2017 general TFC/MLS banter

[Oldtimer]

This thread is a catch-all for general banter not specifically related to transfer rumours

[ensco]

I'll kick it off with the tweet of the day

https://twitter.com/whitecapsfc/status/837044360629780480

[Oldtimer]

I'll kick it off with the tweet of the day

https://twitter.com/whitecapsfc/status/837044360629780480

A trade like that is soooo MLS.

[OgtheDim]

New Wall of Honour Up

https://twitter.com/NeilMDavidson/status/837328919145689088

[Captain]

New Wall of Honour Up

https://twitter.com/NeilMDavidson/status/837328919145689088

Can anyone with better eyes than me clarify what each of these honours is for?

[Captain]

I think I can just make out Defoe's. It might say Biggest Momma's Boy!

[OgtheDim]

In other news, the overrated one has been cut by NYCFC


https://twitter.com/DougMacESPN/status/837344864710852610

[Oldtimer]

Atlanta has sold 50k for their first match, close to a sellout (55k) of their pointyball field. 30k season tickets, second highest in the league and the highest ever for an expansion side. Life is great for MLS 3.0 sides, and there seems to be a lot of pent up demand for footy in some markets:

http://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2017/03/01/atlanta-united-fc-pass-50000-tickets-sold-inaugural-mls-match

[Jpexxx]

In other news, the overrated one has been cut by NYCFC


https://twitter.com/DougMacESPN/status/837344864710852610


What teams have cap room enough/ the need for someone with his (supposed) skill-set?

[Captain]

I was just over looking at the Big Soccer Forum. There's a thread for people to post there predictions on final results for the year. Every single person who has posted, predicts TFC to finish first in the east with many going further and predicting either that TFC wins the Shield, wins the MLS Cup or plays in the Cup final.

Wow TFC has come far! Felt great to read positive comments about the Reds instead of being the but of all MLS jokes. It takes some getting used to.

[Oldtimer]

Wow TFC has come far! Felt great to read positive comments about the Reds instead of being the but of all MLS jokes. It takes some getting used to.

Post Traumatic TFC disorder will take years to recover from. I'm still waiting for doom to fall, even though we're under new management.

[C.Ronaldo]

Post Traumatic TFC disorder will take years to recover from. I'm still waiting for doom to fall, even though we're under new management.

I still flinch during ticket price increase times

[mistercorporate]

Pffft, that's nothing! I still get excited when I think of Defoe's mama!

[OgtheDim]

A look at the local TV deals for all the US based teams

http://www.socceramerica.com/article/72410/tv-report-mls-regional-broadcast-plans-confirmed.html?edition=16900


Most teams are covered locally except for the games on ESPN and Fox.

[OgtheDim]

Grant Wahl's ambition rankings.

Teams actually lobby Wahl to get better rankings.

Always worth a read.


http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2017/03/03/2017-mls-ambition-rankings


And, yes, we are #1 in this.

At the bottom of that page, Wahl links to the specific answers to his questionnaire that were given by each team. Its a lot of corporate speak but if you are, like me, a wonk for what is going on in MLS, it makes for some interesting reading.

[C.Ronaldo]

Grant Wahl's ambition rankings.

Teams actually lobby Wahl to get better rankings.

Always worth a read.


http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2017/03/03/2017-mls-ambition-rankings


And, yes, we are #1 in this.

At the bottom of that page, Wahl links to the specific answers to his questionnaire that were given by each team. Its a lot of corporate speak but if you are, like me, a wonk for what is going on in MLS, it makes for some interesting reading.

what if one doesnt know what a wonk is?

[Yohan]

https://blog.underarmour.com/grow-failure-mls-star-justin-morrows-championship-dream/

I <3 Morrow

[ensco]

Anybody got a recent definitive piece to read about Atlanta?

Every single thing they have done is impressive

[OgtheDim]

Well here's a fan perspective on Atlanta

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/217804112/atlanta-united-eve-first-mls-game-fans


I like these two bits



Right now, Atlanta United is pristine, unblemished, nothing but something we can all get excited about and feel special about and scream super loud about. Atlanta is a city that has sometimes struggled with a collective mindset, but the unquestioned desire for that has led to this moment for Atlanta United. Everybody's a fan of Atlanta United right now. But it is much easier to be a fan when you haven't, uh, played any games. Now there are actual games. Now there are actual sports. Now is when it gets hard.
So on the eve of their first game, I just wanted to take the opportunity to appreciate this final moment of perfection for Atlanta United, when the whole city's ecstatic to welcome a new team, to feel like they're a part of something, to have a happy collective good, before the ungainly realities of cheering for a sports team set in. Many of those 50,000 fans won't come back after this weekend. But if this team can give them that moment -- or even if just the atmosphere of 50,000 people losing their mind, starting something together, can itself be that moment -- then, well, dammit, they'll have us forever, whether we like it or not.




&


That's US in the corner
That's YOU in the spotlight
Losing to our set piece
Trying to keep us OUT
And I don't know if you can do it
Oh no I've said too much
You haven't scored enough
I thought that I heard you laughing
I thought that I heard you sing
I think I thought I saw you try

[ensco]

^Thanks. They really have something that looks like what happened here in 2007, only bigger.

The front office, starting with Eales, is kind of a black box, a complete mystery. Hopefully someone has or will get some access.

ps that chant is great, if a bit clunky

[Detroit_TFC]

Anybody got a recent definitive piece to read about Atlanta?

Every single thing they have done is impressive

Agreed. The only mild rap I've heard against them is that their preseason may not have challenged the squad as much as probably should have. But I feel that's true for a lot of teams.

[OgtheDim]

I actually think Atlanta is underestimating MLS a bit

In this Guardian interview,

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/mar/01/tata-martino-atlanta-united-mls-soccer

Martino said


n Atlanta, he’ll be true to himself. Martino, ever the student of his own tactical philosophies, doesn’t believe he should change anything just because he is in an unfamiliar league. “I think when a new manager who has a specific way of playing comes to any league, he doesn’t think about adapting but rather looks for ways to slowly implement his style so it can be developed for years to come. That’s what I’m trying to do here in Major League Soccer.”

Travel and turf and salary cap be damned, they are going to play that high South American press. I admire that in some ways but in others this reminds me of NYCFC and their playing it out the back.

Also, lets just say a few Argentinians don't think of him as a genius.

[ensco]

^The Tata piece, combined with that DP strategy, make them the team I am most interesting in seeing up close. It's kind of like a better attempt at what Mo did in 2007, except based around Conmebol, not England.

[Section_105]

Can anyone with better eyes than me clarify what each of these honours is for?
Left side Iconic Moments - Eastern Conf Champions, first goal, Metro-Croatia wins soccer bowl in 70's.....yes really. then on the right all the players that made the All Star game or the league 11.

Anyone else notice they got Ronnie O'Brien's number wrong? He was number 5, Mr. Andy Welsh was 7. good times.

[Oldtimer]

Pirlo says MLS needs to abolish it's salary "cap" to compete with China. I can't see that happening anytime soon, but here's his comments:

http://www.thescore.com/news/1254629


(http://www.thescore.com/news/1254629)

[Areathrasher]

Not sure where to put this but looks like they've hired the Sean/Devang replacement

https://twitter.com/Eric_Giacometti/status/842033101631037440

He used to work for the Red Bulls and I think he wrote for SBI (Ives site)

[OgtheDim]

FWIW

https://twitter.com/MnNiceFC/status/842443702261977089

Yes, most of Vancouver's followers are fake...but people who live in glass houses etc. etc.

[Oldtimer]

This is just horrible.


http://youtu.be/WrvLdkBeDmY

[UpTheReds]

My ears are bleeding. Thanks Oldtimer!

[Red CB Toronto]

This is just horrible.


http://youtu.be/WrvLdkBeDmY

Thats a thing of beauty. Before we know it will be sung at BMO at the second home game of the season.

[Blindside16]

This is just horrible.


http://youtu.be/WrvLdkBeDmY

I was having a bad day until I saw this. Thank you for that gem

[OgtheDim]

I must admit the best one I've seen so far is from Orlando


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3ynOgMuRq0

[Initial B]

FiveThirtyEight has added MLS to it's power rankings.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/soccer-predictions/mls/

Surprise, surprise, TFC is ranked first, followed by Seattle, NYRB, and Dallas. Atlanta is ranked 9th. Simulated seasons are recalced after every weekend of games, so it should be interesting to watch the team's fortunes go up or down based on statistics rather than pundits' gut-feelings.

[OgtheDim]

I really enjoy 538 but I have PTSD from them and last November.

[OgtheDim]

https://twitter.com/RealSaltLake/status/843949345649049600

Their highlight of the season was tying us.

[Detroit_TFC]

Major shitshow in SLC. Not saying that they should have kept Cassar, but they just gave him a one year deal. That's just dumb. Petke will probably get a new guy bump for a while.

[notthesun]

That's crazy fast, 3 games into the season.

[OgtheDim]

They havn't had a real identity since Kreis left and I'm not sure Petke knows how to create one either. I think one reason why they have gone with an interim is RSL play in Jersey this weekend. Petke back for his first game at that arena would be a complete farce.

[Areathrasher]

Bye bye Robin Fraser

[OgtheDim]

Somebody on twitter remarked that Robinson & Cassar started at the same time. Same amount of wins - Robinson has one more loss.

[Detroit_TFC]

Not Petke. Kyle Beckerman. Retiring and moving directly to mgr position. I guess they are hoping to strike gold from the squad again.

[OgtheDim]

Not Petke. Kyle Beckerman. Retiring and moving directly to mgr position. I guess they are hoping to strike gold from the squad again.

That would be a TFC circa 5 years ago move. Beckerman has no cerebral capability or desire to use his brain at all.

[Detroit_TFC]

That would be a TFC circa 5 years ago move. Beckerman has no cerebral capability or desire to use his brain at all.

He's definitely not a Jason Kreis. I thought at most RSL would make him an academy instructor when he retired.

[Yohan]

https://twitter.com/marcdweber/status/844041122758385664


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Hearing that Atiba to Caps summer move is looking less likely. Doesn't sound like #MLS (https://twitter.com/hashtag/MLS?src=hash) is willing to pay close to 100% of transfer fee #vwfc (https://twitter.com/hashtag/vwfc?src=hash)

[OgtheDim]

So the MLS' leading scorer went out injured from a Venezuela game tonight

https://twitter.com/TotalMLS/status/845084711898808320

We play Atlanta in 16 days.

[ag futbol]

So reportedly.... Abdul-Salaam from SKC is out there in terms of trade opportunities.

I don't think he would be entirely cheap but not terribly expensive either. With Delgado getting very little opportunity and TFC not having another natural right sided player with a huge motor available... I think this sort of move makes sense. Midfield is looking incredibly crowded on our roster right now...

[Initial B]

Why make it more crowded? Just make do with the players we have right now and give the depth players development time with either TFCI or II.

[ag futbol]

Why make it more crowded? Just make do with the players we have right now and give the depth players development time with either TFCI or II.
Assuming you mean less crowded? Delgado would be taken away from the area where we have the most cover (Central midfield) while Salaam would be added to the area where we have the least (right side of midfield). Yes we just signed a couple guys but they remain totally unproven.

The idea is we no longer have to look to Endoh or some other square peg in a round hole when beitashour is unavailable.

[notthesun]

Hamilton goal for the U23s vs. Qatar U23


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnQhE_7IMAo

[Ben - D.O.W.]

So the MLS' leading scorer went out injured from a Venezuela game tonight

https://twitter.com/TotalMLS/status/845084711898808320

We play Atlanta in 16 days.

Armen is saying on the Score (app) that it's looking like 4-6 weeks now which puts him out for our game.

[notthesun]

Injury bug making the rounds. Josef Martinez out 4-6 weeks for Atlanta, Lledget out 4-6 months for LA after surgery, and Paul Tenorio reporting Piatti is out "several weeks" with a groin injury.

[Detroit_TFC]

Remember that Beckerman talk just a few posts upthread? Good times. Now the word it's Petke for RSL. Maybe the Beckerman talk was a trial balloon or the owner got cold feet or Kyle said he wouldn't cut off those nasty dredds - we will never know.

[OgtheDim]

It was always going to be Petke - they only waited because RSL under Petke for his first game @ NYRB would have been a bad idea.

[OgtheDim]

Long Read by John Molinaro

Oral History of TFC

http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/big-read-oral-history-toronto-fc/

[Section_105]

Hamilton goal for the U23s vs. Qatar U23

Goal Video

He quieted down the whole stadium with that hit. great team goal there.

[Section_105]

Long Read by John Molinaro

Oral History of TFC

http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/big-read-oral-history-toronto-fc/

great read. I guess this is what John was looking for Trader Mo for.

[Detroit_TFC]

The Chicago Fire presser introducing Schweinsteiger has a very "Bloody Big Deal" feel to it. Did MLSE lend the double decker bus to them?

Lots of sports media with not so much familiarity with CF or MLS or soccer. I guess that is a PR win for CF but many cringey questions.

[Detroit_TFC]

The shirt lift! Mazel Tov!

[Soccer Mum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3btlhc24s4


That Seattle microphone guy from last year has been replaced.

I'll just leave this here...

[OgtheDim]

Its already been left here....at the top of this page on this thread.

[Soccer Mum]

Its already been left here....at the top of this page on this thread.

Different videos

[OgtheDim]

Ur right, sorry. I saw the picture and didn't realise there could be two awful chants from the same bad guy.

[OgtheDim]

In more whacky MLS news


Former player sues DCU over assault by other player that caused concussion


https://twitter.com/streffsoccer/status/847470828753084416

[Detroit_TFC]

Bob Williams of the Telegraph tracked down the assertive but under-informed AFP journo.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/03/30/journalist-asked-bastian-schweinsteiger-world-cup-question-sorry/

BTW Bob Williams is doing phenomenal work covering the game in North America. Worth a follow on the Twitter. Just my $0.02.

[OgtheDim]

https://twitter.com/DaxMcCarty11/status/847589208160129025

I would take Dax in a hearbeat.

[OgtheDim]

So in stupid Impact tricks today


Player does a tweet about Trump picturing himself holding a gun (apparently an air pistol).

Impact suspends him.

Hold on says the union, only the league can suspend a player as the contract is with MLS.


OOPPPPPSSSS


You'd think the Impact would have learned to measure before they draw a line.

[James17930]

So Didier Drogba now owns and plays for Phoenix.

That was an eye opener.

[notthesun]

Latest story from Molinaro says Morrow might be in line for a spot on the U.S. Gold Cup roster: http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/justin-morrow-tfc-toronto-fc-mls-major-league-soccer-us-national-team/


It might happen sooner than Morrow thinks. Two notable reporters who cover the U.S. national team told Sportsnet that they expect the TFC defender to be included in Arena’s roster for this summer’s CONCACAF Gold Cup.

[notthesun]

Good news on Moor:

https://twitter.com/joshuakloke/status/857622139469484032

[OgtheDim]

Very interesting points mae bySchweinsteiger in this article. http://www.espnfc.com/chicago-fire/story/3122435/bastian-schweinsteiger-difference-between-mls-and-europe-is-huge

In particular


The league is interesting because it's evident everyone can beat everyone. And sometimes things happen you just don't understand. This might be referee decisions or the running paths or passes of a teammate. It's different than in Europe, but you have to take things as they are." Schweinsteiger also said that while MLS is "very strong" physically there are other things still lacking in the U.S. top flight.
"Not everything is seen that happens on the pitch -- the teammate in a good position, where it might get dangerous, how a situation develops," Schweinsteiger said. "Too many balls are lost as well. But that's normal.
"If this were not the case, the people would not play in the United States but rather in the Bundesliga, Premier League or La Liga. Still, MLS has potential, a lot of potential."

[notthesun]

Thought Edwards was ineligible for Rookie of the Year due to playing in USL but it's actually even lamer than that:

https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/863032619717591040

Dumb.

[OgtheDim]

An article looking at MLS team identity based on spending.

http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/the91stminute/2017/05/how-each-mls-club-strives-and-struggles-to-find-authentic-identity/


Personally, I think that's only half the equation as many teams are developing an identifiable way they structure and play.

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And, on another note, if you had to guess who in MLS would have a tartarn registered in Scotland, would you guess.....a Houston Supporter Group. https://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/tartanDetails?ref=10105

[OgtheDim]

Oh look....TSN hosting Gold Cup & CCL

http://www.bellmedia.ca/pr/press/tsn-becomes-canadas-official-broadcaster-of-the-concacaf-gold-cup-and-scotiabank-concacaf-champions-league-with-multi-year-rights-agreement/

[Fort York Redcoat]

Oh look....TSN hosting Gold Cup & CCL

http://www.bellmedia.ca/pr/press/tsn-becomes-canadas-official-broadcaster-of-the-concacaf-gold-cup-and-scotiabank-concacaf-champions-league-with-multi-year-rights-agreement/

okay. As long as they still show the Vcup ;)

[Oldtimer]

An article looking at MLS team identity based on spending.

http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/the91stminute/2017/05/how-each-mls-club-strives-and-struggles-to-find-authentic-identity/


Personally, I think that's only half the equation as many teams are developing an identifiable way they structure and play.

********

And, on another note, if you had to guess who in MLS would have a tartarn registered in Scotland, would you guess.....a Houston Supporter Group. https://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/tartanDetails?ref=10105

Interesting quote:


GMs Tim Bezbatchenko and Garth Lagerwey are No. 1 and No. 2 in the league, the specific order depending on which city you’re in.

[Section_105]

An article looking at MLS team identity based on spending.

http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/the91stminute/2017/05/how-each-mls-club-strives-and-struggles-to-find-authentic-identity/


Personally, I think that's only half the equation as many teams are developing an identifiable way they structure and play.

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And, on another note, if you had to guess who in MLS would have a tartarn registered in Scotland, would you guess.....a Houston Supporter Group. https://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/tartanDetails?ref=10105

That is one of the most random things I've seen lately. good find. Though it's got me thinking we may need our own tartan. We do have Scottish roots through Mr. Mo..... (too soon)

[OgtheDim]

To be fair, Arielle Castillo who works with the league found that tartan thing and tweeted about it. Random as h*ck. 13/10.

[James17930]

Guess who's finally #1 in the MLS Power Rankings!

Us. It's us.

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2017/05/16/mls-power-rankings-week-11-did-toronto-fc-grab-top-spot

[Oldtimer]

Guess who's finally #1 in the MLS Power Rankings!

Us. It's us.

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2017/05/16/mls-power-rankings-week-11-did-toronto-fc-grab-top-spot

It's hard to get used to this, but it's nice!

[ou8jonesy]

Hope this is the right place to post this. A link to Jay Chapman on the YouTube show 2 Guys 1 Beer. https://youtu.be/owztH8nvSqs

[Section_105]

Hope this is the right place to post this. A link to Jay Chapman on the YouTube show 2 Guys 1 Beer. https://youtu.be/owztH8nvSqs

should the kid be drinking beer during the season? think he runs around more than enough to deal with it :) lol, and giving the boys a spelling lesson. pith.

[C.Ronaldo]

as jay gets better and more popular, can we expect to hear more of his underground rap his hated in the locker room for

[notthesun]

https://twitter.com/AnalysisEvolved/status/866722266205360128

Victor Vazquez also leading in key passes per game.

[Derko]

Isn't it funny the way we describe things. When the team you are supporting takes a penalty and the opposing keeper saves the penalty, it is considered a missed penalty, when the team you are supporting's keeper makes the save, it is considered a saved penalty, I mean I consider a missed penalty when the strike hits the bar, post are misses the net entirely. I just find it very amusing. Thoughts or comments?

[105]

Got this email yesterday


TFC MEMBERSHIP BENEFITWe have had overwhelming demand for 2017 TFC Memberships and as a result we have sold out for the year! We will be opening a waitlist for 2018 Memberships.

As a benefit of being a TFC Member, you are not required to purchase a waitlist deposit if you are interested in additional TFC Memberships in 2018. You will have first access to purchase additional 2018 TFC Memberships this Fall.

If you have any questions, please don’t hesitate to reach out to your Account Manager.

Toronto FC
//All For One



How many total SSH now?

[Oldtimer]

How many total SSH now?

Capped at 21,000.

More than BMO Field originally held.

[OgtheDim]

Dallas reno seeing new ticket structuring, including an on purpose attempt to get people to buy across from the TV cameras.


https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/soccer/soccer/2017/05/24/2018-fc-dallas-season-ticket-prices-construction-timeline-announced


$20 per game per seat for the majority of tickets

[sn0re]

Dallas reno seeing new ticket structuring, including an on purpose attempt to get people to buy across from the TV cameras.


https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/soccer/soccer/2017/05/24/2018-fc-dallas-season-ticket-prices-construction-timeline-announced


$20 per game per seat for the majority of tickets

Damn, those are great prices! Hopefully TFC can lower tickets prices once they are out of the red $$$ zone.

[Oldtimer]

Damn, those are great prices! Hopefully TFC can lower tickets prices once they are out of the red $$$ zone.

I'm willing to pay higher prices for a winning team. I remember "year 1 pricing," but I really don't want to go back there.

[C.Ronaldo]

Damn, those are great prices! Hopefully TFC can lower tickets prices once they are out of the red $$$ zone.

just move the cameras, no?

[sn0re]

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/869232192194588673

It's sad when we are in 1st place, the media doesn't seems to be excited or care about the team at all.. :facepalm:

[TFC1154ever]

Funny thing about this, I've been noticing a lot more people talking about TFC then usually. It's growing the interest, trust me.

[Oldtimer]

Revs abandon plans for a SSS. The Krafts really are the worst owners in MLS.

http://nesn.com/2017/04/revolution-abandon-plan-to-build-waterfront-soccer-stadium-at-umass-boston/

[OgtheDim]

And their players not that much better. This is pretty despicable.

https://twitter.com/SoccerInsider/status/869658749983698944

[StokeciTFC]

Interesting article from the Guardian, although disappointing that the 401 derby received no mention:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/may/29/is-it-possible-to-manufacture-a-football-rivalry-mls-has-tried-

[Derko]

Interesting article from the Guardian, although disappointing that the 401 derby received no mention:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/may/29/is-it-possible-to-manufacture-a-football-rivalry-mls-has-tried-

Nary a mention of TFC shellacking Columbus either, what do you expect from MLSSoccer, I am tired of the Cascadia, Cali Clasico bullshit

[Oldtimer]

And their players not that much better. This is pretty despicable.

https://twitter.com/SoccerInsider/status/869658749983698944

No love for Teal Bunbury on this board, or with the Voyageurs.

[OgtheDim]

Sooooooo as far as TV viewing in the US is concerned, MLS skews younger.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2017/06/05/Research-and-Ratings/Viewership-trends.aspx


And, in those 10 years, the viewership average age went up only 1 year.

[C.Ronaldo]

No love for Teal Bunbury on this board, or with the Voyageurs.

that was entertaining to watch

[MightyDM]

Revs abandon plans for a SSS. The Krafts really are the worst owners in MLS.

http://nesn.com/2017/04/revolution-abandon-plan-to-build-waterfront-soccer-stadium-at-umass-boston/

he supports trump. Has no respect for his promises, the facts or the truth, only power

[notthesun]

Gold Cup update:

Bradley, Altidore and Morrow on the provisional U.S. squad.

Osorio, Edwards, Ricketts on the provisional Canada squad. Would have liked to have seen Chapman get a look, note sure why he wasn't included.

[C.Ronaldo]

Gold Cup update:

Bradley, Altidore and Morrow on the provisional U.S. squad.

Osorio, Edwards, Ricketts on the provisional Canada squad. Would have liked to have seen Chapman get a look, note sure why he wasn't included.

ricketts is hurt though

[notthesun]

ricketts is hurt though

For the next 3-4 weeks. With that timeline he'd be recovering just as the Gold Cup begins. I think he'll still make the squad if it looks like he's recovering well and close to playing as the tournament approaches, Canada doesn't have another striker like him in the player pool (or on the provisional roster).

[fergiejr]

For the next 3-4 weeks. With that timeline he'd be recovering just as the Gold Cup begins. I think he'll still make the squad if it looks like he's recovering well and close to playing as the tournament approaches, Canada doesn't have another striker like him in the player pool (or on the provisional roster).

I could see him not going to the Gold Cup and making sure he's good to go for TFC. It's a possibility though, and really based on pure speculation. :-)

[OgtheDim]

This week is the annual "MLS teams play in the US Open Cup" week. A few MLS teams play each other but there is always something interesting going on league wise.

DCU beat a beer league team yesterday (but after going down a goal).

Columbus is in Cincy for a derby match. The Columbus fans are actually louder there then they are in Columbus.


All the games are streamed via the MLS website.

******

A strong US domestic soccer structure is important to MLS and to Canada. A strong Canadian domestic soccer structure may take 20 years to get to the point where the US is now but it will bring significant dividends to TFC in the long run.

[SoccMan2]

Over 30 000 in Cincinnati for this US Open Cup game versus Columbus, not the first time Cincinnati has had large crowds, if this game was in Columbus maybe 3000 at the most lol.

[SoccMan2]

Lol Columbus eliminated from US Open Cup loosing to their USL State cousins 1 -0 to Cincinnati in front of 30000 in Cincinnati.

[molenshtain]

Lol Columbus eliminated from US Open Cup loosing to their USL State cousins 1 -0 to Cincinnati in front of 30000 in Cincinnati.

playing for Cincinnati - as a wingback as far as I can tell - is TFC legend and One Of The Greatest Finishers In The History Of The Modern Game: Andrew Weideman.

Glad to see he found his feet at a prime spot like Cincinnati. provided many of the few bright spots we had in the Mariner era. seemed like a Pretty pleasant guy on and off the pitch too.

[OgtheDim]

Cincy may have had 30K, but they were awfully quiet fans. They do a lot of give aways.

[SoccMan2]

Cincy may have had 30K, but they were awfully quiet fans. They do a lot of give aways.
There is genuine interest in Cincinnati, how many give aways can there possibly be? They are getting over 20 000 to a lot of their regular season USL games too, while Columbus draws flies .

[anto7]

So I read an article yesterday where Bruce Arena stated that very few of his main starters will play in the Gold Cup, I was surprised to hear this. I guess he wants to use the games to experiment with players before the next round of WC qualifiers. However he did mention a couple of names who he said he may use and unfortunately one of them was Jozy. It would be great if he didn't use him or Bradley at all so they get some much needed rest and recovery.

[molenshtain]

Mexico will be sending their B team as well presumably, being that their in the Confederations cup at the same time. Makes sense to go with a more experimental squad.

Could mean Morrow is gone for a month though. Sounding like Arena wants an MLS heavy squad.

[Detroit_TFC]

Grant Wahl's interview with Arena quotes him saying that he might bring in JA at some point. I'd say that implies he won't be used in the group stage.

Bradley not mentioned although BA does say that "almost none" of the players from the "best possible" USA side would be involved.

https://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2017/06/14/usa-gold-cup-roster-christian-pulisic-bruce-arena

[TheGoodson]

Reports all over the internet Cyle Larin was arrested for DUI last night. Reports are that he was driving on the wrong side of the road...

[Fort York Redcoat]

http://www.clickorlando.com/sports/soccer/orlando-city-sc/orlando-city-star-cyle-larin-arrested-for-dui

Larin arrested on DUI last night.

[Ben - D.O.W.]

http://www.clickorlando.com/sports/soccer/orlando-city-sc/orlando-city-star-cyle-larin-arrested-for-dui

Larin arrested on DUI last night.

Jeezus - a .179? That's pretty rough. I wonder if the league will take any action re: suspensions and the like. As a CMNT fan pretty bummed that Larin isn't smarter than this.

[Areathrasher]

Jeezus - a .179? That's pretty rough. I wonder if the league will take any action re: suspensions and the like. As a CMNT fan pretty bummed that Larin isn't smarter than this.

Sapong got a DUI last year and was suspended while he went through the league's Substance Abuse and Behavioral Health Program. I suspect Larin will be the same.

Larin is a fucking idiot.

[OgtheDim]

Could have easily killed somebody, including himself.

Idiot. Suspend his ass.

[Derko]

Sapong got a DUI last year and was suspended while he went through the league's Substance Abuse and Behavioral Health Program. I suspect Larin will be the same.

Larin is a fucking idiot.

I just said the same thing to myself. I really don't like Larin anyway.

[molenshtain]

Dammit that's really shitty.

Really hope he learns from this and rebounds from it. I think this, coupled with his slumping form, unfortunately means he won't be making his big money jump to Europe this winter as was previously thought to be a given.

[Detroit_TFC]

TMZ has the video of the police chase and stop. It is very very very bad for Cyle.

[Richard]

He is going to get more than a slap on the wrist for driving on the wrong side. He might get the book at him.

[OgtheDim]

That video... if he plays in the Gold Cup, shows a drunk driver feels he can get away with it based on his standing within the team. Larin says he gets off because of the team he plays for.

In essence, they have to make an example of him because he asked for the line to be drawn around him due to his status.

[Initial B]

Oh man, that video could make him a pariah. It looks like the CPL has its first star.

And nary a peep from MLS.

<edit: Oh, now there is something that's buried under the banners about statements from MLS and Orlando City.>

[CBTFC]

He blew a .179 on the first test, and a .182 on the second. Both of those are over twice the legal limit.

I don't care how good of a soccer player he is, or how valuable he is the CMNT, etc.

I've just lost all respect for him. Drinking and driving is up there with Murder & Rape. It's not "mistake" or an "accident".

[Oldtimer]

Allegations of sexual assault at the Whitecaps Academy : http://globalnews.ca/news/3532802/whitecaps-youth-residency-sexual-assault-alleged/

[Fort York Redcoat]

That video... if he plays in the Gold Cup, shows a drunk driver feels he can get away with it based on his standing within the team. Larin says he gets off because of the team he plays for.

In essence, they have to make an example of him because he asked for the line to be drawn around him due to his status.

Damning. That was damning. Fuck.

[ag futbol]

That video... if he plays in the Gold Cup, shows a drunk driver feels he can get away with it based on his standing within the team. Larin says he gets off because of the team he plays for.

In essence, they have to make an example of him because he asked for the line to be drawn around him due to his status.
I guess he didn't see anything about Tiger Woods in the press recently. I'm sure the cops were almost puzzled by his assertions.

Think if anything this makes a change of scenery more likely but perhaps not to the places he'd want.

[Canary10]

Would it impact a transfer overseas? Not sure it does. Firmino was arrested for drink driving and didn't seem to effect him in any way. (Not that Larin is a Firmino.....just not sure if it really matters).

[fergiejr]

I just dug this up, so wanted to save others the trouble.

Statement:
https://www.orlandocitysc.com/post/2017/06/15/statement-orlando-city-sc-forward-cyle-larin

Link to Video:
http://www.tmz.com/2017/06/15/cyle-larin-dui-arrest-video/

Not good, not good at all.

[Derko]

What a complete idiot.

[OgtheDim]

Allegations of sexual assault at the Whitecaps Academy : http://globalnews.ca/news/3532802/whitecaps-youth-residency-sexual-assault-alleged/

The only good thing about that is its not being covered up and is being looked into and people have been charged. When people turn a blind eye, it becomes systemic, and the stories out of the UK about systemic abuse issues at teams have been horrifying.


I think I'm going to find a ball to kick around just so I can feel better about soccer right now.

[ag futbol]

Would it impact a transfer overseas? Not sure it does. Firmino was arrested for drink driving and didn't seem to effect him in any way. (Not that Larin is a Firmino.....just not sure if it really matters).
I don't think it would. However, it appears his relationship with OCSC is getting more complicated all the time...

[Richard]

Orlando should cut bait and sell however that might actually be impossible now considering how serious of a charge he is going to get.

[nonc]

I'm surprised MLS hasn't written about Ronaldo yet

[Auzzy]

The hits keep coming...

https://twitter.com/footysoldiers/status/875840331454926848

[CBTFC]

We must remind ourselves, that professional athletes make the same decisions we do...mostly for better, yet at times unfortunately for worse.

[Auzzy]

Holy crap, I just realized we have no home games scheduled, after next Tuesday June 27 VC game vs. Montreal, until July 22nd home vs. Colorado.

[notthesun]

FWIW, Matt Doyle predicts that Morrow will make the U.S. Gold Cup squad, with Bradley and Altidore only joining after the group stage.

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2017/06/19/armchair-analyst-predicting-usmnts-23-man-gold-cup-roster

[bigredone]

Why drag Wesley's name through the mud? :D

https://www.mountroyalsoccer.com/2017/6/20/15841590/galatasaray-star-wesley-sneijder-might-be-on-the-move-to-montreal (https://www.mountroyalsoccer.com/2017/6/20/15841590/galatasaray-star-wesley-sneijder-might-be-on-the-move-to-montreal)

[OgtheDim]

Silly season in Europe. Lots of old dudes will be linked with China or MLS.

[Richard]

Holy crap, I just realized we have no home games scheduled, after next Tuesday June 27 VC game vs. Montreal, until July 22nd home vs. Colorado.

The schedule makers took a giant dump on TFC this year.

[Captain]

The schedule makers took a giant dump on TFC this year.

This is because the team opted out of playing any games during the Gold Cup. I'm thrilled as I'm away on vacation for two weeks and won't be missing any games!

[C.Ronaldo]

He blew a .179 on the first test, and a .182 on the second. Both of those are over twice the legal limit.

I don't care how good of a soccer player he is, or how valuable he is the CMNT, etc.

I've just lost all respect for him. Drinking and driving is up there with Murder & Rape. It's not "mistake" or an "accident".

agreed, complete arrogant stupid idiotic thing to do. the attitude that he would get off really bothers me. hopefully that was a nervous reaction. didnt expect that out of the kid

[BakaGaijin]

Argo's GM, Jim Popp, was on the Fan 590 last night and said his son just signed with the TFC academy. Apparantly, he has been courted by all of the top Division 1 schools, however, decided he wants to play in MLS. The kid has dual citizenship.

[OgtheDim]

If he makes the team, is the sign still going up?


:)

[notthesun]

Armando Cooper selected for Panama's Gold Cup squad. Maybe he can use the tournament to get back into form for us.

[Initial B]

So how many players are we losing to the Gold Cup? I heard it was 7, the most in MLS.

[Blindside16]

So how many players are we losing to the Gold Cup? I heard it was 7, the most in MLS.

Well we know Bradley and Altidore. We may get Morrow back at the end of the group stage. Then there is also Ricketts, Edwards, Osorio, Cooper. Does anyone know if El Salvador is taking Zavs? We will find out in a couple weeks but it is 7 maybe 8.

[Graeme]

We might not lose Bradley until after the group stage, according to Matt Doyle. Still not pretty, though.

[Areathrasher]

Well we know Bradley and Altidore. We may get Morrow back at the end of the group stage. Then there is also Ricketts, Edwards, Osorio, Cooper. Does anyone know if El Salvador is taking Zavs? We will find out in a couple weeks but it is 7 maybe 8.

Zavs hasn't made his mind up if he's gonna declare for them. I think a decision on that wont come until WC 2022 qualifiers begin.

[General Woolfe]

Not sure this is the correct thread for this but I can't see any other relevant so here goes...

I just saw Team Canada has elected not to pick Kyle Larin for the Canadian squad for the upcoming Gold Cup on account of his DUI. I have to say I find this madness of the part of Soccer Canada. We are not exactly blessed with talent, however this current crop of players is as promising as we've had for years. To deprive us of our best goal scoring threat is tantamount to throwing away any chance we had of a decent performance at this tournament. We might as well not show up. Granted we would need big performances not only from Larin, but Davies, Edwards, Ricketts, Johnson to make a dent, but to eliminate our best goal scoring threat before a ball is kick just doesn't make sense to me. I know there will be some who think Larin needs to be punished for his actions, but sure that is the function of the law, which I'm sure will not be lienent if the young man is found guilty.

I was quite looking forward to seeing Canada do well in this tournament, but that hope has been destroyed by the high and mighty decision by the Canadian Soccer Federation.

[Yohan]

Not sure this is the correct thread for this but I can't see any other relevant so here goes...

I just saw Team Canada has elected not to pick Kyle Larin for the Canadian squad for the upcoming Gold Cup on account of his DUI. I have to say I find this madness of the part of Soccer Canada. We are not exactly blessed with talent, however this current crop of players is as promising as we've had for years. To deprive us of our best goal scoring threat is tantamount to throwing away any chance we had of a decent performance at this tournament. We might as well not show up. Granted we would need big performances not only from Larin, but Davies, Edwards, Ricketts, Johnson to make a dent, but to eliminate our best goal scoring threat before a ball is kick just doesn't make sense to me. I know there will be some who think Larin needs to be punished for his actions, but sure that is the function of the law, which I'm sure will not be lienent if the young man is found guilty.

I was quite looking forward to seeing Canada do well in this tournament, but that hope has been destroyed by the high and mighty decision by the Canadian Soccer Federation.
In my eyes, DUI is pretty much equivalent of getting drunk and firing a gun randomly. He could have killed someone with his stupidity.

He's on MLS substance abuse program during at least the group stage of Gold Cup anyways.

[TheGoodson]

Not sure this is the correct thread for this but I can't see any other relevant so here goes...

I just saw Team Canada has elected not to pick Kyle Larin for the Canadian squad for the upcoming Gold Cup on account of his DUI. I have to say I find this madness of the part of Soccer Canada. We are not exactly blessed with talent, however this current crop of players is as promising as we've had for years. To deprive us of our best goal scoring threat is tantamount to throwing away any chance we had of a decent performance at this tournament. We might as well not show up. Granted we would need big performances not only from Larin, but Davies, Edwards, Ricketts, Johnson to make a dent, but to eliminate our best goal scoring threat before a ball is kick just doesn't make sense to me. I know there will be some who think Larin needs to be punished for his actions, but sure that is the function of the law, which I'm sure will not be lienent if the young man is found guilty.

I was quite looking forward to seeing Canada do well in this tournament, but that hope has been destroyed by the high and mighty decision by the Canadian Soccer Federation.

Actions have conquences.... So what he doesn't play in this gold cup, he is young and there will be many more gold cups for him to play in. He has been suspend in the league he plays, the CSA for all of its faults are not that stupid. The thought of putting winning or at least the thought of winning over doing what is the right is not what I expect from my national team.

I'm not sure about most nations, but I know that the Italian national team have a code of conduct and IMO not an bad team to try and imulate. No player is above the team and the rules. Many a time players are not selected due to their actions on and off the pitch. I'm not suggesting the banning of Larin, he just needs to understand that it's an hounor to wear the colours not a right due to talent

[Auzzy]

Exactly. CSA would be seen as a complete Mickey-Mouse operation if they brought Larin back too early, especially while he is still banned by the league. Not the right message to send to youngsters (or anyone) who watches these games and these athletes.

[Initial B]

I was quite looking forward to seeing Canada do well in this tournament, but that hope has been destroyed by a drunkenly stupid decision by a young promising talent.
Fixed.

*NOBODY* should be above the law. This type of behaviour should not be rewarded. I don't care that it affects Canada's chances, but I'm sure that Cyle knows he could contribute and in a sense any failure they have is due to the consequences of his own actions.

[molenshtain]

Only Morrow taken to the gold cup.

We're gonna hit 70 points this season.

[BenRhodes23]

Only Morrow taken to the gold cup.

We're gonna hit 70 points this season.

I hear that Bradley and Altidore are only out for the first round and will be used later on. Morrow is important but Edwards will be a solid replacement. We got lucky here in my opinion.

[notthesun]

I hear that Bradley and Altidore are only out for the first round and will be used later on. Morrow is important but Edwards will be a solid replacement. We got lucky here in my opinion.

Well Edwards is probably going to make Canada's Gold Cup squad himself. So this is actually a chance for Morgan to get some starts while they're both gone.

[Derko]

Not sure this is the correct thread for this but I can't see any other relevant so here goes...

I just saw Team Canada has elected not to pick Kyle Larin for the Canadian squad for the upcoming Gold Cup on account of his DUI. I have to say I find this madness of the part of Soccer Canada. We are not exactly blessed with talent, however this current crop of players is as promising as we've had for years. To deprive us of our best goal scoring threat is tantamount to throwing away any chance we had of a decent performance at this tournament. We might as well not show up. Granted we would need big performances not only from Larin, but Davies, Edwards, Ricketts, Johnson to make a dent, but to eliminate our best goal scoring threat before a ball is kick just doesn't make sense to me. I know there will be some who think Larin needs to be punished for his actions, but sure that is the function of the law, which I'm sure will not be lienent if the young man is found guilty.

I was quite looking forward to seeing Canada do well in this tournament, but that hope has been destroyed by the high and mighty decision by the Canadian Soccer Federation.

I do respect someone having their opinions, but come on man, Larin basically felt he could in not as many words bribe his way out of a DUI with his stature as an Orlando Footballer. And he also said he was from Canada and didn't know he was driving in the wrong direction, kind of makes Canadians look like idiots.
So in my opinion yes he should be punished by the law and the decision by the CSF was the correct decision.

[OgtheDim]

Well Edwards is probably going to make Canada's Gold Cup squad himself. So this is actually a chance for Morgan to get some starts while they're both gone.

Which is why Morgan has been worked back into the squad.

*******

On the Cyle Larin thing:

He's from Brampton and Pickering. He did this within 24 hours of a CANMNT in Montreal. This could EASILY have happened here and killed any one of us or our friends or our family members. So, no I don't think its a good idea to let him out before he's gone through every last little bit of necessary education and rehabilitation. Sorry, but a Gold Cup result is not worth endangering all of us, thank you very much.

[OgtheDim]

Oh my gawd they finally fired Kinnear.

https://twitter.com/ArmenBedakian/status/879096143300354048

[ensco]

I would prefer that punishment for Larin flow from judicial decisions.

I saw the video, but I just think this trend of rushing to judgment is a bad trend for society

[molenshtain]

I would prefer that punishment for Larin flow from judicial decisions.

I saw the video, but I just think this trend of rushing to judgment is a bad trend for society

It's not really rushing to judgment if there's a video of the crime.

[Initial B]

Wow, neither Bradley or Altidore are on the US Gold Cup roster, but Morrow is. I guess Arena is using this tournament to blood some of the youngsters?

[molenshtain]

Wow, neither Bradley or Altidore are on the US Gold Cup roster, but Morrow is. I guess Arena is using this tournament to blood some of the youngsters?

only five players over 30 caps on the whole squad. very experimental lineup.

[OgtheDim]

Arena has already said he's calling in Altidore, Howard & Dempsey for the knock out games. There is a theory he might leave out Bradley but if there is any wobble at all between the midfield and the central defenders, Bradley will go.

*********

I imagine our team without the Canadian and the US guys will still be decent with a midfield of Morgan, Delgado, Cheyrou, Vasquez & Beitashour. Only issue is Spencer beside Giovinco.

[Derko]

Arena has already said he's calling in Altidore, Howard & Dempsey for the knock out games. There is a theory he might leave out Bradley but if there is any wobble at all between the midfield and the central defenders, Bradley will go.

*********

I imagine our team without the Canadian and the US guys will still be decent with a midfield of Morgan, Delgado, Cheyrou, Vasquez & Beitashour. Only issue is Spencer beside Giovinco.

Spencer seemed quite slow and a bit hesitant in the previous game, perhaps it was a bit of being star struck playing in front of the big crowd at BMO. I can see Seba becoming a tad frustrated.

[OgtheDim]

http://www.canadasoccer.com/canada-selects-dynamic-squad-for-2017-concacaf-gold-cup-p160970

As expected, Osorio, Ricketts and Edwards on the CANMNT Gold Cup squad.

So Hamilton stays.

[Section_105]

I would prefer that punishment for Larin flow from judicial decisions.

I saw the video, but I just think this trend of rushing to judgment is a bad trend for society

sorry to bring this back up but there is a definite need to handle the Larin incident within the football world as well as within the judicial system.

Sports insulates kids who are very good from learning about how to act in civil society. They many times feel well above law because they can get away with so much (I have personal friends from various sports that have gone through this. From hockey to tennis to football it is the case for the very best).

Larin could have killled people out there most definitely and the law will take it's course on that front.

He was supposed to be resting to be ready for an orlando game, not going out and partying til 2am. He has been shit lately (two sitters missed against us he should have hit). What if this is the tip of the iceberg and he really has a problem? Let's make sure he gets his shit straight and becomes a seasoned professional and not a couldabeen washout.

I respect the kids ability and want to see him become the very best striker we've ever produced. It would be a shame to have to quibble over would could have been.


and he's back in MLS now.
https://www.thestar.com/sports/soccer/2017/06/27/canadian-soccer-star-cyle-larin-cleared-to-return-to-major-league-after-dui-charge.html

[Section_105]

http://www.canadasoccer.com/canada-selects-dynamic-squad-for-2017-concacaf-gold-cup-p160970

As expected, Osorio, Ricketts and Edwards on the CANMNT Gold Cup squad.

So Hamilton stays.

good stuff. was hoping we'd get some relieve between knockout and round robin selections. If all our player's teams go deep it will be a dramatic test of our depth. Imagine if this was 5 years ago and we had no depth? might need a scout to come out of retirement or something....

[Yohan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW3CTKS4JDQ

[Yohan]

FC Cincinnati beats first team Chicago Fire on PKs. that was a fun game, even if the score was 0-0

[Blindside16]

Miami FC downs Atlanta on a last second strike by Poku. The Cincinnati game was unreal, especially considering how strong a line up Chicago fielded.

[reggie]

the weidman made a appearance for cinci and scored a goal that they didnt count on iffy offside call .

[OgtheDim]

The highlights of that Cincy Chicago didn't show much in 2 minutes but some of the saves were extraordinary. I still don't know about them as a viable town for MLS (they do a lot of freebies and have really cheap seats) but that was a loud crowd.

[Eleven]

Wiedeman humour 


https://twitter.com/awiedeman3/status/880294859885694976 (https://twitter.com/awiedeman3/status/880294859885694976)

[C.Ronaldo]

Wiedeman humour 


https://twitter.com/awiedeman3/status/880294859885694976 (https://twitter.com/awiedeman3/status/880294859885694976)

prolific

[MartinUtd]

Still trying to decide if Chicago getting eliminated in such fashion is good for TFC (lower morale) or bad for TFC (lighter schedule)

[GerMc]

Still trying to decide if Chicago getting eliminated in such fashion is good for TFC (lower morale) or bad for TFC (lighter schedule)

I was thinking the same thing last night. I am guessing on balance it is probably better for the Fire (so worse for us), for them to be out now. Apparently they did play a good line-up, leading you to believe they were not trying to lose. But I think that the knocks and rotation required with the extra games is a net disadvantage from a league perspective. Not every team has the same depth that we do!

[SoccMan2]

The highlights of that Cincy Chicago didn't show much in 2 minutes but some of the saves were extraordinary. I still don't know about them as a viable town for MLS (they do a lot of freebies and have really cheap seats) but that was a loud crowd.
I think Cincinnati has proved they will be a viable market for MLS, the crowds they have been getting for their USL games and their US Open Cup games regardless of what the tickets cost have been incredible, and really even if they lowered the prices in Columbus and had some freebies do you really think Columbus would pack them in in a smaller stadium than what Cincinnati is playing in? They had over 32000 last night in Cincinnati more than TFC had for a Cup final against TFC's biggest rival the Impact. I will be surprised if Cincinnati is not one of the new teams that joins the MLS in the next round of expansion.

[TheGoodson]

Sure they pack the house, but at what price point? If the ticket pricing are even remotely viable for an MLS then sure why not have them considered to be a viable candidate for expansion....

But if they have discounted the prices or papered some of the crowd ie giving away a lot of free tickets then I would reconsider what they could actually attend if the fans had to pay MLS prices

[C.Ronaldo]

Sure they pack the house, but at what price point? If the ticket pricing are even remotely viable for an MLS then sure why not have them considered to be a viable candidate for expansion....

But if they have discounted the prices or papered some of the crowd ie giving away a lot of free tickets then I would reconsider what they could actually attend if the fans had to pay MLS prices

you could give away every game in cbus or texas and you wouldnt get a crowd like that

[TheGoodson]

you could give away every game in cbus or texas and you wouldnt get a crowd like that


ok, sure. if you are trying to look for viable markets, giving away and heavily discounted tickets aren't going to help when you have a $100 million plus expansion fee plus all of the other associated cost is my point. Anyone can get numbers, my point being that if you are going to look just at the attendance numbers that makes it skewed and not true reflection of this being a viable market

[OgtheDim]

The stadium site suggestion is across the river in Kentucky - actually closer to the downtown in some ways (does Cincinnati have that many downtown hipsters?)

The current stadium is on the universtiy campus and there are rumours of really cheap student tickets.

The usual never trust renderings things apply of course:

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/soccer/fc-cincinnati/2017/06/12/fc-cincinnati-unveils-stadium-design/102795934/

[Yohan]

300k tv rating on ESPN for FC Cincy vs Fire game

[ensco]

They play a ton of soccer in the US midwest, and California.

The south is football/baseball country.

[Voodooman]

The stadium site suggestion is across the river in Kentucky - actually closer to the downtown in some ways (does Cincinnati have that many downtown hipsters?)

The current stadium is on the universtiy campus and there are rumours of really cheap student tickets.

The usual never trust renderings things apply of course:

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/soccer/fc-cincinnati/2017/06/12/fc-cincinnati-unveils-stadium-design/102795934/

Right now, I have a friend who lives in Cinci and says tickets are really cheap and the team does a great job with promotion.
With it being easy for people to go to a game for a small price why not?

[Detroit_TFC]

The primary hurdle for the Cinci ownership group is convincing MLS bigwigs that their relatively small media market won't be a liability. IMO it's all relative. Chicago is in a huge market but has virtually no penetration. Cinci's market is small but they got full front page coverage from the Cincinnati Enquirer about the USOC win.

[OgtheDim]

Retroactive suspensions - surprised nobody noticed this one on Seba.

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2017/06/30/mls-disciplinary-committee-suspends-fagundez-adams-lawrence-and-smith

[reggie]

thats nasty.wtf is the ref watching

[ronzilla]

He stomped on Seba's leg 2X. Should have been red.

[notthesun]

https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/881239351082012672

... seriously?

[OgtheDim]

Only other tweet I've seen on it was a rumour of a strain.

We'll probably not know the extent until Monday.

****

Edit:

But this sounds hopeful.

https://twitter.com/JeffreyCarlisle/status/881250900156788737

[General Woolfe]

I understand and respect folk wanting to take a moral line with Cyle Larin, but personally I think punishment should be a matter for the law. Given he has been cleared to play in MLS, I feel its a mistake for Team Canada not to do the same. Given the CSA have stated he may be called in for the knockout stage it makes no sense to me for us to deprive ourselves of his services in the early knockout round where his presence could make the difference between qualifying or not

[Fort York Redcoat]

I understand and respect folk wanting to take a moral line with Cyle Larin, but personally I think punishment should be a matter for the law. Given he has been cleared to play in MLS, I feel its a mistake for Team Canada not to do the same. Given the CSA have stated he may be called in for the knockout stage it makes no sense to me for us to deprive ourselves of his services in the early knockout round where his presence could make the difference between qualifying or not

This makes no sense to me. You just said two sides at the same time.

Punish him but the CSA should let him play the whole tourney?

It's not an easy situation balancing morality and support, I get that.

[General Woolfe]

This makes no sense to me. You just said two sides at the same time.

Punish him but the CSA should let him play the whole tourney?

It's not an easy situation balancing morality and support, I get that.
What I meant is it is the law's job to dish out punnishment. The CSA seem to me to have done a bit of a u-turn in saying he'll be considered for the knockout rounds. Doesnt make sense to me when he is pivotal to us getting that far

Not to mention the fact he is free to face us (TFC) in midweek (Maybe thats really whats eating me...)

[Fort York Redcoat]

What I meant is it is the law's job to dish out punnishment. The CSA seem to me to have done a bit of a u-turn in saying he'll be considered for the knockout rounds. Doesnt make sense to me when he is pivotal to us getting that far

Not to mention the fact he is free to face us (TFC) in midweek (Maybe thats really whats eating me...)

I agree it doesn't feel consistent but I'm glad it's not my decision.

[OgtheDim]

Doyle's take on each team so far this season. Don't agree with him on everything but worth a look at if you wonder how teams are doing.

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2017/07/06/armchair-analyst-contenders-hunt-all-22-mls-teams-tier-revisited

Another good thing to look at is the form guide

https://www.mlssoccer.com/results


Lots of streaky teams in this league.

[CBTFC]

The lone match in the FIFA Universe today is San Jose at home against LA in the US Open Cup Quarterfinals.

Being streamed on ussoccer.com i believe, at 10:30pm. Could make for some decent late night soccer to fall asleep to!

[Blindside16]

The lone match in the FIFA Universe today is San Jose at home against LA in the US Open Cup Quarterfinals.

Being streamed on ussoccer.com i believe, at 10:30pm. Could make for some decent late night soccer to fall asleep to!

Wando proves to be a Galaxy killer once again. I am really looking forward to the Cincy - Miami game. It should be a high quality game with a spot in the semis on the line.

[OgtheDim]

https://twitter.com/maddie_m_lee/status/885265720992452608

[Detroit_TFC]

Seems Morrow was one of the few USMNT players who did his job adequately vs Martinique. Not many helped their case, he might have, a bit.

[OgtheDim]

USL probably to Las Vegas next year. A rectangular 10K seat Baseball stadium where the ball team is leaving. Nearish downtown.

http://www.vegasprosoccer.com/

[reggie]

yikes..40 plus temps in a open style stadium...no thx.

[Initial B]

They'll obviously play after dark, but having been there last summer, it was still 33C at 9pm...

[C.Ronaldo]

They'll obviously play after dark, but having been there last summer, it was still 33C at 9pm...

still crazy hot a 9pm

would be cool to be known as the team that plays at 10pm though

[OgtheDim]

There's been some talk that MLS has become a "when I get home from boozing on a summer weekend and want to watch a match" sort of thing for some in England. Same might go for this for soccer nuts in the US. Late night game after everybody else is finished.

I saw an infographic last week that indicated there were only 3 days so far this year with no live soccer games somewhere on US TV. The appetite for this sport down there is voracious.

[leafsman]

was in Vegas a few weeks ago and even around midnight it was close to like 35

[fergiejr]

still crazy hot a 9pm


But it's a dry heat. :facepalm:

It might be cool to catch a TFCII game down there - my vote would be April or October though. I was there in April one year and it was comfortable until the sun went down - then it cooled off dramatically.

[OgtheDim]

Well they are certainly trying to create a Southern rivalry


https://twitter.com/GAFollowers/status/887475223238463488

[Auzzy]

I hope none of our players get injured playing for the US tonight. This US - El Salvador game is pretty nasty. US also got jobbed on a false offside call earlier.

[fergiejr]

2-0 for the US. El Salvador being El Salvador - diving and making things look worse than they are. Going into halftime shortly.

[fergiejr]

Beautiful service from our Fearless Leader on the first US goal.

[Auzzy]

2-0 for the US. El Salvador being El Salvador - diving and making things look worse than they are. Going into halftime shortly.

Amazing, El Salvador defender pinches & bites Altidore. Amazing control by Jozy not to beat the fricken crap out the player.. That play was hard for the officials to see, but otherwise Drew Fisher has been incredibly bad as the ref.

[pdubs]

Jozy got nipple pinched and got bit by #4 Henry Romero. Like da fuck. Surprised Jozy didn't annihilate the little shit.

[BenRhodes23]

Jozy got nipple pinched and got bit by #4 Henry Romero. Like da fuck. Surprised Jozy didn't annihilate the little shit.

I was hoping he would so he could come back to Toronto! Should've been a red card.

[pdubs]

http://twitter.com/Kyle_Mahnke/status/887863030121472000

The twist. Dirty El Salvador player.

Bite is another video.

The bite:

http://twitter.com/CloudSports69/status/887864309203775488

[pdubs]

Concacaf better throw the book at this piece of shit.

[Auzzy]

Drew Fisher is a fucking wimp. Reaches for deserved yellow, realizes the El Salvador player already has a yellow, leaves the yellow in his pocket.

[notthesun]

Panama were eliminated today so we should have Cooper back soon, possibly in time for this weekend's game.

[ensco]

There is a problem with Canadian refs and how they call games involving TFC players. Bradley talked about this postgame in his first year.

[SirBobSaget]

Petrescu is by far the best canadian refs. Gantar and Fischer are so unpredictable. Not sure why Petrescu wasnt sent. On the sidelines, I can't recall Fletcher ever getting a call wrong.

[fergiejr]

Drew Fisher is a fucking wimp. Reaches for deserved yellow, realizes the El Salvador player already has a yellow, leaves the yellow in his pocket.

A yellow is a yellow, no matter if you have one or not. I think he thought no one saw, but apparently even the commentators noticed this. :-)

[OgtheDim]

VAR starts August 5th

First game with it for us is @ DCU that day.

First home game is August 12 vs. Portland


NY times article on it (paywall potential for some)

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/20/sports/soccer/mls-replay-video-assistant-referee-var.html?_r=0

[notthesun]

VAR starts August 5th

First game with it for us is @ DCU that day.

First home game is August 12 vs. Portland


NY times article on it (paywall potential for some)

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/20/sports/soccer/mls-replay-video-assistant-referee-var.html?_r=0

I suspect noticing that linesmen will be keeping their flags down for any borderline offside decisions they aren't sure about. If you incorrectly raise your flag for offside that stops the play dead, but if you incorrectly keep your flag down the play continues until the review, where in theory the correct call is made anyways.

[sn0re]

Great to see that they are implementing this. Does this mean we can see goal line technology some time in the future?

[Blindside16]

Great to see that they are implementing this. Does this mean we can see goal line technology some time in the future?

One can only hope. I think that the introduction of VAR may do away with goal line technology as the VAR crew will be able to contact the 4th official and head official in said circumstances. Either way you look at it, it is a long overdue improvement that is greatly needed. Especially with some of the MLS officials.

[OgtheDim]

One can only hope. I think that the introduction of VAR may do away with goal line technology as the VAR crew will be able to contact the 4th official and head official in said circumstances. Either way you look at it, it is a long overdue improvement that is greatly needed. Especially with some of the MLS officials.

Just to clarify the process

There is no "head office command centre" like is done in the NHL.

There is a 5th VAR official at every match, who is a PRO A/R or Ref trained to do VAR work. The Times article has indicated the skill set needed for a VAR is different from a ref and that they fully expect dedicated VAR's to develop over the next few years.

[fergiejr]

So the VAR decides that the play is worth another look. He tells the head ref that the play should be reviewed. Does the head ref have an option of not reviewing? He has the option of reviewing himself or just taking the VAR Ref's recommendation. I guess if he doesn't take that recommendation it is the same thing as refusing the review.

I guess we'll see how this works out.

[C.Ronaldo]

kei kamara with a good point for a change? snitches on bradley though lol

https://twitter.com/keikamara/status/888177080093028354 (http://
Yes @MLS fines only KEI KAMARA $1,250������. pic.twitter.com/HPNYcnc7Nd<br />&mdash; KEI KAMARA (@keikamara) July 20, 2017)

[mr k]

So the VAR decides that the play is worth another look. He tells the head ref that the play should be reviewed. Does the head ref have an option of not reviewing? He has the option of reviewing himself or just taking the VAR Ref's recommendation. I guess if he doesn't take that recommendation it is the same thing as refusing the review.

I guess we'll see how this works out.

We saw VAR at the recent Confed Cup and also men's u20 WC. As FIFA stated, it generally worked but there are changes are needed before it is used for next year's WC.

Some reviews took only 30 seconds while others took 3 minutes. The replays used by VAR were often not shown on TV immediately and sometimes were only shown in the 2nd half. Instead asking for a card, too many players were bugging the ref to look at VAR. The ref still can still make the wrong decision as was seen in the final when a Chilean player should have been red carded or not punished at all but instead was given a yellow for a elbow. VAR called a bit too many offsides on goals that were nitpicky.

[C.Ronaldo]

Var needs to be allotted

1 request to each team if wrong

[OgtheDim]

If you want to know how it works, spend an hour and a bit and watch the intro video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu_YJJXpqfA

As he says, there are certain situations that are all going to be reviewed. So no need to have challenges.

And anybody making the "box" signal asking for a review is supposed to be shown a yellow.

[OgtheDim]

SO...the US Pro/Rel twitter crowd is all up in arms due to a report leaked to the media that MLS was offered a $4 billion TV rights contract but turned it down because it demanded Pro/Rel.


The offer, if it really exists, comes during a contract time when MLS can't consider another offer.

Oh, and the offer came from the guy who owns the Miami NASL team.

Oh, and really, who knows if there is real money there but......


hey

PRO/REL!!!!!!!


Anways, Rollins has a pretty good takedown of the underpinning idea all starting with this tweet.

https://twitter.com/24thminute/status/889505121285046274

[Canary10]

^ There is no way this is a real offer for all the reasons you said above. I didn't realize this guy owns the Miami NASL team. Interesting.

[Detroit_TFC]

But it is significant in that it may the first time since the start of the league that P/R has been part of an actual business model challenge put to the MLS leadership (however remote), and not just more noise from the P/R nutbags.

I do agree that Silva is just lobbing some long balls here to see who takes interest, but still important IMO.

[OgtheDim]

This is not new

A business case was made last year by the guy who at the time was running the Indy NASL team, Peter Witt. His was thought through a bit more but Rollins has a pretty good response to that in his tweet storm.

And this isn't a business model challenge as much as a publicity stunt in the face of a possible MLS Miami team.

But...hey $4 BILLION!!!!!!

[Detroit_TFC]

Ok, I kinda forgot about Wilt's manifesto but IIRC that was directed more at creating an alternative pyramid than changing MLS. Point is taken though.

[Initial B]

It should also be noted that the same Miami guy also paid a consultant last year to put out a report about how Pro/Rel would be beneficial to soccer in America. He sees NASL as the backdoor into MLS if they can institute pro/rel. I wonder how many NASL owners are also hoping the same thing.

[Canary10]

Sounds like Dom Dwyer is on his way to Orlando. Interesting. They must think Larin is on his way to Europe after this season, or earlier maybe. KC must have something brewing to be willing to do that move.

[Yohan]

It should also be noted that the same Miami guy also paid a consultant last year to put out a report about how Pro/Rel would be beneficial to soccer in America. He sees NASL as the backdoor into MLS if they can institute pro/rel. I wonder how many NASL owners are also hoping the same thing.

Pro/rel is just a smoke screen and a PR stunt. It's about trying to get hold of SUM rights. That's where the money is.

[Yohan]

Sounds like Dom Dwyer is on his way to Orlando. Interesting. They must think Larin is on his way to Europe after this season, or earlier maybe. KC must have something brewing to be willing to do that move.
Up to 1.6 mil in allocation money of which 700k is in incentives (performance add ons?)

[Canary10]

Up to 1.6 mil in allocation money of which 700k is in incentives (performance add ons?)Is some GAM and some TAM? Or is it all GAM? Or all TAM?

[ensco]

I don't think deals like this are good for the league. It's like an NBA team trading 5 first round draft picks.

I wonder if Larin is potentially losing his ability to work in the US.

If so, Larin could be on the way to Montreal or Vancouver.

[Yohan]

Is some GAM and some TAM? Or is it all GAM? Or all TAM?

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2017/07/25/dom-dwyer-traded-orlando-city-sc-record-deal

[Canary10]

^ So some GAM and some TAM. Thanks.

[Canary10]

"I don't think deals like this are good for the league. It's like an NBA team trading 5 first round draft picks.I wonder if Larin is potentially losing his ability to work in the US.If so, Larin could be on the way to Montreal or Vancouver."

The reply with quote function doesn't seem to be working for me. I would think Orlando are anticipating Larin is off to Europe, no?

[Areathrasher]

Larin wont be sold till the offseason when Orlando can get 2/3 of the transfer fee as opposed to 1/2 now.

Orlando have been chasing Dywer for years.

Get Dwyer now.
Sell Larin in off-season
Extend Dwyer long term

If it doesn't play out like that, i'd be extremely surprised.

[Canary10]

^ Yeah, seems reasonable.