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OgtheDim
02-18-2017, 08:37 AM
Its 2 weeks today.

Its time

The old season has unwound and from it a new one is born.

IdcN4BRpmGI

Have at it People

Auzzy
02-18-2017, 09:26 PM
2 weeks? Holy shit.

An offseason like this one: short (due to extended playoffs) and drama-free, is rather boring, isn't it? Strange days indeed!

OgtheDim
02-23-2017, 07:58 PM
Mavinga has a kid, goes back to France for a bit, probably not starting this game.

https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/834925664629370880

pprzerac
02-27-2017, 03:01 PM
I'm thinking this is going to be a tough game for ours. Hopefully our guys can deal with the altitude and temperature as compared to Florida.

GhostKiller
02-27-2017, 04:21 PM
-------Gio--------Jozy--------
------Oso---------Cooper-----
JM--------Bradley-------Biet---
----Zava----moor----Hags----
-------------Irwin------------

Yes? Same as before? Im not sure how we are use Vazquez? Is he here to replace Oso?

OgtheDim
02-27-2017, 04:39 PM
Sandy Utah is getting a snowstorm today but Saturday game time it's supposed to be about 7 degrees (C).

molenshtain
02-27-2017, 04:58 PM
we've won our last three season openers at Seattle, Vancouver and New Jersey. Literally anything can happen in this game. predictions are futile and this game will have very little to say about where we'll be even three months from now.

Let's all remember this as we gear up for the new season.

charlieocc
02-27-2017, 09:06 PM
I can't believe we're already back. So excited for this season!

Blindside16
02-28-2017, 12:50 AM
It is always hard to pick up points at Rio Tinto. I will be happy with a point and a solid 90 minutes from the squad. I can't see us shifting from a 3-5-2. If Vasquez makes an appearance it will probably be for Oso, unless Cooper picks up a card. Saturday cannot come soon enough.

khso11
02-28-2017, 02:24 AM
My starting 11 prediction (3-4-1-2/5-3-2):

------------------------------Jozy-----------------
-----------Seba------------------------------------
-----------------------Vazquez---------------------
Jmo---------Bradley-----------Cooper-------Beita
-----Mavinga/Haggs----Moor----Zavaleta-------
---------------------Irwin---------------------------

ensco
02-28-2017, 05:37 AM
Luis Silva and Joao Plata... surprised RSL didn't bring in Soolsma as well!

Fort York Redcoat
02-28-2017, 08:21 AM
Luis Silva and Joao Plata... surprised RSL didn't bring in Soolsma as well!


That's awesome. I look forward to watching them. (Because they don't rrrrreally intimidate as much)

Joe Kool
02-28-2017, 09:24 AM
RSL fans on BigSoccer are all predicting a TFC win with a couple saying if they are lucky RSL will scrape out a draw. I don't find TFC necessarily do that well when they look to be heavy favourites with the opposition's fans. Hopefully they are predicting correctly though. Would be great to get a good start to the season.

James17930
02-28-2017, 10:28 AM
My starting 11 prediction (3-4-1-2/5-3-2):

------------------------------Jozy-----------------
-----------Seba------------------------------------
-----------------------Vazquez---------------------
Jmo---------Bradley-----------Cooper-------Beita
-----Mavinga/Haggs----Moor----Zavaleta-------
---------------------Irwin---------------------------

That's what I'm thinking as well, though do we know if Vazquez is fit yet?

I can see him splitting the time with Osorio, especially because the game is at altitude. Though he did play in Mexico the last two years so he's probably used to that.

Fort York Redcoat
02-28-2017, 10:53 AM
Luis Silva and Joao Plata... surprised RSL didn't bring in Soolsma as well!

Wait they still have Aaron Maund and Chad Barrett as well.

Graeme
02-28-2017, 12:27 PM
I think it will be the same starting line up as the cup final. Mavinga, Vasquez and Cheyrou as the subs. Maybe Chapman?

OgtheDim
02-28-2017, 12:32 PM
I'm wondering if Mavinga will even travel with the team this time. That's a long trip to likely not play after being away for a week.

khso11
02-28-2017, 01:47 PM
That's what I'm thinking as well, though do we know if Vazquez is fit yet?

I can see him splitting the time with Osorio, especially because the game is at altitude. Though he did play in Mexico the last two years so he's probably used to that.

I think Vazquez would be good to go, he's the type of player that will make use of his great positional awareness and skills, which would reduce the need for physical movement. I do agree that Osorio , or maybe even Cheyrou, may see an appearance in the 2nd half for Vazquez if things is going well....it all depends on how the game is going really (hopefully well).

Oldtimer
02-28-2017, 02:11 PM
I can't see Vazquez in until the second half. He's still gaining fitness and will be slow, but he will be an asset once RSL is tired.

PopePouri
02-28-2017, 02:53 PM
I can't see Vazquez in until the second half. He's still gaining fitness and will be slow, but he will be an asset once RSL is tired.

Didn't he play 45 against Chicago? If so, He should be good for at least 60 in RSL.

Ben - D.O.W.
02-28-2017, 03:07 PM
Didn't he play 45 against Chicago? If so, He should be good for at least 60 in RSL.

I think 30 minutes at the start of the second half - so 46-~75 (edit - or am I thinking of the previous game?). An hour at altitude might be pushing it.

molenshtain
02-28-2017, 03:10 PM
Technically he's been in training for a while, being that he's coming over from Cruz Azul who are in the middle their season. Hasn't gotten an in-game minute since the beginning of last august though. Tough to say how he'll manage. He'll get minutes in this game but I highly doubt he goes the whole way. The first 8-10 games are basically high-intensity preseason games anyway. Same reason I don't think we'll see Mavinga until the home opener.

I trust the coaching staff. They're usually pretty good at gauging this kind of stuff.

Oldtimer
02-28-2017, 03:21 PM
Didn't he play 45 against Chicago? If so, He should be good for at least 60 in RSL.

I didn't see the match but comments were that he was slow.

burlington Red
02-28-2017, 03:24 PM
Didn't he play 45 against Chicago? If so, He should be good for at least 60 in RSL.



I think they will ease him in. This is a new league for him, even excellent players sometimes have a period of adjustment in a new league. I'd say he'll get last 20 mins or so. Really looking forward to seeing him this season esp against teams who double up on Gio. That will create more space for players like Vazquez to exploit. Really shrewd piece of business.

OgtheDim
02-28-2017, 03:36 PM
Journos up in Downsview it seems

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/836673342123945987

RedsYNWA
03-01-2017, 01:13 PM
RSL fans on BigSoccer are all predicting a TFC win with a couple saying if they are lucky RSL will scrape out a draw. I don't find TFC necessarily do that well when they look to be heavy favourites with the opposition's fans. Hopefully they are predicting correctly though. Would be great to get a good start to the season.

Fans are one thing Books are another

Odds on favorite are the home side

RSL 2.20 -- 3.40 -- 3.20 TFC

OgtheDim
03-01-2017, 01:22 PM
A view on RSL from one of their beat journos

Based on this I'd say we are going to see a slightly less quick version of the Montreal trap and counter.


http://www.sltrib.com/sports/5000209-155/real-salt-lake-offseason-overhaul-makes

ensco
03-01-2017, 01:51 PM
A view on RSL from one of their beat journos

Based on this I'd say we are going to see a slightly less quick version of the Montreal trap and counter.


http://www.sltrib.com/sports/5000209-155/real-salt-lake-offseason-overhaul-makes

Really, this is THE story of the offseason...


"Soon after, Burrito Martinez was out, too, having asked the RSL front office to release him from his Designated Player deal because of family reasons. He later told the Argentine media he needed to get back to Argentina to take care of his dog, which had cancer."

ensco
03-01-2017, 01:54 PM
Horst is a bruiser, an old school MLS brontosaurus. I except, at a minimum, that one or both of he and Altidore will take a card on the other.

C.Ronaldo
03-01-2017, 02:43 PM
Really, this is THE story of the offseason...


"Soon after, Burrito Martinez was out, too, having asked the RSL front office to release him from his Designated Player deal because of family reasons. He later told the Argentine media he needed to get back to Argentina to take care of his dog, which had cancer."

thats ruff

:)

ensco
03-02-2017, 07:37 AM
So we are 1-7-0 at RSL, and the win was in 2007.

Red CB Toronto
03-02-2017, 11:45 AM
So we are 1-7-0 at RSL, and the win was in 2007.

Yep, the victory was played in a half empty college football stadium on turf with Jeff Cunningham and Collin Samuel scoring. It was also one of two games Sam Reynolds played in net for the Reds.

Bobo
03-02-2017, 04:04 PM
Don't think its quite sunk in yet that we're back in two days.

After seeing how Vanney handled Cooper, I fully expect Vazquez to be slowly worked in. We have guys who are familiar with the system that are deserving of the opening-day start. I'm expecting the exact same lineup that came through in the latter stages of last season. I'd imagine that's never happened before.

SarniaTFC
03-02-2017, 06:15 PM
Any fans making the trip or know of anybody going?

Red CB Toronto
03-02-2017, 06:59 PM
Any fans making the trip or know of anybody going?
Yeah there are a few , not too many. Because of that I believe everyone did there own thing for tickets.

TFC Tifoso
03-03-2017, 08:59 AM
Happy TFCEve everybody!!!

OgtheDim
03-03-2017, 11:10 AM
According to Larson's article today http://www.torontosun.com/2017/03/02/tfcs-new-wall-of-honour-not-just-about-sentimentality




We have three road games to start the season — which is much better than last year — but still tough,” Manning said. “It’s a tough place to play. “But I think this year, when we’re on our game — home or away — if we don’t win the game we won’t be happy. That’s how this team is approaching things. I think that’s a strong statement.”



Ambitious but realistically, a point in this game is good business.

ag futbol
03-03-2017, 12:29 PM
Man that was a short offseason.... I guess that's the benefit of going far in the playoffs.

It feels like last season just ended.

notthesun
03-03-2017, 01:56 PM
Edwards could actually make the bench here, with Mavinga unavailable and Morgan injured.

OgtheDim
03-03-2017, 03:14 PM
Well we know a few people not with the big team

https://twitter.com/TorontoFCII/status/837754529663881220

GerMc
03-03-2017, 04:03 PM
Well, I guess it is important for Chapman to get minutes, but sad to see that he will not be with the first team for the start of the season...I still think it was the right thing to go out and get Vazquez, but looks like there is some collateral damage from that decision...

Red CB Toronto
03-03-2017, 06:43 PM
A beautiful setting at the Reds training session this afternoon in Sandy.

https://scontent.fyyz1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16939338_1867425406876837_3467569415081162440_n.jp g?oh=9d9b8006d9360917966018cfac1eb6d8&oe=592571DE

Richard
03-03-2017, 06:45 PM
Wow that's breathtaking.

Auzzy
03-03-2017, 07:44 PM
Especially at that angle, the photo is so amazing that it looks fake.

UpTheReds
03-03-2017, 08:53 PM
I keep looking at our potential first 11 and when I type it out I keep thinking, wait what about so and so or what about....

We really do have depth. It's a good thing. Because with the shorter off season I think squad rotation will be extremely necessary. Also, as they outlined in the preseason, I think continuing with a heavy presence of TFC II and academy lads in the Canadian Championship will be a must.

OgtheDim
03-04-2017, 07:07 AM
Oh my gosh


It is actually GAME DAY!!!! :scarf: :drinking:

Red CB Toronto
03-04-2017, 09:14 AM
can you feel it, it's game day baby !!!!

James17930
03-04-2017, 09:22 AM
Well, I guess it is important for Chapman to get minutes, but sad to see that he will not be with the first team for the start of the season...I still think it was the right thing to go out and get Vazquez, but looks like there is some collateral damage from that decision...

I personally don't care who plays as long as we win. I don't care if Chapman never plays for TFC again if we always have better players than him at that position.

I think some of us get a bit too sentimental about players sometimes. TFC winning is the only thing that matters.

SarniaTFC
03-04-2017, 10:11 AM
YAAAS!! That feeling of waking up, being slightly hungover but the game day butterflies are back can't wait, COME ON YOU REDS!!!!

ensco
03-04-2017, 11:05 AM
11 degrees and sunny in Salt Lake.

Good thing this game isn't here!

charlieocc
03-04-2017, 12:20 PM
IT'S ACTUALLY HERE. I can't believe it's only been 3 months

Red Adder
03-04-2017, 01:04 PM
Let's go boys! Come on you 2017 reds!

James17930
03-04-2017, 01:11 PM
Survey time:

Should I stay up until 5:30 am to watch this game?

MightyDM
03-04-2017, 01:29 PM
Survey time:

Should I stay up until 5:30 am to watch this game?

no. But you could get up at 530 am.....

Shakes McQueen
03-04-2017, 01:58 PM
Can't believe the 2017 season is already upon us. Feels like the MLS Cup was about a month ago.

I'll take a 2-1 TFC win, but opening week it's hard to guess anything with certainty. I haven't paid much attention to RSL's roster, but for what it's worth, the RSL fans over at BigSoccer don't seem to have much confidence in their team's chances.

SKB
03-04-2017, 03:06 PM
Wow first game of the season. So unusual from other years where we do not have a whole new set of players to look at. That's good. I am interested to watch the back 3 or 4 depending on the formation. Are back line is getting a little old. We started giving up too many goals at the end of last year. Also wondering if there will be competition for number 1 goalie this year.

RedsYNWA
03-04-2017, 04:04 PM
If the frickin' Curling cuts into the TFC game I will LOSE IT :hulk:

charlieocc
03-04-2017, 04:05 PM
Looks like Glad is out for RSL, that's good for us. He's their only top-level defender imo.

khso11
03-04-2017, 04:09 PM
https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/838127874917941248

pdubs
03-04-2017, 04:15 PM
Cant believe the off season is over already. Letz gooo

OgtheDim
03-04-2017, 04:21 PM
Get ready for a possible curling pre empt here.


*********

Edit: make that definite.

canta15
03-04-2017, 04:27 PM
Redemptions on our mind boys. 2017 is our year.

khso11
03-04-2017, 04:30 PM
Seems like TSN5 might show it

charlieocc
03-04-2017, 04:30 PM
https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/838127874917941248

Edwards made it on the bench!

khso11
03-04-2017, 04:34 PM
Edwards made it on the bench!

Hopefully he'll get some minutes, he's an exciting player to watch.

James17930
03-04-2017, 04:35 PM
Get ready for a possible curling pre empt here.


*********

Edit: make that definite.

NO fucking way. I did not pull an all-nighter for that shit.

charlieocc
03-04-2017, 04:38 PM
Get ready for a possible curling pre empt here.


*********

Edit: make that definite.

Looks like we might be ok :drinking:

OgtheDim
03-04-2017, 04:39 PM
https://twitter.com/MLSonTSN/status/838139126683693057

ag futbol
03-04-2017, 04:41 PM
On TSN you have 5 god damn channels... take one of them off curling ffs.

molenshtain
03-04-2017, 04:42 PM
streams?

Ajax TFC
03-04-2017, 04:42 PM
Okay, anyone have a stream? All the streams on Cricfree are TSN1...

shwade
03-04-2017, 04:42 PM
Fucking curling, are you kidding me.
TSN5 is showing it live.

PizzaEatingYeti
03-04-2017, 04:42 PM
stream?

RedsYNWA
03-04-2017, 04:43 PM
ALWAYS with the FRICKIN CURLING :banghead:

charlieocc
03-04-2017, 04:45 PM
I fucking hate curling

Oldtimer
03-04-2017, 04:47 PM
You can listen on TSN 1050.

James17930
03-04-2017, 04:48 PM
10th end is almost over. 5 more mins or so.

OgtheDim
03-04-2017, 04:48 PM
HAVE A FREAKING AD BLOCKER AND ANTI VIRUS


Try this one instead

http://cdn.livetvcdn.net/webplayer2.php?t=ifr&c=622348&lang=en&eid=488526&lid=622348&ci=64&si=1

charlieocc
03-04-2017, 04:48 PM
You can listen on TSN 1050.

Good shout. http://www.iheartradio.ca/tsn/tsn-toronto?autoplay=1.1748194

Oldtimer
03-04-2017, 04:48 PM
It won't be easy for TFC to win here at altitude for a first match of the season.

daner90
03-04-2017, 04:49 PM
Not a fan of these kits still....

ndtoronto
03-04-2017, 04:50 PM
http://antenasport.eu/shdtsn5.html

Detroit_TFC
03-04-2017, 04:51 PM
What's with the light attendance? That's unusual for RSL.

charlieocc
03-04-2017, 04:51 PM
Not a fan of these kits still....
I keep catching myself watching the wrong team lol

Batman
03-04-2017, 04:57 PM
I keep catching myself watching the wrong team lol

I did the same for the first minute or two.

canta15
03-04-2017, 04:57 PM
Altidore has to put that in

molenshtain
03-04-2017, 04:59 PM
looking good through ten minutes.

ag futbol
03-04-2017, 05:03 PM
Arg some good chances so far. Need to finish them.

OgtheDim
03-04-2017, 05:05 PM
Soo many midfield give aways by RSL.

Ooo...Zaveletta outruns Plata.

ensco
03-04-2017, 05:17 PM
Classic Gio - suckers Rimando totally.

canta15
03-04-2017, 05:18 PM
Armando Cooper made a poor pass but luckily Rimando was stupid enough to take him down

OgtheDim
03-04-2017, 05:18 PM
Yeah, could have called that.

charlieocc
03-04-2017, 05:19 PM
God dammit seba stop going left

Detroit_TFC
03-04-2017, 05:19 PM
fucking hell

Ajax TFC
03-04-2017, 05:20 PM
That was textbook mind games by Rimando

shwade
03-04-2017, 05:20 PM
Ahh please no pre-2016 unravelling now..

ensco
03-04-2017, 05:20 PM
Has Gio ever not gone low to the left?

ag futbol
03-04-2017, 05:22 PM
Looks like a preseason game. Lots of errors from both teams.

OgtheDim
03-04-2017, 05:23 PM
Has Gio ever not gone low to the left?

Apparently no.

This might change.

Oldtimer
03-04-2017, 05:25 PM
Post TFC stress disorder kicking in now...

notthesun
03-04-2017, 05:27 PM
Giovinco's gotta switch it up now.

OgtheDim
03-04-2017, 05:28 PM
We are the better team.

BUT, we have the wind in this half and the second half is when the altitude kicks in.

Could go anywhere this game.

notthesun
03-04-2017, 05:34 PM
Osorio needs to take on his man there... deep in the box and instead he just plays backwards and the play dies. Take a chance in that position.

molenshtain
03-04-2017, 05:35 PM
I'd just like to say it's great to watch this team again. I hate the off-season.

PizzaEatingYeti
03-04-2017, 05:38 PM
After watched 45 minutes, this game stinks big time like a draw to me.

SoccMan2
03-04-2017, 05:39 PM
These guys are definitely calling the game from the studio in Toronto, they have not showed them at all on camera, also no sideline reporter there either it seems like years past.

Detroit_TFC
03-04-2017, 05:39 PM
If we were able to get a couple goals in the first half I'd feel the game was under control but we'll be lucky to hold them off for even ten or twenty minutes in the 2nd half.

SKB
03-04-2017, 05:39 PM
Well first half over, we should be up a goal. Outplayed them. Passing needs to be crisper and we are attacking down the left too much. Need to move the ball more from one side to the other.

Davenport
03-04-2017, 05:39 PM
Cheyrou and Vasquez for Osorio and Cooper please. ASAP !

ag futbol
03-04-2017, 05:40 PM
These guys are definitely calling the game from the studio in Toronto, they have not showed them at all on camera, also no sideline reporter there either it seems like years past.
They definitely are. They were on set for EPL games 2 hours ago. Otherwise, that's a hell of a fast flight.

With the altitude I think Edwards in the 2nd half along with rickets would be advisable.

molenshtain
03-04-2017, 05:45 PM
Edwards, Ricketts and Vasquez are the three second half subs I bet. get fast and wide and have Bradley and Vasquez spray balls down the channels.

Ajax TFC
03-04-2017, 05:47 PM
If Vasquez is as advertised, this is exactly the kind of game he'll come in handy to open up. Ricketts on in the 70th with an accurate midfield playmaker to feed him would be lethal

OgtheDim
03-04-2017, 05:50 PM
These guys are definitely calling the game from the studio in Toronto, they have not showed them at all on camera, also no sideline reporter there either it seems like years past.

FWIW, there was a TSN mic in front of Zaveletta at the half.

SoccMan2
03-04-2017, 06:02 PM
Bradley is a give away machine in this game so far.

ag futbol
03-04-2017, 06:08 PM
Cooper has to play that though to altidore or on the side to gio. Come on man.

notthesun
03-04-2017, 06:08 PM
Oh how I wish that was Vazquez running with the ball there down the middle and not Cooper.

jloome
03-04-2017, 06:09 PM
Bradley is a give away machine in this game so far.

He's controlled the midfield defensively, which is why RSL's weapons are hardly touching the ball. Three really bad passes so far though.

OgtheDim
03-04-2017, 06:10 PM
Cooper is a more CONCACAF'd Osorio.

Bobo
03-04-2017, 06:10 PM
Cooper has been piss all game. Cheyrou please.

UpTheReds
03-04-2017, 06:16 PM
I don't rate him. Gives the ball away too easily, poor with the ball in tight areas.

UpTheReds
03-04-2017, 06:20 PM
We've bossed this game so far to be fair. Just haven't taken our chances. Whatever the result, appears we have resumed right where we left off from last season.

pdubs
03-04-2017, 06:21 PM
Yea minus the early season slop we look dangerous

Detroit_TFC
03-04-2017, 06:21 PM
Liking what I'm seeing from Vasquez so far.

Detroit_TFC
03-04-2017, 06:22 PM
Agent Plata saving the game for us.

pdubs
03-04-2017, 06:22 PM
Caught out bad

ensco
03-04-2017, 06:22 PM
Plata coughs up a bigger furball than Gio.

Phew.

Detroit_TFC
03-04-2017, 06:25 PM
Irwin, Beita looking good. Cooper not so much.

jloome
03-04-2017, 06:26 PM
Cooper has been piss all game. Cheyrou please.

Vazquez looks pretty smooth but he hasn't been tracking back.

ag futbol
03-04-2017, 06:26 PM
This ref is ridiculous

pdubs
03-04-2017, 06:27 PM
Yea he has lost the plot

UpTheReds
03-04-2017, 06:28 PM
TFC will get another guilted edge chance in this game....can they take it?

ag futbol
03-04-2017, 06:37 PM
how is Schuler still on the field? The guy fouls practically every play.

Detroit_TFC
03-04-2017, 06:40 PM
so many chances, should have won it there at the end. Frustrating (but not as frustrating as it could have been)

UpTheReds
03-04-2017, 06:40 PM
Should have been 3 pts but a very useful draw.

SoccMan2
03-04-2017, 06:41 PM
Not one of Giovinco's better games probably one of his worst, needs to do better.

OgtheDim
03-04-2017, 06:42 PM
Take the point and get better for next week.

ag futbol
03-04-2017, 06:42 PM
Should have been 3 pts but a very useful draw.
That's pretty much it. Not a bad start, in context.

James17930
03-04-2017, 06:43 PM
A good result, though had the better chances and probably should've won.

jloome
03-04-2017, 06:43 PM
That's pretty much it. Not a bad start, in context.

Truly fucking awful officiating, even by MLS standards.

notthesun
03-04-2017, 06:43 PM
Should've won it in the first half. Oh well. Road draw, I'm not gonna complain too much. Tons and tons of rustiness out there, especially our passes out from the back 3 and in the final third.

I'm gonna be totally honest, Giovinco looked like he did when playing hurt vs Montreal and Seattle. That's not a good start.

Vazquez looked pretty good, his passing quality is clear.

Altidore as usual gets manhandled all game and the refs don't give a shit. What else is new.

mistercorporate
03-04-2017, 06:46 PM
Should have brought in Ricketts instead of Delgado. Regardless, I'm fine with the result, we played well overall. Vasquez looks like a solid upgrade over Osorio so far.

69Chevy396
03-04-2017, 06:50 PM
Poor performance from both teams. TFC got what they deserved. Does Haggland continue to start after this trully awful game? Seems, he gave away the ball a dozen times.

Detroit_TFC
03-04-2017, 06:50 PM
Should've won it in the first half. Oh well. Road draw, I'm not gonna complain too much. Tons and tons of rustiness out there, especially our passes out from the back 3 and in the final third.

I'm gonna be totally honest, Giovinco looked like he did when playing hurt vs Montreal and Seattle. That's not a good start.

Vazquez looked pretty good, his passing quality is clear.

Altidore as usual gets manhandled all game and the refs don't give a shit. What else is new.

Yeah, SG didn't look at all sharp. Let's see what happens at Philly. He's had some good games there, might see better. If not, I'll start to be concerned.

Bobo
03-04-2017, 06:51 PM
Overall a very positive road performance. Season opener is possibly the worst game to play in Salt Lake, and the boys were definitely the better team.

Fullbacks put in a good shift. Back three was solid despite some giveaways.

Bradley missed some passes but did well to cover a lot of ground when the other mids were caught. Oso wasn't great but Cooper had a real stinker. Even the ball that won the penalty was horribly overhit. Neither made a push to keep their starting positions, one of which should be given to Vazquez starting next game. Can easily tell the difference in IQ, always keeping his head up and playing quick, clean passes. Partnership with Seba looks promising. Do foresee some spaces left in the midfield though, he doesn't seem overly excited to track back. Might need to consider a diamond moving forward.

Seba was poor by his standards, Jozy worked hard but was ineffective for long stretches.

This ref was clearly excited to do stuff after the offseason. Some real head-scratching decisions.

Lastly, after all the unbearable broadcasts we've endured in the past, what a pleasure it is to listen to Wileman and Caldwell call a game. With every game on TSN, I hope curling is on all year ...

Hamilton_Red
03-04-2017, 06:58 PM
We won't get a better chance of a win than we had today in Utah. Weak in front of goal - Gio started where he left off last season. Something doesn't seem to be right with him - should have been subbed for Ricketts at 80 minutes. Was wishing we had Johnson instead of Cooper late in the game when it counted. Overall a decent result for a tough away game to start the season. Opportunity missed. Hope to see more of Vasquez. A few shaky moments at the back - but overall a solid performance defensively.

tfcfans
03-04-2017, 06:58 PM
Take the point in a very tough place to play and come home and reorganize. Vazquez looked great passing the ball and was a clear upgrade from what was going on up to that point from that spot. Road draws against most western conference opponents are always welcome.

COYR

InSuL1nImP
03-04-2017, 07:23 PM
Two take away's from this game. Both Cooper & Morrow need to cut their hair.

Brandino88
03-04-2017, 07:34 PM
Two take away's from this game. Both Cooper & Morrow need to cut their hair.

Lmaoooo especially Cooper. He looks like a :conehead:



Some sloppiness in play; first game of the season, especially playing in that altitude. Very MEH game in general

CBTFC
03-04-2017, 07:45 PM
That game felt just like one giant letdown.

I don't know if it was the stadium/atmosphere, the wind, or whatever. So very bland and run of the mill.

But, I consider a 0-0 draw on the road a steal, so I'll take the dirty point.

On to Philly.

PizzaEatingYeti
03-04-2017, 08:02 PM
I am disappointed with the TFC attacking play shown today.

Unfortunately Seba is continuing his bad form shown in the last 3 games of the last season.
If that does not change in the next 2 games, that's grounds for serious concern in my book.

Vazquez has played exactly as expected. Don't count him ever supporting full-hearted the defense.
The reason is not really his fitness IMO, but more it's not in his DNA to do it.

Other than these I have nothing to take from this game.
Not a good one and not a bad one.

Onyx
03-04-2017, 08:04 PM
These guys are definitely calling the game from the studio in Toronto, they have not showed them at all on camera, also no sideline reporter there either it seems like years past.

TFC road games and all other home/away games (whitecaps, impact) will be called from TSN's head office. Cost saving move by TSN this year to make MLS more economically (less loses)

PizzaEatingYeti
03-04-2017, 08:09 PM
I don't understand why more people are considering this a good result than just a average one.
Not good, not bad.

Yes, historically it's a good result, would have been good result in seasons 1-7.
But how long we'll continue to judge everything reported to TFC's first 7 seasons or so, when oh boy, it was close to be for real the worst team in the world, and was the laughing stock of the MLS?

Alonso
03-04-2017, 08:20 PM
I don't understand why more people are considering this a good result than just a average one.
Not good, not bad.

Yes, historically it's a good result, would have been good result in seasons 1-7.
But how long we'll continue to judge everything reported to TFC's first 7 seasons or so, when oh boy, it was close to be for real the worst team in the world, and was the laughing stock of the MLS?


I can't argue with you.

You are right.

But we etched out a draw on the road with a team that we NEVER beat by TFC (except once) at their home.

We looked lively, and looked like we could have won the game! We were sold short by Giovinco's penalty kick and some of Altidore's chances.

For the rusty first game of the season, I think we did well!

69Chevy396
03-04-2017, 08:20 PM
TFC road games and all other home/away games (whitecaps, impact) will be called from TSN's head office. Cost saving move by TSN this year to make MLS more economically (less loses)
Not looking forward to a season of Caldwell calling everything "pedantic", or instant replays during live action. Although, unlike Sportsnet, TSN doesn't introduce each replay with a stupid cutscreen and loud hissing thing.

ag futbol
03-04-2017, 08:24 PM
Truly fucking awful officiating, even by MLS standards.
It was. He let both RSL CBs act like a couple of thugs, had an odd idea of persistent infringement, the linesmen missed a couple of easy decisions too. But we got out unscathed, generally.

At least we got the penalty. Another day, someone easily duffs that call.

ag futbol
03-04-2017, 08:28 PM
I am disappointed with the TFC attacking play shown today.

Unfortunately Seba is continuing his bad form shown in the last 3 games of the last season.
If that does not change in the next 2 games, that's grounds for serious concern in my book.

Vazquez has played exactly as expected. Don't count him ever supporting full-hearted the defense.
The reason is not really his fitness IMO, but more it's not in his DNA to do it.

Other than these I have nothing to take from this game.
Not a good one and not a bad one.
Not to judge too early but I feel you're bang on about Vasquez. And with some of his injury problems historically he's a starter at home / not on the road type.

I think Chapman should be thrown in the mix here with Osorio and Cooper. Call it early season jitters but they both had their issues today.

Hamilton_Red
03-04-2017, 08:37 PM
last team we scored against was Montreal! This now a goal drought.

Shakes McQueen
03-04-2017, 08:38 PM
I don't understand why more people are considering this a good result than just a average one.
Not good, not bad.

Yes, historically it's a good result, would have been good result in seasons 1-7.
But how long we'll continue to judge everything reported to TFC's first 7 seasons or so, when oh boy, it was close to be for real the worst team in the world, and was the laughing stock of the MLS?

First game of the season, draw on the road - I suspect people just aren't particularly concerned one way or another right now. If they look rusty after a few games, I'll start to wonder.

Shakes McQueen
03-04-2017, 08:38 PM
last team we scored against was Montreal! This now a goal drought.

Fire Vanney.

Eastend
03-04-2017, 08:39 PM
Will say I'm happy with the point. Definitely could have gotten the win.

Seba seemed to have no motivation so hopefully it's just a game 1 thing.
Altidore, a beast so not sure how he gets so man handled.
Not sure why the negativity on Cooper, I thought he fought and held the ball well....a couple times too long, but generally a good game.
Oso will have a hard time getting in the first team with Vazquez getting game ready.
Hagglund, no, just no. Weak link in the back.
Would have liked to see Ricketts over Delgado.

Lots to take away as they prep for next week.

Just my thoughts.


Dom

stevep
03-04-2017, 10:08 PM
Not looking forward to a season of Caldwell calling everything "pedantic", or instant replays during live action. Although, unlike Sportsnet, TSN doesn't introduce each replay with a stupid cutscreen and loud hissing thing.

yes he does love that word pedantic doesn't he

69Chevy396
03-04-2017, 10:10 PM
Will say I'm happy with the point. Definitely could have gotten the win.

Seba seemed to have no motivation so hopefully it's just a game 1 thing.
Altidore, a beast so not sure how he gets so man handled.
Not sure why the negativity on Cooper, I thought he fought and held the ball well....a couple times too long, but generally a good game.
Oso will have a hard time getting in the first team with Vazquez getting game ready.
Hagglund, no, just no. Weak link in the back.
Would have liked to see Ricketts over Delgado.

Lots to take away as they prep for next week.

Just my thoughts.


Dom

Concerned about Seba. He is a different player from this time last year.

69Chevy396
03-04-2017, 10:12 PM
yes he does love that word pedantic doesn't he
At first, partly due to his accent, I thought he was saying..."and the ref is a pissant tonight"

UpTheReds
03-04-2017, 10:14 PM
It's WAY too early to worry about not scoring. I'd be concerned if we weren't getting the ball into key areas but we are. We are playing in the opposition half for large chunks and are creating chances. The goals will come again. It's only been one game, no need to worry yet at all.

Oldtimer
03-04-2017, 10:19 PM
Concerned about Seba. He is a different player from this time last year.

What if he's now thinking he should have taken the 10.5 million in China?

OgtheDim
03-04-2017, 11:21 PM
You know, I know we lost to Seattle last year but that doesn't mean we need to compete with their supporters tonight for the title of Chicken Little of MLS.

Lets leave that to the energy drinks if they lose tomorrow in Atlanta. :)

Bobo
03-04-2017, 11:22 PM
yes he does love that word pedantic doesn't he

In his opinion.

Seriously though, I think Caldwell is composed and offers good insight. With a little more experience I think he could make a great colour commentator.


As for the Seba talk, I think we've been spoiled by a player who we've seen hit the form of his life. No one can sustain that level forever, but if his interest lied elsewhere, he'd be elsewhere. It is possible that a human being could just be tired at the end of one season and not be fit from the word go to start the next.

ensco
03-04-2017, 11:34 PM
A bit frustrating. Probably should have been 2-1 TFC. Although could have been 1-1.

The season is criminally too long, and it shows. We are asking too much of these very special people.

mistercorporate
03-05-2017, 12:22 AM
Montreal lost to the Quakes, Houston beat Seattle, and all is good in the world.

SirBobSaget
03-05-2017, 01:16 AM
yes he does love that word pedantic doesn't he

Hmm I agree I find his vocabulary is both shallow and pedantic - signed Peter Griffin

Auzzy
03-05-2017, 02:45 AM
For the first game of the season, on the road at altitude, I thought the second sub was too late, & the third sub never happened.

Shakes McQueen
03-05-2017, 06:04 AM
Concerned about Seba. He is a different player from this time last year.

This was tongue-in-cheek, right? It has to be. We've played 90 minutes of regular season soccer.

__wowza
03-05-2017, 06:16 AM
This was tongue-in-cheek, right? It has to be. We've played 90 minutes of regular season soccer.


lets pretend!
lets pretend!
lets pretend we lost the game!

greatwhitenorf
03-05-2017, 07:30 AM
It was awfully windy. And Giovinco must have taken that as his cue to flop for the penalty. He was scarcely touched and earned the penalty on the basis of his image.

Justice served with Rimando's save.

kuku
03-05-2017, 08:20 AM
Let's take the point and look forward to the next game.

69Chevy396
03-05-2017, 08:22 AM
This was tongue-in-cheek, right? It has to be. We've played 90 minutes of regular season soccer.
Even games where he didn't score, Seba always made a few brilliant jaw-dropping runs, or passes, etc., easily getting by MLS defenders. I haven't seen him doing this since the summer 2016, and yesterday was no exception.

SoccMan2
03-05-2017, 09:57 AM
Too many turnovers giveaways , too many players dribbling into players not either shooting when the opportunity was there or passing before running into traffic and losing possession. Moreover, sometimes even passing when the better option was dribbling and taking the space that was available, overall the decision making was poor by TFC in this game.

Detroit_TFC
03-05-2017, 09:58 AM
I was going to post an amateur sports psychologist analysis of SG's recent form and what to expect going forward but the conclusions I drew were too depressing. Carry on.

Derko
03-05-2017, 11:29 AM
last team we scored against was Montreal! This now a goal drought.

Surly you jest, a 2 game goal drought, hmmm!!!

__wowza
03-05-2017, 12:16 PM
if anyone's wondering why most of us seem ok with a draw, let me put something in perspective:

do you know when you look at an EPL / La Liga schedule and do the math for upcoming games? you get teams like watford, southampton, etc, and you'd expect 3 points at home, right? well that used to be us. we were one of the teams that opposing fans would delight in playing. TFC on the road guaranteed 3 points for the home side.

we're not that club anymore.

yesterday we saw RSL shut up shop and play for a draw close to the end of the match.

if you told me, even 3 years ago, that we'd make a western conference team shut up shop on the road and that they'd consider themselves lucky to get a point from us.. I'd have thought you were crazy.


those away points add up folks.

ag futbol
03-05-2017, 12:41 PM
^ Yep. If memory serves, as recently as 2015 MLS teams set a record for % of points earned at home.

Last year we had the 2nd best road record in the league at 6-6-5. On road form we were good enough for the shield, issue was we dropped too many points at home - which was that run of games where everyone was injured and the subs played well but couldn't find the net often enough.

Initial B
03-05-2017, 01:44 PM
The result was better than I expected historically. I thought RSL would have scored late after TFC was gassed by altitude.

Cheer up everyone, right now we're tied for first in the East! g:D

Hamilton_Red
03-05-2017, 02:03 PM
Surly you jest, a 2 game goal drought, hmmm!!!

Of course - but I am worried about Giovinco.

I don't think he is physically as fit as he was when he arrived. A good example is yesterday when the pass came through that ended in the penalty. While it was a little over hit - I thought that Gio would get to it easily with a little burst...but he didn't have another gear. If he did he would have easily had the ball before Rimondo got there & scored. The DP trap is keeping us from subbing him or bringing him late in games & his mentality is getting effected. If he doesn't sort this out we are in trouble - in order to win the MLS Cup you need your best player firing on all cylinders.

mistercorporate
03-05-2017, 02:07 PM
In Giovinco's record breaking season, he didn't score for the first two games, if memory serves me right. He had a good holiday, he played well this last game, the goals will come, in avalanches!

Onyx
03-05-2017, 02:29 PM
Too many turnovers giveaways , too many players dribbling into players not either shooting when the opportunity was there or passing before running into traffic and losing possession. Moreover, sometimes even passing when the better option was dribbling and taking the space that was available, overall the decision making was poor by TFC in this game.

we have this discussion every season! MLS is unwatchable for the first month ... plus we've been watching top flight premiership for 4 months in midseason form.
What happens in march has no bearing on the MLS season.

Shakes McQueen
03-05-2017, 03:03 PM
This is some incredible handwringing, considering we are a single game into the new season after getting to the MLS Cup, and we drew a team nil-nil on the road. LOL.

PizzaEatingYeti
03-05-2017, 03:15 PM
Even games where he didn't score, Seba always made a few brilliant jaw-dropping runs, or passes, etc., easily getting by MLS defenders. I haven't seen him doing this since the summer 2016, and yesterday was no exception.

Exactly my thoughts also!

OgtheDim
03-05-2017, 03:51 PM
RSL came out of their home opener saying the best thing about their game was they didn't let us score and their two best players were their keeper and a CD who made numerous mistakes in the first half.

This is a change from even a year ago when people spent the first 3 months thinking our defence would fall apart and were shocked when it didn't.

Our defence was solid for MLS and the attackers were dangerous. Midfield needs to move the ball around faster but that will come.

Clean sheet away point for our only game at altitude - take it.

Auzzy
03-05-2017, 10:58 PM
Of course - but I am worried about Giovinco.

I don't think he is physically as fit as he was when he arrived. A good example is yesterday when the pass came through that ended in the penalty. While it was a little over hit - I thought that Gio would get to it easily with a little burst...but he didn't have another gear. If he did he would have easily had the ball before Rimondo got there & scored. The DP trap is keeping us from subbing him or bringing him late in games & his mentality is getting effected. If he doesn't sort this out we are in trouble - in order to win the MLS Cup you need your best player firing on all cylinders.

I was worried when TFC didn't score on a bunch of chances. I figured they would get really gassed & slow down in the 2nd half, while RSL (accustomed to the altitude) would have much better stamina & take over the game late.

That never happened -- actually the opposite occurred. RSL could hardly mount a decent attack for the last 25 minutes; lots of hopeless balls forward by them; lots of time wasting. And as OtD mentioned, RSL were happy to come out with a point. Meanwhile Giovinco went on some gut-busting runs even late in the 2nd half.

I don't think Giovinco looked out of shape at all. His touch was off a bit; lots of the passing and movement (by many TFC players) was rusty, like the first game of the season may be. But look at the whole play before the penalty. Seba started that play off within our own penalty area. He beat most of the RSL players sprinting over the full length of the field. TFC ended up with numerical advantage at the other end. But that pass by Cooper was over-hit a bit. There was no need for that; little pressure from the RSL defence meant there was plenty of space to put a cleaner pass back to Seba. After that full-field sprint, it was good that Seba earned himself a PK out of a bad pass.

Given the run of play, I think TFC could have done better against a largely toothless RSL squad. I think the 2nd & 3rd TFC subs should have come quicker; RSL were weakening & we could have taken control. (I also wasn't convinced that Delgado was a good choice when he came in.)

But Seba was often swarmed by RSL defenders -- in situations like that we need some goals from Altidore or Vasquez etc. Altidore came close. The passing was often poor (e.g. Bradley), and a couple of other things have to improve. But not bad for the first game of the season, at 1400 m elevation.

paul-collins
03-06-2017, 09:40 AM
I think the wind also played a factor, as we couldn't reliably switch sides on the attack, especially in the 2nd half. You wouldn't put the ball up to get it across, as it would probably go 20 yards back...

The goal kicks were also awful in the second half because they'd hang forever (ours) or sail very long (theirs). No ability to control the ball on receipt. (In the first half we were receiving the ball very well from Clint)

As for being used to elevation, did RSL train in Utah or did they train south like we did? If they haven't spent 6 weeks at altitude, they won't yet be acclimated to the elevation any more than we were.

Carter
03-06-2017, 09:43 AM
The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!

TheGoodson
03-06-2017, 09:49 AM
this was game one of a long season... I'm happy with the point and no goals against.

The team will be fine, the sharpness and fluidity in attacking was missing, but that will take a week or two.

This is a new feeling for most of us. We expect a win every time they step on the pitch, but at the end of the day just think of how far we have come as a squad and enjoy it and hopefully this will be the start of a long and successful campaign with a better ending then last year

burlington Red
03-06-2017, 09:51 AM
decent point on the road. I think most of us would have taken that before the game started, a little disappointed at the end as it was a game we should have won. Not too concerned about Gio or any of the rustiness certain players showed, to be expected at this stage. I'd be looking at taking something from Philly game also, if we do, not a bad start at all to the season

C.Ronaldo
03-06-2017, 10:05 AM
Im just looking for things at this point, but im a little disappointed at Jozy. He really shoulda taken the easy option and shot it low and hard at the post
He then didst look pissed or fired up that Rimando saved. As if, "oh well, hes really good and can read me well" NO, I wanna hear what you should have done to put that gift away.

that should have been 3 points. hands down

James17930
03-06-2017, 10:38 AM
Will say I'm happy with the point. Definitely could have gotten the win.

Seba seemed to have no motivation so hopefully it's just a game 1 thing.
Altidore, a beast so not sure how he gets so man handled.
Not sure why the negativity on Cooper, I thought he fought and held the ball well....a couple times too long, but generally a good game.
Oso will have a hard time getting in the first team with Vazquez getting game ready.
Hagglund, no, just no. Weak link in the back.
Would have liked to see Ricketts over Delgado.

Lots to take away as they prep for next week.

Just my thoughts.


Dom

Those were generally my thoughts too.

BTW, anyone know why, when you quote someone's post, it won't let you type spaces between the words?

Detroit_TFC
03-06-2017, 11:07 AM
decent point on the road. I think most of us would have taken that before the game started, a little disappointed at the end as it was a game we should have won. Not too concerned about Gio or any of the rustiness certain players showed, to be expected at this stage. I'd be looking at taking something from Philly game also, if we do, not a bad start at all to the season

Kinda limited data from the first games all around, other than Minnesota is going to have a difficult start. I would be disappointed if TFC scores less than 2 goals in Philly, though.

eustacchio
03-06-2017, 11:11 AM
Those were generally my thoughts too.

BTW, anyone know why, when you quote someone's post, it won't let you type spaces between the words?

It's a browser-specific bug with Chrome.

Ben - D.O.W.
03-07-2017, 01:16 PM
BTW, anyone know why, when you quote someone's post, it won't let you type spaces between the words?


It's a browser-specific bug with Chrome.

If you go to "Go Advanced" when replying it sorts itself out and you can add spaces again.

Fort York Redcoat
03-07-2017, 01:26 PM
Those were generally my thoughts too.

BTW, anyone know why, when you quote someone's post, it won't let you type spaces between the words?

Type. Press ENTER. Press BACKSPACE. All good. Oh chrome.

eustacchio
03-07-2017, 01:57 PM
Or just CTRL+A, CTRL+X, CTRL+V

Auzzy
03-07-2017, 07:23 PM
I usually just copy & paste the first space from the OP or another post, and then it's all good.

And isn't it actually a bug in this version of the forum software, but it shows up in combination with Chrome?

eustacchio
03-07-2017, 08:52 PM
I usually just copy & paste the first space from the OP or another post, and then it's all good.

And isn't it actually a bug in this version of the forum software, but it shows up in combination with Chrome?

Yeah, it's a browser-specific bug with this version of the vBulletin. It works fine in Firefox (I couldn't tell you about IE/Edge).

James17930
03-08-2017, 04:50 AM
Yeah, it's a browser-specific bug with this version of the vBulletin. It works fine in Firefox (I couldn't tell you about IE/Edge).

Well that's specifically annoying.

Although it didn't do it this time, so maybe it's been fixed?