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OgtheDim
03-09-2017, 01:21 PM
Dates set

https://twitter.com/lauraarmy/status/839900855805571072

OgtheDim
03-09-2017, 01:25 PM
http://www.canadasoccer.com/canadian-championship-kicks-off-10th-edition-in-may-with-more-canadian-content-p160637


New to the Canadian Championship in 2017, Canada Soccer has added a Canadian Content rule ensuring that at least three Canadians are included on every starting lineup throughout the competition.

I suppose they can do this now that Vancouver finally got enough Canadians to dress 3 as starters. :canada:

Fort York Redcoat
03-09-2017, 01:26 PM
Ottawa trip the day after the long weekend. Whoah.

Oldtimer
03-09-2017, 01:28 PM
http://www.canadasoccer.com/canadian-championship-kicks-off-10th-edition-in-may-with-more-canadian-content-p160637



I suppose they can do this now that Vancouver finally got enough Canadians to dress 3 as starters. :canada:

g:D :lol: Well played.

michaeltfc91
03-09-2017, 01:46 PM
In line with the launch of the new CONCACAF Champions League format which places the Canadian representative in Phase II beginning in March 2018, a special one-match Canadian playoff between last year's winners Toronto FC (unless Toronto FC repeats as Canadian winners) and the 2017 winners will be played on 9 August in Toronto to determine who will advance.

So we lost our guaranteed Champions League spot in the 2017-2018 CONCACAF Champions League

OgtheDim
03-09-2017, 01:59 PM
In line with the launch of the new CONCACAF Champions League format which places the Canadian representative in Phase II beginning in March 2018, a special one-match Canadian playoff between last year's winners Toronto FC (unless Toronto FC repeats as Canadian winners) and the 2017 winners will be played on 9 August in Toronto to determine who will advance.

So we lost our guaranteed Champions League spot in the 2017-2018 CONCACAF Champions League

I actually don't mind this idea. Has the potential to be a HUGE night for Canadian soccer.

notthesun
03-09-2017, 02:09 PM
Dumb that we've lost our qualification for the CCL, but I guess something had to be done...

This does open up the interesting angle that we could play an entire squad of subs and reserve for this whole tournament with the knowledge that if we lose, we can put out a full strength team in the playoff to secure CCL qualification. Not that I think this will actually happen.

Areathrasher
03-09-2017, 02:20 PM
May is going to be a busy month. Yikes.

OgtheDim
03-09-2017, 02:34 PM
May is going to be a busy month. Yikes.

It always is. Which is why I admire Manning for making the Voyageurs and the CCL so important. They could do like Vancouver did for years and just avoid the whole thing. But not TFC anymore.

I would not be surprised if the CSA wanted to just skip the 2016 winner and make the 2017 Voyageurs team the CCL entrant and Manning slighly pointed out there was another option. Hey, we win, we are in. We don't win, and we have a cup final, at our place, to get there. I'll take that.

Section_105
03-09-2017, 02:53 PM
Need to go for the cup win to remove any jabbering points by our west coast and east river rivals. but at least we have the other way in as consolation in case we don't get the silverware.

OgtheDim
03-09-2017, 03:09 PM
Need to go for the cup win to remove any jabbering points by our west coast and east river rivals.


Easy answer to that
http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/jordan-hamilton-celebrates-a-goal-with-jay-chapman-as-the-toronto-fc-picture-id537429188

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http://wpmedia.theprovince.com/2016/06/david-ousted-will-johnson.jpeg?quality=60&strip=all

Canuck82
03-09-2017, 03:17 PM
"Looking ahead to 2018, Canada Soccer has also confirmed plans to expand the Canadian Championship to include winning teams from both League1 Ontario and Première Ligue de soccer du Québec."

So why those two and not the six Canadian teams in the PDL? The US Open Cup allows PDL teams to enter....if we did it in Canada we would have a 13 team tournament.

ouderwien
03-09-2017, 03:42 PM
I am very exciting to see that the Voyageur Cup has expanded to include League 1 Teams! I am assuming though, if the Academy wins, they wouldn't be eligble?

OgtheDim
03-09-2017, 04:04 PM
"Looking ahead to 2018, Canada Soccer has also confirmed plans to expand the Canadian Championship to include winning teams from both League1 Ontario and Première Ligue de soccer du Québec."

So why those two and not the six Canadian teams in the PDL? The US Open Cup allows PDL teams to enter....if we did it in Canada we would have a 13 team tournament.

What if there just happened to be 9 CPL teams in 2018...

James17930
03-10-2017, 12:15 AM
This CCL thing is absolute horseshit. They can't make a change like that after it has already declared that Toronto is the CCL entrant (or are they going to try some 'we hadn't actually officially declared it yet' thing)?

TFC should get into the next CCL, no matter what. Then maybe this year's and next year's CC winners can play-off.

Doing it this way is fucking lame.

MightyDM
03-10-2017, 01:02 AM
I actually don't mind this idea. Has the potential to be a HUGE night for Canadian soccer.

Only if we lose. Plus it has the potential to make Will Johnsons amazing leg breaking goal irrelevant.

MightyDM
03-10-2017, 01:04 AM
This CCL thing is absolute horseshit. They can't make a change like that after it has already declared that Toronto is the CCL entrant (or are they going to try some 'we hadn't actually officially declared it yet' thing)?

TFC should get into the next CCL, no matter what. Then maybe this year's and next year's CC winners can play-off.

Doing it this way is fucking lame.

Bingo. More politely, but bingo. Will Johnson's goal meant something. Remeber the feeling?

OgtheDim
03-10-2017, 06:55 AM
Only if we lose. Plus it has the potential to make Will Johnsons amazing leg breaking goal irrelevant.

Uh, so its not a big night if we have a one off game against Vancouver or Montreal at our place and win?

As for making that goal irrelevant, I'm pretty darn sure the CSA didn't have to give us a slot in the CCL in 2018 at all. Given that, we get the inside track all the way on this thing. We thought winning that competition meant CCL - well apparently it doesn't. What it gives us is home field advantage. In the grand scheme of things, I'll take that. Would I prefer we had an in on this thing? Sure. But, rules change and somebody was going to lose out here.

Ultimately, there is no way the CSA were going to make teams wait 18 months from winning the Voyaguers to get in the CCL - that wasn't going to happen. The tradeoff for this is getting into a knockout competition right away with probable seed that means Canadian teams don't play a US or Mexican team until the quarters.

James17930
03-10-2017, 07:15 AM
Uh, so its not a big night if we have a one off game against Vancouver or Montreal at our place and win?

As for making that goal irrelevant, I'm pretty darn sure the CSA didn't have to give us a slot in the CCL in 2018 at all. Given that, we get the inside track all the way on this thing. We thought winning that competition meant CCL - well apparently it doesn't. What it gives us is home field advantage. In the grand scheme of things, I'll take that. Would I prefer we had an in on this thing? Sure. But, rules change and somebody was going to lose out here.

Ultimately, there is no way the CSA were going to make teams wait 18 months from winning the Voyaguers to get in the CCL - that wasn't going to happen. The tradeoff for this is getting into a knockout competition right away with probable seed that means Canadian teams don't play a US or Mexican team until the quarters.

But you can't change the rules AFTER the competition has already taken place. That's incredibly unfair.

OgtheDim
03-10-2017, 07:36 AM
But you can't change the rules AFTER the competition has already taken place. That's incredibly unfair.

Yes it is unfair.

The competition that win was for changed after we won - we should be playing CCL in August this year but that's not going to happen. Manning got us the best deal possible. And, this makes the Voyaguers this year something different, with a guaranteed chance for us to win something big at home.

Derko
03-10-2017, 09:25 AM
Yes it is unfair.

The competition that win was for changed after we won - we should be playing CCL in August this year but that's not going to happen. Manning got us the best deal possible. And, this makes the Voyaguers this year something different, with a guaranteed chance for us to win something big at home.

Just go out and win the fucking thing

paul-collins
03-10-2017, 09:32 AM
What will the cap tie rules be for TFC if they go through to CCL based on the 2016 win?

Put another way, is Vasquez tied with Cruz Azul?

Oldtimer
03-10-2017, 09:34 AM
Yes it is unfair.

The competition that win was for changed after we won - we should be playing CCL in August this year but that's not going to happen. Manning got us the best deal possible. And, this makes the Voyaguers this year something different, with a guaranteed chance for us to win something big at home.

Count on the CSA to mess things up. It's what they do best. Intelligent decisions and the CSA don't belong in the same sentence. Of course it's unfair, but they couldn't think of the obvious ways to solve this. Stupid, just stupid decision by the CSA.

Oldtimer
03-10-2017, 09:35 AM
What will the cap tie rules be for TFC if they go through to CCL based on the 2016 win?

Put another way, is Vasquez tied with Cruz Azul?

Paging John Molinaro. Good question to ask!!!

Dunkers
03-10-2017, 11:59 AM
What will the cap tie rules be for TFC if they go through to CCL based on the 2016 win?

Put another way, is Vasquez tied with Cruz Azul?

TFC cant go in based on the 2016 win, at best they will go in based on the 2017 win, or the playoff between TFC and the 2017 winner. Either way Vasquez would not be cup tied as he was not on Cruz Azul in 2017, and he would be eligible to paly in the playoff match in 2017.

leafsman
03-10-2017, 12:38 PM
The CSA proves how much of a joke they are. Most sensible thing to do would have this years winner face net year winner instead of changing the rules after the fact.

Areathrasher
03-10-2017, 12:38 PM
What will the cap tie rules be for TFC if they go through to CCL based on the 2016 win?

Put another way, is Vasquez tied with Cruz Azul?

You can't be cuptied for a competition you've never played in.

Cruz Azul didn't qualify for the CCL in 16/17 so Vasquez never played in it.

OgtheDim
03-10-2017, 12:42 PM
The CSA proves how much of a joke they are. Most sensible thing to do would have this years winner face net year winner instead of changing the rules after the fact.

That is what they did

The CCL games for the Canadian rep will begin in February 2018.

leafsman
03-10-2017, 12:45 PM
That is what they did

The CCL games for the Canadian rep will begin in February 2018.

No it should be TFC qualifies for 2018. 2017 winner and 2018 winner play next summer to play in 2019.

mowe
03-10-2017, 12:48 PM
Will Johnson's goal meant something. Remeber the feeling?
It meant winning the Voyageurs' Cup and being crowned champions of Canada. That's enough for me.

In any case, we are going to win again this year, no playoff needed.

Ponderosa
03-10-2017, 12:53 PM
I've lost track of ticketing for these things...are these included in this year's SSH package?

Oldtimer
03-10-2017, 01:30 PM
It meant winning the Voyageurs' Cup and being crowned champions of Canada. That's enough for me.

In any case, we are going to win again this year, no playoff needed.

That's confidence! What if Montreal wins this year then wins the playoff on our home turf? It's happened before, ya know that Montreal qualified for the CCL in our house. I'll leave it at that.:leaving:

MightyDM
03-10-2017, 01:50 PM
I meant that the "big night". Only happens if we lose this years tourney

fergiejr
03-10-2017, 02:22 PM
I've lost track of ticketing for these things...are these included in this year's SSH package?

Yes. The Concacaf tickets were, but were refunded since we're not playing any of those games this year.

paul-collins
03-10-2017, 03:39 PM
You can't be cuptied for a competition you've never played in.

Cruz Azul didn't qualify for the CCL in 16/17 so Vasquez never played in it.
Ok, to be honest I only threw his name out there because it was on the top of my head.

Maybe I ask it this way: If TFC get into CCL based on the 2016 win, can Will Johnson play for Orlando in the same tournament?

Anyway, maybe it's all moot as I doubt there are many players who played for us last year in the tournament who have moved on (too lazy to look) and probably fewer who have joined but played in their qualifying games last year at their previous club?

It's more of a theoretical exercise at this point. But I would think the cap tie rules should be waived for 2016 participants on principle. Seems wrong that you can be disqualified from playing for your new club two years after you've moved based on the transition tournament structure.

Areathrasher
03-10-2017, 04:19 PM
Ok, to be honest I only threw his name out there because it was on the top of my head.

Maybe I ask it this way: If TFC get into CCL based on the 2016 win, can Will Johnson play for Orlando in the same tournament?

Anyway, maybe it's all moot as I doubt there are many players who played for us last year in the tournament who have moved on (too lazy to look) and probably fewer who have joined but played in their qualifying games last year at their previous club?

It's more of a theoretical exercise at this point. But I would think the cap tie rules should be waived for 2016 participants on principle. Seems wrong that you can be disqualified from playing for your new club two years after you've moved based on the transition tournament structure.

You can't be cup tied for participation in the CCL by playing in the Voyageurs Cup. They are two completely different competitions.

Being cup tied for the CCL would be playing in the group stages for say Saprissa then moving to MLS over the offseason to a team still in the CCL knock out stages.

You're wayyyyyyyyyyyyy over thinking things man :lol:

EDIT: From CONCACAF itself


Once having been registered on a roster for a club in any stage, a player may not be registered for any other club during the same edition of the competition.

Bottom of page 17 Link (http://www.concacaf.com/concacaf-champions-league-2014-15-regulations)

paul-collins
03-14-2017, 09:38 AM
You're wayyyyyyyyyyyyy over thinking things man :lol:

Or underthinking. :)

Mark in Ottawa
03-14-2017, 12:30 PM
Maybe some of this "changing of the rules" is the CSA getting ready to change the way the Voyageur Cup tournament is organized in future with the possibility of Canadian Premier League teams and teams from other levels being in the competition somehow.

Doucet3
03-15-2017, 03:06 AM
Absolutely love that the Canadian Championship like the Canadian version of the FA Cup ... minus 700 teams ��Ahha. I still love it though and want it to continue to grow, I'm excited it's grown and will grow in the next 3-5 yrs, BC just started a league similar to L1O and not to mention with the Canadian Premier League coming around 3-5 yrs it will only expand. Big for football in Canada.