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Oldtimer
02-28-2017, 09:57 AM
Post your speculation/information/etc. here in this thread!

Confirmed (by traditional media or the club) signings get a separate single thread in the "News" section. All other "inside" and other information goes here.

molenshtain
02-28-2017, 12:49 PM
Swedish newspaper says we had a transfer bid for Danish AM Mads Albaek turned down. I'm thinking this is the guy we were going were going after and dropped due to the transfer fee before moving on to Vasquez. Doesn't mean anything imminent, but interesting to see where we're putting our scouting resources.

Ben - D.O.W.
02-28-2017, 03:01 PM
Swedish newspaper says we had a transfer bid for Danish AM Mads Albaek turned down. I'm thinking this is the guy we were going were going after and dropped due to the transfer fee before moving on to Vasquez. Doesn't mean anything imminent, but interesting to see where we're putting our scouting resources.

Yeah I posted it as the last post before the off-season thread got closed. Apparently we made an offer of 3 million Swedish kronor (about $330,000) to IFK Goteborg which the club declined - so we were willing to pay something, I guess just not what they were looking for.

reggie
02-28-2017, 05:38 PM
tfc cut Simonin..

TFC/Everton
02-28-2017, 05:45 PM
Sad.

reggie
02-28-2017, 05:51 PM
yes it is..but when you are a intl and so far down the bench,it world be a waste of a intl spot,i wonder if they offered a tfc 2 contract and he said no?

Auzzy
02-28-2017, 06:47 PM
Is Simonin still an international? Seems like he's been around so long (first in the US since 2012, then here) that he could be on a Green Card or Cdn permanent resident by now.

Among other issues, injuries suck. They tried to nurse him back more than once. Wasted couple of years for him.

OgtheDim
02-28-2017, 08:27 PM
Ugh...I was sooo hoping. Guy can pass really well. He was unexcpectedly plucked off the grass mower at the grad school he was going to so maybe he can go back.

notthesun
02-28-2017, 08:49 PM
So, are we signing Brunell then?

Areathrasher
02-28-2017, 09:13 PM
Didn't see that coming tbh

Red CB Toronto
02-28-2017, 09:48 PM
So, are we signing Brunell then?

I would think the rest of the roster will be filled up with signings of draft picks, those on trial and home grown. One draft pick, the midfielder Oyvind Alseth seems to have made a case for a contract as a depth signing. Outside of him have not heard much about the other draftpicks beyond Aubrey.

ensco
02-28-2017, 09:49 PM
So the Chinese window closed. Interesting to google search "China transfer". A ton of guys, ~20 guys from the top 4 Euro leagues alone, were supposedly in play. But not one of them moved.

There is a fair bit of confusion about whether the new restrictions on foreign transfers are real, but based on today's non-action, seems like they might be.

Detroit_TFC
02-28-2017, 10:22 PM
Very surprising news about Simonin, so close to the beginning of the season. Hope he can find something in USL or NASL.

OgtheDim
03-01-2017, 07:32 AM
Apparently today is roster day for MLS - so if there are to be additional signings to the big squad, they will be today.

Skinn
03-01-2017, 08:31 AM
Teams just have have to be compliant with roster rules by today, by they can still make signings beyond today.


Apparently today is roster day for MLS - so if there are to be additional signings to the big squad, they will be today.

molenshtain
03-01-2017, 09:17 AM
Already? that came quick. I guess it'll be an interesting day for Atlanta then. They need to come up with 3-4 more international slots to get compliant or their non-covered internationals hit waivers.

I would want to laugh if that happened - being that Atlanta fans are really elbowing their way in to the conversation for MLS' most obnoxious fanbase - but I have some sort of blind feeling that happened to us at least once over the first five years. Feels like the type of incompetence that would have been straight up Mo's alley.

C.Ronaldo
03-01-2017, 09:58 AM
Very surprising news about Simonin, so close to the beginning of the season. Hope he can find something in USL or NASL.

I doubt we'll hear it, but I would like to know the reason

Skinn
03-01-2017, 12:09 PM
Happened to us 3 years ago--not with internationals, but with DPs, and meant us shipping off Laba.


Already? that came quick. I guess it'll be an interesting day for Atlanta then. They need to come up with 3-4 more international slots to get compliant or their non-covered internationals hit waivers.

I would want to laugh if that happened - being that Atlanta fans are really elbowing their way in to the conversation for MLS' most obnoxious fanbase - but I have some sort of blind feeling that happened to us at least once over the first five years. Feels like the type of incompetence that would have been straight up Mo's alley.

Areathrasher
03-01-2017, 12:13 PM
Atlanta are fine. They got green cards for Jones and McCann and are loaning a couple of the younger int's to Charleston.

PopePouri
03-01-2017, 06:31 PM
Looks like Edwards, Alseth, Brunell and Spencer will make up the final roster spots.

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/head-coach-says-injury-plagued-225623284.html

reggie
03-01-2017, 07:26 PM
where did you see Edwards on that list?
on a side note..whats with the tfc website,they have been brutal with the preseason coverage so far...

Red CB Toronto
03-01-2017, 08:26 PM
where did you see Edwards on that list?
on a side note..whats with the tfc website,they have been brutal with the preseason coverage so far...

I would say that the current state of content on the Reds website has to do with the departures of a few key people like Sean Keay. A lot of the content in situations like this lives and dies with the passion of those producing it. Sean for instances was a supporter long before he worked for MLSE. It's about people making the most of their opportunities and going beyond.

tictoc
03-02-2017, 07:53 AM
I would say that the current state of content on the Reds website has to do with the departures of a few key people like Sean Keay. A lot of the content in situations like this lives and dies with the passion of those producing it. Sean for instances was a supporter long before he worked for MLSE. It's about people making the most of their opportunities and going beyond.

And don't forget the departure of Devang Desai. He did a lot to keep the TFC site and social media platforms humming after Sean left.

C.Ronaldo
03-02-2017, 09:37 AM
I would say that the current state of content on the Reds website has to do with the departures of a few key people like Sean Keay. A lot of the content in situations like this lives and dies with the passion of those producing it. Sean for instances was a supporter long before he worked for MLSE. It's about people making the most of their opportunities and going beyond.

its noticeable, I dont even go to the TFC site anymore

pprzerac
03-02-2017, 11:06 AM
its noticeable, I dont even go to the TFC site anymore

Same here, MLSE needs to get on this. Good coverage and info will help continue to build the brand; especially since now many people strictly get all their information from the web

OgtheDim
03-02-2017, 05:20 PM
And

https://twitter.com/lauraarmy/status/837422956502470656

OgtheDim
03-02-2017, 05:35 PM
https://toronto-mp7static.mlsdigital.net/styles/image_landscape/s3/images/Raheem1T.jpg?gpcR0Fg9OTrSUiymMmJa8edW1lBz.HrY&itok=u-FycAt5&c=501acfc05d50fb115e81e3d4f4f8c9e3

I'm wondering if that's the SSH scarf?

notthesun
03-02-2017, 06:06 PM
Didn't see it mentioned anywhere in the press release... is he not a Homegrown Player?

Congrats to him, he's earned it. Hope he can work himself into the team.

Red CB Toronto
03-02-2017, 06:56 PM
Didn't see it mentioned anywhere in the press release... is he not a Homegrown Player?

Congrats to him, he's earned it. Hope he can work himself into the team.
He is a home grown player, guess they just did not think it was all that important to mention.

Captain
03-03-2017, 08:28 AM
https://toronto-mp7static.mlsdigital.net/styles/image_landscape/s3/images/Raheem1T.jpg?gpcR0Fg9OTrSUiymMmJa8edW1lBz.HrY&itok=u-FycAt5&c=501acfc05d50fb115e81e3d4f4f8c9e3

I'm wondering if that's the SSH scarf?

I hope this is the scarf. I like it!

Cas87
03-03-2017, 09:01 AM
https://toronto-mp7static.mlsdigital.net/styles/image_landscape/s3/images/Raheem1T.jpg?gpcR0Fg9OTrSUiymMmJa8edW1lBz.HrY&itok=u-FycAt5&c=501acfc05d50fb115e81e3d4f4f8c9e3

I'm wondering if that's the SSH scarf?


I hope this is the scarf. I like it!

It is one of the Adidas team issue ones for this year.

From Real Sports:
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1265/6377/products/701000023600.jpg?v=1487791481

Areathrasher
03-03-2017, 09:26 AM
He is a home grown player, guess they just did not think it was all that important to mention.

He's homegrown in the sense that he came up through L10 & TFC II but he doesn't appear to have been given a HG deal just a regular first team deal. Why? I don't know but i'd wager it's the same reason that Mo doesn't have the HG designation.

Shway
03-03-2017, 11:25 AM
Mo Babouli IS a homegrown player because he played with TFC (1 year I believe) before attending Sherridan College.
Raheem isn't because he attended Sherridan college prior to joining the Toronto FC system.


The roster list on the Toronto homepage doesn't make sense, considering JHam, Ashtone, and Chappers are all HGs, but aren't listed as one. (http://www.torontofc.ca/players)

Areathrasher
03-03-2017, 11:37 AM
According to the press release when he was signed and the MLS roseter page - he doesn't have HG designation



Toronto FC (https://www.mlssoccer.com/rosters/meta/club/toronto-fc)


ROSTERED PLAYERS (25 of 30 spots filled):


GK (2): Alex Bono (GA), Clint Irwin
DEF (8): Brandon Aubrey, Steven Beitashour, Nick Hagglund, Chris Mavinga (INT'L), Ashtone Morgan (HG), Drew Moor, Justin Morrow, Eriq Zavaleta
MID (8): Michael Bradley (DP), Sergio Camargo (HG), Jay Chapman (HG), Benoit Cheyrou (INT'L), Armando Cooper (INT'L), Marky Delgado (HG), Jonathan Osorio, Victor Vazquez (INT'L)
FWD (7): Jozy Altidore (DP), Molham Babouli, Raheem Edwards, Tsubasa Endoh (INT'L), Sebastian Giovinco (DP, INT'L), Jordan Hamilton (HG), Tosaint Ricketts
DESIGNATED PLAYERS (DP): 3
HOMEGROWN PLAYERS (HG): 5
INT'L ROSTER SPOTS FILLED (INT'L): 3
GENERATION ADIDAS PLAYERS (GA): 1
UNSIGNED DRAFT PICKS: Robert Moewes, Oyvind Alseth, Lars Eckenrode, Juan Pablo Saavedra



http://www.torontofc.ca/post/2016/03/05/toronto-fc-sign-molham-babouli

C.Ronaldo
03-03-2017, 11:53 AM
making the team despite not being a HG (meaning he is an int for american teams)

They have faith in this kid, I do to.

Red CB Toronto
03-03-2017, 11:54 AM
Here is the list of current players on actual homegrown contracts, neither Mo and Raheem are on one. I assume they simply did not meet the threshold on the amount of time they had in the academy.


http://www.mlssoccer.com/glossary/homegrown-player


According to the press release when he was signed and the MLS roseter page - he doesn't have HG designation



Toronto FC (https://www.mlssoccer.com/rosters/meta/club/toronto-fc)


ROSTERED PLAYERS (25 of 30 spots filled):


GK (2): Alex Bono (GA), Clint Irwin
DEF (8): Brandon Aubrey, Steven Beitashour, Nick Hagglund, Chris Mavinga (INT'L), Ashtone Morgan (HG), Drew Moor, Justin Morrow, Eriq Zavaleta
MID (8): Michael Bradley (DP), Sergio Camargo (HG), Jay Chapman (HG), Benoit Cheyrou (INT'L), Armando Cooper (INT'L), Marky Delgado (HG), Jonathan Osorio, Victor Vazquez (INT'L)
FWD (7): Jozy Altidore (DP), Molham Babouli, Raheem Edwards, Tsubasa Endoh (INT'L), Sebastian Giovinco (DP, INT'L), Jordan Hamilton (HG), Tosaint Ricketts
DESIGNATED PLAYERS (DP): 3
HOMEGROWN PLAYERS (HG): 5
INT'L ROSTER SPOTS FILLED (INT'L): 3
GENERATION ADIDAS PLAYERS (GA): 1
UNSIGNED DRAFT PICKS: Robert Moewes, Oyvind Alseth, Lars Eckenrode, Juan Pablo Saavedra


http://www.torontofc.ca/post/2016/03/05/toronto-fc-sign-molham-babouli

reggie
03-03-2017, 11:59 AM
Hamilton, Babouli, Mavinga, Camargo, Chapman, Morgan out this weekend, either through injury or selection. #TFCLive (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TFCLive?src=hash)

i wonder who is injured and who is on the outside looking in

Ultra & Proud
03-03-2017, 12:41 PM
Hamilton, Babouli, Mavinga, Camargo, Chapman, Morgan out this weekend, either through injury or selection. #TFCLive (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TFCLive?src=hash)

i wonder who is injured and who is on the outside looking in

Probably Hamilton, Babouli, Camargo, and Chapman sitting out. Morgan injured and Mavinga just back from France.

Cas87
03-03-2017, 12:48 PM
Hamilton, Babouli, Mavinga, Camargo, Chapman, Morgan out this weekend, either through injury or selection. #TFCLive (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TFCLive?src=hash)

i wonder who is injured and who is on the outside looking in


Probably Hamilton, Babouli, Camargo, and Chapman sitting out. Morgan injured and Mavinga just back from France.

Leaving us with:

Seba
Jozy
Bradley
Oso
Cooper
Morrow
Beita
Moor
Hagglund
Zavaleta
Irwin

Bono
Aubrey
Vazquez
Cheyrou
Delgado
Endoh
Rickets

Areathrasher
03-03-2017, 01:01 PM
Probably Hamilton, Babouli, Camargo, and Chapman sitting out. Morgan injured and Mavinga just back from France.

Mo and Camargo are injured.

Mo has been back in Toronto rehabbing while the rest of the team was down in Florida. Some Journo mentioned that Camargo was dealing with a knock before the Chicago game last weekend.

OgtheDim
03-03-2017, 02:00 PM
I suspect Spencer is going to sign when they need him. Endoh was nursing a contusion a week ago.

Is there a journo with the team that could ask who traveled? I know Laura Armstrong is there but Larson and Molinaro haven't done this trip.

Red CB Toronto
03-03-2017, 02:10 PM
I suspect Spencer is going to sign when they need him. Endoh was nursing a contusion a week ago.

Is there a journo with the team that could ask who traveled? I know Laura Armstrong is there but Larson and Molinaro haven't done this trip.

Kurt is there.

ag futbol
03-03-2017, 05:47 PM
Hamilton, Babouli, Mavinga, Camargo, Chapman, Morgan out this weekend, either through injury or selection. #TFCLive (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TFCLive?src=hash)

i wonder who is injured and who is on the outside looking in
Tough competition again this year. Forget starting, just making the subs bench is getting testy.

notthesun
03-07-2017, 12:25 PM
Full team rosters and player designations have been posted on the MLS website. Nice to see the league finally make this public.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/rosters/2017/toronto-fc

Detroit_TFC
03-07-2017, 12:55 PM
Full team rosters and player designations have been posted on the MLS website. Nice to see the league finally make this public.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/rosters/2017/toronto-fc

Holy cats, full disclosure. Nice to see what's open where and in which categories.

Areathrasher
03-07-2017, 01:55 PM
Well praise be...aint that something

Areathrasher
03-08-2017, 03:23 PM
More transparency!!!! They've released a list of players that TAM has been used on. Cooper and Vasquez for TFC

http://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2017/01/02/2017-targeted-allocation-money-players?utm_source=social_share&utm_medium=share_button&utm_campaign=social_share_button

notthesun
03-09-2017, 12:00 PM
https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/839877806096007168

Also with McCrary signing for TFCII, does that mean Oyvind Alseth gets a senior team deal as the backup RB?

OgtheDim
03-10-2017, 07:11 PM
Vanney video todays - he says Morgan & Baboulli only ones injured right now.

molenshtain
03-10-2017, 11:04 PM
So beita is cleared for tomorrow all of a sudden?

Ultra & Proud
03-11-2017, 07:52 AM
The wording was he was being watched for a possible concussion so probably it was just something else.

molenshtain
03-11-2017, 04:48 PM
closing in on first team deals for Brunell, Spencer and Alseth - Per Larson.

notthesun
03-11-2017, 04:54 PM
Alseth - a 3rd round pick getting an MLS deal out of preseason. Basically unheard of. Hopefully we uncovered a diamond in the rough here.

sn0re
03-16-2017, 10:42 AM
https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/842397635004780544

OgtheDim
03-16-2017, 10:49 AM
If Brunell can be a serviceable Nick Hagglund level sub who occasionally starts, that's good enough.

Canary10
03-16-2017, 10:50 AM
Does he play right back? I don't know anything about him.

fergiejr
03-16-2017, 11:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRta9biMeXs

Got 7min?

notthesun
03-16-2017, 11:43 AM
He's a left footed CB. He and Simonin were competing for this contract.

C.Ronaldo
03-16-2017, 12:29 PM
He's a left footed CB. He and Simonin were competing for this contract.

all his crosses are right footed in that video

gracos
03-16-2017, 12:30 PM
Who is Brunell??

notthesun
03-16-2017, 01:06 PM
all his crosses are right footed in that video

Huh, transfrmarket has it wrong then. Regardless, he did beat out Simonin for this roster spot.

Red I
03-16-2017, 01:29 PM
Honestly, Brunell could be possible competition for Zavaleta's spot... Dude has some good feet, good height, can spray the ball... i mean with those biased highlights, he kind of looks like a slight improvement

rydermike
03-16-2017, 06:51 PM
Huh, transfrmarket has it wrong then. Regardless, he did beat out Simonin for this roster spot.

Mavinga is a lefty,correct? That would seem to make sense sense, Mavinga for left and Brunnel for right

CBTFC
03-17-2017, 08:35 AM
All of this discussion is great, and means that we don't simply just have basic options at CB, but we have quality AND depth. Competition for spots.

Still feels bizarre for TFC...lol

rydermike
03-17-2017, 10:05 AM
All of this discussion is great, and means that we don't simply just have basic options at CB, but we have quality AND depth. Competition for spots.

Still feels bizarre for TFC...lol

Even just the consistency makes a huge difference. Guys like Hagglund and Zavaleta have been given the opportunity to grow and learn from their mistakes and such. Feels like before Vanney, it was one mistake and you were gone from the team with all the turnover. That's not how you grow players and develop chemistry. Those two guys still have lots to improve, but I feel if we were still in the pre Bez+Vanney era, those two guys wouldn't be on our roster right now and a few others

Jack
03-17-2017, 02:43 PM
It looks like he was playing in a three-man backline in that vid, too, so he would already be more adapted to our system.

molenshtain
03-21-2017, 09:13 AM
We've signed former 'Quakes and City B defender Jason Hernandez.

Depth signing for sure. still I was not expecting that at all.

Ultra & Proud
03-21-2017, 09:14 AM
Hmmmm.....Jason Hernandez. Acquiring a lot of depth at the back.

https://www.torontofc.ca/post/2017/03/21/toronto-fc-sign-jason-hernandez

Areathrasher
03-21-2017, 09:20 AM
Filling the Josh Williams void I guess...

Red CB Toronto
03-21-2017, 09:23 AM
Filling the Josh Williams void I guess...

Totally, some veteran cover. A veteran presence on the back line to step in from time to time as needed.

molenshtain
03-21-2017, 09:23 AM
So that's 7 CB's we've got now? makes sense I guess if they plan on having Aubrey and maybe Brunell getting a lot of minutes at TFC II.

reggie
03-21-2017, 09:31 AM
maybe RB back up?

Bobo
03-21-2017, 09:33 AM
CB/RB. Surely they think he can play RWB? Can't be any worse out there than Hagglund.

reggie
03-21-2017, 09:37 AM
CB/RB. Surely they think he can play RWB? Can't be any worse out there than Hagglund.
or Endoh

OgtheDim
03-21-2017, 11:15 AM
That moves tells me Bez is thinking Mavinga and Zavaleta as the main CB pairing for the next 7 years.


Hernandez played RB for the second half of NYCFC's season. He wasn't all that effective.

Joe Kool
03-21-2017, 11:28 AM
I don't get this signing. His resume is not that great. His option was declined by a team with terrible defense that we ripped apart in the playoffs. He is 33. Is he even decent enough to be on the bench? Was there absolutely no better option out there even among our TFC II young guns? I guess I will reserve judgement until I see him play for us but doesn't really impress me looking at the blurb on the TFC site.

notthesun
03-21-2017, 11:42 AM
https://twitter.com/Eric_Giacometti/status/844224875917201409

TFC1154ever
03-21-2017, 11:42 AM
He's your RB backup and a CB if needed. Like said above, he played RB for NYCFC the 2nd half of the year. As depth, it's a good signing. Better then Endoh.

Initial B
03-21-2017, 11:58 AM
Whether its a good or bad signing depends on how much he was signed for.

fergiejr
03-21-2017, 12:09 PM
Whether its a good or bad signing depends on whether he was on the field during our dismantling of NYCFC during the playoffs last year.

molenshtain
03-21-2017, 12:10 PM
he was on 200k last year. I'm assuming his deal with us is significantly lower.

Bobo
03-21-2017, 12:15 PM
He's your RB backup and a CB if needed. Like said above, he played RB for NYCFC the 2nd half of the year. As depth, it's a good signing. Better then Endoh.

Except this team isn't deploying a RB. Does this 33-year-old have the skill set and engine to adequately play RWB? I have no recollection, but it doesn't appear that way. Seems underwhelming, but I suppose it's best to reserve judgment.

Prepping for a Hagglund trade perhaps? If Mavinga locks down a spot and these depth guys prove they are capable, something will give.

C.Ronaldo
03-21-2017, 12:32 PM
why we stacking so many no namers?

why get rid of Josh for him? I thought Josh was perfect bench cb

notthesun
03-21-2017, 12:41 PM
My best guess here is the front office wants to limit the amount of shifting around in the roster as much as possible, they want guys to familiarize themselves with a position in the system and become comfortable there. Hagglund and Mavinga are competing for the LCB role, Zavaleta and Brunell are at RCB, Morrow and Morgan at LWB. This would be why they went with Endoh at RWB when Beitashour couldn't play instead of putting Delgado there, because they (correctly) see Delgado as a CM and don't want to mess with his development there, and the hope was that Endoh could carve out a permanent backup RWB spot for himself (though I think it's clear that's not going to happen and management may be forced to play Delgado there in the future if they don't sign someone else).

So I see Hernandez as Moor's backup. If Moor can't play, I suspect Vanney would rather swap Hernandez in at CB and leave his starting LCB and RCB alone, instead of moving either of those guys into the middle where they would be less comfortable in theory.

Red CB Toronto
03-21-2017, 12:56 PM
Whether its a good or bad signing depends on how much he was signed for.

The money is illerevent in this situation it's what he brings to the pitch. That's how it should be judged.

Red CB Toronto
03-21-2017, 01:09 PM
Got to love this pic of Jason taking on the Reds during the first season back in 2007.

https://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/sports/tfc/2017/03/21/toronto-fc-adds-veteran-defender-jason-hernandez/jmzqwpz2.jpg.size.custom.crop.899x650.jpg

OgtheDim
03-21-2017, 02:39 PM
Except this team isn't deploying a RB. Does this 33-year-old have the skill set and engine to adequately play RWB? I have no recollection, but it doesn't appear that way. Seems underwhelming, but I suppose it's best to reserve judgment.

...

Vanney interview indicates they do not see him as a RWB in our system or as a RB. He's a backup CD. Cheap one too. As others have said, Josh Williams role.

GerMc
03-21-2017, 02:54 PM
And with Josh Williams, keep in mind that Columbus took him in the Re-entry Draft, so we didn't really have a choice about keeping him, unless we wanted to trade back for him like we did with Irwin, which I don't think would have made much sense.

reggie
03-21-2017, 02:57 PM
notice the bell sponsership on the backdrop,never seen bell on that.i think JH is a upgrade on JW.https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7dotKKVYAAYjNr.jpg

jabbronies
03-21-2017, 03:53 PM
We've now got two complete backlines

Morrow -- Hagglund -- Moor -- Zavaleta -- Beitashour

Morgan -- Brunell -- Hernandez -- Aubrey -- Mavinga

Yohan
03-21-2017, 04:11 PM
Meh on Hernandez signing. At his age, he's Nick Garcia v2. Another guy for veteran leadership, but short (only 5'10"), lost a lot of mobility and has tendency to make reckless tackles. There's a reason why NYCFC sucked defensively last 2 yrs.

Jack
03-21-2017, 04:24 PM
We've now got two complete backlines

Morrow -- Hagglund -- Moor -- Zavaleta -- Beitashour

Morgan -- Brunell -- Hernandez -- Aubrey -- Mavinga

I don't think Mavinga could play RWB in our system. Isn't he left-footed?

Red I
03-21-2017, 04:38 PM
I don't think Mavinga could play RWB in our system. Isn't he left-footed? Left footed for sure.

OgtheDim
03-21-2017, 04:50 PM
Mavinga is left footed and will be the starting LCD but, yes, nice to have 10 back there.

Shway
03-21-2017, 05:56 PM
Meh on Hernandez signing. At his age, he's Nick Garcia v2. Another guy for veteran leadership, but short (only 5'10"), lost a lot of mobility and has tendency to make reckless tackles. There's a reason why NYCFC sucked defensively last 2 yrs.

Damn....for real Yohan? NICK GARCIA.....There can only be one Nick Garcia.

kodiakTFC
03-21-2017, 06:41 PM
Damn....for real Yohan? NICK GARCIA.....There can only be one Nick Garcia.

I will literally never forget the moment when Roberto Brown punched his face during the Voyageurs Cup game.

Richard
03-21-2017, 06:44 PM
I will literally never forget the moment when Roberto Brown punched his face during the Voyageurs Cup game.


Taking that punch for the team was probably the best thing he contributed for us.

Red CB Toronto
03-21-2017, 11:02 PM
Ready To Go !!! Welcome to Toronto Jason.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7duMfmXQAAgSkN.jpg:large

Areathrasher
03-22-2017, 09:15 AM
https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/844549879254962177

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7hywMIXgAEBuF4.jpg

Shway
03-22-2017, 09:20 AM
wtf.....I'm confused....can he play the RWB that we need a backup for?

Areathrasher
03-22-2017, 09:21 AM
wtf.....I'm confused....can he play the RWB that we need a backup for?

Yes, he can

Shway
03-22-2017, 09:33 AM
Yes, he can

Thanks.

Looks like TFC II should be very solid this year.

Red CB Toronto
03-22-2017, 09:38 AM
So from all I can tell the signing still hanging in the balance is Ben Spencer. From Kurt's previous reporting Johan Brunell, Oyvind and Ben were close to deal. Maybe they are still deciding on an MLS or USL one for him.

Areathrasher
03-22-2017, 10:04 AM
Good read from Laura Armstrong on Alseth

https://www.thestar.com/sports/tfc/2017/03/22/toronto-fc-signs-norwegian-defender-oyvind-alseth.html

jloome
03-22-2017, 11:54 AM
Meh on Hernandez signing. At his age, he's Nick Garcia v2. Another guy for veteran leadership, but short (only 5'10"), lost a lot of mobility and has tendency to make reckless tackles. There's a reason why NYCFC sucked defensively last 2 yrs.

You know I respect your footy opinion, but this isn't really accurate. According to NYFC fans he was their only good defender most of the time, and was let go because of the cap hit v age. He was still on a high salary from San Jose.

He's a good defender and has played wide as well. He's a good backup.

notthesun
03-22-2017, 12:00 PM
TFC II signed Jordan McCrary to be their starting RB/RWB. I'm sure Alseth is going to play with TFC II as well but I actually expect him to stay with the senior squad most of the time (in fact, he beat McCrary for this roster spot and contract).

3rd round pick getting an MLS deal straight out of the preseason following the draft, I'm legitimately curious about how many times this has happened before, if it's happened at all.

ensco
03-22-2017, 08:50 PM
How can we have 3 SJ defenders, but not Marvell Wynne?

molenshtain
03-22-2017, 08:59 PM
3rd round pick getting an MLS deal straight out of the preseason following the draft, I'm legitimately curious about how many times this has happened before, if it's happened at all.

Not unheard of. Happens once or twice every draft.

Ajax TFC
03-22-2017, 09:44 PM
TFC II signed Jordan McCrary to be their starting RB/RWB. I'm sure Alseth is going to play with TFC II as well but I actually expect him to stay with the senior squad most of the time (in fact, he beat McCrary for this roster spot and contract).

3rd round pick getting an MLS deal straight out of the preseason following the draft, I'm legitimately curious about how many times this has happened before, if it's happened at all.
2011, we drafted Plata and Matt Gold in the 3rd round and signed both early in the season/preseason

Red CB Toronto
03-22-2017, 09:54 PM
2011, we drafted Plata and Matt Gold in the 3rd round and signed both early in the season/preseason

Plata was different , he was already tied to the club through the loan deal the league made.

Yohan
03-22-2017, 10:24 PM
Some late round TFC draft picks ended up with MLS contract. Tyler Hemming, Taylor Morgan, Ashton Bennett, Joseph Nane off my head

Red CB Toronto
03-22-2017, 10:59 PM
Thank god for the roster the Reds have now compared to this 11 who took the pitch on April 2, 2011. Stefan Frei, Danleigh Borman, Nana Attakora, Adrian Cann, Ty Harden, Tony Tchani, Maicon Santos, Jacob Peterson, Javier Martina, Alan Gordon, Alen Stevanovic. Loved some of these guys, others not so much.

http://c7.alamy.com/comp/DK4EMX/apr-2-2011-toronto-ontario-canada-toronto-fc-starting-eleven-stefan-DK4EMX.jpg

notthesun
03-23-2017, 12:08 AM
I guess I moreso meant in the last few years now that academies are really starting to take off and teams have USL clubs or affiliates where they can stash late draft picks away for a while. Seeing a 3rd round pick get an MLS deal in so-called MLS 3.0 felt highly irregular to me, but I haven't actually looked into it.

mcolvy
03-23-2017, 12:19 AM
We still need a better starting RWB. Beit is too defensive. What about SKCs Abdul-Smalaa. I'd trade Delgado or Hagglund for him..

molenshtain
03-23-2017, 12:47 AM
We still need a better starting RWB. Beit is too defensive. What about SKCs Abdul-Smalaa. I'd trade Delgado or Hagglund for him..

Probably a good thing since Morrow basically plays as an out-and-out attacking winger on the other side. He's also capable of getting up and providing cable width when the occasion calls for it, like when he got up and put in an inch perfect cross on Cheyrou's goal last year. Being that we were far and away he best team in the league come playoff time I don't think there's much reason for going out and trying to improve on that starting 11.

If it ain't broke don't fix it. Just look what happened last time a team thought they could go out and easily get an improvement on Beitashour.

Ossington Mental Youth
03-23-2017, 07:37 AM
On top of the fact that who says KC wants to trade him out?

Yohan
03-23-2017, 10:27 AM
You know I respect your footy opinion, but this isn't really accurate. According to NYFC fans he was their only good defender most of the time, and was let go because of the cap hit v age. He was still on a high salary from San Jose.

He's a good defender and has played wide as well. He's a good backup.
Jeremy, you don't have to pussyfoot around me if you think I'm wrong lol.

Maybe Nick Garcia-ing him is a bit harsh. But there is a reason why Vieira chose to let Hernandez go. Part of it is that NYCFC plays everything out of the back and JH isn't good enough passer to fit that tactical philosophy. But IMHO the biggest part is that JH just can't keep up anymore. Hernandez is same age as Moor at 33, but he's considered not good enough to start for a team that leaked a ton of goals last season. SJ let him go and now so did NYCFC. (and I used to think JH was a decent MLS CB as well) 200k isn't that big of a cap hit for a veteran CB who can contribute.

So I think JH is declining really fast. And depth CB might be a decent fit for him. But I question just how much value he brings to TFC, considering there's a lot of CBs signed now, and JH isn't going to add that much. (esp considering his 5'10" height and never been known as an aerial presence)

Yohan
03-23-2017, 10:29 AM
On top of the fact that who says KC wants to trade him out?
Graham Zusi is right now playing RB for SKC. Wasting a DP spot on RB position sounds silly, but Abdul-Salaam has trade value, and SKC has other pressing needs esp a wide winger who can attack.

Fort York Redcoat
03-23-2017, 10:47 AM
Thank god for the roster the Reds have now compared to this 11 who took the pitch on April 2, 2011. Stefan Frei, Danleigh Borman, Nana Attakora, Adrian Cann, Ty Harden, Tony Tchani, Maicon Santos, Jacob Peterson, Javier Martina, Alan Gordon, Alen Stevanovic. Loved some of these guys, others not so much.

http://c7.alamy.com/comp/DK4EMX/apr-2-2011-toronto-ontario-canada-toronto-fc-starting-eleven-stefan-DK4EMX.jpg

No more seeing Jacobson when KC visit.

All about Pasher, now.

Canary10
03-23-2017, 12:15 PM
Is it weird that Jacob Petersen is the only one that looks like a complete effing idiot in that picture?

woolly
03-23-2017, 12:29 PM
Thank god for the roster the Reds have now compared to this 11 who took the pitch on April 2, 2011. Stefan Frei, Danleigh Borman, Nana Attakora, Adrian Cann, Ty Harden, Tony Tchani, Maicon Santos, Jacob Peterson, Javier Martina, Alan Gordon, Alen Stevanovic. Loved some of these guys, others not so much.

http://c7.alamy.com/comp/DK4EMX/apr-2-2011-toronto-ontario-canada-toronto-fc-starting-eleven-stefan-DK4EMX.jpg

God that brings back some bad memories...

Canary10
03-23-2017, 12:35 PM
^ It does, but somehow fond memories too. They were a bad bumbling team. But they were our bad bumbling team. Except for Jacob Petersen.

Red CB Toronto
03-23-2017, 03:08 PM
^ It does, but somehow fond memories too. They were a bad bumbling team. But they were our bad bumbling team. Except for Jacob Petersen.

Jacob will be coming back for the Reds second home game of the season vs. Atlanta. Wonder how he feels each time he comes back to the house the Reds built.

ryan
03-23-2017, 03:26 PM
Jacob will be coming back for the Reds second home game of the season vs. Atlanta. Wonder how he feels each time he comes back to the house the Reds built.


He fuckin hates Canada and nobody should give a rats ass for what he thinks.

Red CB Toronto
03-23-2017, 03:42 PM
He fuckin hates Canada and nobody should give a rats ass for what he thinks.

Well he is one of 187 men so far to have taken the pitch for TFC, thus he will be forever Red.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/HTAOASvV6eo/maxresdefault.jpg

jabbronies
03-23-2017, 03:53 PM
Jeremy, you don't have to pussyfoot around me if you think I'm wrong lol.

Maybe Nick Garcia-ing him is a bit harsh. But there is a reason why Vieira chose to let Hernandez go. Part of it is that NYCFC plays everything out of the back and JH isn't good enough passer to fit that tactical philosophy. But IMHO the biggest part is that JH just can't keep up anymore. Hernandez is same age as Moor at 33, but he's considered not good enough to start for a team that leaked a ton of goals last season. SJ let him go and now so did NYCFC. (and I used to think JH was a decent MLS CB as well) 200k isn't that big of a cap hit for a veteran CB who can contribute.

So I think JH is declining really fast. And depth CB might be a decent fit for him. But I question just how much value he brings to TFC, considering there's a lot of CBs signed now, and JH isn't going to add that much. (esp considering his 5'10" height and never been known as an aerial presence)

Play him in the NCC and against teams like Minnesota and he's done his job. He is just relief for Moor but more importantly, he's another veteran presence on the bench for the younger kids.

Moor leads on the pitch, so it makes sense to have another guy for the kids on the bench - someone to keep them focused - looking out for things from the bench etc

The problem will be if Moor gets injured and he has to come in on a FT basis. Although with "faster" kids around him, he won't need to do too much running.

OgtheDim
03-24-2017, 05:56 PM
How can we have 3 SJ defenders, but not Marvell Wynne?



Well....apparently..



https://twitter.com/RobStoneONFOX/status/845403120779706368

ensco
03-24-2017, 08:53 PM
^Wow. I really hope he is OK!

jloome
03-24-2017, 10:04 PM
Jeremy, you don't have to pussyfoot around me if you think I'm wrong lol.

Maybe Nick Garcia-ing him is a bit harsh. But there is a reason why Vieira chose to let Hernandez go. Part of it is that NYCFC plays everything out of the back and JH isn't good enough passer to fit that tactical philosophy. But IMHO the biggest part is that JH just can't keep up anymore. Hernandez is same age as Moor at 33, but he's considered not good enough to start for a team that leaked a ton of goals last season. SJ let him go and now so did NYCFC. (and I used to think JH was a decent MLS CB as well) 200k isn't that big of a cap hit for a veteran CB who can contribute.

So I think JH is declining really fast. And depth CB might be a decent fit for him. But I question just how much value he brings to TFC, considering there's a lot of CBs signed now, and JH isn't going to add that much. (esp considering his 5'10" height and never been known as an aerial presence)

Joys of being on the spectrum, dude, never sure when I'm being rude so as I age I'm getting more cautious.:D

OgtheDim
04-01-2017, 06:01 PM
Based on Vanney's discussion of who is the like for like replacement for Altidore, looking like Hamilton is dropping down the pecking order while Spencer is moving up. Who knows where Baboulli is now - in the CPL next season I suspect.

ouderwien
04-02-2017, 04:03 PM
Do we need to sign another GK now that Irwin is injured?

Red CB Toronto
04-02-2017, 04:25 PM
Do we need to sign another GK now that Irwin is injured?

Well something will have to be done. I assume at least in the short term Mark Pais will be brought up from the USL.

OgtheDim
04-02-2017, 06:30 PM
Irwin's injury is 4-5 weeks. He'll likely be back in for mid to late May.

fergiejr
04-04-2017, 11:42 AM
Mark Pais signs with the first team. Was our TFCII keeper. When Irwin comes back, I'm sure he'll be loaned back down.

http://www.torontofc.ca/post/2017/04/04/toronto-fc-sign-mark-pais

rydermike
04-04-2017, 05:25 PM
Mark Pais signs with the first team. Was our TFCII keeper. When Irwin comes back, I'm sure he'll be loaned back down.

http://www.torontofc.ca/post/2017/04/04/toronto-fc-sign-mark-pais

Took Quinlin Roberts' #40.The TFC third string goalie number apparently

Fort York Redcoat
04-05-2017, 07:36 AM
Took Quinlin Roberts' #40.The TFC third string goalie number apparently

Poor Q.

Shway
04-05-2017, 10:35 AM
Poor Q.

Yea poor Q for real....especially is you've seen how Angelo Cavalluzzo has played last year and last night.
5'10 and 150 pounds for a GK. He's no Nick Rimando....shit there can only be one.

reggie
04-05-2017, 11:40 AM
Yea poor Q for real....especially is you've seen how Angelo Cavalluzzo has played last year and last night.
5'10 and 150 pounds for a GK. He's no Nick Rimando....shit there can only be one.
i agree..i dont understand that move unless he wanted to leave.

molenshtain
04-05-2017, 11:49 AM
i agree..i dont understand that move unless he wanted to leave.

I think the point was that he had 2 years at the very least to prove he was capable of competing with Irwin/Bono. He evidently came up short. Doesn't do any good for him or the club to keep him on and have him beat a dead horse in the reserves for another couple years.

Red CB Toronto
04-05-2017, 03:36 PM
Possible future signing/on trial?


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notthesun
04-05-2017, 03:38 PM
Possible future signing/on trial?


DM on trial with TFC II. Been there a few weeks now, could still be signed.

Yohan
04-05-2017, 04:10 PM
Pereira was linked to TFC back in Feb

Shway
04-05-2017, 08:16 PM
i agree..i dont understand that move unless he wanted to leave.

Just found this....

"Manning said that Roberts was offered the TFC II spot, but chose to leave
around 35 minutes"
http://vocalminority.ca/episode-181-an-evening-with-bill-manning-part-two-170406-jasonstatham/

mistercorporate
04-05-2017, 10:34 PM
DM on trial with TFC II. Been there a few weeks now, could still be signed.

Makes sense, Cheyrou will likely retire and become an Academy coach in a year or so, young DM depth is always welcome, though I thought Delgado provided that.

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04-06-2017, 08:18 AM
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like this wonder how recent it is

sn0re
04-06-2017, 08:32 AM
like this wonder how recent it is

From a quick search on the internet, it looks like that he plays right wing

Fort York Redcoat
04-06-2017, 09:25 AM
Just found this....

"Manning said that Roberts was offered the TFC II spot, but chose to leave
around 35 minutes"
http://vocalminority.ca/episode-181-an-evening-with-bill-manning-part-two-170406-jasonstatham/

It's def time for a change in scenery. All the best to him wherever he lands. Hope he can climb back.

Areathrasher
04-06-2017, 09:30 AM
https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/849989373307355137

Bobo
04-06-2017, 09:30 AM
New rumors linking TFC with Marco Borriello. Don't see how this would work (probably just the obligatory rumor since he and Seba share D'Amico), but I've always liked Borriello, think he'd be a great short-term solution for an MLS team.

OgtheDim
04-06-2017, 09:34 AM
So back to the bank in Finland for Brunell

Canary10
04-06-2017, 09:34 AM
https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/849989373307355137

Wonder why they signed him.

Canary10
04-06-2017, 09:35 AM
So back to the bank in Finland for Brunell

I thought that was another guy?

Red CB Toronto
04-06-2017, 10:34 AM
I thought that was another guy?

No the banker was Alseth. Wonder if a USL TFC2 deal is in the cards for Brunell?

Stress
04-06-2017, 11:43 AM
Was he signed before or after Hernandez? Wonder if either the Hernandez or Pais signings forced them to rethink the signing and decide to cut ties early (for his sake) to keep a spot open for the mid season transfer window.

Milanista
04-06-2017, 12:39 PM
Boriello still scores tons of goals, he has over 10 this season i think.

No clue how he would fit for TFC but would be a good striker for a few years in mls

ag futbol
04-06-2017, 12:50 PM
Someone refersh my memory, was he a true first team signing or more geared towards the USL team? Something definitely seems odd.

Homesick maybe?

notthesun
04-06-2017, 01:04 PM
Someone refersh my memory, was he a true first team signing or more geared towards the USL team? Something definitely seems odd.

Homesick maybe?

He was on a semi-guaranteed deal according to Larson. Kind of in between the first and reserve team.

But he was signed before we got Hernandez. With Aubrey probably a fixture in the USL lineup for this season, Mavinga was our only backup CB that would regularly be with the first team. So Brunell was extra insurance there. After getting Hernandez, I think Brunell just wasn't worth the roster spot - two regular backup CBs is enough, and if we're really in a bind we can call Aubrey up.

Ossington Mental Youth
04-06-2017, 01:32 PM
Brunell wasnt even rated in Finland, dude i spoke to who knows his Finnish football didnt think he was the calibre to make it on our team, let alone the league.

Ossington Mental Youth
04-06-2017, 01:33 PM
From a quick search on the internet, it looks like that he plays right wing

transfermarkt has him as a DM,remember seeing that elsewhere too for both

KidA
04-06-2017, 03:45 PM
Here's the link for the latest rumor

Boriello move to MLS rumor (http://www.football-italia.net/100730/borriello-set-mls)

Jack
04-06-2017, 03:57 PM
Here's the link for the latest rumor

Boriello move to MLS rumor (http://www.football-italia.net/100730/borriello-set-mls)
34? Will he want DP money? Where would we even play him? I'd pass.

Cas87
04-06-2017, 05:52 PM
Here's the link for the latest rumor

Boriello move to MLS rumor (http://www.football-italia.net/100730/borriello-set-mls)


34? Will he want DP money? Where would we even play him? I'd pass.

Seems like this will end up being similar to the China rumours in the offseason where similarly represented players by one agent are linked to a particular league.

PopePouri
04-06-2017, 11:01 PM
Here comes the Spencer signing.

69Chevy396
04-07-2017, 07:27 AM
34? Will he want DP money? Where would we even play him? I'd pass.
Wonderful scoring threat, for a year or two. This may have something to do with MLSE facing real possibility of an early Giovinco departure. Same agent. Consolation signing.

Jack
04-07-2017, 08:45 AM
Wonderful scoring threat, for a year or two. This may have something to do with MLSE facing real possibility of an early Giovinco departure. Same agent. Consolation signing.

I don't see Giovinco leaving. He's 30 now and still a very good player, but where is he going to go to get the money he's getting here? China? They're clamping down on high-dollar signings of foreign stars. He's not good enough for a big-time club in Europe and he's still mostly anonymous in Toronto when he needs to be, which is a huge lifestyle benefit for him. He still seems to enjoy Toronto greatly as a city. If he can get past this little slump/injury/lull he's going through lately, he'll be back to being a top 3 player in this league. Why would he leave?

Areathrasher
04-07-2017, 09:15 AM
I don't know why you would give any credence to the Borriello rumor, this is like the 5th/6th time he's been linked. It'll be the same as it ever was, D'Amico drumming up interest for him to eventually sign for newly promoted Serie A team...

OgtheDim
04-14-2017, 09:54 AM
Well we are about to find out if our defence can organize itself without Moor and Irwin. :(

Detroit_TFC
04-14-2017, 10:41 AM
Absolutely brutal loss for Moor to be sidelined right now. Can't even speculate on what he is going through right now. I hope it is a positive prognosis, but TFC might have to find a top performing CB in the summer window.

molenshtain
04-14-2017, 11:32 AM
Absolutely brutal loss for Moor to be sidelined right now. Can't even speculate on what he is going through right now. I hope it is a positive prognosis, but TFC might have to find a top performing CB in the summer window.


Barring a Cheyrou and or Moor retirement, we'll likely have settle for what we can find inside the league. Not sure we have any cap space at all. Might have to deal a Cooper or a Ricketts to get some cap space.

James17930
04-14-2017, 06:46 PM
Absolutely brutal loss for Moor to be sidelined right now. Can't even speculate on what he is going through right now. I hope it is a positive prognosis, but TFC might have to find a top performing CB in the summer window.

Yeah, this is really tough.

Is this the same thing that happened to Dempsey? Because if so, he's back, so hopefully Moor would be able to come back too.

Does this mean Mavinga will be back in? And Zava will be the one calling the line?

Auzzy
04-14-2017, 08:43 PM
Awful news about Moor. Hopefully it turns out to not be too serious.

Maybe they should go to a 4-man backline: Morrow, Hagglund, Zavaleta, Beitashour. I think it would be good to have the veterans Morrow & Beitashour back there.

Otherwise I guess it's Hernandez or Mavinga, together with Hagglund & Zavaleta.

OgtheDim
04-14-2017, 08:56 PM
Davidson wrote a CP article indicating brain trust is thinking Morrow at LCB with Edwards at LWB. Hernandez & Mavinga have injuries.

Detroit_TFC
04-15-2017, 08:13 AM
Yeah, this is really tough.

Is this the same thing that happened to Dempsey? Because if so, he's back, so hopefully Moor would be able to come back too.

Does this mean Mavinga will be back in? And Zava will be the one calling the line?

Dempsey, Eddie Johnson, Marvell Wynne. Dempsey was able to come back, Johnson no. MW? Still too early to know.

James17930
04-15-2017, 08:48 AM
Davidson wrote a CP article indicating brain trust is thinking Morrow at LCB with Edwards at LWB. Hernandez & Mavinga have injuries.

I don't really like the sound of that. I think if there are that many injuries you just go a back 4:

Morrow----Zava---Hags----Beitashour

Morrow as a CB just seems too risky.

ensco
04-15-2017, 09:03 AM
I wonder about Bradley at CB. We have way more depth in MF (Delgdo or Chapman)

ag futbol
04-15-2017, 11:03 AM
I agree dropping to a back four or moving Bradley to the backline is sensical.

However, has Morrow done anything this season to suggest he'd be any worse as a CB than Hagglund? Not as far as I've seen.

Ajax TFC
04-15-2017, 01:25 PM
I would say that Morrow is too important offensively to put him at CB. Plus I don't think it's a given that he'd be better than Mavinga there

Areathrasher
04-19-2017, 01:35 PM
Per Grant Wahl


MLS owners meetings take place on Monday in Colorado, and one topic under discussion will be even more investment in players through Targeted Allocation Money. More than $42 million in TAM has been used in MLS in 2016 and ‘17 to improve the quality of players at the level just under the three Designated Players allowed per team.
Just this past December, MLS announced an $8.8 million increase in TAM over what had been previously earmarked for 2017. That added up to an increase of $400,000 per team to $1.2 million TAM apiece for the 2017 season.
A final decision on increased TAM can be expected at the end of the year. All TAM spending is beyond the amount agreed to by the owners in the 2015 collective bargaining agreement.

Voodooman
04-20-2017, 07:34 AM
Quillan Roberts signs with Woodbridge in League 1

https://twitter.com/WSCStrikers/status/854867523401117696

OgtheDim
04-20-2017, 09:20 AM
I'm glad he landed somewhere but the guy was offered the starting role for TFCII and ended up at League 1?!?!

OgtheDim
04-20-2017, 04:29 PM
In other news, Moor not back for a few weeks yet

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/855096461549334528

Ultra & Proud
04-20-2017, 07:01 PM
I saw this tweet and was left to wonder how Vanney has this timeline when Moor hasn't even been checked out by a cardiologist yet.

shwade
04-20-2017, 07:19 PM
I saw this tweet and was left to wonder how Vanney has this timeline when Moor hasn't even been checked out by a cardiologist yet.

Hahaha that's jokes. He don't need no cardiologist.

SoccMan2
04-20-2017, 08:16 PM
I would imagine his pro soccer aspirations are done by this signing, probably going back to school, the Woodbridge coach also coaches York University so most likely that is the road he is taking, probably did not have it in him to try and continue to try and make it as a pro any longer and decided to still play but not at a serious level anymore.

C.Ronaldo
04-20-2017, 10:10 PM
Roberts may be waiting for CPL

League 1 is hopefully temporary

He was number 1 back up not too long ago. Backup in mls is better than starting league 1

Areathrasher
04-21-2017, 08:00 AM
I saw this tweet and was left to wonder how Vanney has this timeline when Moor hasn't even been checked out by a cardiologist yet.

Me too. It'll be two and half weeks till they have a serious prognosis i'd wager.

Areathrasher
04-21-2017, 09:19 AM
https://twitter.com/NeilMDavidson/status/855421003979247617

Jpexxx
04-21-2017, 09:31 AM
Babuli would be a prime target for a CPL franchise

notthesun
04-21-2017, 11:26 AM
Yeah, as I said before he's pretty much the ideal CPL player.

I wish him well, he has talent but unfortunately just couldn't quite make a regular impact at this level.

JonO
04-21-2017, 11:43 AM
I saw this tweet and was left to wonder how Vanney has this timeline when Moor hasn't even been checked out by a cardiologist yet.
The joy of limited characters. I would presume that this is not the first visit to the cardiologist. Probably a follow up appointment for clearance purposes.

molenshtain
04-21-2017, 12:20 PM
Last year I said Mo babouli would be our Jamie Vardy.

I was clearly in a very dark place at the time.

Canary10
04-21-2017, 12:22 PM
Last year I said Mo babouli would be our Jamie Vardy.

I was clearly in a very dark place at the time.

Think Mo'll become a party rep in Ibiza now?

ag futbol
04-21-2017, 12:59 PM
I don't think his career is a complete write off but it will be an uphill battle to get back to MLS from here, for sure. Shame he wasn't able to make more of that string of games last year. It's a brutal business.

You can already see this year with Edwards how quickly he has caught on... that's the business sometimes - opportunities are fleeting.

Wish Mo well wherever he lands next.

Smokecell
04-21-2017, 02:37 PM
The problem with Mo was always going to be that he has great physical ability, but his skill level and technical ability did not and will probably never match. Mo was given many opportunities last year but could never lock his place in the 18. Flashes of promise here and there but ultimately you can't keep someone around for the 5 solid minutes you may get out of them per game. As ag said, that's the business. Canadian or not.

Richard
04-21-2017, 11:23 PM
I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop now with Ashton Morgan getting waived. We need missing signs posted because you wouldn't notice him the last 3 years that he is a TFC player.

SoccMan2
04-22-2017, 09:19 AM
I don't see Mo trying to make a go with it with either other MLS teams or USL or NASL or even in any other leagues in the world. This is a guy who had already given up on a soccer career and was playing college soccer for Sheridan College before TFC, probably might play League 1 Ontario and join the workforce like the rest of us.

mistercorporate
04-22-2017, 07:52 PM
When we saw Mo Babouli for the first time, we thought he had the potential to develop into the type of player Raheem Edwards already is. Unfortunately, Mo had some great tricks but didn't show much growth in his hunger and athleticism. Raheem if he stays focused and keeps getting stronger and faster, improving his shot-taking, can develop into a star in this league.

Ossington Mental Youth
04-23-2017, 12:32 AM
When we saw Mo Babouli for the first time, we thought he had the potential to develop into the type of player Raheem Edwards already is. Unfortunately, Mo had some great tricks but didn't show much growth in his hunger and athleticism. Raheem if he stays focused and keeps getting stronger and faster, improving his shot-taking, can develop into a star in this league.

Gotta say the first time I saw Raheem the Dream play I said he lacked defensively, the next two games he fixed that, my next comment was that he needs to take more shots, what did he do this game? Start shooting. I love that he can play fullback, I don't want that to stop. I'd also love to see him at striker or as a winger and I hope he's flexible enough to do them all

Oldtimer
04-23-2017, 09:07 AM
I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop now with Ashton Morgan getting waived. We need missing signs posted because you wouldn't notice him the last 3 years that he is a TFC player.

Morgan's been dealing with so many injuries. It's hard to know what he is capable of. I expect that Vanney will give him time to prove himself.

notthesun
04-26-2017, 11:16 PM
Was looking at the MLS rosters page for TFC to double check that Edwards wasn't a Homegrown Player (which I find kind of silly but whatever) and it looks like Brandon Aubrey was permanently loaned to USL for the season (he's listed under Unavailable Players: Loaned to USL). Not terribly surprised by that.

https://www.mlssoccer.com/rosters/2017/toronto-fc

CBTFC
04-27-2017, 07:55 AM
Looks and sounds like Manneh is unsettled so far in Columbus...hmmmm.

Ossington Mental Youth
04-27-2017, 11:50 AM
Looks and sounds like Manneh is unsettled so far in Columbus...hmmmm.

Where would he play here? I can't see that happening at all

ag futbol
04-27-2017, 12:18 PM
^ I think that's a useful piece potentially. Outright speed to stretch the field on the right side.

That said, if we were to change things there are probably more pressing needs.

mistercorporate
04-27-2017, 01:18 PM
The only areas I see us weak is with backup centre-back (when Drew Moor is injured) and starting box-to-box midfielder (Cooper-Osorio).

Ossington Mental Youth
04-27-2017, 03:22 PM
The only areas I see us weak is with backup centre-back (when Drew Moor is injured) and starting box-to-box midfielder (Cooper-Osorio).

pretty much, offence is far feom hurting

OgtheDim
04-27-2017, 06:08 PM
Well this is good news

https://twitter.com/drewmoor/status/857722291383394305

Gringo Starr
04-27-2017, 06:59 PM
Great news, I wonder if he gets minutes tomorrow

Blindside16
04-28-2017, 03:10 AM
Great news, I wonder if he gets minutes tomorrow

I would be shocked if he did. I would think he would probably see minutes on Wednesday vs Orlando. With how Larin is playing we could really use Moor back in that one.

Voodooman
04-28-2017, 07:55 AM
I would imagine his pro soccer aspirations are done by this signing, probably going back to school, the Woodbridge coach also coaches York University so most likely that is the road he is taking, probably did not have it in him to try and continue to try and make it as a pro any longer and decided to still play but not at a serious level anymore.

Late response but isn't it the Vaughan coach who coaches York University? Or do they both coach the team together?


Speaking of Vaughan, I noticed that Chris Mannella is on the roster for them this season

notthesun
05-02-2017, 02:48 PM
TFC have signed Ben Spencer as a Homegrown Player.

https://twitter.com/TorontoFCMR/status/859490185138098176

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/859490321390067713

Greatest Ripoff
05-02-2017, 03:14 PM
How can you aquire the rights to be a home grown player? Either you were from your own academy or you weren't. Seems like MLS making up more rules as they go along.

Shway
05-02-2017, 05:53 PM
This is complete utter bullshit.
Never been mad about a signing before this one.

He's done shit with TFCII, but gets a contract?

OgtheDim
05-02-2017, 06:39 PM
I suspect he's signed now because he's going to be on the bench out in Seattle. We might see him and Hamilton in the Voyageurs in Edmonton or Ottawa. We'll get a good look at this project sometime in May.

They were not going to bring up any other TFCII forward.

Auzzy
05-02-2017, 07:09 PM
Other guys probably know way more than me, but I did see Spencer play for TFC II (one full game, plus some highlights), and I thought he looked pretty good.

Areathrasher
05-02-2017, 08:08 PM
I get why people would be pissed off at this signing.

However Vanney got it right with Zaveleta and Delgado so i'm willing to give Spencer a shot.

Richard
05-02-2017, 08:12 PM
I get why people would be pissed off at this signing.

However Vanney got it right with Zaveleta and Delgado so i'm willing to give Spencer a shot.

This. If you don't give guys shots you never know what they are.

Gazza_55
05-02-2017, 09:22 PM
How can you aquire the rights to be a home grown player? Either you were from your own academy or you weren't. Seems like MLS making up more rules as they go along.

Some of the owners with Academies and USL clubs went to the BOG in 2015 and asked them if there were ways to make their own players more valuable within MLS. This was the result. Has been in affect since 2016.

ScarboroughRed
05-03-2017, 08:38 AM
How does the Spencer signing affect Hamilton?

Really like Hamilton's game and would have hoped he can slowly raise his game to MLS starter level
(slight bias cause he went to my high school and my dad coached him lol)

Oldtimer
05-03-2017, 09:02 AM
I get why people would be pissed off at this signing.

However Vanney got it right with Zaveleta and Delgado so i'm willing to give Spencer a shot.

Plus he fills an obvious hole. Our team is now configured to have a big hold up forward to play off of. If Jozy is away we can't play our game nearly as well. If Spencer played a different role he probably would not have been signed at this point in time.

Section_105
05-03-2017, 09:29 AM
How does the Spencer signing affect Hamilton?

Really like Hamilton's game and would have hoped he can slowly raise his game to MLS starter level
(slight bias cause he went to my high school and my dad coached him lol)

I think that it's more about how this signing has already affected Babouli. He was probably dropped to make way for this.

Really hope Hamilton gets the minutes to keep progressing, looks like he has so much upside.

Auzzy
05-03-2017, 11:36 AM
I guess they're watching the guys in training and TFC II games all the time. Hamilton certainly looked good at times with the TFC first team, and I would love for him to do well and find a secure first-team position. But other times things seemed off with him. Hamilton looked to be missing a consistent hunger that you would expect from a player at his age & in his situation, trying to find his place. If somebody like Danny Koevermans seems to stand around looking uninterested, but then pops up at the right moments to have one of the best goal-scoring stats per 90 minutes ever seen in the league, that's one thing. He's earned that & can prove himself (and obviously needed to pace himself as well given his age). You don't expect that from someone like Hamilton. I remember guys like Cheyrou chewing out Hamilton in-game because he was not pressing the opposing team at all, probably not following how they're supposed to play based on their training. Just my 2 cents, perhaps others have better insight into the Hamilton & Spencer situation.

OgtheDim
05-03-2017, 11:59 AM
This month in the Voyageurs, Hamilton & Spencer get their chances. The winner will be starting when Jozy & Ricketts goes to the Gold Cup.

Going into those games during the Gold Cup with only Hamilton & Giovinco makes no sense.

CBTFC
05-03-2017, 04:49 PM
Agreed on those points. With all due respect to both Edmonton and Ottawa, we should really be looking at giving significant minutes to the kids over the course of those 2 legs.

Not flip the squad upside down completely cause I still really want to win it again, but let's see some serious squad rotation!

Shway
05-05-2017, 02:45 PM
My issue with the Spencer signing is that Tim Bez & Vanney both have said you won't get signed to the first team if youre not performing with the second team. Spencer has done shot all.

I follow TFC II and can say that Hamilton and Spencers play are similar. Both like to switch off defensively when they should be pressing, both have good speed and size for the hold up game.

The player from TFCII who deserves a 1st contract is Johnson.

People like Fraser, he's good. ...I just don't think he's ready to play in such a commanding role/system (shows with TFCII) and will come great with time.

molenshtain
05-05-2017, 03:06 PM
We're short on strikers though, and Johnson IIRC is a winger, a position we're not really in need of.

Spencer is a high potential player that Vanney has a personal connection to. I'm fine with letting it play out.

Fraser will be signed next season when Cheyrou retires I suspect.

Greatest Ripoff
05-05-2017, 06:21 PM
Spencer is a high potential player that Vanney has a personal connection to. I'm fine with letting it play ouo

I haven't seen anything from him that points to him having potential. He's been with TFCII since 2015 and has 6 appearances and zero goals.

MightyDM
05-05-2017, 07:59 PM
My worry is that there is a hidden bias in favour of Americans. Q was ahead of Bono at one point, Bono gets a break and Q is cut. Now similar happening to Hamilton. I worry for Morgan, Oso, Chapman, etc.

Generally speaking, I like what Vanney is doing. But in a club with an American coach, an American GM, an American President; and in a league that was set up to develop US players and US coaches, I worry about the development of Canadian players.

flamehawk
05-05-2017, 11:04 PM
Hundal is a bit young, but he's performed better than Spencer, as has John, the Trinidadian striker. I watch quite a bit of TFC II and have no clue what Vanney sees in Spencer other than perhaps a bond they might have from Chivas..

Smokecell
05-05-2017, 11:24 PM
My worry is that there is a hidden bias in favour of Americans. Q was ahead of Bono at one point, Bono gets a break and Q is cut. Now similar happening to Hamilton. I worry for Morgan, Oso, Chapman, etc.

Generally speaking, I like what Vanney is doing. But in a club with an American coach, an American GM, an American President; and in a league that was set up to develop US players and US coaches, I worry about the development of Canadian players.

I don't see it as a bias so much as a stark reminder of the level in which Canadian players need to get to. I don't see an upside in handing players minutes simply because they're Canadian. Raheem is a great example, it's obvious that he's getting minutes because he has been able to come in and perform at this level. We need more Raheems, plain and simple. All of the players you mentioned have/had been given ample opportunity to show that they belong at this level.

Ossington Mental Youth
05-06-2017, 12:12 AM
Tfc isn't a CMNT farm team. Play who's best as it's best for the team

SirBobSaget
05-06-2017, 12:12 AM
Hundal is a bit young, but he's performed better than Spencer, as has John, the Trinidadian striker. I watch quite a bit of TFC II and have no clue what Vanney sees in Spencer other than perhaps a bond they might have from Chivas..

Spencer offers something not available on the TFC roster, he's a 6'5 target forward with decent touch. Jozy and Hamilton are is 6'1. Having Spencer gives another tactical option. TFC was lacking forward height.

ensco
05-06-2017, 06:53 AM
My worry is that there is a hidden bias in favour of Americans. Q was ahead of Bono at one point, Bono gets a break and Q is cut. Now similar happening to Hamilton. I worry for Morgan, Oso, Chapman, etc.

Generally speaking, I like what Vanney is doing. But in a club with an American coach, an American GM, an American President; and in a league that was set up to develop US players and US coaches, I worry about the development of Canadian players.

I wouldn't expect different. This is now a deep US soccer culture team, no question. With Bradley and Altidore here, Vanney is de facto part of the USMNT setup (Vanney played for Arena, and they must discuss the two players frequently), and if we/he have continued success, Vanney is a leading candidate to replace Arena in 2019.

MightyDM
05-06-2017, 06:58 AM
I don't see it as a bias so much as a stark reminder of the level in which Canadian players need to get to. I don't see an upside in handing players minutes simply because they're Canadian. Raheem is a great example, it's obvious that he's getting minutes because he has been able to come in and perform at this level. We need more Raheems, plain and simple. All of the players you mentioned have/had been given ample opportunity to show that they belong at this level.

Not Q. And Hamilton showed that he belonged. My point isn't that TFC is a farm team for CMNT, it is that it should be a place to help develop Canadian players, coaches, and administrators, just like the league is for US players. In that context the treatment of Quillan Roberts is a worrying precedent.

MightyDM
05-06-2017, 06:59 AM
I wouldn't expect different. This is now a deep US soccer culture team, no question. With Bradley and Altidore here, Vanney is de facto part of the USMNT setup (Vanney played for Arena, and they must discuss the two players frequently), and if we/he have continued success, Vanney is a leading candidate to replace Arena in 2019.

Interesting perspective. He is certainly getting the best out of Jozy

OgtheDim
05-06-2017, 08:23 AM
Oscar Pareja is odds on to succeed Arena and is being touted to build a team of youngsters that has not been hampered by Jurgen looking towards 2026.

By my reckoning, Vanney is on track to be USMNT in 2027.

ensco
05-06-2017, 09:10 AM
Oscar Pareja is odds on to succeed Arena and is being touted to build a team of youngsters that has not been hampered by Jurgen looking towards 2026.

By my reckoning, Vanney is on track to be USMNT in 2027.

Really? Odds on? I don't believe that.

He is one of a bunch of MLS guys, isn't he? Berrhalter, Vermes, Porter, Vanney... Pareja's teams have mostly choked in elimination games, not sure USMNT could do a style transport to Pareja's game even with a ton of new talent, and his ability to find young South Americans cheap isn't exactly an obvious USMNT asset.

I think it's wide open (don't forget Bob Bradley or Jason Kreis either) and the guy who wins the most the next two years probably is the lead candidate. Pareja in truth has to be a little better, given the fact that he isn't American (and isn't a name that sells tickets - this is big business, those tickets for friendlies in 80K stadiums have to be sold)

ag futbol
05-06-2017, 09:15 AM
Tfc isn't a CMNT farm team. Play who's best as it's best for the team
Is that actually what's happening though? I like Vanney, but I have to echo Mighty in saying at first inspection Americans seem to get the benefit of the doubt a little easier. I'm not saying it's intentional either, it could easily be a bias they don't realize they have.

I think as a whole TFC II / Acadmey could be run a lot better. The teams results have been largely mediocre and there's enough local kids who are catching on elsewhere to suggest they need to sharpen their pencils a bit more. Defaulting to brining in Americans (many of whom haven't done much either) seems to be a crutch for our junior teams.

OgtheDim
05-06-2017, 11:24 AM
Should probably stow the Spencer is above Hamilton on the pecking order talk. Spencer didn't travel to Seattle.

reggie
05-06-2017, 11:31 AM
do we know if hamilton made the trip?

molenshtain
05-06-2017, 01:27 PM
I haven't seen anything from him that points to him having potential. He's been with TFCII since 2015 and has 6 appearances and zero goals.


being the best player by far on the last american u20 squad and earning a contract to europe because of it is at least a reasonable indication of his potential.


also six games for a reserve team is really not a huge sample size.

OgtheDim
05-06-2017, 01:31 PM
do we know if hamilton made the trip?

He's in the 18.

Greatest Ripoff
05-06-2017, 05:17 PM
being the best player by far on the last american u20 squad and earning a contract to europe because of it is at least a reasonable indication of his potential.


also six games for a reserve team is really not a huge sample size.

6 games in three seasons. And if he had the potential he would still be in Europe and not in Canada.

molenshtain
05-06-2017, 05:23 PM
6 games in three seasons. And if he had the potential he would still be in Europe and not in Canada.

he spent a 1 and a half years rehabbing a serious, possibly career ending injury. He came back near the end of last year and played a couple this year. It's not like they left him on the bench for 3 years.

Ossington Mental Youth
05-07-2017, 12:59 PM
Is that actually what's happening though? I like Vanney, but I have to echo Mighty in saying at first inspection Americans seem to get the benefit of the doubt a little easier. I'm not saying it's intentional either, it could easily be a bias they don't realize they have.

I think as a whole TFC II / Acadmey could be run a lot better. The teams results have been largely mediocre and there's enough local kids who are catching on elsewhere to suggest they need to sharpen their pencils a bit more. Defaulting to brining in Americans (many of whom haven't done much either) seems to be a crutch for our junior teams.

You telling me that we are playing poorly with Vanneys choices?
I don't know how the academy is run, not gonna comment on that. It's certainly been ever changing since it's inception. I can comment on our first team and we currently look like one of the best if not the best team in the league

mistercorporate
05-07-2017, 04:17 PM
You telling me that we are playing poorly with Vanneys choices?
I don't know how the academy is run, not gonna comment on that. It's certainly been ever changing since it's inception. I can comment on our first team and we currently look like one of the best if not the best team in the league

Yeah, we look like the peak-LA Galaxy of old, the one that won 5 MLS Cups. We could be looking at the start of a 3-4 year dynasty here in MLS, till Vanney, Seba, Vasquez or Altidore decide to retire or move on.

Gazza_55
05-07-2017, 04:32 PM
I don't see it as a bias so much as a stark reminder of the level in which Canadian players need to get to. I don't see an upside in handing players minutes simply because they're Canadian. Raheem is a great example, it's obvious that he's getting minutes because he has been able to come in and perform at this level. We need more Raheems, plain and simple. All of the players you mentioned have/had been given ample opportunity to show that they belong at this level.

Nailed it. Vanney picks the players to help him win and keep his job. Suggesting a bias toward Cdn talent is akin to saying a Cdn Coach of the Tampa Bay Lightning gives Cdn players more ice time over Americans because he's Canadian. It's ridiculous.

ag futbol
05-07-2017, 04:58 PM
You telling me that we are playing poorly with Vanneys choices?
I don't know how the academy is run, not gonna comment on that. It's certainly been ever changing since it's inception. I can comment on our first team and we currently look like one of the best if not the best team in the league
I'm not mostly not talking about the first team here. TFC II and more so the development spots. Clearly the first team players, with very few exceptions *ahem* Endoh *ahem* seem to get opportunities that reflect their production on the field.

Are you going to argue the jr. specifically have played well? That we're giving Canadians enough opportunities with those teams?

OgtheDim
05-07-2017, 09:26 PM
FWIW: Edwards, Delgado & Hamilton are all the same age.


Things change.

A year ago at this time, Chapman was getting a few minutes here or there, Endoh was the rookie doing well, Osorio was in the team each week, Delgado was a starter or off the bench, & Hamilton was the #3 but about to go on a run of play due to injuries and the Copa America. Hagglund & Zavaleta were on the bench but hadn't played any minutes. By the playoffs, Delgado was on the squad as subs, Osorio, Hagglund & Zavaleta started every game while Endoh & Hamilton were not in the 18.

Personnel change but the only thing I see changing status is injury, or a player brought in because the young guy wasn't good enough or a player working their way into the squad.

Honestly, at this point last year, did ANY of us think Hagglund would be replacing Moor in the backline and doing a good job QBing the back?

SoccerWatch
05-07-2017, 09:54 PM
Edwards and Delgado are a year older than Hamilton.

reggie
05-07-2017, 11:53 PM
i want canadians to succeed,but where are you going play him ahead of seba, jozy ricketts,from what ive seen of him,he doesnt have the work rate off the ball yet,he is young still if he is good enough he will find a place to play here or somewhere else.