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OgtheDim
03-11-2017, 08:02 PM
http://storage.vancouver.24hrs.ca/v1/dynamic_resize/sws_path/suns-prod-images/1297673271248_ORIGINAL.jpg?quality=80&size=650x&stmp=1426014504694

Always good times playing Vancouver.

Have at It People!

stevieeatworld
03-11-2017, 08:26 PM
See all my fellow West Coasters in 218-219 @ BC Place!

notthesun
03-11-2017, 08:57 PM
Hopefully Beitashour can return. Would rather not see Endoh defending Davies or Manneh 1v1... And it would be nice if Vanney doesn't try to force Endoh there like when we tried to shoehorn Creavalle into the RB spot.

Oldtimer
03-12-2017, 10:03 PM
Like with the Eddie Johnson beer picture from year 1 @ BMO, the "finger" picture is a classic.

Captain
03-13-2017, 08:30 AM
Ousted suspended for this game. Who is there back up Keeper?

Carter
03-13-2017, 08:48 AM
Ousted suspended for this game. Who is there back up Keeper?

Paolo Tornaghi (https://www.whitecapsfc.com/players/paolo-tornaghi)
70Goalkeeper-Cormano, Italy
AGE: 28
HT: 6' 4" WT: 185

Unless they call back up their loaned out keeper... Which is more than likely as he's playing for VWFC2


Spencer Richey (https://www.whitecapsfc.com/players/spencer-richey)
18 Goalkeeper - Seattle, Washington
AGE: 24
HT: 6' 1" WT: 195
LOANED OUT

Detroit_TFC
03-13-2017, 10:44 AM
Third time's the charm? That's all I've got.

Yohan
03-13-2017, 01:27 PM
Vancouver is playing away at Tigres midweek for CCL. They will be tired. Best chance for 3 pts at Vancouver

Areathrasher
03-13-2017, 01:53 PM
Vancouver is playing away at Tigres midweek for CCL. They will be demoralized from the complete evisceration they are going to recieve. Best chance for 3 pts at Vancouver

Fixed

OgtheDim
03-13-2017, 02:10 PM
Vancouver is playing away at Tigres midweek for CCL. They will have played all their starters and then lost the game 3-1 with 2 goals scored against in the last few minutes because that is what Vancouver does. Best chance for 3 pts at Vancouver

Fixed that Version 2 :)

Hamilton_Red
03-13-2017, 08:13 PM
Best Vancouver moment ever. The stadium was absolutely booming for ten minutes prior to this. I have never seen the air sucked out of a place in such an instant. 30 of us going crazy after 94 minutes of driech football.


https://youtu.be/Cq-8Mfiw69o

PizzaEatingYeti
03-13-2017, 08:37 PM
Vancouver is playing away at Tigres midweek for CCL. They will be tired and demoralized after been killed in Mx. Easiest match ever for 3 pts at Vancouver.

Fixed that Version 3. :)

MightyDM
03-13-2017, 08:46 PM
Like with the Eddie Johnson beer picture from year 1 @ BMO, the "finger" picture is a classic.

its the wallpaper on my iPad. What a moment.

Joe Kool
03-14-2017, 12:54 AM
I keep hoping to see the playoff TFC team each week but so far they haven't showed up. They looked like it for a small part of the RSL game and then it turned into a pick up soccer game. Philly game they couldn't keep possession and seemed to not be able to create much. I am really surprised we tied. We made Philly look really good and they are not. Really hoping they turn this around this weekend before I start blaming the white jerseys. I know it is only the 3rd game but we have the potential....time to see it. Let's go Reds!

OgtheDim
03-14-2017, 12:35 PM
https://twitter.com/lauraarmy/status/841698465881153537

Brandino88
03-14-2017, 12:41 PM
Personally I'd let giovinco rest this week. Have him fresh for home opener. Plus vancouver should be a bit sluggish considering they play today. Dont expect anything less then a win from them on saturday

Dunkers
03-14-2017, 02:15 PM
Personally I'd let giovinco rest this week. Have him fresh for home opener. Plus vancouver should be a bit sluggish considering they play today. Dont expect anything less then a win from them on saturday

The part of me that is excited to attend this game in Vancouver says no way Gio starts, the other part of me that wants to see us as MLS Cup and supporter shield winners says you are right Gio should rest...

Onyx
03-14-2017, 07:54 PM
Personally I'd let giovinco rest this week. Have him fresh for home opener. Plus vancouver should be a bit sluggish considering they play today. Dont expect anything less then a win from them on saturday

No chance Seba plays in vancouver with a leg injury on a plastic pitch.
plus, i've had a IT band injury, it feels like tendonitis and will bug him the rest of the season. So he may sit out more games due to workload later in the season.

Yohan
03-14-2017, 09:24 PM
Tigers-Caps CCL game on right now on CONCACAF FB page, if you are so inclined to scout the opposition

Hamilton_Red
03-14-2017, 11:10 PM
Bring on Saturday. Ousted - kept the score respectable...that is a pretty toothless team. They will be well tired.

Joe Kool
03-15-2017, 12:22 AM
I don't think playing midweek should affect their weekend performance unless they picked up injuries. They are pro athletes. They should be able to handle the load fine. I have heard a number of MLS players over the years say they prefer a midweek game versus a full week of practice so not sure there is any advantage. If anything they may be sharper. Who knows....

Blindside16
03-15-2017, 12:31 AM
This game is a great opportunity for us. With Ousted serving his suspension it gives us a great shot at 3 points. We need to put in a solid 90 minutes. I expect Ricketts to get the start. It is a long season and there is no rush to push Gio back to early, especially with a off week next week. I wonder if either Hamilton or Babouli will make the trip with the team. I'm hoping for a 2-1 win.

James17930
03-15-2017, 02:31 AM
I don't think playing midweek should affect their weekend performance unless they picked up injuries. They are pro athletes. They should be able to handle the load fine. I have heard a number of MLS players over the years say they prefer a midweek game versus a full week of practice so not sure there is any advantage. If anything they may be sharper. Who knows....

True, but the game was in Mexico, and they may feel slightly demoralized. Plus, Ousted suspended ...

Seems like if we were going to beat them in BC this game would be one we should do.

OgtheDim
03-15-2017, 06:35 AM
Vancouver is playing away at Tigres midweek for CCL. They will have played all their starters and then lost the game 3-1 with 2 goals scored against in the last few minutes because that is what Vancouver does. Best chance for 3 pts at Vancouver

Close but now even worse for Vancouver.

69Chevy396
03-15-2017, 07:30 AM
Close but now even worse for Vancouver.
I couldn't sleep last night, so I tried watching the game between Van and Tigres. First, and lasting impression: if Vancouver represents MLS on an international stage, it was painfully evident that the league still has a long road ahead to gain respectability. Van was horrid. The TSN bullshit about how Van held the mighty Tigres in the first half was like that Simpsons episode where Homer becomes local boxing king because nobody could knock him out, and he never even threw a punch. It could easily have been 8 -0. The Tigres club is having trouble scoring this season, but had no trouble dominating possession. It was laughable.
If this is the same Van club TFC faces on Saturday, we should win easily.

ScarboroughRed
03-15-2017, 09:15 AM
http://www.torontosun.com/2017/03/15/toronto-fcs-sebastian-giovinco-ruled-out-for-vancouver-clash

Giovinco out. Heading back to Italy for a meeting with his physician, not specifically for his injury. Apparently had it scheduled for the international break regardless.

ag futbol
03-15-2017, 09:21 AM
I couldn't sleep last night, so I tried watching the game between Van and Tigres. First, and lasting impression: if Vancouver represents MLS on an international stage, it was painfully evident that the league still has a long road ahead to gain respectability. Van was horrid. The TSN bullshit about how Van held the mighty Tigres in the first half was like that Simpsons episode where Homer becomes local boxing king because nobody could knock him out, and he never even threw a punch. It could easily have been 8 -0. The Tigres club is having trouble scoring this season, but had no trouble dominating possession. It was laughable.
If this is the same Van club TFC faces on Saturday, we should win easily.
Agreed completely. Vancouver was basically shelled for 90 minutes with their sole offensive highlight being Brek Shea diving in the box to try and win a penalty.

If memory serves the average Liga MX Salary is roughly double MLS's. And that doesn't even take into account other compensation measures not reported, which apparently can be significant in Mexico.

Derko
03-15-2017, 09:29 AM
http://www.torontosun.com/2017/03/15/toronto-fcs-sebastian-giovinco-ruled-out-for-vancouver-clash

Giovinco out. Heading back to Italy for a meeting with his physician, not specifically for his injury. Apparently had it scheduled for the international break regardless.

Good, Gio needs to get healthy, and totally agree that TFC forwards are being mauled and nothing from that Fucking Asshole Geiger

Auzzy
03-15-2017, 11:35 AM
I agree that Vancouver looked very weak against Tigres. I watched all of the 2nd half. Tigres obviously had a ton of possession, and a bunch of good chances. One thing was evident: whenever Vancouver got the ball for a moment, the pressure from Tigres to regain possession was immense. And it worked -- Vancouver had no answer.

However the first Tigres goal was an own goal. Tigres seemed to be snake-bitten before that. Also Vancouver actually had a couple of very decent chances to at least nick an away goal near the end, especially after a brutal giveaway by Tigres. Pretty it wasn't, but their plan almost​ worked.

notthesun
03-15-2017, 11:58 AM
I'm not sure Giovinco seeing his doctor in Italy is nothing. I've said that I thought he looked like he was still playing hurt to start this season, like he did at the end of the playoffs last year. Just missing that shiftiness and agility that makes him such a handful.

Maybe I'm paranoid. But is it possible that simple rest and recovery over the off-season didn't fix his issue?

Canary10
03-15-2017, 12:27 PM
I'm not sure Giovinco seeing his doctor in Italy is nothing. I've said that I thought he looked like he was still playing hurt to start this season, like he did at the end of the playoffs last year. Just missing that shiftiness and agility that makes him such a handful.

Maybe I'm paranoid. But is it possible that simple rest and recovery over the off-season didn't fix his issue?

Anything's possible. Sounds like he had a plan to visit his doctor during our bye-week anyway, which suggests there is something specific he is seeing him about.

69Chevy396
03-15-2017, 12:53 PM
Anything's possible. Sounds like he had a plan to visit his doctor during our bye-week anyway, which suggests there is something specific he is seeing him about.
This concerns me. Seba has not been his usual dominant self since September. Still very good, but something is missing in his game.

fergiejr
03-15-2017, 12:54 PM
Maybe I'm paranoid. But is it possible that simple rest and recovery over the off-season didn't fix his issue?

Shortest Offseason Ever. Might not have been long enough - with the holidays and other activities he might not have had time to dedicate to rehab. Then pick right back up into pre-season and all that associated travel as well.

burlington Red
03-15-2017, 01:13 PM
seems a long way to travel to see what is essentially your family doctor.

OgtheDim
03-15-2017, 01:21 PM
He's doing what a lot of people do on March Break when they don't go south - take the kids off to see the Grandparents. :)


****

As for anything more then that, 2 games is not enough to come to any conclusions. If he's still having issues in late April, then I'll think about it.

Areathrasher
03-15-2017, 01:32 PM
seems a long way to travel to see what is essentially your family doctor.

It's not the first time he's done this since joining IIRC

Canary10
03-15-2017, 01:33 PM
It's not the first time he's done this since joining IIRC

No but the times he went there were known issues. (If I remember correctly).

burlington Red
03-15-2017, 01:49 PM
I wouldn't imagine its anything serious, if it was he'd be off seeing a specialist

ryan
03-15-2017, 02:06 PM
seems a long way to travel to see what is essentially your family doctor.

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7 hrs in first class aint so bad bruh.

MightyDM
03-15-2017, 03:05 PM
This concerns me. Seba has not been his usual dominant self since September. Still very good, but something is missing in his game.

That's what I saw too. and the injury he had before can be very niggling

notthesun
03-15-2017, 04:18 PM
Based on the latest story from Molinaro, there's a good chance Beitashour gets held out as a precaution. Vazquez had a "routine knee injection" and is likely to see reduced minutes, and Cheyrou is in France for personal reasons.

So I'd start Delgado at RB and start Chapman in place of Vazquez.

PizzaEatingYeti
03-15-2017, 06:53 PM
Based on the latest story from Molinaro, there's a good chance Beitashour gets held out as a precaution. Vazquez had a "routine knee injection" and is likely to see reduced minutes, and Cheyrou is in France for personal reasons.

So I'd start Delgado at RB and start Chapman in place of Vazquez.

#rant
We are after 2 games into the season, and almost 1/4 of the whole team is out because having different issues, lol...

MightyDM
03-15-2017, 07:59 PM
Based on the latest story from Molinaro, there's a good chance Beitashour gets held out as a precaution. Vazquez had a "routine knee injection" and is likely to see reduced minutes, and Cheyrou is in France for personal reasons.

So I'd start Delgado at RB and start Chapman in place of Vazquez.


Oso. If anyone sits, it should be Cooper. His diving cost us the last game.

Ossington Mental Youth
03-15-2017, 08:04 PM
Oso. If anyone sits, it should be Cooper. His diving cost us the last game.

also helped us at times.
I feel confident even though Seba is gone as i do believe we have the back up players.
SHould be interesting as we still look like we need to shake off some rust, hopefully this is the game we do it.

notthesun
03-15-2017, 08:14 PM
Oso. If anyone sits, it should be Cooper. His diving cost us the last game.

I would consider swapping Osorio for Cooper. I see them as very similar players, whereas I think neither fill the AM role like Vazquez and Chapman do.

MightyDM
03-15-2017, 09:01 PM
also helped us at times.
I feel confident even though Seba is gone as i do believe we have the back up players.
SHould be interesting as we still look like we need to shake off some rust, hopefully this is the game we do it.

agreed. Let's hope the memories of BC place help Jozy finish a bit more than the first two matches

MightyDM
03-15-2017, 09:06 PM
I would consider swapping Osorio for Cooper. I see them as very similar players, whereas I think neither fill the AM role like Vazquez and Chapman do.

Too early to tell for Vazquez. I love what he has been saying, and he has pedigree as evidenced by the 40 yard pinpoint passes, but we don't know his weakness yet. As for Chapman, I hope he succeeds, fantastic, and yes he always looks for the forward ball, but he has a way to go before his all around game catches up to Oso. I'd love to see him and Oso on the pitch with the garner bucks players sold, but don't think he is quite there yet. Judging by his playing time, nor does the coaching staff.

Hamilton_Red
03-15-2017, 11:15 PM
One thing that bothering me about the modern game..."IT Band contusion" used to be a described as bruise on the thigh....or a charlie horse. It all went wrong when they changed the name of Physical Education to Kinesiology...

Auzzy
03-16-2017, 12:05 AM
One thing that bothering me about the modern game..."IT Band contusion" used to be a described as bruise on the thigh....or a charlie horse. It all went wrong when they changed the name of Physical Education to Kinesiology...

Actually that's different. A bruise on the thigh, or a charlie horse, is generally considered to be on the muscle. Potentially quite painful, but not that hard to rehab. An "IT Band Contusion" is an injury or bruise right on the iliotibial band, a ligament that runs on the outside of the leg, from thigh to shin. Obviously little padding there, hard to rehab, and even more painful. Also since the IT band provides stability to the knee, a weakness or awkward usage of that ligament due to pain, could cause further knee injury or other problems.

Canary10
03-16-2017, 08:41 AM
Actually that's different. A bruise on the thigh, or a charlie horse, is generally considered to be on the muscle. Potentially quite painful, but not that hard to rehab. An "IT Band Contusion" is an injury or bruise right on the iliotibial band, a ligament that runs on the outside of the leg, from thigh to shin. Obviously little padding there, hard to rehab, and even more painful. Also since the IT band provides stability to the knee, a weakness or awkward usage of that ligament due to pain, could cause further knee injury or other problems.

It shouldn't be that bad to rehab. a good manual osteopath can work it out pretty quickly. Unless he's already prone to IT bank tightness in which case he'll have to have constant work on it.

charlieocc
03-16-2017, 01:16 PM
seems a long way to travel to see what is essentially your family doctor.
Probably a comfort thing. Wants a doctor he trusts, especially an Italian-speaking one. Sounds like this was a planned trip for the international break anyway.

Hamilton_Red
03-16-2017, 10:37 PM
Probably a comfort thing. Wants a doctor he trusts, especially an Italian-speaking one. Sounds like this was a planned trip for the international break anyway.


There will be dozens of Italian speaking Doctors in the Toronto area. There must be something more to all this than a bruised leg. Giovinco hasn't played well since the fall - it seems like there is a bigger issue.

Hamilton_Red
03-16-2017, 10:39 PM
Actually that's different. A bruise on the thigh, or a charlie horse, is generally considered to be on the muscle. Potentially quite painful, but not that hard to rehab. An "IT Band Contusion" is an injury or bruise right on the iliotibial band, a ligament that runs on the outside of the leg, from thigh to shin. Obviously little padding there, hard to rehab, and even more painful. Also since the IT band provides stability to the knee, a weakness or awkward usage of that ligament due to pain, could cause further knee injury or other problems.

Thanks - that's a better explanation. Appreciate it.

OgtheDim
03-17-2017, 06:50 AM
There will be dozens of Italian speaking Doctors in the Toronto area.

And there are dozens of leg specialists. Still took Jozy going to one in particular in California to get past his issues. Seba's always gone back to this doctor after injuries. Likely went back to see him during breaks and we never discussed it because it wasn't related to a specific injury.

One intersting fact in all this is this coaching staff knows what the muscles are. Makes me shudder at what Nelsen & short pants were ignoring in terms of training.

Graeme
03-17-2017, 07:52 AM
What kind of line-up will we see?

-------------------Irwin-------------------
--------Zavaleta--Moor---Mavinga------
-Hagglund------------------------Morrow--
------Cooper---Bradley----Osorio--------
-------Altidore-------Ricketts------------

Bench: Bono, Brunell, Morgan, Chapman, Vasquez (injured? maybe Edwards?), Hamilton

Ajax TFC
03-17-2017, 09:57 AM
Vazquez is injured?

Graeme
03-17-2017, 10:15 AM
Vazquez is injured? He needed some injections in his knee, I read somewhere. Not sure he starts (or even plays) on the turf.

InSuL1nImP
03-17-2017, 10:50 AM
Directly from The Sun "Giovinco is NOT seeking treatment for the contusion he suffered last week" So if that's the case then why is he not traveling with the team like he SHOULD be doing.

Canary10
03-17-2017, 10:53 AM
Directly from The Sun "Giovinco is NOT seeking treatment for the contusion he suffered last week" So if that's the case then why is he not traveling with the team like he SHOULD be doing.

For the contusion, but we don't know if he's getting treatment for the injury he had at the end of last season.

OgtheDim
03-17-2017, 11:06 AM
Making a guy who isn't going to play travel domestic via Air Canada is not a good idea.

Section_105
03-17-2017, 11:39 AM
Directly from The Sun "Giovinco is NOT seeking treatment for the contusion he suffered last week" So if that's the case then why is he not traveling with the team like he SHOULD be doing.
He was already scheduled to go next week on the INTL break. The injury just accelerated the window. What ever it is he was going to have treated over there he now has an extra week. Travelling that far to VAN just to be moral support for the team is useless. And anyone we get to keep off of that god awful turf is a good thing. I can't believe they are allowed to play on that worn out indoor/outdoor carpet.

Yohan
03-17-2017, 12:42 PM
He was already scheduled to go next week on the INTL break. The injury just accelerated the window. What ever it is he was going to have treated over there he now has an extra week. Travelling that far to VAN just to be moral support for the team is useless. And anyone we get to keep off of that god awful turf is a good thing. I can't believe they are allowed to play on that worn out indoor/outdoor carpet.
The carpet got replaced with new turf for Women's World Cup in 2015

Section_105
03-17-2017, 01:55 PM
The carpet got replaced with new turf for Women's World Cup in 2015
cheers, must have been too much beer and I didn't notice. still, keep the boys off the turf.

Jack
03-17-2017, 03:14 PM
There will be dozens of Italian speaking Doctors in the Toronto area. There must be something more to all this than a bruised leg. Giovinco hasn't played well since the fall - it seems like there is a bigger issue.

If he has a doctor he knows, who knows him and his history and is also one he trusts, then it makes perfect sense for him to want to see that doctor. Since he can afford the flights and has the time off, I don't see an issue with him wanting to go to his own doctor.

Auzzy
03-17-2017, 03:26 PM
The carpet got replaced with new turf for Women's World Cup in 2015

As long as the Whitecaps didn't move the new WWC turf to their practice facility (like the Limpact did)... :facepalm:

OgtheDim
03-17-2017, 04:32 PM
Good news

https://twitter.com/WheelerTSN/status/842848099643011072

We'll see if he plays but that's a good sign.

notthesun
03-17-2017, 04:40 PM
Hamilton also traveled and Spencer didn't (he played in a preseason game with TFC II today). In case there were any questions as to who our next bench option is at striker when either Giovinco or Altidore can't play.

69Chevy396
03-17-2017, 06:20 PM
If he has a doctor he knows, who knows him and his history and is also one he trusts, then it makes perfect sense for him to want to see that doctor. Since he can afford the flights and has the time off, I don't see an issue with him wanting to go to his own doctor.
The flight to Rome is only 4 hours longer than the trip to Vancouver. Whatever is hampering Seba, I hope this resolves it, cause he ain't the same player who mesmerized MLS defenders prior to his Sept injury

OgtheDim
03-17-2017, 06:35 PM
The flight to Rome is only 4 hours longer than the trip to Vancouver.

The trip to Vancouver would be in economy with the team. He's flying in 1st class to Italy.

DinamoTFC
03-17-2017, 07:07 PM
Ismail Elfath is the referee. I was optimistic going into this game now I'm not. Horrible referee.

OgtheDim
03-17-2017, 09:52 PM
FWIW

https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/842921888707837952

OgtheDim
03-18-2017, 07:27 AM
Game Day.....:scarf:

Newf
03-18-2017, 10:49 AM
Lets go Boys! :scarf:

SarniaTFC
03-18-2017, 11:10 AM
Would be nice to see Ricketts get a full 90. Always brings a spark to the team.

Red CB Toronto
03-18-2017, 11:14 AM
It's Game Day , Can you feel it. Have a good feeling on this one. Will be interesting to see if they end up using a 4-1-2-1-2 at some point as Greg has suggested.

notthesun
03-18-2017, 02:17 PM
https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/843175639305932802

TheGoodson
03-18-2017, 03:15 PM
Anyone have a mobile friendly stream????

andyc
03-18-2017, 03:19 PM
Looking for any stream for my son who is in the UK this week

CBTFC
03-18-2017, 03:21 PM
Seeing quite a few empty seats, yikes.

Alonso
03-18-2017, 03:21 PM
http://storage.vancouver.24hrs.ca/v1/dynamic_resize/sws_path/suns-prod-images/1297673271248_ORIGINAL.jpg?quality=80&size=650x&stmp=1426014504694

Always good times playing Vancouver.

Have at It People!


Hey look! It's my avatar! g:D

PizzaEatingYeti
03-18-2017, 03:23 PM
I'm looking for a stream with commentary, this one has just background noise:
http://giostreams.eu/72.html

ag futbol
03-18-2017, 03:23 PM
Seeing quite a few empty seats, yikes.
Yeah attendance so far this year for Van has not been strong. Wonder if the lack of big money signings is giving them a big of s hangover?

shwade
03-18-2017, 03:25 PM
Ugh with these nasty sleeves.

andyc
03-18-2017, 03:26 PM
This one apparently works..

http://firstsrow.eu/soccer/trs-whitecaps-vs-toronto-brf106a568?l=2925283698

PizzaEatingYeti
03-18-2017, 03:28 PM
WTF is this season with all these streams without commentary?
It happens just in MLS games.

CBTFC
03-18-2017, 03:30 PM
That was considerate of Jozy to think of the pass, but in that instance I would prefer he take a quick shot on goal to test this keeper.

PizzaEatingYeti
03-18-2017, 03:34 PM
This one apparently works..

http://firstsrow.eu/soccer/trs-whitecaps-vs-toronto-brf106a568?l=2925283698

Thanks, it works, though it took me forever to get rid of the ads blocking the view.

charlieocc
03-18-2017, 03:35 PM
We're playing much better today imo. It actually feels like we're threatening in attack

MightyDM
03-18-2017, 03:41 PM
Cooper is driving me crazy today. Keeps losing the ball in terrible places. Made one nice pass to Jozy, but that's it.

ag futbol
03-18-2017, 03:43 PM
I'm playing well... we just need a goal.

Caps look gassed from midweek.

notthesun
03-18-2017, 03:44 PM
Man that really looked like a penalty to me.

ag futbol
03-18-2017, 03:44 PM
Cooper is driving me crazy today. Keeps losing the ball in terrible places. Made one nice pass to Jozy, but that's it.
He needs to play inside the team more. Other teams know he's good 1v1 now and are bringing over the 2nd defender. Just move the damn ball and pick your spots.

Osorio has the right idea.

MightyDM
03-18-2017, 03:45 PM
It's amazing how open Hagglund is on those set pieces.

MightyDM
03-18-2017, 03:46 PM
He needs to play inside the team more. Other teams know he's good 1v1 now and are bringing over the 2nd defender. Just move the damn ball and pick your spots.

Osorio has the right idea.

Agreed

mistercorporate
03-18-2017, 03:49 PM
Someone pinch me...a TFC game on a popular mainstream channel! Awesome!!

P.S. Turf looks like shite!

notthesun
03-18-2017, 03:50 PM
All right, he's nothing if not consistent... one missed penalty each.

MightyDM
03-18-2017, 03:51 PM
Cooper again! Use your team mates!

PizzaEatingYeti
03-18-2017, 03:51 PM
LOL, to be honest the would be penalty for Van seemed more clear than the one for TFC.

ag futbol
03-18-2017, 04:00 PM
Edwards for cooper in the 2nd half please

MightyDM
03-18-2017, 04:01 PM
Zavaleta poor today too. Oso looking motivated

notthesun
03-18-2017, 04:05 PM
Literally all of Vancouver's offense coming from turnovers in our own half. They haven't created a single thing.

We're clearly better, but we need to connect more in their half and get some more build up. Too many forced long balls after having no close options.

Bradley is playing very well, I don't think he's missed a pass yet.

charlieocc
03-18-2017, 04:06 PM
Edwards for cooper in the 2nd half please
That would be interesting, get speed like his to tear apart the tired defence.

jloome
03-18-2017, 04:07 PM
Zavaleta poor today too. Oso looking motivated

Jozy looking dozy. He's had three or four clean looks and hasn't taken them, hasn't fought for balls in the air. He's come back to link up a few times, but that's about it. Has to do more.

He looks like he expects Elfath to blow the whistle and call a foul every time he touches the ball.

Oso and Bradley have both been excellent, as has Drew Moor. Hagglund missed two heads from a yard, but both under pressure and has been otherwise good. Cooper has let Parker get under his skin and had both good and bad moments. Be interesting to see Vasquez but Cooper is a tough defender so I think he'll stay in for a bit. Maybe they'll take him out, move Oso to his spot and put Vasquez in. Oso's defending isn't bad.

jloome
03-18-2017, 04:09 PM
Edwards for cooper in the 2nd half please

Vancouver's not getting forward enough; Ricketts isn't getting any space behind, so I doubt Edwards would. But maybe. He can play in multiple spots.

General Woolfe
03-18-2017, 04:10 PM
Pretty brutal first half if we're being honest. Both sides have had half chances, both sides should have had a penalty. Hagglund probably had the reds best chance but a good challenge by the Whitecaps defender meant he couldn't direct his header properly. The best chances are coming from corners rather than open play. I hope Séba isn't out for long 'cos Altidore and Ricketts as a strike force are brutal. Jozy just doesn't look interested, and I can't for the life of me understand why he tried to pass when he had a clear shot on goal early in the half. Ricketts is just a not-very-good footballer I'm afraid. He has speed, but that's about it, and we're not utilizing this talent very well in this game. He has the first touch of an elephant and his finishing gets worse the more time he has. Still our defence looks solid, and Bradley and Cooper seem to be on top of the midfield battles. A bit of guile is needed if we are to find a breakthrough here. It might be worth throwing Vazquez on for Osorio if the second half continues like the first ended. To be honest though our forwards seem out of sorts today and if I had to pick a scorer right now I'd go for Moor or Hagglund from a set piece. In reality another point from another drab performance looks on the cards

69Chevy396
03-18-2017, 04:13 PM
Jozy looking dozy. He's had three or four clean looks and hasn't taken them, hasn't fought for balls in the air. He's come back to link up a few times, but that's about it. Has to do more.

He looks like he expects Elfath to blow the whistle and call a foul every time he touches the ball.

Oso and Bradley have both been excellent, as has Drew Moor. Hagglund missed two heads from a yard, but both under pressure and has been otherwise good. Cooper has let Parker get under his skin and had both good and bad moments. Be interesting to see Vasquez but Cooper is a tough defender so I think he'll stay in for a bit. Maybe they'll take him out, move Oso to his spot and put Vasquez in. Oso's defending isn't bad.
Vancouver has nothing. Same lousy team that was humiliated against the Mexicans. Not sure why we are playing so conservatively, hope that changes soon. Cooper may pass the ball more if Ricketts got into an open space once in a while. Waiting a year to start, the later gives us his worst performance yet. I would replace him asap.

General Woolfe
03-18-2017, 04:13 PM
Someone pinch me...a TFC game on a popular mainstream channel! Awesome!!

P.S. Turf looks like shite!
Up there with the big O as the worst in the league. Criminal they're allowed to play pro-soccer on it

ag futbol
03-18-2017, 04:15 PM
Vancouver's not getting forward enough; Ricketts isn't getting any space behind, so I doubt Edwards would. But maybe. He can play in multiple spots.
Well its either that or Chapman. But you're right, they are playing deep and there's not much room to use speed.

Carl Robinson is tactically dour, glad he's not our coach.

General Woolfe
03-18-2017, 04:22 PM
Dear lord! The lack of communication between Altidore and Morrow there was awful...

Kaz
03-18-2017, 04:37 PM
When this team isn't firing on all cylinders they are so frustrating to watch. Give a ways galore, poor passing, poor communication, bad decision making under pressure. Three games in a row. Something is not right in TFC land.

jloome
03-18-2017, 04:39 PM
When this team isn't firing on all cylinders they are so frustrating to watch. Give a ways galore, poor passing, poor communication, bad decision making under pressure. Three games in a row. Something is not right in TFC land.

We still lack natural goalscorers outside our two DP forwards. We have no one who looks certain to chip in, or create havoc in the opponent's end.

Maybe Vazquez will recapture his form from Belgium.

Davenport
03-18-2017, 04:41 PM
This is very poor stuff. Thankfully Cooper has been removed.

General Woolfe
03-18-2017, 04:41 PM
Our best effort of the game that by Morrow

Kaz
03-18-2017, 04:44 PM
NOOOOOOOO Don't send him off... I want at least a point.

General Woolfe
03-18-2017, 04:44 PM
A big chance for us here. We need to make this advantage count

ag futbol
03-18-2017, 04:44 PM
This is very poor stuff. Thankfully Cooper has been removed.
Unfortunately we replaced the guy who does too much for the one who does too little. Altidore was crying out for a run into space there - Vasquez just stood there.

Shea says fu to the ref and he's gone. Pretty damn sensitive for the professional game I have to say.

Edit: Osorio needs to stop trying to make that a pass and shoot it.

Red CB Toronto
03-18-2017, 04:45 PM
Really have to push, Reds need to show they can play a man up unlike last year.

CBTFC
03-18-2017, 04:45 PM
Brek Shea, what a loser. Lol.

Bring on Edwards!

Red CB Toronto
03-18-2017, 04:46 PM
Raheem getting ready to come in.

PizzaEatingYeti
03-18-2017, 04:46 PM
There will be ZERO excuses if TFC won't win this game against 10 men!

tfcfans
03-18-2017, 04:46 PM
Why am I so afraid when we are a man up? 😁

Oldtimer
03-18-2017, 04:46 PM
NOOOOOOOO Don't send him off... I want at least a point.

Can we take off a man? Lol.

TOBOR !
03-18-2017, 04:47 PM
Meh. Shea should start every game with a yellow card because of his hair.

MightyDM
03-18-2017, 04:47 PM
When this team isn't firing on all cylinders they are so frustrating to watch. Give a ways galore, poor passing, poor communication, bad decision making under pressure. Three games in a row. Something is not right in TFC land.


Not quite right. They strike me as being just a bit off, that's all. Slow. People aren't passing to the runners - a few minutes ago Oso made a great run and Jozy didn't pass it, for example. Looks like they are mentally slow, and a bit physically tired maybe, too.

molenshtain
03-18-2017, 04:48 PM
Brek shea is such an asshole. Glad we never picked him up when he as supposed to be on his way here back in '14.

Ajax TFC
03-18-2017, 04:48 PM
Aggressive sub. I like it

tfcfans
03-18-2017, 04:50 PM
Yay! Now please hold on.....

General Woolfe
03-18-2017, 04:50 PM
Yeeeessss!

Edwards makes a difference immediately

molenshtain
03-18-2017, 04:50 PM
Yesss!!!!!!!!!!

Oldtimer
03-18-2017, 04:50 PM
Vanney going for the win.

ag futbol
03-18-2017, 04:50 PM
Good crossing by Edwards! Made it look easy. And dare I say it the guy I bashed as lazy made a nice run.

Oldtimer
03-18-2017, 04:51 PM
Gooolllllll!!!!!!

MightyDM
03-18-2017, 04:51 PM
Yes! Well done Raheem and dozy Jozy!

Red CB Toronto
03-18-2017, 04:51 PM
What a goal, great touch by Edwards and then the double header with Vazquez finishing it off.

TOBOR !
03-18-2017, 04:51 PM
Unfortunately we replaced the guy who does too much for the one who does too little.

LOL.

Davenport
03-18-2017, 04:52 PM
Positive change by Vanney. Vasquez is a proper player. Nice header to him from Altidore.

ag futbol
03-18-2017, 04:53 PM
Yes!!! We've finally snapped out of it.

tfcfans
03-18-2017, 04:54 PM
There we go!!!!!

Ajax TFC
03-18-2017, 04:54 PM
Suck on that, Vancouver

MightyDM
03-18-2017, 04:54 PM
Who was saying that Oso cannot create? Perfect there

General Woolfe
03-18-2017, 04:54 PM
Jozy makes it two. Good finish! He's certainly woken up the last ten minutes

Red CB Toronto
03-18-2017, 04:54 PM
Jozy .... What a finish !!!

jloome
03-18-2017, 04:55 PM
Vasquez is playing like a monster. Great spotting the trailer coming, opens up space for Jozy. Great goal. We need to play against 10 guys every week!

RealG-TFC
03-18-2017, 04:55 PM
Unfortunately we replaced the guy who does too much for the one who does too little. Altidore was crying out for a run into space there - Vasquez just stood there.

Shea says fu to the ref and he's gone. Pretty damn sensitive for the professional game I have to say.

Edit: Osorio needs to stop trying to make that a pass and shoot it.

Actually I think it was the right call. It wasn't a "fuck off" but it seems to have been a very direct and nasty "fuck you". That to me a way more unprofessional and wouldn't be tolerated in any other workplace

also Vazquez seems to be the real deal, what a pass!!

mistercorporate
03-18-2017, 04:56 PM
Edwards was great, loving the subs!

Davenport
03-18-2017, 04:56 PM
A finely threaded pass from Vasquez, a lovely touch on from Osorio, and a deadly finish from the big man. 2-0.

General Woolfe
03-18-2017, 04:56 PM
The new French lad looks like he's a big boy

edit: maybe not, guess he's just tall

molenshtain
03-18-2017, 04:56 PM
Who was saying that Oso cannot create? Perfect there


Me. I'll take that. I don't mind being proven wrong.

mistercorporate
03-18-2017, 04:58 PM
Our academy produced Raheem Edwards?? Holy shit! Man is making Vancouver defenders look like amateurs!

Davenport
03-18-2017, 04:59 PM
Nick Dasovic is dire as a commentator. English must be his second language.

TOBOR !
03-18-2017, 05:00 PM
For me the difference has been the sending off. Not because of the numerical advantage, but because Toronto stopped playing the ball back to Bono and instead turned the ball upfield.

Possession maintained resulting in goals.

General Woolfe
03-18-2017, 05:00 PM
The tree huggers losing their cool here

ag futbol
03-18-2017, 05:01 PM
Love Edwards directness. He just turns and attacks defenders head on.

MightyDM
03-18-2017, 05:04 PM
Me. I'll take that. I don't mind being proven wrong.

Fair. Very

ag futbol
03-18-2017, 05:05 PM
Hurtado, holly god that was like a training drill and he missed the net.

Davenport
03-18-2017, 05:06 PM
Comfortable win. Shea's man of the match for us !

Ajax TFC
03-18-2017, 05:06 PM
Hurdadurtado is such a joke of a player

69Chevy396
03-18-2017, 05:07 PM
Hurtado, holly god that was like a training drill and he missed the net.
We played very well in the second half, deserve the win against the worst team in MLS in my opinion.

General Woolfe
03-18-2017, 05:07 PM
The lads came good at the end. Dunno if the sending off gave them more space or more belief. To be honest though it was a pretty drab game until the final fifteen minutes. It has to be said that Vancouver are brutal. It would have been a major disappointment to leave without three points today

Still five points and unbeaten after three road games is a reasonable start to the year

Red CB Toronto
03-18-2017, 05:08 PM
A great win by the Reds, good to see them take advantage of being a man up.

Davenport
03-18-2017, 05:08 PM
Our academy produced Raheem Edwards?? Holy shit! Man is making Vancouver defenders look like amateurs!
Give him a bit of time. Remember Vancouver are a man down.

tfcfans
03-18-2017, 05:08 PM
Win and two Ties on the road to start the year --- very happy.....

TOBOR !
03-18-2017, 05:08 PM
Very untidy game, particularly at the end. Okay kids, I'll start supper now.

Shakes McQueen
03-18-2017, 05:11 PM
Long term we obviously have to have better form than we've shown so far, but for now, we could do a lot worse than five points in three road games. I'll gladly take it.

jloome
03-18-2017, 05:12 PM
Nick Dasovic is dire as a commentator. English must be his second language.

Watched the Sky sports feed; much better.

stevep
03-18-2017, 05:13 PM
Here is the difference between Bono and Irwin.

on the Hurtado chance, if that's against Irwin as I am watching the play develop I would be thinking 100% goal as I have seen that so many times result in a goal, I would say almost everytime. against Bono my thoughts are we got a chance to stop the shot.

ag futbol
03-18-2017, 05:13 PM
We played very well in the second half, deserve the win against the worst team in MLS in my opinion.
Yeah I think the mid week game in Mexico didn't help much but I can't see Vancouver making theplayoffs.

Outside of Laba and a few others they are awful.

ag futbol
03-18-2017, 05:14 PM
Watched the Sky sports feed; much better.
You guys haven't listened to the Atlanta united feed today. It's like TV ratings repellant.

69Chevy396
03-18-2017, 05:15 PM
Watched the Sky sports feed; much better.
I agree. By the half, I turn off the volume. The TSN play by play is nothing but useless babble mixed with relentless player close-ups. How many times were we shown that keeper's face?

stevep
03-18-2017, 05:15 PM
Who was saying that Oso cannot create? Perfect there

they are really close but I am leaning towards Oso is better than Copper

Kaz
03-18-2017, 05:17 PM
Two positives. First three road games last season was 1-1-1 with 4 goals for and 3 against. This year 1-0-2 and only 2 against. so we are up on points and better defensively and aren't playing for ties. Secondly we were a man up and didn't screw it up more so we took advantage. This is a good thing.

Still worried about the poor play. I really hope they start communicating and playing better. We should be in better form than this with such a short off season. My big worry is that Vanney (who I still have a low opinion off) is just thinking we'll be fine and being to easy on them as he feels his job is more than likely safe. I'll be interested in seeing how things go against Atlanta they seem to have a lot of potential.

69Chevy396
03-18-2017, 05:17 PM
Here is the difference between Bono and Irwin.

on the Hurtado chance, if that's against Irwin as I am watching the play develop I would be thinking 100% goal as I have seen that so many times result in a goal, I would say almost everytime. against Bono my thoughts are we got a chance to stop the shot.
I like Bono, and thnk he is better than Irwin, but both are decent enough.

69Chevy396
03-18-2017, 05:19 PM
they are really close but I am leaning towards Oso is better than Copper
I agree. I think Cooper is very good with his feet, but not so much, using his brain.

jloome
03-18-2017, 05:19 PM
Jeepers, Atlanta beating up on Chicago 4-0. They were a man up, but still. Josef Martinez is straight up too good for MLS. He's going to score 20 easy.

mowe
03-18-2017, 05:20 PM
Winning sure feels good.

69Chevy396
03-18-2017, 05:23 PM
Jeepers, Atlanta beating up on Chicago 4-0. They were a man up, but still. Josef Martinez is straight up too good for MLS. He's going to score 20 easy.
I hope more Serie A players move to MLS, they bring a certain quality that is finally being showcased here.

molenshtain
03-18-2017, 05:24 PM
Two positives. First three road games last season was 1-1-1 with 4 goals for and 3 against. This year 1-0-2 and only 2 against. so we are up on points and better defensively and aren't playing for ties. Secondly we were a man up and didn't screw it up more so we took advantage. This is a good thing.

Still worried about the poor play. I really hope they start communicating and playing better. We should be in better form than this with such a short off season. My big worry is that Vanney (who I still have a low opinion off) is just thinking we'll be fine and being to easy on them as he feels his job is more than likely safe. I'll be interested in seeing how things go against Atlanta they seem to have a lot of potential.

How can you still have a low opinion of him? he just took us to within inches of a championship.

woolly
03-18-2017, 05:30 PM
I think we did much better as soon as we took Cooper off for Vazquez. In the first half, our midfield weren't making any positive movement forward forcing Ricketts and Altidore to collect the ball deep in our end, or Bono to hoof the ball up (Irwin's distribution is much better IMO). Once Cooper was sent off, it seems that Oso and Vazquez were on a better wavelength and we were able to move the ball more freely through the midfield.

DinamoTFC
03-18-2017, 05:31 PM
The new French lad looks like he's a big boy

edit: maybe not, guess he's just tall

I noticed this too. Definitely imposing and agile. Good pick up.

DinamoTFC
03-18-2017, 05:32 PM
Love Edwards directness. He just turns and attacks defenders head on.

Very promising to see. We definitely lack that outside of Gio.

GBV
03-18-2017, 05:33 PM
Nick Dasovic is dire as a commentator. English must be his second language.

Would take Dasovic over Caldwell in a heartbeat. Pedantic.

DinamoTFC
03-18-2017, 05:34 PM
Here is the difference between Bono and Irwin.

on the Hurtado chance, if that's against Irwin as I am watching the play develop I would be thinking 100% goal as I have seen that so many times result in a goal, I would say almost everytime. against Bono my thoughts are we got a chance to stop the shot.

Irwin hasn't played well ever since his injury. Don't know why.

Bono has been playing excellent when given the chance (outside of his shaky start). Definitely deserves another start.

PizzaEatingYeti
03-18-2017, 05:35 PM
We played very well in the second half, deserve the win against the worst team in MLS in my opinion.
Well deserved win after a good second half and a bad first half, but Van is by far not the worst team.

DinamoTFC
03-18-2017, 05:37 PM
I think we did much better as soon as we took Cooper off for Vazquez. In the first half, our midfield weren't making any positive movement forward forcing Ricketts and Altidore to collect the ball deep in our end, or Bono to hoof the ball up (Irwin's distribution is much better IMO). Once Cooper was sent off, it seems that Oso and Vazquez were on a better wavelength and we were able to move the ball more freely through the midfield.

Cooper wasn't the difference. It was more the red card. Cooper is a very good player-I thunk he's just trying too much on purpose since he knows he's a starter.

You saw him last year in the fall and playoffs. Very good addition to the team that can't be doubted.

Alonso
03-18-2017, 05:39 PM
We played very well in the second half, deserve the win against the worst team in MLS in my opinion.


Minnesota is clearly the worst team in MLS.

Not Vancouver.

But Manneh and Hurtado are no longer what they were hyped up to be in previous years in my mind.

The youth movement in Vancouver appears to be stillborn.

Detroit_TFC
03-18-2017, 05:41 PM
The subs made the difference, so good on Vanney there. One of those odd games in which JA was absolutely terrible except for a couple times and we got goals on those couple times. Impressed by Raheem Edwards, who showed the hunger that a young player fighting for a spot should show.

PizzaEatingYeti
03-18-2017, 05:47 PM
I'm very happy for Vasquez scoring a goal, if I think about all players, scoring now may be most positive thing to him.
He was a beast back in Europe, before having that very bad year in Mexico, so scoring must mean a great deal for his confidence.

notthesun
03-18-2017, 05:47 PM
Good win, nice to shake that "can't beat 10 men" thing early in the year. Vazquez provided exactly what we signed him for: a spark of creativity and offensive talent vs. teams defending in deep.

Re:Osorio, it's what I've been saying for a while, he's great at playing clever balls into feet and linking up with players, less great at playing defense-unlocking through balls. His assist was an example of the former and it was very well done. He's looking better than Cooper so far this year for sure.

Defoe
03-18-2017, 05:49 PM
Man Raheem Edwards looking like Raheem Sterling. But seriously that guy looked good. Wonder if he will be Toronto's first legit academy player to do something Big in his career. (if a Toronto acedmey player has made it big in Europe, excuse me as I'm not sure)

stevep
03-18-2017, 05:51 PM
I think we did much better as soon as we took Cooper off for Vazquez. In the first half, our midfield weren't making any positive movement forward forcing Ricketts and Altidore to collect the ball deep in our end, or Bono to hoof the ball up (Irwin's distribution is much better IMO). Once Cooper was sent off, it seems that Oso and Vazquez were on a better wavelength and we were able to move the ball more freely through the midfield.

agreed 100% Irwin distribution is better than Bono, but still think we have better chance to win with Bono as the goalkeeper

PizzaEatingYeti
03-18-2017, 05:52 PM
Comfortable win. Shea's man of the match for us !

I would never call a comfortable win one which until the 75th minute was 0-0, plus the first goal came 6 minutes after the opponent was reduced to 10 men, even if the final score would be 5-0. :)

mistercorporate
03-18-2017, 05:58 PM
Good win, nice to shake that "can't beat 10 men" thing early in the year. Vazquez provided exactly what we signed him for: a spark of creativity and offensive talent vs. teams defending in deep.

Re:Osorio, it's what I've been saying for a while, he's great at playing clever balls into feet and linking up with players, less great at playing defense-unlocking through balls. His assist was an example of the former and it was very well done. He's looking better than Cooper so far this year for sure.

This.

mistercorporate
03-18-2017, 06:00 PM
Man Raheem Edwards looking like Raheem Sterling. But seriously that guy looked good. Wonder if he will be Toronto's first legit academy player to do something Big in his career. (if a Toronto acedmey player has made it big in Europe, excuse me as I'm not sure)

I was thinking the same thing! lol

OgtheDim
03-18-2017, 06:10 PM
WTF is this season with all these streams without commentary?
It happens just in MLS games.

Somebody is scooping from the international feed. SkyTV and others (TSN for non Canadian away games) use that feed and then add in their own commentary.

I kinda like it - like being at the game.

Hugh Jazz
03-18-2017, 06:11 PM
Vazquez completed 21 passes while Cooper completed 23. Vazquez was playing up a man but Cooper was on for almost twice as long. Cooper has talent but I'd like to see him move the ball quicker.

Redcoe15
03-18-2017, 06:31 PM
Thank you Brek Shea for being a dumbass g:D. Nice to see our side take advantage of a side that is a man down.

UpTheReds
03-18-2017, 06:46 PM
As has been said. 5 points from 9 on the road and now coming home? I will take that in a heart beat! Can't wait for March 31st and too be back at BMO Field!

General Woolfe
03-18-2017, 07:29 PM
WTF is this season with all these streams without commentary?It happens just in MLS games


Somebody is scooping from the international feed. SkyTV and others (TSN for non Canadian away games) use that feed and then add in their own commentary.

I kinda like it - like being at the game.
I notice this is happening with all MLS streams so far this season. No commentary is one thing, but no sound quite another. Completely robs the game of any atmosphere

Still beggars can't be choosers...

Oldtimer
03-18-2017, 07:29 PM
After Jozy scores he runs towards the south side, then he just runs around the back of the net instead of celebrating there. I wonder if he was going to celebrate there, but then remembered "the finger?

Ajax TFC
03-18-2017, 07:35 PM
Great to see an academy player come in and actually make a difference rather than just show "potential". Also think Osorio will have the season of his career so far. He's going to step his game up another level with stiff competition from Vazquez and Cooper for playing time.

69Chevy396
03-18-2017, 07:42 PM
Great to see an academy player come in and actually make a difference rather than just show "potential". Also think Osorio will have the season of his career so far. He's going to step his game up another level with stiff competition from Vazquez and Cooper for playing time.
I would use Cheyrou over Cooper

GuelphStorm2007
03-18-2017, 07:43 PM
Bring on KC a team that TFC has had a problem with through the years I am hoping Gio being back and the home field fans can spurn them to victory

GuelphStorm2007
03-18-2017, 07:44 PM
i would use cheyrou over cooper
i agree

GuelphStorm2007
03-18-2017, 07:46 PM
Great to see an academy player come in and actually make a difference rather than just show "potential". Also think Osorio will have the season of his career so far. He's going to step his game up another level with stiff competition from Vazquez and Cooper for playing time.


Would take Dasovic over Caldwell in a heartbeat. Pedantic.
I miss the days Rauter and Leggat

molenshtain
03-18-2017, 07:53 PM
I would use Cheyrou over Cooper


Doesn't have the legs or speed to the required running in that position. Cheyrou is solely a Bradley back up at this point.

Ajax TFC
03-18-2017, 08:08 PM
I would use Cheyrou over Cooper
I'm a big fan of Cheyrou, certainly more than Cooper. But he's not competing with anyone for serious playing time at this point. He's a quality backup utility midfielder at this point in his career

mistercorporate
03-18-2017, 08:14 PM
I'm a big fan of Cheyrou, certainly more than Cooper. But he's not competing with anyone for serious playing time at this point. He's a quality backup utility midfielder at this point in his career

This.

OgtheDim
03-18-2017, 08:55 PM
Cheyrou will get his games in May and when Bradley goes to the Gold Cup.

Red4ever
03-18-2017, 10:10 PM
Anyone know what Shea said? By his reaction and the refs, it looked pretty harmless.

molenshtain
03-18-2017, 10:25 PM
Anyone know what Shea said? By his reaction and the refs, it looked pretty harmless.

Shea clearly said 'fuck you' to Elfaith after the yellow. Elfaith stared him down, asked "did you really just say that?" Shea responded in the affirmative, "Yeah I did just say that".

Then Elfaith gave the red.

Red4ever
03-18-2017, 10:38 PM
stupid.

But if you're gonna give him the red, give him the red.

SKB
03-18-2017, 11:09 PM
The team seems to play with more confidense with Bono in net. Especially the defense, I like him In net going forward. I would play both goalies 50/50 and let one win the job.

El Diego
03-19-2017, 12:41 AM
Shea clearly said 'fuck you' to Elfaith after the yellow. Elfaith stared him down, asked "did you really just say that?" Shea responded in the affirmative, "Yeah I did just say that".

Then Elfaith gave the red.

That's how I saw it too, basically, but I don't think the ref said anything.

SHEA: Fuck you

REF: *stares at SHEA*

SHEA: Yeah I said it

How stupid do you have to be to affirm telling a ref you told him "Fuck you." right after he gave you a yellow?

Rene Kingsriver
03-19-2017, 06:31 AM
That's how I saw it too, basically, but I don't think the ref said anything.

SHEA: Fuck you

REF: *stares at SHEA*

SHEA: Yeah I said it

How stupid do you have to be to affirm telling a ref you told him "Fuck you." right after he gave you a yellow?

I think a brief google image retrospective on the hairstyles of Brek Shea will answer that question

Brooker
03-19-2017, 06:39 AM
Anyone know what Shea said?

I would rather pound my balls flat with a wooden mallet than know what he said.

Unbearable prick.

Prof
03-19-2017, 08:24 AM
The team seems to play with more confidense with Bono in net. Especially the defense, I like him In net going forward. I would play both goalies 50/50 and let one win the job.

I agree. He seems to have really matured over the past year and has more of a presence in front of goal than Irwin.

Hugh Jazz
03-19-2017, 10:01 AM
Although this wasn't our strongest game I like how we're set-up to start the season - our new signings have been able to get their feet wet and it looks like there will be healthy competition for the two CM spots in front of Bradley, the CB spots not named Moor and between our GKs. Along with a few youngsters fighting more minutes I imagine there's a lot of hard work going on in training. This team will be much better later in the season.

Red CB Toronto
03-19-2017, 10:52 AM
I am good with the Reds taking 5 of 9 points with having to play the first three games of the season on the road. Loved everything about the first goal yesterday from Edwards cross to the double headers.

PopePouri
03-19-2017, 11:17 AM
Vancouver are the biggest shit-talkers and they've barely accomplished anything outside of a wildcard playoff spot and 1 Canadian Championship. I would be embarrassed to be a fan.

notthesun
03-19-2017, 01:55 PM
Given the precedent set for second assists by the league, I really don't get how Vazquez wasn't awarded one on Altidore's goal. They regularly dish them out for far less... a difficult pass between two opposing players, didn't even look like the pass was there to be made and it led directly to Osorio's assist.

C.Ronaldo
03-19-2017, 02:05 PM
Anyone think Edwards deserved a shot much sooner. He has hunger, confidence,pace and skill

Ie. Deserved a shot over endoh any day

Kamp Berg
03-19-2017, 02:30 PM
Anyone think Edwards deserved a shot much sooner. He has hunger, confidence,pace and skill

Ie. Deserved a shot over endoh any day

He's a different kind of player but Edwards certainly derserves more chances after yesterday. Vanney/Bez do seem to have a bit of an obsession with CMs!?!

OgtheDim
03-19-2017, 02:35 PM
Anyone think Edwards deserved a shot much sooner. He has hunger, confidence,pace and skill

Ie. Deserved a shot over endoh any day

Different players put into different situations. At this level, you slot in guys to match up tactically. E.g. Davies was subbed at the half after playing lights out against everybody until this game.

Listening to Vanney, Edwards was put in basically to provide width and allow Morrow to play back a bit - team played more like a 3-4-3 or a 4-4-2. Edwards had coverage behind him. Not the same as being asked to replace Beitashour as a WB.

ag futbol
03-19-2017, 03:07 PM
Just my $0.02 but I think Endoh has been given too many chances. His crossing is atrocious and positioning is often sub par. We lack a natural right sided player with attacking instincts and pace. So he gets thrown in, but still...

PopePouri
03-19-2017, 03:09 PM
Anyone think Edwards deserved a shot much sooner. He has hunger, confidence,pace and skill

Ie. Deserved a shot over endoh any day

No. TFC handled this one right by giving him a few seasons in USL and letting him earn a contract.

OgtheDim
03-19-2017, 04:41 PM
On the Bono / Irwin thing, I still think Bono doesn't communicate with his defenders as much he should. Nor do I think his distribution is as good as Irwin. In essence, he's a younger version of Bendik. Great shot stopper but not a complete package.

On the other hand, I think Vanney made that move partly because Irwin contributed to the 2nd Philly goal by not reacting fast enough.

69Chevy396
03-19-2017, 09:44 PM
On the Bono / Irwin thing, I still think Bono doesn't communicate with his defenders as much he should. Nor do I think his distribution is as good as Irwin. In essence, he's a younger version of Bendik. Great shot stopper but not a complete package.

On the other hand, I think Vanney made that move partly because Irwin contributed to the 2nd Philly goal by not reacting fast enough.
.....and, Irwin's penchant for letting in easy goals since he returned from injury in the Fall.

PopePouri
03-19-2017, 11:46 PM
On the Bono / Irwin thing, I still think Bono doesn't communicate with his defenders as much he should. Nor do I think his distribution is as good as Irwin. In essence, he's a younger version of Bendik. Great shot stopper but not a complete package.

On the other hand, I think Vanney made that move partly because Irwin contributed to the 2nd Philly goal by not reacting fast enough.

Don't think that's a fair assessment. Bono's aggressive. What I saw on Saturday was someone decisive and off his line plucking out corners and crosses. Neither Bendik or Irwin had those attributes.

Roberts was more of a younger version of Bendik.

OgtheDim
03-20-2017, 06:37 AM
Fair enough. But he really needs to work on his communication.

C.Ronaldo
03-20-2017, 09:03 AM
Irwin is the better keeper but something in the team changes with Bono

Yohan
03-20-2017, 10:24 AM
Few random thoughts.

-Ricketts must play centrally. All he's good at is running at the goal and shoot. The times he tried to pass or cross esp from the flanks were brutal.

-When Justin Morrow was the biggest threat on attack on numerous occasions... It's good that he thinks he's Jordi Alba.

-I think most of MLS figured out the 3-5-2 thing.

-Osorio is never going to be a playmaker, but he's got soft first touch and good short passing. A team can always use a supporting CM like him.

-One day Father Time will catch up to Drew Moor. And it will be ugly for TFC, just like Caldwell got old very fast and TFC had no back up plan for losing a key CB.

-Nick Hagglund... good kid, tries hard, but on a career projectory like Julius James. Pure athleticism isn't going to cut it in rapidly evolving MLS. Needs to grow some footy IQ fast if he's going to last in MLS.

-Victor Vazquez is going to be the truth... if people can be patient with him while he builds up match fitness and figures out the league. He's the pure playmaker we haven't had since Amado Guevara, but even better passer.

-Raheem Edwards has no fear and I hope he never loses that.

-I just don't think Altidore puts in 100% during most games. When he does, he's a game breaker. When he doesn't, he gets easily taken out of the game.

-Clint Irwin is an avg MLS GK, but that's ok. You can win an MLS Cup with avg GKs like Irwin or Stefan Frei. Heck, even Josh Saunders.

-When is Jay Chapman and Jordan Hamilton going to get mins? Voyageurs Cup isn't enough, and I think they are just as good as Cooper and Ricketts.

-Speaking of Cooper, he's a cheat, but he's our cheat. Just like Guevara was. You love him when he play for you, but you hate him when he plays against you. Between Cooper, Jozy and Giovinco, TFC is getting a rep as a team that goes down a little too easy.

fergiejr
03-20-2017, 10:30 AM
-Speaking of Cooper, he's a cheat, but he's our cheat. Just like Guevara was. You love him when he play for you, but you hate him when he plays against you. Between Cooper, Jozy and Giovinco, TFC is getting a rep as a team that goes down a little too easy.

I've actually noticed this season that Cooper is diving less. That's good. The problem is the guys he is up against seem to go down a lot - whether he's chipping them or they are diving. That's not good.

fergiejr
03-20-2017, 10:33 AM
No. TFC handled this one right by giving him a few seasons in USL and letting him earn a contract.

I would have liked to see him sooner, but I agree with you - he earned this spot. The timing was right in my opinion. His time in USL will help him in the MLS. Now it's up to him to succeed.

Milanista
03-20-2017, 11:27 AM
Guys like Gio and Alti consistently get kicked and tackled hard every game, so i expect them to go down easier than most players

Shway
03-20-2017, 11:37 AM
it's weird, it's clearly size that makes a difference.

When Gio gets chopped it looks like a man dirty tackling a little kid. When Jozy gets chopped/grabbed it looks like a man playing against his little son trying to do whatever to contain his dad.

It sucks that he has to exaggerate when he's getting fouled or grabbed, because the reality is he's way stronger than most and because he's stronger, the expectation is that he should be able to deal with it.

Section_105
03-20-2017, 12:03 PM
The carpet got replaced with new turf for Women's World Cup in 2015

if that was the replaced turf then....my word do they ever need to replace it again. Not montreal bad but that was thinned out something awful where the handegg lines would be. That garbage should not be allowed though I saw their players slip on it more than once....

Section_105
03-20-2017, 12:26 PM
Man Raheem Edwards looking like Raheem Sterling. But seriously that guy looked good. Wonder if he will be Toronto's first legit academy player to do something Big in his career. (if a Toronto acedmey player has made it big in Europe, excuse me as I'm not sure)

Doneil henry was bought by West Ham (through a shaddy stop in Cyprus to get european union approval) but has been injured 90% of the time since. really sad string of bad luck for him. For academy products he has been the biggest euro move.

Canary10
03-20-2017, 12:48 PM
Minnesota is clearly the worst team in MLS.

Not Vancouver.

But Manneh and Hurtado are no longer what they were hyped up to be in previous years in my mind.

The youth movement in Vancouver appears to be stillborn.

My wife laughed out loud at Hurtado's shot wide and high toward the end of the game. It was pretty funny.

OgtheDim
03-20-2017, 05:25 PM
Interesting stuff...



Few random thoughts.


-I think most of MLS figured out the 3-5-2 thing.





Not too sure what you mean by that. Teams used to gum up the middle against us. Now they have to consider balls moving in from the sides. If we can get our ball movement up to the speed it was at the end of last season, we'll be a handful to deal with.




-One day Father Time will catch up to Drew Moor. And it will be ugly for TFC, just like Caldwell got old very fast and TFC had no back up plan for losing a key CB.



I think we've got 2 more seasons out of him. Guys like that are hard to come by though - MLS experienced 30 year old defenders who can call out plays for the backline. You have to grow guys like that, unfortunately.





-I just don't think Altidore puts in 100% during most games. When he does, he's a game breaker. When he doesn't, he gets easily taken out of the game.



He had an interesting thing to say after Vancouver about being muscled a lot, words to the affect of "I'll give them all those because I only need 1". Like a lot of strikers, he can seem to come in and out of the game; the only ones who don't seem to be speed merchants. He's motivated and scoring and doing a lot of banging.



-When is Jay Chapman and Jordan Hamilton going to get mins? Voyageurs Cup isn't enough, and I think they are just as good as Cooper and Ricketts.

Hamilton is good but his style fits a Jozy replacement beside Seba. He'll get his shots during the Gold Cup as well. Chapman is a better passer then Cooper but nowhere near as much a pest - every team needs one pest.




-Speaking of Cooper, he's a cheat, but he's our cheat. Just like Guevara was. You love him when he play for you, but you hate him when he plays against you. Between Cooper, Jozy and Giovinco, TFC is getting a rep as a team that goes down a little too easy.

Cooper got called out by Vanney after the Philly game for going down supposedly fouled before they scored their second goal. Has to be better strategically at this. But, its CONCACAF style and something that helps us.

pekduck
03-20-2017, 06:22 PM
Interesting stuff...

Not too sure what you mean by that. Teams used to gum up the middle against us. Now they have to consider balls moving in from the sides. If we can get our ball movement up to the speed it was at the end of last season, we'll be a handful to deal with.

Thats the offensive part but when it comes to our own defensive third. Most teams have figured it out. When we switched to 3-5-2 it gave other teams massive confusion because the typical gaps one to exploite between CBs and FBs disappeared. We were hard to penetrate so they go to the middle and got trampled by Bradley/Cheyrou/Johnson. Now most team learned that the space to exploit our 3-5-2 is no longer just between CBs and their side of flank but also between the 3 CBs themselves. As you can see the quick goals we give up this season up to date, most are penetrating passes in through ball or over the top between 3 CBs. Spacing between 3 CBs is harder to manager than 2 CBs since it's almost a moving dynamic.

The off season rust still remains where 3 man mid leaving too much gap between midfield and 3 CBs that any turnover or counter can two pass to go one v one with Irwin.

We we need to gel better and have the team play more compact 3-5-2 to maximize its defensive capabilities. Otherwise we will end up like sieves against stronger opponent who are more clinical and short passing oriented team.

Bobo
03-21-2017, 08:32 AM
No need to jump the gun on Bono and start a goalkeeping controversy. Irwin is a dependable experienced GK, and the No. 1 should be his to lose, though I think it's important for Bono to get the odd game.