Match Day Voyageurs Semis Leg 1 - TFC @ Ottawa Tuesday May 23 7 pm

[OgtheDim]

http://i.imgur.com/3dfGSMw.png


Have At It People

[Initial B]

We'll play whoever we think can beat you guys. But I think TFC takes this without too much difficulty even if you play the bench.

[notthesun]

We could see Ashtone Morgan return here. He played 45 minutes with TFC II last week and 60 minutes in their match yesterday.

Camargo played well for TFC II yesterday also, had an assist. I wonder if maybe we leave Vazquez at home and just bring Chapman and Camargo as our playmakers.

[Bobo]

So does Jozy play since he's suspended for the weekend? My guess is he'll make the bench at the very least. Wouldn't mind giving him 45 minutes if the attack isn't clicking.

[OgtheDim]

I think we will play Ricketts, Morgan, Hamilton, Chapman & Edwards - apart from Osorio, who is out with his heart issues, that's all the Canadians.

[backbeat]

I think we will play Ricketts, Morgan, Hamilton, Chapman & Edwards - apart from Osorio, who is out with his heart issues, that's all the Canadians.


i hope we play our strongest 11and go for a big clean sheet win - then we can have those options on the return tie

[molenshtain]

i hope we play our strongest 11and go for a big clean sheet win - then we can have those options on the return tie

It's an NASL team. We had no problems playing our back up team on the way to the cup last year against almost full strength Whitecaps and Impact teams. Our starting 11 has played a ton of games recently. They deserve a rest.

If it an't broke don't fix it.

[Oldtimer]

So does Jozy play since he's suspended for the weekend? My guess is he'll make the bench at the very least. Wouldn't mind giving him 45 minutes if the attack isn't clicking.

I expect Jozy to play at least some of the game.

[backbeat]

It's an NASL team. We had no problems playing our back up team on the way to the cup last year against almost full strength Whitecaps and Impact teams. Our starting 11 has played a ton of games recently. They deserve a rest.

If it an't broke don't fix it.

i'm not suggesting we don't continue to rotate our squad as we have been doing, but in doing so still field our best available 11 - i.e. take it seriously - i'd rather a decisive win in Ottawa with far more options for rest on the return leg.

[SirBobSaget]

Not sure what the rules are on calling up reserves. But for the away leg would field a counter attacking squad with the most TFC2 bench players possible. Give Jozy the start if up to it.

Ottawa is a poor USL team on level with TFC2. Should send the reserved to Ottawa to (at worst) draw then finish it off at BMO.

[TFC1154ever]

Do Ottawa play on turf? If so, I wouldn't play Jozy

[Red CB Toronto]

Do Ottawa play on turf? If so, I wouldn't play Jozy

Yes, TD Place in Ottawa has turf. I will be interested to see with the Reds traveling today, who made the trip. I believe they do have to file a roster with the CSA.

[reggie]

didnt Van lose 2 -0 last year when they sent a B team,its not a gimme like it was a few years ago.

irwin
cooper jh moor morgan

endoh cheyrou chapman edwards
hamilton spencer

jozy and ricketts the last 30 if needed

[Loyal]

Keep in mind that if any other team than TFC wins this competition they still must come to BMO field to play TFC in a one game winner take all game for the Champions League birth

TFC can pay a team made up of RPB's in the series and wait for the one game showdown where we can field the "A" team

[molenshtain]

I'd completely forgotten about that.^^^ good call.

Yet another reason to not let any of our starting 11 anywhere near this game.

[ensco]

TFC are probably better off throwing these games to Ottawa.

The reward for winning is to wear out your guys, and lose a game that would sell out BMO (and get 500K or better TV ratings).

[Fort York Redcoat]

TFC are probably better off throwing these games to Ottawa.

The reward for winning is to wear out your guys, and lose a game that would sell out BMO (and get 500K or better TV ratings).

Ahhhh like the "tank".

[notthesun]

https://twitter.com/joshuakloke/status/866720186451230720

[charlieocc]

https://twitter.com/joshuakloke/status/866720186451230720

Nice. I could see a huge Canadian contingent in this one.

Irwin
Hernandez, Moor, Morgan
Edwards, Chapman, Cheyrou, Osorio, Cooper
Ricketts-Hamilton

[ensco]

^Why play Cheyrou? Put Camargo in there.

Same with Moor. Put a TFC 2 CB in there.

[notthesun]

I don't think Ricketts should play either. Jozy's suspended for the match Friday vs. Columbus, so we'll need Ricketts to start and maybe even play 90 minutes. Not worth risking him getting hurt or tiring him out in this game.

I think I'd just start Hamilton and Spencer. Or start Hamilton and use an extra midfielder.

[PizzaEatingYeti]

i'm not suggesting we don't continue to rotate our squad as we have been doing, but in doing so still field our best available 11 - i.e. take it seriously - i'd rather a decisive win in Ottawa with far more options for rest on the return leg.

This.
We should go for a 2 goal difference win in Ottawa, and that will resolve 100% the qualifications, so then we can take very lightly the 2nd game at BMO.

PS:


Keep in mind that if any other team than TFC wins this competition they still must come to BMO field to play TFC in a one game winner take all game for the Champions League birth

TFC can pay a team made up of RPB's in the series and wait for the one game showdown where we can field the "A" team

Oh, I had no idea about this rule, this changes everything fundamentally. I have read it only after I made my post above.
We can play in Ottawa even a team with 6 3rd string players starting in it.

[PAOK17]

Whether or not we throw this series should be based on how see this this competition. If we see it as qualification to the CCL, then perhaps it's not that important to win it this year, and to just go for the one-off with whoever else wins. If we see it as our domestic Cup, then yeah go for it. Due to the size of the tournament (5 teams) I understand why it may not be seen all that big of a deal. I hope one day it grows large enough that supporters see it as more than just a qualifier - as is the case for other domestic cups. I'm pretty sure the FA Cup isn't referred to as a Europa League Qualifier.

[ensco]

it's just risk/reward. I would throw it, or more precisely never play a single starter, because of the weird setup. If we go out, we still get that home game to win this.

I would not invest my starters in four games mid season just to avoid an elimination game on my turf.

[Areathrasher]

^Why play Cheyrou? Put Camargo in there.

Same with Moor. Put a TFC 2 CB in there.

TFC 2 play Wed night so they are gonna have to be creative.

[SirBobSaget]

didnt Van lose 2 -0 last year when they sent a B team,its not a gimme like it was a few years ago.

irwin
cooper jh moor morgan

endoh cheyrou chapman edwards
hamilton spencer

jozy and ricketts the last 30 if needed

Ottowa was a NASL team then. This year they have a similar record to TFC2 in USL. So a mix of TFC bench and TFC2 key players should be able to at least draw the game. At worst not get blown away.

[SirBobSaget]

TFC 2 play Wed night so they are gonna have to be creative.

They have made it clear that results are not the absolute for TFC2. Cal in the TFC3 cavalry.

[SirBobSaget]

it's just risk/reward. I would throw it, or more precisely never play a single starter, because of the weird setup. If we go out, we still get that home game to win this.

I would not invest my starters in four games mid season just to avoid an elimination game on my turf.

Agreed 1--%. Let the first team starters stay home on Tues, Wed, Thu to be ready for Columbus on Friday. If the away squad fails somewhat in Ottawa then release the full force of TFC on Wed.

[OgtheDim]

I can`t believe people on here are volunteering to treat the Voyageurs like the Whitecaps do. We just got rid of the "never in the playoffs" thing, and now we REALLY want to take on the the whole "First Canadian MLS team to lose to a USL squad in open competition" mantle?

The next Impact TIFO writes itself.


And no way a Manning run team takes a pass on a trophy to rely upon a competition process he personally screamed and yelled about as unfair.

*******

Cheyrou plays because Bradley deserves a rest.

We take this competition seriously within the framework of the whole season, just like every season.

[Derko]

I can`t believe people on here are volunteering to treat the Voyageurs like the Whitecaps do. We just got rid of the "never in the playoffs" thing, and now we REALLY want to take on the the whole "First Canadian MLS team to lose to a USL squad in open competition" mantle?

The next Impact TIFO writes itself.


And no way a Manning run team takes a pass on a trophy to rely upon a competition process he personally screamed and yelled about as unfair.

*******

Cheyrou plays because Bradley deserves a rest.

We take this competition seriously within the framework of the whole season, just like every season.

AGREED,

Jozy starts as well, he gets his 'Game Off' Friday through suspension. Take this game and competition serious

[ouderwien]

TFC 2 play Wed night so they are gonna have to be creative.
Wednesday at noon, so I am curious how much TFC 2 regulars will contribute tonight.

[OgtheDim]

FWIW

http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/tfc-toronto-fc-ottawa-fury-greg-vanney-voyageurs-cup-canadian-club-championship/

[shwade]

TSN1

[Oldtimer]

I can`t believe people on here are volunteering to treat the Voyageurs like the Whitecaps do. We just got rid of the "never in the playoffs" thing, and now we REALLY want to take on the the whole "First Canadian MLS team to lose to a USL squad in open competition" mantle?

The next Impact TIFO writes itself.


And no way a Manning run team takes a pass on a trophy to rely upon a competition process he personally screamed and yelled about as unfair.

*******

Cheyrou plays because Bradley deserves a rest.

We take this competition seriously within the framework of the whole season, just like every season.

Agreed. This isn't just about a CCL berth, this is national pride on the line. The V-Cup is worth fighting for.

[James17930]

Glad I can watch this one!

Going to bed right now, and when I wake up – Game Time!

Night folks.

[Gringo Starr]

This day is taking forever. I love all the special moments this competition has given us and I greedily want more. With tonight's first step in this years V Cup, I don't care who plays as long as they play like Will did last year and give everything needed to get the win.

i want this years cup that much more, to make right the unjustice of having our CCL berth taken away, to get the chance to see this kick ass squad against mexicos best clubs, and lastly I'm hoping Montreal makes it the next round just so we can have the chance to beat them down and end their only hope of salvaging a horrible wooden spoon worthy season.

[Greatest Ripoff]

Really happy for the 7pm kick off, means that the match will end around 2am for me and I should be able to get a few hours of sleep. Hoping to see some Canadians in action tonight.

[molenshtain]

First time since 2011 and only third time ever that we've played a team from the lower tiers of the the American pyramid.

Points for those who can name the other two occasions.

[Auzzy]

Anybody going to Joe's for this game?

[canta15]

Puerto Rico and Edmonton?

[Richard]

Hold up. Did someone say that if we loose the competition, then that team who wins still has to beat us in a one game take all?

What incentive is there to play anyone other than our top 22?

Play the 3rd subs guy, hell, play the RPB All Star team lol.

[reggie]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAiu5faXYAAqpH3.jpg

[Stress]

Hold up. Did someone say that if we loose the competition, then that team who wins still has to beat us in a one game take all?

What incentive is there to play anyone other than our top 22?

Play the 3rd subs guy, hell, play the RPB All Star team lol.

I was asking myself the same questions but essentially this gives us two chances to make the champions league. Might as well take a crack at doing it the first time. Would be a bit embarrassing if the RPB all stars started and lost and then we lost the play off game too.

[James17930]

Wow – Morgan can't even crack the 11 in this game.

And who is Mitch Taintor?

[molenshtain]

Puerto Rico and Edmonton?

Bingo.

[CBTFC]

soccerstreams.net has no listing of this game.

anyone have a live stream?

[molenshtain]

Wow – Morgan can't even crack the 11 in this game.

And who is Mitch Taintor?

Late round pick. CB. been making a name for himself at TFC 2.

[OgtheDim]

3rd round draft pick last year - current TFCII captain.

[PizzaEatingYeti]

I cannot find any stream.

[carbontax]

game here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppio9DVnNro

[James17930]

Stream!

http://cdn.livetvcdn.net/webplayer.php?t=ifr&c=702600&lang=en&eid=533723&lid=702600&ci=657&si=1

Edit:

The YouTube stream is way better – use that one!

[carbontax]

And the stands are empty.

[PizzaEatingYeti]

game here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppio9DVnNro

Thanks, I looked on Youtube on the last about 10 minutes, but I could not find but 7-8 BS fake stream links, which direct you to sites you need to sign up and probably pay.

[PizzaEatingYeti]

And the stands are empty.
Super-empty, lol....

[Auzzy]

game here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppio9DVnNro

Thank you!

[James17930]

Endoh's gotta be careful with all this grabbing.

[Oldtimer]

Zero designated players. I guess they didn't want to risk Altidore on the turf.

[James17930]

Everybody's looking pretty mediocre so far.

[OgtheDim]

Edwards seems to have been reading his own press clippings.

[paul-collins]

Weird bounces and poor touches by more than just him. I think the turf looks pretty compacted.

[Richard]

Wow – Morgan can't even crack the 11 in this game.

And who is Mitch Taintor?


The writing is on the wall. Sad really.

[Auzzy]

Everybody's looking pretty mediocre so far.


Edwards seems to have been reading his own press clippings.

I'm really amazed. We've seen many of these players up against much better MLS sides, but managing much better passing and ball control. The turf today may be part of it, but I've seen plenty of really easy passes go wrong. I have a feeling some of the TFC players aren't taking Ottawa seriously enough.

LOL Cheyrou is still doing it though, awesome!

[James17930]

Schweet.

The only thing I can think about Morgan is that TFC II play tomorrow (?) so they're saving him for that. Maybe he'll replace Edwards at some point.

And the turf looks really sticky. Maybe that really is causing big problems with the passing.

[OgtheDim]

At least somebody is taking it seriously. Hernandez & Morrow have locked down their offence.

Chapman is trying but the touches are just off. Hamilton is kinda like Osorio - less he thinks, the better he plays. Needs a forward to play off of.

[notthesun]

Man... Cooper is just terrible this year. What the hell is wrong with him?

[CBTFC]

game here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppio9DVnNro

Thanks man, this stream is perfect so far!

[Red CB Toronto]

Benoit is really bringing it tonight. A true pro that still brings something to the table, scoring for the second straight game.

[James17930]

"Ottawa fans getting their first chance to see TFC"

Gotta love how biased Luke is toward us lol

[Auzzy]

Actually I think Cooper looks better today, at least in terms of not holding the ball too long. I think Vanney (and/or Cheyrou) read him the riot act. Like almost everybody else, Cooper isn't playing great, but at least he's not dribbling into bunches of Ottawa players.

Man Hamilton, how could you miss that header, should have been an easy goal.

[PizzaEatingYeti]

How nice is to watch totally relaxed a match!
Knowing that even if TFC would play like crap and get beaten, still wouldn't mean much. :)

[Auzzy]

TFC has 69% possession, but I think only 2 shots on net? Despite all the possession, the game could easily be tied.

I agree with above, I'm not too worried about the results. But after an amazing display vs. NYRB in terms of passing & control, I just was expecting some nicer play from TFC.

They really should have watered the pitch at half time, pitch is too sticky.

[canta15]

Yea I was disappointed Hamilton didn't score that. Good to see Moor getting more minutes though

[OgtheDim]

A game crying out for the one touch brilliance of Marky Delgado.


Irwin just reeming out Edwards there for laziness.

[James17930]

That guy's better at penalties than Altidore.

[Auzzy]

Fuck that was ugly.

Are TFC going to wake the heck up now?

Unless Edwards seriously turns it around in the next 5 minutes, he should be subbed off.

[James17930]

Oh my god.

that was the worst play I've ever seen.

[Auzzy]

Even uglier.

This game is pissing me off. Seriously guys?

[notthesun]

Lol at that goal

Nobody on the pitch cares about this game at all

[OgtheDim]

That was TFC circa 2007-2013.

[gracos]

at this rate please put in our League 1 Ontario team; we are obviously not playing to win the tournament, might as well play the single game and qualify for the Concacaf that way

[adam1001]

Truly a TFC classic right there.

[OgtheDim]

Lol at that goal

Nobody on the pitch cares about this game at all

Did you see how angry Irwin has been? White hot livid.


Oh, they care....the issue is they are playing like crap and the usual reliables who can just bring the ball down and move it around with pace are not out there.

Waaaay too many players trying to play 3 touch passing

[Auzzy]

Chapman squares another ball in front of the net into a dangerous area just now, after helping to cause the 2nd Ottawa goal that way...

[OgtheDim]

The next time somebody tries to tell me Chapman can play DM, I'm just going to play that goal back. Since he went to the bottom of the midfield after Cheyrou went out, he's been trying suicide passes - I've counted 3 so far.


**********

If we get a second goal and tie this, we are doing well.

[Auzzy]

The next time somebody tries to tell me Chapman can play DM, I'm just going to play that goal back. Since he went to the bottom of the midfield after Cheyrou went out, he's been trying suicide passes - I've counted 3 so far.

**********

If we get a second goal and tie this, we are doing well.

I agree RE Chapman.

Also just now, there was a dangerous turnover, Chapman is close but only slowly jogs along with the Ottawa player rather than hustling and forcing him to the side.

[samuraizero]

Just tuned in at the 82nd minute
The fugg is this side we're fielding?

[James17930]

I can see them scoring again.

Imagine going into next week's game down 3-1?

[Bobo]

I bet Vanney is regretting his decision to leave Jozy at home. Might have been able to lift the kids. Would have been a presence at the very least.

[James17930]

But seriously, our fans need to stop throwing shit.

[gracos]

I am extremely frustrated they didn't play Altidore today, as he is going to be off for a week, due to yellow card accumulation

[molenshtain]

I bet Vanney is regretting his decision to leave Jozy at home. Might have been able to lift the kids. Would have been a presence at the very least.

I highly doubt they'll be thinking much about this game after it's over. Really doesnt matter much.

[OgtheDim]

Edwards didn't learn from his anger issues vs. the Red Bulls.

[James17930]

I am extremely frustrated they didn't play Altidore today, as he is going to be off for a week, due to yellow card accumulation

Yeah, I think he should have played – 45 mins at least.

Anyone else feel that Edwards got himself sent off on purpose?

[OgtheDim]

I highly doubt they'll be thinking much about this game after it's over. Really doesnt matter much.

Oh, I think management will be seething due to the ineptitude shown. Don't mind losing to good goals but those two were crap goals based on really really awful work by players that should know better.

[gracos]

If you told me Toronto would lose to Ottawa tonight, I would have called you crazy; this is absolutely disgusting that we don't care about the CONCACAF Canadian Championship

[Auzzy]

The way Irwin, Vanney and a few others are looking and acting, I do think they will be thinking about this game. They're pissed off. A couple of young guys played themselves out of a spot here.

[Oldtimer]

Couldn't beat a USL team. #firevanney lol, not really. It's our B squad.

[notthesun]

Barely anyone cared. Irwin and Cheyrou, that's about it. Edwards played cocky and his red card won't matter because after that performance he wasn't going to see the pitch next week anyways.

This is simply annoying because now we have to play the starters in the return leg. We're going to advance but we've needlessly made it hard on ourselves.

[KGH]

After watching that I don't know how anyone can think Osario or Hamilton should see minutes with the first team. They can barely play at the USL level. That was painful to watch.

[Oldtimer]

In reality, I expect the paint to peel in the locker room once Vanney has a "talk" with the squad.

[Auzzy]

Oh, I think management will be seething due to the ineptitude shown. Don't mind losing to good goals but those two were crap goals based on really really awful work by players that should know better.

I agree. Management, Cheyrou, Irwin and a few others will be going ballistic on some of the TFC players. Also the ineptitude shown going forward.


Among other things, management will be reminding the players about the healthy contingent of TFC fans who travelled to Ottawa mid-week, to be treated to that shit show.

[gracos]

Why play your B squad, especially not playing Altidore when he is suspended for the next game, this shows no desire in winning the Championship, might as well forget the Trillium Cup as well because it doesn't mean anything, all games mean something and should play for a winning mentality

[sn0re]

Why play your B squad, especially not playing Altidore when he is suspended for the next game, this shows no desire in winning the Championship, might as well forget the Trillium Cup as well because it doesn't mean anything, all games mean something and should play for a winning mentality

The Trillium Cup is an MLS game with points on the line

[ag futbol]

After watching that I don't know how anyone can think Osario or Hamilton should see minutes with the first team. They can barely play at the USL level. That was painful to watch.
Lot of guys looked bad. Just goes to show how a few classy pieces dress up the whole neighbourhood.

For a team that clearly wanted to play though the midfield the passing wasn't crisp enough for a turf field. The number of 3-4 touch plays that should have been 1-2 touch by Chapman, Osorio, Hamilton, et al made it obvious who should be where in the pecking order.

I can understand Edwards frustration on that phantom foul by the official but cooler heads need to prevail.

Anyway, all that said the only crime here was caring. Why not go even greener with the roster and let the 2nd team sort it out.

[Areathrasher]

Shambolic performance.

I'd love to see the passing stats. TFC's were likely awful, couldnt pick a pass all night.

[molenshtain]

Why play your B squad, especially not playing Altidore when he is suspended for the next game, this shows no desire in winning the Championship.

We did the exact same thing last year and won the tournament. A couple guys were overconfident or lacking full fitness and it showed. We played poorly today but there's no reason the same squad or one similiar to it couldn't go out and crush Ottawa next week.

[Auzzy]

Why play your B squad, especially not playing Altidore when he is suspended for the next game, this shows no desire in winning the Championship, might as well forget the Trillium Cup as well because it doesn't mean anything, all games mean something and should play for a winning mentality

If they had played their first string, and somebody got injured on that crap turf, or played tired vs. Columbus on Friday, everyone would have been pissed as well.

Some of the worst players today (at least compared to the role they were expected to play) were Chapman, Edwards, and Osorio; all players who have seen significant first-team time. All players that many fans think should see even more MLS playing time. They didn't prove it today.

Also we were wondering why Hamilton isn't getting a sniff of MLS playing time. I think now we know why.

[Auzzy]

Shambolic performance.

I'd love to see the passing stats. TFC's were likely awful, couldnt pick a pass all night.

Actually TFC's passing & possession stats were vastly superior to Ottawa in the first half, but they did almost nothing with it. Only two shots on goal AFAIK. And then the 2nd half was a complete shit show.

[Richard]

That was realistically 50% B and C team. Give them a break.

[gracos]

and do I have a right to be extremely mad at our team, if our boys decide to not show up on Friday in Toronto, or should we always play what ifs; I think the precautionary actions may come back and haunt us in the future

[molenshtain]

That was realistically 50% B and C team. Give them a break.

exactly.

[backbeat]

That was realistically 50% B and C team. Give them a break.

give them a break for not being able to tie a USL team?

[CBTFC]

That was realistically 50% B and C team. Give them a break.

Yeah...we got an away goal, it's pretty much even heading back to BMO Field. Oh well.

The kids got some minutes, hopefully learned some lessons...and I can tell you I'm not losing sleep over the loss tonight.

The real match this week happens on Friday night against Columbus.

[ag futbol]

and do I have a right to be extremely mad at our team, if our boys decide to not show up on Friday in Toronto, or should we always play what ifs; I think the precautionary actions may come back and haunt us in the future
So we might lose Friday and then lose the second leg and then lose the play-in for the CCL trip?

It was a nothing game, as much as it wasn't a great outing.

[AlanO]

Terrible. A number of players might have ended their chances of re-joining the first team ever again.

Maybe a silver lining - this might prevent a sense of complacency from settling in after a winning streak. I'd rather lose tonight than Friday or next Tuesday.

[Shakes McQueen]

A bunch of guys fighting for first team minutes played themselves out of said minutes. Everyone played like they didn't really care. Vanney and Irwin looked like they were ready to bust some heads in the locker room.

Now Vanney probably has to unsheathe a couple of big guns next week for at least the first half, when they should be resting. These guys tonight really let the entire team down, as far as planning and resting guys for the schedule ahead.

I expected a bit more intensity and pride, considering the streak of MLS results they've been on - and worked hard for.

[Shakes McQueen]

So we might lose Friday and then lose the second leg and then lose the play-in for the CCL trip?

It was a nothing game, as much as it wasn't a great outing.

Yeah, I'm disappointed, but not really hopping pissed or anything. Losing this game wasn't a huge deal, even if I expected a better effort from these guys, considering a bunch of them were playing for more than just a result here.

[backbeat]

As far as i can see it TFC were arrogant and didn't take the away tie seriously playing a sub-par squad

i completely agree with rotating the team and striving for MLS points

but this is how we get into the Champions league - not by league standing but winning this competition

to have the arrogance to think we can just slough off these games and win a one off game is lunacy in my mind

why not at least try and win the competition outright with the fallback being the one off game??

it's a question of character as well

i mean COME ON....

[lobo]

Fuuugly.

[jimiv]

Schweet.

... and the turf looks really sticky. Maybe that really is causing big problems with the passing.

I've seen better turf on some Parkdale balconies. Seriously, is that the Turf of the future CPL? I can't blame the team for being cautious.

[Areathrasher]

Actually TFC's passing & possession stats were vastly superior to Ottawa in the first half, but they did almost nothing with it. Only two shots on goal AFAIK. And then the 2nd half was a complete shit show.
What was the pass completion rate?

[ensco]

The guys we put out there had zero chemistry.

These games are trap games, and this is exactly what happened to Vancouver last year in Ottawa.

The margin between USL and MLS, excluding DPs, is not that big.

Give Ottawa credit. The Ottawa players knew they were in the shop window, and it showed.

[Auzzy]

What was the pass completion rate?

The broadcast crew said it at the half, I can't remember exactly, I think it was 89% for TFC in the first half, compared with low 70s for Ottawa. TFC had 69% possession in the first half.

[KurtLarSUN]

The guys we put out there had zero chemistry.

These games are trap games, and this is exactly what happened to Vancouver last year in Ottawa.

The margin between USL and MLS, excluding DPs, is not that big.

Give Ottawa credit. The Ottawa players knew they were in the shop window, and it showed.

Disagree with this, a bit. If TFC has Hagglund and Zavaleta and Delgado and Vazquez and Beitashour and Moor fully fit, it's a different game.

There were too many young players who underperformed, leading to capitulation in the second half.

For me, this Ottawa team is pretty poor. Created nothing at home. Both goals were provided to them, which is how lower tier side win these Cup games.

Not to take anything away from them, but TFC played a C+ team.

[Red CB Toronto]

Disagree with this, a bit. If TFC has Hagglund and Zavaleta and Delgado and Vazquez and Beitashour and Moor fully fit, it's a different game.

There were too many young players who underperformed, leading to capitulation in the second half.

For me, this Ottawa team is pretty poor. Created nothing at home. Both goals were provided to them, which is how lower tier side win these Cup games.

Not to take anything away from them, but TFC played a C+ team.

So I would expect a similar lineup next Wednesday, especially with the US playing a WCQ tuneup, three days later in Salt Lake? Plus Raheem is out two after being sent off, will be interesting to see how Greg views next week.

[Globetrotter]

Why would we risk playing a DP on that fake field when it's an absolute nothing game? Because he has this weekend off? Would you like them to have the next 3 months off with a torn ACL?

[mistercorporate]

After watching that I don't know how anyone can think Osario or Hamilton should see minutes with the first team. They can barely play at the USL level. That was painful to watch.

This. Also, Edwards is acting like Balotteli, a talented potential who is going to squander his opportunities and earn a rep as an egotistic prima donna. Takes years to develop a good rep, and a couple dumbass acts like that to get your rep steam-rolled in this profession. Remember Kye Kamara? Neither do I!

[MightyDM]

The team looked to me like they had had no time together. Were hesitating a lot, not making the right runs, etc. Morgan looked ok as did Morrow. Oso looked like you would expect after missing a few games and not practicing but hesitation was his worst flaw. Ricketts was ok. Some of the others were very poor and agree that they looked disinterested or overconfident. Cooper Edwards and Chapman's performances were very surprising. Very. Cheyrou excellent.

[DinamoTFC]

A bunch of guys fighting for first team minutes played themselves out of said minutes. Everyone played like they didn't really care. Vanney and Irwin looked like they were ready to bust some heads in the locker room.

Now Vanney probably has to unsheathe a couple of big guns next week for at least the first half, when they should be resting. These guys tonight really let the entire team down, as far as planning and resting guys for the schedule ahead.

I expected a bit more intensity and pride, considering the streak of MLS results they've been on - and worked hard for.

Sums up my thoughts. A lot of players blew their chances tonight.

[OgtheDim]

The team looked to me like they had had no time together. Were hesitating a lot, not making the right runs, etc. Morgan looked ok as did Morrow. Oso looked like you would expect after missing a few games and not practicing but hesitation was his worst flaw. Ricketts was ok. Some of the others were very poor and agree that they looked disinterested or overconfident. Cooper Edwards and Chapman's performances were very surprising. Very. Cheyrou excellent.

Yeah, that's pretty much it for me.

As somebody said, 3 touches passes when 1 was needed.

**********

Bigger question - how is Cheyrou?

[SoccerWatch]

I thought JMo Cheyrou and Hamilton were our best players on a terrible night. Did well up top alone, picked up an assist but should have scored on his header. I'll give the poor performers a break as they've all had much more quality performances than a Tuesday night in Ottawa. On to the return leg !

[Oldtimer]

Whitecaps beating MTL at the 60th minute. Arrgghh! Pointy ball lines.

https://youtu.be/RDPkObJgQeM

[Joe Kool]

That game was a joke. Edwards gets a couple good performances in MLS games and some accolades for it and now he thinks he can run his mouth like a stupid shit. I got to believe you don't get that far into a soccer career without learning how to behave yourself on the pitch especially if you have a yellow already. You could really tell TFC thought they could get points just for showing up. Irwin, Cheyrou, Moor and Morrow seemed to have it together and show why they are starter quality but not enough to pick up the slack of the rest of them. Not counting Ricketts either in the slacker group since he never really got the ball but looked interested when he did get a couple touches. He never got to affect the game with no service. The rest of the guys show why they are either on the bench and/or with TFCII. Not the easiest when you throw a team together with no time to gel but these guys train together all the time so I expected much more and can't really give them that excuse.

[Smokecell]

There was a point in time when I almost thought I was being too hard on Osorio, then this season happened and it culminated my thoughts from the past few seasons - he doesn't belong at this level. The regression is real. He's about to turn 25 he's no spring chicken anymore and thus the "he's young and promising argument" doesn't fly with me. Games like this should be his bread and butter - no better stage to fly the flag and build confidence, yet somehow against a USL side he still doesn't even look like he belongs. Now I know the guy wears TO on his sleeve on and off the field and I genuinely respect that but I truly feel he either needs a change of scenery where there's much less pressure on him OR as some hear have apparently heard - a move to the CPL next year as hard a pill as that might be for him to swallow.

Hamilton - COME ON MAN you have got to finish free headers. I've been an advocate for him and maybe he's been a victim of the formations used (he's completely ineffective as a lone striker) but I fear his window is shrinking. I actually can't tell whether he's more effective aerially or with his feet. I thought his string of performances starting in last years ACC would springboard his career but alas... I would have liked to see Spencer have a go although I did catch a bit of the TBR/FCII game friday and was unconvinced.

Cooper hasn't impressed me nearly as much as last year but I will say in a tough "concacaf" kind of game I'm not sure there's a better guy to have on your team. Disappointing there's no CCL this year for us - I think this squad we have could have made a legitimate run.

Lastly, Mr Chapman - Oh how I long for him to take a crack from the top of the box sometimes. I think if he added this to his game he'd be everything Oso should have been. I'm still waiting for someone on this team to have the balls to do that regularly and I think this team would be running high octane football.

[ensco]

Disagree with this, a bit. If TFC has Hagglund and Zavaleta and Delgado and Vazquez and Beitashour and Moor fully fit, it's a different game.

There were too many young players who underperformed, leading to capitulation in the second half.

For me, this Ottawa team is pretty poor. Created nothing at home. Both goals were provided to them, which is how lower tier side win these Cup games.

Not to take anything away from them, but TFC played a C+ team.

I think this was a lesson in how motivation trumps talent.

I thought Ottawa did a decent job bottling up the midfield, they had long stretches where they were more effective. They held their shape pretty well. To your point, they couldn't create at all.

[Gringo Starr]

We should have taken care of this tonight but if we were due for a sh!t show of a game tonight wasn't a bad time to have it. Flush it and take care of business at home next game.

Disappointing efforts from Edwards, Cooper, Osorio, and Chapman maybe Bradley not being out there threw everyone off a bit

[SirBobSaget]

I liked the lineup Vanney put out. It was enough to take care of business. Then as the game unfolded there was an awful lack of drive from the players that needed to prove something. The veteran players like Cheyrou, Morrow, Irwin, Ricketts, Hamilton put in a professional performance while the fringe players given an opportunity completely blew it.

[RealG-TFC]

We got an away goal and the next game is on grass on our own field. We're fine.

[Auzzy]

We're not really fine. We're playing Tuesday - Friday - Wednesday - Saturday. Vanney will need to use players next Tuesday that he didn't want to. Plus I just heard that a couple of our top players may be missing for the 3rd & 4th game of this stretch, due to an international friendly.

This is the kind of thing that really pisses me off. Watch the highlight below, especially the second view within the video. Chapman sets up the 2nd Ottawa goal with a loopy pass across the middle. Then he remains on the sideline, watching with his head in his hands. Meanwhile a couple more Ottawa players flood towards the goal, with the side that Chapman is on totally exposed. Far too late, Chapman runs towards the middle to help out on defense.

https://twitter.com/CanadaSoccerEN/status/867178287855841280

[OgtheDim]

Cooper does that "I can't believe that happened" thing at least twice a game, with the twist of it being about not getting a foul - its become chronic.

[SoccMan2]

Sorry but this an embarrassing result for the MLS players that played in this game ,embarrassing for those players!

[MightyDM]

A couple of things were clear for me: Chapman works well in the 10 role with Gio and Altidore because he can trust their runs and move the ball instantly. He looks uncomfortable in any other role - there was another game ( Columbus) where he was poor when not in 10 position. So he is essentially a back up for Vasquez at the moment.

cooper was terrible and I think, by his body language, is on his way out.

edwards was lazy defensively. He needs a rocket from the coach

endoh was trying, at least.

i am a fan of Oso and I think people are being harsh given his heartbeat issues: he wouldn't have been training much and it showed. A bit hesitant. Gets a pass for me, the same way Delgado does despite his poor Red Bulls game: they have both showed more.

hamilton was ok.

the back three did not have it together, particularly in the second half.

[Derko]

This game was to be where Osorio, Cooper, Hamilton, Endoh, Chapman, Edwards, Morgan were to shine. And they didn't, disappointed to say the least.
Cheyrou, Morrow, Moor and Irwin played as expected with drive and commitment.
I was surprised at how immature and petulant Edwards was, (hoping it is just a one off) The Balotelli reference was golden in an earlier post.
These are the players we have to depend on during a long and congested schedule, they looked disinterested and very, very amateur. Was this a case of we will just show up and get 3 points, this is football and on any night it is anyone's game, if our depth players have not figured that out yet they never will.

This should have been at least a 2-nil win for TFC, maybe 2-1 with penalty.

I guess we have to depend on Hamilton (he always appears slow and lazy to me) up front with Ricketts on Friday, Maybe Edwards needs to sit to stop that head swelling ego that is starting to develop.

[Still Kicking]

I really believe that the return game in Toronto should be treated as a "you made this bed, now lie in it" situation. Those
who looked subUSL in Ottawa need to play again. No bailing them out with the starting 11.
Rest Moor and Cheyrou - play Cooper, Hernandez, Endoh and all Canadians (Raheem Edwards has ducked out of return responsibilities with his red).

[ensco]

^We should 100% play the kids again next week.

You guys are taking this way too seriously. If Ottawa beats us, it spares us two tough games in June. I am really not sure we should be trying to win these games. I am quite happy to mail it in and play the game in August at BMO

[sn0re]

^We should 100% play the kids again next week.

You guys are taking this way too seriously. If Ottawa beats us, it spares us two tough games in June. I am really not sure we should be trying to win these games. I am quite happy to mail it in and play the game in August at BMO

Is the game in August the cup game?

[Joe Kool]

Now that I slept on it and had a chance to calm and cool down. That game still was shit. :)

[C.Ronaldo]

^We should 100% play the kids again next week.

You guys are taking this way too seriously. If Ottawa beats us, it spares us two tough games in June. I am really not sure we should be trying to win these games. I am quite happy to mail it in and play the game in August at BMO

essentially yes

its the since we robbed you we giae you a 2nd chance, now smile and move on, game

[Prof]

Of the young guns, Endoh played hard and well. Chapman had a good game but made some boneheaded plays. Edwards played like a prima dona. Osoria is ready to be signed by the Woodbridge Strikers and Hamilton by the North Toronto Nitros.

[MightyDM]

I really believe that the return game in Toronto should be treated as a "you made this bed, now lie in it" situation. Those
who looked subUSL in Ottawa need to play again. No bailing them out with the starting 11.
Rest Moor and Cheyrou - play Cooper, Hernandez, Endoh and all Canadians (Raheem Edwards has ducked out of return responsibilities with his red).

Agreed, except that they need to get the defence correct. I'd go with an experienced back three plus Cheyrou, then other players from yesterday.

morgan wasn't bad given he is coming back from foot surgery and should start.

[MightyDM]

Of the young guns, Endoh played hard and well. Chapman had a good game but made some boneheaded plays. Edwards played like a prima dona. Osoria is ready to be signed by the Woodbridge Strikers and Hamilton by the North Toronto Nitros.

I saw it differently. Endoh played hard but was ineffective. Chapman had his worst game by a long shot. Hamilton drifted in and out but was effective when in. Oso was ok but should have been much better than ok. Morgan pretty good considering. Defence a shambles. Edwards I agree with. Cooper very very poor.

also, we lost this all on our own, fair and square, but the officials were pretty poor

[MightyDM]

I think what concerned me was that all of them, except Ricketts and Cheyrou, were almost always waiting for someone else to make the run.

[Initial B]

I'm still pinching myself after last night with mixed feelings about the result. Good to see some of you guys at the game even though I was supporting the Fury and apologies for the one idiot that looked to be picking a fight with some of the Inebriatti guys. I didn't think the pitch felt that bad underfoot. The Fury really are better than their USL record indicates and had extra motivation to defend their house, but I fully expected a B-team that would walk all over them. Instead Vanney put out a Frankenstein B/C team that got a bit complacent after the first half. But I think the real problem was the makeshift backline that looked like it had never played together before and Taintor looked out of his element all night. I think you field one of the normal TFC backlines in the return leg and you should win as handily as Vancouver did last year. I felt bad for Irwin and I saw him doing laps on the field after everyone else had left. Actually had a chance to chat with him after the game and asked him some questions about his CSL days in Ottawa, if he had any GK tips for my son and got a selfie. He has a lot of class (more than Edwards did on the night) and you could tell he was really disappointed in the result.

It may have looked like the stadium was empty, but that's because all the cameras are on the south side of the stadium where the majority of the fans were sitting. the 7,411 that showed up. I'm not sure now many actually paid - there was a local online pizza promotion that they found later allowed you to get a free ticket without actually having to pay for a pizza. But that number was inpressive because the Sens were playing across town at the same time. I think there can be a passion for soccer here in Ottawa. Good luck in the return leg!

[Red CB Toronto]

Is the game in August the cup game?

Yes it is, essentially two games in June or one in August achieve the game thing, a spot in Champions League.

[Section_105]

Yes it is, essentially two games in June or one in August achieve the game thing, a spot in Champions League.
BUT the cup goes to the winner of the tourny not the August game unless I"m mistaken. The August game is just a make up for us to get Champions league rights based on getting hosed due to the Concacaf switch up.

Silverware and the position is my preference but that's just me.

[ensco]

I'm still pinching myself after last night with mixed feelings about the result. Good to see some of you guys at the game even though I was supporting the Fury and apologies for the one idiot that looked to be picking a fight with some of the Inebriatti guys. I didn't think the pitch felt that bad underfoot. The Fury really are better than their USL record indicates and had extra motivation to defend their house, but I fully expected a B-team that would walk all over them. Instead Vanney put out a Frankenstein B/C team that got a bit complacent after the first half. But I think the real problem was the makeshift backline that looked like it had never played together before and Taintor looked out of his element all night. I think you field one of the normal TFC backlines in the return leg and you should win as handily as Vancouver did last year. I felt bad for Irwin and I saw him doing laps on the field after everyone else had left. Actually had a chance to chat with him after the game and asked him some questions about his CSL days in Ottawa, if he had any GK tips for my son and got a selfie. He has a lot of class (more than Edwards did on the night) and you could tell he was really disappointed in the result.

It may have looked like the stadium was empty, but that's because all the cameras are on the south side of the stadium where the majority of the fans were sitting. the 7,411 that showed up. I'm not sure now many actually paid - there was a local online pizza promotion that they found later allowed you to get a free ticket without actually having to pay for a pizza. But that number was inpressive because the Sens were playing across town at the same time. I think there can be a passion for soccer here in Ottawa. Good luck in the return leg!

I was there. I am not an Ottawa guy, but I am totally impressed by that stadium, and by Ottawa's soccer culture.

I think an MLS team would succeed there, although I doubt we'll see that anytime soon.

I think people are short shrifting Ottawa as a team. At the game, I really noticed several of their guys (Williams, maybe Campbell) as players that look like near MLS caliber players, to me.

[C.Ronaldo]

I agree RE Chapman.

Also just now, there was a dangerous turnover, Chapman is close but only slowly jogs along with the Ottawa player rather than hustling and forcing him to the side.

thats the lazy chapman we saw last year b4 he turned things around. I hope that is a reminder to him

[Initial B]

There is a small article in the Ottawa Sun about the game last night, but nary a mention in the Ottawa Citizen or Metro newspapers. It was all about the Sens. :mad5:

[Canuck82]

Was at the game last night - had seats on the south side but quickly moved over to the north to much better seats at midfield. Great echo effect off the north roof made it sound like the TFC supporters section was right behind me. TV placement doesn't do the crowd justice - its even worse looking for USL games when they don't open the north side at all and the cameras make it look like there is nobody in the stadium. The lower bowl on the south side holds about 5-6k when full - so 7k+ seemed just about right. They had 9k last year vs Vancouver (but no hockey competition), and I think it was close to 15k for their first ever game there vs NY Cosmos. Switching the location of the cameras would make a world of difference.

[shwade]

I was there. I am not an Ottawa guy, but I am totally impressed by that stadium, and by Ottawa's soccer culture.

I think an MLS team would succeed there, although I doubt we'll see that anytime soon.

I think people are short shrifting Ottawa as a team. At the game, I really noticed several of their guys (Williams, maybe Campbell) as players that look like near MLS caliber players, to me.

Ottawa can't even support their hockey team in the Eastern finals?

[JamboAl]

Ottawa can't even support their hockey team in the Eastern finals?

Perhaps. But let's put the ACC in Oakville and see how many people from Scarborough show up.

[ensco]

The seats that don't sell at Scotiabank are top corner upper level seats that cost $200 each.

People in Ottawa should be applauded for their intelligence, not scorned for this.

[PizzaEatingYeti]

I really believe that the return game in Toronto should be treated as a "you made this bed, now lie in it" situation. Those
who looked subUSL in Ottawa need to play again. No bailing them out with the starting 11.
Rest Moor and Cheyrou - play Cooper, Hernandez, Endoh and all Canadians (Raheem Edwards has ducked out of return responsibilities with his red).

This x 1000 times!
Plus this will be the only way to see clearly what these guys worth for real.

[anto7]

Always great to see the support from the traveling TFC fans.......however, whoever threw the can of beer towards the Fury player about to take the corner kick is an absolute moron (I am assuming it came from the TFC fans, if I am mistaken my apologies). Can you imagine how much trouble our club would be in if that can had hit the Fury player? Why the hell would someone do that!!!
I hope whoever was in close proximity to where that can came from called out the perpetrator. We don't need that type of moronic behaviour associated with our fans.

[Initial B]

Ottawa can't even support their hockey team in the Eastern finals?
A number of fans are ticked off with Melnyk for doubling the cost of parking at the CTC for playoff games. That, and they don't like the way he's dealt with laying off some long-serving staff members. If they make it to the Stanley cup, I think you'll see sellouts.

[CBTFC]

The seats that don't sell at Scotiabank are top corner upper level seats that cost $200 each.

People in Ottawa should be applauded for their intelligence, not scorned for this.

Yeah exactly. Don't scorn people for making sound, rational decisions and not simply pissing away their money to "support the team".

[TFC Tifoso]

team looked way too casual and paid for it.....hopefully they've learned the lesson for Leg 2....

I blame the loss on Vanney's choice of clothing.....he was not looking dapper in his usual suit and had the track gear on instead....

He looked like Paul Mariner era TFC and the team played like Paul Mariner era TFC.....all he was missing was the taped up temple on a pair of glasses....and Reggie Lambe.....

[ag futbol]

The seats that don't sell at Scotiabank are top corner upper level seats that cost $200 each.

People in Ottawa should be applauded for their intelligence, not scorned for this.
Yeah plunging Canadians for hockey tickets appears to be a national past time. Meanwhile if they sold those tickets at anything close to a reasonable price the arena would be full.

[OgtheDim]

Nobody mentioned the blue shorts.

[Initial B]

^ The Fury standard chant for visiting kit like that is:
"You're Blue!
You're White!
Your team is full of shite!
Edmonton... Edmonton..."
They really don't like FCE. :D

[Gringo Starr]

The impact affiliation must hurt then...

[CowTipper]

team looked way too casual and paid for it.....hopefully they've learned the lesson for Leg 2....

I blame the loss on Vanney's choice of clothing.....he was not looking dapper in his usual suit and had the track gear on instead....

He looked like Paul Mariner era TFC and the team played like Paul Mariner era TFC.....all he was missing was the taped up temple on a pair of glasses....and Reggie Lambe.....

You're bringing back a ton of bad memories bro!

[Mark in Ottawa]

There is a small article in the Ottawa Sun about the game last night, but nary a mention in the Ottawa Citizen or Metro newspapers. It was all about the Sens. :mad5:
And you're surprised?? The Ottawa Media bailed on all sports below the NHL/CFL long ago. The soccer team gets little to no mention all of the time. The only reason this game got any advance press was because an MLS team was in town.
Did anyone know that our local BaseBall team was also playing on Wednesday night?? Nope. Like the Fury they are all but forgotten.

[Mark in Ottawa]

Switching the location of the cameras would make a world of difference.
Some of the Ottawa Supporters did offer to make cardboard cutouts for some of the North Grandstand seats. We could get David Beckham ... The PM ... Shakira ... Dr. Who .... the mind boggles at who we could have at our game ;)
We figured if it caught on we might get all sorts of submissions for our "Phantom Fan" stand.

OSEG was not amused.

[Mark in Ottawa]

Always great to see the support from the traveling TFC fans.......however, whoever threw the can of beer towards the Fury player about to take the corner kick is an absolute moron (I am assuming it came from the TFC fans, if I am mistaken my apologies). Can you imagine how much trouble our club would be in if that can had hit the Fury player? Why the hell would someone do that!!!
I hope whoever was in close proximity to where that can came from called out the perpetrator. We don't need that type of moronic behaviour associated with our fans.
Sitting in the Ottawa Supporters stand all I could think of was that the same thing happened to David Beckham in the Skydome while playing TFC.
All it takes is one moron to tarnish the reputation of a great group of supporters.

[shwade]

Yeah plunging Canadians for hockey tickets appears to be a national past time. Meanwhile if they sold those tickets at anything close to a reasonable price the arena would be full.

Meh, didn't know about their pricing scam but the point was a soccer team may not take off their if potential owners can't see it being sold out regularly despite parking costs and expensive seats and what not. Kudos to the fans for not being doormats but from a potential team investor standpoint they're not going to be excited about that.

[anto7]

Sitting in the Ottawa Supporters stand all I could think of was that the same thing happened to David Beckham in the Skydome while playing TFC.
All it takes is one moron to tarnish the reputation of a great group of supporters.

Yep, that incident came to my mind too. But I also couldn't help think (and this is no disrespect to Ottawa Fury) but why the hell would you throw a beer can at a USL player in a game played in front of 7000 plus fans? . It's not like the Fury are some despised rival of ours. I guess I just don't get that type of idiotic behaviour at all.

[Derko]

Yep, that incident came to my mind too. But I also couldn't help think (and this is no disrespect to Ottawa Fury) but why the hell would you throw a beer can at a USL player in a game played in front of 7000 plus fans? . It's not like the Fury are some despised rival of ours. I guess I just don't get that type of idiotic behaviour at all.

Why throw a beer onto the field or at a player at all? or anything for that matter!!

[anto7]

Why throw a beer onto the field or at a player at all? or anything for that matter!!
Oh I totally agree with you.