ottawa leg one lineup ex Traintor, but pull Morrow. I would sit Morrow, Beitashour, Vazquez. Even if it means Endoh at fullback. (I have never been happier about the international call, would far rather that Bradley and Altidore play on grass elsewhere that day, as they will. Wish Morrow had also gotten called, as he should have been.)

[flatpicker]

http://imgc.allpostersimages.com/images/P-473-488-90/40/4032/SXDLF00Z/posters/don-t-look-back-1967.jpg

[Auzzy]

Thanks for the music Og! I'll be listening to two of my favourite albums now that you reminded me...

I agree, I'm expecting absolutely nothing from the NE game. The Revs are a hit-&-miss team, but have a very good home record (undefeated 4-0-2). With low expectations, perhaps some of the young TFC players can surprise us.

[shwade]

Thanks for the music Og! I'll be listening to two of my favourite albums now that you reminded me...

I agree, I'm expecting absolutely nothing from the NE game. The Revs are a hit-&-miss team, but have a very good home record (undefeated 4-0-2). With low expectations, perhaps some of the young TFC players can surprise us.

At least a draw just to keep the undefeated streak alive though.

[woolly]

I missed the beginning of the Ottawa game... Will Ricketts be out/injured for Saturday?

[Joe Kool]

Screw the hoping for a draw and not expecting nothing from this game talk. We can beat the Revs. I expect us to be competitive and have a decent chance at winning. I refuse to lower my expectations of this current team.

[C.Ronaldo]

seems like Big Ben and Jhams will get another shot to play

Jhams hold up play is really improving. looks like hes been hitting the weights too

[Oldtimer]

Screw the hoping for a draw and not expecting nothing from this game talk. We can beat the Revs. I expect us to be competitive and have a decent chance at winning. I refuse to lower my expectations of this current team.

Our B team can beat most MLS squads. The Revs are nothing special.

[OgtheDim]

Way Seba was talking last night, he's playing for sure. I believe we are giving them a full strength squad, running the 3-5-2 right at their less then stellar FB's.

Its an away game on turf, so anything could happen. But we go in as favourites.

[Canary10]

Is the New England turf really that bad or is this a narrative we are all buying into? I mean, all turf is bad, but theirs can't be worse than anyone else's can it?

[Auzzy]

Is the New England turf really that bad or is this a narrative we are all buying into? I mean, all turf is bad, but theirs can't be worse than anyone else's can it?

I'm not sure, it might just be post-Danny-K PTSD.

[Joe Kool]

Is the New England turf really that bad or is this a narrative we are all buying into? I mean, all turf is bad, but theirs can't be worse than anyone else's can it?

If I recall we lost Koevermens (career ending I think) and Altidore to long term injuries on this turf in the past so maybe just a bad taste in the mouth because of that. It hasn't been kind over the years but it is what it is and shouldn't be an excuse for anything. Turf fields are complained about by every MLS team that normally play on grass.

[Canary10]

If I recall we lost Koevermens (career ending I think) and Altidore to long term injuries on this turf in the past so maybe just a bad taste in the mouth because of that. It hasn't been kind over the years but it is what it is and shouldn't be an excuse for anything. Turf fields are complained about by every MLS team that normally play on grass.

They should complain. Turf fields are harder on joints and tendons. I just can't imagine New England's is worse than anyone else's. They do have a professional football team playing on it too, and I can't see them being happy with crap turf.

[Derko]

I'm not sure, it might just be post-Danny-K PTSD.

I tend to agree, I think it is the supporters that are more paranoid, we see many MLS teams playing on turf and their players aren't getting injured, I agree that the ball is more difficult to control and it rolls and bounces funny. Field a strong lineup and blow the doors off of New England.

[woolly]

It's got to be better than the Shite at the Olympic Stadium in Montreal.

I honestly have no idea how the league approved that one...

[backbeat]

It's got to be better than the Shite at the Olympic Stadium in Montreal.

I honestly have no idea how the league approved that one...

NE upgraded their field turf

http://www.patriots.com/news/2017/05/11/gillette-stadium-upgrades-most-technologically-advanced-fieldturf-surface

The upgraded installation of Gillette Stadium's synthetic turf surface is now complete and will make its debut when the New England Revolution host Real Salt Lake on Saturday, May 13. The new surface features FieldTurf's latest monofilament technology. FieldTurf has been the surface of choice at Gillette Stadium since transitioning from grass in 2006.

[woolly]

NE upgraded their field turf

http://www.patriots.com/news/2017/05/11/gillette-stadium-upgrades-most-technologically-advanced-fieldturf-surface

The upgraded installation of Gillette Stadium's synthetic turf surface is now complete and will make its debut when the New England Revolution host Real Salt Lake on Saturday, May 13. The new surface features FieldTurf's latest monofilament technology. FieldTurf has been the surface of choice at Gillette Stadium since transitioning from grass in 2006.

Thats what they said about the turf at BMO in year 1.

[Richard]

Well its good enough for Tom Brady.

[Initial B]

They should complain. Turf fields are harder on joints and tendons. I just can't imagine New England's is worse than anyone else's. They do have a professional football team playing on it too, and I can't see them being happy with crap turf.
They just replaced the turf at Gillette Stadium this month. It's not the same stuff that tore up DK's knee back then. I'm okay with our players playing on it because it's probably in its best condition it's ever going to be.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2017/05/12/new-turf-installed-gillette-stadium/DCfatzBeRUbRPsYXk8ikiJ/story.html

[backbeat]

Thats what they said about the turf at BMO in year 1.

oh i hate field turf but at least they have a newer surface than the cement they had before so that may enter into the decision of who plays

[reggie]

bono
zava moor mavinga
beta oso cheyrou chaps edwards
seba hamilton

[ensco]

Well its good enough for Tom Brady.

http://nesn.com/2016/11/tom-brady-would-like-to-see-patriots-ditch-turf-switch-back-to-natural-grass/

[mastermixer]

I say play the best squad... go for it


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJr5l2WLe7A

[ensco]

bono
zava moor mavinga
beta oso cheyrou chaps edwards
seba hamilton

bono
edwards zava moor mavinga
cheyrou ​endoh
cooper oso chaps
hamilton

[ensco]

bono
zava moor mavinga
beta oso cheyrou chaps edwards
seba hamilton

fixed...

bono
zava moor mavinga
endoh oso cheyrou chaps edwards
spencer hamilton

[OgtheDim]

Ricketts likely out

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/870325841175203845


As for Spencer, the guy's a pylon. Bench only because we have no other forwards.

[Canary10]

I really can't see where the goals are going to come from in this one.

[OgtheDim]

We have two weeks off after this game. Nobody is going to get rested except the injured.

And NER's defence is particularly cruddy.

Goals will come from Seba, Hamilton, Vasquez, Morrow, Delgado et. al.

[Canary10]

We have two weeks off after this game. Nobody is going to get rested except the injured.

And NER's defence is particularly cruddy.

Goals will come from Seba, Hamilton, Vasquez, Morrow, Delgado et. al.

I was just saying that because I said it before the last game and look what happened.

[flatpicker]

Goals will come from Seba, Hamilton, Vasquez, Morrow, Delgado et. al.


I was just saying that because I said it before the last game and look what happened.


The way they've been playing lately I'd consider it disappointing if they don't score at least 4 goals every game.

Ha!

[ensco]

We have two weeks off after this game. Nobody is going to get rested except the injured.

.


This is the ninth game in 30 days. On the worst surface in the league.

Strongly disagree.

[backbeat]

This is the ninth game in 30 days. On the worst surface in the league.

Strongly disagree.

it's not the worst in the league now as it was just replaced - it is brand new turf as of this year - i hate any turf but at least it's new

[Joe Kool]

I was just saying that because I said it before the last game and look what happened.

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/16/1626f12d0b99b8698fddb5ff02865d7ac128485f7d771046e5 a8a4dbcc4622ad.jpg

[shwade]

I really can't see where the goals are going to come from in this one.

Haha this should be our reverse psych mantra from now on. Been working like a gem the past few.

[OgtheDim]

This is the ninth game in 30 days. On the worst surface in the league.

Strongly disagree.

I know where you are coming from; but, at this level, 2 weeks after should be enough recovery time.

They'll likely do something in between. :)

[ensco]

I know where you are coming from; but, at this level, 2 weeks after should be enough recovery time.

They'll likely do something in between. :)

My issue isn't recovery time. it's injury risk in this game.

[Graeme]

I'm guessing:

Bono
Zavaleta--Moor--Mavinga
Beitashour--Cheyrou--Vasquez--Edwards--Morrow
Giovinco--Hamilton

With Chapman, Osorio and Endoh getting time, although that leaves out Cooper

[PawTar711]

I hope that Giovinco is back, it would be a good thing that he is. I think that with him back, and him doing well previously against Ottawa Fury in the Canadian Championships means that our coach Greg Vanney is doing a good job at putting people into place at the right times, like Osario and such. I think Ricketts has played well recently, and were passing the ball tremendously, I also think that as a team we are holding onto first proudly and I think that everything is working out swell. I think we have to try a bit harder to solidfy the fact that we can hold onto this first place for the entire season, regardless of where we are, regardless of where we are in the standings, which is first, but what I mean is that we have to maintain first, and continue to believe that were not going to fall off the wagon. We're playing an 8th place side, that has no right to say that they are as good as us at this point in the season, as cliche as anyone wants me to sound, and I expect for us to continue our home play, and make sure that we aren't going to stop cheering for the red's regardless where we are in the season, and when I have some more to contribute in terms of the roster and such, I'll do so. Sincerely,

[Hamilton_Red]

Play the strongest available 11. Two weeks rest & we are on an incredible run...you don't ease up when you are winning.

[Derko]

I was just saying that because I said it before the last game and look what happened.

I got that one, lol
You can say it before every game my friend

[GhostKiller]

We typically play poorly after an international break so it would be nice to take 3 points this weekend.

[Fort York Redcoat]

I'd like to think we'll see Seba in a limited capacity. I don't like the risky business either, though.

[Oldtimer]

Some sympathy for Revs fans. They have the worst owners in MLS.

2015 article: http://the18.com/soccer-news/owner-nfl-dynasty-worst-owner-mls

2014 article: http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/article/2014/03/25/bob-kraft-worst-owner-new-england-revolution/


(http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/article/2014/03/25/bob-kraft-worst-owner-new-england-revolution/)

[PopePouri]

I'd give Endoh another start and play a 3-4-3. Sit Vasquez because of the full 90 on Wednesday and due to turf.

-----Chapman-------Hamilton---------Endoh----------
-Edwards----Cheyrou-------Delgado-----Beatishour-
-------Mavinga--------Moor----------Zavaleta---------
-----------------------Bono------------------------------

[Derko]

I'd give Endoh another start and play a 3-4-3. Sit Vasquez because of the full 90 on Wednesday and due to turf.

-----Chapman-------Hamilton---------Endoh----------
-Edwards----Cheyrou-------Delgado-----Beatishour-
-------Mavinga--------Moor----------Zavaleta---------
-----------------------Bono------------------------------

Degado is suspended, Cooper or Osorio

[backbeat]

--------------------Seba---------Hamilton----------
-Edwards--Vasquez--Cheyrou----Endoh-----Beatishour-
-------Mavinga--------Moor----------Zavaleta---------
-----------------------Bono------------------------------

3 points - it's brand new turf - rest afterwards

[PopePouri]

Degado is suspended, Cooper or Osorio

Osorio then.

[InDa_110]

This is the ninth game in 30 days. On the worst surface in the league.

Strongly disagree.



If you watch Vanney's interview on team website yesterday, he seems very adamant about "finishing this group of games on a winning note" and "finding the right combination".

I think he is going all in for a victory. Also saying "Seba's injury is not turf related", which I assume means Giovinco is playing if not starting.

[TFC1154ever]

New England is on a 10-game unbeaten run at home. The Revolution have outscored opponents 26-7 over this streak.

This won't be a cake walk that some people are making it out to be. The Revs are shaky defensively for sure, but can score.

[Hamilton_Red]

What is Chapman's status?

[flatpicker]

What is Chapman's status?

Not good. There are far better ice cream options.

[ensco]

Not good. There are far better ice cream options.

https://www.facebook.com/Gregs-Ice-Cream-441306159216990/

http://bradleyscreamery.com/

http://www.manningfarm.com/

[Derko]

Not good. There are far better ice cream options.

Although the Chapman's Premium ain't too shabby

[C.Ronaldo]

Chapmans is CDN and from Ontario to boot. The rebuilt a school for their community. I buy chapmans every Fn time

[flatpicker]

https://www.facebook.com/Gregs-Ice-Cream-441306159216990/

http://bradleyscreamery.com/

http://www.manningfarm.com/


The real deal!
Chapman wouldn't stand a chance going head to head against these guys.
I'd hate to see the scoreline in that matchup.

[flatpicker]

Chapmans is CDN and from Ontario to boot. The rebuilt a school for their community. I buy chapmans every Fn time

Well, you took my joke into an unexpected direction.

How about this?.... you donate a bit of money to some local school fund,
meanwhile you buy some better quality ice cream.

[ensco]

I am a Greg's man.

[ronzilla]

PC, Haagen-Dazs or nothing at all. Chapmans is poor quality, you get what you pay for.

[shwade]

Not a single haagen-daas storefront in Toronto...tragic.

[GerMc]

Not a single haagen-daas storefront in Toronto...tragic.

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The Haagen-Daz Dulce split--Dulce la Leche ice cream layered with bananas and hot caramel sauce, topped with whipped cream!

It is the Ballon D'or of ice cream...

[GerMc]

BTW, I think we should play the best team we have available--turf or no turf. So start Giovinco. If we are winning at the half, maybe you bring him out early, but let's keep the undefeated streak going, and get every point we can!

Now feel free to go back to the amusing ice cream tangent if you want :-)

[marquis]

+1
Best team available. Chicago is 5 points behind, but they have 1 game in hand, so could be just 2 points. Can't afford any missteps now.

[Derko]

PC, Haagen-Dazs or nothing at all. Chapmans is poor quality, you get what you pay for.

I heard somewhere that Chapmans makes PC, I may be wrong

[OgtheDim]

PC, Haagen-Dazs or nothing at all. Chapmans is poor quality, you get what you pay for.

Kinda like NER.

[OgtheDim]

Out comes the old 3-5-1-1

https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/871132407843487744

[ronzilla]

Looks good. This game is very doable. I wonder if Irwin will get some minutes.

[TFC1154ever]

Is Edwards playing up top with Gio? Because Morrow and Beit are starting.

[James17930]

Is Edwards playing up top with Gio? Because Morrow and Beit are starting.

Seems like it might be a 3-5-1-1 sort of thing, with Seba sort of on his own, then the midfield swarming up to support when appropriate (?)

[TFC1154ever]

Kurt Larson think it's more of a 4-3-3

[Oldtimer]

Looks good. This game is very doable. I wonder if Irwin will get some minutes.

Irwin's getting minutes in the Canadian Championship. Bono's earned the starting position.

[James17930]

Here's a YouTube search results page for all the channels supposedly streaming the match. I assume one of them will work eventually:

https://www.youtube.com/results?sp=EgIIAQ%253D%253D&q=toronto+fc+new+england+revolution

[PizzaEatingYeti]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6GqX92_B_4

http://goatdee.net/205255/watch-new-england-revolution-vs-toronto-fc (http://http://goatdee.net/205255/watch-new-england-revolution-vs-toronto-fc)

[BenRhodes23]

Is Edwards playing up top with Gio? Because Morrow and Beit are starting.

Yes. Edwards and Gio are the strikers

[Globetrotter]

Not good. There are far better ice cream options.

Quote of the year lol

[MightyDM]

Well its good enough for Tom Brady.

Um he holds the ball in his hand.

[James17930]

I thought things would be better with this new turf, but it still seems terrible.

[OgtheDim]

Dry turf with guys not being able to judge the speed and some slipping and sliding going on out there. And a big hole in front of our back line.

Its like we are playing in sand.

[__wowza]

that was just a matter of time.


first 15 minutes looked like shit.

[MightyDM]

We are reading our own press clippings, like the first Ottawa game. Need to get motivated and into this game.

[James17930]

Well, we often play better from behind ...

[tfcfans]

Just no one get hurt tonight.....

[Detroit_TFC]

That was unfortunate. Need to grab some possession for a bit.

[James17930]

Our passing is really off, but you have to give NE credit for swarming our guys and giving them no time on the ball. One assumes this will cause them to tire as the game goes on and will eventually play in our favour.

[OgtheDim]

And we play there again in September.

[tfcfans]

Frick Morrow.....

[__wowza]

off the post, and a bad bounce that couldnt be controlled.
that sucked. at least it looks like the revs are easing off a bit, i didn't think they'd be able to keep up that pace.

[OgtheDim]

Can we please make sure Delgado doesn't get anymore reds?

[James17930]

Can we please make sure Delgado doesn't get anymore reds?

Well, he shouldn't be the best answer for that position. In theory Oso or Endoh should be just as good.

Great strike by Cooper.

[OgtheDim]

NER gets into good spots but their shooting is really crap. Should be 3-2.

[James17930]

This is the most vulnerable I've seen our defence all season.

[__wowza]

Can we please make sure Delgado doesn't get anymore reds?


marky "i'll break your knees whenever i please" delgado.
marky "smashing your shin to get the win" delgado.
marky "ankle-breaker, play-maker" delgado.
marky "bombard and red card" delgado.
marky "taking your ACL to hell" delgado.
marky "you can get that healed off the field" delgado.
marky "up 3-nil? then it's time to kill" delgado.

[__wowza]

This is the most vulnerable I've seen our defence all season.


yeah, im not a fan of watching people skip by our defenders and shaking off slide tackles like im playing FIFA online.

[OgtheDim]

Got away with one there. Mavinga has not had the best of games.

[Auzzy]

Wow this game kinda sucks.

Beitashour we learned when we were 9 years old that you get your shoulders over the ball on a long shot.

In addition to everything else, our defense really sucks tonight.

Ok who was editing Cooper's Wiki? It wasn't me. (His long shot off them bar was good though.)

"Armando Enrique Cooper Whitaker (born November 26, 1987) is a Panamanian football midfielder, who currently attempts to play for Toronto FC, though he fails on more occasions than he succeeds."

[General Woolfe]

We can talk about squad depth all we want, but this side quite simply isn't the same without Michael Bradley

[PizzaEatingYeti]

TFC's defense had a nightmare of first half.
Totally outclassed by the NE forward players.

NE had chances like other MLS teams have in 4 complete games against TFC - in the last 2 months' games.

[BenRhodes23]

Wow this game kinda sucks.

Beitashour we learned when we were 9 years old that you get your shoulders over the ball on a long shot.

In addition to everything else, our defense really sucks tonight.

Ok who was editing Cooper's Wiki? It wasn't me. (His long shot off them bar was good though.)

"Armando Enrique Cooper Whitaker (born November 26, 1987) is a Panamanian football midfielder, who currently attempts to play for Toronto FC, though he fails on more occasions than he succeeds."

Probably not a Toronto FC fan.

[Yohan]

Cheyrou looks tired.

Need a hold up guy. Turf throwing off the rhythm on passes.

Lucky not to be 2 nil down at half

[OgtheDim]

Adjustments please.

Maybe go 4-1-3-2 and plant Cheyrou in front of a back 4.

[BenRhodes23]

TFC seem to be struggling with the horrendous turf. The ball isn't rolling as it would elsewhere and our CBs have slipped on the turf. Hoping for a better second half

[tfcfans]

Sloppy game all around which was frankly expected based on the missing parts of our lineup, a crappy field, and a team due for a stinker. The fact that they can still pull any kind of result while playing so poorly actually gives me some legitimate excitement as to how good this team really is.

They are going to lose games this year, based on non peak lineups, jammed schedules and simply having off nights. If that happens only 10x out of the year and they can steal some points in those "off" games (Clbs road game for example), that's going to lead to a heck of a regular season. If this group is healthy in November, and we KNOW they will be extremely motivated after last year (and BMO will be rocking), they will be a site to behold....

[CBTFC]

We're getting picked apart right now by new england's young attacking core.

Something needs to be adjusted for second half.

[jloome]

We're getting picked apart right now by new england's young attacking core.

Something needs to be adjusted for second half.

We're soft in the middle today. No real destroyer. No Delgado, no bradley. Cooper's okay defensively, Cheyrou's a little slow, Vasquez is non-existent going backwards.

So we're getting overrun by the trailer in the box each time.

[EL DUQUE'----']

You're kidding me.. Everyone is so negative... They haven't connected yet.. It's one down... Relax

[PizzaEatingYeti]

Seba was almost inexistent in the 1st half... :(

[Auzzy]

Let's see if Vanney manages to change things up somehow.

I don't mind losing competently. I wasn't expecting anything today. But we don't need to look this bad. I agree the brand new plastic surface is causing problems (for both teams) but that's not an excuse for the bad positioning & total lack of communication in our defense.

[khso11]

We're not losing this game from a poorly defended set-piece. Need some adjustments and I think we could still do this.

Also there're quite a few TFC fans here in Foxborough.

[PizzaEatingYeti]

You're kidding me.. Everyone is so negative... They haven't connected yet.. It's one down... Relax
How we can be positive, when we played in the back making NE look like they are having 2 Ronaldos on the field?

[__wowza]

You're kidding me.. Everyone is so negative... They haven't connected yet.. It's one down... Relax


i'm reading it with rose tinted glasses. it's more disappointment and "we could be doing better" than it is all around negativity. now, 2010 - 2013.. THAT was negativity. in all honesty though, our defence has been poor, and if the revs could finish, it could easily be a 4-nil game.

[EL DUQUE'----']

Edwards upfront... U have Hamilton, on the bench.. Make a move.. Put Edwards on the wing, Hamilton causing shit, Gio behind.. Remove Cooper. Goals will come

[__wowza]

from the cooper wiki under club career:

After the 2016 MLS Cup Playoffs, Cooper signed full-time with Toronto FC. Cooper however lacks the basic ability to pass the ball when under pressure, leading to dangerous turnover situations and an extreme lack of scoring chances.

[MightyDM]

Who do we sub? Edwards has been unused as a forward. Vasquez and Cheyrou a step behind. Cooper ok, so not an obvious substitute. Gio not to influencial. Needs a change in formation but I can't figure it out.

[James17930]

Edwards upfront... U have Hamilton, on the bench.. Make a move.. Put Edwards on the wing, Hamilton causing shit, Gio behind.. Remove Cooper. Goals will come

Yes -- this is what should happen.

[UpTheReds]

Let's find an equalizer some how, take a point, and get out of Boston.

[MightyDM]

This game cries out for Ricketts

[__wowza]

who can say they didn't see that one coming?

[MightyDM]

Cannot complain. They have deserved another goal. We look poor.

[James17930]

Cheyrou is getting eaten alive tonight.

He needs to come off.

[OgtheDim]

Midfield not good enough tonight.

[UpTheReds]

Could be worse. RSL are down 5-0 to Dallas....at half. 😲

[PizzaEatingYeti]

good night.
this game was shit from the very first minute.

[Auzzy]

I think Cooper has been decent BTW. He's definitely holding onto the ball much less than he used to.

Sadly I think Cheyrou should be subbed off. He can't deal with the speed & pressure tonight.

[__wowza]

its hard watching the champions league final and then putting this on.

[General Woolfe]

I dont know what Vanney was thinking pulling Zavaletta before Mavinga. To be fair the entire defence has looked shaky tonight without Bradley's protection, and GV has got more substitutions right rather than wrong recently. However, Mavinga has looked the weakest link all night

[OgtheDim]

This game cries out for Ricketts

Ricketts, Bradley, Altidore, Delgado, Hagglund

Super sub + 4 starters

***

This ref is letting a lot of crap go.

[MightyDM]

We can talk about squad depth all we want, but this side quite simply isn't the same without Michael Bradley

Yes, that is the fact.

[nonc]

They miss Hagglund.

[__wowza]

2 losses in 15 isn't that bad, but it doesn't take away from the fact that this games looked ugly from the start.

[James17930]

Ricketts, Bradley, Altidore, Delgado, Hagglund

Super sub + 4 starters

***

This ref is letting a lot of crap go.

That's true. Though he's now finally started giving more yellows.

[nonc]

Moor and Beitashour have not been good.

[OgtheDim]

Evergreen comment tonight


This is Cooper....going backwards

[Auzzy]

Vasquez off, Cheyrou stays? Has Vanney given up for tonight?

[General Woolfe]

It looks like its just not going to be our night

[tfcfans]

I don't think this is as negative as people are making it out to be --- if I said we would only play "10" crappy games (and this is a road game on a notoriously bad field that their opponent plays well on) and 24 average-decent games - I'd take my chances at finishing with a pretty decent point total - we we were due to have a stinker today for many reasons (what have we had? 3 or 4 bad games out of 15 of which we've lost only two?) - if this was our full starting 11 with a regular week off between games, I'd be more concerned, this was just a confluence of many events leading to one of hopefully few annoying "schedule/lineup" losses on the year.....if they crap the bed with a full squad against DC at home in 2 weeks, that's a concern, tonight is a shrug to me (albeit annoying to watch) ......outside of going to Dallas and Orlando (two tough road games in a short week) in July with a limited squad potentially due to Gold Cup, and a NYCFC doubleheader that should be fun to watch again, the schedule seems very kind to us from August onwards....we will be favoured in most of the rest of the games after July....it's not time to over-react to a loss tonight.....

[__wowza]

it's not time to over-react to a loss tonight.....


haven't seen a whole lot of overreacting in this thread.
like i said earlier, more disappointment in the fact that we should be doing better.

[samuraizero]

"Armando Enrique Cooper Whitaker (born November 26, 1987) is a Panamanian football midfielder, who currently attempts to play for Toronto FC, though he fails on more occasions than he succeeds."


LOL found another one.

After the 2016 MLS Cup Playoffs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_MLS_Cup_Playoffs), Cooper signed full-time with Toronto FC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_FC). Cooper however lacks the basic ability to pass the ball when under pressure, leading to dangerous turnover situations and an extreme lack of scoring chances.

[OgtheDim]

Vasquez off, Cheyrou stays? Has Vanney given up for tonight?


There's no DM on the bench.

[Auzzy]

Faaaaaaaaaaaack

[OgtheDim]

One very very tired team.

[MightyDM]

NO.

We are the Manchester United of this league. It is never acceptable to drop points, except possibly an away draw at Chelsea.

[ronzilla]

Terrible pitch, NE takes advantage of this since they are used to it, the ball moves like a bowling ball and bounces like a rock.

[General Woolfe]

Poor performance from the Reds on the night. That was as comprehensive a defeat tonight as youre likely to see. Too much has been made of our depth. Whist we have decent cover, perhaps the best weve ever had, it doesnt mean that every side we put out is equal to our first choice eleven. We badly missed our captain tonight, particularly his organization, the defence looked vulnerable every time the Revs went forward without Bradley's protection.

Still it is what is is, and at least we stuck to plan and tried to play a passing game throughout. At no point did we resort to kick and rush in desperation. We need to take this on the chin and move forward, but make no mistake on tonight's evidence July will be tough month for us with the absence of Bradley & Altidore at the Gold Cup.

[SoccMan2]

Once thing about New England they have a lot of talented offensive minded players, not a team you want to face in the playoffs.

[PopePouri]

I had a problem with Vanney playing Vasquez and Cheyrou together. Two people who barely have any legs left.

Bradley and Delgado work for Vasquez because they're marathoners.

Also, Fuck Paul Mariner. I know he's playing to a product but at least give some respect to the organization that gave him a coaching job he didn't deserve. He makes out his team to be this well-oiled, well-drilled defensive or offensive machine but with that win, they're still below the red line.

[__wowza]

Also, Fuck Paul Mariner.

should've subbed on soolsma.

[BenRhodes23]

I don't think this is as negative as people are making it out to be --- if I said we would only play "10" crappy games (and this is a road game on a notoriously bad field that their opponent plays well on) and 24 average-decent games - I'd take my chances at finishing with a pretty decent point total - we we were due to have a stinker today for many reasons (what have we had? 3 or 4 bad games out of 15 of which we've lost only two?) - if this was our full starting 11 with a regular week off between games, I'd be more concerned, this was just a confluence of many events leading to one of hopefully few annoying "schedule/lineup" losses on the year.....if they crap the bed with a full squad against DC at home in 2 weeks, that's a concern, tonight is a shrug to me (albeit annoying to watch) ......outside of going to Dallas and Orlando (two tough road games in a short week) in July with a limited squad potentially due to Gold Cup, and a NYCFC doubleheader that should be fun to watch again, the schedule seems very kind to us from August onwards....we will be favoured in most of the rest of the games after July....it's not time to over-react to a loss tonight.....

Couldn't have said it better myself. We will still be first after this gameweek regardless of other results and we easily have the best team in the league. We had 5 or 6 losses by this point last season so let's just forget about this one and keep winning games.

[PopePouri]

should've subbed on soolsma.

Too bad the best finisher in the modern era plays for FC Cincinnatti. Could have used him tonight.

[Shakes McQueen]

NO.

We are the Manchester United of this league. It is never acceptable to drop points, except possibly an away draw at Chelsea.

Eh, no. Are we the best team in the league right now? Quite possibly. But let's not get too puffed up about our station in this league just yet - no MLS Cups, and no Supporters Shields.

As a supporter, I never want my team to drop points, but to say it's never "acceptable" because we are the Man Utd of MLS, strikes me as a bit exaggerated. Second loss of the season, with a depleted squad, and ending off the second of two two-week spans playing two games a week.

Not pleased we lost, and certainly not that comprehensively. But hopefully they now have a chance to catch their breath, get some proper rest from the morons who make the schedule, and come back with a vengeance on the 17th.

[PawTar711]

I thought today's match was splendid, in fact, I don't think it was that bad, in all honesty, we were away to a relatively good side in an away match where we were tired, and I thought that in the very beginning we weren't awake causing the team to struggle out the gate, almost costing us a goal or two. I think that we as a team were able to manage the fact that possession didn't come too quick, however, I thought that they were playing in a way where they kept possession, in area's on the sides, and when we had the ball, they wanted us to come through the middle, and we didn't, I think that instead of going through the middle, we were hesitant in the beginning, and then they tried to counter us, however, we were able to get numerous chances going numerous times. In all honesty, there were a lot of exciting moments where we could have easily tied, making it exciting, also, Jozy Altidore and Michael Bradley were away performing international duty for Team USA, the very team we were trying to beat, the New England Revolution. I thought that in all honesty, we lost a bit of it in the second half, a little stupid, but I think that generally, the game was good, and it's nothing to be upset about, espiecally if your the goaltender, because majority of the goals weren't his fault.

Sincerely,

[backbeat]

Eh, no. Are we the best team in the league right now? Quite possibly. But let's not get too puffed up about our station in this league just yet - no MLS Cups, and no Supporters Shields.

As a supporter, I never want my team to drop points, but to say it's never "acceptable" because we are the Man Utd of MLS, strikes me as a bit exaggerated. Second loss of the season, with a depleted squad, and ending off the second of two two-week spans playing two games a week.

Not pleased we lost, and certainly not that comprehensively. But hopefully they now have a chance to catch their breath, get some proper rest from the morons who make the schedule, and come back with a vengeance on the 17th.

indubitably - we were not horrible on the night, especially on a more than sluggish pitch...we certainly could have played better but oh well. considering the schedule i thought, save a few sloppy moments, we could have salvaged a point or 3....

[tfcfans]

Colorado came back to beat the Crew with two in the last ten minutes so that was a nice bonus.....

[ensco]

This is a terrific, sometimes amazing team.

Can't win em all.

[CBTFC]

Good teams lose games, and so do great teams.

Pretty easy to see we just simply didn't match up well with their youthful legs, but hey, we didn't have our full starting 11 and some played on Wed.

Two weeks off now, stay focused and look ahead.

[Oldtimer]

Exhaustion showed. TFC missed Bradley. Revs are a Turf team (like TFC in the first few years) that play well at home being familiar with their own crappy surface (which their opponents aren't) and poorly elsewhere.

Even the Galaxy at their best had days like this. That's why long runs are rare in MLS. Rest up and move on.

[MightyDM]

This is a terrific, sometimes amazing team.

Can't win em all.

I agree with you ensco, this team is terrific and great to watch. What I was trying to say in my earlier post was that for us as supporters, we should expect this team to win every game. They are that good.

[EL DUQUE'----']

We came back to earth yesterday. We put those 2 off the bar in, we have a completely different game. It's ok...still in first, long season, let's do like tottenham and keep applying pressure.. Lol

[notthesun]

I didn't get to see any of the game, but I don't think it's a big surprise we weren't in this one. Our schedule has been insane, enough to sink most teams in the league. We were going to look tired and flat in one of these games eventually.

Take the couple weeks rest and get back at it.

[OgtheDim]

FWIW


Vanney speaks

https://www.torontofc.ca/post/2017/06/03/me-it-was-things-we-can-sort-out-training-field-and-just-tighten-its-not-things-have?autoplay=true


In essence, team not patient enough, got stretched out and really really tired legs. Edwards was a trial to see if he could spread out their defence, which worked for the Vasquez miss.

One point to remember:

We play these guys at BMO within 48 hours of the first leg in Montreal.


**********


What ifs are never something to hold onto but if Vasquez had scored that goal, this game would have gone very differently. A look at the xG for this game is very instructive.



https://twitter.com/11tegen11/status/871323068534226944

[MightyDM]

Edwards up top didn't really work and I think likely helped the tired legs get more tired, by lack of hold up play.

i was thinking that you cannot have VV and BC in the same midfield and this game seemed to show that, but maybe the lack of hold up play made that worse. Gio had the least impact on a game in a while.

vanney kept biting his tongue. Wonder what the other issues were that he saw that he wouldn't talk about?

[Blindside16]

We were due for a ugly game. This team has played a ton of football the last month or so and it showed. A 2 week break will due them good and then we can out together another winning streak before the gold cup break. That pitch looked absolutely bullshit. How the league allows that is beyond me.

[Davenport]

NO.

We are the Manchester United of this league. It is never acceptable to drop points, except possibly an away draw at Chelsea.

So we're boring and don't finish top anymore ?

[Canary10]

So we're boring and don't finish top anymore ?

Ha, I was going to say that.

[Canary10]

Bad game. They're going to happen in this league. Just forget about it and move on. Stop blaming the turf though. It's brand new turf, not the crap Danny ruined his knee on, and they've only had it for a few weeks so NE is hardly that used to it either. It's not an excuse.

[Fort York Redcoat]

I had a problem with Vanney playing Vasquez and Cheyrou together. Two people who barely have any legs left.

Bradley and Delgado work for Vasquez because they're marathoners.

Also, Fuck Paul Mariner. I know he's playing to a product but at least give some respect to the organization that gave him a coaching job he didn't deserve. He makes out his team to be this well-oiled, well-drilled defensive or offensive machine but with that win, they're still below the red line.

Great points, Pope.

Looking at those highlights our back was dealing with unchallenged runs that didn't make their day easy.

And Coach Short Pants made his spite pretty obvious. I'm sure NE fans love his overwhelming bias blowing smoke up their...places. He doesn't do any service to himself as a commentator but I think he's satisfied with being an NE schill.

[ensco]

Mariner now has the best job he will ever have, and he should surely ask to name his first grandson Steve Nicol, in gratitude.

[C.Ronaldo]

apparently i missed a friendly against NE :/

take the loss and forget about it

[Initial B]

If anything, this game shows how important Bradley is to the team structure. I'm not sure how we could replace him. I'll give this game a pass and on to the next one in two weeks.

[MightyDM]

So we're boring and don't finish top anymore ?

nicely played. I will retreat to my corner now.

[Section_105]

If anything, this game shows how important Bradley is to the team structure. I'm not sure how we could replace him. I'll give this game a pass and on to the next one in two weeks.


agreed. this also makes me a little miffed that we released Bradley and Jozy for a friendly. This had better develop into us keeping them for a proper game when we need them more but I doubt that it will. Jozy wasn't even in the 18.....so at least less chance of him getting injured.

[OgtheDim]

Just a couple of notes on that:

Vanney indicated there was a deal done between the USMNT & MLS to realese for that friendly with the understanding there would be a date where MLS players were not released. A few teams were miffed at SKC being able to have Besler around for the weekend game.

Jozy showed up late (Wednesday) due to a family matter.

[ag futbol]

agreed. this also makes me a little miffed that we released Bradley and Jozy for a friendly. This had better develop into us keeping them for a proper game when we need them more but I doubt that it will. Jozy wasn't even in the 18.....so at least less chance of him getting injured.
Correct me if I'm wrong but this was a non-FIFA due too no? As if MLS scheduling challenges aren't enough to begin with...

[Yohan]

Correct me if I'm wrong but this was a non-FIFA due too no? As if MLS scheduling challenges aren't enough to begin with...

http://www.sounderatheart.com/2017/6/6/15750434/mls-agreement-ussf-fifa-dates

[Derko]

http://www.sounderatheart.com/2017/6/6/15750434/mls-agreement-ussf-fifa-dates

Sketchy!!!

[ag futbol]

Wild speculation: SUM continues to be a major money maker for the league hence these sorts of things are prioritized. As a Canadian the USMNT doesn't do much for me, notwithstanding having a couple of outrageously good players or our roster which we pay for anyway.

I worry that MLS is ultimately diluting its product, puffing out on expansion fees, and has lost sight of what took the league out of the doldrums prior to TFC's launch (namely: focusing on the game, the quality of the facilities, etc...).

[OgtheDim]

The USMNT is very very good for MLS. If the USMNT didn't qualify for Russia, Fox would not pay as much for MLS the next time around. They would be unlikely to put an MLS game on Big Fox (which they have done a couple of times this season getting a few million more eyeballs then a FoxS1 broadcast).

And what is good for MLS is good for TFC.

I hope the Yankees get to Russia and get burned big time by little countries. And I hope they flame out at the Gold Cup. But, them making it to the World Cup significantly helps MLS by driving people to watch summer time soccer.

[Canary10]

http://www.sounderatheart.com/2017/6/6/15750434/mls-agreement-ussf-fifa-dates

This is the US equivalent of staging an all night street party outside the opposition's hotel the night before a match.

[OgtheDim]

This is the US equivalent of staging an all night street party outside the opposition's hotel the night before a match.


Or not having your MNT's released by a English or Scottish team because their gaffer thinks national teams outside of Europe are a joke.

[Section_105]

Correct me if I'm wrong but this was a non-FIFA due too no? As if MLS scheduling challenges aren't enough to begin with...
a little late with my reply but yes, you are correct - Non-fifa release dates. We did not have to release them for this game but did so apparently with the understanding we would be able to hold them back from a real FIFA date if there was an inconsequential game for the US. but that's just a tidbit from an Interview with Vanney that I can't find again.