Match Day Voyageurs Semi Second Leg - Ottawa @ TFC Wed May 31 7pm

[OgtheDim]

Getting this one up now because of some relevant news.

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https://twitter.com/joshuakloke/status/867779809132376065

[Cas87]

So with that news, guessing Ricketts and Vazquez would be inserted into the 11.

Take Vazquez off for Chapman midway through (60th minute) to save for NE.

I wonder if Morgan would be comfortable on the left of the back 3 with Morrow as the wing back (with Raheem suspended)?

---------------- Ricketts ---------- Hamilton ----------
Morrow --- Vazquez --- Cheyrou --- Osorio --- Beita
------------- Morgan ---- Moor ---- Zavaleta ---------
*****************(Hernandez)****************
-------------------------- Bono -------------------------


Best guess I can make

[samuraizero]

I wonder if Morgan would be comfortable on the left of the back 3 with Morrow as the wing back (with Raheem suspended)?


Morgan looks like a fish out of water no matter where you put him.

[MightyDM]

Morgan played some games at wingback, I think last year, and was quite good. Him outside of Morrow would be my choice.

[OgtheDim]

An explanation about Bradley & Altidore release for this friendly.

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/867818418724114432

[Blindside16]

With Jozy not being available, I wonder if Seba will see some minutes in this one. He claims he is ready to go and from what I understand he is getting the green light for the NE game. For him to come off the bench for the last 30 would certainly shift the tide.

[Blindside16]

I can see them possibly rolling out this line up seeing as the international break is upon them.

-------------- Ricketts ----------- Hamilton / Seba----------
Morrow------ Vazquez ----- Cheryou ----- Osorio ------ Morgan
---------Mavinga ----- Moor ----- Beit / Zavs---------------
-----------------------Bono--------------------------------

[Prof]

Morgan looks like a fish out of water no matter where you put him.
I agree. He is one player that has shown absolutely no improvement since he came into the league. He still cannot make a cross that gets by the first defender. I cannot see him being re-signed next year.

[notthesun]

With Delgado suspended for the weekend match at New England I think it makes sense to start him for this (assuming he can play in this while suspended in MLS, which I think he can).

[reggie]

irwin
zava==moor ==mavinga
beta=oso==cheyrou==chaps==morrow
ricketts hamilton

VV for chaps in the second half and seba for 20min depending on the score?

[PizzaEatingYeti]

The big question is what is thinking Vanney about playing Seba in New England from the start, just as a sub for last 15-25 mins (depending on the score), on not playing him at all.
He should know this already well before the Ottawa game, because this is depending just on that he's willing to risk or not a Seba injury because of the shit NE turf.
I'm sure Seba would be ready and willing to play both games full time.

If he knows he'll not play Seba at all in NE, than Seba should play 100% of the game against Ottawa.

[BenRhodes23]

The big question is what is thinking Vanney about playing Seba in New England from the start, just as a sub for last 15-25 mins (depending on the score), on not playing him at all.
He should know this already well before the Ottawa game, because this is depending just on that he's willing to risk or not a Seba injury because of the shit NE turf.
I'm sure Seba would be ready and willing to play both games full time.

If he knows he'll not play Seba at all in NE, than Seba should play 100% of the game against Ottawa.

I think he'll play against Ottawa and come on late against NE.

[molenshtain]

After rushing Seba out last time and him getting reinjured because of it I doubt Vanney will play him at all this week. We're doing fine without him. Let him rest.

[OgtheDim]

Seba's going to sit until after the international break. Then he's going to make DCU's lacklustre back 4 look like pylons.

[Cas87]

I think he'll play against Ottawa and come on late against NE.


After rushing Seba out last time and him getting reinjured because of it I doubt Vanney will play him at all this week. We're doing fine without him. Let him rest.

The only time I feel that Vanney would use Seba is against Ottawa (ONLY if needed).

Since his injuries have been in his foot/wrist and quad, playing in NE would NOT BE GOOD AT ALL.

[Auzzy]

Apparently Seba is a bit pissed off, feels he's ready, and already wanted to play vs. Columbus. (He posted that to Instagram.) Keeping him out two more full games might make sense, but would piss him off more. The team seemed to think he would be ready vs. NE.

[shwade]

NE's shitty turf is the last place you want to bring him back for his first game. I hope Vanney shows his backbone and rests him for one more week...tweaking or reinjuring is the absolute last thing Seba needs.

[OgtheDim]

Trust Molinaro to get the info we are all asking about. (Mostly because he always asks about injuries so Vanney gets used to telling him everything)

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/869232520839254020

&

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/869232805175316480

[notthesun]

Maybe give Giovinco 45 mins here and keep him out vs. New England...

[Blindside16]

The only thing I know for certain and can guarantee is that 3 out of the following 4 will start : Ricketts, Hamilton, Morgan and Osorio. My gut tells me Osorio, Hamilton and Morgan with Ricketts coming on for Seba at the half or at the hour.

[Oldtimer]

So if you are Vanney, do you:

(1) Play Giovinco at NE, making him play on the crappy turf because it is a league match?

(2) Fearing the turf at NE, but wanting to let him play, play him for this match but not in NE?

(3) Make Giovinco wait until after the break (the most medically conservative, but pissing Giovinco off)?

[ensco]

I play Gio 45 minutes here.

I don't let him within 500 miles of the turf in New England.

[Canary10]

I play Gio 45 minutes here.

I don't let him within 500 miles of the turf in New England.

Yup.

[Fort York Redcoat]

I play Gio 45 minutes here.

I don't let him within 500 miles of the turf in New England.

Yikes. I did the math. He can't stray out of the GTA by you. :D

[ensco]

Yikes. I did the math. He can't stray out of the GTA by you. :D

Hahahahaha

I think I want him flying to Wales this weekend to watch Juve in the final, just so no one gets any last minute ideas!

[reggie]

on a sidenote...mtl is playing its A team vs VAN B team tonight,that should be interesting.

[Richard]

I would rest Giovinco a few more games, make sure whatever he has had is healed fully. Its a long season and the championship is the goal, right now we are winning and there is no need to rush him back.

[OgtheDim]

on a sidenote...mtl is playing its A team vs VAN B team tonight,that should be interesting.

Some things never change. Vancouver makes it to out of a weak group (SKC & a Trini team), beats the Red Bulls to make it to the semis.......... and still doesn't take the CCL seriously.

In essence, this means we either beat Montreal now or beat them later.

[Derko]

Some things never change. Vancouver makes it to out of a weak group (SKC & a Trinidadian team), beats the Red Bulls to make it to the semis.......... and still doesn't take the CCL seriously.

In essence, this means we either beat Montreal now or beat them later.

Now fuck later

[Red CB Toronto]

It's "Game Day", can you feel it !! Knock off the Fury to setup a final vs the L'impact, that would be sweet.

[Section_105]

I need to stop looking at this stuff until later. so much to do today!. Game day lads and lassies.

[Initial B]

It's "Game Day", can you feel it !! Knock off TFC to setup a final vs the L'impact, that would be sweet.
Fixed. ;)

[PizzaEatingYeti]

Game day!
I expect a nice little, clean victory with 2-0, with 1-0 at halftime.
I will be much surprised if we win by 3 goals and shocked if we win by 4 goals.

:scarf:

[OgtheDim]

Looking like a good day for a victory.

[Petor]

If we put some of our young-new guys out for this game and we lose it is not a game ender.
We will get a one off game in August to qualify for champions league(on grass).
We have a congested schedule which includes one on the turf monster in New England.

[OgtheDim]

What?

And miss out on the chance for another epic home and home against Montreal?


No way man. We live for that shit. Hook up the rivalry to my veins in a few weeks cause I love that fix.


BRING IT ON!!!! :scarf:

[Joe Kool]

I would rather rest our starters at the NE game and let some young guys play on the NE turf and smoke Ottawa tonight with as much of our full lineup that we have available. I want TFC to win the Canadian Championship this year and return to the CCL versus not being the Canadian Champ but getting into the CCL through the one game playoff. You never know with a one game playoff anyway...anything can happen and we could lose it. Playing Montreal in a home and home is fun too.

[C.Ronaldo]

wtf is up with 7pm starts

remember when we had 8pm games for champs leagues. good ol days

[Gringo Starr]

What?

And miss out on the chance for another epic home and home against Montreal?


No way man. We live for that shit. Hook up the rivalry to my veins in a few weeks cause I love that fix.


BRING IT ON!!!! :scarf:


Amen to this!

im already pricing Via rail tickets to Montreal

[Oldtimer]

Anyone who thinks that for sure we can win a one off game to get into the CCL because we have the better team... well the last MLS Cup is "example A" of why the better team doesn't always win a single game.

[PizzaEatingYeti]

wtf is up with 7pm starts

remember when we had 8pm games for champs leagues. good ol days

So far this year those who scheduled the games have done their best possible to have the least fans in the stands in the first 30 minutes in a ton of games.

As a "thank you" gesture, they all need to be sent for a nice 10 month vacation in the Gulag Islands (maybe some of you know what that means), to do a bit of nice "hard labor". 6 days per week, 10 hours every workday, Sundays off.
Wage: minimal wage effective right now in Russia.

[notthesun]

https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/870037927677632514

[Oldtimer]

Pretty strong lineup.

[OgtheDim]

A lot of TFC on this street car.

Anyways, a good strong starting lineup with Seba in reserve. Team is coming for Ottawa tonight.

[Bobo]

Like the strength of that lineup overall, but they need a backup RB in the worst way. Endoh probably can't do much worse than Taintor last week.

Cooper injured, or has Vanney given up on him?

[noimpactinmtl]

Like the strength of that lineup overall, but they need a backup RB in the worst way. Endoh probably can't do much worse than Taintor last week.

Cooper injured, or has Vanney given up on him?

I'd rate Vazquez higher than Cooper as well.

Should be fine as long as we keep them pinned at the back while Endoh pushes up and Zavaleta provide cover for him.

[BeachTory]

any suggested streams?

[PizzaEatingYeti]

any streams?
The guy's channel on youtube where I watched last 7-8 TFC games was banned during the last game.

[oldtraffordPEI]

any streams?
The guy's channel on youtube where I watched last 7-8 TFC games was banned during the last game.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A82o2QsdMSQ

[0bl1vious]

This is the only stream I can get my hands on right now lads

http://cricfree.sc/watch/live/toronto-fc-vs-ottawa-fury-live-streaming

[BeachTory]

much appreciated....thx!

[PizzaEatingYeti]

Second time happened... ball gets to Ricketts, and it's like it hit a cement wall.

[Detroit_TFC]

This might be the last time we see Endoh. He's not performing at a top level. Time to go.

[PizzaEatingYeti]

TFC playing like shite so far...

[SirBobSaget]

What a garbage performance so far now ricketts is injured 🤕

[PizzaEatingYeti]

WE are screwed for the NE game.
No Ricketts either.

[Auzzy]

Man, Ottawa has a couple of huge players.

TFC much more possession, but real goal chances benefit Ottawa so far. Not looking too good considering our lineup. Even Cheyrou doesn't look too good with his passing today. I don't really understand this sub either.

[bigredone]

What, me worry?


mmmmmmmmmaaaaaaaaaaaaddddddddddd

[Detroit_TFC]

Morrow!!

[bigredone]

Well that increased my buzz!!!!!

[Detroit_TFC]

Oh sure, now Endoh scores. I should get an assist. :)

[bigredone]

Oh sure, now Endoh scores. I should get an assist. :)

But I do agree, it only earned him an inch of slack.

[BenRhodes23]

I just finished saying to my dad that Endoh was playing poorly but then he made up for it! Major role in 2 quick goals! He's not been great this season but I still think he's a decent player off the bench and in these situations.

[PizzaEatingYeti]

well well, deja vu?
TFC played almost nothing for 40 minutes, and they are still up 2-0...

[khso11]

I think the Beita substitution instantly made Endoh played better, less defensive responsibility. He's just not a RWB, he's a RW/RF. Please no more Endoh at RWB/RB, I thought Vanney learned his lesson after the Philly game.

[SirBobSaget]

What's the Canadian playing rule? They're only fielding 1 now that Hamilton and ricketts are off

[Detroit_TFC]

But I do agree, it only earned him an inch of slack.

Didn't take long to lose that inch. grrr

[BenRhodes23]

What's the Canadian playing rule? They're only fielding 1 now that Hamilton and ricketts are off

3 Canadians must start. Doesn't matter after that

[Detroit_TFC]

Delgado gets one. That should do it.

[tfcfans]

Did what they had to do....Mtl here we come.....hopefully only in June and not August 9th.....

[Bobo]

That second half was enjoyable to watch. Shame I had to work tonight.

But my goodness, Vic is a worse reporter than he is a commentator.

[BenRhodes23]

Not sure what happened with Gio at the end there...

[sn0re]

Not sure what happened with Gio at the end there...
What happened? Had to leave the game early

[OgtheDim]

Big ottawa defender acting like a stuck up pushing Seba around . Ref ignored it all.

[Auzzy]

There were a number of off-the-ball fouls by Ottawa throughout the game. At least a couple by the same big Ottawa defender. The officials missed most of them. Just once I saw the ref signal the advantage which means they actually noticed that foul.

[BenRhodes23]

What happened? Had to leave the game early

It looked like Giovinco pushed one of the Fury defenders and the Ottawa defender blew it out of proportion saying "He punched me in the face"

[lobo]

Game day!
I expect a nice little, clean victory with 2-0, with 1-0 at halftime.
I will be much surprised if we win by 3 goals and shocked if we win by 4 goals.

:scarf:

Are you not shocked?

Good win. Cleansheet. And now we get to disappoint the L'impact yet again.

[PizzaEatingYeti]

Are you not shocked?

Good win. Cleansheet. And now we get to disappoint the L'impact yet again.

Yes, definitively.
I'm SHOCKED!
:yikes:
But I'll take it to be shocked this way watching any TFC game, ever! :ihih:

[SirBobSaget]

First 40 mins OFC had the better chances, could have been up 2-0. Once Ricketts was subbed and they moved to the 4-3-3- then it started coming together. 3-5-2 works well when Morrow Beits or Edwards are at the sides but otherwise its a real struggle.

[Blindside16]

Not sure what happened with Gio at the end there...

The fury defender was taking the body pretty well against Seba, Seba turned around and gave him a one armed shove. The "screw off" kind and the defender went down like someone shot him. Seba was freaking out at the 4th official over the brutal simulation that should have been carded.

[⚒WHUFC⚒]

Hello TFC fans. Does anyone know where the final legs will be played? I'm in Canada for the 27th June and really hope it's at Toronto. I can't seem to find any information yet other than both dates of the final.

Unfortunately I had planned to go to the game vs New England on the 24th but it was moved to the Friday so I will miss it! (Devastated!) This is my only chance of going while visiting...fingers crossed.

[Oldtimer]

Pretty impressed with the coaching strategy there, shifting to 4 in the back when Seba came in limited Ottawa's chances. I like that our team can play multiple systems well.

[OgtheDim]

Hello TFC fans. Does anyone know where the final legs will be played? I'm in Canada for the 27th June and really hope it's at Toronto. I can't seem to find any information yet other than both dates of the final.

Unfortunately I had planned to go to the game vs New England on the 24th but it was moved to the Friday so I will miss it! (Devastated!) This is my only chance of going while visiting...fingers crossed.

You are in luck


http://www.canadasoccer.com/schedule-s15265

[OgtheDim]

Vanney should be given some credit for moving out of the 3-5-2 and using a 4-2-3-1 to break down their 3 DM's. It became obvious early that they were really playing a 3-3-2-1 with 3 deep DM's. Mavinga had so much space it was like having two LB's out there. Once we went to that, they didn't look like scoring.

Tactical pragmatism when all of us were wondering why he didn't just throw in Giovinco.


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Speaking of which, Endoh ain't a WB.

https://www.torontofc.ca/post/2017/05/31/video-room-endoh-vs-ottawa-fury-fc?autoplay=true

[69Chevy396]

Pretty good game. There were several Ottawa fans near me, and they were mesmerized a bit by the ball control displayed by TFC. We have come a long way, and Ottawa's play reminded me of our team circa 2007-2014.
A fan sitting in front of me videotaped the entire game, he was a relative of Endoah.
Hamilton, sadly, would be a better fit on the other side. He had a great opportunity to shine, and instead, withered until he was removed, after doing nothing.

[FootBallAZ]

STH- was at the game, first 40 frustrating as heck, empty stadium, dislike 7 PM start times.
Ref was terrible. Great second half, great possession ,wish they finished the play where they was the heel flick pass.
Seba should Have had assist as Vasquez and whomever was open wide left.
This team pretty darn deep.

[FootBallAZ]

Hello TFC fans. Does anyone know where the final legs will be played? I'm in Canada for the 27th June and really hope it's at Toronto. I can't seem to find any information yet other than both dates of the final.

Unfortunately I had planned to go to the game vs New England on the 24th but it was moved to the Friday so I will miss it! (Devastated!) This is my only chance of going while visiting...fingers crossed.


June 27th @ 7 PM.
I believe there is a game on June 17th- if you are in toronto.

[⚒WHUFC⚒]

Thanks OgtheDim! Fantastic news.

FBAZ - Well I arranged the flights for Friday 23rd to stay in Toronto for the game on Saturday 24th.

About a week after booking the flights the game was rescheduled to the Friday.

I will take this is a great alternative. Night games are special. Rivals. Potentially a trophy. Perfect!

Can't wait to see the passion in the stands.

[Initial B]

That was what I expected would happen in the first leg, but this time Vanney played a first-team back three and I think that made a difference. Dalglish couldn't stop praising Vanney's subs and tactical adjustments after the game. Still, the Fury did pretty well for the first 40 minutes - they didn't look too much out of place. Looking forward to repeating the exercise next year!

[Thomas]

Endoh was MOM


This might be the last time we see Endoh. He's not performing at a top level. Time to go.

[Jpexxx]

Has there been any updates on Ricketts????????

[69Chevy396]

Has there been any updates on Ricketts????????
Sure, I can provide one. He is either great, or horrible. Nobody ever knows for sure.

[jabbronies]

Sure, I can provide one. He is either great, or horrible. Nobody ever knows for sure.

He's great when everyone he's playing against is tired. That's why he's better as a super sub.
I don't mind him starting games now - we get to see what he can/can't do as a starter - but when we are in that playoff race - I expect to see him coming off the bench as per usual.

[C.Ronaldo]

Endoh was MOM

your kidding me :facepalm:

hes dcent depth as an attacker but he is no winger and has no D

[Canary10]

He's great when everyone he's playing against is tired. That's why he's better as a super sub.
I don't mind him starting games now - we get to see what he can/can't do as a starter - but when we are in that playoff race - I expect to see him coming off the bench as per usual.

He really needs to work on his first touch. He'd be so much stronger and way more likely to start if he had one. I think someone described it as a ball bouncing off a concrete wall. That's about right.

[C.Ronaldo]

as an aside, i thought osorio was solid.

he has his usual one extra touch too many here and there, but i was happy to see him have a solid outing.

There was that one point where moore was chewing his head off, but he gave it right back to him. not sure who was at fault on that play. Good to see them strive for perfection, despite being up 3/4 - 0 at that point

[C.Ronaldo]

He really needs to work on his first touch. He'd be so much stronger and way more likely to start if he had one. I think someone described it as a ball bouncing off a concrete wall. That's about right.

but his aerial ability is a nice addition to the team.

[Canary10]

but his aerial ability is a nice addition to the team.

Agreed. He must have a really good vertical because he really gets up there. Or he's deceivingly tall.

[BenRhodes23]

Endoh wasn't great but he made up for it. He's still an MLS bench player in my eyes, but he'll have to earn it against the likes of Ben Spencer

[Oldtimer]

Vanney should be given some credit for moving out of the 3-5-2 and using a 4-2-3-1 to break down their 3 DM's.


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According to TFC it was a 4-4-1-1


http://youtu.be/tuhdpiswVTk

Looked more like a 4-4-2 to me at times.

[Thomas]

No. I thought he had a good match, and was a solid contributor. I'm only talking about last night's match.

your kidding me :facepalm:

hes dcent depth as an attacker but he is no winger and has no D

[ag futbol]

While I wouldn't call it a complete match, I'd say we saw glipses of what Edoh is capable of last night, maybe for the first time.

I think more USL seasoning would do him a solid. Still has to work his way up the depth chart though and wouldn't surprise me if Bez's South America trip recently is focused on finding a budget right sided player to backup Beitashour.

[notthesun]

While I wouldn't call it a complete match, I'd say we saw glipses of what Edoh is capable of last night, maybe for the first time.

I think more USL seasoning would do him a solid. Still has to work his way up the depth chart though and wouldn't surprise me if Bez's South America trip recently is focused on finding a budget right sided player to backup Beitashour.

I think they just have to give up converting him to a RB/RWB. He just doesn't look comfortable there, even at USL level. He was immediately better after moving to RM after Beitashour came on. Goes to show how much you have to credit Edwards for pretty seamlessly moving into the LWB spot. Not every player is that flexible, and if Edwards wasn't he'd probably be in the same kind of hole that Endoh is in now.

Endoh I think is best in any role where he has some freedom to make driving runs off the ball. Increasingly he looks to me like a better player off the ball than he is on it. A good transition player with decent ability to recognize how to get into space. Putting him at RWB, where he has to be more conservative with his runs, limits his best quality. All three of his biggest contributions on the pitch last night came from him getting into good areas when he was off the ball. His movement to the near post on his goal was especially smart. His best moments for us in the past have been similar driving runs (his goal vs. Dallas where he sprinted half the length of the pitch and drove the counter-attack, and in the opener winning the penalty vs. Red Bulls by getting ahead of his man down the middle).

It's far from ideal but I would just go with Cooper as our backup RWB for now. Endoh can make the bench for games where we think we might end up playing conservatively and looking to score on the counter. I think, at least against MLS-level opposition, that the Endoh-at-RWB experiment died with the game vs. Philly. Probably brought back one too many unpleasant memories for Vanney of trying to convert Creavalle to a RB in 2015.

[jabbronies]

He really needs to work on his first touch. He'd be so much stronger and way more likely to start if he had one. I think someone described it as a ball bouncing off a concrete wall. That's about right.

ya his touch in general is horrendous - I mean, as a guy who gets touches on a ball many, many, many, times a day, you think he'd develop some sort of finesse in that aspect of the game

[Captain]

Does anyone have a video link of what happened between Seba and the Ottawa defender? Or did someone see it?

[C.Ronaldo]

that seba goal didnt get the rec is deserved but we expect him to do it

it was so nice

[magmadragon]

Hate to beat a dead horse, but the Argos play 2 days before the 2nd leg. That doesn't feel like enough time (though the grounds crew did make a 3 day turn around kinda work after the grey cup in November so who knows anymore).

[Section_105]

Does anyone have a video link of what happened between Seba and the Ottawa defender? Or did someone see it?

You can't really see what happened on the one camera angle that catches it but ,

The defender was chirping seba after putting in a late hit (as those dirty bastards were doing all game). Seba sqaured up to him and pushes him in the chest to say "back off dickhead"* my words :)

Dude who has a foot and a half on seba goes down like he's been shot in the face. Seba gets nowhere near his face. Then another of their 6' plus dudes makes tries to make it look like seba has taken this guys' head off.....(he's like "seba, why'd you try to kill him").....it was pathetic an all of the respect I had for Ottawa went out the window right there. It was the most disgusting play acting I've seen in a very long time. Seba then chastizes the guy for a good two minutes.

If you support ottawa let your club and coach know you won't stand for that shit. I hate it when cooper gets that shit going and let them know about it as well as chirping him from the sidelines. That was pure garbage and if I was Dalgleish I would suspend the little (big) F&*k for embarrassing the team.