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OgtheDim
04-08-2017, 09:24 PM
Have at it people

Red4ever
04-09-2017, 12:29 PM
Great. Pee jokes.

RedsYNWA
04-09-2017, 12:47 PM
We remain unbeaten 1-1

OgtheDim
04-10-2017, 08:56 AM
I'd accept a tie BUT....we are better enough then them to get a win.

If Higuain is not back, they will bunker with 3 DM's like they did against Chicago. If that happens, we will win.

If Higuain is back, they will come out and try to play their passing game. If that happens, we should win.

Oldtimer
04-10-2017, 02:52 PM
Great. Pee jokes.

It's an upgrade from the early days when they had a couple of racist things happen in their stands, combined with Bill Archer's extreme xenophobia against Canada so we called them the KKKrew. Fortunately the racist stuff seems to be a thing of the past, and one never hears from Bill Archer any more.

Red4ever
04-10-2017, 03:06 PM
It's an upgrade from the early days when they had a couple of racist things happen in their stands, combined with Bill Archer's extreme xenophobia against Canada so we called them the KKKrew. Fortunately the racist stuff seems to be a thing of the past, and one never hears from Bill Archer any more.

I think upgrade should be used loosely. Anything is soft compared to racism, doesn't mean we go with it.

Fort York Redcoat
04-10-2017, 03:26 PM
I'll be at Joe's to witness the glory of the first match in the road to the Trillium cup.

http://www.flyingtrillium.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Trillium-grandiflorum-1.jpg

noimpactinmtl
04-10-2017, 07:51 PM
Does anyone have visiting Supporters tickets to Mapfre?

Oldtimer
04-11-2017, 08:40 AM
I think upgrade should be used loosely. Anything is soft compared to racism, doesn't mean we go with it.

I don't think "pee stains" refers to when some of the TFC crowd peed against that fence way back when. I think it's just the colour of their jersey. Pretty innocent ribbing if you ask me, although it's kind of like kid's pee and poo jokes and not in the greatest taste. But then football supporters aren't noted for being the model of civility all the time.

We try to draw the line here between censorship and free-for-all.

Red4ever
04-11-2017, 09:05 AM
I don't think "pee stains" refers to when some of the TFC crowd peed against that fence way back when. I think it's just the colour of their jersey. Pretty innocent ribbing if you ask me, although it's kind of like kid's pee and poo jokes and not in the greatest taste. But then football supporters aren't noted for being the model of civility all the time.

We try to draw the line here between censorship and free-for-all.

Nah im not flagging that it's need of modding, totally with you on the line allowing freedom. Mods have always beem good at that.

I was just flagging its juvenile nature and lack of originality. We're better than that. It solidifies the point I made here last week.

http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/showthread.php?40229-Game-threads&p=1835931#post1835931

Anyway, this thread should go back to being a game thread. Discussion should move there if anyone cares.

OgtheDim
04-11-2017, 09:52 AM
Agreed...not my best.

(Og goes off to a thesaurus to see what rhymes with Schweinsteiger)

Canary10
04-11-2017, 10:30 AM
Maybe we should have a rate Og's match day thread title thread?

Fort York Redcoat
04-11-2017, 11:05 AM
Maybe we should have a rate Og's match day thread title thread?

Sigh

FYI everyone,

One can rate any thread using the "Rate this thread" function at the top of the OP.

Let me know how it goes. I've never done it myself.

ChrisFizik
04-11-2017, 01:16 PM
Does anyone have visiting Supporters tickets to Mapfre?

See the away day thread! http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/forumdisplay.php?6-TFC-Away-Game-Trips

Section_105
04-11-2017, 02:59 PM
Agreed...not my best.

(Og goes off to a thesaurus to see what rhymes with Schweinsteiger)

Hopefully we don't get Geigered while Schweinsteiger serves up Braunschweiger. weak....but it's either that or Piss on the Fire and we're back to pee jokes.


Back to the manufactured rivalry. Thankfully the Montreal buffoons quickly made the KKKrew look like lightweights in the douche-bag category and gave us some real morons to have disdain for.

need to check out how Kekuta is doing for them. I'd hate for him to have a resurgence against us. ....hasn't played a minute for them yet.

CBTFC
04-11-2017, 06:40 PM
*insert obligatory comment about this week's game being a for sure must win, otherwise the season is in shambles*

p.s. wenger out

noimpactinmtl
04-11-2017, 10:47 PM
See the away day thread! http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/forumdisplay.php?6-TFC-Away-Game-Trips

Thanks.

Derko
04-12-2017, 01:23 PM
*insert obligatory comment about this week's game being a for sure must win, otherwise the season is in shambles*

p.s. wenger out

Who was the knob who's only reason for carrying the Wenger Out sign up the stairs between 109 and 110 during the anthems is to get noticed on Facebook, kind of reminds me of the John 3:16 signs at the Olympics, just to be noticed

TFC Tifoso
04-12-2017, 01:30 PM
Who was the knob who's only reason for carrying the Wenger Out sign up the stairs between 109 and 110 during the anthems is to get noticed on Facebook, kind of reminds me of the John 3:16 signs at the Olympics, just to be noticed

believe it or not, there were "Wenger Out" signs at Wrestlemania last week too.....that's actually quite funny to me at least.....

Canary10
04-12-2017, 02:37 PM
Who was the knob who's only reason for carrying the Wenger Out sign up the stairs between 109 and 110 during the anthems is to get noticed on Facebook, kind of reminds me of the John 3:16 signs at the Olympics, just to be noticed

Was also at the tunnel to Liberty Village after the game. Is it funny? I don't know. Maybe.

Flyboy
04-12-2017, 04:02 PM
I'm taking my Mother and kids to Columbus on Saturday, should be a good game, at least affordable food unlike BMO. Ive got 4 tickets in sec 113, hope surrounded by a sea of red!

Hamilton_Red
04-13-2017, 10:53 PM
Time to lay down a statement game tomorrow. 3 points - some goals & put the 1st place team in place.

molenshtain
04-14-2017, 02:10 AM
The Wenger Out meme is really, really funny if you watch Arsenal Fan TV.

If not, I suggest you do. It's high comedy.

KurtLarSUN
04-14-2017, 09:03 AM
For those interested, I pumped Moor's tires in today's Sun....

And looked back at exactly how bad TFC's CB situation was before last year

http://www.torontosun.com/2017/04/13/moor-proving-to-be-reds-defensive-anchor

Brandino88
04-14-2017, 09:09 AM
The Wenger Out meme is really, really funny if you watch Arsenal Fan TV.

If not, I suggest you do. It's high comedy.

Arsenal fan tv is great entertainment. If you haven't watched it yet, I highly recommend it. Dt and claude are the best.

But on a serious note COYR:scarf:

Red CB Toronto
04-14-2017, 09:43 AM
Sorry to see this, hope all is well with Drew.

JUST IN: Toronto FC’s Drew Moor will miss Saturday’s match in Columbus after the discovery of an irregular heartbeat.
“During a medical examination following a training session this week, a cardiac arrhythmia was discovered in defender Drew Moor,” TFC said in a statement.
“Further testing is necessary to determine diagnosis and management, which will take place next week.
“As precaution, Moor will not travel to Columbus for this weekend’s match against Columbus Crew SC.”
It’s believed the issue was discovered during Wednesday’s training.
There's no timeline for the 33-year-old's return.
Moor has been one of TFC’s most steady — and healthy — players over two seasons, appearing in 37 of 39 fixtures.
More to come …

OgtheDim
04-14-2017, 09:46 AM
OH shit

https://twitter.com/DanRiccio590/status/852886074582077441

Hamilton_Red
04-14-2017, 10:03 AM
OH shit

https://twitter.com/DanRiccio590/status/852886074582077441

That's not good. Hope he is OK. I don't think this is a one game out issue.

molenshtain
04-14-2017, 10:16 AM
Cardiac Arrhythmia is a catch all term for any irregular heartbeat. It could be very short term and turn out to be nothing, but it could also be career ending.

Can only imagine what he's going through right now. Wishing him all the best.

molenshtain
04-14-2017, 10:18 AM
Arsenal fan tv is great entertainment. If you haven't watched it yet, I highly recommend it. Dt and claude are the best.

Nah man. Troopz is the star. the rest are filler.

Too bad though, I think he's stopped going to games in protest. they didn't get him for the palace game this weekend, which is truly a crime against humanity.

Hamilton_Red
04-14-2017, 11:17 AM
Can the Arsenal fanboys get a room to themselves?

notthesun
04-14-2017, 11:40 AM
I hope Mavinga starts. Give him a chance to redeem himself.

I really hope it's not serious with Moor. Awful news.

Jpexxx
04-14-2017, 12:22 PM
^
I agree. I think Mavinga should get a chance as well...

Back three of Zava- Haggs - Mavinga?

Joe Kool
04-14-2017, 12:46 PM
^
I agree. I think Mavinga should get a chance as well...

Back three of Zava- Haggs - Mavinga?

..or they will change formation to a 4 man back line of Morrow Hagglund Zav Beita to avoid putting Mavinga back in. I think they may just swap in Mavinga to keep 5 in the back then if it looks to be going south change the formation later on.

ag futbol
04-14-2017, 12:48 PM
Hope he is okay.

Have to say he is probably the most irreplaceable member of our squad. We can always get goals from elsewhere but leadership on the backline remains a huge question.

OgtheDim
04-14-2017, 01:14 PM
Well they knew as of yesterday so they have time to put a person in but I can't see them trying a back 4 in this game. CBus loves to keep the ball and the way to beat them is with wing play.

I'd like to see Zavaletta in the middle and Hernandez on the right of the 3 but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

notthesun
04-14-2017, 01:20 PM
I'd put Hagglund RCB where he should be a little more comfortable, Zavaleta in the middle and Mavinga LCB. I strongly think Mavinga should start, I don't like the idea of burying a guy for one bad game. We signed him to compete for a starting spot, if not eventually move into one, and this is his chance to do that. I hope Vanney sees it this way.

OgtheDim
04-14-2017, 03:33 PM
Davidson at training today

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/sports/moor+miss+game+with+irregular+heartbeat/13301585/story.html


Mavinga & Hernandez with injuries so likely Morrow to LCB, Hagglund to the middle and Raheem Edwards on the LWB position.

notthesun
04-14-2017, 03:34 PM
edit: ^Beat me to it.

Vazquez, Altidore and Giovinco are probably gonna have to do some serious work offensively for us to come away with a win here.

OgtheDim
04-14-2017, 05:33 PM
FWIW,

Chapman, Delgado & Endoh all made the trip to Columbus this afternoon.

ag futbol
04-14-2017, 06:15 PM
Davidson at training today

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/sports/moor+miss+game+with+irregular+heartbeat/13301585/story.html


Mavinga & Hernandez with injuries so likely Morrow to LCB, Hagglund to the middle and Raheem Edwards on the LWB position.
Wow, talk about bad timing all around. Edwards will have some defensive duties to cover but excited to see him play again.

molenshtain
04-14-2017, 06:31 PM
What's up with Brandon Aubrey? how can he not get an early season run out? wasn't he supposed to be one of the best players in the draft?

MightyDM
04-14-2017, 09:16 PM
^
I agree. I think Mavinga should get a chance as well...

Back three of Zava- Haggs - Mavinga?

Highly unlikely Mavinga even makes the bench. My money is on a 4-4-2 with Cooper and Oso in.

if he insists on a back three, look for Morrow to be part of it.

Edit: just saw Davidson article. He is usually right. So I might be too!

OgtheDim
04-15-2017, 06:53 AM
So Zavaleta tweeted out a "going to miss you Grandma" tweet last night. His head, and Vanney's (assuming this is the family matter that has kept him away for a few days this week), may not be all there tonight.

Condolences to all the families involved.

Fort York Redcoat
04-15-2017, 08:15 AM
So Zavaleta tweeted out a "going to miss you Grandma" tweet last night. His head, and Vanney's (assuming this is the family matter that has kept him away for a few days this week), may not be all there tonight.

Condolences to all the families involved.

Well said Og. Seconded.

MightyDM
04-15-2017, 09:31 AM
I'd put Hagglund RCB where he should be a little more comfortable, Zavaleta in the middle and Mavinga LCB. I strongly think Mavinga should start, I don't like the idea of burying a guy for one bad game. We signed him to compete for a starting spot, if not eventually move into one, and this is his chance to do that. I hope Vanney sees it this way.

i don't think Mavingas benching is because of one bad game. Attitude.

Oldtimer
04-15-2017, 10:52 AM
Crew are also missing their CD, Mensah, who is one of their DPs.

http://www.dispatch.com/sports/20170414/crew-cuts-mensah-unlikely-to-play-saturday-against-toronto-fc

Jpexxx
04-15-2017, 11:31 AM
Last line of the Davidson article-- Forgot they grabbed Manneh... He tends to score against TFC so hopefully he's not ready for his debut yet.

notthesun
04-15-2017, 11:46 AM
i don't think Mavingas benching is because of one bad game. Attitude.

I haven't heard anything about him having a poor attitude. Have you?

MightyDM
04-15-2017, 12:11 PM
I haven't heard anything about him having a poor attitude. Have you?

Yes, if you read everything from Bradley, Moor and Vanney about the last game, plus that was scurrlebutt about why he left France, somewhere.

to be fair, I have not seen it at all, but his not listening to direction and stubbornnly playing the way he wanted not the way Vanney wanted comes through in the various comments post Atlanta, if read closely. Not malingering type attitude but " I am right " type attitude

OgtheDim
04-15-2017, 01:14 PM
Mavinga is out this week because he's injured. Alseth travelled with the team according to Wheeler.

OgtheDim
04-15-2017, 06:05 PM
Journos saying a BIG wind going from the right side of the TV view of the pitch to the left.

OgtheDim
04-15-2017, 06:15 PM
A tie is likely, and a loss would not surprise me.

We are always in with a chance but this has not been the 2016 version of Columbus.

James17930
04-15-2017, 07:15 PM
Y'all got any more of them YouTube streams?

Petor
04-15-2017, 07:15 PM
With Irwin out we will have to score at least 3.
1-3 TFC


Giovinco with 2 and Altidore with one

James17930
04-15-2017, 07:20 PM
Normally I use this site:

http://livetv.sx/enx/eventinfo/516598_columbus_toronto/

But all the channels are showing the Leafs on Sportsnet for some reason.

MightyDM
04-15-2017, 07:27 PM
Mavinga is out this week because he's injured. Alseth travelled with the team according to Wheeler.

Thats what they say Og, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's the full truth. " Minor injury " leaves it open to the coach next week to bring him back next week, exactly the same way if he had been sent a message. We will never know.

MightyDM
04-15-2017, 07:30 PM
Seba, Jozy, and V.V. Passing the ball around gives me huge confidence going forward. At the same time, Hagglund and Zavaleta passing the ball around at the back makes me very nervous.

MightyDM
04-15-2017, 07:30 PM
Hanson schooled Cooper there.

PizzaEatingYeti
04-15-2017, 07:33 PM
After 20 minutes of searching I could find just this miserable stream:
http://link.ltv.su/667672/en
It's more frozen than running.

Gio is also miserable with his free kicks in the last 5 months or so...

OgtheDim
04-15-2017, 07:40 PM
http://firstrowca.eu/watch/531747/1/watch-columbus-crew-vs-toronto-fc.html


Everything else is crap.


Unlike how we are currently playing.

CBTFC
04-15-2017, 07:41 PM
Chalk up another assist for Vasquez!

Who was saying again that Osorio should be starting over him?? ;) :P

James17930
04-15-2017, 07:41 PM
Yeah, I've got this one:

http://cdn.livetvcdn.net/webplayer.php?t=ifr&c=667672&lang=en&eid=516598&lid=667672&ci=64&si=1

But it's not working so great either.

BeachTory
04-15-2017, 07:41 PM
I have a stream for PC on zorosports.ml

ag futbol
04-15-2017, 07:41 PM
Great start for the team. Really like how we are moving the ball around.

OgtheDim
04-15-2017, 07:45 PM
Oh and anybody who tells me Giovinco doesn't care as much should take a quick boo at how he tracked back on that botched corner play and got the ball.

MightyDM
04-15-2017, 07:47 PM
Chalk up another assist for Vasquez!

Who was saying again that Osorio should be starting over him?? ;) :P

That would be me.

CBTFC
04-15-2017, 07:50 PM
Serious/legit question. Including his performance so far this evening, has Vasquez done enough to consider changing your position?

MightyDM
04-15-2017, 07:54 PM
Who is Pais? Defender?

Cashcleaner
04-15-2017, 07:55 PM
Altidore!!!!

He scored just as I was typing how good he was looking on the pitch tonight. Same with Edwards. He could very well be a diamond in the rough for TFC.

Hamilton_Red
04-15-2017, 07:56 PM
Brutal Cooper!Wtf... gave up in that.

MightyDM
04-15-2017, 07:58 PM
I think Osorio should start over Cooper. Already this game, Cooper dove and gave Columbus a break, it is getting embarrassing. And just lost Higuain on that goal.

Vasquez is terrific going forward and we need that. Time will tell whether we can afford three players who do not defend.

SoccMan2
04-15-2017, 07:58 PM
Score on your fucken chances you don't and this fucken happens, joke.

Red CB Toronto
04-15-2017, 07:58 PM
Who is Pais? Defender?

Backup GK

PizzaEatingYeti
04-15-2017, 07:59 PM
It's the same shit again and again and again and again.
How many chances needs TFC to get 1 goal and how many needs any of the opponents ... since the beginning of this season????

MightyDM
04-15-2017, 08:00 PM
Caldwell is excellent. Calls it as he sees it, without making it about him.

notthesun
04-15-2017, 08:00 PM
So cheap and so lazy from Cooper. He's been awful this season IMO. Put Osorio back in, yeah he can't finish for shit but I trust him more in build up and if he makes a mistake he'll actually hustle to make up for it.

MightyDM
04-15-2017, 08:01 PM
Backup GK


Oh right, of course. Our subs are all midfielders, save Ricketts.

__wowza
04-15-2017, 08:02 PM
11 shots, 4 on target vs. 6 and 2.

if i asked you which team was winning 2-1..

OgtheDim
04-15-2017, 08:02 PM
That second goal was all because Edwards decided to run around like a chicken with his head cut off and go for a header that was Hagglund's.

MightyDM
04-15-2017, 08:02 PM
So cheap and so lazy from Cooper. He's been awful this season IMO. Put Osorio back in, yeah he can't finish for shit but I trust him more in build up and if he makes a mistake he'll actually hustle to make up for it.

Agreed.

Gringo Starr
04-15-2017, 08:03 PM
Zavs is having a bad night

SoccMan2
04-15-2017, 08:03 PM
Sad!

PizzaEatingYeti
04-15-2017, 08:04 PM
OK, let's face it., lately the defense went total crap, and we need 5-6 big chances to get 1 goal.

CBTFC
04-15-2017, 08:05 PM
Maybe we should go to 4 at the back for the 2nd half.

MightyDM
04-15-2017, 08:06 PM
That second goal was all because Edwards decided to run around like a chicken with his head cut off and go for a header that was Hagglund's.
yes. Also because we didn't move to a 4-4-2 with Moor out. B-Z-H-M much more solid. Lots of blame to go around, including on the coaching staff, but Morrow was out of position on the first goal.

Just before Columbus scored, I was about to say how good we looked, and how we had the game under control. Hahaha, even thinking that is a curse

James17930
04-15-2017, 08:07 PM
The first goal against was terrible – everybody just fell asleep.

That second one was scrambly, but why wasn't Bradley on the post?

Sigh – we have to take at least a point from this game, but I was really hoping for a win. Hopefully Vanney tears them a new one during halftime and they come out on fire.

C.Ronaldo
04-15-2017, 08:08 PM
That second goal was all because Edwards decided to run around like a chicken with his head cut off and go for a header that was Hagglund's.

Hes a kid thats never plays D. I blame the experiment.

But haglund needs to call him the fuck off or just push him. He needs to command that line

ag futbol
04-15-2017, 08:08 PM
Agreed Cooper looks out of sorts. I think he has to be moved to the subs bench.

Unfortunate for Edwards error. He has some real positivity about his game but still makes some rookie mistakes. Think he's eager to do a lot of things but needs to feel out the game a bit. It's clear the attacking side comes naturally - defensively requires some seasoning.

OgtheDim
04-15-2017, 08:08 PM
The problem with the 4 man backline is we lose all our width. All Columbus has to do is clog up the middle (see a good chunk of last year). That and we've been practicing in the 3-5-2 all season and trying to change in 2 days would be difficult.

jloome
04-15-2017, 08:10 PM
The first goal against was terrible – everybody just fell asleep.

That second one was scrambly, but why wasn't Bradley on the post?

Sigh – we have to take at least a point from this game, but I was really hoping for a win. Hopefully Vanney tears them a new one during halftime and they come out on fire.

On the first one, Hagglund wasn't aware of who was playing off his shoulder. Losing Kamara, their best striker by a mile, is pretty piss poor.

On the second, Bradley played the post loose, as if he wasn't needed there. If he'd done his job and stayed on the line, that wouldn't have gone in.

Redcoe15
04-15-2017, 08:10 PM
So tell me, how is it that a side that is favored to win the Eastern Conference can get bitchslapped at the half by a pathetic side that has no business beating our side. :toetap05:

ag futbol
04-15-2017, 08:12 PM
^ still there was nobody within 4 yards of a guy on a second ball inside the six. Looked shambolic.

Hamilton_Red
04-15-2017, 08:13 PM
Dunfield ...Giovinco .."MLS' best player"...FFS he is Isn't even in the top 20 in 2017. Needs to sit on the bench for a while.

Auzzy
04-15-2017, 08:14 PM
No idea why Zavaleta wandered into the middle on the first goal, leaving the back post massively open.

On the 2nd goal, there were about 4 Columbus players all open directly in front of Bono. Any of them could have scored. Either all the TFC players have to pull out (incl. Bradley), or they need to cover those guys in front of net (makes more sense when the ball is still so close and hasn't really been cleared).

Of course before both goals, there were plenty of other screw ups before the play got that far. I really feel the the organization & authority of Irwin & Moor are missing. On the other hand, Bradley doesn't seem to organize much during the run of play.

__wowza
04-15-2017, 08:15 PM
Dunfield ...Giovinco .."MLS' best player"...FFS he is Isn't even in the top 20 in 2017. Needs to sit on the bench for a while.

i'm sorry, are you comparing giovinco to dunfield? am i getting that straight?

PizzaEatingYeti
04-15-2017, 08:16 PM
Dunfield ...Giovinco .."MLS' best player"...FFS he is Isn't even in the top 20 in 2017. Needs to sit on the bench for a while.

This.
Since the first game with Montreal in the playoffs he's playing like a guy worth 1 million paid per year, not 6 or 7 what he's paid now.

OgtheDim
04-15-2017, 08:17 PM
So tell me, how is it that a side that is favored to win the Eastern Conference can get bitchslapped at the half by a pathetic side that has no business beating our side. :toetap05:

Columbus has been better then anybody in the East not named Toronto or Atlanta. Their offence is quite good. Their defence and specifically their defensive midfield has been suspect. This game isn't over by any means. It might get over soon but not at only 2-1.

Gringo Starr
04-15-2017, 08:18 PM
No idea why Zavaleta wandered into the middle on the first goal, leaving the back post massively open.

On the 2nd goal, there were about 4 Columbus players all open directly in front of Bono. Any of them could have scored. Either all the TFC players have to pull out (incl. Bradley), or they need to cover those guys in front of net (makes more sense when the ball is still so close and hasn't really been cleared).

Of course before both goals, there were plenty of other screw ups before the play got that far. I really feel the the organization & authority of Irwin & Moor are missing. On the other hand, Bradley doesn't seem to organize much during the run of play.

This

someone is going to have to become the vocal leader back there in Moor and Irwin's absence

MightyDM
04-15-2017, 08:19 PM
The problem with the 4 man backline is we lose all our width. All Columbus has to do is clog up the middle (see a good chunk of last year). That and we've been practicing in the 3-5-2 all season and trying to change in 2 days would be difficult.

True. But it's also true that it was relatively predictable that Edwards and Morrow would leave gaps behind them ( first goal ). And all of these players have played 4-4-2, for years. Fairly easy to revert to.

Hamilton_Red
04-15-2017, 08:19 PM
i'm sorry, are you comparing giovinco to dunfield? am i getting that straight?

No that's what Dunfield said. Sorry - I should have used proper grammar.

James17930
04-15-2017, 08:20 PM
In defense of Gio:

He recently had a new baby. That's a very trying time for a person, and it's possible he's not sleeping well and he's a bit distracted.

Also, it's been crappy fall/winter/spring weather since the playoffs last year. He always seems to excel in the summer when it's warmer.

And I just don't see him not trying. He's trying. His body language looks positive. It's just not quite all there for him at the moment.

Not to mention he's often double- and triple-teamed.

MightyDM
04-15-2017, 08:21 PM
On the first one, Hagglund wasn't aware of who was playing off his shoulder. Losing Kamara, their best striker by a mile, is pretty piss poor.

On the second, Bradley played the post loose, as if he wasn't needed there. If he'd done his job and stayed on the line, that wouldn't have gone in.

wasnt it Zavaleta not Hagglund, on the first?

Cashcleaner
04-15-2017, 08:23 PM
Man, what a half. Started off with one of our best 30 mins played so far this season. Columbus ended up completely dictating the pace after up to and after their 1st goal.

Redcoe15
04-15-2017, 08:28 PM
columbus has been better then anybody in the east not named toronto or atlanta. Their offence is quite good. Their defence and specifically their defensive midfield has been suspect. This game isn't over by any means. It might get over soon but not at only 2-1.

not a fuckin' good enough excuse!!! Tfc needs to get a victory over the fucking pissstains!!!

MightyDM
04-15-2017, 08:29 PM
Man, what a half. Started off with one of our best 30 mins played so far this season. Columbus ended up completely dictating the pace after up to and after their 1st goal.

Thats what I have seen too.

__wowza
04-15-2017, 08:29 PM
cooper out.
osario in.
thank god.

PizzaEatingYeti
04-15-2017, 08:31 PM
I don't know why even Cooper started the 2nd half?

CBTFC
04-15-2017, 08:31 PM
Nice to see the early sub.

Auzzy
04-15-2017, 08:32 PM
Some awful camera work from time to time. Way too many useless or late closeups.

PizzaEatingYeti
04-15-2017, 08:35 PM
Some awful camera work from time to time. Way too many useless or late closeups.
US and Canada Tv crews know still nothing about soccer.
Let's wait another 20 years until we'll have European quality transmissions. :)

__wowza
04-15-2017, 08:35 PM
we haven't looked like a threat at all in the past 15 minutes.

Auzzy
04-15-2017, 08:35 PM
Another Edwards screw-up breaks a great run of possession & almost leads to a goal.

MightyDM
04-15-2017, 08:35 PM
Why I like Osorio: he is always in the right place. He has great touch. TheDP's clearly respect him and his ability. He hustles. He cares. And he is one of our own.

Auzzy
04-15-2017, 08:37 PM
US and Canada Tv crews know still nothing about soccer.
Let's wait another 20 years until we'll have European quality transmissions. :)

I agree overall, but I think many of the Cdn broadcast are actually better than this.

notthesun
04-15-2017, 08:37 PM
Somebody explain to me how Delgado and Chapman can't find any minutes in this midfield... They both put in a good number of quality minutes last year and now we don't trust them?

Tired of seeing Cooper for Osorio, Osorio for Cooper every game and us not getting results. Can we mix it up please? Should've started Osorio and put in Delgado if we had the lead now or put in Chapman if we needed a goal. Or even start Delgado, he's dependable if unspectacular and his defensive work rate probably would've helped with us having a makeshift back line.

We have legitimate options in midfield, it's not exactly working, but we aren't changing anything. Am I crazy?

PizzaEatingYeti
04-15-2017, 08:37 PM
Another Edwards screw-up breaks a great run of possession & almost leads to a goal.
Luckily the finish was like Osorio 2.0.

Hamilton_Red
04-15-2017, 08:37 PM
Should get Rickets on for Edwards.

Hamilton_Red
04-15-2017, 08:41 PM
Altidore and Vasquez need to step up and tell Giovinco nco to standback feom freekicks.

__wowza
04-15-2017, 08:41 PM
honest question; when's the last time gio scored from a free kick?
i know he put one off the bar last game, but "off the bar" does not a goal make.

Auzzy
04-15-2017, 08:41 PM
Time for Altidore to take a free kick?

ag futbol
04-15-2017, 08:42 PM
Should get Rickets on for Edwards.
Please no. Edwards has already found giovinco 3-4 times with forward passes. That's more than Ricketts can manage. I like the guy, but if it's not chasing down balls played over the top in a stretched game he has little use.

I think Chapman deserves a run out. Vasquez hasn't been too great in this one.

69Chevy396
04-15-2017, 08:43 PM
In defense of Gio:

He recently had a new baby. That's a very trying time for a person, and it's possible he's not sleeping well and he's a bit distracted.

Also, it's been crappy fall/winter/spring weather since the playoffs last year. He always seems to excel in the summer when it's warmer.

And I just don't see him not trying. He's trying. His body language looks positive. It's just not quite all there for him at the moment.

Not to mention he's often double- and triple-teamed.

I can't remember the last time he scored on a free kick. I love the player, but he isn't the same.

MightyDM
04-15-2017, 08:44 PM
Somebody explain to me how Delgado and Chapman can't find any minutes in this midfield... They both put in a good number of quality minutes last year and now we don't trust them?

Tired of seeing Cooper for Osorio, Osorio for Cooper every game and us not getting results. Can we mix it up please? Should've started Osorio and put in Delgado if we had the lead now or put in Chapman if we needed a goal. Or even start Delgado, he's dependable if unspectacular and his defensive work rate probably would've helped with us having a makeshift back line.

We have legitimate options in midfield, it's not exactly working, but we aren't changing anything. Am I crazy?

right now it's Vasquez Cooper Oso and likely Chapman Delgado, in that order. I'm not a fan of Cooper, but it's hard to argue that he's behind Chapman and Delgado

__wowza
04-15-2017, 08:44 PM
is it just me or has columbus been reading our chant book?
there's only one song i've heard out of them that we don't sing at BMO.

69Chevy396
04-15-2017, 08:45 PM
Please no. Edwards has already found giovinco 3-4 times with forward passes. That's more than Ricketts can manage. I like the guy, but if it's not chasing down balls played over the top in a stretched game he has little use.

I think Chapman deserves a run out. Vasquez hasn't been too great in this one.Really. Vas has been their best player in my opinion

Auzzy
04-15-2017, 08:46 PM
Great pass from Edwards earlier, why the hell didn't Giovinco one-time that?

notthesun
04-15-2017, 08:48 PM
right now it's Vasquez Cooper Oso and likely Chapman Delgado, in that order. I'm not a fan of Cooper, but it's hard to argue that he's behind Chapman and Delgado

Something's gotta give if we keep drawing games. At the very least try Chapman or Delgado off the bench instead of always going to whoever of Cooper and Osorio didn't start.

jloome
04-15-2017, 08:49 PM
Great pass from Edwards earlier, why the hell didn't Giovinco one-time that?

Perhaps he's lost his third gear. He seems to look this year like his best days are behind him. Given that a striker's best years are usually 26-30 and he's 30, he may be coping with having to alter his style for lost quickness. That may also be why he went to talk to a physician in Italy, if he feels it's something physically correctable, or was hoping as such.

Certainly, he doesn't look joyous when playing, his free kicks are way off. He has the yips, no doubt.

ag futbol
04-15-2017, 08:50 PM
Something's gotta give if we keep drawing games. At the very least try Chapman or Delgado off the bench instead of always going to whoever of Cooper and Osorio didn't start.
Agreed. While I generally concur the latter are better, the former should at least be given an occasional opportunity to keep everyone honest.

jloome
04-15-2017, 08:50 PM
Great pass from Edwards earlier, why the hell didn't Giovinco one-time that?

Edwards is a really promising winger but not much of a defender.

jloome
04-15-2017, 08:51 PM
Agreed. While I generally concur the latter are better, the former should at least be given an occasional opportunity to keep everyone honest.

We've become predictable in this formation. Everyone is pressing the deep outlet man now because we build through Bradley dropping back every time. We should change formation.

__wowza
04-15-2017, 08:51 PM
my favourite part about all of this is hearing about how vanney's secret plan is to put pressure on the offensive third that'll cause columbus to make mistakes.. and then we see shit turnovers like that happening against us by a team that can actually pull it off a couple of times a match.

MightyDM
04-15-2017, 08:51 PM
They need to bring Edwards off. I'd say Ricketts Chapman for Vasquez Findlay

DinamoTFC
04-15-2017, 08:52 PM
Giovinco a shadow of his former self. Not consistent enough to be considered best player ever in mls.

He's literally losing every ball and can no longer score from free kicks.

Vazquez and Giovinco don't contribute enough defensively. We might need to go back to 4 at the back so we can have more midfielders on the field.

Auzzy
04-15-2017, 08:53 PM
Edwards is a really promising winger but not much of a defender.

For sure, I'm surprised Edwards is still playing, but that was good by him for a change.

MightyDM
04-15-2017, 08:53 PM
We've become predictable in this formation. Everyone is pressing the deep outlet me now because we build through Bradley dropping back every time. We should change formation.

yes, very good point.

jloome
04-15-2017, 08:53 PM
They need to bring Edwards off. I'd say Ricketts Chapman for Vasquez Findlay
Edwards has provided the last three decent balls into the box. We just need him playing higher and a real wing back, or to go to a flat four and play him wide up top with Giovinco and Altidore centrally. But he's definitely a defensive hazard right now.

__wowza
04-15-2017, 08:55 PM
that was just frustration from bradley there.
i don't blame him. i wanna kick the shit out of my TV.

MightyDM
04-15-2017, 08:56 PM
What a pass by Osorio!

jloome
04-15-2017, 08:56 PM
Ouch. Then Edwards does that.

69Chevy396
04-15-2017, 08:56 PM
Perhaps he's lost his third gear. He seems to look this year like his best days are behind him. Given that a striker's best years are usually 26-30 and he's 30, he may be coping with having to alter his style for lost quickness. That may also be why he went to talk to a physician in Italy, if he feels it's something physically correctable, or was hoping as such.

Certainly, he doesn't look joyous when playing, his free kicks are way off. He has the yips, no doubt.
He needs to turn it around, or this will be a tough season for TFC. Seba scored pretty easily against some woeful expansion sides, and started to look mortal after his injury.

PizzaEatingYeti
04-15-2017, 08:58 PM
NOw this was very bad from Edwards.

__wowza
04-15-2017, 08:58 PM
there's that attacking pressure vanney was talking about!

too bad it's columbus that's executing it..

MightyDM
04-15-2017, 08:58 PM
Edwards has provided the last three decent balls into the box. We just need him playing higher and a real wing back, or to go to a flat four and play him wide up top with Giovinco and Altidore centrally. But he's definitely a defensive hazard right now.

Agreed. Wide left in a 4-4-2. But he doesn't have the defensive presence to be a wingback, yet.

Auzzy
04-15-2017, 08:58 PM
Yippee Ricketts, what a surprise. Columbus defenders aren't playing high enough for Ricketts to be useful IMO.

MightyDM
04-15-2017, 09:01 PM
Cheyrou! Yay! I love Cheyrou.

__wowza
04-15-2017, 09:02 PM
seeing osario fight for those balls gives me hope.

Detroit_TFC
04-15-2017, 09:03 PM
They are falling in love with Cheyrou? Should we be the ones singing that? :)

Auzzy
04-15-2017, 09:04 PM
I hope Williams doesn't score a goal against us...

69Chevy396
04-15-2017, 09:08 PM
This game was a f**king stinker

Auzzy
04-15-2017, 09:09 PM
Fack. Frustrating.

DinamoTFC
04-15-2017, 09:09 PM
This is absolutely embarrassing. This team is playing like horse shit. You'd never guess this was a team who almost won mls cup.

Do these guys even want to win. They play every game well for 30 minutes then look like they are gassed.

Seems like 3 5 2 doesn't work anymore. Everyone's figured it out.

__wowza
04-15-2017, 09:10 PM
i felt like i just wasted the past hour and 15 minutes.
haven't felt like that since watching TFC's 2013 season.

not good.

stevep
04-15-2017, 09:10 PM
This game was a f**king stinker

garbage game
columbus is garbage
not saying much about tfc losing this game
good thing i didnt pay for this game

ag futbol
04-15-2017, 09:10 PM
We've become predictable in this formation. Everyone is pressing the deep outlet man now because we build through Bradley dropping back every time. We should change formation.
Yeah, agreed. When we started with this it was new, effective, and the best use of the players we had available. It's now predictable.

If Vanny wants to continue to earn his keep he has to find ways to continue to make his most expensive players his best players. As much as Gio has dropped off we aren't doing the guy any favours.

Honestly I'll take the loss vs. a tie as this team can start coming to grips with some of its lousy play.

Auzzy
04-15-2017, 09:11 PM
Good night. I honestly wasn't expecting anything today, but still frustrating how it played out. Columbus wasn't great for long stretches, but TFC couldn't take advantage and instead gave up some stinkers.

James17930
04-15-2017, 09:12 PM
Pissed off.

We need 3 out of 3 wins from this upcoming homestand.

Nothing else is acceptable at this point.

notthesun
04-15-2017, 09:13 PM
This slow start is quickly turning into us just being okay.

Make changes in midfield please. Next week's game is pretty much a must-win if you ask me.

UpTheReds
04-15-2017, 09:13 PM
Very frustrating.

gracos
04-15-2017, 09:13 PM
i was interested in taking the bus to this game, but thankfully i chose not to waste my money, as TFC didnt even show up for a half, TFC is not going to make the playoffs this year if this is are projections, if we dont win; only draw there is no way to go to the playoffs

SoccMan2
04-15-2017, 09:16 PM
A few more crap games like this and it's time that TFC finally get Michael to call is dad and get him to take over, the east is not the east of last year, if they don't start winning games never mind MLS Cup Final the playoffs will be a distant dream, Giovinco is playing like shit 1 goal in how many games now , not only that but he is a non factor in almost every game this year, wake the fuck up!

OgtheDim
04-15-2017, 09:22 PM
Not outplayed. BUT...that looked very TFC circa 2015. A CD miscue followed by a set piece breakdown creates a late first half collapse. Defensive lapses and obvious communication issues between Bono and his back line. Not sure its formation that resolves what's going on.

We had the best 30 minutes we've played, pressing and moving the ball around. Need to finish off games like this by scoring that second goal.

The ball movement was better then we have done before tonight but still not fast enough getting it forward.

Time for a few players to stop thinking about the "defending Eastern Conference champs" label and more about the "we want to win this current game" thing.

Detroit_TFC
04-15-2017, 09:23 PM
I expected the loss, but watching it - that second half was not good.

The defense is what it is. I thought Edwards did ok.

Giovinco. I don't know. The conventional wisdom is let him work though it, but I'm seeing smoldering embers out there.

Next game is scary.

reggie
04-15-2017, 09:28 PM
if gio doesnt score this team is a non playoff team,yes its time to panic.

gracos
04-15-2017, 09:36 PM
If we look at our points as of right now, the maximum we could have achieved is 21 PTS, and we received 7 Points which totals an average of 33% of the total points, we have to receive probably close to 50% in order to get to the playoffs; right now something has to change or we can think of the season as a rebuilding season, cause there will be no playoffs

backbeat
04-15-2017, 09:45 PM
During the first 30 minutes I thought, 'finally we're going to watch TFC dominate a team' and then it went awry - still because of those first 30 minutes i retain the thought that we're just a millimetre off being the team we can be - too early to be dissuaded - 'Cause I gotta have faith - I gotta to have faith, faith, faith...

UpTheReds
04-15-2017, 09:53 PM
Chicago is in form. Next week is going to be a difficult game. Things need to turn round.

stevep
04-15-2017, 10:15 PM
I think we need to relax, a picture tells a thousand words

http://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2017-04-15-columbus-crew-sc-vs-toronto-fc/stats

and this is the atlanta game

http://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2017-04-08-toronto-fc-vs-atlanta-united-fc/stats

General Woolfe
04-15-2017, 10:20 PM
Another shitshow i'm afraid. Once again our failure to capialize on our chances ends up costing points, this time all three. At least we can no longer continue to pretend four draws represents a decent start to the season. The stark truth is weve be poor since the Championship Final against Montreal, with our inability to finishi starting to become worrying.

We started the game decent enough and for the opening half hour were in control of the match. However our failure to score allowed Columbus to gain confidence and work their way back into the game. Their equalizer seemed to highlight how much we missed Moor, with the entire backline frozen to the spot as if waiting for instructions from our organizer at the back. You could blame Hagglund for not sticking closer to Hansen, Morrow for being out of position leaving Kamara free, or even Bono for failing to dive and try to cut out the pass, but it was a collective brainfart where the entire defence went to sleep. That goal gave Columbus confidence and seemed to rattle ours and it was really no surprise they took the lead before the break, as it seemed that mentally TFC were already in the dressing room. Bradley in particular looked bad at this goal. Being the man on the far post it was surely down to him to put the challenge on Meram, which he completely failed to do. Our captain seemed in a trance the way he stood by a watched the play evolve in front of him.

We really need to waken up as a team and fast. I dont know if were coasting on last year's success, but the facts are we are in 9th place, six points off the lead. The East is a different proposition this season, with Orlando, Chicago, and Atlanta looking like they will make a run at the playoffs, along with perennial challengers from New York, and today's opponents. It seems a tougher conference this year and finishing above the red line will more of a challenge, let alone contesting the Supporters Shield. Seba seems a pale shadow of the player weve worshiped the last two seasons. He appears disinterested, often drifting closer to the halfway line than the opponents penalty box. I hope shakes this lethargy soon because he looks more like a run-of-the-mill journeyman right now than the best player in the league. Jozy lumbered about tonight aimlessly, looking a good yard off the pace. It wouldn't surprise me to hear his hamstring has flared up again in the coming days. I remain to be convinced by Vazquez. For all he looks comfortable in possession, his finishing is wayward, and not every pass reaches its intended target. Bradley can be infuriating, one minute a world beater, the next the laziest player on the planet. Oso it seems has peaked, I cant see him getting any better than he is now, which is average, if im kind. For every occasion he shows trickery in his dribbling, there is another where he trips over his own two feet. He doesnt strike me as an intelligent player and often chooses the wrong option. Worst of all, I truly worry about life long term without Drew Moor. Although Columbus didnt really threaten tonight (which makes the result even worse) we saw in the ten minutes before half time how disorganized we can be without him. Morrow is not a centerback and if Drew is to be out for a while we should revert to a flat back four where everyone knows their responsibilities and is comfortable in their position. The one pass mark tonight for me was Nick Hagglund. I thought the big man put in a great shift. His positioning was good (1st Columbus goal aside) He cleared his lines with authority and handled a tricky and fast Columbus attack with ease. He also posed a attacking threat at corners with his heading ability. The guy is also a fine athlete who can cover some amount of ground. IMO he is maturing into a fine player and proving to be an inspired draft pick.

JavierMartini
04-15-2017, 11:18 PM
Another shitshow i'm afraid. Once again our failure to capialize on our chances ends up costing points, this time all three. At least we can no longer continue to pretend four draws represents a decent start to the season. The stark truth is weve be poor since the Championship Final against Montreal, with our inability to finishi starting to become worrying.

We started the game decent enough and for the opening half hour were in control of the match. However our failure to score allowed Columbus to gain confidence and work their way back into the game. Their equalizer seemed to highlight how much we missed Moor, with the entire backline frozen to the spot as if waiting for instructions from our organizer at the back. You could blame Hagglund for not sticking closer to Hansen, Morrow for being out of position leaving Kamara free, or even Bono for failing to dive and try to cut out the pass, but it was a collective brainfart where the entire defence went to sleep. That goal gave Columbus confidence and seemed to rattle ours and it was really no surprise they took the lead before the break, as it seemed that mentally TFC were already in the dressing room. Bradley in particular looked bad at this goal. Being the man on the far post it was surely down to him to put the challenge on Meram, which he completely failed to do. Our captain seemed in a trance the way he stood by a watched the play evolve in front of him.

We really need to waken up as a team and fast. I dont know if were coasting on last year's success, but the facts are we are in 9th place, six points off the lead. The East is a different proposition this season, with Orlando, Chicago, and Atlanta looking like they will make a run at the playoffs, along with perennial challengers from New York, and today's opponents. It seems a tougher conference this year and finishing above the red line will more of a challenge, let alone contesting the Supporters Shield. Seba seems a pale shadow of the player weve worshiped the last two seasons. He appears disinterested, often drifting closer to the halfway line than the opponents penalty box. I hope shakes this lethargy soon because he looks more like a run-of-the-mill journeyman right now than the best player in the league. Jozy lumbered about tonight aimlessly, looking a good yard off the pace. It wouldn't surprise me to hear his hamstring has flared up again in the coming days. I remain to be convinced by Vazquez. For all he looks comfortable in possession, his finishing is wayward, and not every pass reaches its intended target. Bradley can be infuriating, one minute a world beater, the next the laziest player on the planet. Oso it seems has peaked, I cant see him getting any better than he is now, which is average, if im kind. For every occasion he shows trickery in his dribbling, there is another where he trips over his own two feet. He doesnt strike me as an intelligent player and often chooses the wrong option. Worst of all, I truly worry about life long term without Drew Moor. Although Columbus didnt really threaten tonight (which makes the result even worse) we saw in the ten minutes before half time how disorganized we can be without him. Morrow is not a centerback and if Drew is to be out for a while we should revert to a flat back four where everyone knows their responsibilities and is comfortable in their position. The one pass mark tonight for me was Nick Hagglund. I thought the big man put in a great shift. His positioning was good (1st Columbus goal aside) He cleared his lines with authority and handled a tricky and fast Columbus attack with ease. He also posed a attacking threat at corners with his heading ability. The guy is also a fine athlete who can cover some amount of ground. IMO he is maturing into a fine player and proving to be an inspired draft pick.

Zaveleta stopped his run marking his man on the first goal, idk how you figure anyone but him was to blame for that. On the second haggalund was fouled going up for the header, he should have embellished and dove because pro won't call shit they are blind.

SirBobSaget
04-16-2017, 12:01 AM
I think we need to relax, a picture tells a thousand words

http://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2017-04-15-columbus-crew-sc-vs-toronto-fc/stats

and this is the atlanta game

http://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2017-04-08-toronto-fc-vs-atlanta-united-fc/stats

What picture? We dominated on the stat sheet but dropped points once again?Thats the same storey since MLS Cup

Hamilton_Red
04-16-2017, 12:05 AM
Zaveleta stopped his run marking his man on the first goal, idk how you figure anyone but him was to blame for that. On the second haggalund was fouled going up for the header, he should have embellished and dove because pro won't call shit they are blind.

Watch Cooper on that play - hopeless & then when he was beaten..he gave up. The 3 defenders didn't have much of a chance after that. We are going to struggle mightily to make the play-offs if Giovinco doesn't show up.

Hamilton_Red
04-16-2017, 12:07 AM
We've won a single game out of six. This team is in trouble.

Redcoe15
04-16-2017, 04:53 AM
So tell me again how this team is the top form in the east, and how our side will eventually return to the MLS Cup Final? Because, right now, our side FUCKIN'STINKS!!!

FUCKIN' EMBARASSING!!!!!

Rene Kingsriver
04-16-2017, 06:32 AM
I think we need to relax, a picture tells a thousand words

http://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2017-04-15-columbus-crew-sc-vs-toronto-fc/stats

and this is the atlanta game

http://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2017-04-08-toronto-fc-vs-atlanta-united-fc/stats

Teams that are behind will always be more likely to have the higher possession stats and shots at the end of the game, doesn't prove they played better.

C.Ronaldo
04-16-2017, 08:00 AM
Osorio over Cooper here on out. I want Chapman on for Vasquez

Gringo Starr
04-16-2017, 08:11 AM
I gotta say I miss Will Johnson, this years Cooper doesn't start ahead of him, Vasquez is a magician with the ball but doesn't even pretend to track back.

James17930
04-16-2017, 08:11 AM
Osorio over Cooper here on out.

Yes.


I want Chapman on for Vasquez

Now that's just silly.

Hamilton_Red
04-16-2017, 09:35 AM
I gotta say I miss Will Johnson, this years Cooper doesn't start ahead of him, Vasquez is a magician with the ball but doesn't even pretend to track back.

To make matters worse Johnson scored a belter of a goal for Orlando yesterday. One that Cooper will never score.

SoccMan2
04-16-2017, 10:33 AM
Ok I'll give Vasquez a little more time to adapt to the MLS, he has not been bad but nothing special so far, I mean soccer is a team game I know, however, with him in the lineup so far our record sucks, hopefully he gets better and this helps the team get better. He needs to be able to have the same effect that Higuaín has on Columbus Crew, if you look at the two player's careers before coming to the MLS they are pretty similar in terms of where they played at the success they achieved so there is no reason that Vasquez can't be a Higuaín for TFC.

SoccMan2
04-16-2017, 11:14 AM
They announced a crowd of what just over 12000 in Columbus looked a lot less on TV sad, however , just a bit over an hour and a half just south of Columbus in Cincinnati in the USL the same league TFC11 play in Cincinnati was playing at the same time and had over 23000 at their home game, I how much more really can Columbus tickets be than Cincinnati USL tickets, come on this is a joke that a USL team an hour a half down the road outdraws an MLS team like that embarrassing!

ag futbol
04-16-2017, 11:24 AM
Something has to give with both Vasquez and Giovinco not exactly being workhorses on the defensive end. Admirable of Altidore to frequently track back but as our best attacking threat right now and primary holdup man I question if that's where we want his energy spent.

Time for these other guys to put in a shift. I'd heavily consider reverting to a 4-2-3-1 as well with Moor injured.

PizzaEatingYeti
04-16-2017, 01:25 PM
If we look at our points as of right now, the maximum we could have achieved is 21 PTS, and we received 7 Points which totals an average of 33% of the total points, we have to receive probably close to 50% in order to get to the playoffs; right now something has to change or we can think of the season as a rebuilding season, cause there will be no playoffs

This.
We had a piss poor start for 2017. Things need to change a lot in the next 5-6 games for this team to be at least something close to what has been at the final of the last season.
The scary thing though is that not only the finishing needs to be 2 classes better, but the defense needs to be a lot more solid too.

We blamed almost always just individual players the first 5 games of the season for finishing errors, defense mind-farts, but after this 6 th game isn't time to seriously analyze Vanney too?
Isn't about that he reached his technical limits, plus he cannot motivate any more enough the dressing room?

MightyDM
04-16-2017, 07:43 PM
Well, that was a downer. I thought the first thirty minutes were the best we have played all year. And then we were crap.

I think the comments about formation are correct: the coaching staff aren't getting the best out of our talent at the moment. 4-2-3-1 will not work because we must have two up front, Jozy plus Seba. 4-1-3-2 is possible, as is 4-4-2 diamond. But if it's 4-1-3-2 who plays wide in the midfield?

With our players, if Moor isn't available, we have to go with a back four and I think the 4-4-2 narrow diamond fits best, with Morrow and Beits creating the width. The Manchester City coach was today talking about attacking the narrow spaces. We have the talent to do that.

DinamoTFC
04-16-2017, 08:19 PM
Well, that was a downer. I thought the first thirty minutes were the best we have played all year. And then we were crap.

I think the comments about formation are correct: the coaching staff aren't getting the best out of our talent at the moment. 4-2-3-1 will not work because we must have two up front, Jozy plus Seba. 4-1-3-2 is possible, as is 4-4-2 diamond. But if it's 4-1-3-2 who plays wide in the midfield?

With our players, if Moor isn't available, we have to go with a back four and I think the 4-4-2 narrow diamond fits best, with Morrow and Beits creating the width. The Manchester City coach was today talking about attacking the narrow spaces. We have the talent to do that.

Why exactly can't 4231 work for us? Seba is almost useless now because every team is defending him well. The only time he's actually doing something with the ball is when he has to come to midfield to get it.

Altidore up front with Seba left vazquez and one of osorio or Cooper or whoever on the right could technically work. Bradley also needs help. Too much is focused on going thru him in the middle and teams are also learning to defend him. The only issue is if Seba doesn't defend much but morrow has been doing an excellent job covering the left side all on his own as wing back.

I want to see more of Seba with the ball again running into space and taking defenders on. He's often getting double teamed and easily pushed off the ball lately.

ag futbol
04-16-2017, 09:18 PM
Put Seba in one of the wide spots of the 4-2-3-1... that's often the second most attacking role in the formation. And that player sometimes drops into the middle to play as almost a 4-4-2 diamond.

The current role as playing behind the target man (or directly on top) isn't working. He's blanketed out or forced to drop back really deep to get the ball. Force the other team to unbalance the field if they want to drop extra defenders on him. That is most effective in a wide area.

reggie
04-16-2017, 09:19 PM
they better change something,im tired of the all the excuses.bottom line is they drop too many points at home.

Initial B
04-16-2017, 10:03 PM
Does anyone know what the expected goals were for that game? I find that gives a better idea if a team is under/over performing their expectations.

PizzaEatingYeti
04-16-2017, 10:43 PM
Does anyone know what the expected goals were for that game? I find that gives a better idea if a team is under/over performing their expectations.

http://www.oddsportal.com/soccer/usa/mls/columbus-crew-toronto-fc-A7HTnMx0/#over-under;2;2.75;0
http://www.oddsportal.com/soccer/usa/mls/columbus-crew-toronto-fc-A7HTnMx0/#over-under;2;3.00;0

C.Ronaldo
04-17-2017, 08:45 AM
Yes.



Now that's just silly.

i mean at the 60/70th min, as a sub

Areathrasher
04-17-2017, 09:04 AM
Does anyone know what the expected goals were for that game? I find that gives a better idea if a team is under/over performing their expectations.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9hTop1W0AAsfs1.jpg

MightyDM
04-17-2017, 10:51 AM
Why exactly can't 4231 work for us? Seba is almost useless now because every team is defending him well. The only time he's actually doing something with the ball is when he has to come to midfield to get it.

Altidore up front with Seba left vazquez and one of osorio or Cooper or whoever on the right could technically work. Bradley also needs help. Too much is focused on going thru him in the middle and teams are also learning to defend him. The only issue is if Seba doesn't defend much but morrow has been doing an excellent job covering the left side all on his own as wing back.

I want to see more of Seba with the ball again running into space and taking defenders on. He's often getting double teamed and easily pushed off the ball lately.

The left of a 3 in a 4-2-3-1 has defensive responsibilities. That makes Seba unsuitable, unless he completely changes his style of play.

SarniaTFC
04-17-2017, 11:41 AM
Was so devastated when my plans to travel didn't work out but after watching that shower of shit I'm glad I didn't spend my hard earned money to travel that distance for a really horrible and disappointing performance!

OgtheDim
04-17-2017, 11:43 AM
The xG map is very telling. Wish somebody would do that each week. The xG is available but, apparently, only teams get the maps.

Areathrasher
04-17-2017, 11:47 AM
The xG map is very telling. Wish somebody would do that each week. The xG is available but, apparently, only teams get the maps.

Follow the twitter account in the bottom corner of the map. That account produces them every week.

todortonchev
04-17-2017, 01:25 PM
I really hope to more effective in finishing the attacks against Chicago. Fire looks in a decent shape to make our life tougher.

OgtheDim
04-17-2017, 01:30 PM
Follow the twitter account in the bottom corner of the map. That account produces them every week.

COOL - thanks for the find


Here are the maps from the tweet for this game.

https://twitter.com/11tegen11/status/853524106091913216

The passing map is very interesting - Beitashour didn't make that many passes (less then 4) into the forwards.

woolly
04-17-2017, 01:53 PM
I'm no strategy expert, but with Vasquez playing so high (more of a 3-4-3 than a 3-5-2) we are missing out on the transition between the back and front. Cooper, who we rate pretty highly, is not a passing player and can't fill that role, and Edwards has the same issue. Last year we had a stable of player filling the transition role with Beitashour and Morrow banging down the wings (Morrow was tied to the back on D last game to make room for Edwards). This year we got a great player but not someone who seems to be comfortable filling the role that we need.

If Moor is going to be out for an extended time, we need to find another LB to free up Morrow, and establish a decent AM partnership.

C.Ronaldo
04-17-2017, 02:57 PM
vasquez being that high had to be a coaches call. you would see all 3 lined up at the top often, Vasquez often doing the pressing. then you have crosses coming into the smallest guy on the team with jozy dropping
not sure what vanney expected from it

OgtheDim
04-17-2017, 03:25 PM
In general I think they are trying to play Seba in for the final ball with Jozy doing hold up flicks and turns.

C.Ronaldo
04-18-2017, 09:20 AM
In general I think they are trying to play Seba in for the final ball with Jozy doing hold up flicks and turns.


and it works when it works, but too often jozy is playing deep to come get the ball or defend

molenshtain
04-18-2017, 09:31 PM
Ohhh I love early season freak out mode. It's my favorite part of every season. If I could mainline it and hook it in to my veins I totally would.

Seriously. We've had a tough schedule and we've looked little rusty. Do we need to bring up the same examples every year of teams in this league who start very, very slowly only to challenge for the SS and the cup? because it literally happens every year. The red Bulls lost 7 of their first 8 last year before they would go on to finish within a point or two of Dallas. The year Portland won their cup they won just 3 of their first 12 games of the season. When SKC won their supporters shield they went winless in their first 10 games. Arena's Galaxy teams were notorious for using the first half of the season as an extended pre-season before getting everyone healthy and ready to go for the stretch run.


Baseball fans have learned not to look at the standings before June because it's a long season and form is temporary and guys are still getting healthy. I really think it's time for MLS fans to adopt a similiar attitude towards the first third of our season. What is true in march and April is almost never true in December in this league.

Let's take a deep breath and remember that this is still a team who's only lost 4 of their last 27 games.

We're fine. This is normal. we're still who we thought we were.

Hamilton_Red
04-19-2017, 09:34 AM
Ohhh I love early season freak out mode. It's my favorite part of every season. If I could mainline it and hook it in to my veins I totally would.

Seriously. We've had a tough schedule and we've looked little rusty. Do we need to bring up the same examples every year of teams in this league who start very, very slowly only to challenge for the SS and the cup? because it literally happens every year. The red Bulls lost 7 of their first 8 last year before they would go on to finish within a point or two of Dallas. The year Portland won their cup they won just 3 of their first 12 games of the season. When SKC won their supporters shield they went winless in their first 10 games. Arena's Galaxy teams were notorious for using the first half of the season as an extended pre-season before getting everyone healthy and ready to go for the stretch run.


Baseball fans have learned not to look at the standings before June because it's a long season and form is temporary and guys are still getting healthy. I really think it's time for MLS fans to adopt a similiar attitude towards the first third of our season. What is true in march and April is almost never true in December in this league.

Let's take a deep breath and remember that this is still a team who's only lost 4 of their last 27 games.

We're fine. This is normal. we're still who we thought we were.

It's been pretty appropriate for 9/10 seasons so far. You are pointing to MLS winners who had a bad start like 95 year old smokers..saying see I told you smoking wasn't bad. The 50 dead smokers are no where to be seen. They need to show some signs of life.

Areathrasher
04-19-2017, 09:51 AM
It's been pretty appropriate for 9/10 seasons so far. You are pointing to MLS winners who had a bad start like 95 year old smokers..saying see I told you smoking wasn't bad. The 50 dead smokers are no where to be seen. They need to show some signs of life.

Yes, cos the current iteration of TFC is exactly the same as previous versions...

I get it, nothing wrong with demanding better and I'm not exactly happy with how they are playing or the results so far but until they have shown they can't turn it around it shouldn't be panic stations.

Canary10
04-19-2017, 10:32 AM
It's really not panic time. We have only played two home games, and those have been against two of the better early performers. We've had a road heavy schedule and we've done fairly well. If we play a bunch more home games and still no results, then let's get worried. Six teams make the damn playoffs we should remember.

OgtheDim
04-19-2017, 10:44 AM
When we lose or tie, everything eventually turns into a Vanney thread.

molenshtain
04-19-2017, 11:10 AM
It's been pretty appropriate for 9/10 seasons so far. You are pointing to MLS winners who had a bad start like 95 year old smokers..saying see I told you smoking wasn't bad. The 50 dead smokers are no where to be seen. They need to show some signs of life.

No you have the correlation backwards. I'm not saying that because other good teams had shitty starts we're definitely going to get back to what we were in December. I do think that to an extent, but that's not the point I was making. The point I was making is that these games are not ever a good indicator either way, so we should stop reaching for the panic button every time we go through a rough patch near the beginning of the season. I'm fairly sure there are players on the team who read this board every now and then, or at least read what Kurt writes in the Sun - which is increasingly becoming a summary/response column towards sentiments aired on this bored. It puts ludicrous amounts of pressure on the team that isn't really warranted.

There's a reason why Osorio, for better or worse, plays like he's carrying around every demon this club has had since year one on his back in every single game. The expectations for every game are ridiculously high here in a way that's different than every other team in the league. I just think that now that we know what this team is capable of, we should afford them some space to work their shit out like everyone else does.


Besides, I remember our problem always being the opposite - we always started well and then shat the bed in the summer.